Ping i500 & i210 Irons Review - Mid Handicap Testing
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txg.ca - Testing the new Ping i500 and i210 irons with a 13 handicap player. Comparing these new irons against his own set of G25 irons, we assess which head design produces the best ball flight for a variety of swing speeds and swing characteristics.
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois
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All the other RUclips reviews are fun to watch and pique the interest...however, I come to TXG to find out the facts and more importantly, the 'why'. Keep up the good work.
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I tried both these clubs at my fitting. I ended up going with i210 with the idea that I would “grow” into them. I’m so glad I did. My handicap went down considerably and the more I use them the better I get. Beautiful clubs too. I get all kinds of compliments on the course. I was also fitted for a gap wedge for the first time and went with the Ping Glide. Another game changer. I can’t wait to get fitted for the rest of my wedges.
Great channel guys. Keep up the solid work.
Knowing that this is a 5-year-old review of irons. I am grateful to have listened to your comments about what these irons will give a mid-to-high handicap player. Forgiveness is often used to express the technology results but not explain how a player will ultimately use these irons.
Great videos - your guy's stuff is addicting. As a returning 57 year old player coming off 12+ years of not hitting, I decided to sign up for lessons and a fitting. Last clubs I had were DCI irons (gold triangle) with DG S300 shafts, usually shooting in the 80s. I tried a number of the usual suspects for the "mid handicapper" and these were on the top of my list before hitting and the fitting. I ended up vastly preferring the feel of the i210 - felt like a good forged blade. Ended up with DG 120 S300 as I was inbetween regular and stiff (depending on the shaft), and we figured since I was planning to work my swing back up, my speed would come up and I'd rather hit it straight than far given a choice. So far so good. These along with a G400Max are a great setup.
I’ve been a big fan of the channel since I started playing golf in April. I have old Titleist 762 DCI irons and hit my 7 iron about 165. I recently went and did a fitting and got fit into the i500. I told my fitter I didn’t like the feel and sound, but he felt the added distance was what I needed. As a 12 handicap, I don’t lose strokes on distance, I lose it on not having control of my flight and distance. I swung the i210s and other irons much better and liked the feel, but my fitter was prioritizing distance. I am now looking into other irons that give me more distance control and not pure distance. Thanks for the insight as always!
Ping are so on top of their game at the moment, lovely looking clubs, and super review 👏👏👏
Would love to see a head to head on the i500 to the P790’s
Although I got used to the look of older Ping irons, I really like the combination of help and beauty these new clubs bring.
Just got fit to the i210s by Cam, can't wait to take them out on the course. Really gorgeous looking irons, and they feel amazing... the ball speed increase doesn't surprise me at all.
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the information and insight each and every time is exceptional
Thanks guys! Working with Nate over at Miles in Ann Arbor this week. Currently hit the Ping G irons, but working on my game. Plan to check out the G425 and i500, but was unsure about adding the i210 to the mix. Current 7 iron is in the 160 yards range with 85 or 86 club head speed. Not looking for crazy distance, but similar to Sam would love more consistent distance and want to hold greens. Suggestions would be much appreciated!
Good vid and review guys , looking @ purchasing the I500 and this helped a ton ~
The Ben Hogan golf epq company are offering 4 loft options on their PTX irons the strong set go from 4-p at 20 to 44 degrees and the weakest lofted set goes from 23 to 47 degrees
Most important statement...... i210 gave player more carry, higher spin and launch , greater control.....going from g series to an I series but upgrading playability!
Two great looking irons there, tried them both and I was more comfortable with the I210 mainly due to the turf interaction.
Im really happy to see Ping coming back up the charts. I started playing during the Ping Eye 2 haydays and man, thos i500's look awesome!!
would love to see the retro loft 7 iron numbers in the i500...if you need the extra speed it should help with descent and spin numbers..would probably ballon to high for a quick player..im 56 and a little ball speed helps
I'd like to see this too. Giving the i500's a serious look for something fun to mess with.
Plus 1 I’d love to see the spin numbers and launch/ angle descent numbers of this in retro.. will it still be very hot off the face or will you gain some consistency like an i200 turning down the loft.. what effects would it have on the club going with retro soec
See Michael Newton's review of the retro lofted i500's. The retro i500 7 iron was actually shorter by 3 yards compared to his prior review of standard lofted i210's (at same avg club head speed). The idea you can retro loft the i500's and still get the same distance with more spin is not possible. There is no free lunch.
These two new Irons from PING look STUNNING! Since they lost staff to PXG PING have really upped their game and are producing some amazing equipment.
Wish all fitters were this good, sadly it doesn’t seem like any of them come close.
Ha, yeah, compare this to that hungover kid at Dick's Sporting Goods.
The idea of retro spec is brilliant! Great job Ping. And thanks for the great review always.
But new forged wedge is too expensive.
Hi Ian,Matt
I have received Miura wedges today which I won in 10,000 subscriber give away can’t believe how well they look going to work this evening and asking for Wednesday Thursday off so I can try them
Told wife she will have to get spare bed ready for her self.
Joking aside I will be in touch to let you know how well they play.
Please thank everybody at txg and I hope the business goes from strength to strength which I am sure it will.
Thanks again
James
That's awesome James!!!!!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍 Here's to many chip-ins in your future!
Have you taken them out for a spin yet? And how are they?
Do you see these two on poster in the future wearing tuxedos on the tee box with two simple words on the banner "GET FIT" TXG - Tour Experience Golf.
Great stuff guys. They look dead sexy. I am going to get a set made up of 6-pw i210's and a 5 iron i500. Been a huge Ping fan over the past 10-15years. No BOLD or brash claims, just pure workhorse improvements.
Loving the new mid handicap testing series. Like Sam, I'm a 13 handicapper with good swing speed. I've been fitted, but the fitter has leaned towards recommending P790 and other players-distance irons when I don't think I need the distance. My 30 year old Ping eye 2 7 iron results in a 175 yard distance, whereas the new irons add 20 yards. I need distance control, better dispersion, and overall improved consistency for someone who doesn't play/practice as much as I'd like. Thanks again and feel free to offer any advice for someone in my situation.
Retro lofts in something like the i500 might be perfect for you
Ping has always been a great company. Wish they would bring all the manufacturing back to the lower 48 though!
I’ve been hitting Cleveland TA7 irons for many years and as I enter my 60s I feel it’s time to buy the next set to take me into the latter years of play. I’m a 13 handicapper and can still hit clubs for distance, example 7 iron is typically 165 yards. I like a blade look but definitely need some forgiveness. I like to play a small draw but when things are going wrong my left shots go too far left. I am asking if the I 210 or the I 500 retro should be my focus for a fitting. These clubs are beautiful but beauty in in the eyes of a guy playing better golf.
Thanks for your feedback.
re:comments on the P790, given that the foam is there to dampen the sound, there is no way in hell it adds to ball speed compared to an empty head. It basically reduces (not increases) the trampoline effect by absorbing energy. It would be more accurate to call it "speed reducing foam".
FYI-just did a ping fitting and i found the i210 to feel sooooo much better off the face and have more workability!!!
Picked up an i500 4 iron to replace my 2 driving iron. Hopefully I can still use it as a driving iron, but also have it be playable for off the deck and long par 3's whereas the driving iron was only playable off the tee for me.
Bought a custom fit set of ping i500 irons in February to replace my Callaway apex cf16. The lofts are very similar however the i500 wins in the looks dept. Since being fitted in the same shaft (px 6.0) I have found that the i500 is less forgiving and carry distance is also down. Lovely club but I'm not getting the most out of mine
Thank you for addressing the swing speed handicap correlation. I saw a comment below about Sam needing to work short game because obviously if you hit a 7 iron 200 yards you should be a better golfer. Reminds me of why people have a certain perception of "golfers". Golf is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, it is a game right? Fun can mean so many different things to so many people. I don't think it's fair to discredit a certain iron or category because it' not fun to you. This is why every video says to get fit.
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Great review! Very informative as always. Would love to see your opinion on the cobra Forged TEC black irons. They have modern lofts, but I was getting very good spin rates at my fitting. Great work guys. Keep it up
With PXG, that COR2/TPE is vital because of how thin the face is. Without it, the face will plastically deform and the iron's useless. With some of these other hollow constructions the faces, while still thin, aren't thin enough that it reaches plastic deformation following impact. I think as long as the feel is there and the face doesn't need the added support, the hollow body is completely fine.
I'm going for a full bag fitting session soon and I really hope I get to try these. I don't play very much these days and I'm struggling to find consistency. I'm gravitating towards the i500 purely on the looks aspect, but I'm slightly concerned that chipping and small pitches might also be 'hot'. It would be great to see a test where you try these shots rather than full shots. I know I'd be willing to accept this new type of iron category won't spin as much on the full shots, but perhaps not on the chips and pitches.
With equal lofts, unlikely you'd see a massive difference in how your short bump and runs around the green perform.
Absolutely love your channel, and I’ve learned so much from you guys. When lofts are changed to retro spec is bounce affected much? Thanks and keep up the great work
According to Ping's website they're stating some bounce differences between the different specs but nothing concrete.
TXG Tour Experience Golf Thanks a ton for the reply. I’m kind of scared to go the i500 route because of the hot faces. I play the 2018 callaway x forged and love them, but feel I would get a little more forgiveness out of the ping i210’s.
Whatever they change the loft by, the bounce will change by the same amount.
Guys really like the videos! Keep them coming! If I have a high ball flight, would the i500 Iron be something that I would want to consider!
Thanks again for the videos, hope to be able to go visit you guys this winter!
i500's in the standard or power spec would definitely lower your ball flight, but a fitting is essential to monitor the amount of spin.
Morning guys! Gosh! im about to get fitted on the P770& p790s - now i'm thinking i'm going to try the new ping i500 now:)
Try them both for sure!!
Will do !!! and i'm always leaning towards ping :) because they are easier to hit! but will see... Thank you much!
I currently play Mizuno JPX 900 forged irons, but the new Ping range of irons look AMAZING!! Which model of the new Ping’s would you say come closer to my current set? I plan on testing the i500’s, the i210’s, and even the G700’s (I’m currently a 12 handicap), but I was just trying to get some additional feedback from you guys since you’ve already seen some numbers from all of these irons so far. Another great video, as usual, so keep up the great work!!
Probably the i210's would be closest
Great video as usual guys. Read a piece after Molinari's win at the Open on players, like Koepka, Molinari, and Reed that dont have partnership deals with the big golf equipment and thus have mixed bags. Does it affect performance? Would be interesting topic to discuss.
Nice to see u do a fitting with someone with a similar handicap to myself but iv got to say he hits it further than me
I'm a very inconsistent driver of the ball I can hit anywhere from 190 yards up to like 280 yards
Still playing ol’ G10s - working down to around 14-15 handicap I’m thinking it’s time for upgrade . I500 or p790 the front runners but I suppose I should get fitted to make the final call
you guys are busy lately. Awesome. :)
good stuff thank you!
comparisons of different club styles always turn out this way. I wouldn't compare the same iron number, it would be better to compare clubs by the distance they travel. compare a 500 8 iron vs 210 7 iron. probably go similar distance and maybe similar spin (or closer).
the comparison is moot without showing us the club speed...
If you guys had to choose. TM 790 blacks vs ping i500 (retro spec or power loft), which would you prefer? Thanks and great videos as per usual!
If you retro spec the i500's you're most likely going to lose the distance advantage over the i210's. Michael Newton (who has a great repeatable swing) acquired demos in the retro lofted i500s and they were actually 3 yards shorter (7i) than what he saw in his earlier review of the i210's (both sets of swings had identical avg. club head speed).
Ian, please do the driving iron test. would be really good to test it against P790 UDI
Great video ! As I’ve mentioned before I’m about to buy a driving iron and the TM 790 2 iron kept my attention. But I love the i500 look !!! Could you test as you’ve talked about a Ping i500 3 iron in power spec (18 degrees) with a driving iron shaft ?
That would be great !!!
Thanks !
Nice in depth review. Do you guys carry any Japanese irons with similar characteristics as the ones reviewed such as PRGR? Any general thoughts on them?
I really liked the players iron data comparison where we saw there was no difference in ballspeed. Could you do the same with players distance irons like TMB p790 and i500? Is there really increase in ball speed with the distance irons? Driving iron comparison would be nice also.
There is a 3.5 degree difference from the Retro to the Power Spec. I presume these are not a different castings / forgings, therefore bounce is significantly impacted across this range?
I currently game the jpx 825 pros. Love the look of both of these. Which one of these would be a good match for my current setup?
Am going to demo/get fitter for the i210's next week. What shaft was in the i210's ? In standard loft form, would you go 4 to PW and then UW or swap the UW for a 50 and 56 degree Glide; any advantages in UW over Glide ? Would really like to see a video on whether a 3 iron in the Ping i500 18 degree would outperform the TM P970 UDI as these are probably best option for fairway finder to work alongside i210's ?
Will be going for a refit next spring for the i210’s. Earlier this yr in February I Got custom fit at Club Champion NJ for apex pro forged ‘19 smoked irons 5-PW. (See my trackman#s below). The fitter and I were so blown away by the distance gains (10-12 yards) on my 5 iron compared to the X-forged ‘18 we overlooked the low back spin i was getting.
5 iron : 3,938 rpm , 119 mph ball speed, 1.42 smash, 17.3 deg launch, 179 yds carry, 192 yds total. (13 yards run out).
7 iron: 4,465 rpm, 109 mph ball speed , 1.36 smash, 18.0 deg launch, 155 yds carry, 168 yds total (13 yards run out).
9 iron: 5,675 rpm, 97 mph ball speed, 1.24 smash, 19.1 deg launch, 128 yds carry, 139 yds total (11 yards run out)
This is way too low. (Backspin and launch). My Trackman report doesn’t have “decent “ angles, but with 13 thru 11 yds of runout (5 thru 9 iron) obviously this isn’t good. I played 21 rounds with these Irons, love the feel &looks but i need more backspin. Those run out #’s are high, because if i hit a green with a my 9 iron I wasn’t getting 33 ft of runout. Closer to 15-20 ft. Certainly wasnt a few feet. Greens were typically soft in NYC.
Looking forward to getting fit for the i210’s. I guess i can have him order new heads and have him swap out the club heads keeping my shafts/grips. Or order new clubs assembled directly from ping. Ill see what he recommends or what they typically do in this situation.
I'm curious why you think you can just retro spec the i500 and still get that "extra club" of distance with added spin. If that were possible then Ping would just ship the retro spec lofts as the default and avoid the low-spin criticism. There would be no point in the current default lofts unless someone WANTED shorter carry. Ping selected the default loft to give the maximum distance with just enough spin and descent angle to give a reasonable stop on the green. if you add loft the carry will be shorter.
I remember when 45 degrees was a 9-iron
Did I miss it or did you let him try the i500 with retro spec loft?
what would happen if you power spec'ed the i210s to match the loft of the i500? would Ball speed match then? Peak height differences? would you get all the control benefits of i series with distance boost?
Those i210s are SWEET and SEXY but going to stick with my iblades. Damn those 500s are long though! Maybe when I get in my 50s (not even in 40s yet) I would consider them.
When doing fittings with the P790s or I500s do you see large distance gaps between irons as you progress from mid to short irons in particular?
The maltby playability factor on the i500's is like 130 that's almost unplayable? I just got 710's and the mpf is like 7-800 , I like them but love the look of the 500's , that's a MASSIVE jump for a mid handicapper (12) should I switch or no
I'm a 4 handicap and play the old Ping i5 irons and haven't found anything over the years to significantly improve my iron play. I'm looking to get a new set of either the i500 or i210 and would like your thought on something. Love the feel and look of the i500 but am concerned that the dispersion and distance control won't be as consistent as the i210 or my i5 for that matter. If I got the i500 I'm thinking about the retro loft to add more spin and control. What are your thoughts regarding the consistency of the i500 vs the i210? If they are similar then I'll go with the i500 for the extra distance and amazing feel but I don't want to sacrifice control. Thoughts? Thanks for your feedback!
Those i210's are gorgeous. I just bought some i200's 2 months ago and have alittle buyers remorse. Did you notice any difference in performance between the two? Thanks guys!
Haven't tested them against one another yet Joe, they are pretty similar in design so we'll have to see how the data looks.
Do you like the standard shafts offered by Ping in the i210's or did you put custom shafts in it?
Hey guys. I play at about an 11. I hit the ball a decently long way and don’t need any extra distance. I have only ever used ping eye 2 blue dots but they’re obviously old and a bit beat. Was wondering what I should be looking into?
The Scottish lad is always top class
My guess the foam is just there for the sound (feel). The true performance comes from the shape of the club.
Great review guys! I am 74 years old and have a 7 iron club head speed of around 65 mph. Do you think I could get extra distance with the i500 irons?
Possibly Ron! See if you can get out an demo the i500
I play an older model exotics driver and hybrid. Love the Xcg7 beta hybrid. I feel like my XCG6 driver isn't optimal for me. I see lots of senior tour guys going to Exotics fairways and hybrids. Thoughts? Reviews?
Not a brand we have in the studio at the moment John, but hopefully we can start getting some of these other company's products in soon to test.
Have you guys gotten any feedback from customers that the finish/coating on the heads of the Ping G700 (as you point out similar appearance to the i500) gets scuffed/damaged with only minor wear or usage?
I currently own ping s55. They are obviously 5 to 6 year old. Would there be a big upgrade if changed to one of these models?
He seems to launch and hit the ball really low. What were peak heights
Would you guys mess with the i500 port? At least it looks like a port. Just curious what performance difference would be if you put hot melt or something in there.
Are Ping bringing out replacements for both these irons this year?
Did he wind up switching to the 210’s? Did his lie dot color change at all from his old pings?
Forgot to mention, my handicap has just moved up into 15 bracket so just above Sam.
Are you able to adjust the loft & lie of the PING i500 irons since they are forged now?? Thank you
Do the retro spec lofts have the same bounce as the std spec and power spec? Or do they just bend the lofts weaker so you’re getting more bounce?
Isn't foam inserts 100% about 'feel', i.e. sound? ( What PXG are saying.)
I LOVE hearing the in dept reasoning, the knowledge and just things to think of when thinking of irons. I want to ask something regarding of what you talked about with the P790 irons. I play the callaway apex cf16 and I do not struggle with speed, I hit my current 7 iron around 184-188 yards carry and club head speed of 93 (trackman gave me spin numbers around 6k which I think is good) on my gamers but can krank it up a few (but I never ever do that). But the flyers...omg, they just fly so long. I am kinda leaning towards the apex pro version but also weaklofting my clubs 2 degrees. Any guidance or so that can help me out? (anyone can reply to this, especially if you have done something similiar). Either I sell my current ones and go for a club with less tech and more traditional loft or just re-loft my current ones.
Weaker lofts should protect against flyers a bit more, but any low spin iron model (i.e. P790) will introduce potential issues in that regard for a player with a lot of speed. Start by weakening your current gamers and test that out, if that doesn't work look into a more traditional shape iron design.
thank you so much. Would be epic to book a travel and combine it with a fitting at TXG :) thanks for spreading the knowledge
How much of the change in spin rate off Sam’s old irons compared to the i210 would be down to the worn face on his old gamers?
For the guys who come in and get fit for irons with such cranked lofts, how many wedges are they putting in the bag? It doesn’t make any sense to me to put a 42° PW in the bag when you’ve just got to add another gap wedge to fill the gap.
Unlikely any difference cause by wear on Sam's G25's, would have to be extremely well used (and possibly abused 😆) to see a ball flight difference due to worn a club face on a set of irons - particularly as we were dealing with a perfect lie, dry ball, etc.
Strong lofted iron sets have affected the way the wedges need to be configured for some players, but it's not an insurmountable task. Set composition has evolved, the fitter just needs to be knowledgeable in how to set up a bag for a player that has irons configured for more distance.
No mention to the stock shafts?
I do play the anser 2014 irons by the way:) so i'm a ping guy:)!!
I know this is bit late but I have just been testing the i500 and as you would imagine i picked up a lot of distance from my i20 irons but i am now carrying 7 iron 168 up from 152 but i want to know what happens at 4 iron - I currently play a 23 adams hybrid carry that 185, am i likely to carry the i500 4 iron 200 yards to keep my yardage gaps
Do you find that slower swinging players benefit from flexible face irons such as the i500? I'm wondering if there is a minimum club head speed needed to cause the face to flex.
More beneficial the slower the swing for sure, designed to help players get more distance
Hi lads I'm a big fan of yours..going to get project lz 6.0 iron shafts, I play off 2 h/cap and just wondering whats your opinion on those shafts..
They are very good, a strong performer at the shop
Are the I500 long irons something I could even match up with my current I200s my current set isn't power spec and stops at 5 iron but I feel like I need a 3 or 4 iron that I can use as a fairway finder on shorter par 4s. Great video as always
You could, likely need to go retro lofts (or close to) in the i500's to have it blend properly with i200's
TXG Tour Experience Golf ok thanks I appreciate it
Hi Ian from sunny Largs. I had a set of g400's that marked up so badly after the first 2 rounds, Took the back, Really fancy these i500's. Just asking how is the finish lasting on the clubs. Are they marking up badly?
Only had them about a week so far Gordon so hard for us to make a fair assessment on that.
What is it with irons if you can take a proper divot with a medium swing speed but when the swing is sped up it is usually hit thin? Is that a weight issue?
Could be, or could be the tip section of the shaft getting a bit too active.
Do they just bend them for retro or power spec ,or do they build them with the standard bounce, as I wouldn't want the bounce to change by 2 degrees
According to Ping's website: "Club bounce angles will vary slightly if ordered with non-standard loft specs."
If you have speed choose the higher spinning i210 - makes a lot of sense to me. However, most of us do not have that speed which makes the i500 an interesting choice. Looking at other RUclips reviews two issues arise: the odd flyer going 10-15 yards further than typical (no use to me) and some gapping issues - 5i-7i gap is perfect but 7i-PW is a bit too wide. When full sets are available you need to get an average speed golfer to test the full set to see if the gapping concerns are real or statistical quirks
Gapping issues would be down to an individuals performance, not really something we can standardize in a test. Same with the flyer or hot occasional shots, that's just the player's swing conditions on that swing, the iron itself will perform the same on every shot if struck the same way.
If I have a club head speed of 118 (baseball) is there a good chance that the p790 clubs would be too hot for me? Just got fitted and went with ping g400 lst and m3 3 wood with the loft up because the normal loft was like 290 yards and I love them. I ask because those p790’s have caught my eye but the distance scares me for when I get to my wedges.
There's a pretty good chance Dominic, sounds like you've got a lot of speed. Now if you are a very high spin player in your irons, then they may be a suitable fit.
TXG Tour Experience Golf Thank you! You guys are top notch.
Think those 2 would make a good blended set? Or would there be to big of an over lap?
Tough to blend, but you could get creative with the loft adjustments to make it work. The i500's produce a lot of ball speed though so it would take some tinkering.
Or maybe bridge the gap with a same numbered iron. Instead of 3-pw. Would be 4-pw but with 2 6 irons or something.
How does the i500 compare to PXG Gen 1 0311s or Gen 2s? Worth the price difference?
We'll do some comparisons soon
I've seen several of these reviews but nobody has used the "retro" loft.
Hoping to do that soon.
I tested the i500 against my MP-18 blades and only saw a couple extra yards with a bigger dispersion with the i500. I did like the feel of the i500 but just couldn’t see the justification to switching. Guess I’m just a old school muscleback kinda guy lol!!!
Do you guys see these clubs as a good option for a combo set? Or are they too different?
Might be tough to blend these as a set James, however if you get creative with the loft configurations it is possible.
The i500s don't feel good but they perform spins less but the height made up for stopping power.
I'm 63, i had callaway rogue but couldn't stand offset and chunky look. I'm 9 handicap. Lost dwing spped due to age etc. Which do you think might be better for me?
Look at the new Mizuno JPX hot metal pro
Are those European specs? U.S. specs for the i210 are different. Just checking.