No. They were her kids. She was the first line of defense for those kids. She carried on without a care in the world after they were in the ground. She controlled Alex
If I was on the jury, there is enough for me to convict both the grave-digger and the gold-digger. I also want them to look more closely at both Melanie’s. They knew what was going on. Sorry I missed you live, I’m enjoying my lunch listening . Congrats on your sub count. I remember when you first started ! Keep up the great work .
I was thinking the graves proves he’s involved. Who buries bodies like that? Someone experienced? I was curious how he buried his pets. I don’t think they looked at a pet grave.
I guess you could consider her a Golddigger if you’re talking about her killing people for money… But she certainly not a Golddigger by going after Chad!! He only made $20,000 a year! His wife made 11,000 a year. He bragged to people that his new girlfriend Lori was rich.
I thought one of the most important exchanges in this case that no one talks about when is Colby says, "I would've taken the kids." And Lori says, "Everyone says that now."
•No way anything happened to Tylee & JJ without Lori's approval, support, & "blessing." •She said so, herself, "I know EXACTLY where they are." And she was smiling directly into the camera. •No REASONABLE person will miss the obvious. •Guilty, as charged.
This is crazy that they offered no other point of view in this case. As a juror, I would think that not offering any defense would mean you have no defense. I would have nothing other that the prosecutions side to think about in the jury room.
Guilty or innocent that is one risky tactic. Now I didn’t listen to this trial so I can’t make an informed opinion on guilt (I was watching the Stauch trial). Are they possibly looking toward a better advantage in appeal? Could she make the claim that her lawyer did not serve her interests. Is she looking to see what happens with Chad. I don’t get the logic right now?
@@Leonnie13 The thing is that she would have to proved that she had an alternate feasible defence and that there was exculpatory evidence that they didn’t put on. I think that they elicited as much exculpatory evidence as there was. That she wasn’t at Chad’s house for the burial or even in the state for Tammy’s death. That prior to Chad people seemed to agree that she was a good mother. You can’t claim ineffective councils because they didn’t put on a convincing defence unless you can prove that there was a convincing defence to be had. I don’t think there is some mysterious witness out there that could testify that she didn’t want anyone to die except herself and Chad. She waived that right to testify and Chad was protected by the 5th. Sometimes cases are just losers from a defence perspective. Sometimes you just can’t present a convincing case that they didn’t do it because they did do it and there isn’t enough there to spin the case. You can just hope that the prosecution didn’t have enough to convince everyone of reasonable doubt.
If the Prosecution has not Proved their case without a "doubt", the Defense does not have to prove a thing? LVD is being Judged by the Media and what everyone is watching and influenced by? Plus, Mother's are supposed to protect their Children? We all want to hate a selfish, self-cemtered, person who thinks their Children are burdens and they end up Dead and buried in her new Husbands back yard? Even though she wasn't there? The State didn't prove she was there? The Defense doesn't need to prove a thing? But she was definitly knew and we hate her for it but can't find her Guilty if the State didn't prove she was there and killed them? In a Legal Court a Juror can only judge what is allowed to be brought into Evidence? The Prosecution carries the Burden to prove the case against the Defendant? The Defense does not have a burden to prove the Defendants Innocence? They ARE innocent until Proven Guilty? Look at what the Charges are? If she was Not There? She didn't commit the Murders. However, Conspiracy means she took part in it by knowing and planning in the Murders in some way? The usual way people commit conspiracy is paying a hit man to kill for them? That didn't happen in this case? This was a bizarre story based on warped religious beliefs whether truly believed or not? The children were a burden and in her and Chad's way and ended up dead. Other people ended up dead too. This doesn't mean she is Not Guilty of Conspiracy and Fraud?
I agree mostly. Before the case we didn't know how culpable she was in her children's death,now we know, she pushed for it based on the belief their souls were already gone. Yet that is an age old excuse for killing people, dehumanising them makes it easier to excuse in your own mind but in reality it is no excuse. She knew it was wrong and showed it by hiding their fates from the world. Im not sure if there is enough to prove she directly did it but definitely enough for conspiracy. Did she directly arrange their deaths, it seems likely but is it proven 🤔 im not sure, but I was not on the jury (I didn't hear and see every piece of evidence) so ill trust their decision on that.
@@Prof.Tarfeather I think that the participation in the blessing of the actual murderer, Alex, was the payment. I think they paid him not with money but with spiritual absolution. It’s atypical…but that is how I see it.
If I was on the jury I would like to hear her explain where she thought her kids were. And the fact defence has not answered or even asked that one important question would tell me the only answer they have would make her guilty. Nate Eaton provided us with the first glimpse of Lori and he asked her where are your kids? He nailed it from word go.
Personally, I think the fact that Lori asks what Tammy and JJ's death percentage is, Chad says 2 and 3 and she said "not zero" proves she was in on killing them. She wanted it to be zero so they could kill them already. Also, fighting over the one guys dark/light percentage and Chad submitting to Lori also illustrates she was just as much in control as him.
I think she knew and helped plan the murders as well. There were quite a few other text threads that were read in court that show she knew exactly what was going on. The ones read at the beginning of this video can look like she didn't know but the agent was on the stand for hours reading different text threads on other days.
Yes. Thought that was interesting how he immediately bent to her number. She was definitely at least as much responsible and in control as Chad and Alex.
@@WolfRoss I think it was a mutual controlling thing they formed a folie à deux together. But puffy boy was definitely trying to kiss up to the beauty pageant girl.
When you were talking about the JOA, it was so lovely to see how proud your Dad seems to be as you discuss your second ever trial! I love watching father & son working all this out & explaining it to us with your awesome experience. It’s pretty cool.
Same. Cases with kids are super difficult for me to tune into. It messes with my head after a while so I just come here for info. Plus he is such a positive dude.
I think the damning thing to find her guilty of murder is what they DIDNT have not what they did have and the reason they couldnt blame it on Chad misleading her, not once did she ever ask Chad if the kids would be safe, if they're being taken care of, tell them I miss them or love them etc as if she thought they were just hidden away somewhere or something, nor did anybody ever reassure her the kids were ok or safe anything, nothing to show she was stunned or upset when the bodies were found. She knew the kids were gonna be and were dead no doubt about it. If I thought my kids were in hiding to keep them safe I would 100% say when speaking about them "I hope their ok" "I miss them so much" etc
Right?! It’s soo weird that there’s zero texts even asking Chad if this is the right move, or if he knows anything about where they are or ANYTHING. You’re 100% correct.. there’s a lot to be said about what wasn’t said in this trial.
I hope the Jury has connected the dots. I have listened to the trial word by word, abd for me it's 💯% Guilty beyond reasonable doubt. The defence has done their job. The Death Penalty is off the table.
Replay crew. Guilty on all charges. I think the state did a solid job presenting clear and convincing evidence. I think what Lori stated in her own text messages was more damning as to her involvement in the conspiracy than the hair in the tape.
I am bummed that I missed the live, but I have had a busy Birthday. Thank you Peter for continuing to cover this case. 💗 And thank you for having your Dad on to discuss this case. His experience as a criminal defense lawyer provided us with invaluable information and insights. I really hope that Tylee, JJ, and all of LV’s victims receive the justice that they deserve. 💞
I was a juror on a drug possession case. During voir dire the defense attorney made us agree he didn’t need to do anything. Then he didn’t. And told us in closing why he didn’t. We acquitted her. There just wasn’t proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Here? There is.
The main reason they didn't let cameras in the court room is because of Lori's main character syndrome and she would have been putting on a show for the cameras and been holding up the trial. That's why it's only audio...
@@bethanywhite877🤮🤮🤮 Yuk! So glad she’s locked up for life and no key to escape. She manifested this by saying “she’ll never work a day in her life again”
Even if she were following Chad and thought it was just spiritual, why didn’t she do anything when people started actually dying or her own children go “missing”. She was complicit and she lied repeatedly about so many things to try to disguise what what really going on. That to me shows guilty knowledge. I can’t say she was an active participant in the actual murders but she knew ultimately what the plan was and she was all in.
I struggled with the state’s burden in the Murdaugh trial until the end. I do not struggle with Lori’s guilt at all. I think the state proved conspiracy for all 3 victims. IMO Murdaugh probably could have gotten a hung jury if he didn’t testify
That would have been a possibility that the jury would have hung had he not testified. Because they wouldn't have been able to be sure that he was at the kennels at the right time. But obviously Alex and his giant ego had to pipe up and it's kind of a beautiful thing that he buried himself.
The best thing a defendant can do is draw out the trial. Witnesses may become less reliable, the public outrage for the case lessens, another high profile case may happen later on that takes priority. In turn the prosecutor gives the defendant a deal they could only dream of before.
Followed this for the entire four years. She kept herself clear INTENTIONALLY… and inserted her brother in her stead through her wicked spiritual twist…she knew…the evidence shows it and the woman is as guilty as sin. She left for Hawaii intentionally when Tammy died… And she kept her self clear when she sent her brother to do her dirty work… And the evidence shows that… Guilty. And he will probably take a plea when it happens. Even if they come back with conspiracy only… Chad is a fool to think he will wiggle out of it… JUSTICE for TYLEE, JJ, TAMMY AMD CHARLES. The state proved EVERYTHING provable. Consipriacyy=Life w/o parole. Shut the jailhouse door. They are both guilty. She just wiggled out of the DP and her attorneys took THAT as a win…He hasn’t. My guess is Prior being there every day equals a plea is coming or they are just as stupid as their portals… and as far as Melanie B… don’t even get me started.
Family law paralegal in AZ here!! An opposing counsel on one of our cases was Charles Vallows atty during their divorce. My self control is at an all time high to not ask him about the divorce 😅
I think that even if she supposedly didn't know what was going concerning these murders just her lack of reaction when she found out that her children were murdered should be enough to show that she was going on along with it. What mother doesn't react when she finds out that her children were murdered by her new husband?!
100% agree with you. Her behavior is bizarre and very inappropriate for any mother. IMO, Lori is a sociopath and of course a narcissist. She’s incapable of feeling anything for others . I think the jury will convict , they watched her for weeks not get affected by the horrible evidence that was presented.
I don’t understand those texts as her not knowing what he was talking about. She is asking why not 1, instead of 2 or 3. In other words, she wanted them to suffer as much as possible. Contrary to the thoughts I’ve read from most people, I think Lori was the driving force behind most of this. Complete narcissist. Where do you think the power is between a fairly attractive woman and an overweight, unattractive man who was wild with lust? Yeah, I’m thinking she would get what she wanted.
Archibald's closing was insane to me! I got the part where he said he has nothing to prove and his client has nothing to prove. But, the things he did say was almost as if he was on the state's side. He even cried while talking about Lori's son Colby. It was such a strange closing by defense imo. Would love to know your and your dad's thoughts on defense attorney closing!
Guilty. Her hair was found on duct tape and she talked about eliminating the kids. She was there when her kids died i believe. Justice for JJ Tylee and Tammy ❤️🙏😇❤️
Lori hair was stuck to the inside of the duct tape with decomp fluid that was wrapped around white plastic bag over JJ head. This is how i heard it explained. This is why i believe she was there with Chad and Alex when he was killed. Also why Melanie Gibb could not find her in the middle of the night when David Warwick woke up from nightmare. Lori and Chad were at Alex apartment killing JJ. They were casting out the demon so they thought. They are all guilty of all 3 murders in my opinion. RIP JJ Tylee and Tammy and Charles. ❤️😇🙏❤️ Guilty on all charges. Life in prison without parole. Just like Leticia Stauch was given. God has got this. Good will win over this evil. 👍👍
I agree. Granted, it seemed like every text was laced with that crap, but Lori would talk about JJ's death score and then how much she wanted Chad in the same "breath".
She was in text messages pushing for these people to be at 0 percent. If you read them all it’s clear what they meant by this! That’s why she’s guilty imo
The text messages were quite damning, in my opinion, but all the evidence combined including testimonies from the witnesses, not to mention their code words, and their zombie ratings. I hope the jurors use common sense and with all the facts/evidence, they could very well find her guilty. But you never know!! When you think about it, just from the social media platforms, most people (not all) believe that she is guilty and as Peter always tells us, we are potential jurors and as a potential juror, I think Lori is guilty as sin! (Actually, I was picked as a juror twice). Yep, all the dots connected with me!
I looked for the Ted Bundy coverage, but couldn't find it. Not listed in podcast or the video section. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place? Great review today. I haven't followed this case all that much. Watched Stauck trial full coverage. Looking forward to the verdict though.
The problem is there is no plausible explanation for Lori's behavior other than she was complicit in their murders. She never reported her kids missing. She showed zero concern for where they were or what was happening to them during the time they were "misssing". She lied to multiple people about their whereabouts. I think the defense rested because they have no defense. They have no explanation for why Lori did what she did.
With all the other evidence she is definitely guilty of conspiracy. The hair just gives me the absolute confidence I would need as a juror to vote guilty. I do not need convincing on anything for conspiracy. I do not know the jury instructions and what they say exactly for my opinion and how I got to guilty. I would have to see those obviously but feel good with guilty even without the hair. I do remember Casey didn’t report her daughter missing at all. This is probably a huge trigger for Casey’s parents. I have thought about them often in this case. I can’t imagine what they are thinking.
The only thing the defense could do was try to prove Chad manipulated Lori into doing all this, and we know Lori isn't going to let them do that. But it doesn't matter, no amount of manipulation should ever make a parent ok with slaughtering his/her children. From the way she acted after their deaths, she is pure evil. No emotion or remorse whatsoever.
No. They were her kids. She was the first line of defense for those kids. She carried on without a care in the world after they were in the ground. She controlled Alex
If I was on the jury, there is enough for me to convict both the grave-digger and the gold-digger. I also want them to look more closely at both Melanie’s. They knew what was going on. Sorry I missed you live, I’m enjoying my lunch listening . Congrats on your sub count. I remember when you first started ! Keep up the great work .
I was thinking the graves proves he’s involved. Who buries bodies like that? Someone experienced? I was curious how he buried his pets. I don’t think they looked at a pet grave.
Yes!! The two Melanie’s need to be locked into for sure!
I guess you could consider her a Golddigger if you’re talking about her killing people for money… But she certainly not a Golddigger by going after Chad!! He only made $20,000 a year! His wife made 11,000 a year. He bragged to people that his new girlfriend Lori was rich.
How did Melanie B get out of testifying??
Right... Melanie B is also in the middle of a custody case, I believe. Good luck to Brandon.
No question, GUILTY!
I thought one of the most important exchanges in this case that no one talks about when is Colby says, "I would've taken the kids." And Lori says, "Everyone says that now."
Spot on!!
Oh thats horrible. I missed that!!
Important how?
Right?! Her sister said the same thing... its clear they believe she did it.
@@ihavequestions8914 she’s essentially admitting she wanted to get rid of them, but had no other place for them…
•No way anything happened to Tylee & JJ without Lori's approval, support, & "blessing."
•She said so, herself, "I know EXACTLY where they are." And she was smiling directly into the camera.
•No REASONABLE person will miss the obvious.
•Guilty, as charged.
100%!
This is crazy that they offered no other point of view in this case. As a juror, I would think that not offering any defense would mean you have no defense. I would have nothing other that the prosecutions side to think about in the jury room.
Guilty or innocent that is one risky tactic. Now I didn’t listen to this trial so I can’t make an informed opinion on guilt (I was watching the Stauch trial).
Are they possibly looking toward a better advantage in appeal? Could she make the claim that her lawyer did not serve her interests. Is she looking to see what happens with Chad. I don’t get the logic right now?
@@Leonnie13 The thing is that she would have to proved that she had an alternate feasible defence and that there was exculpatory evidence that they didn’t put on. I think that they elicited as much exculpatory evidence as there was. That she wasn’t at Chad’s house for the burial or even in the state for Tammy’s death. That prior to Chad people seemed to agree that she was a good mother.
You can’t claim ineffective councils because they didn’t put on a convincing defence unless you can prove that there was a convincing defence to be had. I don’t think there is some mysterious witness out there that could testify that she didn’t want anyone to die except herself and Chad. She waived that right to testify and Chad was protected by the 5th.
Sometimes cases are just losers from a defence perspective. Sometimes you just can’t present a convincing case that they didn’t do it because they did do it and there isn’t enough there to spin the case. You can just hope that the prosecution didn’t have enough to convince everyone of reasonable doubt.
If the Prosecution has not Proved their case without a "doubt", the Defense does not have to prove a thing?
LVD is being Judged by the Media and what everyone is watching and influenced by?
Plus, Mother's are supposed to protect their Children? We all want to hate a selfish, self-cemtered, person who thinks their Children are burdens and they end up Dead and buried in her new Husbands back yard?
Even though she wasn't there?
The State didn't prove she was there?
The Defense doesn't need to prove a thing?
But she was definitly knew and we hate her for it but can't find her Guilty if the State didn't prove she was there and killed them?
In a Legal Court a Juror can only judge what is allowed to be brought into Evidence?
The Prosecution carries the Burden to prove the case against the Defendant?
The Defense does not have a burden to prove the Defendants Innocence? They ARE innocent until Proven Guilty?
Look at what the Charges are?
If she was Not There? She didn't commit the Murders.
However, Conspiracy means she took part in it by knowing and planning in the Murders in some way?
The usual way people commit conspiracy is paying a hit man to kill for them?
That didn't happen in this case?
This was a bizarre story based on warped religious beliefs whether truly believed or not?
The children were a burden and in her and Chad's way and ended up dead. Other people ended up dead too.
This doesn't mean she is Not Guilty of Conspiracy and Fraud?
I agree mostly. Before the case we didn't know how culpable she was in her children's death,now we know, she pushed for it based on the belief their souls were already gone. Yet that is an age old excuse for killing people, dehumanising them makes it easier to excuse in your own mind but in reality it is no excuse. She knew it was wrong and showed it by hiding their fates from the world.
Im not sure if there is enough to prove she directly did it but definitely enough for conspiracy. Did she directly arrange their deaths, it seems likely but is it proven 🤔 im not sure, but I was not on the jury (I didn't hear and see every piece of evidence) so ill trust their decision on that.
@@Prof.Tarfeather I think that the participation in the blessing of the actual murderer, Alex, was the payment.
I think they paid him not with money but with spiritual absolution. It’s atypical…but that is how I see it.
If I was on the jury I would like to hear her explain where she thought her kids were. And the fact defence has not answered or even asked that one important question would tell me the only answer they have would make her guilty. Nate Eaton provided us with the first glimpse of Lori and he asked her where are your kids? He nailed it from word go.
She said, "I know EXACTLY where they are," smiling directly into the camera.
@@mcc9040 Its such an undeniably creepy moment. Super shivers.
Thanks for having your Dad on. He has so much wisdom and experience, and I enjoy hearing from him! 😊
I would have to vote guilty simply based on Lori's behavior while the kids were missing and after they were found.
Personally, I think the fact that Lori asks what Tammy and JJ's death percentage is, Chad says 2 and 3 and she said "not zero" proves she was in on killing them. She wanted it to be zero so they could kill them already. Also, fighting over the one guys dark/light percentage and Chad submitting to Lori also illustrates she was just as much in control as him.
I think she controlled Chad.
I think she knew and helped plan the murders as well. There were quite a few other text threads that were read in court that show she knew exactly what was going on. The ones read at the beginning of this video can look like she didn't know but the agent was on the stand for hours reading different text threads on other days.
Yes. Thought that was interesting how he immediately bent to her number. She was definitely at least as much responsible and in control as Chad and Alex.
@@WolfRoss I think it was a mutual controlling thing they formed a folie à deux together. But puffy boy was definitely trying to kiss up to the beauty pageant girl.
@@therealdeal3672 "I'll explain later" like he was in trouble for not having it done yet.
When you were talking about the JOA, it was so lovely to see how proud your Dad seems to be as you discuss your second ever trial! I love watching father & son working all this out & explaining it to us with your awesome experience. It’s pretty cool.
I really appreciate that you dig down to the working of the court room, without getting into violence of the case.
Same. Cases with kids are super difficult for me to tune into. It messes with my head after a while so I just come here for info. Plus he is such a positive dude.
Love Papa Tragos! Thank you for your expertise and love hearing you two together!
I think the damning thing to find her guilty of murder is what they DIDNT have not what they did have and the reason they couldnt blame it on Chad misleading her, not once did she ever ask Chad if the kids would be safe, if they're being taken care of, tell them I miss them or love them etc as if she thought they were just hidden away somewhere or something, nor did anybody ever reassure her the kids were ok or safe anything, nothing to show she was stunned or upset when the bodies were found. She knew the kids were gonna be and were dead no doubt about it. If I thought my kids were in hiding to keep them safe I would 100% say when speaking about them "I hope their ok" "I miss them so much" etc
Right?! It’s soo weird that there’s zero texts even asking Chad if this is the right move, or if he knows anything about where they are or ANYTHING. You’re 100% correct.. there’s a lot to be said about what wasn’t said in this trial.
Yep totally agree she didn’t seem shocked that they were found or upset
Yes, it is what isn't there that makes her guilty. We'll see.
I hope the Jury has connected the dots. I have listened to the trial word by word, abd for me it's 💯% Guilty beyond reasonable doubt. The defence has done their job. The Death Penalty is off the table.
Replay crew. Guilty on all charges. I think the state did a solid job presenting clear and convincing evidence. I think what Lori stated in her own text messages was more damning as to her involvement in the conspiracy than the hair in the tape.
Agreed. Plus her jail phone call with her son - laughing in the face of his trauma and despair. Just horrifying.
Lori said she knew exactly where the kids were, her hair was on the duct tape around JJ
Exactly. I don’t think you have to make a LEAP to connect the dots to Lori as Peter said. It’s more like tiny baby steps
My hair is all over my husband’s duct tape. Probably my brothers too.
1 hair
I am bummed that I missed the live, but I have had a busy Birthday. Thank you Peter for continuing to cover this case. 💗 And thank you for having your Dad on to discuss this case. His experience as a criminal defense lawyer provided us with invaluable information and insights. I really hope that Tylee, JJ, and all of LV’s victims receive the justice that they deserve. 💞
LOVE hearing you and your dad share past stories!
I love the father-son team ones! Thank you!
I was a juror on a drug possession case. During voir dire the defense attorney made us agree he didn’t need to do anything. Then he didn’t. And told us in closing why he didn’t. We acquitted her.
There just wasn’t proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Here? There is.
The main reason they didn't let cameras in the court room is because of Lori's main character syndrome and she would have been putting on a show for the cameras and been holding up the trial. That's why it's only audio...
Like Letchia. She was all laughing and flirting with her attorney too.
@@bethanywhite877🤮🤮🤮 Yuk! So glad she’s locked up for life and no key to escape. She manifested this by saying “she’ll never work a day in her life again”
Another narcissist, me , me , me .. she’d be a prefect cellmate for Lie-Tecia … they can talk to each other about gods , demons and Eguardo 😅
I do hope Lori gets the same fate
@@lizze5717 in Russian lol
Of course she knew…and understood what was f going on… Lori is clearly OK with having the “obstacles “ removed.
Peter I love how you and your Dad share this love and respect of the Law
Even though they all tried to use "code" words in their texts, I would like to think the Jury will see thorough that.
Even if she were following Chad and thought it was just spiritual, why didn’t she do anything when people started actually dying or her own children go “missing”. She was complicit and she lied repeatedly about so many things to try to disguise what what really going on. That to me shows guilty knowledge. I can’t say she was an active participant in the actual murders but she knew ultimately what the plan was and she was all in.
She’s guilty beyond a reasonable double
Oh GOD, please find her guilty.
Love to watch you and your dad discuss trials. Good Family!👏🏼❤️👏🏼
Thank you, Peter and Big George Papa Tragos! Very good discussion. Looking forward to the verdict.
I struggled with the state’s burden in the Murdaugh trial until the end. I do not struggle with Lori’s guilt at all. I think the state proved conspiracy for all 3 victims.
IMO
Murdaugh probably could have gotten a hung jury if he didn’t testify
That would have been a possibility that the jury would have hung had he not testified. Because they wouldn't have been able to be sure that he was at the kennels at the right time. But obviously Alex and his giant ego had to pipe up and it's kind of a beautiful thing that he buried himself.
Rewatch crew ❤ thanks Papa Tragos & Peter! Love the update
I love watching the episodes with your dad❤️
I'm just watching some of these videos. They are informative and interesting. So glad I joined. 😊
Replay crew here. Great episode! Love seeing Papa Tregos💙
when close to a milestone it's fun to see the counter, it might help encourage a few reluctant future subscribers
Love your pop's visiting!
Rewatch crew here from Michigan 👋👋👋
Bonus!! Big George!! Hurray!! Love to hear his insight. Thank you!
Great update as always Peter. Love when Mr Tragos joins in.
Love to see this son/dad conversation...thanks so much to Papa Tragos to share his wisdom and experience...learn so much just like I do from Peter...
Someone does not sit in jail for over 2 years without overwhelming evidence where no defense is proposed It’s laughable.
Lori is also not asking where her children are. Why? Because she already knew. Deceased. Sicko! She's guilty!
Replay crew here! I love it when big George weighs in! Thank you both for covering this!
Totally guilty on all charges.
Thanks Peter and Big George!
The best thing a defendant can do is draw out the trial. Witnesses may become less reliable, the public outrage for the case lessens, another high profile case may happen later on that takes priority. In turn the prosecutor gives the defendant a deal they could only dream of before.
I loved this! You guys did a great job helping me understand the defenses tactical approach. Thank you ❤ btw I watched it before the closing arguments
Thanks, Peter! Extremely insightful and much appreciated as always. Hope all is well in beautiful Florida. Very nice here in Indiana as well!
I think she will be found guilty. And I believe she deserves it. Peter, it was nice seeing you with your father, he must be so proud of you!
The defense can not truly think the state didn't prove their case
You are the greatest Peter!
I was SO hoping you would discuss this strategy!!! Rewatching any I’m here for it!
I am hoping there is a verdict by Friday afternoon. Don't ruin Mothers Day weekend
Subscribed! Like the father-son duo!
Peter and George…Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts regarding LV!! I love when you two share together!! ❤
Thank you for covering this!
I love hearing your thoughts but I hate the fact we could be giving the defense some pointers
I think both Lori and Chad are both guilty.
Followed this for the entire four years. She kept herself clear INTENTIONALLY… and inserted her brother in her stead through her wicked spiritual twist…she knew…the evidence shows it and the woman is as guilty as sin. She left for Hawaii intentionally when Tammy died… And she kept her self clear when she sent her brother to do her dirty work… And the evidence shows that… Guilty. And he will probably take a plea when it happens. Even if they come back with conspiracy only… Chad is a fool to think he will wiggle out of it… JUSTICE for TYLEE, JJ, TAMMY AMD CHARLES.
The state proved EVERYTHING provable.
Consipriacyy=Life w/o parole. Shut the jailhouse door. They are both guilty. She just wiggled out of the DP and her attorneys took THAT as a win…He hasn’t. My guess is Prior being there every day equals a plea is coming or they are just as stupid as their portals… and as far as Melanie B… don’t even get me started.
It's like a twisted D&D game, with their percentages and shields.
Family law paralegal in AZ here!! An opposing counsel on one of our cases was Charles Vallows atty during their divorce. My self control is at an all time high to not ask him about the divorce 😅
Good afternoon, Tragos & Tragos!!
Rewatch crew! Yay! Big George!
Text messages are evidence of her cruelty, and that might get her a murder charge
I think that even if she supposedly didn't know what was going concerning these murders just her lack of reaction when she found out that her children were murdered should be enough to show that she was going on along with it. What mother doesn't react when she finds out that her children were murdered by her new husband?!
Plus, she was having bodies piling up BEFORE she even KNEW, "Chad"
100% agree with you. Her behavior is bizarre and very inappropriate for any mother. IMO, Lori is a sociopath and of course a narcissist. She’s incapable of feeling anything for others . I think the jury will convict , they watched her for weeks not get affected by the horrible evidence that was presented.
I don’t understand those texts as her not knowing what he was talking about. She is asking why not 1, instead of 2 or 3. In other words, she wanted them to suffer as much as possible. Contrary to the thoughts I’ve read from most people, I think Lori was the driving force behind most of this. Complete narcissist. Where do you think the power is between a fairly attractive woman and an overweight, unattractive man who was wild with lust? Yeah, I’m thinking she would get what she wanted.
This is so awful.😢 just breaks my heart.
Archibald's closing was insane to me! I got the part where he said he has nothing to prove and his client has nothing to prove. But, the things he did say was almost as if he was on the state's side. He even cried while talking about Lori's son Colby. It was such a strange closing by defense imo. Would love to know your and your dad's thoughts on defense attorney closing!
I missed this live 😢 I thought it was 5pm my time (PST)
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Missed the live, but here now.
I enjoy watching you on here.
Wish Peter wouldn’t interrupt his Dad so much 🤦♀️
They DO have direct evidence! Lori’s hair was on the duct tape binding JJ when he was found
Guilty!!!
Guilty. Her hair was found on duct tape and she talked about eliminating the kids. She was there when her kids died i believe. Justice for JJ Tylee and Tammy ❤️🙏😇❤️
Her hair was found one who’s body??
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The tape was on the plastic that surrounded JJ. 😢
@@piercedsnowflake I didn’t realize Lori’s hair was on the tape!!! I didn’t hear that part!! Wow!
Lori hair was stuck to the inside of the duct tape with decomp fluid that was wrapped around white plastic bag over JJ head. This is how i heard it explained. This is why i believe she was there with Chad and Alex when he was killed. Also why Melanie Gibb could not find her in the middle of the night when David Warwick woke up from nightmare. Lori and Chad were at Alex apartment killing JJ. They were casting out the demon so they thought. They are all guilty of all 3 murders in my opinion. RIP JJ Tylee and Tammy and Charles. ❤️😇🙏❤️
Guilty on all charges. Life in prison without parole. Just like Leticia Stauch was given. God has got this. Good will win over this evil. 👍👍
But wait a minute! Alexs phone also pinged in Loris apartment the time thought to be when Tylee and JJ were kiled
Great Q&A!
Quilts on all charges. I just subscribed good show😊
Harvard Lawyer Lee did an excellent summation of the trial today. She explains EVERYTHING. Look her up.
And yes, It makes me sick but I really think Chad and Lori got "turned on" by talking/planning about killing.
I agree. Granted, it seemed like every text was laced with that crap, but Lori would talk about JJ's death score and then how much she wanted Chad in the same "breath".
GUILTY! Of it all.
Remember how she chastised her close friend Zalema for being so gullible? Lori knew what she was doing and was just as bad as Chad.
She was in text messages pushing for these people to be at 0 percent. If you read them all it’s clear what they meant by this! That’s why she’s guilty imo
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Feral, was thinking exactly the same.
The text messages were quite damning, in my opinion, but all the evidence combined including testimonies from the witnesses, not to mention their code words, and their zombie ratings. I hope the jurors use common sense and with all the facts/evidence, they could very well find her guilty. But you never know!! When you think about it, just from the social media platforms, most people (not all) believe that she is guilty and as Peter always tells us, we are potential jurors and as a potential juror, I think Lori is guilty as sin! (Actually, I was picked as a juror twice). Yep, all the dots connected with me!
Peter, she said she knew where mids were and lied to police on where the kids were. She inferred to her sister kids died months after their death.
omg so cute you get to work with your dad like this!
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I looked for the Ted Bundy coverage, but couldn't find it. Not listed in podcast or the video section. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place? Great review today. I haven't followed this case all that much. Watched Stauck trial full coverage. Looking forward to the verdict though.
The problem is there is no plausible explanation for Lori's behavior other than she was complicit in their murders. She never reported her kids missing. She showed zero concern for where they were or what was happening to them during the time they were "misssing". She lied to multiple people about their whereabouts. I think the defense rested because they have no defense. They have no explanation for why Lori did what she did.
GUILTY!
With all the other evidence she is definitely guilty of conspiracy. The hair just gives me the absolute confidence I would need as a juror to vote guilty. I do not need convincing on anything for conspiracy. I do not know the jury instructions and what they say exactly for my opinion and how I got to guilty. I would have to see those obviously but feel good with guilty even without the hair.
I do remember Casey didn’t report her daughter missing at all. This is probably a huge trigger for Casey’s parents. I have thought about them often in this case. I can’t imagine what they are thinking.
Will we get a live stream on jury instructions?
East Idaho News has full coverage every day. Nate Eaton was the one who chased this case down from the beginning.
This may be a circumstantial case but let’s face it. It is a MOUNTAIN of circumstantial evidence.
So crazy that they did the move
The only thing the defense could do was try to prove Chad manipulated Lori into doing all this, and we know Lori isn't going to let them do that. But it doesn't matter, no amount of manipulation should ever make a parent ok with slaughtering his/her children. From the way she acted after their deaths, she is pure evil. No emotion or remorse whatsoever.
I think Lori would though. She has the lead and is being tried first. They can’t charge her twice
Well when you tell Melanie G to lie about JJ and then tell her he is safe, then she knew then he was gone!! She’s guilty!