Actress reveals how much she just made from a top Netflix show
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2023
- "Orange is the New Black" actors Emma Myles and Lea DeLaria join 'CNN This Morning' to discuss residual checks in the era of streaming services. #CNN #News
Streaming services got over like fat rats because they knew they weren't subject to the guild contracts. Now that they are being pulled in and held to the same standards as traditional studios, they are throwing tantrums.
If your company is pulling in billions in profit, you can afford to pay your staff and contract workers better than average wages for the industry.
Great point! The studios and producers can’t successfully defend greed.
The studio executives are all white, male Trump supporters??? Better step up your little peaceful protests since you’re LOSING!! BTW why isn’t Biden doing anything to help the downtrodden laborers?
Looking at Netflix salary info, the median actor wage is $69K, and the average salary overall is above $75K. Sorry, no tears from me.
As for profits, beware of grading a company by a good season. Netflix quickly could go the way of so many other web businesses.
@@JB-ti7bl I see your point but I counter with this: In the areas where most actively working actors live (NY, LA, Toronto, Alberta, etc.) 69K-75K is not a salary that will go far, even with help. If you include things that aren't a part of the average person's monthly expenses like on-going classes and losing pay from part-time work to pursue acting jobs, that money is stretched even thinner. Then you account for the fact that actors don't work year round, they only get paid for the days they are on set and they aren't scheduled to be on set everyday of principle shooting (even A-List actors may have the majority of their entire performance filmed in only a few days or a couple of weeks for a non-action genre film). Then you see the money not only being thin, but sporadic. And let's not go into affordable health insurance...
As for the services themselves, they are consolidating and expanding to prevent financial ruin. The top ones have enough consumers to be alright for a long while, or until the next media revolution occurs. Netflix didn't start its own studio for kicks. They did it to increase profits by cutting out the middle man (traditional movie distribution companies). Disney has seemingly bought the world to hedge its bets against any one of their business lines failing. The media corporations will be just fine.
Now, now, let us in management dip our beak. In the profits.
Wow, I watched OitNB through to conclusion and was of the impression that the actors were being well paid considering how popular the show was. To hear that Emma Myles doesn't even have health insurance was truly heartbreaking. Another example of why current conditions are unsustainable. When a CEO is making $20 million base, $50 million with bonuses and stock options but the cast of his hit show is getting $20 in residuals and can't afford health insurance, that's not just wrong, that's straight up evil.
Can you tell me what you watched? More people need to see it.
They didn’t talk about their salary, just residuals. So they were probably well paid considering their role, but that money runs out if you’re not getting constant work. Also actors spend a lot of time auditioning for which they don’t get paid unless they get called back in for additional tests. So the paycheck might not look bad for a few months shooting, but when you spread it over 12 months it’s a different story.
Ya I think when most people think of “actors in Hollywood” they think of the 1%. There is a mind boggling disparity between what, say, Jennifer Lawrence makes for a project and this Emma girl makes… not to mention the many actors who are in the background of the many TV shows and films we watch.
This is residuals and not their wages. It should also be noted they were almost all of them completely unknown before the show. Neither did anyone force them to sign for the show.
I would respect this more if they shared what they were paid per episode instead.
They should go into a new career. The actors need to stop crying.
The wage theft by CEOs and execs across the labour market is so obscene. This isn't just an entertainment industry issue. This is a labour market issue. But people have become so complacent and distracted by the inane to fight to stop any of this, until of late.
Spot on.
Just have skills worth money. Easy.
@@xMidanif you’re working full time, you shouldn’t be at risk for homelessness. If work doesn’t lead to a good standard of living, then what’s the fucking point?
@@dessieangel1021 Not my problem. I make plenty of money.
No, plenty of businesses go belly up. For that, stock holders are crushed, but the employees walk away unscathed.
Dang, when I got my residual checks from doing one appearance on one episode on Sense 8, I got a measly $13 per check and I thought that was ridiculous. But these actresses getting only $20 dollars for being one of the STARS on an even more popular show is just wrong.
This is what happens when 99% of profits go to execs and 1% to everyone else. And this applies to every single industry. This widening income gap is just getting out of control.
My mom did a ton of serial TV back in the 80s and still gets checks for syndication/reruns, etc. Even back then as a day player (where she MIGHT have a line, but mostly not), she would regularly get checks for $5 and we'd laugh that now she could afford a coffee! To think these folks have worked way more recently, had parts that were much bigger than anything my mom did, AND they were working on much newer contracts just shows how greedy the execs have become. And, yeah, it's not just this industry, but I hope it brings the topic to the forefront.
Agreed! It's ridiculous! I hope the strike produces results for the actors and writers. By the way I loved Sense 8!
@@EricaGametthings have absolutely changed! Everything is streaming lately
@@EricaGametthe 5$ would have just been residuals… she was definitely paid well before that. And I don’t know how you could expect more for small background part with mostly no lines?
Also these actors are millionaires, they too also already got paid. Not to mention they are only showing foreign residuals not domestic… not many foreigners are into American prison shows. Wake up
No, there's no industry where 99% of profits go to execs. It's rare that 10% of profits go to execs at any large company. You don't know much about economics, the size of businesses, or CEO pay..........Apple made $94 billion in profit last year, Tim Cook got $100 million.....that's one tenth of 1% of their profit. And he's one of the highest paid CEOs.
That is sick. This level of greed is insane. Capitialism should be you get rewarded for your proportional work and talent, seems like a pyramid scheme to me. All the talented workers get pennies while the ones a the top doing nothing are getting the cream.
Capitalism sucks
The studio executives are all white, male Trump supporters??? Better step up your little peaceful protests since you’re LOSING!! BTW why isn’t Biden doing anything to help the downtrodden laborers?
she's sick, she's still worth 3 million
This is how capitalism works. The problem itself IS capitalism
Exactly.
I had no idea it was that bad. I'm totally shocked. Stay strong & don't back down.
The actress that whined about the $27 residuals check, has a net worth of $3M. She got paid $100K's to film the show.
@@suomynona4607EXACTLY
@suomynona4607 you do realize the tax on that? And then the fact that they may not get another show or movie for years? Your just fighting for the CEOs to make bank.
Imagine if walmart paid fare wage because of this strike? If companies were forced to make it livable
@@georgewilliamsiii4677 Your joking, right? Their millions in net worth is after taxes. Every one of those whining actors are multi-millionaires. Why are you defending multi-millionaires? Do you believe that a multi-millionaire ($2M) couldn't live off that wealth while they wait for the next job for a year? Or 5 (that's $400K/yr)? Or 10 ($200K/yr)?
The amount they are getting in residual checks was spelled out in the contacts they signed. A strike is not the place to renegotiate an existing contract. If they want more, ask for more when you sign the next contract.
I'm not fighting for CEOs by stating that if you made millions, you've been compensated very well. Personally, I believe all CEOs make too much for what they do. But their compensation has ZERO to do with anyone else's. It's not a zero-sum game.
What an absurd assertion that the SAG strike will impact what Walmart workers make. Maybe if those millionaire actors lived like Walmart workers, they could make do with a few million.
Imagine a construction worker that helps build a toll road expecting to get a share of those tolls forever. That worker may not find a job for months or years too and the owners of the road will make millions from the tolls.
@@georgewilliamsiii4677 exactly . the fact that people want to try to defend these greedy corporations is disgusting . and a big portion of that money goes to taxes , agents and managers so Its not like their walking away with lot . If you were on a show and a company makes money every time the show is watched why shouldn't the actors . Their using your likeness and your work you should be paid as well. I think the friends cast got lucky by getting the deal they got in the 90s and can still live off of residuals today they make millions every year. In 2023 I don't think no actors would ever get a deal that sweet.
It’s called “show business” not “show art” for a reason. Having been an actor in LA… I can honestly say that a big reason why actors are treated so terribly is because there are SO many of them and they are all SO desperate to be in these major big network shows or Hollywood blockbusters. I’m not saying actors deserve to be treated terribly AT ALL… but actors are passionate people who in many cases would (and have) do their art for free! The big CEOs know this and leverage this passion and desperation to make actors feel like they are lucky to just be involved in these big projects. But people gotta pay their rent and bills. It’s time the greedy bastards pay up.
Agreed! It’s time the greedy bastards pay up! In all economic sectors!
@@moralesjourneymanyeah but they are not .unless a national revolution happens the rats will sell out their own.
There’s that and there’s also the part actors tend to think they are deserving to be paid millions. Residuals are not payment for the job they did , which is filming the movie and getting paid for that, it’s getting money forever for a job you already got paid.
Maybe the solution is renegotiation of salary for successful shows not residuals
@@ananina9554 ya I tend to agree. I don’t think there is ANY reason for actors to be paid the excessive amounts they are paid. Oh and here’s a thought… if famous movies stars didn’t demand 10-20 million to shoot one film and say… only 5 or so… maybe there would be extra funds to pay all the other actors living wages 🤔
I sincerely hope this movement gains momentum in the other sectors. It is utterly ridiculous that workers get paid so little and the CEOs make so much. Ridiculous. Only in America.
"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17
"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:38-39
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." Matthew 6:5-6|
Super cool dude. I will just other side of house
Soo, you are the short bus kid in this stream! Welcome and keep your hat. Why would a dude that took all the risks! The dude that dreamed so Jared and eventually made his dreams real. Are you just projecting because you want friends like that?
Is this kid confused about college ppl jobs and us working jobs? This had to be staged! I call bill.
lol hate to say but its NOT only usa
Netflix is just the Walmart of the creative world.
Netflix revenue for the twelve months ending March 31, 2023 was $31.909B, a 4.96% increase year-over-year. Netflix annual revenue for 2022 was $31.616B, a 6.46% increase from 2021. Netflix annual revenue for 2021 was $29.698B, a 18.81% increase from 2020.
OtNB was on 10 years ago and she is no longer getting money from the show......
@@davidkeen4972 OITNB is on netflix today, and on youtube (and other streaming platforms but I did not check...). On youtube one episode in HD is 2.99 euros so more than $3 so Netflix is still making money with it
Who gets paid for a job they did 10 years ago?
@michael4999 most actors do based on royalties and such. Movies played on TV and re runs of TV shows
@@michael4999Mariah Carey
I can confirm the residual checks won't even cover the monthly streaming fee that is airing the program you are on...😳😖😡
what were you on?
@@AC3handle They're implying "what they pay" or we pay for monthly streaming...not that "they" are an actor/actress.
Quentin Tarantino lived off the residuals he received from just TWO Golden Girls episodes while he made Reservoir Dogs. He played an Elvis impersonator.
He was in ONE GG episode.
@@jartober One GG episode wherein his scenes were re-used in a clip show episode. He gets residuals for both of them.
He was? I watch it all the time. Had no idea. LOL!
Yeah pretty easy to live cheap in the 90s bro
@@goldbrick2563 Explain.
This is NOT fair , people are working hard and lazy CEO get all the money .
Naww, bust them all down to minimum wage, we need real work done....for less than minimum wage+tips....in American society, we are all disposable because money is way more important than people. 👽
Only in America
Uh you think the CEO is lazy? Lmao it's ok you'll grow up one day and learn how business works.
@@mariomario1462 They didn't work on the movie set at all WHY should they get all the money ? Karen !!!!!!
@@judylaaper4849 uh because they are the CEO? do you know what the CEO oversees and does?? how about you educate yourself first kiddo. I know you're probably 12 and don't understand how business works but learn. Then come back
Wow that’s horrible wages for a hit show on Netflix… almost unbelievable to think that’s actually a real figure.
They are talking about residuals, which are additional to the salary they were originally paid for the show. I understand what the actors are asking for but they make it seem like that’s ALL they made for a successful show. It seems the actor’s health insurance is based on yearly earrings and an increase in residuals for past work would help them keep their insurance if they aren’t actively working is how I understand this aspect of the strike
@@annanamoose9943but their point is how this has changed since streaming took over. You do know Seinfeld literally became a billionaire from residuals
@@annanamoose9943the issue is streaming companies are earning from the shows but the actors/creatives are not getting enough residuals. Without their successful shows the streaming companies won’t be earning. They jus want fair compensation in their residuals.
@@dennisd9875 YES BUT,...Seinfeld sacrficed up front salary FOR residuals. They actors SHOULD get way more,
but I bet they signed contracts for what they now get, i.e. peanuts. in effect... "Hey kid, ya wanna work here? Sign This!"
That is so sad. Orange is the New Black was such a groundbreaking iconic revolutionary show. They deserve a little bit more. They are the reason a lot of people signed up for Netflix.
Signed up for Netflix doesn't mean Orange Is The New Black justifies residuals if no one is really watching the show anymore like when it was still running as a show.
Show was filth
No it’s not.
What's insane is that I remember the cast of Sparanos saying they got a huge bonus once awards come in...so they were better off on cable and now Netflix is like 25 bucks wow.
@@sucram1018 It's simple to determine how many people watch it, and Netflix does not pay the actors according to that number. That. is. the. problem.
CEOs everywhere need to be called out for how much they make v. Employees & how prices of service/products increase
We as consumers need to say enough & cancel streaming (subscribe to 1/2 only at a time?)
True, but the thing is, CEOs don't really care what the public thinks.
@@davidanderson6100If tens of thousands cancel they will start to care. I'm cancelling!!
@@38iknzuhelF2orrrrr they stop making shows and now no one gets an acting job🤷🏻♀️
Sagafra specifically asked people not to unsubscribe because you’d actually only be doing more harm. One reason being now they can actually show low revenue and say “see we cant pay you more we dont make money”
Netflix knew what they were about with the contracts in those early days of streaming their original shows.
As you can see here, the cast didn’t even know their residual checks would be pittance until they got them.
This.
Exactly.
Total support for the sag aftra union getting what these artists deserve. Everyone deserves dignity at work and fair compensation.
Why? The. Money. Is. There.
It’s just like anywhere else, it’s just not fairly distributed.
@@RandyWatson-MAGAnope. They have the money. They are able to brag to shareholders cause they arent paying people fairly
"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17
"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:38-39
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." Matthew 6:5-6|
Many jobs don't get residuals. The actress still got paid for her job. The residuals amount is derisory but other jobs in other industries get zero residuals. Actors and writers are not special and automatically deserving of residuals. It's an old fashioned business model.
@@RandyWatson-MAGA How many incels does it take to screw a lightbulb?
None. No self respecting light bulb would want to be screwed by an incel.
Being a huge fan of OITNB and knowing the actors made nothing from it is so upsetting. They put their hearts and souls into their work and to see they make nothing for it is so discouraging. I hope they get everything they deserve.
Forreal. I never knew that's how it was for them. I hope things will change for the better and writers & actors will get paid what they deserve
Actors are a dime a dozen.
Netflix's Witcher show went from 1.2 million viewers down to 300k. 🤣😂
@@ultramagnus1275 is their another season?? Is it the normal guy or the new guy season?
@@ultramagnus1275 hold on, I should ask, is the writer the same as the first season. (I avoided 2nd so I can bing) but watched 3eps and had to stop
I was talking to someone in Hollywood and the writers make 9000 a week. You know these actresses make bank when they’re working. A little deceiving when you say you only make 27 when they’d made millions
Damn, I knew their residuals can be small but I didnt know it was that bad, musicians can relate.
Animators and artists need to unite and strike together!
I'm not an animator or artist. and yes i agree with you! All people deserve to be paid FARE WAGES!
@bulrich610… you must be like 5 years old lmao
Careful they Def will be happy to bring in AI
@@QueenLeccare Bring in AI to do what exactly? AI isn't advanced to handle much of animation heavy duties yet. It's decent enough for some background work though. Best it can do at actual animation is rotoscoping, and it is rather sloppy at it. US/Canadian animators have a bigger problem in their work being shipped overseas to Asia/overseas. 2D artists are currently fucked in general.
@ruekurei88 it will be, the iPhone went from phone 1 to 14+ in less that 20 years....ai will move quicker.
"Residual" is totally different from "Professional Fee" where the actors get paid up front.
This is crazy! OITNB helped put Netflix on the map in my opinion! That show is what got me into that streaming service! They deserve more!
It’s actually the opposite in fact but needless to say it was a big show
Although I've never watched this particular series, I am a Netflix subscriber. All actors and "creatives" should be compensated fairly for their labor/creativity! They are being cheated and dramatically adversely affected by the greed of corporate studios!😠
Unsubscribe from Netflix if ya haven’t already!
But the actor was paid to play a role it was not free work…why would they won more after the job, if they did not spent money to make the show happen?
The $27 was what she gets paid for reshowings, it's not what she got paid to film the show. Name another profession where you get paid for the same work over and over again. I couldn't think of any other. Would you expect to be paid again and again every time someone reads a report you wrote?
@@suomynona4607 that was my point. They are in a contract with their project, and those people sold the rights to netflix and others. Is not netflix fault or other streamings if they are unhappy demand to the people that hire them more money or better conditions also is not the producers fault. They want an actress and they pay for that and they spent money paying that actress and others for the project. They got millions in profit, So? My hospital may get a lot of profit and i got the same money doing my nurse job
@@moiraohara Their contracts are old and outdated and don't account for the current environment of streaming, etc. Residuals are one of the things the massive strike in 1960 got (people weren't getting extra $$ when they would show movies on the newish medium of television). The problem is, residuals is how most actors are able to maintain a living between jobs. With streaming there is no residual income. I can watch OITNB, all seasons, all the way through this month and the actors will get nothing more from it... but Netflix will get my subscription for another month. They are making money in perpetuity and the actors aren't being compensated. They want compensation and wages that reflect the entertainment industry as it stands today. It would be like if factory workers were working on contracts made in the 1920s before the 40 hr. workweek and safety measures... and also for less pay than they were getting, say 10 years ago.
Ive always thought there was nothing wrong with stars getting paid alot purely cos they have to give up alot of their freedom because of the celebrity culture we have and having no ability to just go shopping and having to have like body guards and such from crazy fans. The fact they dont get much money from this stuff is insane.
Residuals aren't based on the money the networks make, it was off the sale of the program to other networks for syndication.
Streaming services don't sell their programs, therefore no residuals to be made.
People are being misled and manipulated by these actors. You are right, streaming networks don't have to pay residuals.
Musicians have been complaining about this for years. The business model of these streaming platforms leaves artists and content creators with next to nothing to show for their work.
While it's clear that creatives are getting stiffed, and executive pay is ludicrously high, this story fails to mention what the initial performance fee for these actors is. They don't JUST get 20 bucks, they get quite a few thousand dollars for their initial performance pay. Residuals are not the only payment that actors receive - unlike many other workers in the production, who get no residuals at all!
Thank you, this is exactly what I was thinking. There are many other "creative" jobs like artists with no residuals. You paint a canvas. You sell that canvas, that's it. It then belongs to someone else. You as the artist don't get a cut now every time someone else sells it. People "view" said painting and don't pay you to look at it. While I agree that the executive pay is high, this news story didn't talk about the actors' initial contracts and salaries for actually being on the show in the first place.
This is not just a writer/actor issue. This is like this in all kinds of work around the freaking globe. People on top get the big pay while people on the floor doing physical work getting back pain and other physical ilness get much much less considering what we sacrifice. And I still live in a one room appartment. So yeah we are under paid all of us except the bosses!
If you invested $20 and someone else invested $1000, the person who invested more gets more return, so yes the owner and the people who they need to be vital components (managers, CEOs and other higher ups) are worth more money because businesses depend on them, which is why CEOs have contracts and can't just be fired. The bottom rung employees are replaceable or at least they used to be.
@@ASmith-jn7kfwhile that may be true under capitalism - the point is the difference between what a CEO/owner earns and a bottom rung worker earns should not be so wide. Do you not understand this?
@@ASmith-jn7kfIt’s no fucking excuse to pay anyone that little. Get your damn facts right. That’s way lower than regular jobs.
Before you shed a tear for Kimiko Glenn, realize her net worth is $3M. Wealthy people have a different definition of unfair. While it may be true a $27 residuals check might not pay for a tank of gas, $3M in the bank definitely will.
Kimiko is not the standard. MAJORITY of actors do not see millions, and they are the ones you should be focusing on
@@africanodyssey4805 Should a construction worker that helps build a toll road expect a share of the tolls forever? If a show stinks and is never watched again, should the actors pay the studio for the lost revenue forever.
Actors' residuals are just as absurd as the scenarios I described.
This story is true, but they're failing to mention that they get a PER episode salary and if you're a regular cast member, you're making FAR more than regular Joe's and Jackie's in this world. I get they want their residuals, they SHOULD get them, but the interviewer failed to ask (or was told not to), mention what they made weekly.
But if they are only working on a 10-episode show, they generally rely on residuals to bridge the gap. If they can't afford health insurance it's because they are making less than $28K a year (the required amount for SAG-AFTRA coverage). They were probably not making very much... most of them were not well-known and the execs probably sold it as this "brave new world" of streaming... just think how great it'll be!
Sorry, a bit of a side track about the recent Hollywood strike. I had an experience with Motion Capture and voice acting and have to say even though gaming industry is a colossus these days, voice over actors and mo cap performers are not fully considered 'equal' talent as traditional actors. What's really interesting right now is that the mainstream, 'regular' actors demand royalties for their digital likeness when it's used on new projects they are not technically involved with. Something MoCap actors could relate to...I guess the movie studios figured that their 'creative accounting' and sometimes cruel contracts/ NDA's would go unnoticed into this new era of streaming. They were wrong, preparation is everything and they were completely ill prepared for this new platform of entertainment. PS. You almost saw me as Leon in the new Resident Evil games :)
spam comment? i've seen this exact same comment on another video
@@Gfp1995 Not really, I just wanted to talk about the disparities by default between the wages of (male) actors and the rest of the film crew that are excruciating. The so called 'below-the-line' workers who are not considered 'talent' and yet are essential to the whole production process. In a similar fashion; every DP has a team of ppl who would prepare the frame/set/location beforehand and - in a way- they're the people who create the director's vision in the first place. It's almost as if every 'above the line' creator had an army of ghost writers for their specific job. Unfortunately every back end of an ensamble work gets this treatment. Behind every composer there are studio musicians, tech assistants, the orchestrators who create the general idea.
@AnxMa. Was hoping you would comment your experience here, thanks.
One of the outrageous and insulting contract demands the production companies / "studios" wanted to put on rank and file actors : any "background actor" or "extra" working would be scanned digitally and that likeness could be reused forever - without compensation beyond the single day they "worked" on set. I have no idea why the "studios" would try such a demand for free likeness rights, after it has failed in all other "entertainment" fields like college and pro sports.
These games studios have thousands of hours of an actors voices, and digital replicas of their bodies, so who is to say that they can't use software to replicate / create a performance. Maybe not the major characters, but quest givers, and villagers, or random enemies and such.
@@williestyle35 Thank you for this feedback. We had an example of that in the new Space Jam. In the background there were hundreds of extras dressed as memorable characters from WB universe, giving their reaction/exposition to the plot. They were basically on the loop, saving the studio so much time and money.
20 dollars for all that??! This is insane when you think of how much work has been done... and how popular the show still is and will be!
@georgegershwin327 Ah i see... seems still weird, that they can't afford insurance and all after this whole show
Very misleading. That is not the total lump sum they got paid for their work for 5 seasons. THAT'S FALSE!!!
There are thousands of jobs much harder, physically and mentally, that pay even less, and nobody is talking about them. People leave home at 4am, take public transportation, and work in two jobs, standing on their feet for 10 hours, sometimes without time to have a lunch break. Let's talk about them first.
I’m a musician. Streaming is built on the premise, that what is being streamed should be free, simply, because piracy was the first move as bandwidths grew 25 years ago. Music was hit first, because with compressed formats (mp3s) it didn’t take much to steal a song. The problems for the film and TV industry have been taking a little bit longer to show, because of the data involved in downloading a movie. It’s, really, that simple. Streaming services and the arrangements, creatives could achieve, were literally pushed with the argument, that “it’s better than piracy”. Nothing more to it. It is grand theft in broad day light, and of course the stealers are making a killing. End of story!
Nope. Because the executives in streaming are still filling their pockets with the efforts of the creatives without proper compensation. It is NOT 'piracy's' fault.
The next time the media tells you these streaming companies are not making money, just remember how much they pay their executives. Then remember that the actors, from the streaming hit shows, can't afford health insurance or a bath tub.
She recieved anywhere from 15,000 to 200,000$ an episode when she was filming. I dont know how many episodes she was in exactly but she's far from some poor poor broke lady. Residuals from streaming have always been low, they aren't like residuals from TV where it's based off add revenue which can be MASSIVE compared to membership fees
I'm kinda surprised and disappointed SAG doesn't provide health insurance. And $20 a QUARTER is insane!
I was wondering about that because I know they used to. Maybe these actors don't qualify because it wasn't a network show.
@@CommaCam I'm not sure why that would matter as long as they're members. The only thing I can figure is if certain benefits require a certain level of dues, and dues are calculated from acting income (including residuals). Then streaming would lower your income and dues compared to a colleague on a network show.
For sag/aftra you have to make 26k in the year to get insurance.... If the residuals are only 20 bucks a quarter... You would never qualify
@@ajaanderson8834 if residuals are your only income, that's true. how low are the minimums then for working?
I can 100% confirm they provide health insurance and I know this cause at my job we work w the actors and others who are on the SAG health insurance plan.
I'm an electrician. When a company starts offering residuals to me every time a customer uses a light, let me know. The times have changed. Adapt or become obsolete. 😢
I know and love Lea... she was there for me when I was a naive 19 year old gay kid in Ohio (she was touring with the Chicago musical)... and we had such great conversations years later while shopping at our local Target when I lived in Brooklyn, NYC. Quite a few times, our lives crossed paths. She's the type of woman who knows how to show compassion, laughter, and all around vibes.
Yeah, the streaming model needs better analytics on viewership like the Nielson ratings for television. Pay needs to be structured better or the system will collapse.
They have the analytics -- how else do these streaming platforms know whether a show is popular or not? Obviously they can tell how many streams are happening for each show, they just don't want to share that information.
@@deemzz8275 Well, that explains the protests.
The precedent for residuals was set decades ago. What I don’t get is how their respective agents/lawyers don’t see this when their talent gets an offer. Another question is how much did they get per episode when the show was filming?
I’m not defending Netflix but it seems like a really bad contract or they got a lot upfront without a high consideration for the residuals they’re getting today.
I wish there was more transparency about what each actor/tress got for various shows on various networks. Comparing OINTB to GOT, I’d like to see what a comparable character gets per episode.
Union scale. Its about approx. 2500 a week. I believe . It all depends on the project budget. I worked as a BG actor on one of the last episodes . I was paid 158.00 for the day. That was non-union. If it was Union Background., I would have been paid approx 200. for the day.
Orange stopped airing 4 years ago and there were TONS of actors on the show. How can each one expect massive paychecks every month when they were in 5 minutes of every 60-min episode for a show that most people likely don't watch anymore? It's not like a Seinfeld with 4 actors to pay that is a massive hit still today.
What they never said was what their max monthly residuals were. They weren't complaining when the show was airing so I bet you it was much better. But they expect a dying show to keep the same residuals, that can't possibly work
Obviously she was very underpaid.
Also comparing an actors pay to the top executive is absurd on its face.
Lol - like they didn't get paid for the episodes they did up front.. .stop lying/whining
You signed a contract stating what your pay.would be. Now they want more money because they're famous I have no clue who either of these people are. Good luck with that. Did you write and or produce the show? So we hire you to be in a show and we write it and producer and make it a hit and you want more money because of the work that someone else did.
How much was your initial payment for being on the show? You left that part out.
Google it, it shows between 15k to 20k per episode . That's good money
This is not what she got to film the show, it's a $27 residuals check, at $0.01 to $0.04 a viewing. Few other professions pays you for the same work over and over again. It would be like a construction worker who built a toll road expecting a share of the toll for every car that uses the road.
.....my God!! Absolutely NO health insurance????! This is SICK.
Idk…She was payed for doing the job as actress according to the contract she signed, she did not spent money producing it…still after the job receives residual checks…what they want? To get more money from the views? She did not write, produce or invest money to create the show, to advertise on the stream…if the residual checks were higher for everyone how much would cost the subscription?
Very important and informative information from these professionals willing to be open about their experiences. CNN please keep up this great work.
.... Just appalling how these two ladies have been treated. Shame on Netflix and Ted Sarandos!
This is so heartbreaking 💔. It’s always the ones that work the most who get the worst wages.
yea like nurses and teachers
Seems like it would be best to eliminate residuals. Actors and actresses would probably be better off knowing exactly what they are receiving upfront (and deciding if it's worth it or not) rather than gambling on future residuals.
The producers are the ones who are trying to keep streaming services at a reasonable price. The writers and actors don't care about us or the working crew below them. So many of us will pay the price if they get what they are demanding.
In all of these interviews they always talk about residual checks but they never talk about what they made initially for the show. I've always been curious about that. I mean isn't it kind of a luxury to perform a job once, be paid decently for it, and then continually get paid for that job even if it's small amounts? I understand they say that their residuals should be higher than they currently are but I guess I'm missing something here. Even if you were on a very popular show if you were on nothing else or didn't continue to being on popular shows and movies you kind of end up becoming a C or D-list celebrity by default. The general public has a short attention spans and a short memory. So I just looked it up and apparently series regulars were paid up to $200,000 per episode and there were ultimately 91 episodes in the series. So after looking at it that way complaining about small residual checks (in this case) doesn't really tell the whole story.
They should try to monetize their fame online from the show in some way. But they would probably get sued from the evil producers if they use anything from the show.
I find it hard to feel sorry for actors that were paid hundreds of thousands of dollars per episode when the show was active and they were actually working.
Reporters don't get any residuals, especially reporters who write articles. This should change. A lot of content remains up on sites collecting hits and getting eyes on them, and those reporters who are freelancers only get a couple hundred for their articles a lot of the time.
I’m completely unfamiliar with the pay structure for actors and sitcoms. So, is this just about residuals ? Did they get upfront or per episode pay originally? If someone knows, can you reply?
This segment is extraordinarily revealing! I knew these actors were getting paid less, but this is outrageous.
I appreciate this segment because it reveals just how bad the situation is. I don't know of any job that pays that little. There's nothing right about this. I can, now, see why change is desperately needed.
Well they do get paid for their initial acting, this is more about the residual cheques that come from airing shows over and over again. Traditional network reruns always got big actors or well known actors some slice of the pie of that but apparently not streaming services for some reason.
$20!!! Wtf right?
What they don't show is the hundreds of thousands they get for the gig. They're just being greedy showing additional money they're lucky to be getting. They should interview porn actors residuals... nothing at all and they get viewed way more.
@@andrewambriz6784 "They should interview porn actors residuals... nothing at all and they get viewed way more."
They should 100% The first 2 seasons of OITNB there is no way they paid these not well known actresses a big amount of money.
@@andrewambriz6784 I, recently, watched a video that stated that 85% of actors don't make enough money to afford $27,000 health insurance. So it's important to remember that most actors aren't rich.
$20, compared to thousands, is a big discrepancy. If an actor happens to be in that 85%, it would make quite a difference.
If an industry is set up a certain way, where residuals are significant, and then you, suddenly, take that away, I can see why people would be upset.
As I've said in a different post, something tells me that the lack of empathy, is due to the fact that these individuals are actors and not waiters, or waitresses.
Waiters get paid a lower hourly wage because they're expected to make extra money in tips. It's the way the industry has been, for quite a while. If people were, suddenly, no longer able to tip, few people would have a problem with waiters asking for an adjustment in their pay. However, when it comes to actors, and the entertainment industry, sympathy is withheld.
The 85% number, is according to actor James Cromwell. I obtained it by watching the following clip; which is quite revealing:
ruclips.net/video/GMvYnzUE510/видео.html&pp=ygUDVFlU
Wow. Now actors have to actually work for a living. Remember, residuals are for work done in the past. They collect a real check when they do real work. I get no residuals from my past work. If they don't like their work then there are plenty of people waiting to take their place.
They act like they only make 20 dollars, right. They make lots of money but they just don’t get residual checks.
It is very misleading to compare a base salary to residual check (and yes these CEO's are still over paid). My residual checks from a show did principal work on in 2008 are now about $27.00. That's after almost ten years. I made more in residuals than I did doing the actual show. My issue here is not with the strike but the reporting creating a narrative geared toward emotional responses not facts and reason. What the actor didn't show was her first residuals checks - you get more than one. Orange Is The New Black ended in 2019, so depending on your role connected to the show, this also impacts your residual. Also to join SAG/AFTRA it is $3,000 and you cannot do union gigs unless you join (which is where you make money and build your career) you can get waived but your next gig you have to join. Most actors are out of work 98% of the time, Maybe SAG/AFTRA should reduce there membership fee which to increases overtime. Believe SAG/AFTRA Union is a very wealthy union
Kind of curious as to production of shows, saw credits on programs, it was a one hour program, but why do they need an executive producer, 4 co producers, seems like they are really top heavy in people behind the camera, and very light on people in front of it. Curious as to how much it would really cost to produce a show.
@@davidanderson6100 Yeah i think it's part of "hollywood accounting." You don't need that many people but I think it has to do with certain subsides provided to productions with a particular budget in I know film - this also may be about the continued transfer of wealth between the same group of people - I'm speculating but something is off
Outrageous, these are Artists and these companies are making millions out of their work and image!!!! Contracts absolutely need to be corrected. So glad I don't have Netflix streaming service.
As a long time shareholder and subscriber of Netflix, I vote to pay these and other actresses more! Granted I only hold 50 shares so it’s not much but they deserve more for sure!!👍💵👍💵
This is so depressing. If you look up her net worth. Only $3 million. I don't understand how she lives. We should just voluntarily pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars for monthly streaming service to Netflix. To help support poor starving artist like this.
Residuals is not only part of these actors pay, they get paid very well per episode for being on the show. Why should they get paid when they don’t work?? $20 is for doing nothing and they’ll get paid in perpetuity. They should be treated like everyone else, a job is a job. These people are entitled AF, cringe!!
It is insane to consider the way these actors have been treated. My question is, what can we do as viewers/fans? Do we not attend new films, cancel our subscriptions to the streaming services, shut off the TV? I would really like to know if that would make a difference because I would do it. I'm so tired of people being taken advantage of all the time.
Honestly? We should protest, as viewers, and cancel all our subscriptions until things will change for the better for the screenwriters, actors and other people. When the CEO's will see their profits going DOWN, they will surrender.
We are all going back to torrents...streaming use to be cheap and convenient now with ads, price increases, and geoblocking Gen z is over it.
We can avoid watching film and TV altogether, even when they adapt books that we read, but I still do not want other people working in film and television shows to lose their wages, unless they are actually bad enough and untalented enough to deserve it.
Some thing that just occurred to me when they were talking about the fans, you think about all those celebrity stalkers, and the paparazzi, and the odd mob that assembles if a tabloid story ever pushes a story about you saying you said something inflammatory or obscene that isn’t true. If you’re not getting paid properly, how are you supposed to fend that off. You won’t be able to afford Security, you won’t be able to afford property that they can’t wander onto, and you won’t be able to afford a lawyer in the event of slander.
This is just dishonest reporting. Those actresses DID get paid salaries upfront, series regulars got up to $200,000 per episode.
About OitNB I read "The report notes that the series regulars eventually received up to $200,000 per episode, but supporting cast members often earned no more than $15,000." In Indiana Jones 4, Harrison Ford was paid $65 million. The stars get nearly all of the money - they insist on it. Other actors get very little. It's not just the studios that create this structure and hoard the money.
veterans and senior citizens suffering -CNN - "crickets"
rich hollyweird actors - CNN - "OMG, this is unfair. How dare they do this to these poor actors. this is totally unacceptable"
Obviously our treatment of seniors and veterans here is awful, but at least for 80% of actors they are not rich. I mean did you watch the segment here? They are just as middle class as the rest of us, yet have a decent amount of fame/recognition
@@dr_edward_richtofen69This person demonstrated his unwillingness to see the problem here by buying into the false narrative that everyone in Hollywood makes superstar salaries … and is “Hollyweird” and must be punished, I suppose, for being politically progressive.
I think the residual pay needs to increase for sure, but they should also mention what their salary per episode was too, just so we get the full picture. Many comments on here are people believing that the $20 was the actor's overall pay.
If people truly believe that an actress on a hit show on Netflix get paid $20 for his/her work, they are STUPID!!! They could just go out and make more busting tables at a restaurant.
My point is the segment is very misleading. They never talked about how much $$$ did they actually make in their contract.
@@tintintravelers that's what a lot of the replies are implying. I think lots of people don't know about residuals. In reality for the majority of us it doesn't really matter, there are more important things in our own everyday lives to worry about:)
My residual check, for a tiny part a major movie, was about $10 a year, for two years, then I got checks for 79 cents and 54 cents after that. The movie made around $200 million in 1989.
This is a misconception. She was paid very well when she was on the orange is the new black....
Lea should live comfortably just for being such an first-rate musician, even if she weren't an actor. It's a stupid world.
Ugh! That sucks! We, as consumers, have the power to support better/fair treament of the artists whose work we consume. These streaming services aren't just screwing them, they're screwing us, too. Convinced enough us to "subscribe" to far too many services and to cut the cord cable was already choking us with. This is all a joke! We have the power to sink these ships and return to a more more traditional/affordable model that pay artists more or that artists can make more demands for!
I'm going to bend over backwards as much as artists do to make me rich too.
Just as horrendous with music platforms ripping off the artists....spotify etc, they suck.
The " Laptop from Hell" hearings this week are so interesting.
This is completely unbelievable. Do they also get payed by the hour like a normal job or get a salary or sign a contract on how much they will make at a minimal amount? This just seems so wrong.
Some of the people on that show were getting their first big role or making a career comeback, so they probably weren't payed much. Netflix will make money from it forever tho.
Actors usually get paid an hourly during shooting and residuals as they discussed in the segment. High demand actors can negotiate for more money, these ladies were new comers at the time so they would have had no such negotiating power. Besides that women get paid so much less in Hollywood than men, they probably brought in a lower annual wage than any given electrician or plumber but the work they did is continuing to bring in money.
Seinfeld and David made a literal billion from residuals… that’s how much of a shift this is. That’s why there aren’t artist like that anymore
@@j0nasbsexactly. And not only did they make all this money off that show, but they got so much brand credibility and new streamers for showcasing a "diverse" bunch of newer actors. Talent that now can't afford health insurance.
Sounds more like the union failed her rather than the studio.
That only proves that the strike is more valid and important now than ever. If a named actor gets that little how much are the average no-name actors making? 99% of the workers don't make what she does in residuals.
@@Katsujin2 it proves we overpay actors...
Sounds like predatory behaviour on the part of the studio.
@@jeremiahdillard9201 we? It has nothing to do with YOU.
Kimiko Glenn's net worth is estimated to be at $3 million. Furthermore, she is paid $400,000 every year. I hate hypocrites
The limits of viewership numbers dictate the calculated residuals.
They don't publish them because it may be too embarrassingly low.
Residuals = free money after a job has been finished.
Most businesses don’t offer that.
This was an idea from top celebs whose lawyers thought up of this idea years ago and now every single actor feels entitled and are demanding it.
Not only that, they want to force streaming services to give out more residuals.
Just rewatching the entire series this week...
Sad to here about the pay for all these actors😢😢😢
Ever since the pandemic (& before too, but especially now) these streaming platforms have blown up. These CEO's can take a couple million from their salaries and never miss it - yet Lea DeLaria, who is a genius actor doesn't have medical insurance? And what are they supposed to do really? Go get a job with Amazon? Not that they are too good, but because they have already had their "big break" after what was I'm sure years of already "paying their dues" and now they can't pay for basic needs? This is bullshit - Thank you for being transparent about this issue - more actors need to speak up!! We love YOU - not the network!
When you're doing anything contractual you only get what you can negotiate. People that understand this also know their worth so they tend to negotiate better. You want to get paid like a CEO then go somewhere and be a CEO. This is America. Funny, I don't hear anybody saying, "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" or "No free lunches" like they do when regular everyday working people go on strike for their jobs. However, people still expect their kids to be educated or their packages to be delivered. This is exactly why I prefer fortune over fame...
So happy to seem them speaking out. Like she said, theyre saying record profits, meanwhile, theyre abusing old contracts and paying nothing to the people who make their business what it is.
The unions need to push for more transparency on how to calculate a more fair share of the streaming revenue!
I love OITNB! I watched the first five seasons at least twice. Their performances as an ensemble were remarkable, they all deserve fair pay.
Never watched, never will. Smut
Team Fran!!! And i am not in a union nor the entertainment business. Nor do i know anyone who is in either. Im just on the side of fairness and doing what's right
The movie starts out with the boy walking out his door and down the aidewalk toward the road to his mothers house two hours down the road. She just moved in from out of town and wanted to see him but her car broke down. He couldnt wait. His parents had a bad break up. He got hit in the face by his dad alot. The firl with the fishing pole had a similar life, but loved her dad more than her mom.
Person insisting on a free photo, “ I pay your salary by watching your show”. Say “Thank you. Here’s your money back” Give them a nickel.
.. More like a penny.
Years later still recieving money is that what they complain about???
💯!!
They’re trying to say it the usage of AI.
But it’s REALLY about money and demanding residuals.
The pay disparity is sickening. Something has got to change in this country for working Americans. The CEOs are raping workers.
There IS a precedent -- the music industry with streaming services taking over from buying individual songs and albums (which also changed from traditional CDs and tapes and vinyl). So although the individual actors and crew members are the victims (and do deserve better), this model changed a while ago (Orange premiered 2013 and ended in 2019), so the union needs to get ahead of this for future potential issues. I don't think residuals will be the same, so the upfront salary needs to be higher, or other method to compensate fairly. The Hollywood dream has been pretty out of reach for quite a while, and this definitely makes it even more so. I used to work in an industry with so few opportunities you really had to love it to do it, but that can only last so long.
Kimiko Glenn showed her "foreign residuals" statement for a year. If we could also see her "domestic residual check" and her base salary, then we could make a more informed opinion. Also, how many guest appearances has she made elsewhere based on her Netflix fame? Signature meet & greets, book signings, etc?
Wow, you seem so much more concerned with how workers get what comparatively little they’re paid than you are the billionaires that do not contribute to making the art you enjoy.
I was talking to a friend about actors, once and I pointed out that even though they might get something like $50,000 for three weeks work, which seems a lot, they might not work again for two years. We get blinded by the big actors, on big money, but most actors are just working folks trying to make a living. I looked at Emma on IMDB, and she has appeared in just four things, since "Orange" finished. Two low budget indie films, a short, and two eps of a TV show.
Well then she needs to find a different job at this point. I do feel for the people in the industry but if I was a freelance engineer and got hired 4 times with the last few years I would need to find a different job.
Awards and having lots of fans appreciating your work - only go so far if you dont' see that materialize in a pay check. In any other "real job" - there's always the understanding that the better you perform, the more you will be paid. Even if you are an office worker to a corporation, chances are you do get a year end bonus if your company performs well. it's the same thing here. If your show does well with viewers and you get feedback that you are a higher performer, you should see that translate to pay.
I meet a lot of famous people and I have never asked them to take a picture with me. I always thank them for entertaining me. I met Lea about 25 years ago and she was the nicest person.