Did Tony Hawk STEAL the 900? Both Sides of the Story
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- A lot of people have heard the accusations about Tony Hawk that have been floating around for a few years. Did he get Tas Pappas banned from the X Games so he could do the 900 before him? I take a look at the documentary "All This Mayhem" and I researched some of the claims. Let's get to the bottom of it once and for all.
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It's not like it's a creative trick in any way. It's just "nice 180, wonder if I can do a 360" and so on. How can you "steal" something as simple as "I'm gonna spin, but MORE"
exactly!! its not like he landed it first and tony claims that he was first or something like that neither.. he's just pissed that he hasn't landed it earlier! I would be too but come on.. be stoked for skating not for fame!
Exactly! Vert was so over the top/ridiculous by then, they were literally doing anything they could to liven it up. Airs just kept getting bigger and bigger because there wasn't anything left to innovate, they'd already done it all.
I hope ya try something hard that y’all love and somebody else comes and takes it from you , ban you from trying itand takes credit 🤷🏾♂️
RitualREDRUM
No dummy
I understand what you are trying to say but the trick is really hard
Did every skater ever steal the kickflip from Rodney Mullen? 🤔
This logic is fucking stupid jesus christ anyone that thinks this is relevant is stupid. Doing a kickflip is a lot different to the first person landing a big trick for the first time in competitive skateboarding, get real...
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Just because it's a bigger trick used in competition, doesn't mean it was stolen.
Landing a trick simply relies on skill and technique, and Tony clearly excelled in both.
Yes let's avoid the fact pappas was denied even attempts funny that all that happened 🤔🤔
Actually, the kick flip was a trick from the 70's. I think ty page invented it. The OLLIE version, in which you don't hook the flipping foot over the edge was the much later version. So too the 'shuvit', originally called the 'ty hop' because, well, ty page invented it.
aleksi sk8 great point
Tony Hawk stole my lunch money
Paddy O'Lantern TONY HAWK TOOK MY JERB!
Paddy O'Lantern damn
@@d4c467 were you missin tree fiddy
It was about this time that I noticed Tony Hawk was about eight stories tall and was a crustacean from the Mesozoic era.
Are you saying the guy on drugs had the story wrong?!
Someone’s a sour pussy ^^
I'd beleieve a junkie over Tony Hawk anyday.
RitualREDRUM how come?
MadManDan because a junkie you can tell when they are lying. Tony is a professional liar. He wouldn't of made it anywhere in skateboarding if it weren't for his dad at the beginning.
RitualREDRUM you're so frickin insane. Tonys dad didn't ride his board for him. If you're that good at skating and keep yourself in check., you know not running through airports with thousands of dollars of coke in your shoes, or skateboards ,then you are going to make it. I bet you can't even pump a mini ramp while you talking shit about a legend and one of the best skaters to ever drop in a vert ramp. Tony made millions and you're a butthurt hater. And guess what. He don't give a shit what you think. You and I are nobody's.
How the hell can you "steal" a generic spin trick? Spinning more is a simple idea. Anybody could think of it. What matters more is who managed to pull it off.
Yeah and you don't even have to "think" of it. It's already there, you just gotta get to it.
Spoken like a clueless moron who cannot understand context
You don't think Hawk had anything to do with Tas being left out of the best trick contest? Hawk knew Tas was close to landing it.
Tony Hawk stole my Bagel Bites.
Tas's story is kinda tragic. I feel like if his brother didn't go down that bad path and commit suicide, they both would've moved on and been considered some of the greatest ever. Sad how things happen sometimes. RIP to Ben and hopefully Tas is doing well these days
Taz completed the 900 and it was way smoother and cleaner than hawks ever was
So they had entire events based around TAS landing the 900, he couldn't do it, Tony did it, TAS did it 15 years later... No, he didn't steal it.
Tas did it on a mega ramp.. it's a lot harder to do it on vert
@@kostasrubtsov6633it is also much harder if you're 15 years older
@@gremsa 100% agree with you.... except Tony Hawk did the 900 again more than 15 years later... about 2 years ago
If Tas had landed the 900 like a few days or a week later in '99 i would somehow see his point. But he needed like 15 years(!) to land his “stolen” trick on a damn mega ramp! It’s
so ridiculous!
he was in jail for that time could only skate flat occasionally so 15 year break then come back to 900, im lucky to kickflip after a week of not skating
ADownerKitty I was about to say the dude went to jail, if he had the opportunity in the moment, he lands it!
Plus you burn bridges doing drugs. So explains all the bad blood when trying to back his story up. Especially with his brother killing his gf. Probably didn't want his image anymore.
He was only in jail full time from 2008-2011. After that he got released on weekends to skate.
ADownerKitty And How is that Tony Hawk’s fault? Tony Hawk didn’t put Tas Pappas in jail. Tas Pappas shouldn’t have tried to smuggle cocaine. Tas shouldn’t be blaming Tony Hawk; he has only himself and the drugs he used to blame.
I find it interesting Tony Hawk “stole” the trick from a guy who has still never done a 900 on a half pipe. Just saying.
@@GTFCEO When you don’t use proper punctuation, you’re really not one to be talking. Also a big difference between autocorrect fucking up and not knowing how to spell.
@@JakeKoenig yes. X games 2003. Either way. Still counts with a hand drag.
If you land it first, it's yours. That's the way she goes boys.
T Sterling yeah but that not the case, Papas just wanted a chance to try in that comp and they not invited him
Idonno that big stair gab boulala tried then jaws stuck. Boulala still got daps right
Another example of a junkie inspiring some jock to make something big happen
It's the same principle in music. Some drugged out dude like curt Cobain starts a movement then dies off then all the little pussy pop stars with childstar haircuts swarm in like vultures. Or in this case like a hawk.
@@gorillabraudcast474 lmao you sound like a idiot, tony was famous and rich before the 900. Pappas was a nobody
He wasn't in the Xgames Best Trick because he spent the entire season trying to land 900s at every best trick contest but never landed one so he didn't qualify to compete at Xgames! He was just shit-stirring 'cos he's bitter that he threw his career away to drugs
For real
Yep
Big yup!
The fact that Tas didn't land it for another 15 years and even then, on a Mega ramp, surely puts this to bed? Even if he had been in the best trick contest it seems unlikely he would have made it.
Well he lost his father, brother and was also in prison for 6 years. I was stoked for him when he finally landed it, He was trying it alot in San Diego. It would have been awesome seeing him and Hawk going shot for shot for it at the X Games,,,,
The only real "controversy" would be if Tony and/or ESPN purposely kept Tas out of the best trick contest.
The idea that the trick was "stolen" is stupid. If that was the case, then every street skater on the planet stole from Mullen.
cberbes true!
tas is salty, he didn't even land a 900 ever on a normal sized vert ramp
Agree 100
@@bl1ndr there is still the question of espn and x games keeping tas out of the best trick 99. i mean cmon he was one of the best at the time and not letting him participate because of bad image and tony being a buisness man with a good image is not that far away. They just needed a poster boy to make money
he was ranked 8th at the time and they only wanted the top 5 @@Erik-xd1tf
“We’re doing pretty well in the 90’s” - buddy they were number 1 & 2..
Tas had a ramp and a camera. He should have landed it first if he could.
It would not be in comp so it would not have matterd
josef steiner not true.
@@josefsteiner9163 Skating isn't the same as other sports' records. Doesn't matter if it's in a comp or not, if a skater landed a trick first they landed it. It just happens to be that Tony landed it during that event (which btw was past his time limit anyway).
@@BigFatCock0 yeah it was past his time limit but everybody extended his time limit and let him continue skating so technically it was still within his time limit because everyone with him continue his time
Did Hawk STEAL the goo?
Zanzibane There's a mystery waiting to be solved.
I think the people that side with Tas Pappas on this don't understand that you can't really make or break a career based on a single trick. It might get you 15 minutes of fame, but real success comes being able to constantly push the boundaries of what can be done on a skateboard. When Tony Hawk landed the first 900, he had been skating professionally for over a decade and by that time he racked up many new tricks, contest wins, video parts, sponsors, and even had a video game in development. Any trick is kind of a drop in the bucket at that point. Sure, Pappas wasn't the first person to land the 900, but he also wasn't the second. Instead he got addicted to meth and went to prison.
Riley Kadidlo What gets you famous is circle jerking with ESPN. Hawk hss shown us that.
+Emil Andersson Tony Hawk was famous in 1986 when i was 9. so no you're wrong. Riley is completely correct. TH is famous regardless of the 900.
Riley Kadidlo The Pappas bros invented a bunch of flip tricks in the vert ramp while doing it with style. check out there parts. really sick. hawk was the first to land the 900. Its really too bad the Pappas bros went down the wrong path like many people before them. Im sure we would have seen more great things from them if they didnt.
hawk is consistent never pushed boundaries. most boring commercial skater ever
You obviously did not skate in the 80's
Here’s the reality. Tas has done a shit-tonne of pretty hard drugs, drugs known to ruin people’s lives and minds. Drugs known to distort the reality within the minds of people who have taken them.
I followed Tas extensively during the 90’s and watched he and Ben become the best vert skaters in the world. I did this because I’m Australian and the local magazines covered them as they became better and better.
I would’ve liked nothing more than Tas making the 900 before Tony (even though im a big TH) fan.
But Tas’ claims that Tony ‘stole’ or modified situations to Tas’ detriment are nothing more than the delusions of a heavy drug user. Reformed or not, you never come back from that rabbit hole once you’ve dug it.
Sorry Tas. But you’ve been spiralling.
Aside from that; the film was one of the most powerful I’ve seen. The tragic trajectory the brothers took is absurdly upsetting in so many ways.
RIP Ben.
You don't know what you're talking about stfu
I'm looking at this from the view of a non-skater. And the way I see it is how would Tony Hawk steal the 900 when all the 900 is is a lot of spinning? If you think Tony Hawk stole the 900 then everyone stole anything above a 360 spin when someone discovered you could spin while doing a trick.
Robert Rossignol yeah no you can't steal a generic spin
The thing is it that it was tried a ton of times and really hyped as the next milestone in skating. It wasn't just one more spin.
@@bradmurray1736 Regardless you can't steal it. In fact just like you said since everyone was looking forward to it you can't steal it right?
Because some drug addict is angry that his life didn’t pan out more like Tony’s. Tony is super rich, super famous. Everyone knows who is, even people who have never touched a skateboard.
Not even sure how he can claim he stole something he himself hadn’t even accomplished yet .
in his warped mind he probably truly believes Tony “stole” the trick.
I think that Tas is, unfortunately, like a lot of people that get messed up on drugs, they can't accept personal responsibility for their own actions. It is also similar to a star high school football player that never accomplishes anything after high school, they get hung up on their one successful time in life and can't move on.
Tony Hawk was successful before he landed the 900, the video game was in production before then, for instance, but obviously the mainstream coverage made him much more noticeable. And jealously is a thing.
I for one don't believe that anyone at ESPN was knowledgeable enough to even know athletes' names at the time. And just went by contest results for placing. But if there is any truth to it, maybe they didn't want to promote an addict on such a big stage?
Gary Thomas
like Al Bundy and his 4 TDs in one game.
tas was on the show in the normal comp before the big vert ramp that i think tas won. And tonys wife plays a very big part in ESPN, and tony knew tas was going to do the 900 on the big vert,
Gary Thomas at that time everybody knows thats Papas was trying 900.
You got no idea champ!!
@@Free-j3t ruclips.net/video/vHlU1N3-Roc/видео.html
I believe Tony, I think he's shown over and over again he's a solid honest all around good guy
This is an interesting argument. I know dudes who were am for fury that were in adds and Tony never paid them
How old was the baby when the good guy went off with another bird?
@@gorillabraudcast474 ams don’t get paid
Maybe Xgames and Espn needed a poster boy and not a „rockstar“
The story sounds like when multiple people go for a world record in something. When one person gets it, everyone involved in said record feels or could feel like it was taken from them.
The evidence is plain and clear. Tos is mad he didn't land it first. And that Tony landed it after already having a great run.. That is literally how it went.
Should have been who would have landed the 900 first in the xgames
Having him not in best trick purposely to take out competition is considered a sellout to me
Tony hawk is too chill and busy to sabotage drug addicted skaters.
bullshit you it seems perfectly logical to steal a trick off a drug addict, why because no one will believe the drug addict and tony saw a good opportunity to get away with it, besides tony hawk gets no air what so ever when he does it and does a full revolution by sliding and spinning down the ramp like a sess slide!
ArminLucas Bombardier how can u steal a trick?
Tbh tas papas is way better then tony ever was and if may b Ben didn’t screw up tony woulda stay third in the world 🥱
@@vlogsbyjenn303 Silly.
The Pappas wipe the floor of hawk, two crazy Aussies...
Thats how it goes my bros
I don't understand why people have to try and take away from Tony Hawk. I feel like he's been really good about giving credit where credit is due and giving back to the community and bringing the spotlight to the whole sport as well as other skateboarders. Really, he seems like one of the best things that ever happened to skateboarding. Why does anyone feel the need to discredit him?
He has even spoke about how he was always pushing for people to land the 900 so it would be over. He had been trying it for so long it became the go to thing to yell at him at demos and shit he never cared enough about being the first to land it.
Tony and Andy had so much class and skill (not to take away from ALLL the OG's) that although ppl can be very different off camera, I never felt they intentionally lied and they genuinely cared for the sport. So much that if it was something to diminish said sport they weren't with it. I'm apparently stealing walking while talking from whoever did that first. its laughable, but I do kno how Tas felt. imagine wanting a 8 lb newborn and no matter what it was always under. then a guy you kno, who skills his way to what he wants, gets a 8 lb baby 1st. you'd be crushed but that's not your baby bro...
Lol, nice analogy XD
he's a nerd and a jock at the same time. that's why
I'll tell you one good reason why people are a bit ehhhh poo poo, it's because didn't his dad have something to do with the actual early events or a judge or something? I can't fully remember now what his dad was doing but it was something along those lines. I like Tony Hawk and I like skateboarding also it's a good sport, but don't you kinda agree that it's a tad ironic that Tas Papas was planning on going for the 900 and then on that very day out of the many Tony pulls it outta his back pocket to try for it? Tony Hawk must have known he would be or could be in trouble had Tas pulled the 900 off and I honestly believe that Tony knew and beat him to it to get rid of the opposition. Tas was dangerous on vert ramp he just had obstacles in his way unfortunately. Apart from that they are both great skateboarders and both deserve a mention of course maybe one more than the other but still that's what I believe....that TH beat TP to the punch on that one, it was the only trick that really threatened him.
the whole 900 controversy is the most infuriating shit ever. Practically every post i've seen relating to Tony since has misinformed idiots screaming how they know the truth because they saw one biased Netflix documentary. Just 5 minuites of research on the subject completly debunks any claims that Tas made. Good videos dude.
Barnaby Jordan i know the truth vecause i was there. I seent it! Tonys daddy always saves the day at competitions. If you go back and watch clearly Tony wasn't the better skater in so many of them and it was so stiff, with no style. Just ugly
@@theflyletmepetit watch the video fool
No one said he stole it. The controversy is if tony prevented Tas from competing in the best trick contest. People don’t seem to get this
TAS never claimed in his doco that Hawk had anything to do
With his exclusion from the comp.
He said he had been in all trick comps for the entire year then suddenly gets told he’s not in it.
He was keen to go head to head with Hawk on the day under pressure.
As Tas says at the beginning of the documentary: 'There's 3 sides to every story... my side, your side and the truth.'
I take a lot from that
The secret smiles... Then it meant pappas is lying coz his side aint the truth... Obviously.
Don't look too deeply into it bro just watched the video in front of You right here
The whole movie is infested with lies, they talk as if they were Hawk's #1 rivals and when they'd normally barely make the top 10. It's nothing but a bunch of nonsense.
Exactly 100%
Weren't Tas & Ben ranked #1 & #2 in the world before the wheels fell off?
@@tikkabrno They were great skaters but this was a time of Hawk, Burnquist, Bucky, McDonald, McKay, Danny MOTHERFUCKING Way... Yes, Tas was awesome to watch but those guys didn't mess around in competition! Just look at Hawk's competition record, it's crazy!!!
So I realise this is a fight over who performed spinning to a revolution of 900 whilst airborne on a skateboard but who invented spinning? That's the real story....
Tas did, after smoking half a gram of tek
💫🤣💨
I watched the documentary on RUclips.
At first I was like “holy shit!”
But then the skeptic on my shoulder started telling me to investigate the claims.
I did and found out most of the claims made in the video were bunk.
Bullshit. Tony Hawk never claimed to have invented the 900. He just did it.
It's almost as sad as his brothers story. Man spends all his energy trying one trick, but his obsession with it, and his increasingly unstable lifestyle blackballed him from events to attempt it. Bitter he creates a conspiracy in his head about how it was stolen from him. Even though people had been trying ot for years. As far as I see it the only way to "steal" a trick is A.) You see some no name guy do it for the first time, throw it in a video, and never credit them. B.) You see someone's video part wear they nail it, and then do it and realease it first. B isn't even all the way stealing since it could proven who did it first. You're just greasey for paoching the initial hype. "You don't steal tricks you land em" and what not.
I love how Danny Way's 900 attempts were always somewhat vertical.
His looked awesome. Sucks he was never able to stick it.
Bruh as a skateboarder, you cant steal tricks... saying that tony hawk stole the 900 is like saying that every skateboarder stole the ollie like wtf... skateboarders take eachothers stuff and add their own stuff then release it back to the community, which as a result brings the skateboarding community to a new level...
You can't just land a 900 on command so it's not just like he stole it.
Hey Rad Rat, do you know anything about the sack tap air, they're on the Tony Hawk video games, but Bob Burnquist does one to fakie in Menikmati, do you think he was the first one to do one and do people think it's a circus trick?
tony hawk stole christmas 🎄
I feel like he "cheated" by using the megaramp to do the 900 lol. It's obviously gonna give you more speed than a normal half pipe, which is where Tony did it.
5:22 So … were they selected by a selection committee or base on their “vert ranking” (whatever that was)? If there is such a ranking and the top 5 were selected, why would you need a committee? Does not sound convincing to me …
What ever happened to the trick "Rocket Air"? That trick has literally disappeared
A few people do it here and there, Alex Sorgente does them and I think I've seen Tony Hawk do them, but I think people see that as a circus trick
Zane Hubay True true but I don't get why tho smh I remember when Tony Hawks underground came out and that was a huge trick for like 2 years and next thing you know it's out of style or something I dunno I guess people just like the fancy flip tricks these days
I remember Danny Way backflipped one. It was mindblowing.
I mean, I kinda understand the idea of there being a particular technique that one guy came up with to make it possible, and maybe jacking that technique. But until you land it, it's just theoretical. It'd be like if some dude in the 70s thought "if I flick my foot off the side of the board, it would flip over" but never landed it, then claimed Rodney Mullen stole the kickflip from him.
Whether or not Tony did something sketchy is impossible to say for sure. However, the fact remains that he actually landed it. Even if Tony banned Tas from the event somehow, he still had to do the difficult part of actually landing the trick. There's no way Tony could've 100% known he was going to land it at the contest. Same as Tas, even if he had skated, there's no way he can definitively say he was going to land it then and there.
Why did I read that as “ Did Hawk steal the goo?”
dyslexia
Dude... You can't "steal" something like the 900, it is a spin move! Nothing original! If that was the case, then whoever did the first 360 stole it from the first guy that did a 180 right?! And then someone does a 540... And so on...
I recall reading a 1990 issue of Transworld or Thrasher covering the Muenster contest, with people claiming Danny Way landed a 900 in practice.
I've heard of that too but it sounds unlikely. Way was still chasing the 900 along with Sluggo, Zattoni, Hawk and Pappas in the nineties. Had he landed it back then he would have been the first to call out Hawk in '99 or every year since. Way's humble but not *that* humble
I'm sad for Tas but Tony did not steal anything and he's not responsible of Tas issues.
Tony is not his nemesis.
Tas Pappas, never trust a junkie, Hawk nailed it first.......
I'm pretty sure Tas got kicked out of events because as the video showed he was a drug user and didn't have his life together and Tony Hawk being the guy he is and never gone that way in his life didn't want someone like that at his events. If I was running an event and the guy showed up wasted or under the influence of something half the time I wouldn't want him there either especially if you're trying to make it a family friendly event. I think Tas is just butt hurt over not being the one to land it and like anyone who's a user they always find some excuse for why they use in the first place. History doesn't lie and we can't change it just because we want to. Funny how 20 years later damn I'm getting old lol, and we are still talking about it. Thanks and have a great day.
Mate he never made an excuse for using watch the documentary it's about how he and his brother got into heavy drugs because of the party life they were living from there fame and how it got ben killed and in jail for several years not about how he got the 900 stolen from him and in this video you can see that he wished that he didn't add that to the documentary because That wasn't the point of it
I get the feeling that the documentary people had it in for Tony hawk
Short answer: No.
Long answer: No, but with more accusations and drug use.
TLDR; No.
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"Busky Lasek" lol
He's the first Aussie to land it. Probably the first to overcome the hard life that set its barb into him and go on to land it at that too. How many drug addicts can land a 900? No matter how you overcome them, you're always an addict. You could snap tomorrow. In the documentary, you saw him right there as Tony walked off the halfpipe after he landed it at X-games 99. I could infer and see how people didn't wanna put any spotlight on Tas, both before and after Ben's title went from famous to infamous, but would rather put it on Hawk, who fair and square was a veteran who paid his inherent dues, but, it's just so gnarly, almost like Ernest Shackleton and his gang, how they, with nothing, came from Australia on a shoe string, armed with nothing but skill and the sheer fact that they both grew up together, and both became top in the world. But still, I'm not calling Hawk a sell-out. There are sell-outs that don't give other skaters a chance, but, that doesn't mean Hawk is one. I think Tas killed Hawk at the Triple Crown in '96 with that broken rib run. He was the better man that day. Resentfully I felt him just have to be given the win on that one. It was too epic and self-evident. He practically did a kickflip sactap indy I thought he was gonna fumble but landed deft as hell. As far as the 900 goes, it would have been cool had he gotten a chance to go pit for pat on it, but I guess they looked at him as getting in the way, or, didn't have enough of the red tape stats to qualify, that and he lost half of his duo at that point. It's almost more impressive that they went to the top together, rather than one guy. You can't deny how these two Nowhere Men came to the top chomping hard by their teeth. You know, Jereme Rogers may have pissed some people off, but, that's no reason to ostracize the guy and call him names. Antwuan, Boulala, Andy Roy. There are tons of skaters who have fuck-up reputations and report cards, and a lot of people are just mean to them about it. Maybe they want better for them and are just frustrated, but, mercy should never be forgotten, and a grudge shouldn't go on for so long. Yeah, you can't really forget when someone you love puts a cigarette out on your chest, but, you should never stop treating them how you always wanted to if you ever thought in your life you really loved them, and if you do retaliate and forget love to them, it proves you're an in denial hurt person who don't wanna really break the cycle of evil actions undefined. A hydraulic jump regurgitating nowhere, surely to drown in ideologies. If you won't hear the truth, nobody can tell you. Love from afar if you have to. Be weary, but don't be hateful. To me, skateboarding is a church. Skaters should look after each other. There is talent. There is persona. Unfortunately, the pride of the human man is within itself the endless decay of relationships. People shouldn't be thrown away and meant to feel it with a scoff. It's easier for them to turn to what kills them if they know they have nothing to turn to in a human being. Make it harder for them to look at themselves as a pincushion, and call a person by their name. Also, I know in lieu of the tragedy within all this story, that a contest win seems vain to talk about, but, the reason it is talked about, is because these dudes literally came out of nowhere and pushed the champs aside and became them themselves, as brothers. People almost didn't like how they were "rootless." It was a big deal that they did that. It's not a matter of he said she said, but, it is what it is. It was quite noteworthy that they came in and ranked and cleaned house like they did. Had demons not got the best of them, they would have really revolutionized things, alongside other skaters. People who slap around the fan favorites do deserve hype. If you did a trick 10 years ago, you still get your hype. Ask Boulala on the 25 Lyon. He didn't even land it. He's awesome just for trying it. Can't even skate anymore, but deserves his props till he's an old man for when he could and did like a banshee.
5:30 "Busky Lasek"
Tomny Hawk, Rob Burnquist, Busky Lasek...
Yes he stole spinning in a circle.
Ah yes, Tas, an utter Legend. Just a shame that his life fell off a cliff so early and of course, that Ben died, its just tragic. Good to see Tas is doing better now.
Off topic and I've been out of the scene for so long, but what's up with older companies like Blind, Alien Workshop(Rob bought them), 101, Plan B....all those hot 90's companies? Vid on them?
tony hawk is tony hawk but those pappa's brothers lifted the whole game from a spin with maybe a verial to full blown flip tricks on vert
Just sounds like bitterness that he got beaten to the punch.
Nice video man. Keep up the great work! Have you thought about playing the THPS Beta's and maybe comparing the development through to the finished product? There is a lot of great content to be had there. Thanks for your hard work mate. Looking forward to more!
In the video Tas was taking the Mick when he said " Didn't Tony Hawk's wife work at ESPN? Didn't he like own ESPN??" You can tell he was just taking the piss he wasn't saying they were facts. And yeah it was totally weird how he was in EVERY trick contest except that one...
You mean how he failed to place at e every prior best trick contest, so he wasn't chosen for the big one because he didn't perform well. There, I fixed it for you. It's called the truth.
At the end of the day the Pappas brothers were the best!
Giorgio Zattoni landed a 900 after only a mounth or so...Tas Pappas makes it feel like he was the only competior Tony Hawk ever had, wich is bullshit.
In all those years Tony Hawk was the only guy who reminded in a interview that Giorgio Zattoni was working on the 900 too.
Giorgio Zattoni was an amazing Vert Raider but you wont see him in JEff Grosso's loveletters or hear anyone who remember about him regarding the 900.
That's the real shame.
dude every time i see your videos in my recommended i gotta watch
"History goes to the Victor".
Tony landed it on camera. End.
lol pappas is a clown. How can you say someone stole a trick from you when you didn't even land it until over 15 years later?? I know Sandro Dias landed it a few years after hawk did
Also no one stole the 900 from anyone. It's just physics.
well in theory, lets say you're trying the trick.. you're rotating, over 720, no flip or varial.. even if u bail any skater can see what you're going for. and , a 900 on a skateboard is not just physics. a thrown rock doing a 900 is just physics. for a person to do it , there is a certain way + its very difficult. otherwise anyone could do it. all of skating has progressed by seeing what others are doing and pushing it 1 step farther. thats why McGill kinda kept the mctwist under wraps at 1st.
Daniel Simon alright douchebag that's not what I meant
IKR?
How can anyone think that an extra spin(or flip) is anything remotely close to inventing a new trick or "thinking outside the box" at all? That's the same as me saying, "so-n-so stole my idea for a quadruple kick-flip"...LOL!
you read it here first: the 1440. i came up with that its my trick, i dont care that snowboarding has been there for years, i dont even skate anymore but the 1440 is mine and dont you dare steal it from me
Wow vice gets called out again on not telling the truth... Who would have thought
I think there definitely could have been a lot of ESPN bias towards tony hawk, pushing him to land the 900 as opposed to another. When Tony jumped into the water at the Xgames years before they said anyone who did that would get disqualified, but he won the event, so I think there was so much dick riding that it might have been out of tony hawk's control, but it doesn't mean that he wasn't robbed.
James Mayer he jumped into the water after the time on his run was over.
I grew up in LA in the 80's when skating took off. The culture of skating at the time was very much "lets do rad tricks". Skaters were constantly challenging each other and learning from each others.
"Busky" Lasek
A trick that is just a continuation of an already established trick (that birdman established) cannot be stolen.
update: Tas had every opportunity to land it B4 that event...so Tony gets my trphy award...
How can you steal rotation? You think nobody but you thought about spinning more?
your content just keeps getting better! keep it up
One correction is that Tas never said that his wife had anything to do with it. The comment was that at the 96 x games and so on it seemed like ESPN catered to tony, which they did, he was the biggest skater in the world. It would be stupid to not feature Eddie Van Halen at a guitar competition if he were to enter. Then Tas made the off comment, “I think he ended up marrying some chick from ESPN.” The context was not to imply that his wife had anything to do with rigging the event. He places that solely on tony and espn. You can’t steal a 900, but after watching tony hawk’s latest documentary, I wouldn’t be surprised if he did some shitty stuff to other skaters that he didn’t like. Tony’s not a saint.
I think the controversy was not the trick steal, but Pappas being rejected from the big trick contest, despite being #1 in the world. Much like Way, the Pappas wouldn't play ball with corporate America, which is partly why they never received half the commercial success or opportunities through ESPN .
I think Tony was likely studying other skaters- but I don’t think he was pulling strings behind the scenes to give himself an advantage. If your the first to pull it- you are the first, there is no taking that away from Tony.
ESPN/X-Games and the stake board industry basically kept Tas from the public eye because of his criminal record. They had already decided Tony was going to be skateboarding’s spokes person and model. Tas was amazingly good, could do most the same tricks as Tony but 3 or 4 feet higher. Tony fit the model for what they wanted and a lot of the vert contests in the mid 90’s put on by ESPN were fixed so that Tony would win for the marketing aspects. Tony did land the 900 first however. I think once Tony did it, it took alot of Tas’s motivation away as he was trying hard to be the first. Tony is a goon, Duane Peters had the right attitude towards him lol.
@@Willem-The-Strange I agree 100%. I always thought they kinda gave it to him. He didn’t land it clean at all. To many people and companies had money invested in Tony. They had to put him on a pedestal and act like he was so much better of a skater than everyone else to exploit him to the masses. I’ve heard numerous stories of Tony being a huge baby and whining at more than a few events.
Tas could have pulled the 900 at any time in someone's backyard, filmed on VHS, and it would have counted as the first 900 ever landed. Thus making this all a moot point. But he couldn't do it before, nor for many, many years after. And when he finally did land it, it was on a mega ramp which gave him tons more hang time to pull the rotation. So what makes him think he would have pulled it on that particular night at Xgames? The hype from the crowd? Maybe, but let's be real. I don't think he's even pissed that Hawk did it first. He's pissed that he didn't garner the fame and money that he may have had he landed it under the same circumstances that Hawk did at the Xgames. Tough shit. Pure greed. Karma's a bitch.
On top of that Pappas was actually in the same competition in 2000 and 2001 and didn't land it then either. And that's just two competitions from that era I happened to find on youtube. There's probably more. Funny how the documentary left those out...
You can’t steal a 900 lol, you can land it first even if someone else tried it before you
oh ok. so a youtuber can make their own claims as to what happened even though they don't have actual proof for either side. are you really saying anything new?
Saying hawk stealing is idiotic. rodney mullen invent many tricks and skaters around the world follows him, does that means they are stealing? hell no! skate tricks are not copyright exclusive. If he "steal" 900 by landing it, using the same logic only one person is allowed to do 360 because other skaters will be consider stealing
no, it was Tony, the Illumanati with an assist from Dick Cheney that stole the 900....there is no way Tony could have done this alone!
great vid! you're like the skateboarding apologist now! Those stories have pretty sensational claims, people do stuff like that to get attention and their name out there.
Even the bails of Tas are more stylish than the 9's from the Birdy.
No real evidence means not guilty. Also you have to look at the whole picture. Tony Hawk seems like the most stand-up dude in the skateboarding. He loves the sport and supports it any way he can. It seems incredibly out of character. Sounds like Tas was hyperfocus and making up things, maybe drugs, maybe physic episode.
Also the documentary was made by VICE. So there's that. Sorry but I take Tony's word over any other. The dude's a legend.
It could have been a good documentary without the flamebait title. The conclusion is clear, it could be simply mentioned directly.
Thing is the guy claims that tony landing the 900 is what catapulted his career into mega icon. But as rad rat had already said in previous videos, the game development was already in production before the best trick contest. The fact he landed it was just icing on the cake but did not affect his legacy In gaming at all.
Dude is just hella jealous, tony didn’t even land it in the contest time frame. His friends just said keep trying you got this, his land happened after the contest.
If tony hawk stole the 900 from Tas does that mean that Tom Schwar Stole the 1080 from Shaun White?
YES, It is ridiculous to even entertain this idea. Skateboarding = No rules. Even making up your own rules is fair game...get it? Love ya Raddy.
I do believe Tas was a more capable skateboarder at the time but Tony was to an advantage with his position, BUT! Tony Hawk was a clean cut face for nee age of the culture and what a lot of people would look to for a role model Pappas was a wreck!
No, Pappas was better at flipping the board into airs than Hawk, but Hawks repertoaire, flow and variety exeeded Pappas by far.
Some people could, on a very good day, match Hawk in a short contest run, but ...
Hawk started trying 900's in the end of the 80's, I remember reading an interview then, where he brought it up.
The first person really going for it was probably Danny Way, though, in 1990.
'I didn't know about it til Tony hawk spoke about it'
HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT YOUR SAYING IS TRUE?? YOU HAVENT PROVEN ANYTHING IN THIS VIDEO
Imagine someone landing the quadruple backflip for the first time and someone else claiming "he stole it from me"
ɢɪꜰᴛ "I tried it first, it is mine" so fucking stupid
I never bought into the whole Hawk/Pappas thing. But just because Tas wasnt having the best results that year, he should have been in best trick. Tas said himself there are 3 sides to every story, My side, your side and the truth 🤷♂