Eso raps about Star Wars IN THIS SONG! "I'll treat you like a taunton and slash your chest and give new york's homeless a place to rest". I do like this diss but he left himself open with that line.
Yep CZARFACE and Run the Jewels Czarface is more suitable for underground fans like the Kool Keith and MF DOOM RTJ has more mainstream appeal and El-P finally got the respect after being an underground mainstay since 97
I always felt like czarface was a gimmick. It’s sort of like they bit Doom for their main character first of all. Then RTJ was El-P and K Mike, which Eso followed with him and Deck.
@@bvmp5825 Czarface is just a way for a low skilled White boy to pay his way to making his dream rap records. If every Czarface album was just Deck alone it would be dope af. With Esoteric on it i can't even listen to it
7700 Years Later was a better diss, but let's be real Esoteric was bodying Cage, Copy, and Vast before El stepped in. Don't get me wrong their collective disses were catchy, but they weren't as hard hitting as Eso. This could've easily ended the beef
@JamieKusick i think eso's main problem with el-p is that he views himself as an artist, while eso was just a nerdy kid in high school whose dreams of hip hop ended up working out. this creates a duality, because el-p has an enormous amount of talent, but the pretension pisses eso off. in terms of skill level, it's apples and oranges because el-p focuses on dense lyrics, while eso is almost exclusively punchline based. in terms of diss tracks, eso did better simply because that's his thing
El-P all the way, this guy kinda entertaining but overall massive yawn and fail. El-p Is real, this guy really dunno what the fuck he is or where he's going, unless he's happy to style bite his whole career, great production though!
I'm pretty much the complete opposite. I always found EL-Ps rhymes to be completely garbage. Just a bunch of runon babble going nowhere. Him and Aesop. "No, punchlines, just a bunch of punched in lines" pretty much hits the nail on the head
you havent heard much esoteric recently have you? dude is beyond nice. El-P a fuckin beast too. yall need to chill n figure out that there aint rules to this shit.
+JustDoWhatITellYou I burn like an L.A. sunset, colorful, toxic. Snuff stuff, deadly and erotic. Walk like a man not a product, run like a strumpet, talk to the hand sock puppet. Television, all hail grand pixelated god of Fantasy, murder scape and perspective Fuck a sore channel changed digit I sit with a nasty network intravenous plan With a stable diet of my cable pirate Yo, the doctor is in, the doctor is on
El-P's amazing reponse brought me here, and I'm underwhelmed as fuck. "You got Ted Kennedy's voice and flow like Jay-Z after a stroke." HUMILIATION FATALITY
I remember about 9-10 years ago when this dropped (which also contained the diss to Copywrite and Cage in the beginning aside from this El-P/Aesop and Vast Aire part) everyone who knew the underground circuit went nuts. It's crazy because all the dudes mentioned went at Eso first and then he came out with this and got mad props in many circles. Though El-P/Aesop made a bigger impact in underground Hip Hop, this diss earned lots of respect for Eso, who was an underground vet in his own right.
Can anyone explain to me why eso is dissing aesop and the eastern conference in the first place? I'm lost lol I love esoteric and all of AOTP but I also love El-P Aesop and all of them and I'm confused as to how Eso would go about dissing them in the first place.
a lot of people r nerds .. back in the early 2000s that was still an insult i guess but nowadays noone gives af. i mean look at Eso even dudes rapping about comic books and shit in Czarface now lol noones embarrassed about being a "nerd" nowadays. Shit, even in early 2000s u had people like DOOM rappin about cartoons and like El P making tons of sci fi references, Ghostfaces Ironman in late 90s...etc..etc
So embarrassing. "I didn't want to do it!" - cue fuckin nursery rhyme flow going at Aes and El's ankles like a toy dog. This shit would put me to sleep if his voice didn't sound like my alarm clock.
This. Fuck people taking sides on some this or that shit. At the time Jigga and Nas were beefing I was bumping both their shit. Same as with Pac and Big, KRS and Shan and every era.
@JustinS4ne u said what i thought the first time that i heard this song. i think it's el-p's pretentiousness that fucks with eso the most as it does me. this has to be one of the greatest diss song ever right up there with no vaseline. this is a great song which is weird because compared to Aes,Vast and ElP Esoteric is not even close. But with that being said i love this track even though he's dissing 3 of my favorite emcees. it goes to show that even an average mc can make a great track.
Yeah no one can fuck with such hyper intelligent lyrics as 'gaysop rock' and 'co flow to no flow'. Seriously are you guys even listening to what he's saying? It's embarrassing.
He said treat you like a tuantuan and slash ya face. I can explain what that means for any below average comprehension individuals... Learn to at least spell it right
it's two mentalities on hip hop. el p, while an awesome rapper, is a hipster and seeks untold depth within rap esoteric gives no fuck and raps about star wars
Eso kinda bodied EC Recs in all three his disses... hate to say it... still, EC sold units and El-P got a label all the way off the ground. Perspective is blurry on this one.
@dhtjlghks I don't know mane. Cage called out Celph Titled by name .. dissed him in Beverly Crabs. Celph Titled had numerous chances to respond but he never once mentioned Cage's name.
lol huh? i am commenting. if you knew anything, on el-p's diss track response to this song, he flipped the gaysop diss and called esoteric "gaymus" (being that esoteric's name is shamus).
what started this beef? i know its old as hell but still. i like AOTP and notice that most songs that eso is on i feel like changing the track. thats not hate, just the truth. his flow can get annoying
Seriously god forbid you can appreciate both artists *head explodes". The people involved in this so-called "beef" have moved on why can't the internet thugs?
he has a few good lines but i just cant even make it the full 7 minutes. his monotone flow becomes obnoxious. He should actually thank Eastern Conference for at least mentioning him, i wouldnt never known who he was if i hadnt heard Haterama
I dont know, but I love them all. But as far as cuts go, Esoteric really served them and got under the skin. El-P got the upper hand because he had shit to flip on him, but listen to El-Ps cut and this and El's response seems so much tamer.
''I'll treat you like a Taun-Taun, and slash your flesh'' and he's calling El-P a nerd... This was a good diss and had a very funny ending but El-P destroyed him.
A tawn tawn?
It's a space kangaroo, you know? It kept luke warm when he got attacked by a space yeti
lmao
Eso raps about Star Wars IN THIS SONG! "I'll treat you like a taunton and slash your chest and give new york's homeless a place to rest". I do like this diss but he left himself open with that line.
Now esoteric and el-p are in great groups making great music.
Yep CZARFACE and Run the Jewels
Czarface is more suitable for underground fans like the Kool Keith and MF DOOM
RTJ has more mainstream appeal and El-P finally got the respect after being an underground mainstay since 97
Agreed, some of freshest hiphop out lately
except that El is getting his on the strength and Esoteric is paying his way to success
I always felt like czarface was a gimmick. It’s sort of like they bit Doom for their main character first of all. Then RTJ was El-P and K Mike, which Eso followed with him and Deck.
@@bvmp5825 Czarface is just a way for a low skilled White boy to pay his way to making his dream rap records. If every Czarface album was just Deck alone it would be dope af. With Esoteric on it i can't even listen to it
"Who are you kidding, fatso?"
7700 Years Later was a better diss, but let's be real Esoteric was bodying Cage, Copy, and Vast before El stepped in. Don't get me wrong their collective disses were catchy, but they weren't as hard hitting as Eso. This could've easily ended the beef
Did he call Vast Aire the Nutty Professor? Damn 😂 lol He also said “protect your neck Shrek” Damn this was a crazy era
He represented for the dorks of the world who we all know secretly control the world.
@JamieKusick i think eso's main problem with el-p is that he views himself as an artist, while eso was just a nerdy kid in high school whose dreams of hip hop ended up working out.
this creates a duality, because el-p has an enormous amount of talent, but the pretension pisses eso off. in terms of skill level, it's apples and oranges because el-p focuses on dense lyrics, while eso is almost exclusively punchline based. in terms of diss tracks, eso did better simply because that's his thing
Came here from El-P's diss, but the line about Vast Aire's lyrics, 6:15, took me out💀
im still confused how esoteric can call someone ELSE a nerd.
thats priceless.
That ending is classic.
El p actually has vocabulary and perspective. This kid just sounds whiny.
***** lol
Nah straight trash
El-P all the way, this guy kinda entertaining but overall massive yawn and fail. El-p Is real, this guy really dunno what the fuck he is or where he's going, unless he's happy to style bite his whole career, great production though!
I'm pretty much the complete opposite. I always found EL-Ps rhymes to be completely garbage. Just a bunch of runon babble going nowhere. Him and Aesop. "No, punchlines, just a bunch of punched in lines" pretty much hits the nail on the head
JustDoWhatITellYou that joint he did with xsquire was dope. 16 bars of flame.
you havent heard much esoteric recently have you? dude is beyond nice. El-P a fuckin beast too. yall need to chill n figure out that there aint rules to this shit.
JustDoWhatITellYou
You're a really shallow listener, lol
+JustDoWhatITellYou I burn like an L.A. sunset, colorful, toxic. Snuff stuff, deadly and erotic. Walk like a man not a product, run like a strumpet, talk to the hand sock puppet.
Television, all hail grand pixelated god of
Fantasy, murder scape and perspective
Fuck a sore channel changed digit
I sit with a nasty network intravenous plan
With a stable diet of my cable pirate
Yo, the doctor is in, the doctor is on
"Keebler Elf" lmao!!!!
Cant believe this diss came out almost 15 years ago
He really gives it to Vast Aire here.
He bombed on him right !!
Lol really gives it
actually Eso is referring to El not liking to shake hands with fans at shows. It's on Def Jux's Revenge of the Robots documentary.
LMFAO "REVENGE OF THE NERDS!"
El-P's amazing reponse brought me here, and I'm underwhelmed as fuck.
"You got Ted Kennedy's voice and flow like Jay-Z after a stroke."
HUMILIATION
FATALITY
yea ok 💀
@@timsmyth7942 Tim that was nearly a decade ago son you're a little late
My Favorit rapper.......peace out from germany ✌
Czarface vs. Run The Jewels would be a dope album
It’s funny how he’s insulting El for making unique rap while he’s still making that new outdated shit 20 years later and still not out selling El
P.s. Eso if youre reading this, when they played this track at g.a.y. a few weeks ago I nearly screamed with excitement
That Aesop Rock diss was straight corn.
Ranger Kasdorf When was it?
Lan Lupinetti Thanks
You say that you automatically lose in my oppinion ...eso's flow puts me to sleep
@Lan Lupinetti Gay-Sop Rock LMAO!!!!
followed up with calling El-P Winnie the Pooh after the beat switch.
Could've played this off as a Jay Z diss.
lmfao that this is like the only picture of Esoteric you ever see.
7700 Years to Date disassembled this guy.
i found 7700 year to date on one of my millions of crates of cd/records/tapes....im gonna upload it now!!!!
I remember about 9-10 years ago when this dropped (which also contained the diss to Copywrite and Cage in the beginning aside from this El-P/Aesop and Vast Aire part) everyone who knew the underground circuit went nuts. It's crazy because all the dudes mentioned went at Eso first and then he came out with this and got mad props in many circles. Though El-P/Aesop made a bigger impact in underground Hip Hop, this diss earned lots of respect for Eso, who was an underground vet in his own right.
Did Aesop ever respond to this? IM huge AOTP and Aesop fan and ive never payed attention to this beef and was unaware of the details
@@lockshabaz1876 I'm not sure. What he's referring to, it seems like the only person to respond was Copywrite and El-P
Ayo ,that part about the cat got me dying everytime
I'm a big def jux fan but this is fuckin killah
Esoteric did his thing but the skit is so hilarious .. NERRRDDDSSS
Damn this is good, I still got love for them all. I wish they would make up and make a fat collabo.
Can anyone explain to me why eso is dissing aesop and the eastern conference in the first place? I'm lost lol I love esoteric and all of AOTP but I also love El-P Aesop and all of them and I'm confused as to how Eso would go about dissing them in the first place.
Complex Music Eso dad won the lottery and gave him the money to transform himselve to a thug
cause hes wack as fuck. AOTP and demigodz is whack as fuck. Honestly I listen to their corny raps when I want to laugh.
Yo eso sounding like his feelings is real hurt tho
Eso can’t stop calling him a nerd and now look what he’s doing😂what a fool
The guy's been a lifelong nerd
a lot of people r nerds .. back in the early 2000s that was still an insult i guess but nowadays noone gives af. i mean look at Eso even dudes rapping about comic books and shit in Czarface now lol noones embarrassed about being a "nerd" nowadays. Shit, even in early 2000s u had people like DOOM rappin about cartoons and like El P making tons of sci fi references, Ghostfaces Ironman in late 90s...etc..etc
@@0oidiedinatimemachineo024 pretty what I said except not so long winded for no reason
This dude just had a line that said "pissed cuz ur making money…..I stopped there.
you left out the end of the line and probably the most important 'pissed cause you're making money off of nerd rap'
You're right but the line probably would've caused less confusion if he'd worded it 'mad you've got to make your money off nerd rap' tho.
eso is pretty dope when he does track with jedi mind/aotp....he was one of the illest battle rappers back in the day thats how i no him
its more a el-p, def jux, vast arie diss
but c'mon why the hell did eso go against el-p when he originally only had beef with copy and cage
NAAAHNAAH JUST A VERSE
i dont think he relised r.a is on that album.
even trying to diss aesop rock is a falacy. he is on an entirely different level.
aesop rock just rambles and tries to cram too many words into each line. eso shits on him
Chase Santoyo lol
Aesop is genuinely one of the best rappers of ALL TIME. Esoteric is sub-par. There is no contest.
Ah this is great. Love Esoterics flow.
This wasn't an eastern conference diss it was a def jux diss and was ill !!!
ur sleep.
+brendan mell truth. whack as fuck
So embarrassing. "I didn't want to do it!" - cue fuckin nursery rhyme flow going at Aes and El's ankles like a toy dog. This shit would put me to sleep if his voice didn't sound like my alarm clock.
How do people like eso ? Hes so fucking boring and recquires no thought
Everytime I hear this fool spit, I imagine Kermit the Frog's rhyming...
This battle was pointless, but I'd rather listen to 7L beats than new El-P shit, any day
Surge Álvez because you are weak too.
@@mike7676ful if he's weak what are you, since you're below him. All RTJ beats sound to similar in my opinion, I'll rock Czarface over them non-stop.
brooklynmets below who? Nigga I’m the shit. Me and my momma say so. You must be weak too.
-COLOMBIANCHANNEL-TM how does making a song for a movie make someone a clown? Another weak one.
yea i got 7700 year to date.....El destroyed this toy......"your jams seven min long,well mines gonna be eight DING!!!"
Underrated diss
That’s the beat that Vast Aire is rapping over?
Now Esoteric has put an album down with Inspectah Deck and El P fucking with Justin Bieber.
white on white rhyme lol
Yourself, yourself, yourself. Thats all I heard.
beat is ill, eso rhymes very well
he stomps on EL actually. El-p is a nerd tho, he gave him WAY TO MUCH fodder to destroy him on his diss.
You know you fucked up when the consensus of the comment section on both diss tracks is that you got bodied lmao.
I wonder how his 16th minute regret is doing all these years after
ESO is dope been dope for a minute and he did justice on this track. He held his own but ELP 7700 was also legit. I fucks wit em both really tho.
Yep, anyone that's hating on Eso needs to check out Czarface,
This. Fuck people taking sides on some this or that shit. At the time Jigga and Nas were beefing I was bumping both their shit. Same as with Pac and Big, KRS and Shan and every era.
@JustinS4ne u said what i thought the first time that i heard this song. i think it's el-p's pretentiousness that fucks with eso the most as it does me. this has to be one of the greatest diss song ever right up there with no vaseline.
this is a great song which is weird because compared to Aes,Vast and ElP Esoteric is not even close. But with that being said i love this track even though he's dissing 3 of my favorite emcees. it goes to show that even an average mc can make a great track.
Do you still think esoteric is an average emcee? 12 years is a long time, I'm genuinely curious
esoteric sound corny. EL-P, cage, and copywrite all slaughtered him.
Nah-nah
Esoterics flow is just so much better than El-P
who produced this track? beat is nice.
probably 7L
Yeah no one can fuck with such hyper intelligent lyrics as 'gaysop rock' and 'co flow to no flow'. Seriously are you guys even listening to what he's saying? It's embarrassing.
i'd never heard esoteric before, but he got em all. been listening to el-p since co flow, i liked all they're styles better back in the day
Esoteric or Demigodz can't fuck with Weathermen. Tame One and Aesop Rock alone would tear them fools down.
The skit at the end was better than the actual lyrics lol
I love both sides of this beef but you gotta admit, Eso fucking murders em!
Cage murders Esoterbitch!
He said treat you like a tuantuan and slash ya face. I can explain what that means for any below average comprehension individuals... Learn to at least spell it right
Please.
he sounds like elmer fudd and looks like him too
It's 7700 year to date, not "years" lol everyone fucks the title to that song up. It refers to 7l and eso sales.
it's two mentalities on hip hop.
el p, while an awesome rapper, is a hipster and seeks untold depth within rap
esoteric gives no fuck and raps about star wars
Honestly, Eso's not a diss rapper. He should have stayed the course with his shit.
It don't matter how long you've been doing anything........you could rhyme since 1982 and still suck ass like this wanna be. Skills are what matter.
Eso kinda bodied EC Recs in all three his disses... hate to say it... still, EC sold units and El-P got a label all the way off the ground. Perspective is blurry on this one.
LOL @ esoteric having the nerve to call someone ELSE a nerd, rrrrrrrreeeeeaaaaally?
esoteric = wheres waldo
He's linda trippin
Esoteric was dope in the 90's, but he didn't change with the times. His rhymes are good on the surface but have little depth.
@dhtjlghks I don't know mane. Cage called out Celph Titled by name .. dissed him in Beverly Crabs. Celph Titled had numerous chances to respond but he never once mentioned Cage's name.
lol huh?
i am commenting. if you knew anything, on el-p's diss track response to this song, he flipped the gaysop diss and called esoteric "gaymus" (being that esoteric's name is shamus).
what started this beef? i know its old as hell but still.
i like AOTP and notice that most songs that eso is on i feel like changing the track. thats not hate, just the truth. his flow can get annoying
I like both dudes but i think El-P took it overall
Seriously god forbid you can appreciate both artists *head explodes".
The people involved in this so-called "beef" have moved on why can't the internet thugs?
man fuck esoteric the eastern conference is bomb
I remember when this diss came out, it's a good diss, but let's be realistic... El-P murdered em! 7700 to date was beasty all over esoteric.
Eso still the wackist 😂 elp DESTROYED him in his response. Also what does this have to do with eastern conference?
he has a few good lines but i just cant even make it the full 7 minutes. his monotone flow becomes obnoxious. He should actually thank Eastern Conference for at least mentioning him, i wouldnt never known who he was if i hadnt heard Haterama
I dont know, but I love them all. But as far as cuts go, Esoteric really served them and got under the skin. El-P got the upper hand because he had shit to flip on him, but listen to El-Ps cut and this and El's response seems so much tamer.
@HorseChoker00 well the beat is dead wrong by biggie so i guess its just a cage freestyle
''I'll treat you like a Taun-Taun, and slash your flesh'' and he's calling El-P a nerd... This was a good diss and had a very funny ending but El-P destroyed him.
Do you really think this was the best picture of him to use?
ur rite he shud be in prada bb
"spit it slow so I can understand you yo"?
He just called himself stupid.
Only just heard this.. and wow. Weathermen for life.
he sounds like harry mack in this
gaysop rock...did you think long and hard about that one?
lmao the only good thing about this was the beat lmaooo
It should say Def Jux crew.
i guess you just have a differnt opinion on this one, i think EL-P one, and thats down that you like el-p most kids on beef videos jump sides and shit
Love Czarface & RTJ but this is just a classic beef
what is this beef about any ways