Sharon and I loved to go to Disneyland. I would stay on the train as long as I could. We went there the year San Francisco had that big earthquake; because of that; we could just walk on any ride without waiting in line. We loved it so much that we bought a timeshare on the Disney bus route. Sharon and I are older now and have mobility issues, so we will never be back. It is always fun to see it at Halloween. Thanks, Dale and Karyn, for allowing me to see it again at least through your video lens.
Do you remember watching Disneyland every Monday night as they showed the buildings of Disneyland? Even mom and dad were always there with us. This was of course and times were a lot simpler. Thanks again guys.
Yup. Three channels. ABC owned 1/3 of the park so they were promoting it. It was really a brilliant partnership. ABC put up all of the money $7 million, in exchange for 1/3 ownership, and Disney did all of the creative work. And then with ABC promoting it week after week on the Disney show, everybody wanted to see Disneyland. It was packed on opening day and this remain packed ever since.
I thought the Disney show was on NBC. When I went to fact check myself I found out something different than I remembered. The Disney show was all over, ABC, NBC & CBS. Not on PBS though or (thankfully) fox.
Saying the Mark Twain was built at the park is only partially true. The hull was constructed at Todd Shipyards in Los Angeles CA and the decks were constructed on sound stages at the Disney Studio in Burbank. All the pieces were then moved to Disneyland and assembled like a giant riverboat puzzle. Pretty neat.
I'm afraid that the engineer still didn't explain the "brake" very well to you. There is no brake that actually grips the track. They use the mooring line that the cast member hands to the other workers on the dock. As the boat comes in, the engineer will slow the boat by reversing the paddle until the boat stops. The mooring line is handed over and fixed. Then the engineer runs the paddle slow ahead to tighten the boat against the mooring line, preventing the boat from doing any backward or forward movement. I've spoken to many of the engineers over the years and learned all of this. But when I was a Cast Member at Disneyland, I do remember one incident, the Mark Twain was leaving the dock, they blow the whistle to alert the smaller boats on the river to basically "Get out of the way!" Well one of the pilots of the tom sawyer rafts must not have paid attention because they suddenly drove the raft across the river to the other side. The pilot in the Mark Twain Wheelhouse saw this (and I suspect the engineer did too), they went full reverse. The only time I've ever seen them do a full reverse. That wheel spun like crazy, kicking water up into the air as they tried desperately to stop the boat before it got too close. Though the raft had already reached the other side of the river, they didn't want to risk floating past it until it was moored because the larger Mark Twain makes other smaller boats get sucked-in toward it. It was a pretty interesting thing to see, no one got hurt. But it's an example of how the wheel is the only way to slow or stop the vessel even in an emergency like that.
I believe there was an accident 20 years ago where the bollard on the dock was loose, and the Mark Twain pulled on it too hard, and it came loose. The spring action of the mooring line snapped back on a park guest, and injured them.
Why would anyone give you all crap! You guys are so entertaining. Because of your trip to Sacramento I made a stop at the California railway museum near closing time. It was great. Yet another great episode.
That was enjoyable to watch and interesting too. I had an idea how the ride was being controlled. Raised around work boat you learn fast about wind drift and currents so I figured there was a track it followed... now we all know.
I love the Mark Twain and the american locomotives that Walt had constructed. I first went to Dland two weeks after it opened. My grandpa loved spoiling me. It cost about $8.00 per person to get in, rides required a ticket from a book which cost more $. I didn't realize that the Twain was guided by a track until I was much older. Your channel is always great fun!
Thanks for watching! Yeah I had the opportunity to go to Disneyland in 1958. Fortunately there are parts that haven’t changed much. It’s really fun to know that part of the park is original.
I’ve seen this track many times over the years while the river was drained and it always amazes me how thin it is to guide such huge boats. Of course the river was drained (and then just the back half drained) during the construction of Galaxy’s Edge a few years back when they had to re-route both the river and the train tracks - Overall they did a wonderful job and actually made that area look a lot better than it did. (And it was the first time that the Disneyland railroad ever veered to the left!)
Yeah it’s amazing how fine that guideway is. However keep in mind that the boats are actually floating boats. So all the guideway has to do is steer the boat. It steers from the front of the boat so the back half is free to move around a bit. When the Columbia got stuck on the guideway it was twisting perhaps 45° in both directions! Somehow they were able to pull both boats tight up against the dock. And I’m assuming that there’s some kind of additional guides at the dock to make sure that they can’t twist away from the dog. And then they do run the paddle wheel and the propellers on the Columbia in reverse while it’s at the dock to hold it tight against whatever guideway is underneath it.
@@ToyManTelevision I always thought the boats are connected to the guide at the front in back, the reason being is when you watch the Mark Twain go around the bend the back seems to follow the guide line perfectly almost as if you took a pencil and followed a curved line, the point and the eraser both followed that line.
@@FunAtDisney could be… but the Columbia was really swinging left and right when it got stuck. But boy they pull the boats tight up to the dock… so not sure how that works.
@@ToyManTelevision I believe I have been on the steamboat in the park in Paris some years ago back in 2012 I believe. your steam engine videos are very interesting to watch
@@ToyManTelevision so does the person in the wheelhouse send orders down to the engine room when they are arriving back at the dock? my Mum thought they controlled it all with computers and the like. I believe she also thought that the steam engine was fake too
Excellent stuff, as always. If you guys ever make it down to New Orleans, do a video on the Natchez. This boat is actually newer than the Mark Twain, but its engine came off a boat built in the ‘20s! They let you walk around in the engine room while it’s running, and it’s an amazing experience despite just going down the river a few miles. It was well worth it when my dad and I did it right after Katrina.
Thanks!!! And hi! Did you watch the other Disney stuff? About 12 shows. For an amazing story check out Athol Grahm racing with death. And 600 foot fireball! Ode to Al. All good shows. Oh and Saltair. Like three Saltair shows. All good. The Saltair railway is the oldest show here. 1980. Ish. Black and white 16mm film.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORT AND TIME I APPRECIATE YOU BOTH AND YOUR VIDEOS VERY INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE YOU BOTH ARE TRUE CRAFTSMAN I ENJOY YOUR VIDEOS AND THE CHANEL TOYMAN IS AWESOME GOOD. JIM KAMMERER OF PHILADELPHIA PA 👍 👌
Very, very interesting! One thing I wonder about - the physical connection between ship and rail. It must be somewhat flexible to deal with minor changes in water level since the ships are floating.
Yes. I think so. Two paddle river boats in the beginning. Long ride took you outside the park. Anyway one broke down to the point it was unsalvageable. So the steam engine was removed and used in Tokyo.
Hey I got the CN tugboat by the coal barge dock and running in the pool ! If ya put a pool in by the far yard end ya dont have ta cut the grass under it... Thanks for the laugh...
I don't know if anybody else remembers this, on Tom Sawyers island, 50 years ago, you could buy the best burger at the fort. It was a small burger but tasted the best, with a cup of Welches grape juice on crushed Ice.Less than a dollar for both.
Ever since I was a kid in early 1960’s, I suspected the riverboat was actually steam powered, and driven by the paddle wheel, it just all seemed to fit. Does anyone know how the Columbia is powered?
He did mention that the Columbia is also powered by diesel, but i suspect it would have an internal combustion engine rather than external, since there are no obvious exhaust stacks or steam exhausting anywhere.
As it happens I just found out the Diesel engine has been converted to natural gas. Two props. And even though it on a track they can twist it slightly by using the two props in different directions.
It’s been biodiesel but has been converted to natural gas. Simple throttle system. Has forward and reverse but reverse is generally only used for braking. However on this trip we did get to see it back up as it jammed on the track.
I knew about the track...I knew the paddle wheel was real steam... I didn't know about a brake. I thought they tied it off and powered in to the rope to hold it. But I guessed not.
Thanks a lot that answered many questions Dave
Thanks for watching!!!
Sharon and I loved to go to Disneyland. I would stay on the train as long as I could. We went there the year San Francisco had that big earthquake; because of that; we could just walk on any ride without waiting in line. We loved it so much that we bought a timeshare on the Disney bus route. Sharon and I are older now and have mobility issues, so we will never be back. It is always fun to see it at Halloween. Thanks, Dale and Karyn, for allowing me to see it again at least through your video lens.
We managed to get into the haunted mansion. Dressed for the nightmare before Christmas. Amazing. Next week!
very impressive shot of the boats steam engine
Thanks!!
Do you remember watching Disneyland every Monday night as they showed the buildings of Disneyland? Even mom and dad were always there with us. This was of course and times were a lot simpler. Thanks again guys.
Yup. Three channels. ABC owned 1/3 of the park so they were promoting it. It was really a brilliant partnership. ABC put up all of the money $7 million, in exchange for 1/3 ownership, and Disney did all of the creative work. And then with ABC promoting it week after week on the Disney show, everybody wanted to see Disneyland. It was packed on opening day and this remain packed ever since.
I thought the Disney show was on NBC. When I went to fact check myself I found out something different than I remembered. The Disney show was all over, ABC, NBC & CBS. Not on PBS though or (thankfully) fox.
You kids are having just too much fun😊👍
Thanks again
"Fowler's Harbor" also serves as a dry dock where maintenance is performed on both ships.
Saying the Mark Twain was built at the park is only partially true. The hull was constructed at Todd Shipyards in Los Angeles CA and the decks were constructed on sound stages at the Disney Studio in Burbank. All the pieces were then moved to Disneyland and assembled like a giant riverboat puzzle. Pretty neat.
Yup. Check out the other video. Walking with Walt #2. Deeper history. Link near the end of this video.
I'm afraid that the engineer still didn't explain the "brake" very well to you. There is no brake that actually grips the track. They use the mooring line that the cast member hands to the other workers on the dock. As the boat comes in, the engineer will slow the boat by reversing the paddle until the boat stops. The mooring line is handed over and fixed. Then the engineer runs the paddle slow ahead to tighten the boat against the mooring line, preventing the boat from doing any backward or forward movement. I've spoken to many of the engineers over the years and learned all of this. But when I was a Cast Member at Disneyland, I do remember one incident, the Mark Twain was leaving the dock, they blow the whistle to alert the smaller boats on the river to basically "Get out of the way!" Well one of the pilots of the tom sawyer rafts must not have paid attention because they suddenly drove the raft across the river to the other side. The pilot in the Mark Twain Wheelhouse saw this (and I suspect the engineer did too), they went full reverse. The only time I've ever seen them do a full reverse. That wheel spun like crazy, kicking water up into the air as they tried desperately to stop the boat before it got too close. Though the raft had already reached the other side of the river, they didn't want to risk floating past it until it was moored because the larger Mark Twain makes other smaller boats get sucked-in toward it. It was a pretty interesting thing to see, no one got hurt. But it's an example of how the wheel is the only way to slow or stop the vessel even in an emergency like that.
I believe there was an accident 20 years ago where the bollard on the dock was loose, and the Mark Twain pulled on it too hard, and it came loose. The spring action of the mooring line snapped back on a park guest, and injured them.
@@softwerksaolno that was Columbia. A rope snapped and struck a guest.
It's a great ride. A little short now .But still steaming . Have a great week
Why would anyone give you all crap! You guys are so entertaining. Because of your trip to Sacramento I made a stop at the California railway museum near closing time. It was great. Yet another great episode.
That was enjoyable to watch and interesting too. I had an idea how the ride was being controlled.
Raised around work boat you learn fast about wind drift and currents so I figured there was a track it followed... now we all know.
Yup. The other boats on the river are actually free floating steering boats.
Thanks 🙏
I love the Mark Twain and the american locomotives that Walt had constructed. I first went to Dland two weeks after it opened. My grandpa loved spoiling me. It cost about $8.00 per person to get in, rides required a ticket from a book which cost more $. I didn't realize that the Twain was guided by a track until I was much older. Your channel is always great fun!
Thanks for watching! Yeah I had the opportunity to go to Disneyland in 1958. Fortunately there are parts that haven’t changed much. It’s really fun to know that part of the park is original.
Another awesome episode! Had me hooked all the way to the end.
Thanks for another great video!
Hi again and as always THANKS
Well now you know what the ship is going on! (I'll admit I stole that line elsewhere)
Thx again
Thanks again. And again
I’ve seen this track many times over the years while the river was drained and it always amazes me how thin it is to guide such huge boats. Of course the river was drained (and then just the back half drained) during the construction of Galaxy’s Edge a few years back when they had to re-route both the river and the train tracks - Overall they did a wonderful job and actually made that area look a lot better than it did. (And it was the first time that the Disneyland railroad ever veered to the left!)
Yeah it’s amazing how fine that guideway is. However keep in mind that the boats are actually floating boats. So all the guideway has to do is steer the boat. It steers from the front of the boat so the back half is free to move around a bit. When the Columbia got stuck on the guideway it was twisting perhaps 45° in both directions! Somehow they were able to pull both boats tight up against the dock. And I’m assuming that there’s some kind of additional guides at the dock to make sure that they can’t twist away from the dog. And then they do run the paddle wheel and the propellers on the Columbia in reverse while it’s at the dock to hold it tight against whatever guideway is underneath it.
@@ToyManTelevision I always thought the boats are connected to the guide at the front in back, the reason being is when you watch the Mark Twain go around the bend the back seems to follow the guide line perfectly almost as if you took a pencil and followed a curved line, the point and the eraser both followed that line.
@@FunAtDisney could be… but the Columbia was really swinging left and right when it got stuck. But boy they pull the boats tight up to the dock… so not sure how that works.
@@ToyManTelevision I believe I have been on the steamboat in the park in Paris some years ago back in 2012 I believe.
your steam engine videos are very interesting to watch
@@ToyManTelevision so does the person in the wheelhouse send orders down to the engine room when they are arriving back at the dock? my Mum thought they controlled it all with computers and the like. I believe she also thought that the steam engine was fake too
Excellent stuff, as always. If you guys ever make it down to New Orleans, do a video on the Natchez. This boat is actually newer than the Mark Twain, but its engine came off a boat built in the ‘20s! They let you walk around in the engine room while it’s running, and it’s an amazing experience despite just going down the river a few miles. It was well worth it when my dad and I did it right after Katrina.
Always have wanted to do that. And other river boats. And the trolley. Just NOT Mardi Gras
Love your content!!! Thank you so much for sharing!
Thanks!!!
I love your channel
Hi!! Thanks again as always!!! Hope you and Cody are well!
@@ToyManTelevision Thank you so much !
Thanks for sharing those details.
Thanks again for watching
Great stuff ! Looks like you were there when the park was not so crowded, lucky you.
Well at some points. First night it went totally nuts. Could hardly even get out. Most lines were 2 hours. Next day.. no one..
I just discovered your channel today what a fun site😅
Thanks!!! And hi! Did you watch the other Disney stuff? About 12 shows. For an amazing story check out Athol Grahm racing with death. And 600 foot fireball! Ode to Al. All good shows. Oh and Saltair. Like three Saltair shows. All good. The Saltair railway is the oldest show here. 1980. Ish. Black and white 16mm film.
Love it... Once again..
Thanks again
THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORT AND TIME I APPRECIATE YOU BOTH AND YOUR VIDEOS VERY INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE YOU BOTH ARE TRUE CRAFTSMAN I ENJOY YOUR VIDEOS AND THE CHANEL TOYMAN IS AWESOME GOOD. JIM KAMMERER OF PHILADELPHIA PA 👍 👌
Thanks Jim!!
Thanks
Thanks for watching!!
Very, very interesting! One thing I wonder about - the physical connection between ship and rail. It must be somewhat flexible to deal with minor changes in water level since the ships are floating.
Yup. Just a guideway.
Thank you, that was very interesting. Do they operate the same way in Florida?
Yes. I think so. Two paddle river boats in the beginning. Long ride took you outside the park. Anyway one broke down to the point it was unsalvageable. So the steam engine was removed and used in Tokyo.
Awesome video!!!! Where is your walking Walt video??? Enjoy ur videos!
The first film up on the channel page is the first one in the walking with Walt Series ruclips.net/video/e_djTVwAW2U/видео.html
A ship is moored not parked. I have 48k nautical miles, 8 typhoons and 1 hurricane. as nautical experience. A very good video.
do you want a cookie?
Thank you for your service.
And the train is operated not driven. All these little details.
Maybe take a trip to New Orleans for an ultimate river boat excursion.
Great idea with the tracks , smooth sailing all the way... So where are you going to in corporate a paddle wheeler on your layout? ...
Don’t tempt me…. RC boat. Lake at the park… 1/12 scale. Oh it’s tempting.
Hey I got the CN tugboat by the coal barge dock and running in the pool ! If ya put a pool in by the far yard end ya dont have ta cut the grass under it... Thanks for the laugh...
I don't know if anybody else remembers this, on Tom Sawyers island, 50 years ago, you could buy the best burger at the fort. It was a small burger but tasted the best, with a cup of Welches grape juice on crushed Ice.Less than a dollar for both.
I wonder what the mechanism looks like on the bottom of the boats that grabs/latches on to the rail/track.
To my knowledge there is no brake on Mark Twain. It’s attached by a rope and it keeps it taught while at dock
What I'd like to know is how the rafts to Tom Sawyer's Island cross over the track for Mark Twain as I believe they're on tracks too.
Yup. The rafts are free floating. Once one collided with the mark Twain. Oops.
Just curious although they move on a track on a "closed" course do the vessels have to comply with all Coast Guard requirements?
To the coast guard, no. Theme park attraction safety is overseen by a national theme park governing organization.
@@AlextheHistorian Thanks muchly
Ever since I was a kid in early 1960’s, I suspected the riverboat was actually steam powered, and driven by the paddle wheel, it just all seemed to fit. Does anyone know how the Columbia is powered?
He did mention that the Columbia is also powered by diesel, but i suspect it would have an internal combustion engine rather than external, since there are no obvious exhaust stacks or steam exhausting anywhere.
Columbia is a combusion engine driving two propellers
As it happens I just found out the Diesel engine has been converted to natural gas. Two props. And even though it on a track they can twist it slightly by using the two props in different directions.
I hope you rode in the wheel house 😁👍
Sadly no. Hard to get up there these days.
@@ToyManTelevision 😔
does the boat actually float by it self or does it need the track for other than steering the boat
It floats. And is powered by the steam engine. All the track does is guide it.
@@ToyManTelevision that's cool
heyy i rode that boat in june 2022
Fun ride
Fun video thanks for sharing. 🙂Thomas over at The Model Hobbyist
Hi. And thanks!
So your so smart how is the Columbia operated???
Bio diesel.
It’s been biodiesel but has been converted to natural gas. Simple throttle system. Has forward and reverse but reverse is generally only used for braking. However on this trip we did get to see it back up as it jammed on the track.
I knew about the track...I knew the paddle wheel was real steam... I didn't know about a brake. I thought they tied it off and powered in to the rope to hold it. But I guessed not.
Actually yes. They do that. Not sure on the brake.
Des the Mark Twain Riverboat have a Calliope?
Sadly no. Just ain’t right. A Riverboat with no caleope. Sad.
It WAS one of my favorites at Disneyland. Never another nickel to the woke Disney corp
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