You get right to the point without lengthy side information that wastes time. I was able to stop the video when you made your important points, type the information on a word document and resume the video. I really like your efficiency in the way you explain and share your expertise. Thank you for helping me to choose a hot tub wisely. You're an amazing teacher.
Excellent video! Very informative and many great points made. As a Pool and Hot Tub Technician myself for over a decade I have to agree with almost everything you're saying, however I would like to add that not all fully-foamed hot-tubs with skirted cabinets are difficult or expensive to repair if they leak. In the old days maybe when cabinets were made with cedar and with almost no framing underneath as you mentioned, plus replacing boards and insulation was pricey and more difficult/time consuming, yeah things could get really expensive. Nowadays most skirt boards are made of plastic composite material, very durable, weather resistant, quick & easy to work with and also cheap. Brands are also moving to even more easily removable composite access panels as you show, rather than individual skirt boards. Also you can purchase pre-sprayed foam in a box now fairly inexpensively to replace any wet foam that is removed during repairs. If you have a reputable dealer with a good technician, fixing internal leaks on a spray-foamed tub nowadays is really not the end of the world. Usually these types of repairs aren't even necessary until well into the tubs life cycle; 10-15 years at least in my experience unless freeze damage occurs or really bad water chemistry. Usually around this time (10-15yrs) you will wanna make an informed decision as to if you wanna spend money making repairs, replace or remove the tub anyway. Although with proper maintenance, watercare and occasional service when needed you should be able to get 20-30+ years from a quality manufactured tub. Spray-foamed tubs are definitely more energy efficient and can save you potentially a ton in energy costs over 20-30+ year lifespan, which is also a great feature to look for when shopping.
Hi Bryan, Thanks for your comment. We specialize in repairing and reconditioning old hot tubs. And you're correct, some repairs for leaks in spray foam could be fairly easily found & taken care of early in the life of the hot tub. But we have come across too many negative experiences with spray foam to be much of a fan of the insulator. 1) Freeze Damage - like you mentioned. Mistakes happen, and all that foam gets in the way of finding out exactly what has been damaged. If your damage is on the bottom of the tub, (which is commonly is), you now have to dig your way from the sides all the way underneath. But what else is leaking? Hard to know. 2) Pests - I've dug out way too many mummified rats from old and newer hot tubs. They love to make their homes in there. I've seen them dig their way into the most sealed/secured hot tubs in numerous situations. They make a giant mess, chew through your plumbing and make your hot tub smell of feces. You have no choice but to dig out the entire tub to make sure you've located all the damage. Put spray foam back in after that? No thank you. 3) Rot Damage - Maybe you found the leak....maybe you didn't find them all? Slow leaks are a silent killer.... If that spray foam soaks up water, it will leach into your frame and your hot tub can crumble from underneath you. It will also work against you and pull heat away from the hot tub. 4) Life Span - Yes, most hot tub company's think 10-15 years is pretty good for a tub, and so do we. But reputable companies can create Acrylic Shells that can withstand 25-30 Years. We have such a throw away culture. The entire hot tub is collapsing from underneath itself, and no one wants to put the time and effort to bring new life to an old hot tub, its just too expensive. Now you have to get a new one, and pay someone to drag it out of your backyard. People think after 10-15 years they are still worth $$. Could you imagine having a hot tub after 10 years that someone was willing to give a trade in value for? Or resell privately and now use that as their extra cash bonus to purchase a new hot tub? 5) Energy Efficiency - I'm not sure why people in the industry are so hesitant to accept that there might be innovation in this field. Rockwool has an R Value of 14 and can place in such a way to create a sealed wall of insulation all around the tub. More importantly, you lose the most heat from the surface of the hot tub, so making sure you have a well made high density/thick foam cover is going to be key! Spray foam has an R Value of 1 per inch. So some area's of the tub you might have an R20 Rating, but in other's you'll have a little as R3 or R1. Even if Spray foam is more energy efficient, the differences are going to be insignificant in comparison to new technology. And the risks of having that type of insulation in the tub greatly outweigh the minor benefit. Why take the risk? Honestly we appreciate your feedback, there's two sides to every story. We love hearing everyone's opinions and experiences! And to your credit, many people have had good experiences with this type of insulation. But we want to make sure that as much information is available to anyone watching our video, so they can make an informed decision on what is going to be best for them. For us, we decided to say goodbye to Spray Foam, and its brought down the cost of repairs for our customers, and made our jobs just a little more enjoyable!
My God finally a video that actually shows you stuff you actually need to know thank you sir. Always get your information from the person who has to repair the thing you’re looking to Purchase
I almost turned this video off because of the sound quality ... BUT this was by far more interesting than I ever expected. Impressed at the one shot video, the props were effective and this guy's information seems legit. When it was over, I wanted to call him for his recommendation. Great work!
These are all in Canada. Any recommendations for California? Thanks for great video very informative & excellent communication skills. You should be in sales!
I've been a hot tub service tech for 12 years and I agree with everything said in this video, its all genuine information. And those sunrise spas tubs are the best bang for the buck. Pretty much the opposite of something like Arctic spas where it's a 25k tub and filled with Chinese parts from rising dragon. Like you said, Sunrise uses waterways, the best.
Thanks! We appreciate the feedback. Sunrise Spas are a great tub. I'm really glad they took a chance on a small BC business to represent their brand because they check all of our boxes for a "Built to Last" hot tub. We don't mind Arctic Spas so much. At least you can get into them, but I agree on the price point for sure. They are certainly priced much higher than many of the tubs on the market. Whether it's worth it or not is up to the buyer.
Clear, Concise, & Clearly Honest Advise Without Pushing a Particular Brand (other than part components) Outstanding Basic Advise for the Buying Consumer. Thank You. Superb!
This is a very informative video I was in the middle of making a purchase and I am so glad that I saw this so I know the right questions to ask because we were going to have it shipped out I suggest anyone that is looking for a hot to view this FIRST.
If only it was that easy!!! Off the top of my head I know my brand "sunrise" "Max spas" "Coleman" "Hot springs" However each brand has different models and not all models are built as equals so you gotta ask to know what you are getting
Thank you sooo much! You are not only knowledgeable and informative but you are entertaining too! Everything you talked about is so pertinent to choice and ownership of a hot tub. Please do more of these, I learned so much in only 8 minutes!
Love the way you get right to the point. I have clicked out of so many videos (on many different subjects) because they take forever to get to the point.
www.sunrisespas.com/ freestylespas.com/ inspirationspas.ca/ are all manufactured in Grimbsy Ontario and built with the same reliable structural features. There are dealer locators on all sites. It's all about being able to get inside and make tune-ups when needed. Strong Bones = Strong Hot Tubs
wow. I thought foam insulation was all that was offered; and after bringing my legacy hot tub back to life, I can appreciate accessibility, rot, and siding issues. Great video. Thank you.
I'd like to thank the guy that explains everything about the hot tub he did a fantastic job and gave me a lot of knowledge that I didn't really know thanks again have a great day
The ease of accessibility to do maintenance is so important and the insulation type that you showed is a critical element to have in the design. That’s what I will be looking for in my next purchase to replace a 20 year old Dynasty Neptune.
Can you tell me what you think about this model. Elite 600 6-Person Lounger Plug and Play with 29 Stainless Jets, Ozone, and LED Waterfall Wife is wanting me to get it. I don’t have a clue about these things. 😂 Please suggest me a model.
I'm still trying to convince wifey that we 'need' a hot tub. I spent an hour at our local Hot Spring dealer (by myself - ha) and liked it all. I've been reading and watching everything I can find on these things. As usual, too many options and too tough to make any kind of a decision. Your vid has helped me formulate more questions for dealers I will visit. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
If you haven’t bought yet I would avoid hotsprings. Look for a company that has these things. Hand rolled fiberglass shell. An easy sourced parts list. Waterways jets and balboa electronics. Make sure the joints for the hoses are both glued and clamped. Additionally screw this dudes insulation recommendation. You want an full frame Icynene foam insulation. That will pay for its self in electric savings.
@@glennmcdowell8413 To each their own, but in our experience in repairing & reconditioning Hot Tubs over the last 15 years, the expansion foam while it is a great insulator, comes with too many potential downfalls for us to endorse it. 1) Attracts Rodents/Pests - Can't tell you how many rat/mice/ants/bee's/wasp issues we have come across, and the damage they have caused to the plumbing from making their nests. The smell is even worse. 2) Covers all your plumbing - Leak issues are difficult to find. 3) Absorbent - Once you do find that leak, your insulation is soaked and no longer retaining heat. It has to be dug out and put in the landfill 4) Rot Damage - Too many brands are built with un-pressure treated wood. If your insulation is wet and goes un-noticed, it can leach into the wood and rot your frame. There are other alternatives out there that are just as energy efficient, but doesn't come with the potential for future damage.
Sounds like getting a hot tub setup so you can access everything in case of repairs and maintenance is the most critical part. If can’t repair it, it’s basically a time bomb.
Alistair, very informative video. The presentation may of been a little abrupt, however, it was very effective in getting your points across. Thanks for posting it.
So far, this is the best video I've watched about what to look for when buying a new hot tub. I've got a Mark III Tiara currently and looking to upgrade. I would love to hear your advise on what to look into next. I'm looking to go a bit bigger and something that will last. Thanks for the entertaining video!
My cal spa motor leaked like a creek after 2 years. If you look at the end of the motor he has they still use abs or plastic like fittings on the end of the motor
Thanks, this is very helpful. Question about insulation and reading specs. I am looking at a Nordic brand spa and it says, "We insulate all Nordic Hot Tubs with a rigid, closed cell, 2-pound density foam which is sprayed onto the exterior of the hot tub shell. This helps hold your hot tub temperature beautifully throughout the year in most climates. But, if you live in a colder climate, Nordic Wrap™ provides an additional layer of insulation to help protect your hot tub from the rigors of more extreme low temps. This adds an additional 9.5 R-Value to the already substantial 7 R-Value-per-inch of our sprayed foam insulation." Is that 2-pound density spray on foam, the stuff your are suggesting we stay away from? And is the Nordic wrap the insulation that is encased in plastic that you do recommend? I'm not sure how to ask for the insulation wrapped in plastic that you suggested.
It depends on where they put that 2-Pound foam. Is it found JUST on the shell? I've seen it where the they cover the shell in foam, but then drill out the holes for plumbing and don't apply anymore foam to the plumbing. That's the important part. you don't want your plumbing encased in foam. If that's the case. Then I'd say its a decent way to go. Just note, that however they build their hot tubs is how they're going to do it. They won't take request to changing the design including changing out their insulation. But, that being said, it doesn't stop you from going to Home Depot, picking up some Roxul, shrink wrapping it in some painters plastic drop with a heat gun, and sticking it in on your own. That is always an option!
Thank you for your response -- I appreciate it. I spoke with the salesperson I'm talking to and in an email she said: "Nordic is full foam insulation and wood frames are treated so there are no issues. All our manufacturers offer wood based except for Bullfrog which is ABS."@@TheHotTubShop I'm not sure what to make of that. Do you know of any other brands in the US that are built the way you recommend?
I would look into American Whirlpool (Maax Spas). They have a metal frame, the same as Hydropool, Best Life Spas, and Equinox Spas. Arctic Spas, while they use hard foam as well, it is built into the cabinet and doesn't cover the plumbing. @@wendeed4233
excellent. Have you ever seen expanded cork used as a skirt for additional insulation? Or floating on top for additional insulation? How much energy does a hot tub typically take per season in the north east (cold, snow outside)?
I'm in the market for a hot tub, and your video gave me all the information I needed to make an aducated purchase, thank very much sir; on a side note you look like someone that could have it own tv show.👍
Thanks Perry! I'm glad people are doing some digging and finding products that will last them past the first 10 years! Let me know if you have any questions.
@@TheHotTubShop , yes. What do we need to look for in the heater. And is there a way to gauge energy usage. If you talked about this, I apologize. I have fibro fog, the fibromyalgia being the main reason I want a jacuzzi
@@LibbyRal Hi Libby, either a 4kw or a 5.5kw will do just fine, there is no difference in energy consumption overall between the two. The 5.5kw heater draws more amperage so It can require thicker wire going to the hot tub , as well as more over all amp draw for the whole hot tub. So depending on your panel box you may not be able to run a hot tub with a 5.5kw heater, I generally stick to 4kw to be safe. Avoid 110volt systems
I'm a Canadian (cold weather). I researched a lot of brands up here, I also wanted to buy something made up here. Both Beachcomber and Artic Spa had great insulation, but a wood frame (mildew, shorter life). Your Sunrise Galvanized Steel frame will suffer from rust, give it time. I am finally replacing my cover after 8 years with a Bullfrog, theres a reason they are the best made tubs. And a PVC frame too. It would be best for you to explain how to best lengthen the life of your tub. I combine H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) with Bromine. See if you can get a Bullfrog dealership
This was so terrific! Helps those of us that have had an "Orange Jacuzzi" tub for 35 years, know what to look for in the new spa. Any referrals for what to buy?
These companies we're recently acquired by Jacuzzi. www.sunrisespas.com/ freestylespas.com/ inspirationspas.ca/ are all manufactured in Grimbsy Ontario and built with the same reliable structural features. There are dealer locators on all sites. It's all about being able to get inside and make tune-ups when needed. Strong Bones = Strong Hot Tubs
Great video and insight,thanks for the information. Who is the manufacturer of the spa you showed with the galvanized frame? Do you know of more than one company that has this framework? Thanks.
I’ve got a 1996 beachcomber hot tub and it had repairs done to it from the bottom 🤦♂️can’t imagine turning it on it’s side to fix !! I cut the wood with a saw not a hammer 😏tore out the insulation built an inspection door from cedar ( same as hot tub)insulated it and screwed in place 🤷♂️ all good now !!
We are doing something similar ourselves now. We cut two square holes on each side, leaving center support and the corners, take all the foam out to do a full inspection. Make repairs and then bag roxul in plastic to reinsulate...this allows us to have easy access in the future as things pop up over the years that need repaired. We then wrap the tub in a new plastic skirt over the existing one to cover the holes. A lot of effort but it gives the tub a second chance at life!!!
I'm thinking that a larger filter would indeed not provide more filtration with a fixed flow rate however, a very large filter would have more surface area, provide less restriction and would take longer to block ya? So would you not get more flow through the jets etc.?
That's a great point, in the system design where you are running a low flow circulation pump, yes more surface area would allow for less restriction. This would reduce how often you see an error code come up due to lack of water flow not allowing the heater to be activated. In theory... in the field I have often seen tubs that are using very large 130sqft filters for small circulation motors and they have just as many issues as a 25sqft filter. I think it comes down to how we take care of that filter. Large filters take longer to clean and are all around just a bigger pain in the butt... Also I think we try to hold on to them for too long bc they are expensive and they often get more life than they should. 1yr tops In the system design of a jet pump doing the filtration it would make no difference to jet power. The pumps are tied into a bipass that is pulled open when the pump is running on high speed. This allows most of the water to be pulled from the bottom foot well and not through the filter. In the end a clean filter makes for a clean hot tub, the bigger the filter the longer we tend to ignore it, and the more effort it takes to clean it. They are also more costly and tend to be used for to long. Filters should be cleaned with a proper cleaning solution monthly, and replaced yearly for the best possible chance at crystal clear water.
@@TheHotTubShop Some great info there, and also in your video. Certainly sounds like you have been through it all when it comes to hot tubs. I wasn't aware why a filter that big would be used and it must be to allow for a smaller pump. I can certainly understand they are more expensive also. Thanks for the response.
Good, I have an outdoor acrilyc hot tub like the ones you show in the video with some cracks in the upper part of the hot tub, as well as bubbles inside caused by the action of the sun (in the seats). Do you know if they can be repaired? With what material? ..... Impossible to find someone to repair it ... (in Spain)
If you have Spider Cracking on the upper portion of the tub, not much can be done. It's strictly cosmetic, and won't compromise the integrity of the shell. The bubbling on the inside, is the decorative acrylic surface pulling away from the fibre glass backing. Again, this won't compromise the integrity of the shell, as the fibre glass is your strength/structure. This can happen sometimes if the shell was pulled too thin in some areas. The fix we have for bubbles isn't pretty, but does the trick. We heat up the bubbles, slice them, cut out that portion of acrylic, and soak up the resin with a towel and finish with Sanding the rough edges. Then we apply a 2 part AB Puddy epoxy & smooth it into the fibre glass where the acrylic is now missing, and blend the edges smooth into the existing acrylic. Let dry for 24 hours, and you'll have a patch there, but at least it stops the bubbles from growing larger.
I love your video and I feel I’m ready to shop for a hot tub now. I am weeks away from closing on my home and need to hire an electricrician to make sure my home is wired up for the hot tub. Here’s my question. Is there anything I should tell the electrician I will be hiring. Thanks.
I'm probably just going to buy a hot tub to use for three to five years and then sell it with my house. This is great information if you plan on keeping the hot tub and the house for years to come.
This is true! The brands we recommend have a long life and help keep tubs from going to the landfill after a decade of use. When you settle down, check out www.sunrisespas.com/ freestylespas.com/ inspirationspas.ca/ are all manufactured in Grimbsy Ontario and built with the same reliable structural features. There are dealer locators on all sites. It's all about being able to get inside and make tune-ups when needed. Strong Bones = Strong Hot Tubs
Vita Spa has a copper lining, blumaxx insulation batts, and 3M thinsulate. Its is a 3 layer system that is supposedly energy efficient enough while still allowing easy repair access.
We're personally a fan of Sunrise Spa's out of Grimbsy Ontario. They use bags of R14 Roxul wool to create a insulated cavity around the perimeter of the tub. We'll be doing a video next week to showcase their structure and components.
Beachcomber has a lot great qualities. They have beautiful shells. They use major name brands for all their parts and equipment. If you're buying one brand new it should be a decent tub for about 10 years, I'm not sold necessarily on the price point, as they have amazing marketing and can fetch a high price point because of their brand recognition in the industry. But, and its a big one. They haven't changed their build since they started the business. Beachcombers have single-piece skirt with no removable panels. All the equipment sits outside of the hot tub usually under some moderately insulated steps. Then they have expansion insulation blown in from underneath the hot tub. What this means is, if you never have a warranty issue (Great!) Eventually, once gaskets start to break down and leak issues start to present, they are either impossible or really time-consuming to repair. Got a leak? Disconnect the equipment, flip it on its side, dig out wet foam, drop it down on blocks, reconnect it, fill it, test it. Find the leak. Disconnect it, Flip it back up, fix it. Put it back down, reconnect it, test it. HOPE you have found the issue and that you won't have any more. But generally, at that age, if you've had leak issues, you're also fighting rot damage and possible rodent infestation as well. Most people say goodbye and put their once 15K + hot tub into the landfill. They're basically disposable. No re-sell value. If you damage the skirting, you can't fix it, if you have mice, they're really difficult to get out. Its just not a great design for the long term. Look for a hot tub that has removable panels, removable insulation, a steel framework, and builds their tubs with major manufacturer parts, like Balboa/Gecko/Waterways. They will be the tubs you can maintain for a lifetime or will have resell value when you're ready to upgrade if you need to.
Hello, I want to buy a hot tub. 5-7 person. Can you please provide recommendations? I’m looking at Bullfrog and Master Spa, however some of the information you provided is conflicting with those manufacturers. Great video and thank you for your time.
This may be the best informational video I’ve ever seen. Pertinent info and right to the point. Outstanding job!
I was just about to say the same! I would hire him in a heartbeat! What a great video.
wholeheartedly agree.
You get right to the point without lengthy side information that wastes time. I was able to stop the video when you made your important points, type the information on a word document and resume the video. I really like your efficiency in the way you explain and share your expertise. Thank you for helping me to choose a hot tub wisely. You're an amazing teacher.
I can't stand all the channels that spend 2 minutes to get to the first point. Thank you!
This may be more than a hot-tub tell all, this is internet gold. This guy needs to be famous.
The absolute most useful video I’ve EVER seen on buying virtually ANYTHING! Fng bravo 👏🏾 💯
Excellent video! Very informative and many great points made. As a Pool and Hot Tub Technician myself for over a decade I have to agree with almost everything you're saying, however I would like to add that not all fully-foamed hot-tubs with skirted cabinets are difficult or expensive to repair if they leak. In the old days maybe when cabinets were made with cedar and with almost no framing underneath as you mentioned, plus replacing boards and insulation was pricey and more difficult/time consuming, yeah things could get really expensive. Nowadays most skirt boards are made of plastic composite material, very durable, weather resistant, quick & easy to work with and also cheap. Brands are also moving to even more easily removable composite access panels as you show, rather than individual skirt boards. Also you can purchase pre-sprayed foam in a box now fairly inexpensively to replace any wet foam that is removed during repairs. If you have a reputable dealer with a good technician, fixing internal leaks on a spray-foamed tub nowadays is really not the end of the world. Usually these types of repairs aren't even necessary until well into the tubs life cycle; 10-15 years at least in my experience unless freeze damage occurs or really bad water chemistry. Usually around this time (10-15yrs) you will wanna make an informed decision as to if you wanna spend money making repairs, replace or remove the tub anyway. Although with proper maintenance, watercare and occasional service when needed you should be able to get 20-30+ years from a quality manufactured tub. Spray-foamed tubs are definitely more energy efficient and can save you potentially a ton in energy costs over 20-30+ year lifespan, which is also a great feature to look for when shopping.
Hi Bryan,
Thanks for your comment. We specialize in repairing and reconditioning old hot tubs. And you're correct, some repairs for leaks in spray foam could be fairly easily found & taken care of early in the life of the hot tub. But we have come across too many negative experiences with spray foam to be much of a fan of the insulator.
1) Freeze Damage - like you mentioned. Mistakes happen, and all that foam gets in the way of finding out exactly what has been damaged. If your damage is on the bottom of the tub, (which is commonly is), you now have to dig your way from the sides all the way underneath. But what else is leaking? Hard to know.
2) Pests - I've dug out way too many mummified rats from old and newer hot tubs. They love to make their homes in there. I've seen them dig their way into the most sealed/secured hot tubs in numerous situations. They make a giant mess, chew through your plumbing and make your hot tub smell of feces. You have no choice but to dig out the entire tub to make sure you've located all the damage. Put spray foam back in after that? No thank you.
3) Rot Damage - Maybe you found the leak....maybe you didn't find them all? Slow leaks are a silent killer.... If that spray foam soaks up water, it will leach into your frame and your hot tub can crumble from underneath you. It will also work against you and pull heat away from the hot tub.
4) Life Span - Yes, most hot tub company's think 10-15 years is pretty good for a tub, and so do we. But reputable companies can create Acrylic Shells that can withstand 25-30 Years. We have such a throw away culture. The entire hot tub is collapsing from underneath itself, and no one wants to put the time and effort to bring new life to an old hot tub, its just too expensive. Now you have to get a new one, and pay someone to drag it out of your backyard. People think after 10-15 years they are still worth $$. Could you imagine having a hot tub after 10 years that someone was willing to give a trade in value for? Or resell privately and now use that as their extra cash bonus to purchase a new hot tub?
5) Energy Efficiency - I'm not sure why people in the industry are so hesitant to accept that there might be innovation in this field. Rockwool has an R Value of 14 and can place in such a way to create a sealed wall of insulation all around the tub. More importantly, you lose the most heat from the surface of the hot tub, so making sure you have a well made high density/thick foam cover is going to be key! Spray foam has an R Value of 1 per inch. So some area's of the tub you might have an R20 Rating, but in other's you'll have a little as R3 or R1. Even if Spray foam is more energy efficient, the differences are going to be insignificant in comparison to new technology. And the risks of having that type of insulation in the tub greatly outweigh the minor benefit. Why take the risk?
Honestly we appreciate your feedback, there's two sides to every story. We love hearing everyone's opinions and experiences! And to your credit, many people have had good experiences with this type of insulation. But we want to make sure that as much information is available to anyone watching our video, so they can make an informed decision on what is going to be best for them. For us, we decided to say goodbye to Spray Foam, and its brought down the cost of repairs for our customers, and made our jobs just a little more enjoyable!
My God finally a video that actually shows you stuff you actually need to know thank you sir. Always get your information from the person who has to repair the thing you’re looking to Purchase
Thanks Carl, we made this video a few years ago, and I'm really glad it's helping people make better decisions on their purchases to this day.
@@TheHotTubShop it absolutely is. Thank you so much for dedicating the time effort, and above all, for your honesty. So much appreciated! 🙏👍💯
I almost turned this video off because of the sound quality ... BUT this was by far more interesting than I ever expected. Impressed at the one shot video, the props were effective and this guy's information seems legit. When it was over, I wanted to call him for his recommendation. Great work!
A video that needs to be more popular.
100%. He knows exactly what he’s talking about. I bought a house with a hot tub which had many nightmares attached
This guy is great.
Did anyone notice this was unscripted and shot with no editing??
That’s pretty spectacular.
Never commented on a video before. I felt both entertained and informed thank you so much.
Holy crap, what a great video and terrific presentation. Once in a while, the internet just rocks.
Dude this was one of THE best informative videos I have ever seen on RUclips. You're a gem....don't forget that bud
Thanks! Brands we recommend www.sunrisespas.com/ freestylespas.com/ inspirationspas.ca/
These are all in Canada. Any recommendations for California?
Thanks for great video very informative & excellent communication skills. You should be in sales!
I've been a hot tub service tech for 12 years and I agree with everything said in this video, its all genuine information. And those sunrise spas tubs are the best bang for the buck. Pretty much the opposite of something like Arctic spas where it's a 25k tub and filled with Chinese parts from rising dragon. Like you said, Sunrise uses waterways, the best.
Thanks! We appreciate the feedback. Sunrise Spas are a great tub. I'm really glad they took a chance on a small BC business to represent their brand because they check all of our boxes for a "Built to Last" hot tub.
We don't mind Arctic Spas so much. At least you can get into them, but I agree on the price point for sure. They are certainly priced much higher than many of the tubs on the market. Whether it's worth it or not is up to the buyer.
Can you get a Sunrise in California?
Basic engineering, sustainability & water physics. LOVE this, thank you!
Clear, Concise, & Clearly Honest Advise Without Pushing a Particular Brand (other than part components) Outstanding Basic Advise for the Buying Consumer. Thank You. Superb!
Super helpful, informative, no-nonsense video. I feel educated. Thank you!
This is a very informative video I was in the middle of making a purchase and I am so glad that I saw this so I know the right questions to ask because we were going to have it shipped out I suggest anyone that is looking for a hot to view this FIRST.
wow...I learned so much, so quickly watching this. Now where do I find the list of companies that use steel galvanized frames and house insulation?
If only it was that easy!!! Off the top of my head I know my brand "sunrise"
"Max spas"
"Coleman"
"Hot springs"
However each brand has different models and not all models are built as equals so you gotta ask to know what you are getting
Thank you sooo much! You are not only knowledgeable and informative but you are entertaining too! Everything you talked about is so pertinent to choice and ownership of a hot tub. Please do more of these, I learned so much in only 8 minutes!
You’re a natural teacher! Great instructional video! Thank you!
I literally took notes like I was in school! Taking this to the Hot Tub shop before I buy.
Love the way you get right to the point. I have clicked out of so many videos (on many different subjects) because they take forever to get to the point.
In the market for a hot tub and am sooo glad I watched this!
www.sunrisespas.com/ freestylespas.com/ inspirationspas.ca/ are all manufactured in Grimbsy Ontario and built with the same reliable structural features. There are dealer locators on all sites. It's all about being able to get inside and make tune-ups when needed. Strong Bones = Strong Hot Tubs
wow. I thought foam insulation was all that was offered; and after bringing my legacy hot tub back to life, I can appreciate accessibility, rot, and siding issues. Great video. Thank you.
I'm a simple man
I see a man smash things to prove a point, I like the video
This is the best video i have seen for a long long time. So funny and so much useful information.
Now can please tell us which one to buy lol. Like Vaccum Wars does
Id like that information too! A suggestion of a brand and model would be really helpful!
www.sunrisespas.com/ freestylespas.com/ inspirationspas.ca/
will Sunrise deliver anywhere in the US? and great video BTW- thx!
Ok I see your recommendations. Sunrise.
I live in North Dakota. Are there dealers around here?
I'd like to thank the guy that explains everything about the hot tub he did a fantastic job and gave me a lot of knowledge that I didn't really know thanks again have a great day
The ease of accessibility to do maintenance is so important and the insulation type that you showed is a critical element to have in the design. That’s what I will be looking for in my next purchase to replace a 20 year old Dynasty Neptune.
Thanks, I learned a lot that I didn't know before which should help me in my quest to find a used 2-3 person spa.
Finally someone who say the true and explain all about hot tubs with clear examples, thank you for your videos 5* 👍
Love how you drop everything on the ground!! Great information, thank you!!!
Can you tell me what you think about this model.
Elite 600 6-Person Lounger Plug and Play with 29 Stainless Jets, Ozone, and LED Waterfall
Wife is wanting me to get it. I don’t have a clue about these things. 😂
Please suggest me a model.
This guy is just running around throwing all kinds of useful information at your face. Love it.
Hey I appreciate it, I'm going to get a few more videos loaded soon about chemicals and filters.
@@TheHotTubShop I look forward to learning from those videos. Thanks.
I'm still trying to convince wifey that we 'need' a hot tub. I spent an hour at our local Hot Spring dealer (by myself - ha) and liked it all. I've been reading and watching everything I can find on these things. As usual, too many options and too tough to make any kind of a decision. Your vid has helped me formulate more questions for dealers I will visit. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
If you haven’t bought yet I would avoid hotsprings. Look for a company that has these things. Hand rolled fiberglass shell. An easy sourced parts list. Waterways jets and balboa electronics. Make sure the joints for the hoses are both glued and clamped. Additionally screw this dudes insulation recommendation. You want an full frame Icynene foam insulation. That will pay for its self in electric savings.
@@glennmcdowell8413 To each their own, but in our experience in repairing & reconditioning Hot Tubs over the last 15 years, the expansion foam while it is a great insulator, comes with too many potential downfalls for us to endorse it.
1) Attracts Rodents/Pests - Can't tell you how many rat/mice/ants/bee's/wasp issues we have come across, and the damage they have caused to the plumbing from making their nests. The smell is even worse.
2) Covers all your plumbing - Leak issues are difficult to find.
3) Absorbent - Once you do find that leak, your insulation is soaked and no longer retaining heat. It has to be dug out and put in the landfill
4) Rot Damage - Too many brands are built with un-pressure treated wood. If your insulation is wet and goes un-noticed, it can leach into the wood and rot your frame.
There are other alternatives out there that are just as energy efficient, but doesn't come with the potential for future damage.
GET ONE! I am 60 and have had hot-tubs since age 24. I am on ZERO medications and healthy and I believe it is because of my hot tub!
Love to listen to professionals that know what they’re doing.
Sounds like getting a hot tub setup so you can access everything in case of repairs and maintenance is the most critical part. If can’t repair it, it’s basically a time bomb.
So, what manufacturer used galvanized metal frame and a good insulation package?
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Just started to look into hot tubs. I have a great list of questions for the retailers now thanks for the help.
Dude you need to be the guy that does everyone's informational videos. Love the delivery!
Easily one of the best videos on the topic of hot tub parts! Thank you!
This video was awesome , definitely gives you alot to think about before making a bad decision
Alistair, very informative video. The presentation may of been a little abrupt, however, it was very effective in getting your points across. Thanks for posting it.
One of the best informational videos I've seen as well!!
That video rocked. Strait to the point. Thanks for making it fun and informative.
So far, this is the best video I've watched about what to look for when buying a new hot tub. I've got a Mark III Tiara currently and looking to upgrade. I would love to hear your advise on what to look into next. I'm looking to go a bit bigger and something that will last. Thanks for the entertaining video!
My cal spa motor leaked like a creek after 2 years. If you look at the end of the motor he has they still use abs or plastic like fittings on the end of the motor
Thanks, this is very helpful. Question about insulation and reading specs. I am looking at a Nordic brand spa and it says,
"We insulate all Nordic Hot Tubs with a rigid, closed cell, 2-pound density foam which is sprayed onto the exterior of the hot tub shell. This helps hold your hot tub temperature beautifully throughout the year in most climates.
But, if you live in a colder climate, Nordic Wrap™ provides an additional layer of insulation to help protect your hot tub from the rigors of more extreme low temps. This adds an additional 9.5 R-Value to the already substantial 7 R-Value-per-inch of our sprayed foam insulation."
Is that 2-pound density spray on foam, the stuff your are suggesting we stay away from? And is the Nordic wrap the insulation that is encased in plastic that you do recommend?
I'm not sure how to ask for the insulation wrapped in plastic that you suggested.
It depends on where they put that 2-Pound foam. Is it found JUST on the shell? I've seen it where the they cover the shell in foam, but then drill out the holes for plumbing and don't apply anymore foam to the plumbing. That's the important part. you don't want your plumbing encased in foam. If that's the case. Then I'd say its a decent way to go. Just note, that however they build their hot tubs is how they're going to do it. They won't take request to changing the design including changing out their insulation. But, that being said, it doesn't stop you from going to Home Depot, picking up some Roxul, shrink wrapping it in some painters plastic drop with a heat gun, and sticking it in on your own. That is always an option!
Thank you for your response -- I appreciate it. I spoke with the salesperson I'm talking to and in an email she said: "Nordic is full foam insulation and wood frames are treated so there are no issues. All our manufacturers offer wood based except for Bullfrog which is ABS."@@TheHotTubShop I'm not sure what to make of that. Do you know of any other brands in the US that are built the way you recommend?
I would look into American Whirlpool (Maax Spas). They have a metal frame, the same as Hydropool, Best Life Spas, and Equinox Spas. Arctic Spas, while they use hard foam as well, it is built into the cabinet and doesn't cover the plumbing. @@wendeed4233
Fantastic! Humorous and to the point. Wish I could talk to all the repairmen about my purchases as they always know the truth !
excellent presentation that doesn't waste time and certainly explains what you need to know. Great job
you and i agree on a lot thats why all of our spas use iron might circ pumps 56 frame executive pumps and waterway jets Aahs Spas
highly infomative, excellent energy. very entertaining and made it easy to learn bc it wasn't boring AF
excellent. Have you ever seen expanded cork used as a skirt for additional insulation? Or floating on top for additional insulation? How much energy does a hot tub typically take per season in the north east (cold, snow outside)?
I'm in the market for a hot tub, and your video gave me all the information I needed to make an aducated purchase, thank very much sir; on a side note you look like someone that could have it own tv show.👍
Very well done. Straight to the point, and interesting to watch.
Seriously great video.. no fluff just solid info. Thanks!
Nice, great overview. Concise and to the point and very helpful.
Very helpful. Concise and to the point. Have made a list of questions to ask the salesman. Thank you.
Thank you! Clear, concise, no bs. Great video
Awesome video thx for all the information...this is a good buyers guide for the newbie..
Thanks Perry! I'm glad people are doing some digging and finding products that will last them past the first 10 years! Let me know if you have any questions.
@@TheHotTubShop , yes. What do we need to look for in the heater. And is there a way to gauge energy usage. If you talked about this, I apologize. I have fibro fog, the fibromyalgia being the main reason I want a jacuzzi
@@LibbyRal Hi Libby, either a 4kw or a 5.5kw will do just fine, there is no difference in energy consumption overall between the two. The 5.5kw heater draws more amperage so It can require thicker wire going to the hot tub , as well as more over all amp draw for the whole hot tub. So depending on your panel box you may not be able to run a hot tub with a 5.5kw heater, I generally stick to 4kw to be safe.
Avoid 110volt systems
@@TheHotTubShop , thank you so much. And thanks for the fantastic video.
Great presentation. Your advise on what to look for was spot on. Thanks.
Great video, so glad i watched this, looking for a new one as a first time owner. Thank you.
Loved your enthusiasm!
Very good info and to the point. Love the dramatic flair:)
What do you think of IIcynene Foam insulation?
Such a great concise video. I wish you could make some recommendations for Hot Tub make and models.
I agree! Would you be able to make some recommendations about specific brands?
Thanks for the information, really answered a lot of our questions as we look into buying a hot tub.
Thank you for your excellent presentation. You've given me lots of great advice. I appreciate it.
If you could recommend the best jacuzzi for 6-7 people , which brand would you go with ?
Great job my man! Good info for first time buyers such as myself. I’ll watch this one again!
This was very helpful - clear and direct. Loved it.
I am just now looking for a hot-tub and this video was awesome! You pounded the side of it and I jumped out of my seat! LOL!
I'm a Canadian (cold weather). I researched a lot of brands up here, I also wanted to buy something made up here. Both Beachcomber and Artic Spa had great insulation, but a wood frame (mildew, shorter life). Your Sunrise Galvanized Steel frame will suffer from rust, give it time. I am finally replacing my cover after 8 years with a Bullfrog, theres a reason they are the best made tubs. And a PVC frame too. It would be best for you to explain how to best lengthen the life of your tub. I combine H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) with Bromine. See if you can get a Bullfrog dealership
Yes, If I was going to buy a new tub I would consider Bullfrog or Wellis due to their composite frames.
I just joined K.A fitness.. Man I really enjoy their Spa(Hot Tub) considering attaining one.
This guy deserves a raise
VERY helpful video! Thank you for making it. I'll definitely use your info when I buy my hot tub.
Great review
I am thinking of buying a hotsprings sovereign or limelight flair how do u rate them please
Which one did you go with. I'm looking at hot spring
This was so terrific! Helps those of us that have had an "Orange Jacuzzi" tub for 35 years, know what to look for in the new spa. Any referrals for what to buy?
These companies we're recently acquired by Jacuzzi. www.sunrisespas.com/ freestylespas.com/ inspirationspas.ca/ are all manufactured in Grimbsy Ontario and built with the same reliable structural features. There are dealer locators on all sites. It's all about being able to get inside and make tune-ups when needed. Strong Bones = Strong Hot Tubs
Great video and insight,thanks for the information. Who is the manufacturer of the spa you showed with the galvanized frame? Do you know of more than one company that has this framework? Thanks.
So, what do you recommend?
I’ve got a 1996 beachcomber hot tub and it had repairs done to it from the bottom 🤦♂️can’t imagine turning it on it’s side to fix !!
I cut the wood with a saw not a hammer 😏tore out the insulation built an inspection door from cedar ( same as hot tub)insulated it and screwed in place 🤷♂️ all good now !!
We are doing something similar ourselves now. We cut two square holes on each side, leaving center support and the corners, take all the foam out to do a full inspection. Make repairs and then bag roxul in plastic to reinsulate...this allows us to have easy access in the future as things pop up over the years that need repaired. We then wrap the tub in a new plastic skirt over the existing one to cover the holes. A lot of effort but it gives the tub a second chance at life!!!
great video - clear, informative, and concise
I'm thinking that a larger filter would indeed not provide more filtration with a fixed flow rate however, a very large filter would have more surface area, provide less restriction and would take longer to block ya? So would you not get more flow through the jets etc.?
That's a great point, in the system design where you are running a low flow circulation pump, yes more surface area would allow for less restriction. This would reduce how often you see an error code come up due to lack of water flow not allowing the heater to be activated.
In theory... in the field I have often seen tubs that are using very large 130sqft filters for small circulation motors and they have just as many issues as a 25sqft filter. I think it comes down to how we take care of that filter. Large filters take longer to clean and are all around just a bigger pain in the butt... Also I think we try to hold on to them for too long bc they are expensive and they often get more life than they should. 1yr tops
In the system design of a jet pump doing the filtration it would make no difference to jet power. The pumps are tied into a bipass that is pulled open when the pump is running on high speed. This allows most of the water to be pulled from the bottom foot well and not through the filter.
In the end a clean filter makes for a clean hot tub, the bigger the filter the longer we tend to ignore it, and the more effort it takes to clean it. They are also more costly and tend to be used for to long.
Filters should be cleaned with a proper cleaning solution monthly, and replaced yearly for the best possible chance at crystal clear water.
@@TheHotTubShop Some great info there, and also in your video. Certainly sounds like you have been through it all when it comes to hot tubs. I wasn't aware why a filter that big would be used and it must be to allow for a smaller pump. I can certainly understand they are more expensive also.
Thanks for the response.
Great video! So amazing that you did it all in one take!
what brands of tub would you recommend to get all the features you said are the best to have?
Now, there's the million dollar question. 👍
I have not found a hot tub with bagged insulation. Would you suggest a brand?
Good,
I have an outdoor acrilyc hot tub like the ones you show in the video with some cracks in the upper part of the hot tub, as well as bubbles inside caused by the action of the sun (in the seats). Do you know if they can be repaired? With what material? ..... Impossible to find someone to repair it ... (in Spain)
If you have Spider Cracking on the upper portion of the tub, not much can be done. It's strictly cosmetic, and won't compromise the integrity of the shell. The bubbling on the inside, is the decorative acrylic surface pulling away from the fibre glass backing. Again, this won't compromise the integrity of the shell, as the fibre glass is your strength/structure. This can happen sometimes if the shell was pulled too thin in some areas. The fix we have for bubbles isn't pretty, but does the trick. We heat up the bubbles, slice them, cut out that portion of acrylic, and soak up the resin with a towel and finish with Sanding the rough edges. Then we apply a 2 part AB Puddy epoxy & smooth it into the fibre glass where the acrylic is now missing, and blend the edges smooth into the existing acrylic. Let dry for 24 hours, and you'll have a patch there, but at least it stops the bubbles from growing larger.
Great presentation of some really useful information. Thank you!
How many horsepower is the SX980? What’s the difference between the SX970 and the SX980 other than the number of jets being 52 and 61?
So, which brand and model has the steel frame, good pump and filter system with the good insulation and skirt?
I love your video and I feel I’m ready to shop for a hot tub now. I am weeks away from closing on my home and need to hire an electricrician to make sure my home is wired up for the hot tub. Here’s my question. Is there anything I should tell the electrician I will be hiring. Thanks.
How many pumps does a small tub need? American whirlpool 451 only has one pump, the 460 has two. Is two better?
I'm probably just going to buy a hot tub to use for three to five years and then sell it with my house. This is great information if you plan on keeping the hot tub and the house for years to come.
This is true! The brands we recommend have a long life and help keep tubs from going to the landfill after a decade of use. When you settle down, check out www.sunrisespas.com/ freestylespas.com/ inspirationspas.ca/ are all manufactured in Grimbsy Ontario and built with the same reliable structural features. There are dealer locators on all sites. It's all about being able to get inside and make tune-ups when needed. Strong Bones = Strong Hot Tubs
Wow!!! Great info!
which brands of hot tubs use encapsulated insulation -vs- expansion foam? We are thinking of purchasing a hot tub at our new home -
Vita Spa has a copper lining, blumaxx insulation batts, and 3M thinsulate. Its is a 3 layer system that is supposedly energy efficient enough while still allowing easy repair access.
We're personally a fan of Sunrise Spa's out of Grimbsy Ontario. They use bags of R14 Roxul wool to create a insulated cavity around the perimeter of the tub. We'll be doing a video next week to showcase their structure and components.
Could you suggest a swim spa?
When you’re just trying to get informed about hot tubs and you end up falling in love with this guy😍😍😍. ❤🤣🤣🤣🤣
Loved your explanation!
Awesome !! what's your thoughtd on a Beachcomer ?
Beachcomber has a lot great qualities. They have beautiful shells. They use major name brands for all their parts and equipment. If you're buying one brand new it should be a decent tub for about 10 years, I'm not sold necessarily on the price point, as they have amazing marketing and can fetch a high price point because of their brand recognition in the industry.
But, and its a big one. They haven't changed their build since they started the business. Beachcombers have single-piece skirt with no removable panels. All the equipment sits outside of the hot tub usually under some moderately insulated steps. Then they have expansion insulation blown in from underneath the hot tub.
What this means is, if you never have a warranty issue (Great!) Eventually, once gaskets start to break down and leak issues start to present, they are either impossible or really time-consuming to repair. Got a leak? Disconnect the equipment, flip it on its side, dig out wet foam, drop it down on blocks, reconnect it, fill it, test it. Find the leak. Disconnect it, Flip it back up, fix it. Put it back down, reconnect it, test it. HOPE you have found the issue and that you won't have any more. But generally, at that age, if you've had leak issues, you're also fighting rot damage and possible rodent infestation as well. Most people say goodbye and put their once 15K + hot tub into the landfill. They're basically disposable. No re-sell value.
If you damage the skirting, you can't fix it, if you have mice, they're really difficult to get out. Its just not a great design for the long term.
Look for a hot tub that has removable panels, removable insulation, a steel framework, and builds their tubs with major manufacturer parts, like Balboa/Gecko/Waterways. They will be the tubs you can maintain for a lifetime or will have resell value when you're ready to upgrade if you need to.
Hello, I want to buy a hot tub. 5-7 person. Can you please provide recommendations? I’m looking at Bullfrog and Master Spa, however some of the information you provided is conflicting with those manufacturers. Great video and thank you for your time.