The Secret History of Theme Parks with Defunctland - Factually! - 225
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2023
- Theme park rides stand as one of the few forms of popular entertainment that can vanish with no way to experience them once again. So, how can such a cherished art form be preserved? Kevin Perjurer, the creative mind behind Defunctland, has made it his business to document the fleeting nature of theme parks, both the good and the bad. In this episode, Adam and Kevin discuss how theme parks shape the cultures that give rise to them, the extent to which our own history is molded and packaged for our entertainment, and the pivotal role RUclips historians play in dismantling the everyday myths we tell ourselves.
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Go on hot ones and eat spicy wings Adam! Please!
Yay, Defunctland! XD This is the collab I had no idea I needed.
with an intro like that i thought you were about to say you partnered with nebula or something like that. awesome job by the way
Hey Adam, I'm not sure if I may have missed it, but can you do a segment maybe on the current Hollywood strikes and how RUclips is influenced/influencing it. I don't agree with all the points on the strikes, but wish you all safety and a working solution.
So when are you getting on Nebula?
Thanks so much for having me!
This was such a fascinating behind-the-scenes video. Your work with the Disney jingle and the queues are still videos my girlfriend and I quote back to each other every day! Thank you so much for the incredibly important historical work you do. Can't wait for your next documentary, Kevin.
You look just like i thought you would!
I’ve been watching your videos for years and never knew your name until watching this 😂 you put out amazing content, you’re the only proper way to learn theme park history.
I love your avatar. It's half way between the 2 state plus lip flaps lio convoy uses, and the camera driven live full motion avatars sometimes used by someone like sarafina. It's very appropriate to the Kevin online persona. Are you puppeteering the arms with keyboard commands or some other method? I note three states of arm movement, carefully selected to the types of comments you express. Very skillfull. I'm only surprised it doesn't look like brad pitt.
Also the head moves that sometimes Bob sideways slightly are awesome
I LOST it when Kevin tried to explain The Wiggles to Adam. Adam, how on Earth have you escaped the Wiggles?!
Maybe it's a US thing. I'm from London and I have never heard of The Wiggles
@@monzorella1 Australian
They were described to me as "four guys who decided to use their Early Childhood Development degrees to conquer the world."
@@chadsmith3363 that’s amazing!
Two things:
1. Someone needs to animate the wiggles section of this video
2. Wiggles knowledge is directly indexed to age and whether or not you or your friends have children. I only know about the Wiggles because a friend has a child.
Hearing this convo, I realize that explaining The Wiggles to someone who has never heard of them sounds insane. “YOU DONT KNOW FRUIT SALAD YUMMY YUMMY?!?!”
"Adam Conover doesn't know The Wiggles," has changed my brain chemistry, as well as how I view his entire body of work. Kevin Perjurer has once again revealed an earth-shattering truth that the world needs to know!
Ain't that right! It really proves there is always something new to learn.
He was one of the 10,000.
1:03:53 the wiggles conversation begins, and adam reveals he doesn't know what the wiggles are. That conversation is almost exactly what happened to me with my partner as kevin and me as adam staring blankly as he says 'you don't know toot toot chugga chugga big red car?'
You're the hero on this thread
“u dont know fruit salad yummy yummy? 🤨”
I love how the interview was going pretty professional, and then just goes off the rails the second Kevin mentions The Wiggles
Watching Adam, who is supposed to know everything, learn about WigglesMania live was truly the best piece of media of this decade.
Joe Rogan already exposed that Adam in fact knows very little
@@bkinder83 I wouldn't trust Joe Rogan to read a clock
@@bkinder83weird, since Adam's most famous "informing the masses" show has sources cited on screen for everything he says, and Joe Rogan just..... Says things. And Adam issued corrections when he was wrong, and Joe.... Doesn't.
But sure, Joey "proved" something. Sure bud
i love how shy kevin is at first and then he completely comes out of his shell while explaining the wiggles
He wiggles out of his shell.
The type of freak he is finally emerged lol
It fills me with joy to see Adam learn about the Wiggles for the first time. Murray, the red Wiggle, was at my parents wedding. Everyone in Australia knows the Wiggles. Personally.
Hard not to, Austrailia is like 2.7 million square klicks of desert and like 40 people. The Wiggles at any given time in their history have been 10% of the population.
You have the Wiggles, Kath and Kim, and the Irwins! All the best media and people. As an American, I'm jealous! You have the best culture.
@@weirdferretthing Yep I saw them live once at a Christmas carols IIRC 2003. Beyond 10% of Aussies seems more likely.
@@meghangriesemer1129 **Australians smiling and nodding while pushing bogans and Murdoch under the rug**
Can we all just take a second to appreciate Kevin's avatar and the fact that his background has a timelapse from day to night as the conversation evolves?
Thank you for pointing out the day/night change. That's an amazing detail.
Kevin's series on Jim Hensen is one of my favorite things on RUclips. His deep dive into Walt Disney's inspirations leading up to Disneyland is also fascinating.
The Jim Henson series is one of my favorites too
Fun fact: Jeff sleeps because he was nervous about performing in front of kids, and waking adults up is a really empowering thing for kids to do
They also suggested he do it as a way to connect with kids more since he had the least experience with kids out of all of them
I was drawn to Defunctland because my grandfather was part of an engineering team that worked on a bunch of Epcot attractions back when they were first built, including Spaceship Earth and The Living Seas.
The sad nostalgia I felt when Living Seas became Finding Nemo themed hit me weirdly hard, and I always wished there were more people who cared about the old rides.
And Defunctland is clearly working from a similar mindset, putting down some of the best content on RUclips.
My great-grandfather was a contractor on EPCOT and my grandfather was an on-site supervisor. I'd completely forgotten about it until I went there for my first time this past December. I saw things that I'd heard stories about and wheels started turning.
When I watched the Disney channel jingle video, I remember crying at the end reveal. I honestly think he should submit something to a film festival someday. He's such a wonderful storyteller.
I was cracking up when you got derailed by Adam's lack of Wiggles knowledge. This was a great episode. ❤❤
You can't expect him to know every spin-off of 80's pub rock bands
I absolutely love Defunctland; Kevin's work is amazing. What a wonderful episode
Why is Mickey talking like that???
So glad to see Kevin getting into VTubing.
I guess I could say Defunctland is my oshi now lol
Defunctland is one of those channels I’ll never unsubscribe from. Always putting out great content. Such an unexpected and amazing guest, I love it!
Agreed
The thing that made Perjurer's doc on the Disney theme so memorable for me, was another happy accident. His video came out within days or weeks of hbomberguy releasing his video on the Minecraft oof sound. Both ended up being stories that got away from these creators in their depth and scope, but landed on opposite ends of the creativity spectrum, While Kevin found and brought to light someone deserving of praise for their work, and so did Harry, Harry had no choice but to end up focusing on the man who went to fantastical efforts to claim credit for work that wasn't his, and hide the legacy of those that really did the work. Watching both stories in succession really brought them into amazing contrasting focus. One time the Youttube algorithm didn't fail me.
small correction, it was the roblox oof
The Wiggles derailing this interview was one of the funniest things I've ever watched 😂🙌🏻❤️
I expected a Brad Pitt photo (Which is Kevin's actual appearance) but this works too. Next to Dan Olson this was one of the biggest surprise Factually episodes!
For some reason, I was expecting a VTuber.
@@ericb.4313
Is this not a Kevin V-Tuber?
If it makes you feel better, there's no reason you can't pretend it's Brad Pitt from Deadpool 2 wearing a Defunctland Mousketeer costume.
I expected a photo of tom selleck to be a cheeky reference to meet the robinsons
I've been jumpscared by it so often that I expected Kevin to be cosplaying as Michael Eisner
The way my jaw dropped when I saw a Factually crossover with Defunctland!
Same!
TWO RUclipsRS ON ONE RUclips VIDEO?!?!?!?!?!?!?
The break down during the wiggles moment is truly the HARDEST I've laughed in perhaps a couple weeks!! Absolutely EXCELLENT interview here, wonderful to see Kevin talk abt the process of his work!
I am CRYING 😂😂😂
Even if you didn't watch the Wiggles as a late 90s kid or were old enough to have children watching it, they were a pretty big phenomenon in the US (children's shows arena), as big as maybe Arthur, Blues Clues, Barney, or Dora the Explorer which I'd imagine Adam would know of. Perhaps if he saw a photo to jog his memory.
Like, I was an adult by the time the Wiggles got huge, but even I had heard through social osmosis that "The Wiggles is some kind of children's band?" I definitely didn't understand just how deep the mania went until I watched the Defunctland video about it.
I'm 100% sure everything he does is played up for exaggeration. That or the dude is the epitomy of "I lived in a privilege bubble away from the plebians and their childish entertainment"
Adam is my exact age and until recent adulthood I had never heard of the Wiggles as a US phenomenon; only as a joke I heard in the UK about them when I lived there. He genuinely and easily simply missed it. We're too old for it, as well as too young (having been older teens in the late 90s). Same reason he has zero context for the Disney Channel theme--same as me, A Poor who did not grow up with cable. Plenty of pop culture is not universal, and it's actually MORE interesting to probe into *why* people of various ages/background don't know about something that seems super obvious to you.
My absolute first experience with "the wiggles" was hearing about them through this very video. I had no idea, and I wasn't even an adult during their rise in the US. It's fascinating just how completely divided the culture is on this. I started asking friends of mine and they absolutely have heard of them. Blows my mind!
Kevin is one of the best doc makers we have. I had zero experience with that era of the Disney Channel, and his documentary made me cry. Every time he releases a new video is a holiday. Thank you for showcasing Defunctland and Kevin.
Defunctlands work is beautiful. Frequently they bring a tear to my eye either through sweet nostalgia or the appreciation of people who work hard for the things they love
The episode with the Disney chime hit hard at the end. It was quite beautiful.
We can't shout out bumpers / interstitial videos without giving serious respect to the folks from Adult Swim. Their bumpers in the 00s were incredible. Not from a visual artistry perspective, but from a meta comedy perspective and the esoteric music they promoted.
PREACH
It was an amazing time. I used to mainly watch Saturday nights during the anime blocks and that’s where I was introduced to the likes of Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist and other series I hadn’t heard of. Those bumpers were on another level of creativity and had such an amazing vibe. Years ago I went down a rabbit hole educating myself on some of the musical artists that were featured in those obscure bumpers, finding songs like ‘At Last’ by Psyche Origami among others.
You, right
AS was great for people who were older. But the late 80s early 90s Saturday Morning bumpers were classics. After these messages we’ll be right back.
I still quote GIGANTOR!
I remember being the first guest on his podcast from Defunctland for the late Disaster Studios at Universal Orlando. Kevin was amazing and very humble before, during and after the interview.
We desperately need a reaction video of Adam watching a performance of the Wiggles, and then the absolute nightmare fuel Wiggles “costumes” at Dreamland from the Defunctland video. If Kevin, and the rest of us, had to suffer through that, so should Adam. 😅
Have him react to the wiggles puppets lol
Defunctland is so great. Ive barely been to any theme parks but his videos are so engrossing. I watched that entire video on the history of standing in lines, almost 2 hrs, in one go lol.
His series on Muppets is the best way to get into his videos
No it isnt
@@fuzzydumpling9829what is your opinion?
@@LorneGrimmer That it isnt
@@fuzzydumpling9829Cool story, bro.
@@fuzzydumpling9829genuine question, what do you think is the best episode/series to get into defunctland? I adore the muppet series (duh) but I can definitely see others that are just as, if not more, accessible
I was Australian child who grew up with the wiggles, and it was not until this podcast that I considered how wild it would be to explain the wiggles to someone who had no context. Like this group of guys had a rock band but they were childhood educators so they made a group and they sing about potatoes and salad.
I think Kevin’s Disney theme video should be nominated for an academy award. I am not even joking.
I've tried to put it on for background noise a couple times after I watched it the first time and I always end up stopping and properly watching and listening after a certain point. It's captivating and I cry by the end each time. It's truly a beautiful work of documentary filmmaking
I think you can see Kevin's mind break a little through the avatar when Adam reveals he has never heard of the wiggles
Kevin expalining The Wiggles to Adam is my new favorite thing on the internet
Honestly a little disappointed that it wasn't a badly animated Brad Pitt pic filling in for Kevin's secret identity.
I LOVE that you’re recognizing Kevin and his work. His artistry is absolutely incredible.
I was also introduced to the Wiggles by Defunctland, so I found Adam's mental breakdown very relatable. It's weird, because I've heard of the Teletubbies and I bet he has, too.
This was a really fun and also interesting time to hear Kevin’s perspective on their work. Adam hearing about the Wiggles for the first time and Kevin’s reaction to that absolutely killed me. Great episode lol.
Kevin must have heard me in my room watching the wiggles video and literally screaming "Yessss YESSSSS" during the exact part of the video he pointed out where people would be having that reaction. I ended up way too excited for that wiggles video lmfao.
Love the Background transition from blue skies to sunset for Defunctland's Icon, Nice Touch! Also Defunctland is a true artist and one of the most talented creators on the platform .
Some other channel I like on YT Not Just Bikes, Climate Town, Second Thought, Todd in the Shadows, and weird History to name a few. I've watched the great Defunctland channel many times.
Thanks for this!
Not Just Bikes is suuuch a good channel. I really think Adam would get a kick out of talking to NJB
I was about to say Second Thought would be a stretch, but that's actually a perfect guest for this podcast
Todd in the Shadows is great.
Climate town is the bessst. We need more comedy/climate information. Olifrost makes great climate themed comedy music in a similar vein
Adam learning about the wiggles is the best part of any of his podcasts
That description of the wiggles was the most ADHD thing I've ever heard and I loved every second
"I can't believe you talked about them for a full five minutes and this is the first time you mentioned 'oh, they actually wiggled tho!'"
"They're called 'The Wiggles'... I can't feed it all to you with a spoon."
This is top-tier content, Mr. Perjurer was very right to be excited to explore this topic with Adam.
Adam's genuine confusion over not knowing who The Wiggles are absolutely sent me, I laughed that entire segment. Defunctland's videos were one of my saving graces during quarantine, so it's great to see two wonderful people on the same show. Great episode!
Love that you had Kevin on. His documentary on the Disney Channel Theme was truly one of the best films I watched last year.
Kevin Perjurer is on of the most amazing documentarians on RUclips today. Can you believe he made a 1 hour 42 minute long episode about the history of Disney’s FastPass system that was so interesting I’ve watched it THREE TIMES?
All his content is amazing and I’ve watched every single one of Defunctland’s videos at least once.
Me too! It’s so soothing and engaging
Never in my life would I think I would see the worlds 2 best debunkers in the same podcast. LETS GOOO!!!!
Adam is such a child of the 80s that nothing in media from 1997-2014 exists in his world. (Also I feel like maybe he would’ve gotten it quicker if Kevin mentioned early on that it was a kids show)
Defunctland’s video essay about The Disney Fastpass is one of the best documentaries of all time.
Love it when you have my favourite RUclipsrs on here! Now you just need to bring PhilosophyTube, Lindsay Ellis, Sarah Z, Thought Slime, and Jenny Nicholson 😂
Dude.... Adam Conover x thought slime would be something I would literally pay money for. Im seeing the new wave of youtube collaborations and I am 100% down with it
Oh, and Shawn of course!
@@user-kz8zr4si3i right??? I’d die
I am a major fan of ever other person you listed, but I have never heard of Thought Slime in my life, which means I need to check it out immediately, so thank you, kind stranger!
@@thetoxicfanbase4756 you’re very welcome! You’ll love them! Very interesting political and media commentary
When I 1st came across, 'DefunctLand', I was shocked - so much info, on so specific a topic, & made so interesting!
It's wonderful work. Kevin also helped promote a documentary about the made-for-Disney rock band Halyx, which was similarly incredible.
So happy to see Adam giving Kevin more recognition! His work is amazing. The ending of his last piece just broke me. Never would have imagined something so heartfelt coming out of a few notes on the scale.
kevin's complete and utter confusion about adam not knowing who the wiggles are is so funny. i lost it at "you don't know fruit salad yummy yummy?" 😭😂 it's even funnier to me because i know who the wiggles are but i never watched it, so sadly, i also don't know fruit salad yummy yummy. 😅
Serious, excellent interviews with a person represented by a Mickey Mouse avatar. What a time to be alive.
Adam x Kevin Perjurer? Now this is the ultimate crossover I never knew I needed!
I was about to say the same thing! I figured that someone else had beat me to it.
I never cared about the wiggles, but Kevin is so interesting in his videos that I still watch. Need more content creators like him!
Defunctland is one of the very best content on RUclips. Each entry is great, with real shout-outs to the essay about the history of the fast pass and the history of who write the Disney Channel theme. The depth and research is top tier.
We had a hand in kickstarting the theme park niche with Defunctland, among other channels. It’s truly remarkable to see how far Kevin has come. Bravo to him! 👏
My favorite part of the Wiggles conversation is how Adam very much seems to believe the wiggles are a niche interest and he is in the majority who won't know who they are 😂
That is also what ticked me about it 😂😂
Defunctland is hands down one of the best channels on the internet and I've been a huge fan for years. So glad to see this collab!
I absolutely understand the wistfulness of the past that you talk about.
I really wanted to be a dolphin trainer at Marineland in Palos Verdes, CA. Unfortunately, they closed while I was in 8th grade and, after the owners killed 1/3 of the animals transported to Sea World San Diego, it destroyed my dreams by the cruelty and callousness inflicted by Harcourt, Brace & Jovanovich.
Would love for @Defunctland to tell Marineland's storied history.
I love the very subtle effect that his animated background changes time of day over the course of the interview.
And the clouds slowly drifting.
I am so happy. It's my two favourite RUclips people coming together. Defunctland is such a safe space for me on the internet
I've been watching Defunctland videos for a few years. Love what he does, and I can't wait to see his next video.
I have been a fan of Kevin Perjurer when "Defunctland" was a project to build a virtual theme park filled with attractions that no longer exist. His video on the Snow White wrap party is probably the video I share the most on this platform. I was a casual Disney fan, but after I started watching Defunctland I branched out to other theme park vid creators, videos of people exploring parts of Disney that are closed to the public/abandoned, criticism of older Disney movies, etc. I will admit, however, that one thing I was excited about when I saw the interview was maybe seeing what Mr. Perjurer looks like. :(
His mini series on Henson is amazing..been a fan since the Disaster Transport video.
He is without a doubt one of the best documentarian and content providers there is.
Glad he didn't give his appearance up..Like El Santo.
My favorite video of his has to be Walts Company feild day..just love that story.
The history of Coney Island and his deep deep dive into Disney's fast pass evolution are also top tier.
He uses all the flourishes of great videos to tell the long crazy history of that industrie and America through the 20th century.and beyond.
Adam acting like KEVIN is the weird one during the Wiggles Revelation will never get old
Huge fan of Defunctland. My most common comment after watching one is about the quality of the writing and production. I don't think anyone has done a better, more respectful story of Jim Henson, on his DefunctTV channel.
I love Kevin's work. It is wonderfully niche. I work in unscripted TV and I've done a bunch of shows on Amusement Parks and Coasters and I thought I knew a lot about them. I have learned so much from Defucntland! I was raving about the Disney Channel ID video to my family, and I could not convince them of how truly fascinating the video is.
I'm with Adam on the Disney Channel Theme episode. A topic that I had no nostalgic connection to, but that I found unbelievably fascinating thanks to Kevin.
My favorite types of documentaries are the ones where a simple premise balloons beyond the original scope and reveals more and more as the documentarian continues pulling the thread.
Kevin is amazing. Defunctland makes some of the best video essays out there and I lose my mind every time I rewatch the Fastpass video.
I didn't know that I needed Kevin patiently explaining an Australian children's musical group to Adam in my life, but now I have it I'm so damn happy it exists
Im so happy you asked about the Disney theme, its one of my all time favorite videos on RUclips and so cool to hear the back story on it and cant wait to see the newest one he's working on! Iv never been a disney kid like you, a little too old and was die hard Nickelodeon kid but i love learning and watching Kavins content about it! ❤❤❤
LOVE Defunctland. Among the top documentarians on RUclips, along with Bobby Broccoli and Jon Bois.
can we not? Nick Robinson literally got fired from Polygon for sexually harassing people, and he admitted it.
@@MelMelodyWerner I... was not aware of that. Thanks for letting me know. I almost didn't include him just because his content is not really documentary style in terms of length and scope, even though it is in terms of presentation and research level. After your comment, easy call to edit mine to leave him out.
@@Sam_on_RUclips all good, it happens. just bothers me when I see people talking about him like he's harmless.
Thanks Kevin for the respect to all the creatives behind these places. As a designer working for a theme park, I've spent most of my career being an unseen aspect of the industry. We always appreciate when people get excited about what we do ❤
Thank you for your service!
Interesting fact regarding the point made about the walk-able nature of Buffalo, NY: Buffalo's park and parkway system was designed by famed landscape architect Frederick Law Olmsted. His portfolio includes famous parks and zoos like Central Park in NYC, Prospect Park in Brooklyn, Cadwalader Park in Trenton, NJ, and the Niagara Falls Reservation state park. The radial layout of the city itself was designed by Joseph Ellicott, based on the original 1791 design for Washington DC (itself loosely based on Paris). Unfortunately, a lot of the surrounding towns and suburbs fell prey to the other (in)famous civil architect, Robert Moses. Thankfully, Buffalo is slowly undoing a lot of the damage that Moses did and re-implementing a lot of the parkways and walk-able spaces that were replaced by express ways and highways in the 1940s and 50s.
This whole thing is an absolute goddamn delight, top to bottom. The ultimate crossover I never expected. Thank you, thank you, thank you both.
I have enjoyed Defunctland for quite a while now and it is great to hear the creator interviewed. Great respect!
I feel like I've learned so much about so many different topics from Defunctland's channel! I remember the Adam Ruins Everything episode about videos games. It sounds like that may have been one of his favorite episodes.
Great episode, It was insightful and funny also. As somebody who was forcibly subjected to hours upon hours of the wiggles , that portion of the podcast was absolutely hysterical.
The "somebody wanted to make this" immediately made me think of the TV show community, and how much the early years of that show felt like Dan Harmon's will manifest, even though it was made by a writer's room. Most tv shows I see have a plurality of voices, but this one stands out in my mind of a 21st century example of the one man doing his thing.
This person (and two others) are the reason I wantto make video essays. So I really love this interview. I think this is the first time I havent just played a podcast in the background. I was actively hanging on each topic.
Someone tell Adam about Nebula
Absolutely lost it at the Wiggles segment
So happy you had Kevin on, his documentaries are amazing
Kevin’s videos got me through the pandemic. His fastpass video remains one of my favourite pieces of media ever (including movies, TV shows, music, etc), and the Disney channel theme song video made me weep. Defunctland is filed under “this shouldn’t be free” in my recommendations of video essays.
This is the crossover event I never knew I needed. Adam learning about the Wiggles was one of the best things. Adam Learns New Things is a show I would 100% watch.
coolest crossover ever!!
This crossover made my Wednesday!!
This is so cool, so proud of you Kevin!!!! Been watching Defunctland for the longest time and im so happy to see him blowing up more 😊
Sehnsucht
Is the German word that most closely relates to what we call nostalgia in English. In Old High German it translates to "sickness of the painful craving".
Nostalgia
Greek origin; Nostos (return, home), and Algos (pain) roughly means to feel acute homesickness in the moment.
There is a melancholic longing to Defunctland documentaries that sits with you but the occasional well-timed joke helps to break it up and make it bearable. Thanks for the content guys.
I didn't know who the Wiggles are either, thank you so much for this interaction lmao
Haven't watched this yet, but I've never clicked on a video so fast. Two of my favorite creators together? Yes, please.
listening to kevin is very soothing hes very soft and well spoken
I’m glad Kevin noted that our concept of the 50s is based on the 80s. I’ve been thinking about that a lot since Paul Reubens’s passing. I have a deep love of the 80s but not the usual love people have. It’s not He-Man and Madonna, it’s the B-52s and Pee-Wee Herman. The 80s that were an over saturated funhouse mirror of the 50s and early 60s. Half of goth rock is straight up just surf rock.
THE CROSSOVER I NEVER KNEW I NEEDED
Loved these two for at least a decade. Even just the first 2 min with Adam talking about Kevin had me so happy and hype lol
46:37 I think Adam's point about the reappraisal of George Lucas and the prequels applies to Michael Eisner as well. As Disney's CEO, Eisner was a powerful guy with a lot of weird ideas, some of which were fantastic and others not so much. But even his blunders have been reevaluated in a positive manner because that sort of unleashed risktaking is arguably a better creative strategy than what we have seen for nearly 20 years under Bob Iger, that being a more corporate approach with several colossal acquisitions and a heavy focus on franchises and existing intellectual property.
I also loved it when Kevin tried to explain the Wiggles to Adam. Now I hope Adam will go to Defunctland and listen to the Wiggles episode.
Defunctland is one of my favorite RUclips channels. I really hope Adam watches that Wiggles documentary, because it's fantastic.
The sheer gut punch of "They had underlying health issues that were exacerbated by the wiggling" will never be replicated