Army Painter Finally Better than Games Workshop | Models and Memories Weekly #81
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- In this episode of Model and Memories Jay talks about the the new Warhammer 30k Horus Heresy Assassins, actually good looking keychains, and Army Painter vowing to make better paint. We have new videos every Monday, Wednesday and Friday! We're streaming Monday-Friday starting at 9PM CST!! JOIN USSSS! Thanks for watching!
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I'm always impressed with how attentive and respectful you're live studio audience is!
I wonder how much it costs to feed and home them.
@@jc7997aj what's more surprising is how they were still allowed in through all the covid lockdowns
Dude I was reading this comment while the video played and at 0:12 I swear Jays eyes started glowing a solid red
I saw Army Painter's video, and all YT cameos aside, what I really liked about it was their genuine interest in the quality of their products and their concern for customer satisfaction.
I wish them all possible success.
Speedpaints over metalics is one of my favorites looks. Brought a lot of life to my Octarius terrain.
Speedpaints mixed with metallics is also pretty neat for a more subtle coloring.
Oh absolutely. I've tried a metallic 'zenithal' a while ago, where i basecoated the whole model in a dark metallic from Vallejo and then went over it with bright silver like you would with a zenithal prime. Worked incredibly well.
Wait till you try Tamyia Clear Gloss Acrylics (X-23 to X-27) over metallics: absolute perfection!
@@Tizzandor That sounds interesting. I have some Deathwatch I wanted to try putting Grim Black Speedpaint over Gun Metal Primer. Maybe a zenithal with Gun Metal and Plate Mail could be cool.
With an airbrush, I used silver base, then went over it with red speedpaint, and gloss clear; easy candy red that looks amazing.
The "dipping in woodstain" was a trick we used back in like 2006, and being from a time and place where washes didn't even really exist it blew my mind. Looking at those models now, I cry over the amount of wonderful models I've ruined XD
100% agree.
Yup, infact that's how Army Painter got started. Making their own stain that was more model friendly.
Definitely not a new trick the dipping technique my dad used to use it in the 80’s
We were using washes ten years before that, we had to mostly make them ourselves though.
Back then Games Workshop had a form of wash that was very strongly pigmented called inks. They were closer to a glaze of sorts, but you could mix and water them down for a wash.
I really enjoyed hearing your experience using army painter paints, I could have listened to you talk about the subject for a lot longer. It was very interesting! Thanks!
I read a story today about a guy in Spain that went into Games Workshop stores and only ever bought paint, one day the manager confronted him and asked why he never bought miniatures. The man responded by saying "I make gaming tables so I only need paint" and the manager scoffed at him and said something like "Oh who's going to buy that..." the guy apparently sells them for 3000 Euros. He ended up never buying paint from them again.
Mind linking the article?
source?
@@AbelDuviant probably "dude, trust me"
"My source is that I made it the fuck up!"
@@AbelDuviant StormX 2233
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I have had a number of interactions with GW staff in the passed, but the one that sticks out to me was just before the pandemic hit us, I was buying supplies (Paint and brushes) at my local store, one of the staff who wasn't at the till cane over and said, he had seen me a few times in there buying paint but not any models, and why was that?. I told him I make gaming tables, and I find it I use the same paint it helps sell the idea of it all being in the same universe and also I get asked to colour match certain things to someone's Army. So he asked did I play? I said no it's not my kinda thing, I love the law the universe building that's about it. He asked how much do I charge for a table I told him, around £2k to £3k depending on what's wanted. He laught and said yeah right, so I showed him my website and rhe table I was working on at the time, his response was, you make all that money off of GW and you don't even buy the anything, as he walked away, he muttered, "what a joke fucking cheapskate.". I then turned to the member of staff at the till and said, I have changed my mind keep the paints, and brought them online.
That third assassin is screaming out for someone to paint it in Deadpool colours! :):)
That's a yikes from me friendo.
My brain went Foot Clan
I think the AP dip washes work well (kinda) for historical wargamers that painted their Civil War or Napoleonic's with enamel paint. I've always liked AP paints. I've never found them wanting to the point where I wished I spent more for a different brand.
I like the accuracy of the sculpt of the bolt rifle. It even has mold lines.
The Army Painter Varnish is perfect for small historical miniatures. Like 20mm ww2 soldiers pc the plastics are usually not good at holding paint so you can seal it up and make it look better imo
The chaos chainaxe, is indeed sharp😂 bought it for my keychain and quickly moved over to my black legion carrying case
I like Army painter supplies like their mini measuring tape that has anything you could need in a measuring tape and more... Their green stuff is great and I have their drill bits with are nice.
One of my favorite aspects of The Army Painter as a company is how willing they seem to be to listen to their customers and community. I can also find their stuff EVERYWHERE locally.
The Adamus Clade Assassins is based on an ancient 'Assassin and combi-weapon' miniature from 1991 (assassin 072117/28).
The 3rd one is a clear update of the original Assassin model. Before they had specialist orders.
Demonic Yellow is wow! Strong wash are great! My son @11 in his painting adventures with imperial fist "army painter is really good paints." We need to get some speed paints
The only paint from The Army Painter that I hated was Jungle Green. Even while brand new, and throughly mixed, it has the consistency of slime that just wont behave like any other paint.
The original 4 redone assassin moulds came in a box game called executors judgement, Jacked up price 250 Aud from memory which basically was for the assassins and the game was an afterthought just to maximise the release
Yeah Army Painter paints have always been odd in that they really are fine, but the Medium and the Pigment REALLY like to separate. So you have the shake the holy hell out of them to get them to work properly. If the paints are all getting agitators then that solves the main problem with them compared to Vallejo or Scale-75.
Just wanted to say that you're the sole reason I slightly know something about 40k. Your content is super!
Like 20+ years ago there was "The Dip". You used Minwax Polyshades black and dipped the whole model in it. You'd dab off the excess and let it dry standing up.
The "wood stain" method has been around since the early 1980's. The trick was to NOT mix them before use. Also, mixing paint/ink with Future (now Pledge) floor finish was used and called a "magic wash" since the mid-late 1980's.
RE: washes -
I have used washes since the 1970's - they were enamel and/or oil washes back then. Oil washes are still popular; enamel only in modeler/train realms.
25:30 S'tan. Kinda flipped back and forth on it for a while, but what solidified it was a podcast talking about ancient Semitic religions and they brought up Satan (really, the enemy, which was more of a category than single being), but they were using an archaic pronunciation which was with the emphasis on the second syllable (S-tahn instead of SAYtan or SAYt'n).
That and there was this old Necron conspiracy theory from 3rd ed that Leviathan and Behemoth were being driven forth by C'Tan (both classic Satans, as well as The Deceiver and The Dragon). Back when GW had their own official forums that were a shitshow. Good times.
I use dry pigment powders when dry brushing. I usually use a quick coat of matte varnish and while it's still a little tacky I used the pigment powders. Works really great.
That ninja looking Assassin is actually based on an old model.
The double eagle head is a symbol of empires, and many countries have used it as a symbol. Currently the country of Albania has it as their flag.
I am fairly new to the hobby, and have been cramming warhammer 40k like I was studying for an exam, but after I found your channel, this is all I watch. Keep up the good work sir!
I agree with your observations on the Army Painter washes. They are direct successors to the original GW Washes of Badab Black, Gryphhone Sepia and Devlan Mud. However, I disagree with the Demonic Yellow. I cannot get any bottle of it, nor the spray, to layer well. I have moved onto AK Interactive Yellow and Dark yellow.
I’m excited to see your new place when you move! I always love your energy in your videos. Keep up the great work!
Ammo by Mig has the Dio drybrush range. It has a gel medium to prevent chalkiness. White, yellow sand and basalt grey would cover most of your requirements.
Yeah, they are really good, affordable and big pots. The bright silver has a beautiful shine.
@@nikotillmann9764 good to know. I haven't yet purchased any but they're on the watch list.
You mentioned that Army painter speed paint cures and won't reactivate after a day. That hasn't been experienced. I waited over a week to put a wash on some goblins that I only used speed paint on and it reactivated immediately. That being said, I have seen that some colors are better than others for this, and I don't find it to be that big of a deal as I can just adjust what I'm doing with the model.
I have some speed paint and it's been sat on my mixing try dryed out for months and it still reactivates to this day
I didn't know there was a competition
AMMO makes a line of dry paints called "Dio Drybrush Paint". May be worth your time to scope out. I have a few myself but haven't had a project to put them through their paces yet
Same. But I rarely dry brush these days, relying on oils to do 99% of the work!
I dig them. They don't have the dry/dead issue that I've found many of the dry GW paints do.
Second on AP speed paints - one of my favourite tools in my toolbox these days and very reasonably priced.
The Vanus assassin is pretty cool. There is a cool character in the book Assassinorum: Kingmaker that has one as a main character. I'd definitely recommend checking it out.
I think with the deadpool looking assassin there is scope to flatten the foot out and make it look like he's pointing downwards at someone with the gun whilst raising the sword for a downwards strike instead of running it'll look like he's just leaped up onto some terrain.
There's videos here on RUclips that show how to make your own Nuln Oil. It's mainly artist's acrylic flow aid, black paint, and a few drops of matte medium.
The civilization thing is called the Kardashev scale.
The vandam/ Vinicare model is my favourite, as he is a nice call back to the original RT assassin model, then the callidus-esqe assassin and finally the poison-y one. I would probably replace the torsos on both models and keep the heads.
Aside from that, I'm ok with them.
We need a compilation of all of Jay's hows.
i read that wrong
@@omarfouda6104 Same
With how that action figure and book are situated there in the background, the logo looks like a bullet spray coming out of the gun barrel lol. It looks really cool
Favorite color from Army painter is Lava Orange.
Water it down and put it on long hair or something textury. You'll see what I mean.
Army painter paints are my favorite for watering down and layering.
I love army painter as a company and I have had no issues with their paints so far. I do have to shake them up but I have my nail polish shaker and it works really well.
Couple drops of flow aid and they work magnificently.
"But who wants just a plane old Lasgun?" Ahm exuse me, i want that and i want it really bad. It looks awesome!
Worlds worst pain:
stepping on a chaos space marine
What you might not realize about Primaris footware is that they are wearing moccasins. Hence, the lack of a substantial heel or sole.
The moccasins of the future are super comfy.
I have found glaze medium easily reactivates speed paint a few days later, water can as well but only if you really try.
I love the army painter speedpaint.
I have a box of kabalite warriors that I want to make a kill team out of, but how would I convert them to look less squatty? I need to find a way to bring the legs closer together so they don't look like they're halfway through an exercise routine.
I like The Army Painter. They get a lot of hate online for not being good, but I don't have any problem using their stuff. I also use Citadel, Vallejo and Reaper paints and I don't feel like AP stuff is a step down. Like every paint range, not every paint is a winner, but they have good paint overall. I think that most of the people complaining about the paint don't follow directions and they don't squeeze out the extra medium stuff at the top of the bottle before trying to use it and then they bitch about the paint not mixing.
I agree with this take. I have SOME of their paints, but none of them were as bad as everyone told me they would be. Their only real crime here is not letting customers know about letting some of the medium out before using them. If they put that on the display shelf, everyone would know and this problem would go away. They're putting mixing balls in their paints from now on so problem is already more than solved.
@@extremities8 They do include those in boxes, I've had about 4 different little guide from all over the range that say to squirt the medium out.
The energy harvesting scale you're talking about is called the Kardashev scale!
I count weeks by watching EOB weekly. How many days have passed or how many days until eob weekly is how I live life now
Me: oooh a lasgun keychain!!!
Him: but who wants a lasgun keychain?
Recent subscriber here, love your content! The term you might be looking for is "dyson sphere" on the ability to harness the sun's power.
I won the bolt shell keychain at our escalation league two weeks ago. It’s actually really cool. It’s got heft!
one of our locals back in the day did the while drill dip. I think 2011, he got the pint pot of army painter dip wash and it doubled as a wash and a hard coat. He got his entire army done in one night. He had it somehow rigged to his drill and dipped and spun everything. It seemed to work. Wild days. I would go to the local art store to get stuff and have this salty old art store owner trying to figure out what I was doing because I didn't want to say "I'm painting white metal toy soldiers"
Necron Compound is my go-to silver drybrush paint. Terminatus Stone is also good.
13:45 Oh God that reminded of a dude on the gundam subreddit asking us to rate the patches on his jacket. We told him to do something about the Zeon flag patch on his bicep and he kept pushing back. He forgot not everyone knows that that is and looks sketch as hell without context.
This is information that doesn't really matter but I thought I'd tell you anyway; Vanus is the clade that specializes in information collection and methods of removal that require behind the scenes manipulation. You can read about one in Nemesis (Horus Heresy) if you haven't.
I really enjoy your videos. It's right to the point, no bs. I dig em, scribed.
29:10 the scientist you're looking for is Kardashev
Gaming dip-wash is the name of my game store. That mean lean on the JCVD assassin is a bit much for me. Maybe on the right base. What should it look like if he was running down a wall. Or maybe up a wall. Idk. I have not tried army painter yet, but your making me think hard about it. Also I think you Templar could use a little more. Fantastic work as always gents!!! Thank you!!
The spike I the other side of the axe is called a pick or beak.
Cracking vid, thanks from the Uk 🇬🇧👍🏼
Ammo of mig make drybrush paints,they look like a sort of gel in the pot but cant go wron with ammo products!
5:00 definitely giving me some Cobalt 60 comic vibes (by Vaughn Bode)
The Kardashev Scale, on which a Dyson sphere is type 2.
I love the speed paint colours but they do rub off and reactivate even after days of drying and even varnish spray. I did a tech marine, let it dry for half an hour, and handling the model to paint the rest It was turning red to pink as I started to reveal the primer underneath. I have fire giant orange varnished and I've done a test, after varnish spray, I let dry for a week, wet a brush as if I was trying to wipe off some over brush and the water turned orange and dulled the colour significantly
My 40k assassins all have just desaturated xenathol highlights on the base itself and the rock/rubble they're standing on so the model itself really stands out
Jay: "why is there always a tactical rock...urgh". Also Jay "this model needs a tactical rock" ahahahhaha
Keep up the vids guys!
how long until people use the ork and chaos keychains in conversions?
The "first three" books of the Horus Heresy are actually pretty good. I was not expecting to get enamored with the escapades of the Mournvial and I was surprised by how fast I read through False Gods. But I do agree that the Necron lore revamp for the War in Heaven was sorely needed. It just made them have more grounded reasoning for belonging into this universe. And Trazyn the Infinite is literally up there with Ghazghkull. The only thing I don't like about Necrons post lore revamp is the in game units talking back on the Unification mod for Dawn of War: Soul Storm. Kudos to those who put in the time and effort to record more lines, but I miss my Necron's beep-boops.
5:05 for the love of god, paint that assassin as Deadpool XD this could look really nice, lots of space for freehands.
21:44 dang you actually named one of the ones I go to lmao
Claude Venomess Assassin is in the TNG Riker Pose LOL
The reactivation of Speed Paint also happens long term. There are multiple videos where painters pick up weeks old painted models, try to touch them up, and end up reactivating the paint. It doesn't happen always, tests show it only happens some times, maybe only some of the range is more susceptible to it, but it's bad enough that Army Painter changed their official application procedures to include "varnish" in the end. Since I find dropper bottles superior, I'm waiting on the new upcomming Vallejo "contrast-like" range, they are definitelly my favorite regular paints.
Funny, AK is the one I can't get around here. Scale75 I can get at my FLGS (though I've kind of gotten tired of them, somewhat inconsistent results). Vallejo is just impossible to get restocks of anywhere so I've given up on them entirely.
Just as I was about to type it you use your psyker powers and say it. "Jean Claude" does look like Snake-Eyes from G.I. Joe. If I ever do a G.I. Joe Guard army (after I do the Cobra one of course) this guy is definitely in it.
I found a weird issue with AP's speedpaints and their wash medium where they just dissolve certain kinds of paint. If I zenithal a miniature with Liquitex white ink and try to apply speedpaints it sometimes just rubs the ink clean off. And recently I painted some mushroom enemies form the Dark Souls board game, using mostly Deck tan and Ivory for the brightest values, but wanted to bring it down with a wash of seraphim sepia thinned with some of the AP wash medium and that too dissolved some of my thinner layers of paint.
I've theorized for a while that something about their medium formula hates white pigments.
Speedpaints reactivate, you have to varnish the model after applying them. Inks rehydrate so you have to varnish them before painting over them with speedpaints, contrast, etc.
Not sure how that happens, I've used their washes mixed with airbrush thinner and flow aid, which definitely can reactivate regular paints, but yet the paint clung on fine.
Rorschach isn’t just a bad guy… I think he’s more complex than that
Rorschach is what the term “anti-hero” actually means instead of how people been using it nowadays
For the esthetics of the Votann and other artistic pieces close to that look like the Alien franchise, some people call that NASApunk
Can someone explain me the convenience of dropper bottles over tubes?, you can both put as easily on a wet pallet, and thats all you need them for.
Easier to get a single drop of paint, pretty much it
The reactivation issue is way worse than you're describing. There's a red and blue SpeedPaint that literally reactivates 24 hours later, though to be fair those two are the worst ones.
True, but it isn’t much of a problem for other colors for me so
I have painted about 75 miniatures using speed paints, no varnish and they all turned out fine, yes the paint reactivates a bit but not at all enough to make them difficult to use
@@EonsOfBattle The issue, the thing here, is: it shouldn't reactivate. At all. The whole point of Speedpaints is to do that, speed paint, no "Apply a fast coat then battle with the reactivation, in some cases, up to 24 hours later, when adding more layers", it is specially embarrassing when their competitor, Citadel, has non of that issue and the new upcoming one from Vallejo, Express, from early reviews, also don't have reactivation issues. Furthermore, the issue is so well known that Army painter tells its customers to varnish after applying a SP coat. That's why AP Speedpaint is considered a faulty product, the way you need to paint and handle it goes completely against the whole reason it exist in the first place: Speed Paint.
I think they did a blood angel keychain a while back too
I disagree with your assessment of Army Painter speed paints drying if you just leave it long enough to cure. Juan Hidalgo Miniatures has a video demonstrating even after 24 hours they can and will re-activate, I think you should check it out!
I have painted about 70 miniatures using speed paints and have had no issues, yes they reactivate a bit but it doesn't hurt the painting at all.
I would have loved a rail rifle/pulse rifle keychain
Adamus Clade is my personal favourite and it’s just because I can see someone painting it as Deadpool lol
Jay: I don't like the Aquila on this key chain. I wouldn't take it in public.
Also Jay: Wears a T-shirt with an Aquilia on.
With lightning bolts, no less! Surely, this must mean Jay is in open support of the 1940s German secret police...
There's one clear symbol we use to distinguish that particular state here in the west, and we know which one it is. Oddly enough, the hammer and sickle doesn't get anywhere the same notoriety.
@@clinch4402 half of our population thinks the hammer and sickle is a sign of good and are totally clueless as to the atrocity and horror associated with it
That assassin with the sword looks like a good candidate for a deadpool colour scheme
I have an ichigo banki sword hilt key chain. If ya know ya know😅
ok now im trynna find a cool print to put on a base shirt for a 1984 tshirt.
great taste in authors 😃
i think it'd be really cool if you painted the grey knight joytoy like your gray knight army !
Yeah the first thing I thought of was snakeyes when I saw that assassin
I like how the title is just trying to start a fight
Honestly my only gripe about joytoy grey knights is that I would probably paint the purity seals with a bone colour
I think you mean the Khardashev scale. I had to look up the spelling. But it was proposed by Khardashev not Michio Kaku.
I'm loving speed paint. Bottles are better, price is better, paint is equal imo.
I use the chainaxe key chain as a letter opener
28:45 - The concept you're looking for is called a "Dyson Sphere."
EDIT - I paused it to write that. You remembered it like 30 seconds later. :P
Gravelly sand base is the best for all that tan sand they've been releasing lately.
Chaos appoves
The Clade Infocyte Assassin asks for getting painted like Deadpool.