PHEV Hybrid cars in 2024 - Hybrid Range is now perfect for most!
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Hi All, I was going through the Hybrid car market for 2024 and EV Hybrid range sees some great gains with the VW Tiguan at 70 EV miles!
What are your plans this year secondhand or New PHEV Hybrid or Full Electric?
I should have my new Hybrid here soon and look forward to bringing you more content!.
Richard
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I had a BMW 2 series active tourer 2023 with a range of just over 60 miles. Wonderful, you’re also told only to charge these batteries to 80% . But my battery very quickly degraded and my range dropped to about 40 miles and BMW said there was nothing wrong.
Totally agree, I don't know why the government didn't push hybrid until the charging network was ready & EV cars were more tested.
I personally think self charging hybrids, are the way to go but that’s just my personal opinion,and I do like the Audi sat nav when it fills the dash, with two small clocks it’s less distracting when driving
Great and informative video as always. I have 2023 Mercedes 300e plug in hybrid, 70 mile battery range and 2L petrol engine. Ideal for me for daily runs on battery and occasional long runs. 2.5 hours full charge on 7.4 home charger. Loved my RR Evoque 2020 but all the negativity around JLR effectively forced me to change but glad I did as Merc is great drive and economical. Keep up the great work!!
Hybrid the near future- 10 years 👍🏻 your videos highlight that .. thank you
The best thing about a PHEV is the Internal Combustion Engine.
wise guy ?
i couldn't agree more. who wants to spend their life working their car around their life. we got rid of horses so we didn't need to do that.
I sold my 2016 XC90 T8 PHEV after 3 years. Lovely car and great around town with a 17-20 electric range but expensive to maintain and averaged 35mpg over 3 years.
Driving in France in January, it was minus 5 and with 5 of us in the car with luggage I only managed 29.6mpg on the way down and 26.9 on the way back!
I bought a 2021 Toyota Camry self charging hybrid in March and first the 3 tanks I have averaged 550 miles with a 53.9 mpg driving mainly on motorways. Very happy with that 😊
Totally agree. I have a PHEV and for us, in EV mode, the car does 95% of our journeys.
A longer run uses the engine to give around 500 miles total range.
No anxiety, no problem finding a petrol pump (if you actually need one).
I went for the Seat Leon FE e hybrid which in summer is telling me I've got 42 miles range across town.
You can pick these up new from £26K and are basically a VW Golf GTE.
I've seen some comments by EVangelists that say plug in hybrids are the worst of both, but I disagree. I think they're the best of both.
It's like having two cars in one. An EV around town and a petrol for longer journeys.
Another criticism is that you're carrying around an engine everywhere which blunts the economy.
I still get 55mpg on a motorway journey even with a flat EV battery.
The car weighs 1550Kg compared to 1800kg for an ID.3. Why carry around a very heavy battery if most journeys are short?
The government should be pushing for plug in hybrids and eyeing up full EVs.
But, the charging infrastructure badly needs to catch up and home charging isn't easy for 10s of millions of households.
That's what really needs addressing.
I'm considering a Renault Austral. It's a full hybrid.
Full hybrids make sense.
After running a mild hybrid for a few years, I think that they are a waste of time and exist only to make up the ‘ev’ numbers.
My B4 Mild Hybrid XC40 was no more economical than the T4 Petrol and had awful brake feel.
I mean, Really bad brake feel.
And the seat pad was so thin on the ‘Pro’ models that anyone over 6 stone actually sat on a hard piece of plastic.
That aside, the rest of the car was beautiful.
Very keen to buy the mercedes GLC 300e. 82 miles WLTP range or the C class saloon variant. Grate range!
Hey Richard, just thinking about hybrid cars. Once the battery wears out and the motor weakens, it doesn't really help much anymore - it turns into deadweight. Then, the car isn’t as efficient as the manufacturers claim, because you’re hauling around all that extra weight. Doesn’t really seem like hybrids are the future of driving, does it? What do you think?
they still have 8y warranty and of course being smaller batteries, should be cheaper to replace (in theory, ask me in 10 yrs :) )
Hi- I think you do need warranty with these hybrids, thats for the next video. The degrade does not seem that much on the Hybrids we have used so far, but it is a lot smaller battery than full EV. I will look more into the numbers
@@Challengetheroad Hi Richard! Yah, a warranty definitely sounds like a smart move for hybrids. It’s interesting to hear that the degradation hasn’t been too significant in your experience, especially with the smaller battery compared to full EVs. Looking forward to seeing what the numbers say in your next video! Keep me posted.👍
Hybrid is a bridge. Economics will show most assuredly that 20 moving drivetrain parts vs 2000 drivetrain parts will position EVs as the value proposition. That, and the cost of maintenance and reliability will eventually tip the scales.
I’ve had several Lexus hybrid’s- without doubt the best was a LS600hl
It was a 5 litre Long wheel base Sedan and on a long drive on the motorway I was easily doing 30mpg and around London on electric! A big mistake changing it for my RCF
My wife is running a Audi Q5 Diesel but we would be interested in a Q5 Hybrid
My Toyota Yaris cross non plug in hybrid does about 50/50 without the inconvenience of having to plug in and getting about 74.1 mpg.😁
Had an EV 3 years...( e2008) too many issues, now have a mild hybrid and changing soon to full hybrid. Considered PHEV but full hybrid will work best for me.
Thanks for that vid, great content and info. I'm the same as you re the need to only have PHEV vehicles and full ICE to buy. I think you're correct that when the range gets to 100 miles then the flood gates will open to buyers. I'm currently looking at the same Q5 as yours but the performance model in a local Audi dealers but my only issue is that I tow a twin axle caravan that my current LR Discovery Sport Diesel pulls with ease. Might just take a trip down to the dealer and discuss the pros and cons.
Hi Philip, only problems we have had with Audi Q5 is Air suspension twice rear dampers. Although both times under warranty, it did take some time to have it done.
Towing should be no issue, q5 has 2 tonne tow weight, we pull a van and car with our XC60, petrol and EV work well together for a lovely 455bhp/523lbs of torque, don't notice the weight behind me and no range issues towing as it has a 70 litre tank so even a poor mid 20s mpg towing gives hundreds of miles range, Audi will likely be the same.
if you want a phev to have so much battery range just get an ev.charging every night and going fro petrol ? who can be arsed doing that.
I look upon phevs as battery assistance for better economy or performance, not as a low range ev. Id just run it in hybrid mode. Ev range is just too short and the everyday charge will wear out th battery much quicker than a ev. If you want an ev buy an ev.
New car a BMW 3 or 5 series 530e or 330e? Both very popular and lots of them in the road. They seem to offer great good range and combination of EV and petrol seems very good value running in hybrid mode.
Very good guess 🤣🤦♂️
Don't you all cry like babies that EVs don't achieve their full range when it's cold and you're scared to charge them over 80%. So how is 60 miles of WLTP range on a hybrid going to be any use when that's more like 20 in the winter on an 80% charge? No one can be arsed to plug in their hybrid and you just end up with a heavy, inefficient ICE car. Pointless.
Can you drive it as mild hybrid as well?
Hybrid what's the point of that most people just don't bother plugging them in and drive on petrol everywhere.
We run an xc60 t8 with 15kw usable, which gives 36 miles average (+/- 6 summer/winter spread due to EV nonsense variability) lovely car, seems weird we spend out time on a 145bhp ev motor on such an expensive car but around town, it is all we need. biggest problem with bigger batteries is more weight, our car is 2.1 tonnes, that is heavy, what they really need is to be is more efficient, more range on that same small batteries, not compromising car boots etc with bigger batteries.
I think the Tesla Y proves that batteries and EVs don't have to compromise space!
@@grantrandall1674 but can it tow 2000kg 200+ miles on a run, nope, so would never make any shortlist of mine, mine has two drive trains is the size of a model 3 and can do that with little compromises plus be a eco city car in EV mode.
@grantrandall1674 why do I feel EVangelists try to disapprove a PHEV?
@@dayoadeosun1520 what I was trying to say was PHEVs are not the permanent answer as the video seems to suggest (do you really think they'll be the answer in 20 years time?) and I'm not even evangelist and don't even have an EV yet but I don't see the point of a phev unless you don't have the possibility of home charging or do a lot of towing. But even then, When I replace my 10yr old 308 next year I intend to get an EV6 awd specifically for towing a 1600kg caravan because I will need a 'p' more often than the car needs charging!
Based on others experience with a large caravan, In route planning I expect to allow up to 135 miles on the first leg with 100% charge, and on subsequent legs, 120 miles based on a 92% charge. The charge top ups should be less than 20 minutes on average.
@@adhsmith1601 When I replace my 10yr old Peugeot 308 next year I intend to get an EV6 awd specifically for towing a 1600kg caravan (the maximum for that car) because I will need a 'p' more often than the car needs charging!
Based on others experience with a large caravan, In route planning I expect to allow up to 135 miles on the first leg with 100% charge, and on subsequent legs, 120 miles based on a 92% charge. The charge top ups should be less than 20 minutes on average. Hardly an inconvenience and hopefully most towing at night should allow me to pull into deserted chargers and park across multiple bays. I'm absolutely certain that an EV will provide more chilled out driving for me than a ICE car can! I would expect a hybrid engine to be running nearly all the time while towing.
Hybrid suits most people's needs unless you do crazy miles a day
Try a Rav 4 Prime 😊
When PHEVs get 100 miles electric range, 90% of EV sales die: cold weather range would be about 60 miles.
💯- I think we are almost there 35/75 is good for me, you could charge them again on the same day too
Wow..that Audi is looking super dated on the exterior...especially in the thumbnail
Richard, come on, the steering wheel is always on the same side, it’s hardly annoying, just because you can’t remember where the charge point is, it’s not the cars problem, it doesn’t move does it hehe, bless you. I get it, but come on. Another fab video. Cheers.
🤣 It’s annoying and the Cats 🐈 normally in the way too 🤣
evening slim, this mean the garden centre cafe going bust? 😂
I think so! I haven’t been in one for 2 weeks now 🤣
What you are buying a Honda Jazz ❗️. Seriously I have a Type R and could not believe how good it was ❗️❗️🇬🇧
I keep looking at Type R!
Not sure I could take advice from someone who can’t seem to even organise a home charger. After months of complaining you end up with a slow charger with a cable too short for your requirements. Most petrol pumps have long hoses to allow people to get to the required corner of their car. There is no standard placement for petrol/diesel filler caps on cars and vans either!
I bought the lead for Taycan which is now sold, so it does not reach the Audi very well due to its design.
Cant beat a 330e perfect daily
Fyi, nowadays people are JAILED for telling the truth!!
At 2.26secs you talk about the truth... it's the truth as you see it, it's just your opinion. Everyone has their own opinion of what they see as right.
just dont park it at your house or the airport cause its still dangerous and the mining of the batteries is outragous putting KIDS in tunnels in the ground to mine for the minerals which creat the batteries
I will never buy a total EV. PHEV is the way forward
Personally, I see Hybrids as the worst of both worlds not, as many think, the best of both worlds. I had an A3 PHEV as a loaner last year, it was awful. Having driven petrol A3s as loaners previously, the PHEV felt heavy and cumbersome with a much harsher ride in comparison. This is down to the extra weight (400kg over the petrol only A3 - 5 people) of the battery etc. The battery range was around 30 miles driving carefully, and when depleted, the 1.4 petrol engine was left to lug the extra 400kg around by itself with the expected negative effect on MPG. Then there's the maintenance of both the petrol and electric drive trains to consider. The boot space is 100 litres smaller than the petrol, and you have to carry the charging leads in it, together with a smaller fuel tank, makes the PHEV far less practical. Much of the aforementioned is true of a majority of PHEVs which, in my humble opinion, the compromises make them worse than either a petrol or full EV.
Thank you, I like the EV experience when you can drive and have instant torque etc. The boot space I do understand although my Taycan had a small boot. We are not the problem, it’s emissions and if you can only use EV modes through towns etc in the future.
There is no perfect car but a car the fits your situation. I have a prius Excel phev and it meets my motoring needs. Going to shops, school runs, going to church, family get together, I am driving on electric. On longer road trips, I am on hybrid mode. When the traction battery is dead, it just behaves like an efficient hybrid car. The boot space is smaller than the regular hybrid but I never bought the car because of the boot. The full tank too is a bit smaller than the regular hybrid but it still gets abt 550 - 600miles on empty traction battery. Many people that say phev is the worst of both, I noticed one thing about them, they seem to forget that PHEV is not about 0 - 60mph, but about reducing tailpipe emissions while driving around town. It is about maximising available petrol.
the inconvinience of both.poor mpg from ice and poor range from battery (and in winter it will be 20-30 miles).most people wont plug them in EVERY night so you end up with crap ice mpg.if you run it on battery most of the time get an ev and charge it every 2 or 3 weeks,if you run it petrol mostly then just get an ice and full up every 3-4 weeks.just a scam from ice car makers to make people think they are "green"
Hybrids definitely will not be the way forward in another 10 years. Yes I agree for some people it is at the moment especially if they can't charge at home but it won't be long before most new BEVs have batteries you can recharge in 10 minutes to full. In a couple of decades you'll be lucky if you can even find petrol to buy!
The best hybrid is a one they have stop selling in the uk. Volvo v60 polestar engineered.
Had two of them, but the fact is what’s the point. They did 30 miles and now 60 miles. So why not get an ev?
No one is banning anyone. Come on Richard.
SUVs should be banned, they are terrible unless you can’t bend, I think SUVs should be taxed to the moon, they are terrible
I quite like SUVs up that bit higher when driving - That Volvo was a good one
an xc60 suv is smaller than a v60 in length, it's just higher, already the xc60 can't fit in many parking spaces length ways, surely the estate should be banned as it's even longer, has less passenger interior space and weighs much the same ;) :p In terms of efficiency etc, there barely that much difference between the xc60 and v60 as they run the same drivetrains, why should they be taxed differently?