It's not like it's a creative trick in any way. It's just "nice 180, wonder if I can do a 360" and so on. How can you "steal" something as simple as "I'm gonna spin, but MORE"
exactly!! its not like he landed it first and tony claims that he was first or something like that neither.. he's just pissed that he hasn't landed it earlier! I would be too but come on.. be stoked for skating not for fame!
Exactly! Vert was so over the top/ridiculous by then, they were literally doing anything they could to liven it up. Airs just kept getting bigger and bigger because there wasn't anything left to innovate, they'd already done it all.
This logic is fucking stupid jesus christ anyone that thinks this is relevant is stupid. Doing a kickflip is a lot different to the first person landing a big trick for the first time in competitive skateboarding, get real...
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Just because it's a bigger trick used in competition, doesn't mean it was stolen. Landing a trick simply relies on skill and technique, and Tony clearly excelled in both.
Actually, the kick flip was a trick from the 70's. I think ty page invented it. The OLLIE version, in which you don't hook the flipping foot over the edge was the much later version. So too the 'shuvit', originally called the 'ty hop' because, well, ty page invented it.
Tas's story is kinda tragic. I feel like if his brother didn't go down that bad path and commit suicide, they both would've moved on and been considered some of the greatest ever. Sad how things happen sometimes. RIP to Ben and hopefully Tas is doing well these days
How the hell can you "steal" a generic spin trick? Spinning more is a simple idea. Anybody could think of it. What matters more is who managed to pull it off.
@@GTFCEO When you don’t use proper punctuation, you’re really not one to be talking. Also a big difference between autocorrect fucking up and not knowing how to spell.
If Tas had landed the 900 like a few days or a week later in '99 i would somehow see his point. But he needed like 15 years(!) to land his “stolen” trick on a damn mega ramp! It’s so ridiculous!
he was in jail for that time could only skate flat occasionally so 15 year break then come back to 900, im lucky to kickflip after a week of not skating
Plus you burn bridges doing drugs. So explains all the bad blood when trying to back his story up. Especially with his brother killing his gf. Probably didn't want his image anymore.
ADownerKitty And How is that Tony Hawk’s fault? Tony Hawk didn’t put Tas Pappas in jail. Tas Pappas shouldn’t have tried to smuggle cocaine. Tas shouldn’t be blaming Tony Hawk; he has only himself and the drugs he used to blame.
MadManDan because a junkie you can tell when they are lying. Tony is a professional liar. He wouldn't of made it anywhere in skateboarding if it weren't for his dad at the beginning.
RitualREDRUM you're so frickin insane. Tonys dad didn't ride his board for him. If you're that good at skating and keep yourself in check., you know not running through airports with thousands of dollars of coke in your shoes, or skateboards ,then you are going to make it. I bet you can't even pump a mini ramp while you talking shit about a legend and one of the best skaters to ever drop in a vert ramp. Tony made millions and you're a butthurt hater. And guess what. He don't give a shit what you think. You and I are nobody's.
The only real "controversy" would be if Tony and/or ESPN purposely kept Tas out of the best trick contest. The idea that the trick was "stolen" is stupid. If that was the case, then every street skater on the planet stole from Mullen.
@@bl1ndr there is still the question of espn and x games keeping tas out of the best trick 99. i mean cmon he was one of the best at the time and not letting him participate because of bad image and tony being a buisness man with a good image is not that far away. They just needed a poster boy to make money
It's the same principle in music. Some drugged out dude like curt Cobain starts a movement then dies off then all the little pussy pop stars with childstar haircuts swarm in like vultures. Or in this case like a hawk.
@@josefsteiner9163 Skating isn't the same as other sports' records. Doesn't matter if it's in a comp or not, if a skater landed a trick first they landed it. It just happens to be that Tony landed it during that event (which btw was past his time limit anyway).
@@BigFatCock0 yeah it was past his time limit but everybody extended his time limit and let him continue skating so technically it was still within his time limit because everyone with him continue his time
He wasn't in the Xgames Best Trick because he spent the entire season trying to land 900s at every best trick contest but never landed one so he didn't qualify to compete at Xgames! He was just shit-stirring 'cos he's bitter that he threw his career away to drugs
The fact that Tas didn't land it for another 15 years and even then, on a Mega ramp, surely puts this to bed? Even if he had been in the best trick contest it seems unlikely he would have made it.
Well he lost his father, brother and was also in prison for 6 years. I was stoked for him when he finally landed it, He was trying it alot in San Diego. It would have been awesome seeing him and Hawk going shot for shot for it at the X Games,,,,
I think the people that side with Tas Pappas on this don't understand that you can't really make or break a career based on a single trick. It might get you 15 minutes of fame, but real success comes being able to constantly push the boundaries of what can be done on a skateboard. When Tony Hawk landed the first 900, he had been skating professionally for over a decade and by that time he racked up many new tricks, contest wins, video parts, sponsors, and even had a video game in development. Any trick is kind of a drop in the bucket at that point. Sure, Pappas wasn't the first person to land the 900, but he also wasn't the second. Instead he got addicted to meth and went to prison.
Riley Kadidlo The Pappas bros invented a bunch of flip tricks in the vert ramp while doing it with style. check out there parts. really sick. hawk was the first to land the 900. Its really too bad the Pappas bros went down the wrong path like many people before them. Im sure we would have seen more great things from them if they didnt.
I think that Tas is, unfortunately, like a lot of people that get messed up on drugs, they can't accept personal responsibility for their own actions. It is also similar to a star high school football player that never accomplishes anything after high school, they get hung up on their one successful time in life and can't move on. Tony Hawk was successful before he landed the 900, the video game was in production before then, for instance, but obviously the mainstream coverage made him much more noticeable. And jealously is a thing. I for one don't believe that anyone at ESPN was knowledgeable enough to even know athletes' names at the time. And just went by contest results for placing. But if there is any truth to it, maybe they didn't want to promote an addict on such a big stage?
tas was on the show in the normal comp before the big vert ramp that i think tas won. And tonys wife plays a very big part in ESPN, and tony knew tas was going to do the 900 on the big vert,
Here’s the reality. Tas has done a shit-tonne of pretty hard drugs, drugs known to ruin people’s lives and minds. Drugs known to distort the reality within the minds of people who have taken them. I followed Tas extensively during the 90’s and watched he and Ben become the best vert skaters in the world. I did this because I’m Australian and the local magazines covered them as they became better and better. I would’ve liked nothing more than Tas making the 900 before Tony (even though im a big TH) fan. But Tas’ claims that Tony ‘stole’ or modified situations to Tas’ detriment are nothing more than the delusions of a heavy drug user. Reformed or not, you never come back from that rabbit hole once you’ve dug it. Sorry Tas. But you’ve been spiralling. Aside from that; the film was one of the most powerful I’ve seen. The tragic trajectory the brothers took is absurdly upsetting in so many ways. RIP Ben.
I don't understand why people have to try and take away from Tony Hawk. I feel like he's been really good about giving credit where credit is due and giving back to the community and bringing the spotlight to the whole sport as well as other skateboarders. Really, he seems like one of the best things that ever happened to skateboarding. Why does anyone feel the need to discredit him?
He has even spoke about how he was always pushing for people to land the 900 so it would be over. He had been trying it for so long it became the go to thing to yell at him at demos and shit he never cared enough about being the first to land it.
Tony and Andy had so much class and skill (not to take away from ALLL the OG's) that although ppl can be very different off camera, I never felt they intentionally lied and they genuinely cared for the sport. So much that if it was something to diminish said sport they weren't with it. I'm apparently stealing walking while talking from whoever did that first. its laughable, but I do kno how Tas felt. imagine wanting a 8 lb newborn and no matter what it was always under. then a guy you kno, who skills his way to what he wants, gets a 8 lb baby 1st. you'd be crushed but that's not your baby bro...
I'll tell you one good reason why people are a bit ehhhh poo poo, it's because didn't his dad have something to do with the actual early events or a judge or something? I can't fully remember now what his dad was doing but it was something along those lines. I like Tony Hawk and I like skateboarding also it's a good sport, but don't you kinda agree that it's a tad ironic that Tas Papas was planning on going for the 900 and then on that very day out of the many Tony pulls it outta his back pocket to try for it? Tony Hawk must have known he would be or could be in trouble had Tas pulled the 900 off and I honestly believe that Tony knew and beat him to it to get rid of the opposition. Tas was dangerous on vert ramp he just had obstacles in his way unfortunately. Apart from that they are both great skateboarders and both deserve a mention of course maybe one more than the other but still that's what I believe....that TH beat TP to the punch on that one, it was the only trick that really threatened him.
I'm looking at this from the view of a non-skater. And the way I see it is how would Tony Hawk steal the 900 when all the 900 is is a lot of spinning? If you think Tony Hawk stole the 900 then everyone stole anything above a 360 spin when someone discovered you could spin while doing a trick.
Because some drug addict is angry that his life didn’t pan out more like Tony’s. Tony is super rich, super famous. Everyone knows who is, even people who have never touched a skateboard. Not even sure how he can claim he stole something he himself hadn’t even accomplished yet . in his warped mind he probably truly believes Tony “stole” the trick.
The story sounds like when multiple people go for a world record in something. When one person gets it, everyone involved in said record feels or could feel like it was taken from them.
bullshit you it seems perfectly logical to steal a trick off a drug addict, why because no one will believe the drug addict and tony saw a good opportunity to get away with it, besides tony hawk gets no air what so ever when he does it and does a full revolution by sliding and spinning down the ramp like a sess slide!
the whole 900 controversy is the most infuriating shit ever. Practically every post i've seen relating to Tony since has misinformed idiots screaming how they know the truth because they saw one biased Netflix documentary. Just 5 minuites of research on the subject completly debunks any claims that Tas made. Good videos dude.
Barnaby Jordan i know the truth vecause i was there. I seent it! Tonys daddy always saves the day at competitions. If you go back and watch clearly Tony wasn't the better skater in so many of them and it was so stiff, with no style. Just ugly
So I realise this is a fight over who performed spinning to a revolution of 900 whilst airborne on a skateboard but who invented spinning? That's the real story....
The evidence is plain and clear. Tos is mad he didn't land it first. And that Tony landed it after already having a great run.. That is literally how it went.
I'm pretty sure Tas got kicked out of events because as the video showed he was a drug user and didn't have his life together and Tony Hawk being the guy he is and never gone that way in his life didn't want someone like that at his events. If I was running an event and the guy showed up wasted or under the influence of something half the time I wouldn't want him there either especially if you're trying to make it a family friendly event. I think Tas is just butt hurt over not being the one to land it and like anyone who's a user they always find some excuse for why they use in the first place. History doesn't lie and we can't change it just because we want to. Funny how 20 years later damn I'm getting old lol, and we are still talking about it. Thanks and have a great day.
Mate he never made an excuse for using watch the documentary it's about how he and his brother got into heavy drugs because of the party life they were living from there fame and how it got ben killed and in jail for several years not about how he got the 900 stolen from him and in this video you can see that he wished that he didn't add that to the documentary because That wasn't the point of it
I watched the documentary on RUclips. At first I was like “holy shit!” But then the skeptic on my shoulder started telling me to investigate the claims. I did and found out most of the claims made in the video were bunk.
Bruh as a skateboarder, you cant steal tricks... saying that tony hawk stole the 900 is like saying that every skateboarder stole the ollie like wtf... skateboarders take eachothers stuff and add their own stuff then release it back to the community, which as a result brings the skateboarding community to a new level...
It's almost as sad as his brothers story. Man spends all his energy trying one trick, but his obsession with it, and his increasingly unstable lifestyle blackballed him from events to attempt it. Bitter he creates a conspiracy in his head about how it was stolen from him. Even though people had been trying ot for years. As far as I see it the only way to "steal" a trick is A.) You see some no name guy do it for the first time, throw it in a video, and never credit them. B.) You see someone's video part wear they nail it, and then do it and realease it first. B isn't even all the way stealing since it could proven who did it first. You're just greasey for paoching the initial hype. "You don't steal tricks you land em" and what not.
I think there definitely could have been a lot of ESPN bias towards tony hawk, pushing him to land the 900 as opposed to another. When Tony jumped into the water at the Xgames years before they said anyone who did that would get disqualified, but he won the event, so I think there was so much dick riding that it might have been out of tony hawk's control, but it doesn't mean that he wasn't robbed.
The whole movie is infested with lies, they talk as if they were Hawk's #1 rivals and when they'd normally barely make the top 10. It's nothing but a bunch of nonsense.
@@tikkabrno They were great skaters but this was a time of Hawk, Burnquist, Bucky, McDonald, McKay, Danny MOTHERFUCKING Way... Yes, Tas was awesome to watch but those guys didn't mess around in competition! Just look at Hawk's competition record, it's crazy!!!
Nah dude, the Pappas brothers were right in the mix and were just getting better, Tas was beating hawk on vert often, their flip tricks above coping rivaled the technicality of hawk, and they pushed Tony to his limits at times. If Tas landed the 900 first, skateboard history might be very different today..... But if you think Ben and Tas weren't any chop, you don't have a clue dude, they took the world by storm, they were crazy technical, stylish af, they went hard, and at a time where the vert scene in Australia was close to non existent, and they still rose to the top. Show a bit of respect dude! 🖖
Ah yes, Tas, an utter Legend. Just a shame that his life fell off a cliff so early and of course, that Ben died, its just tragic. Good to see Tas is doing better now.
I mean, I kinda understand the idea of there being a particular technique that one guy came up with to make it possible, and maybe jacking that technique. But until you land it, it's just theoretical. It'd be like if some dude in the 70s thought "if I flick my foot off the side of the board, it would flip over" but never landed it, then claimed Rodney Mullen stole the kickflip from him.
Hey Rad Rat, do you know anything about the sack tap air, they're on the Tony Hawk video games, but Bob Burnquist does one to fakie in Menikmati, do you think he was the first one to do one and do people think it's a circus trick?
TAS never claimed in his doco that Hawk had anything to do With his exclusion from the comp. He said he had been in all trick comps for the entire year then suddenly gets told he’s not in it. He was keen to go head to head with Hawk on the day under pressure.
I feel like he "cheated" by using the megaramp to do the 900 lol. It's obviously gonna give you more speed than a normal half pipe, which is where Tony did it.
Has Tony done it in the mega ramp? You reckon it's harder on vert? I can only assume you've been to Bob's ranch to test your 900 theory 😂 might be harder to get speed for a 900 on a pipe, but a 900 on the mega ramp is way more critical, it doesn't even compare😂😂😂😂 too funny man
Zane Hubay True true but I don't get why tho smh I remember when Tony Hawks underground came out and that was a huge trick for like 2 years and next thing you know it's out of style or something I dunno I guess people just like the fancy flip tricks these days
5:22 So … were they selected by a selection committee or base on their “vert ranking” (whatever that was)? If there is such a ranking and the top 5 were selected, why would you need a committee? Does not sound convincing to me …
Whether or not Tony did something sketchy is impossible to say for sure. However, the fact remains that he actually landed it. Even if Tony banned Tas from the event somehow, he still had to do the difficult part of actually landing the trick. There's no way Tony could've 100% known he was going to land it at the contest. Same as Tas, even if he had skated, there's no way he can definitively say he was going to land it then and there.
I've heard of that too but it sounds unlikely. Way was still chasing the 900 along with Sluggo, Zattoni, Hawk and Pappas in the nineties. Had he landed it back then he would have been the first to call out Hawk in '99 or every year since. Way's humble but not *that* humble
The whole x games and WCS was born out of Tonys dads NSA so there are some conflicts of interests there. like you say its in Tas's head but there is some weight of evidence that Tony had mainstream skateboarding sown up even if his 900 was legit
I grew up in LA in the 80's when skating took off. The culture of skating at the time was very much "lets do rad tricks". Skaters were constantly challenging each other and learning from each others.
Regarding the people who rejected being in Tas's documentary: you say they didn't want to be in it because of what Tas was saying. One of Tas's accusations is that Hawk uses his influence to screw people over, so there's also the possibility that they rejected being in the documentary out of fear or reprisal from Hawk. Just a theory, and no way of proving either way, but Tas is definitely not the only person I've seen saying negative things about the way Hawk behaves.
11:25 Perfectly said. Announcers/skaters that "claim" something like that on a mega ramp are put simply trash. Yes they did it on a 30 foot ramp going 20 MPH. Now do it on a half pipe and then you can brag about it. As far as I'm concerned a 1080+ has yet to be landed.
hey rad rat, really thought provoking video! Would you consider doing something on tech vert skating/skaters (colin mckay etc)? as this area of skating dont get much exposure, i mean when vert gets talked about its always the big tricks and big names , like mr hawk. cheers man.
lol pappas is a clown. How can you say someone stole a trick from you when you didn't even land it until over 15 years later?? I know Sandro Dias landed it a few years after hawk did
well in theory, lets say you're trying the trick.. you're rotating, over 720, no flip or varial.. even if u bail any skater can see what you're going for. and , a 900 on a skateboard is not just physics. a thrown rock doing a 900 is just physics. for a person to do it , there is a certain way + its very difficult. otherwise anyone could do it. all of skating has progressed by seeing what others are doing and pushing it 1 step farther. thats why McGill kinda kept the mctwist under wraps at 1st.
IKR? How can anyone think that an extra spin(or flip) is anything remotely close to inventing a new trick or "thinking outside the box" at all? That's the same as me saying, "so-n-so stole my idea for a quadruple kick-flip"...LOL!
It's a good document in the end, but it's also crazy biased. I also loved how Tas stated in the very beginning that he's not telling the truth “There’s three sides to every story: there’s my side, your side and the truth.”
When i saw the thumbnail for this video i thought it said “did tony hawk steal the goo?” And my initial thought was No. Not my dude Tony. No way he couldve stolen the goo.
Tas got so much more air than "Tony" tony basically did the last rotation whilst almost touching the ramp sess slideing, "It was kinda old school lol' sory to affend Tony straighty 180 fans! We all Kno tas extended every trick he Landed/or not to max no one can Take that away from Him!!!
Dude... You can't "steal" something like the 900, it is a spin move! Nothing original! If that was the case, then whoever did the first 360 stole it from the first guy that did a 180 right?! And then someone does a 540... And so on...
My only issue with this video is that you're completely under playing the venue the X Games would have given Tas for it. You are younger so maybe you don't know, but I grew up in this time and the X Games were unparalleled in giving people access to skateboarding that did not usually see it. It was just pre-internet blow up so there was no constant streaming, no Instagram, or any of that. Prior to the X Games was just magazines and skate movies. Also people looking good on paper like Andy MacDonald was always doing the exact same run. To the wife/ex-wife point, Tony having ties to someone in the x-games is still enough to have let him get in their good graces. You are super biased in your depiction here. I know you keep saying you're not sure and all that, but the way you present the info does not come across as just presenting the info on an even keel.
Tas finished 8th in vert that year, the only guy out of the top 4 to compete in best trick was Burnquist. Face it my man Tas was middle of the pack for the most part. And watch best trick in 2000, Tas was in it and *Spoiler alert* didn’t land the 900.
Hey Rad Rat do you have any info about Corey Sheppard? What does he do now, is he still skating? I saw him in the Blind What If Video but there isnt much more footage of him anywhere...
Omg the papas bros are some hawk hating bogans. Sheesh this documentary was an anti hawk flick. Tas should get together with Grosso and have a hate party.
demheelsbeastin Nothing to do with the fact that Stacey didn’t want him to pro for Powell? I love Grosso but I can tell you that if he was offered to go pro with Powell after that amateur contest win, he would have been part of the Bones Brigade.
I dont think it's weird that it took Tas that long to make the 900. I think he had his heart set on being the 1st one to do it so when Hawk did it he gave up on it probably
Saying hawk stealing is idiotic. rodney mullen invent many tricks and skaters around the world follows him, does that means they are stealing? hell no! skate tricks are not copyright exclusive. If he "steal" 900 by landing it, using the same logic only one person is allowed to do 360 because other skaters will be consider stealing
Nice video man. Keep up the great work! Have you thought about playing the THPS Beta's and maybe comparing the development through to the finished product? There is a lot of great content to be had there. Thanks for your hard work mate. Looking forward to more!
Giorgio Zattoni landed a 900 after only a mounth or so...Tas Pappas makes it feel like he was the only competior Tony Hawk ever had, wich is bullshit. In all those years Tony Hawk was the only guy who reminded in a interview that Giorgio Zattoni was working on the 900 too. Giorgio Zattoni was an amazing Vert Raider but you wont see him in JEff Grosso's loveletters or hear anyone who remember about him regarding the 900. That's the real shame.
May I ask, where do you manage to find the footage of all those old school contests? Aside from X-Games's AOL video library that went down in 2005, I wasn't able to find any other source.
No real evidence means not guilty. Also you have to look at the whole picture. Tony Hawk seems like the most stand-up dude in the skateboarding. He loves the sport and supports it any way he can. It seems incredibly out of character. Sounds like Tas was hyperfocus and making up things, maybe drugs, maybe physic episode. Also the documentary was made by VICE. So there's that. Sorry but I take Tony's word over any other. The dude's a legend.
He's the first Aussie to land it. Probably the first to overcome the hard life that set its barb into him and go on to land it at that too. How many drug addicts can land a 900? No matter how you overcome them, you're always an addict. You could snap tomorrow. In the documentary, you saw him right there as Tony walked off the halfpipe after he landed it at X-games 99. I could infer and see how people didn't wanna put any spotlight on Tas, both before and after Ben's title went from famous to infamous, but would rather put it on Hawk, who fair and square was a veteran who paid his inherent dues, but, it's just so gnarly, almost like Ernest Shackleton and his gang, how they, with nothing, came from Australia on a shoe string, armed with nothing but skill and the sheer fact that they both grew up together, and both became top in the world. But still, I'm not calling Hawk a sell-out. There are sell-outs that don't give other skaters a chance, but, that doesn't mean Hawk is one. I think Tas killed Hawk at the Triple Crown in '96 with that broken rib run. He was the better man that day. Resentfully I felt him just have to be given the win on that one. It was too epic and self-evident. He practically did a kickflip sactap indy I thought he was gonna fumble but landed deft as hell. As far as the 900 goes, it would have been cool had he gotten a chance to go pit for pat on it, but I guess they looked at him as getting in the way, or, didn't have enough of the red tape stats to qualify, that and he lost half of his duo at that point. It's almost more impressive that they went to the top together, rather than one guy. You can't deny how these two Nowhere Men came to the top chomping hard by their teeth. You know, Jereme Rogers may have pissed some people off, but, that's no reason to ostracize the guy and call him names. Antwuan, Boulala, Andy Roy. There are tons of skaters who have fuck-up reputations and report cards, and a lot of people are just mean to them about it. Maybe they want better for them and are just frustrated, but, mercy should never be forgotten, and a grudge shouldn't go on for so long. Yeah, you can't really forget when someone you love puts a cigarette out on your chest, but, you should never stop treating them how you always wanted to if you ever thought in your life you really loved them, and if you do retaliate and forget love to them, it proves you're an in denial hurt person who don't wanna really break the cycle of evil actions undefined. A hydraulic jump regurgitating nowhere, surely to drown in ideologies. If you won't hear the truth, nobody can tell you. Love from afar if you have to. Be weary, but don't be hateful. To me, skateboarding is a church. Skaters should look after each other. There is talent. There is persona. Unfortunately, the pride of the human man is within itself the endless decay of relationships. People shouldn't be thrown away and meant to feel it with a scoff. It's easier for them to turn to what kills them if they know they have nothing to turn to in a human being. Make it harder for them to look at themselves as a pincushion, and call a person by their name. Also, I know in lieu of the tragedy within all this story, that a contest win seems vain to talk about, but, the reason it is talked about, is because these dudes literally came out of nowhere and pushed the champs aside and became them themselves, as brothers. People almost didn't like how they were "rootless." It was a big deal that they did that. It's not a matter of he said she said, but, it is what it is. It was quite noteworthy that they came in and ranked and cleaned house like they did. Had demons not got the best of them, they would have really revolutionized things, alongside other skaters. People who slap around the fan favorites do deserve hype. If you did a trick 10 years ago, you still get your hype. Ask Boulala on the 25 Lyon. He didn't even land it. He's awesome just for trying it. Can't even skate anymore, but deserves his props till he's an old man for when he could and did like a banshee.
you read it here first: the 1440. i came up with that its my trick, i dont care that snowboarding has been there for years, i dont even skate anymore but the 1440 is mine and dont you dare steal it from me
It's not like it's a creative trick in any way. It's just "nice 180, wonder if I can do a 360" and so on. How can you "steal" something as simple as "I'm gonna spin, but MORE"
exactly!! its not like he landed it first and tony claims that he was first or something like that neither.. he's just pissed that he hasn't landed it earlier! I would be too but come on.. be stoked for skating not for fame!
Exactly! Vert was so over the top/ridiculous by then, they were literally doing anything they could to liven it up. Airs just kept getting bigger and bigger because there wasn't anything left to innovate, they'd already done it all.
I hope ya try something hard that y’all love and somebody else comes and takes it from you , ban you from trying itand takes credit 🤷🏾♂️
RitualREDRUM
No dummy
I understand what you are trying to say but the trick is really hard
Did every skater ever steal the kickflip from Rodney Mullen? 🤔
This logic is fucking stupid jesus christ anyone that thinks this is relevant is stupid. Doing a kickflip is a lot different to the first person landing a big trick for the first time in competitive skateboarding, get real...
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Just because it's a bigger trick used in competition, doesn't mean it was stolen.
Landing a trick simply relies on skill and technique, and Tony clearly excelled in both.
Yes let's avoid the fact pappas was denied even attempts funny that all that happened 🤔🤔
Actually, the kick flip was a trick from the 70's. I think ty page invented it. The OLLIE version, in which you don't hook the flipping foot over the edge was the much later version. So too the 'shuvit', originally called the 'ty hop' because, well, ty page invented it.
aleksi sk8 great point
Tas's story is kinda tragic. I feel like if his brother didn't go down that bad path and commit suicide, they both would've moved on and been considered some of the greatest ever. Sad how things happen sometimes. RIP to Ben and hopefully Tas is doing well these days
Taz completed the 900 and it was way smoother and cleaner than hawks ever was
So they had entire events based around TAS landing the 900, he couldn't do it, Tony did it, TAS did it 15 years later... No, he didn't steal it.
Tas did it on a mega ramp.. it's a lot harder to do it on vert
@@kostasrubtsov6633it is also much harder if you're 15 years older
@@gremsa 100% agree with you.... except Tony Hawk did the 900 again more than 15 years later... about 2 years ago
How the hell can you "steal" a generic spin trick? Spinning more is a simple idea. Anybody could think of it. What matters more is who managed to pull it off.
Yeah and you don't even have to "think" of it. It's already there, you just gotta get to it.
Spoken like a clueless moron who cannot understand context
You don't think Hawk had anything to do with Tas being left out of the best trick contest? Hawk knew Tas was close to landing it.
I find it interesting Tony Hawk “stole” the trick from a guy who has still never done a 900 on a half pipe. Just saying.
@@GTFCEO When you don’t use proper punctuation, you’re really not one to be talking. Also a big difference between autocorrect fucking up and not knowing how to spell.
@@JakeKoenig yes. X games 2003. Either way. Still counts with a hand drag.
If Tas had landed the 900 like a few days or a week later in '99 i would somehow see his point. But he needed like 15 years(!) to land his “stolen” trick on a damn mega ramp! It’s
so ridiculous!
he was in jail for that time could only skate flat occasionally so 15 year break then come back to 900, im lucky to kickflip after a week of not skating
ADownerKitty I was about to say the dude went to jail, if he had the opportunity in the moment, he lands it!
Plus you burn bridges doing drugs. So explains all the bad blood when trying to back his story up. Especially with his brother killing his gf. Probably didn't want his image anymore.
He was only in jail full time from 2008-2011. After that he got released on weekends to skate.
ADownerKitty And How is that Tony Hawk’s fault? Tony Hawk didn’t put Tas Pappas in jail. Tas Pappas shouldn’t have tried to smuggle cocaine. Tas shouldn’t be blaming Tony Hawk; he has only himself and the drugs he used to blame.
Are you saying the guy on drugs had the story wrong?!
Someone’s a sour pussy ^^
I'd beleieve a junkie over Tony Hawk anyday.
RitualREDRUM how come?
MadManDan because a junkie you can tell when they are lying. Tony is a professional liar. He wouldn't of made it anywhere in skateboarding if it weren't for his dad at the beginning.
RitualREDRUM you're so frickin insane. Tonys dad didn't ride his board for him. If you're that good at skating and keep yourself in check., you know not running through airports with thousands of dollars of coke in your shoes, or skateboards ,then you are going to make it. I bet you can't even pump a mini ramp while you talking shit about a legend and one of the best skaters to ever drop in a vert ramp. Tony made millions and you're a butthurt hater. And guess what. He don't give a shit what you think. You and I are nobody's.
The only real "controversy" would be if Tony and/or ESPN purposely kept Tas out of the best trick contest.
The idea that the trick was "stolen" is stupid. If that was the case, then every street skater on the planet stole from Mullen.
cberbes true!
tas is salty, he didn't even land a 900 ever on a normal sized vert ramp
Agree 100
@@bl1ndr there is still the question of espn and x games keeping tas out of the best trick 99. i mean cmon he was one of the best at the time and not letting him participate because of bad image and tony being a buisness man with a good image is not that far away. They just needed a poster boy to make money
he was ranked 8th at the time and they only wanted the top 5 @@Erik-xd1tf
If you land it first, it's yours. That's the way she goes boys.
T Sterling yeah but that not the case, Papas just wanted a chance to try in that comp and they not invited him
Idonno that big stair gab boulala tried then jaws stuck. Boulala still got daps right
Another example of a junkie inspiring some jock to make something big happen
It's the same principle in music. Some drugged out dude like curt Cobain starts a movement then dies off then all the little pussy pop stars with childstar haircuts swarm in like vultures. Or in this case like a hawk.
@@gorillabraudcast474 lmao you sound like a idiot, tony was famous and rich before the 900. Pappas was a nobody
Tony Hawk stole my lunch money
Paddy O'Lantern TONY HAWK TOOK MY JERB!
Paddy O'Lantern damn
@@d4c467 were you missin tree fiddy
It was about this time that I noticed Tony Hawk was about eight stories tall and was a crustacean from the Mesozoic era.
Tas had a ramp and a camera. He should have landed it first if he could.
It would not be in comp so it would not have matterd
josef steiner not true.
@@josefsteiner9163 Skating isn't the same as other sports' records. Doesn't matter if it's in a comp or not, if a skater landed a trick first they landed it. It just happens to be that Tony landed it during that event (which btw was past his time limit anyway).
@@BigFatCock0 yeah it was past his time limit but everybody extended his time limit and let him continue skating so technically it was still within his time limit because everyone with him continue his time
He wasn't in the Xgames Best Trick because he spent the entire season trying to land 900s at every best trick contest but never landed one so he didn't qualify to compete at Xgames! He was just shit-stirring 'cos he's bitter that he threw his career away to drugs
For real
Yep
Big yup!
The fact that Tas didn't land it for another 15 years and even then, on a Mega ramp, surely puts this to bed? Even if he had been in the best trick contest it seems unlikely he would have made it.
Well he lost his father, brother and was also in prison for 6 years. I was stoked for him when he finally landed it, He was trying it alot in San Diego. It would have been awesome seeing him and Hawk going shot for shot for it at the X Games,,,,
I think the people that side with Tas Pappas on this don't understand that you can't really make or break a career based on a single trick. It might get you 15 minutes of fame, but real success comes being able to constantly push the boundaries of what can be done on a skateboard. When Tony Hawk landed the first 900, he had been skating professionally for over a decade and by that time he racked up many new tricks, contest wins, video parts, sponsors, and even had a video game in development. Any trick is kind of a drop in the bucket at that point. Sure, Pappas wasn't the first person to land the 900, but he also wasn't the second. Instead he got addicted to meth and went to prison.
Riley Kadidlo What gets you famous is circle jerking with ESPN. Hawk hss shown us that.
+Emil Andersson Tony Hawk was famous in 1986 when i was 9. so no you're wrong. Riley is completely correct. TH is famous regardless of the 900.
Riley Kadidlo The Pappas bros invented a bunch of flip tricks in the vert ramp while doing it with style. check out there parts. really sick. hawk was the first to land the 900. Its really too bad the Pappas bros went down the wrong path like many people before them. Im sure we would have seen more great things from them if they didnt.
hawk is consistent never pushed boundaries. most boring commercial skater ever
You obviously did not skate in the 80's
Tony Hawk stole my Bagel Bites.
“We’re doing pretty well in the 90’s” - buddy they were number 1 & 2..
I think that Tas is, unfortunately, like a lot of people that get messed up on drugs, they can't accept personal responsibility for their own actions. It is also similar to a star high school football player that never accomplishes anything after high school, they get hung up on their one successful time in life and can't move on.
Tony Hawk was successful before he landed the 900, the video game was in production before then, for instance, but obviously the mainstream coverage made him much more noticeable. And jealously is a thing.
I for one don't believe that anyone at ESPN was knowledgeable enough to even know athletes' names at the time. And just went by contest results for placing. But if there is any truth to it, maybe they didn't want to promote an addict on such a big stage?
Gary Thomas
like Al Bundy and his 4 TDs in one game.
tas was on the show in the normal comp before the big vert ramp that i think tas won. And tonys wife plays a very big part in ESPN, and tony knew tas was going to do the 900 on the big vert,
Gary Thomas at that time everybody knows thats Papas was trying 900.
You got no idea champ!!
@@Free-j3t ruclips.net/video/vHlU1N3-Roc/видео.html
Here’s the reality. Tas has done a shit-tonne of pretty hard drugs, drugs known to ruin people’s lives and minds. Drugs known to distort the reality within the minds of people who have taken them.
I followed Tas extensively during the 90’s and watched he and Ben become the best vert skaters in the world. I did this because I’m Australian and the local magazines covered them as they became better and better.
I would’ve liked nothing more than Tas making the 900 before Tony (even though im a big TH) fan.
But Tas’ claims that Tony ‘stole’ or modified situations to Tas’ detriment are nothing more than the delusions of a heavy drug user. Reformed or not, you never come back from that rabbit hole once you’ve dug it.
Sorry Tas. But you’ve been spiralling.
Aside from that; the film was one of the most powerful I’ve seen. The tragic trajectory the brothers took is absurdly upsetting in so many ways.
RIP Ben.
You don't know what you're talking about stfu
I don't understand why people have to try and take away from Tony Hawk. I feel like he's been really good about giving credit where credit is due and giving back to the community and bringing the spotlight to the whole sport as well as other skateboarders. Really, he seems like one of the best things that ever happened to skateboarding. Why does anyone feel the need to discredit him?
He has even spoke about how he was always pushing for people to land the 900 so it would be over. He had been trying it for so long it became the go to thing to yell at him at demos and shit he never cared enough about being the first to land it.
Tony and Andy had so much class and skill (not to take away from ALLL the OG's) that although ppl can be very different off camera, I never felt they intentionally lied and they genuinely cared for the sport. So much that if it was something to diminish said sport they weren't with it. I'm apparently stealing walking while talking from whoever did that first. its laughable, but I do kno how Tas felt. imagine wanting a 8 lb newborn and no matter what it was always under. then a guy you kno, who skills his way to what he wants, gets a 8 lb baby 1st. you'd be crushed but that's not your baby bro...
Lol, nice analogy XD
he's a nerd and a jock at the same time. that's why
I'll tell you one good reason why people are a bit ehhhh poo poo, it's because didn't his dad have something to do with the actual early events or a judge or something? I can't fully remember now what his dad was doing but it was something along those lines. I like Tony Hawk and I like skateboarding also it's a good sport, but don't you kinda agree that it's a tad ironic that Tas Papas was planning on going for the 900 and then on that very day out of the many Tony pulls it outta his back pocket to try for it? Tony Hawk must have known he would be or could be in trouble had Tas pulled the 900 off and I honestly believe that Tony knew and beat him to it to get rid of the opposition. Tas was dangerous on vert ramp he just had obstacles in his way unfortunately. Apart from that they are both great skateboarders and both deserve a mention of course maybe one more than the other but still that's what I believe....that TH beat TP to the punch on that one, it was the only trick that really threatened him.
Did Hawk STEAL the goo?
Zanzibane There's a mystery waiting to be solved.
I believe Tony, I think he's shown over and over again he's a solid honest all around good guy
This is an interesting argument. I know dudes who were am for fury that were in adds and Tony never paid them
How old was the baby when the good guy went off with another bird?
@@gorillabraudcast474 ams don’t get paid
Maybe Xgames and Espn needed a poster boy and not a „rockstar“
I'm looking at this from the view of a non-skater. And the way I see it is how would Tony Hawk steal the 900 when all the 900 is is a lot of spinning? If you think Tony Hawk stole the 900 then everyone stole anything above a 360 spin when someone discovered you could spin while doing a trick.
Robert Rossignol yeah no you can't steal a generic spin
The thing is it that it was tried a ton of times and really hyped as the next milestone in skating. It wasn't just one more spin.
@@bradmurray1736 Regardless you can't steal it. In fact just like you said since everyone was looking forward to it you can't steal it right?
Because some drug addict is angry that his life didn’t pan out more like Tony’s. Tony is super rich, super famous. Everyone knows who is, even people who have never touched a skateboard.
Not even sure how he can claim he stole something he himself hadn’t even accomplished yet .
in his warped mind he probably truly believes Tony “stole” the trick.
No one said he stole it. The controversy is if tony prevented Tas from competing in the best trick contest. People don’t seem to get this
The story sounds like when multiple people go for a world record in something. When one person gets it, everyone involved in said record feels or could feel like it was taken from them.
Tony hawk is too chill and busy to sabotage drug addicted skaters.
bullshit you it seems perfectly logical to steal a trick off a drug addict, why because no one will believe the drug addict and tony saw a good opportunity to get away with it, besides tony hawk gets no air what so ever when he does it and does a full revolution by sliding and spinning down the ramp like a sess slide!
ArminLucas Bombardier how can u steal a trick?
Tbh tas papas is way better then tony ever was and if may b Ben didn’t screw up tony woulda stay third in the world 🥱
@@vlogsbyjenn303 Silly.
The Pappas wipe the floor of hawk, two crazy Aussies...
Thats how it goes my bros
the whole 900 controversy is the most infuriating shit ever. Practically every post i've seen relating to Tony since has misinformed idiots screaming how they know the truth because they saw one biased Netflix documentary. Just 5 minuites of research on the subject completly debunks any claims that Tas made. Good videos dude.
Barnaby Jordan i know the truth vecause i was there. I seent it! Tonys daddy always saves the day at competitions. If you go back and watch clearly Tony wasn't the better skater in so many of them and it was so stiff, with no style. Just ugly
@@theflyletmepetit watch the video fool
As Tas says at the beginning of the documentary: 'There's 3 sides to every story... my side, your side and the truth.'
I take a lot from that
The secret smiles... Then it meant pappas is lying coz his side aint the truth... Obviously.
Don't look too deeply into it bro just watched the video in front of You right here
So I realise this is a fight over who performed spinning to a revolution of 900 whilst airborne on a skateboard but who invented spinning? That's the real story....
Tas did, after smoking half a gram of tek
💫🤣💨
The evidence is plain and clear. Tos is mad he didn't land it first. And that Tony landed it after already having a great run.. That is literally how it went.
I'm pretty sure Tas got kicked out of events because as the video showed he was a drug user and didn't have his life together and Tony Hawk being the guy he is and never gone that way in his life didn't want someone like that at his events. If I was running an event and the guy showed up wasted or under the influence of something half the time I wouldn't want him there either especially if you're trying to make it a family friendly event. I think Tas is just butt hurt over not being the one to land it and like anyone who's a user they always find some excuse for why they use in the first place. History doesn't lie and we can't change it just because we want to. Funny how 20 years later damn I'm getting old lol, and we are still talking about it. Thanks and have a great day.
Mate he never made an excuse for using watch the documentary it's about how he and his brother got into heavy drugs because of the party life they were living from there fame and how it got ben killed and in jail for several years not about how he got the 900 stolen from him and in this video you can see that he wished that he didn't add that to the documentary because That wasn't the point of it
I watched the documentary on RUclips.
At first I was like “holy shit!”
But then the skeptic on my shoulder started telling me to investigate the claims.
I did and found out most of the claims made in the video were bunk.
Bruh as a skateboarder, you cant steal tricks... saying that tony hawk stole the 900 is like saying that every skateboarder stole the ollie like wtf... skateboarders take eachothers stuff and add their own stuff then release it back to the community, which as a result brings the skateboarding community to a new level...
It's almost as sad as his brothers story. Man spends all his energy trying one trick, but his obsession with it, and his increasingly unstable lifestyle blackballed him from events to attempt it. Bitter he creates a conspiracy in his head about how it was stolen from him. Even though people had been trying ot for years. As far as I see it the only way to "steal" a trick is A.) You see some no name guy do it for the first time, throw it in a video, and never credit them. B.) You see someone's video part wear they nail it, and then do it and realease it first. B isn't even all the way stealing since it could proven who did it first. You're just greasey for paoching the initial hype. "You don't steal tricks you land em" and what not.
I love how Danny Way's 900 attempts were always somewhat vertical.
His looked awesome. Sucks he was never able to stick it.
😂
Look up Munster Mastership 1990. He inverted it like a proper McTwist. I'm not sure anyone has put one down like that even to this day.
I think there definitely could have been a lot of ESPN bias towards tony hawk, pushing him to land the 900 as opposed to another. When Tony jumped into the water at the Xgames years before they said anyone who did that would get disqualified, but he won the event, so I think there was so much dick riding that it might have been out of tony hawk's control, but it doesn't mean that he wasn't robbed.
James Mayer he jumped into the water after the time on his run was over.
The whole movie is infested with lies, they talk as if they were Hawk's #1 rivals and when they'd normally barely make the top 10. It's nothing but a bunch of nonsense.
Exactly 100%
Weren't Tas & Ben ranked #1 & #2 in the world before the wheels fell off?
@@tikkabrno They were great skaters but this was a time of Hawk, Burnquist, Bucky, McDonald, McKay, Danny MOTHERFUCKING Way... Yes, Tas was awesome to watch but those guys didn't mess around in competition! Just look at Hawk's competition record, it's crazy!!!
Nah dude, the Pappas brothers were right in the mix and were just getting better, Tas was beating hawk on vert often, their flip tricks above coping rivaled the technicality of hawk, and they pushed Tony to his limits at times. If Tas landed the 900 first, skateboard history might be very different today..... But if you think Ben and Tas weren't any chop, you don't have a clue dude, they took the world by storm, they were crazy technical, stylish af, they went hard, and at a time where the vert scene in Australia was close to non existent, and they still rose to the top. Show a bit of respect dude! 🖖
Ah yes, Tas, an utter Legend. Just a shame that his life fell off a cliff so early and of course, that Ben died, its just tragic. Good to see Tas is doing better now.
He is? That's good to hear, tragic tale indeed 😢
I mean, I kinda understand the idea of there being a particular technique that one guy came up with to make it possible, and maybe jacking that technique. But until you land it, it's just theoretical. It'd be like if some dude in the 70s thought "if I flick my foot off the side of the board, it would flip over" but never landed it, then claimed Rodney Mullen stole the kickflip from him.
I get the feeling that the documentary people had it in for Tony hawk
just remember back then things were SHADY AS FUCK and i mean SHADY AS FUCK you dont know who to believe
Why did I read that as “ Did Hawk steal the goo?”
dyslexia
Hey Rad Rat, do you know anything about the sack tap air, they're on the Tony Hawk video games, but Bob Burnquist does one to fakie in Menikmati, do you think he was the first one to do one and do people think it's a circus trick?
tony hawk is tony hawk but those pappa's brothers lifted the whole game from a spin with maybe a verial to full blown flip tricks on vert
Yup, they forced evolution🤘
You can't just land a 900 on command so it's not just like he stole it.
TAS never claimed in his doco that Hawk had anything to do
With his exclusion from the comp.
He said he had been in all trick comps for the entire year then suddenly gets told he’s not in it.
He was keen to go head to head with Hawk on the day under pressure.
He was in Hawks head at that time, he quite possibly would've won head to head with Tony🤘
update: Tas had every opportunity to land it B4 that event...so Tony gets my trphy award...
I feel like he "cheated" by using the megaramp to do the 900 lol. It's obviously gonna give you more speed than a normal half pipe, which is where Tony did it.
Has Tony done it in the mega ramp? You reckon it's harder on vert? I can only assume you've been to Bob's ranch to test your 900 theory 😂 might be harder to get speed for a 900 on a pipe, but a 900 on the mega ramp is way more critical, it doesn't even compare😂😂😂😂 too funny man
What ever happened to the trick "Rocket Air"? That trick has literally disappeared
A few people do it here and there, Alex Sorgente does them and I think I've seen Tony Hawk do them, but I think people see that as a circus trick
Zane Hubay True true but I don't get why tho smh I remember when Tony Hawks underground came out and that was a huge trick for like 2 years and next thing you know it's out of style or something I dunno I guess people just like the fancy flip tricks these days
I remember Danny Way backflipped one. It was mindblowing.
At the end of the day the Pappas brothers were the best!
Yes he stole spinning in a circle.
5:22 So … were they selected by a selection committee or base on their “vert ranking” (whatever that was)? If there is such a ranking and the top 5 were selected, why would you need a committee? Does not sound convincing to me …
Whether or not Tony did something sketchy is impossible to say for sure. However, the fact remains that he actually landed it. Even if Tony banned Tas from the event somehow, he still had to do the difficult part of actually landing the trick. There's no way Tony could've 100% known he was going to land it at the contest. Same as Tas, even if he had skated, there's no way he can definitively say he was going to land it then and there.
I recall reading a 1990 issue of Transworld or Thrasher covering the Muenster contest, with people claiming Danny Way landed a 900 in practice.
I've heard of that too but it sounds unlikely. Way was still chasing the 900 along with Sluggo, Zattoni, Hawk and Pappas in the nineties. Had he landed it back then he would have been the first to call out Hawk in '99 or every year since. Way's humble but not *that* humble
"There are 3 sides to every story. Your side, my side and the truth"
"History goes to the Victor".
Tony landed it on camera. End.
YES, It is ridiculous to even entertain this idea. Skateboarding = No rules. Even making up your own rules is fair game...get it? Love ya Raddy.
Bullshit. Tony Hawk never claimed to have invented the 900. He just did it.
5:30 "Busky Lasek"
Tomny Hawk, Rob Burnquist, Busky Lasek...
Short answer: No.
Long answer: No, but with more accusations and drug use.
TLDR; No.
The whole x games and WCS was born out of Tonys dads NSA so there are some conflicts of interests there. like you say its in Tas's head but there is some weight of evidence that Tony had mainstream skateboarding sown up even if his 900 was legit
I grew up in LA in the 80's when skating took off. The culture of skating at the time was very much "lets do rad tricks". Skaters were constantly challenging each other and learning from each others.
"Busky Lasek" lol
Imagine someone landing the quadruple backflip for the first time and someone else claiming "he stole it from me"
ɢɪꜰᴛ "I tried it first, it is mine" so fucking stupid
Regarding the people who rejected being in Tas's documentary: you say they didn't want to be in it because of what Tas was saying. One of Tas's accusations is that Hawk uses his influence to screw people over, so there's also the possibility that they rejected being in the documentary out of fear or reprisal from Hawk. Just a theory, and no way of proving either way, but Tas is definitely not the only person I've seen saying negative things about the way Hawk behaves.
you're joking right lol
11:25 Perfectly said. Announcers/skaters that "claim" something like that on a mega ramp are put simply trash. Yes they did it on a 30 foot ramp going 20 MPH. Now do it on a half pipe and then you can brag about it. As far as I'm concerned a 1080+ has yet to be landed.
That hoodie is sick btw.
your content just keeps getting better! keep it up
hey rad rat, really thought provoking video!
Would you consider doing something on tech vert skating/skaters (colin mckay etc)? as this area of skating dont get much exposure, i mean when vert gets talked about its always the big tricks and big names , like mr hawk.
cheers man.
ruffdisco84 1 That's a great idea! I second that! underground vert skateboarding legends or underrated pros!
I love tech vert stuff. I'll see if I can come up with anything.
cool man, be good to see what you can come up with.!
Jake Brown's "What If" part is a must if you want a tech vert part. The dude only grabs his board like once or twice the whole part!
yeah man watched it , sick as fuck, forgot about jake brown till you said.
If tony hawk stole the 900 from Tas does that mean that Tom Schwar Stole the 1080 from Shaun White?
lol pappas is a clown. How can you say someone stole a trick from you when you didn't even land it until over 15 years later?? I know Sandro Dias landed it a few years after hawk did
Also no one stole the 900 from anyone. It's just physics.
well in theory, lets say you're trying the trick.. you're rotating, over 720, no flip or varial.. even if u bail any skater can see what you're going for. and , a 900 on a skateboard is not just physics. a thrown rock doing a 900 is just physics. for a person to do it , there is a certain way + its very difficult. otherwise anyone could do it. all of skating has progressed by seeing what others are doing and pushing it 1 step farther. thats why McGill kinda kept the mctwist under wraps at 1st.
Daniel Simon alright douchebag that's not what I meant
IKR?
How can anyone think that an extra spin(or flip) is anything remotely close to inventing a new trick or "thinking outside the box" at all? That's the same as me saying, "so-n-so stole my idea for a quadruple kick-flip"...LOL!
Wow vice gets called out again on not telling the truth... Who would have thought
😂
Hey Rad Rat, do you know of any female skater youtubers/vloggers? Another great video.
I'm sad for Tas but Tony did not steal anything and he's not responsible of Tas issues.
Tony is not his nemesis.
Search " Danny way Munster 1990" @ 0:59 you see Danny attempt 900 back then also.
Go check out All This Mayhem on Netflix it's super good, and I don't feel like this kid is doing the story justice.
Game videography Yeah a LOT taken out of context. Him making the same claim me remembering those things happening feels strange. But well..
It's a good document in the end, but it's also crazy biased. I also loved how Tas stated in the very beginning that he's not telling the truth “There’s three sides to every story: there’s my side, your side and the truth.”
Yep. Now youre putting it in context and see how it changes things :)
woah dude fuckin deep bro rly makes u think
No doubt solid documentary. Kid's an obvious Hawk fanboy.
When i saw the thumbnail for this video i thought it said “did tony hawk steal the goo?” And my initial thought was No. Not my dude Tony. No way he couldve stolen the goo.
Tas got so much more air than "Tony" tony basically did the last rotation whilst almost touching the ramp sess slideing, "It was kinda old school lol' sory to affend Tony straighty 180 fans! We all Kno tas extended every trick he Landed/or not to max no one can Take that away from Him!!!
adz gerks a documented video or mag sequence landing the 900 will tell the truth
Dude... You can't "steal" something like the 900, it is a spin move! Nothing original! If that was the case, then whoever did the first 360 stole it from the first guy that did a 180 right?! And then someone does a 540... And so on...
My only issue with this video is that you're completely under playing the venue the X Games would have given Tas for it. You are younger so maybe you don't know, but I grew up in this time and the X Games were unparalleled in giving people access to skateboarding that did not usually see it. It was just pre-internet blow up so there was no constant streaming, no Instagram, or any of that. Prior to the X Games was just magazines and skate movies. Also people looking good on paper like Andy MacDonald was always doing the exact same run. To the wife/ex-wife point, Tony having ties to someone in the x-games is still enough to have let him get in their good graces. You are super biased in your depiction here. I know you keep saying you're not sure and all that, but the way you present the info does not come across as just presenting the info on an even keel.
Tas finished 8th in vert that year, the only guy out of the top 4 to compete in best trick was Burnquist. Face it my man Tas was middle of the pack for the most part. And watch best trick in 2000, Tas was in it and *Spoiler alert* didn’t land the 900.
First thought after seeing the headline was "how the fuck do you steal turning?"
didn't steal it he just did it
Hey Rad Rat
do you have any info about Corey Sheppard? What does he do now, is he still skating? I saw him in the Blind What If Video but there isnt much more footage of him anywhere...
www.muckmouth.com/back-in-the-spotlight-3 its a few years old but they have stuff on a bunch of skaters you don't see anymore.
thanks!
Tas is a crybaby.
Just sounds like bitterness that he got beaten to the punch.
Ego is the downfall of so many skaters like Pappas, look at Hosoi or Rogowski.. big head syndrome
'I didn't know about it til Tony hawk spoke about it'
Omg the papas bros are some hawk hating bogans. Sheesh this documentary was an anti hawk flick. Tas should get together with Grosso and have a hate party.
demheelsbeastin Don't throw Grosso in the same boat as Tas, at least Grosso has something to back him up
If you watch some of Grosso's interviews he seems to HATE all things Powell Peralta and most skaters affiliated.
Grosso really isnt as salty as he comes off on vids man he is just blowing steam its a joke dude
lol you know nothing
demheelsbeastin
Nothing to do with the fact that Stacey didn’t want him to pro for Powell? I love Grosso but I can tell you that if he was offered to go pro with Powell after that amateur contest win, he would have been part of the Bones Brigade.
I dont think it's weird that it took Tas that long to make the 900. I think he had his heart set on being the 1st one to do it so when Hawk did it he gave up on it probably
Saying hawk stealing is idiotic. rodney mullen invent many tricks and skaters around the world follows him, does that means they are stealing? hell no! skate tricks are not copyright exclusive. If he "steal" 900 by landing it, using the same logic only one person is allowed to do 360 because other skaters will be consider stealing
Nice video man. Keep up the great work! Have you thought about playing the THPS Beta's and maybe comparing the development through to the finished product? There is a lot of great content to be had there. Thanks for your hard work mate. Looking forward to more!
Giorgio Zattoni landed a 900 after only a mounth or so...Tas Pappas makes it feel like he was the only competior Tony Hawk ever had, wich is bullshit.
In all those years Tony Hawk was the only guy who reminded in a interview that Giorgio Zattoni was working on the 900 too.
Giorgio Zattoni was an amazing Vert Raider but you wont see him in JEff Grosso's loveletters or hear anyone who remember about him regarding the 900.
That's the real shame.
May I ask, where do you manage to find the footage of all those old school contests? Aside from X-Games's AOL video library that went down in 2005, I wasn't able to find any other source.
Apparently no, you may not ask
No real evidence means not guilty. Also you have to look at the whole picture. Tony Hawk seems like the most stand-up dude in the skateboarding. He loves the sport and supports it any way he can. It seems incredibly out of character. Sounds like Tas was hyperfocus and making up things, maybe drugs, maybe physic episode.
Also the documentary was made by VICE. So there's that. Sorry but I take Tony's word over any other. The dude's a legend.
A trick that is just a continuation of an already established trick (that birdman established) cannot be stolen.
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no, it was Tony, the Illumanati with an assist from Dick Cheney that stole the 900....there is no way Tony could have done this alone!
He's the first Aussie to land it. Probably the first to overcome the hard life that set its barb into him and go on to land it at that too. How many drug addicts can land a 900? No matter how you overcome them, you're always an addict. You could snap tomorrow. In the documentary, you saw him right there as Tony walked off the halfpipe after he landed it at X-games 99. I could infer and see how people didn't wanna put any spotlight on Tas, both before and after Ben's title went from famous to infamous, but would rather put it on Hawk, who fair and square was a veteran who paid his inherent dues, but, it's just so gnarly, almost like Ernest Shackleton and his gang, how they, with nothing, came from Australia on a shoe string, armed with nothing but skill and the sheer fact that they both grew up together, and both became top in the world. But still, I'm not calling Hawk a sell-out. There are sell-outs that don't give other skaters a chance, but, that doesn't mean Hawk is one. I think Tas killed Hawk at the Triple Crown in '96 with that broken rib run. He was the better man that day. Resentfully I felt him just have to be given the win on that one. It was too epic and self-evident. He practically did a kickflip sactap indy I thought he was gonna fumble but landed deft as hell. As far as the 900 goes, it would have been cool had he gotten a chance to go pit for pat on it, but I guess they looked at him as getting in the way, or, didn't have enough of the red tape stats to qualify, that and he lost half of his duo at that point. It's almost more impressive that they went to the top together, rather than one guy. You can't deny how these two Nowhere Men came to the top chomping hard by their teeth. You know, Jereme Rogers may have pissed some people off, but, that's no reason to ostracize the guy and call him names. Antwuan, Boulala, Andy Roy. There are tons of skaters who have fuck-up reputations and report cards, and a lot of people are just mean to them about it. Maybe they want better for them and are just frustrated, but, mercy should never be forgotten, and a grudge shouldn't go on for so long. Yeah, you can't really forget when someone you love puts a cigarette out on your chest, but, you should never stop treating them how you always wanted to if you ever thought in your life you really loved them, and if you do retaliate and forget love to them, it proves you're an in denial hurt person who don't wanna really break the cycle of evil actions undefined. A hydraulic jump regurgitating nowhere, surely to drown in ideologies. If you won't hear the truth, nobody can tell you. Love from afar if you have to. Be weary, but don't be hateful. To me, skateboarding is a church. Skaters should look after each other. There is talent. There is persona. Unfortunately, the pride of the human man is within itself the endless decay of relationships. People shouldn't be thrown away and meant to feel it with a scoff. It's easier for them to turn to what kills them if they know they have nothing to turn to in a human being. Make it harder for them to look at themselves as a pincushion, and call a person by their name. Also, I know in lieu of the tragedy within all this story, that a contest win seems vain to talk about, but, the reason it is talked about, is because these dudes literally came out of nowhere and pushed the champs aside and became them themselves, as brothers. People almost didn't like how they were "rootless." It was a big deal that they did that. It's not a matter of he said she said, but, it is what it is. It was quite noteworthy that they came in and ranked and cleaned house like they did. Had demons not got the best of them, they would have really revolutionized things, alongside other skaters. People who slap around the fan favorites do deserve hype. If you did a trick 10 years ago, you still get your hype. Ask Boulala on the 25 Lyon. He didn't even land it. He's awesome just for trying it. Can't even skate anymore, but deserves his props till he's an old man for when he could and did like a banshee.
you read it here first: the 1440. i came up with that its my trick, i dont care that snowboarding has been there for years, i dont even skate anymore but the 1440 is mine and dont you dare steal it from me