Great video, excellent points! My wife and I just ventured into owning our first spa. We bought an entry level spa from Home Depot the brand was QCA. A 5-person spa for around $5500. I had a concrete slab poured, and had my electrician wire. So that cost me about another $1600. So I'm a bit over $7000. I attempted buying from a spa store, but being honest their prices scared me away. I couldn't find anything for much under $10,000 and none of them seemed willing to bargain, so out of default I compared between Sams Club and Home Depot. It took about 3 months for it to deliver, but it finally came around Christmas time. I just used it today for the first time! Very happy to hear this investment will last around 10 years. Not sure if I should purchase the extended warranty or not, but do have some time to decide. Best Wishes, and thanks again for your video!
Nice video, as an electrician i can tell you that a 120 volt hot tub is no less efficient than a 220 volt. they both heat water and run a pump. however a 120 volt takes twice the time to heat so in northern climates they are usually not capable of keeping the water hot when you use them in winter.
Not true. P = UI I = P/U I = 4,000W/120V I = 33A ================== P = UI I = P/U I = 4,000W/220V I = 18A P: Power in Watts U: Voltage in Volts I: Current in Ampere Higher voltage draws less current which means less consumption and vice versa.
We ordered one from Wayfair online. About $7,000 CDN delivered. 50 AMP, 2 motor, 32 jet, 7 foot x 7 foot (6 person, but really 4 person). Electrician was $1,500 CDN. I put it on a gravel square that i levelled myself. I think our bill has gone up on average about $40 CDN per month. It's a made in Mexico Cyanna Valley Supreme X.
Great tip on the outside breaker box. I didn't know about that either until I was ready to buy a hot tub. I was glad I called an electrician first before I did. He looked at our breaker box and said he couldn't do anything with it. Said there was no slots available and it was quite old. He said it would be about 3,000 just for him to install a new one. He did give us a great tip though, he said to call the energy provider and see if they would replace it for free or for a low cost. We did that instead. We couldn't afford that extra cost. It took 2 years but the energy provider finally replaced the outside breaker box and now I'm looking for a hot tub again! Unfortunately now with COVID it's going to make it difficult 😕 .
Wow. That never occurred to me to call the power company! Good tip. I did get 1 quote that was $3k, and another for $2.2k. But the company I finally hired didn't have to swap the panel; they had some sort of a dual breaker that was able to handle more than 1 circuit. And they only charged $700!
Great videos. Keep ‘em coming. I just bought a house that came with a hot tub. I’ve never had one before and I don’t know anything about them. You are a wealth of information!
My Hot tub is from 2006 and I think it is time to for the upgrade : ) Had some issues with gaskets which i replaced but when I closed the slice valves 2 of them started to leak so it is all going down hill..
I brought a $350. GoPlus 6 person portable inflatable hot tub online from Walmart. Built a platform 8'x8' (using pressure treated 2x4's for the frame/joists & trex decking as the finished surface) & put a $230. tent over it & it looks like a gazebo as it sits on top of the existing concrete patio, so the hot tub wouldn't be directly on the concrete. Used it once so far. & i went that route to keep the cost low, if I don't use it as much, im satisfied, not mush money went to waste. I can still use the gazebo for other events. & if i do use it alot & need to upgrade, i can, for a bigger or better hot tub.
I LOVE your hot tub channel! It’s the best out there for we owners who know nothing about hot tubs. I, too, inherited a Lifestyles Prodigy hot tub when I bought my house, but had trouble since day 1 keeping it sparkling clear. The former owner used Baqua Spa products. I purged the hot tub about 5 times so far, because I didn’t know what had been in there! Lol! Now, I’d like to have safe water and want the salt water converter you mentioned because I have health issues. Thank you so much for helping us out!
Loved the info that you gave out about the hot tub’s. Your video was very informative. However, As a licensed electrical contractor I can tell you it’s not about the open slots in your panel. It’s about the calculated load on the main feeders. As an electrician I teach my customers that having open breaker spaces in your panel is much like having checks for your checking account. Just because you have the checks does not mean you have the funds in your account, or in this case just because you have the panel spaces doesn’t mean your panel can’t handle the calculated load.
Thanks, Justin. I appreciate the insight! I was just repeating what the electricians told me at the time, but maybe they dumbed it down for me! So if I get you correctly, you'd need both an open slot and big enough main breakers to handle the additional load?
Hot Tub Owner HQ: not just the main breaker but also the wires that feed them. When we do a residential load calculation for a panel at build we will calculate for all the fastened in place appliances. So if the hot tub load was not calculated for in the specs at build it is a large enough load to push your feeder conductors beyond their temperature ratings causing damage to the thermal insulation.
Awesome video! Answered alot of my questions. I do have a question for you though.... what are your thoughts on swim spas. More specifically the higher end ones. I have young kids who really want a "pool" and I really want a hot tub. I'm debating on getting a nice above ground pool like doughboy..... but now I'm thinking that maybe a swim spa will kill two birds with one stone. Any info/ advice is much appreciated!
I love the idea of a swim spa! But if money was no object, I'd get an in-ground pool and a regular hot tub. As it stands, where I live, the ground is so rocky that pool companies charge an extra $20k just for rock removal, so I got an above ground pool I just placed on a truckload of sand (watch my setup video if you're interested - ruclips.net/video/G4FXoLw6tQM/видео.html) and then eventually I built a deck around it and that was way cheaper than either. But a swim spa does cover all the bases and would still be way cheaper than an in-ground pool.
Just bought a Masterspa from a traveling roadshow that they do. We bought it in February and it arrived at the end of April (exactly 10 weeks from when we bought it). We got the "Acclaim" model, which is an 8x8, 420 gallon with a chaise lounge. We absolutely love it! I had watched several of your videos before and during the wait until it arrived. Thanks for your content. I heard there's going to be a major Chlorine shortage this summer due to a factory explosion recently that supplies a good majority of the chlorine in the states. So stock up if need be.
So glad I stumbled on your channel. The home we just bought came with a hot tub and we've never had one. Needless to say, we have no idea what we're doing!! I'll be sure to check out all of your videos!
I'm about to buy my third hot tub . started 30 years ago and still use it at least 5 times a week. $20 a month on utility. lol lol. they told me $15 a month in 1990 and it was $50 a month. if you never use it or maybe turn the temp up for a saturday nite soak maybe you get buy for $30 a month. In California it would cost over $100 a month easy. Mine (hot springs) runs about $60 minimum. I really don't check it. But figure at least $50 a month to start. just saying, not trying to be critical. Oh but its worth it and then some.
I just bought a 6 person 45 jet 110V (convertible to 220V) hot tub for $3200. I will probably use the 110V this spring and summer and get an electrician to hardwire it for the winter. I figure that will cost $800-$1000 tops. Free delivery. So for $4000 you can have an awesome hot tub. You dont need to spend $18,000 or even $8000-$10000.
@@bpierrealix DOing great thanks. Got it on Wayfair. I think their price has increased to 4k since i bought it. SLipped the delivery crew a 100 to bring it to my backyard and had it running within a day or so. Loving it, use it at least 3 times a week
I got a lifetime deal on my tub right place right time. Person saved all receipts and was moving out of state. Waterfalls leds tons of jets speakers. I had to pay several people to help me move it correctly, it was 1100 pounds empty and we had to go down a cliff location. But the wiring materials alone cost 600 to do myself and another 3-400 building a correct pad. Expect to spend a good amount even if you do it all yourself and using the right materials. And the proper chemicals.
Yes, I've done the buying used DIY thing myself and it was about $2000 total and a lot of elbow grease. But it was still a lot cheaper than buying a brand new one would have been.
One of the best information sites I have found great at answering my questions and concerns. You make me feel comfortable going into a store knowing the info you have given. Cannot thank you enough!! I will recommend others to go to your site.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that feedback. You have no idea. Making the videos and uploading them is kind of a lonely job so it's great to hear people on the other end of it appreciating the hard work that goes into it.
If you bought a new hot tub, you still didn't have any extra space on your panel. The cost to add a hot tub to your house was a fixed cost, not dependent on buying new or used
you are correct about 10 to 15 years. at 10 years you will replace parts, pump, heater, control board, at 15 years you need it again but its time to get a new one. I had both of mine 15 years each
Well I did live iin Oakland at one time (near Jack London Square) but didn't have a hot tub at the time. But for sure, PG&E was not high of my list of things I loved about the Bay Area!
Hi Anthony. Sorry for my delay! Nordic makes more than one with XL in the name, but when comparing the Warrior XL to the Bullfrog, I lean towards the Bullfrog. Both companies look pretty good when you read reviews and their BBB profiles (0 complaints on Bullfrog and only 1 for Nordic from a few years ago). I like that Bullfrog doesn't frame their tubs with wood (no rot) and I like that their plumbing systems have a lot less pipes and places to later potentially leak. Nordic also has a lot of features you have to pay extra for (hence your higher price tag) so it seems like you get more features paying the base price for Bullfrog. Let me know which way you go! - Jeff
I just agreed to buy a Aqua Elite 500 from an individual for 1200. It's still in the packaging and includes the steps and covering. I was told it comes with an ozone generator. I am in North Florida and our water is pretty hard. I ordered the 3 part test strips you recommended but I probably need to test for water hardness. I have enjoyed your videos. I have a concrete patio that has a slight drain away from the house so I ordered some hard plastic strip spacers. Are there other things you recommend? I saw the cover holder and I read if you use ozone it's best to have something under the cover as ozone is bad on the covers. I have never owned a hot tub or a pool but figured if this works out we might get the pool my wife as always wanted. I am about 7 months from retirement. But I figure testing the waters on upkeep with a hot tub. I have my son coming to help me move it and the seller said he would help. The tub is about 300 lbs. it comes as a 120 but can convert to 220 but my box probably would have to be replaced. So we are going to try it on 120 first. It says seats five but reviewer say it more like a 4 person.
Thank you for this video. I found it very informative. I'm about two years away from making this purchase so I'm starting my homework early! I do have a few question for you. Before I purchase a hottub what are the steps a homeowner should do to prepare their backyard for this? Would it make sense to have an electrician come to your property first to make sure you have all the electrical requirements set before purchase? Will the filtration system be a disturbance to my neighbour's? If so how can I minimize this potential issue? Thank you so much Jessica
Thank you for all the great information we attended a hot tub expo last night and was very hesitant. We walked away to think about it and you have really helped me in my decision making. Ill definitely be tuning in to learn more, thanks!!! Now off to the bank $$$$
Hi Dan, I don't have any direct experience with Therospas although I know they claim theirs are energy efficient and supposedly use the heat generated to help keep it insulated. Are you saying they don't use any foam at all?
Hi Tim Others have said that too. My feeling was the lower power would be working harder to keep the water hot. But as I do point out, I'm not an electrician, so I may be wrong.
Thank you for the video. I just subscribed to your channel. Any advice between jacuzzi or hot tub which is better for the cold dam climate like the UK? Thanks x
Hi Imasar Insulation is really the big factor, along with the power of the heater. Jacuzzi (and the other brands that they own like Sundance, Dimension One and others) tend to use full-foam insulation, which is better than partial-foam but still not great. So whether Jacuzzi, or someone else, I would look for what they call barrier, fiber-core, or multi-density foam insulation. Typically, you'll find those with brands like Hot Spring Spas or Atera.
Killer video. You rock. How much do you expect that $20-30 electric bill cost to increase for winter months in a northern state like MI? Double? Triple?
Hi Dusty Thanks! Bear in mind I haven't lived in those type of states with a hot tub, and the quality of the insulation and the kilowatt rating of the heater would both have an impact, but I suspect it might double when it drops below freezing outside.
Great video but I have to take exception with 1 comment. Plug and play tubs like the Spaberry that I own are 1 or 2 very friendly people tubs. That's all the heat 110 volts will supply. 220/40 tubs are full size. So to say the 110 will cost you more should be qualified that it may cost you a bit more per body using the tub. My Spaberry is about $1Can day during the winter here in southern BC. The cost savings of not having to run 220 through the house to the tub by a certified electrician completely blows the cost equation out of the water amortized over the life of the hot tub. And then there is the reinforcing of a deck that might be required for a 220 sized tub. The 110 should be considered personal hot tubs or occasionally for couples. For families and parties, 220 is the only option.
Thanks! I hadn't really thought about it in terms of the number of people, but instead # of gallons and power of the heater. I have definitely seen plug n play tubs that will hold more than 2 people, but maybe you're not seeing those in BC?
@@HotTubOwnerHQ I'm not really up to speed on current models. In fact, our Spaberry was an impulse buy at a rodeo event in southern BC in 2012. I had seen one a couple of years earlier at a hardware store and was surprised to see a 110 volt model. I didn't know they existed. Seeing it again at the rodeo and envisioning it in a narrow space under our deck, we grabbed it mainly for it's shape and easy install. I never thought I'd be a hot tub kinda guy but I have been using it 2-4 times a week. The only work it has needed was a replacement of the plug in control panel 3 years ago. Other than some fading, it's been flawless, even with regular -12 to -20 C night temperatures in January. I cheat a bit having a piece of styrofoam cut to the shape of the waterline (with head and arm (for beers) cutouts) floating on top as well as the lid. At -20, the open water cools down 2-3 degrees over 20-30 minutes. The 110 heater just can't keep up. Good channel. Good information. Keep it up!
I'm actually heading to see a master spa dealer today to look at the clarity balance 7 and the Twilight 7.2. It seems like everybody claims that they're hot tub is the most energy efficient without any government energy guide proof. I also found that everybody has their own special patented cleaning or chemical or some sort of gimmicky Pitch. I appreciate your video I will try to Hear your opinion on more of the subjects that concern me when purchasing a hot tub Like best type of insulation Best type of casing? ....
Thanks, Ryan. I'm pretty happy with my Master Spas Twilight tub and it's fairly old. The best kind of insulation is called multi-density foam and the worst kind is called partial foam insulation. Chances are Master Spas is going to be somewhere in the middle of those 2, probably Full foam insulation. I do have an article on my website that gives you more detail on insulation if it's helpful - hottubownerhq.com/can-you-add-insulation-to-a-hot-tub/
So the local place sells jacuzzi and their budget mode is a specially made for them J-135 except the warranty is only 2 years instead of 5, should this be a red flag? They have it marked at $6999 after $1000 off for their biggest sale of the year which is Labor Day. I’m thinking I should negotiate down to $5999
Hi Nolen. It doesn't hurt to ask. The best time of year to buy is coming up (late Sept-late Dec), so if you don't have to have it right now, most likely waiting another 1-2 months will get you an even better price. I don't think I'd be overly concerned about the warranty; you most likely won't have major issues in under 5 years.
I was in our local Master Spa and was actually looking at their small 2-3 person 240 model (smallest spa in the Twilight series). Their Labor Day sale is $7,999 from a MSRP of $12,000 or so. Anyone out there now how much more I could realistically negotiate down from the sale price?
Hi Donovan. Offhand, 8k for a 2-3 person tub seems really high! But I also haven't been in a hot tub showroom in a long time either. The 4th quarter, basically Oct-Dec is the best time of year to buy assuming the dealer still has a lot of this year's inventory on hand. Just like with a car dealer, they want to clear out the old stuff to make way for the new stuff. So if I were in your shoes, if it looked like the showroom was packed, I'd wait another 2-4 weeks and go in and see what the price is. Hot tub dealers don't always negotiate on price the way car dealers do, but there's also no harm in making an offer.
Thanks for the helpful video. So much to learn. How is a 220v heater more energy efficient than a 110v, though? They both convert electrical current to heat at the same efficiency. The 220v just uses more energy to do it faster.
Hi Tyler I'm not an electrician, so I could definitely be mistaken. But as I understand it, it's more the hot tub that's less efficient than the current itself. The 110 v ones can't usually run the jets and the heater at the same time. That potentially causes the heater to have to work harder when it does kick back on. But we're still talking a fairly minor difference. Thanks for being here! Jeff
@@Ant4291 I think you're misunderstanding something. 110 and 220 heaters are both 100% efficient in terms of converting the electrical energy they receive to heat. The total efficiency of the hot tub comes down to insulation, and to a small degree, the management of waste heat like that generated by the jets/circulation pump. 220v models are generally more expensive and higher end, and so tend to be better insulated and thus more efficient. But there's no reason a 110v tub could not be insulated to the same degree, and achieve the exact same efficiency. The only law that comes into play between the two is Joule's first law, which in this case relates to the heat lost in the wire as the current travels to the tub. This is the only case in which 220 will *always* have a tiny edge over 110, but the difference would literally be imperceptible on an electric bill, even over many years.
220 is not more efficient. It uses twice the votage but half the amperage, E×I=VA same amount of watts. Only advantage is smaller wire needed for same # of watts. Electrician.
I was thinking of purchasing the grand cayman dual zone swim spa but can’t find anything about quality integrityspas has it listed for 16.500 do you have any thoughts on it?
Hi Orlando. That looks really nice! I hadn't heard much about it either. Integrity themselves have a B+ rating with the Better Business Bureau. On that site they have 33 reviews and rate 4.5 stars. Then on the complaint side, they have 14 from the past 3 years. The good news is the company responds to these complaints. Many are about delays in receiving their swim spas or hot tubs. And with the current partial shutdown situation, you should definitely expect it to take longer to get yours than normal. Other complaints are about getting timely warranty service but if you have a dealer in your town you can just call or talk to in person, that's less of a concern for me too. Damage during delivery seems to be a common issue too, so just make sure you fully inspect it when they deliver it before you sign to receive it. Also, some people claimed to not be aware that they were responsible for moving it to the final site, so just make sure to negotiate that when you buy it. But overall I feel pretty good about it. Let me know what you decide! Jeff
I’m currently looking into purchasing a hot tub. Can you please tell me what you know of lazy boy hot tubs. I really want to do it right the first time and get a nice hot tub one that has Good power coming from the Jets.
Hi Abe Funny, I didn't even know they made hot tubs! I've had furniture from them in the past and it held up well (but was a little pricey as I recall). It doesn't look like they do a ton of business in the US, so if you're in Canada (where they seem to have a lot of dealers), you'll probably be fine (from a service and warranty standpoint). If you're in the US, I might tend to go with someone else just because having to call Canada every time I had an issue or possibly finding a local service person willing to do their warranty work sounds like a potential headache. Do you have a dealer near you? Jeff
I am familiar, and I had that once upon a time in one of my previous hot tubs. It's been a few years, but I seem to recall it was kind of expensive compared to adding chemicals as needed. But it was a nice set-it-and-forget-it kind of system.
Hi John. Interesting question as I'd never heard of that one before. Looks to be built on a steel frame which sounds sturdy (but also heavy in case you were thinking of putting it on a deck). They also look to be very customizable which is nice. I like their lifetime frame warranty and method of insulation too. It looks like the parent company is MAAX Spas Industries Corp and they have an A+ rating with the BBB which is good. It also seems they've been in business over 40 years which tells me they likely value reputation and word of mouth referrals. They have 6 complaints on the BBB site which is pretty awesome for a company that's been around that long (many have hundreds of complaints). Most of those are from 2017 and 2018, so maybe that was an off time for them. At any rate, I can't find pricing, but they look to be a great hot tub company. Let me know if you get one and how you like it! - Jeff
Hi Ed Sorry if I wasn't clear. Most people spend about $20/month on hot tub electricity. Chemicals and filter maintenance could add another $20/month to that although the biggest expense on filters would be the little bit of chemical cleaner you use every 3 months and then replacing them every 1-2 years. Hope that helps! Jeff
Thanks for the information, I'm ready to pull the trigger but I wasn't 100% sure on chemicals and monthly electrical bill. I live in the north east, just need to decide on what tub for my region...... Colder climates
Hi Donovan. Great question. Generally speaking, when I say the average hot tub owners spends about 7,000 for their 1st hot tub, that's for one that holds 6-8 people. For the most part, I'm never talking about those tiny ones that only hold 2-3 people as most people want something larger. When I say basic low end ($k-8K), that's probably 4-6 people. Mid range and high end is probably 6-8 people and luxury is more like 8-10. Hope that helps! Thanks Jeff
Great question! The heater is typically an integral part of the control pack with the pump and blower plugging into it but the heater is typically hardwired as part of the control pack. But I suppose if you were comfortable with electrical components, and obviously cut the power at the disconnect to the hot tub if we're doing anything, you could probably disconnect the heater inside the control pack do what you're talking about. For me, I usually find it just fine to just switch to economy mode which keeps the temperature somewhere in the high 80s or low 90s when I have it set to around 98
No need to turn the heater off entirely. All one needs to do during the warmer months is to change the set-point for the tub. In warmer months we keep our tub in the 80s and its a great refresher. If we plan on using during the evening, we might chose to raise the temp a few degrees. Keep in mind, the hotter the tub, the less time one can spend in it safely.
Honestly, it will be a little sardine-like. Mine is technically a 8-seater, but more than 5 would feel crowded to me. They make ones as large as a 10-seater, so if you regularly have 6 people, I would probably get an 8 or 10-seater. I'd probably also go to a showroom so I could actually see one (and sit it it if they have an empty one). Hope that helps! Jeff
Hi Eduardo I've never owned one, but I do like the concept. I don't have any videos on them since I don't have one to show, but I do have an article on my website if you want to dive in deeper - hottubownerhq.com/are-swim-spas-heated/
Thoughts on American whirlpool? We just ordered one along with a Covana. We live in Wisconsin so thats why the Covana REALLY caught our eye. Great videos!! Learning a lot!!
Thanks, Katelyn. I'm jealous of the Corvana!! Let me know how you like it. American Whirlpool I don't know. Looks like the parent company is MAAX Spas and they have an A+ rating with the BBB. Their page there has 4-stars (from customer reviews) and 6 complaints although no complaints from the past 2 years. The biggest issue I saw in the complaints and reviews was around warranty service. But if you have a local dealer you can call for warranty issues I wouldn't worry about that too much. Overall sounds like a great combo!
Great tips, however none of this is valid as of Oct. 21' as the market has completely changed. No more "deals" to be had due to global material shortages and lead times for new spas are 6+ months.
Thanks for the Great informative video. I'm about to pull the trigger on a bullfrog x8. What's your opinion on bullfrog hot tubs ? Lmk Thanks. I just subscribed btw.
Hi Tony Thanks for being here! I don't have any direct experience with Bullfrog, but they have 0 complaints with the Better Business Bureau, which is always a good sign as most companies, even really good ones, have at least a few. I also like that Bullfrog doesn't frame their tubs with wood (no rot) and I like that their plumbing systems have a lot fewer pipes and places to later potentially leak. I am working on an article on Bullfrog for my website, so look for that soon - hottubownerhq.com/
Yeah this is wrong about mark ups!! I sell hot tubs and when we sell a tub. The price includes the tub , delivery, cover, chemicals for first 3 months and electric hook up.. Trust me we won’t work on price unless it’s manufactured sale. They move so quickly there is no wiggle room.
Hi Pat. I haven't used them personally. Like a few other brands, they go bought by Jacuzzi a while back. Looks like they have a nice warranty and being backed by Jacuzzi, they should be a solid company. They have an A- rating on the BBB. But the BBB reviews do only give them 1.5 stars which is a little concerning (www.bbb.org/us/ct/wallingford/profile/hot-tub-dealers/thermospas-hot-tub-products-inc-0111-87106042/customer-reviews). A lot of the bad reviews are from 2020, so they are current. It does seem like most of them are complaints about delays and communication around shipping due to COVID delays. You might read through them (I linked them above) and see if you think the issues those people had might be ones that would affect you too. I wouldn't base my decision solely on that, but it does make me pause. Not that it doesn't make sense that companies would be delayed on manufacturing and delivery due to COVID, but that doesn't explain the poor communicating which seems to be a theme in the reviews. Hope that helps! Let me know what you decide! Jeff
I had a Masterspas Twilight Hot tub, cost about £8000, lasted about 7 years and then the internal pipes started leaking, the lights started failing and also water was leaking through the lights. I carried out a few repairs, but it became to frequent so I got rid of it. It was looked after extremely well. Shame about the poor quality.
Hi Daisy. Hmmm . . . Maybe that's my next video! I've never owned a swim spa, but I have definitely researched them as I have an article or 2 about them on my website. I take it you are about to buy one?
I love my hot tub. I use it twice a day in the winter and I turn it off and drain it each summer. I used to use bromide and I hated it. Made my skin feel weird and I didn't even like the smell. Now I use chlorine and it's so much better in my opinion. Water is crystal clear, smells great and my skin feels nice and clean. For anyone who says bromide is better I say simply, I would never go back so sorry but you can kiss my 🐴
if profit margins are 30% to 50%, then the company bought it for 70%-75% of the price they are selling it. if they had bought it for half, they would be making 100% profit
Haha! I can't tell for sure if you're joking. But sorry if it came off as bragging. That sure wasn't my intent. I work hard, but mostly, I'm just lucky!
Thanks for taking the time to comment. I'm sorry you felt like I talked too much. I would love some additional feedback so I can get a better idea of what it was you're looking for though. Were you were looking for a shorter video overall or less talking and more images?
Dive in deeper on my website - hottubownerhq.com/why-are-hot-tubs-so-expensive/
Great video, excellent points! My wife and I just ventured into owning our first spa. We bought an entry level spa from Home Depot the brand was QCA. A 5-person spa for around $5500. I had a concrete slab poured, and had my electrician wire. So that cost me about another $1600. So I'm a bit over $7000. I attempted buying from a spa store, but being honest their prices scared me away. I couldn't find anything for much under $10,000 and none of them seemed willing to bargain, so out of default I compared between Sams Club and Home Depot. It took about 3 months for it to deliver, but it finally came around Christmas time. I just used it today for the first time! Very happy to hear this investment will last around 10 years. Not sure if I should purchase the extended warranty or not, but do have some time to decide. Best Wishes, and thanks again for your video!
Nice video, as an electrician i can tell you that a 120 volt hot tub is no less efficient than a 220 volt. they both heat water and run a pump. however a 120 volt takes twice the time to heat so in northern climates they are usually not capable of keeping the water hot when you use them in winter.
Thanks for the info!
Not true.
P = UI
I = P/U
I = 4,000W/120V
I = 33A
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P = UI
I = P/U
I = 4,000W/220V
I = 18A
P: Power in Watts
U: Voltage in Volts
I: Current in Ampere
Higher voltage draws less current which means less consumption and vice versa.
@@courant37 Yes draws about 1/2 the current on two lines instead of one. costs almost exactly the same to heat the water, just takes twice as long.
We ordered one from Wayfair online. About $7,000 CDN delivered. 50 AMP, 2 motor, 32 jet, 7 foot x 7 foot (6 person, but really 4 person). Electrician was $1,500 CDN. I put it on a gravel square that i levelled myself. I think our bill has gone up on average about $40 CDN per month. It's a made in Mexico Cyanna Valley Supreme X.
Great tip on the outside breaker box. I didn't know about that either until I was ready to buy a hot tub. I was glad I called an electrician first before I did. He looked at our breaker box and said he couldn't do anything with it. Said there was no slots available and it was quite old. He said it would be about 3,000 just for him to install a new one. He did give us a great tip though, he said to call the energy provider and see if they would replace it for free or for a low cost. We did that instead. We couldn't afford that extra cost. It took 2 years but the energy provider finally replaced the outside breaker box and now I'm looking for a hot tub again! Unfortunately now with COVID it's going to make it difficult 😕 .
Yeah, they sold out everywhere , some places are on backordered Till may
Wow. That never occurred to me to call the power company! Good tip. I did get 1 quote that was $3k, and another for $2.2k. But the company I finally hired didn't have to swap the panel; they had some sort of a dual breaker that was able to handle more than 1 circuit. And they only charged $700!
Great videos. Keep ‘em coming. I just bought a house that came with a hot tub. I’ve never had one before and I don’t know anything about them. You are a wealth of information!
Thanks, Jun!
My Hot tub is from 2006 and I think it is time to for the upgrade : ) Had some issues with gaskets which i replaced but when I closed the slice valves 2 of them started to leak so it is all going down hill..
Good information. Thank you
I brought a $350. GoPlus 6 person portable inflatable hot tub online from Walmart.
Built a platform 8'x8' (using pressure treated 2x4's for the frame/joists & trex decking as the finished surface) & put a $230. tent over it & it looks like a gazebo as it sits on top of the existing concrete patio, so the hot tub wouldn't be directly on the concrete.
Used it once so far.
& i went that route to keep the cost low, if I don't use it as much, im satisfied, not mush money went to waste. I can still use the gazebo for other events. & if i do use it alot & need to upgrade, i can, for a bigger or better hot tub.
Great way to get started!
I LOVE your hot tub channel! It’s the best out there for we owners who know nothing about hot tubs. I, too, inherited a Lifestyles Prodigy hot tub when I bought my house, but had trouble since day 1 keeping it sparkling clear. The former owner used Baqua Spa products. I purged the hot tub about 5 times so far, because I didn’t know what had been in there! Lol!
Now, I’d like to have safe water and want the salt water converter you mentioned because I have health issues. Thank you so much for helping us out!
Awe thanks for the kind words!! Glad it's helping you!!
Loved the info that you gave out about the hot tub’s. Your video was very informative. However, As a licensed electrical contractor I can tell you it’s not about the open slots in your panel. It’s about the calculated load on the main feeders. As an electrician I teach my customers that having open breaker spaces in your panel is much like having checks for your checking account. Just because you have the checks does not mean you have the funds in your account, or in this case just because you have the panel spaces doesn’t mean your panel can’t handle the calculated load.
Thanks, Justin. I appreciate the insight! I was just repeating what the electricians told me at the time, but maybe they dumbed it down for me!
So if I get you correctly, you'd need both an open slot and big enough main breakers to handle the additional load?
Hot Tub Owner HQ: not just the main breaker but also the wires that feed them. When we do a residential load calculation for a panel at build we will calculate for all the fastened in place appliances. So if the hot tub load was not calculated for in the specs at build it is a large enough load to push your feeder conductors beyond their temperature ratings causing damage to the thermal insulation.
Thanks for the info. I've looked at them all. Bought a brand built near my location and feel confident I got a fair deal.
Great to hear!
Awesome video! Answered alot of my questions. I do have a question for you though.... what are your thoughts on swim spas. More specifically the higher end ones. I have young kids who really want a "pool" and I really want a hot tub. I'm debating on getting a nice above ground pool like doughboy..... but now I'm thinking that maybe a swim spa will kill two birds with one stone. Any info/ advice is much appreciated!
I love the idea of a swim spa! But if money was no object, I'd get an in-ground pool and a regular hot tub. As it stands, where I live, the ground is so rocky that pool companies charge an extra $20k just for rock removal, so I got an above ground pool I just placed on a truckload of sand (watch my setup video if you're interested - ruclips.net/video/G4FXoLw6tQM/видео.html) and then eventually I built a deck around it and that was way cheaper than either.
But a swim spa does cover all the bases and would still be way cheaper than an in-ground pool.
My thoughts would be it would cost a lot more for the water to heat up introducing more water in a larger container.
Just bought a Masterspa from a traveling roadshow that they do. We bought it in February and it arrived at the end of April (exactly 10 weeks from when we bought it). We got the "Acclaim" model, which is an 8x8, 420 gallon with a chaise lounge. We absolutely love it! I had watched several of your videos before and during the wait until it arrived. Thanks for your content. I heard there's going to be a major Chlorine shortage this summer due to a factory explosion recently that supplies a good majority of the chlorine in the states. So stock up if need be.
So glad I stumbled on your channel. The home we just bought came with a hot tub and we've never had one. Needless to say, we have no idea what we're doing!! I'll be sure to check out all of your videos!
I'm about to buy my third hot tub . started 30 years ago and still use it at least 5 times a week. $20 a month on utility. lol lol. they told me $15 a month in 1990 and it was $50 a month. if you never use it or maybe turn the temp up for a saturday nite soak maybe you get buy for $30 a month. In California it would cost over $100 a month easy. Mine (hot springs) runs about $60 minimum. I really don't check it. But figure at least $50 a month to start. just saying, not trying to be critical. Oh but its worth it and then some.
Thanks for the comments, Rodney!
I just bought a 6 person 45 jet 110V (convertible to 220V) hot tub for $3200. I will probably use the 110V this spring and summer and get an electrician to hardwire it for the winter. I figure that will cost $800-$1000 tops. Free delivery. So for $4000 you can have an awesome hot tub. You dont need to spend $18,000 or even $8000-$10000.
How you doing?
Where did you buy it ?
@@bpierrealix DOing great thanks. Got it on Wayfair. I think their price has increased to 4k since i bought it. SLipped the delivery crew a 100 to bring it to my backyard and had it running within a day or so. Loving it, use it at least 3 times a week
Very informative video. Thank you for taking the time and doing that.
I got a lifetime deal on my tub right place right time. Person saved all receipts and was moving out of state. Waterfalls leds tons of jets speakers. I had to pay several people to help me move it correctly, it was 1100 pounds empty and we had to go down a cliff location.
But the wiring materials alone cost 600 to do myself and another 3-400 building a correct pad. Expect to spend a good amount even if you do it all yourself and using the right materials. And the proper chemicals.
Yes, I've done the buying used DIY thing myself and it was about $2000 total and a lot of elbow grease. But it was still a lot cheaper than buying a brand new one would have been.
Great info, thank you
Really appreciate your video!
Great video.. great information.. it flowed so well..
One of the best information sites I have found great at answering my questions and concerns. You make me feel comfortable going into a store knowing the info you have given. Cannot thank you enough!! I will recommend others to go to your site.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that feedback. You have no idea. Making the videos and uploading them is kind of a lonely job so it's great to hear people on the other end of it appreciating the hard work that goes into it.
If you bought a new hot tub, you still didn't have any extra space on your panel. The cost to add a hot tub to your house was a fixed cost, not dependent on buying new or used
you are correct about 10 to 15 years. at 10 years you will replace parts, pump, heater, control board, at 15 years you need it again but its time to get a new one. I had both of mine 15 years each
Thanks, Rodney!
Good job! wishing you all the best in growing the channel!
Thanks, Michal!
Jeff
I have a old breaker system in the house I live in would I be able to get a hot tub
In Oakland Calif, PGE rates will ruin your electric bill. You need to add solar at the same time that you add the hot tub..
Well I did live iin Oakland at one time (near Jack London Square) but didn't have a hot tub at the time. But for sure, PG&E was not high of my list of things I loved about the Bay Area!
Bull frog Stel 7 ($13,900) or Nordic hot tub XL ($10,000) any thoughts?
Hi Anthony. Sorry for my delay! Nordic makes more than one with XL in the name, but when comparing the Warrior XL to the Bullfrog, I lean towards the Bullfrog.
Both companies look pretty good when you read reviews and their BBB profiles (0 complaints on Bullfrog and only 1 for Nordic from a few years ago).
I like that Bullfrog doesn't frame their tubs with wood (no rot) and I like that their plumbing systems have a lot less pipes and places to later potentially leak.
Nordic also has a lot of features you have to pay extra for (hence your higher price tag) so it seems like you get more features paying the base price for Bullfrog.
Let me know which way you go! - Jeff
I just agreed to buy a Aqua Elite 500 from an individual for 1200. It's still in the packaging and includes the steps and covering. I was told it comes with an ozone generator. I am in North Florida and our water is pretty hard. I ordered the 3 part test strips you recommended but I probably need to test for water hardness. I have enjoyed your videos. I have a concrete patio that has a slight drain away from the house so I ordered some hard plastic strip spacers. Are there other things you recommend? I saw the cover holder and I read if you use ozone it's best to have something under the cover as ozone is bad on the covers. I have never owned a hot tub or a pool but figured if this works out we might get the pool my wife as always wanted. I am about 7 months from retirement. But I figure testing the waters on upkeep with a hot tub. I have my son coming to help me move it and the seller said he would help. The tub is about 300 lbs. it comes as a 120 but can convert to 220 but my box probably would have to be replaced. So we are going to try it on 120 first. It says seats five but reviewer say it more like a 4 person.
Thank you for the tips
Thank you! Jeff
Very helpful. Thank you.
This guy is a great presenter
Can you make a video on cedar tubs, specifically electric cedar tubs and their energy efficiency?
Hi Holly
Thanks for the suggestion! I don't know much about them, but am happy to look into it and add that to the list.
I didn’t think you talked alot at all. The more information the better
Haha! My wife might disagree! But thanks for your vote of confidence!!
Jeff
Thank you for this video. I found it very informative. I'm about two years away from making this purchase so I'm starting my homework early! I do have a few question for you. Before I purchase a hottub what are the steps a homeowner should do to prepare their backyard for this? Would it make sense to have an electrician come to your property first to make sure you have all the electrical requirements set before purchase? Will the filtration system be a disturbance to my neighbour's? If so how can I minimize this potential issue?
Thank you so much
Jessica
Do they have smaller 2 person tubs? Are those cheaper? It'll probably be just me, unless I can trick some poor girl into following me home.
Thank you for all the great information we attended a hot tub expo last night and was very hesitant. We walked away to think about it and you have really helped me in my decision making. Ill definitely be tuning in to learn more, thanks!!! Now off to the bank $$$$
Great info thank you!!!
What about Thermospas? No foam insulation will it save me $
Hi Dan, I don't have any direct experience with Therospas although I know they claim theirs are energy efficient and supposedly use the heat generated to help keep it insulated. Are you saying they don't use any foam at all?
Thank you for this review.
Glad it was helpful!
How is 220 v saving you more money than 110? I think you need to double check that one
Hi Tim
Others have said that too. My feeling was the lower power would be working harder to keep the water hot. But as I do point out, I'm not an electrician, so I may be wrong.
Nice video - thankyou
Thank you too
Thank you for the video. I just subscribed to your channel. Any advice between jacuzzi or hot tub which is better for the cold dam climate like the UK? Thanks x
Hi Imasar
Insulation is really the big factor, along with the power of the heater. Jacuzzi (and the other brands that they own like Sundance, Dimension One and others) tend to use full-foam insulation, which is better than partial-foam but still not great.
So whether Jacuzzi, or someone else, I would look for what they call barrier, fiber-core, or multi-density foam insulation.
Typically, you'll find those with brands like Hot Spring Spas or Atera.
Any thoughts on polyethylene formed tubs?
good explanation!
Glad you liked it!
Killer video. You rock. How much do you expect that $20-30 electric bill cost to increase for winter months in a northern state like MI? Double? Triple?
Hi Dusty
Thanks! Bear in mind I haven't lived in those type of states with a hot tub, and the quality of the insulation and the kilowatt rating of the heater would both have an impact, but I suspect it might double when it drops below freezing outside.
I bought a used one and paid cash.. Someone got sick of a big electric bill
Great video but I have to take exception with 1 comment.
Plug and play tubs like the Spaberry that I own are 1 or 2 very friendly people tubs. That's all the heat 110 volts will supply. 220/40 tubs are full size. So to say the 110 will cost you more should be qualified that it may cost you a bit more per body using the tub.
My Spaberry is about $1Can day during the winter here in southern BC. The cost savings of not having to run 220 through the house to the tub by a certified electrician completely blows the cost equation out of the water amortized over the life of the hot tub. And then there is the reinforcing of a deck that might be required for a 220 sized tub.
The 110 should be considered personal hot tubs or occasionally for couples. For families and parties, 220 is the only option.
Thanks! I hadn't really thought about it in terms of the number of people, but instead # of gallons and power of the heater. I have definitely seen plug n play tubs that will hold more than 2 people, but maybe you're not seeing those in BC?
@@HotTubOwnerHQ I'm not really up to speed on current models.
In fact, our Spaberry was an impulse buy at a rodeo event in southern BC in 2012. I had seen one a couple of years earlier at a hardware store and was surprised to see a 110 volt model. I didn't know they existed. Seeing it again at the rodeo and envisioning it in a narrow space under our deck, we grabbed it mainly for it's shape and easy install.
I never thought I'd be a hot tub kinda guy but I have been using it 2-4 times a week. The only work it has needed was a replacement of the plug in control panel 3 years ago.
Other than some fading, it's been flawless, even with regular -12 to -20 C night temperatures in January. I cheat a bit having a piece of styrofoam cut to the shape of the waterline (with head and arm (for beers) cutouts) floating on top as well as the lid. At -20, the open water cools down 2-3 degrees over 20-30 minutes. The 110 heater just can't keep up.
Good channel. Good information. Keep it up!
Any info on a Vita spa Image?
I'm actually heading to see a master spa dealer today to look at the clarity balance 7 and the Twilight 7.2.
It seems like everybody claims that they're hot tub is the most energy efficient without any government energy guide proof.
I also found that everybody has their own special patented cleaning or chemical or some sort of gimmicky
Pitch.
I appreciate your video I will try to
Hear your opinion on more of the subjects that concern me when purchasing a hot tub
Like best type of insulation
Best type of casing?
....
Thanks, Ryan. I'm pretty happy with my Master Spas Twilight tub and it's fairly old.
The best kind of insulation is called multi-density foam and the worst kind is called partial foam insulation. Chances are Master Spas is going to be somewhere in the middle of those 2, probably Full foam insulation.
I do have an article on my website that gives you more detail on insulation if it's helpful - hottubownerhq.com/can-you-add-insulation-to-a-hot-tub/
Fantastic content! Wow! Thank you 🙏🏼
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent tips, thank you!!
You are so welcome!
I’m considering a swim spa. Do you know their price range?
So the local place sells jacuzzi and their budget mode is a specially made for them J-135 except the warranty is only 2 years instead of 5, should this be a red flag? They have it marked at $6999 after $1000 off for their biggest sale of the year which is Labor Day. I’m thinking I should negotiate down to $5999
Hi Nolen. It doesn't hurt to ask. The best time of year to buy is coming up (late Sept-late Dec), so if you don't have to have it right now, most likely waiting another 1-2 months will get you an even better price.
I don't think I'd be overly concerned about the warranty; you most likely won't have major issues in under 5 years.
Hot Tub Owner HQ I bought an Artesian model for $6699 better deal and it’s got more jets, two pumps, UVC filter, etc
I was in our local Master Spa and was actually looking at their small 2-3 person 240 model (smallest spa in the Twilight series). Their Labor Day sale is $7,999 from a MSRP of $12,000 or so. Anyone out there now how much more I could realistically negotiate down from the sale price?
Hi Donovan. Offhand, 8k for a 2-3 person tub seems really high! But I also haven't been in a hot tub showroom in a long time either.
The 4th quarter, basically Oct-Dec is the best time of year to buy assuming the dealer still has a lot of this year's inventory on hand. Just like with a car dealer, they want to clear out the old stuff to make way for the new stuff.
So if I were in your shoes, if it looked like the showroom was packed, I'd wait another 2-4 weeks and go in and see what the price is.
Hot tub dealers don't always negotiate on price the way car dealers do, but there's also no harm in making an offer.
Thanks
Thank you, Captain!
Great information and you taught me more than when I went into the store.
Yeah!! Thanks for that vote of confidence!
Thanks for the helpful video. So much to learn. How is a 220v heater more energy efficient than a 110v, though? They both convert electrical current to heat at the same efficiency. The 220v just uses more energy to do it faster.
Hi Tyler
I'm not an electrician, so I could definitely be mistaken. But as I understand it, it's more the hot tub that's less efficient than the current itself.
The 110 v ones can't usually run the jets and the heater at the same time. That potentially causes the heater to have to work harder when it does kick back on.
But we're still talking a fairly minor difference.
Thanks for being here!
Jeff
220 is more efficient . Look up watts law.
@@Ant4291 I think you're misunderstanding something. 110 and 220 heaters are both 100% efficient in terms of converting the electrical energy they receive to heat. The total efficiency of the hot tub comes down to insulation, and to a small degree, the management of waste heat like that generated by the jets/circulation pump. 220v models are generally more expensive and higher end, and so tend to be better insulated and thus more efficient. But there's no reason a 110v tub could not be insulated to the same degree, and achieve the exact same efficiency. The only law that comes into play between the two is Joule's first law, which in this case relates to the heat lost in the wire as the current travels to the tub. This is the only case in which 220 will *always* have a tiny edge over 110, but the difference would literally be imperceptible on an electric bill, even over many years.
220 is not more efficient. It uses twice the votage but half the amperage, E×I=VA same amount of watts. Only advantage is smaller wire needed for same # of watts. Electrician.
I was thinking of purchasing the grand cayman dual zone swim spa but can’t find anything about quality integrityspas has it listed for 16.500 do you have any thoughts on it?
Hi Orlando. That looks really nice! I hadn't heard much about it either. Integrity themselves have a B+ rating with the Better Business Bureau. On that site they have 33 reviews and rate 4.5 stars. Then on the complaint side, they have 14 from the past 3 years.
The good news is the company responds to these complaints. Many are about delays in receiving their swim spas or hot tubs.
And with the current partial shutdown situation, you should definitely expect it to take longer to get yours than normal.
Other complaints are about getting timely warranty service but if you have a dealer in your town you can just call or talk to in person, that's less of a concern for me too.
Damage during delivery seems to be a common issue too, so just make sure you fully inspect it when they deliver it before you sign to receive it. Also, some people claimed to not be aware that they were responsible for moving it to the final site, so just make sure to negotiate that when you buy it.
But overall I feel pretty good about it. Let me know what you decide!
Jeff
Well done! +1 sub here
Thanks for the sub!
thank you
You're welcome
I’m currently looking into purchasing a hot tub. Can you please tell me what you know of lazy boy hot tubs. I really want to do it right the first time and get a nice hot tub one that has Good power coming from the Jets.
Hi Abe
Funny, I didn't even know they made hot tubs! I've had furniture from them in the past and it held up well (but was a little pricey as I recall).
It doesn't look like they do a ton of business in the US, so if you're in Canada (where they seem to have a lot of dealers), you'll probably be fine (from a service and warranty standpoint).
If you're in the US, I might tend to go with someone else just because having to call Canada every time I had an issue or possibly finding a local service person willing to do their warranty work sounds like a potential headache.
Do you have a dealer near you?
Jeff
Hot Tub Owner HQ....I ended up going with master spa The twilight series 8.2....
The spa in this video is actually the TS8.25. the 8.2 has the lounger. The 8.25 does not.
Thanks!
I want a frog spa what do you know or think about that brand?
I am familiar, and I had that once upon a time in one of my previous hot tubs. It's been a few years, but I seem to recall it was kind of expensive compared to adding chemicals as needed.
But it was a nice set-it-and-forget-it kind of system.
Our Hottub is on sale, 5 person Hot tub cost $5500 Canadian Dollars
What is your opinion on Vita spas 500 series.
Hi John. Interesting question as I'd never heard of that one before. Looks to be built on a steel frame which sounds sturdy (but also heavy in case you were thinking of putting it on a deck). They also look to be very customizable which is nice.
I like their lifetime frame warranty and method of insulation too.
It looks like the parent company is MAAX Spas Industries Corp and they have an A+ rating with the BBB which is good. It also seems they've been in business over 40 years which tells me they likely value reputation and word of mouth referrals.
They have 6 complaints on the BBB site which is pretty awesome for a company that's been around that long (many have hundreds of complaints). Most of those are from 2017 and 2018, so maybe that was an off time for them.
At any rate, I can't find pricing, but they look to be a great hot tub company. Let me know if you get one and how you like it! - Jeff
Lots of good information but did I miss what the electrical monthly cost would be ??
Hi Ed
Sorry if I wasn't clear. Most people spend about $20/month on hot tub electricity. Chemicals and filter maintenance could add another $20/month to that although the biggest expense on filters would be the little bit of chemical cleaner you use every 3 months and then replacing them every 1-2 years.
Hope that helps!
Jeff
Thanks for the information, I'm ready to pull the trigger but I wasn't 100% sure on chemicals and monthly electrical bill. I live in the north east, just need to decide on what tub for my region...... Colder climates
Those price ranges you gave are for how many seats?
Hi Donovan. Great question. Generally speaking, when I say the average hot tub owners spends about 7,000 for their 1st hot tub, that's for one that holds 6-8 people. For the most part, I'm never talking about those tiny ones that only hold 2-3 people as most people want something larger.
When I say basic low end ($k-8K), that's probably 4-6 people. Mid range and high end is probably 6-8 people and luxury is more like 8-10.
Hope that helps!
Thanks
Jeff
Thanks man!
Thanks, Alvin!
Can you turn the heater off and keep the pump on in the summer to make it more of a “sitting pool” to cool down in?
Great question! The heater is typically an integral part of the control pack with the pump and blower plugging into it but the heater is typically hardwired as part of the control pack.
But I suppose if you were comfortable with electrical components, and obviously cut the power at the disconnect to the hot tub if we're doing anything, you could probably disconnect the heater inside the control pack do what you're talking about.
For me, I usually find it just fine to just switch to economy mode which keeps the temperature somewhere in the high 80s or low 90s when I have it set to around 98
No need to turn the heater off entirely. All one needs to do during the warmer months is to change the set-point for the tub. In warmer months we keep our tub in the 80s and its a great refresher. If we plan on using during the evening, we might chose to raise the temp a few degrees. Keep in mind, the hotter the tub, the less time one can spend in it safely.
@@Romany1111 Why would the hotter the tub, the safer it is?
@@dany1247 In English, please.
Hi Jeff. Will a 6 person hot tub comfortably seat 6? Or will we be packed in like sardines? Not sure what size to get this fall.
Honestly, it will be a little sardine-like. Mine is technically a 8-seater, but more than 5 would feel crowded to me. They make ones as large as a 10-seater, so if you regularly have 6 people, I would probably get an 8 or 10-seater. I'd probably also go to a showroom so I could actually see one (and sit it it if they have an empty one).
Hope that helps! Jeff
What about swim spa?
Hi Eduardo
I've never owned one, but I do like the concept. I don't have any videos on them since I don't have one to show, but I do have an article on my website if you want to dive in deeper - hottubownerhq.com/are-swim-spas-heated/
Thoughts on American whirlpool? We just ordered one along with a Covana. We live in Wisconsin so thats why the Covana REALLY caught our eye. Great videos!! Learning a lot!!
Thanks, Katelyn. I'm jealous of the Corvana!! Let me know how you like it. American Whirlpool I don't know. Looks like the parent company is MAAX Spas and they have an A+ rating with the BBB. Their page there has 4-stars (from customer reviews) and 6 complaints although no complaints from the past 2 years. The biggest issue I saw in the complaints and reviews was around warranty service. But if you have a local dealer you can call for warranty issues I wouldn't worry about that too much.
Overall sounds like a great combo!
Great tips, however none of this is valid as of Oct. 21' as the market has completely changed. No more "deals" to be had due to global material shortages and lead times for new spas are 6+ months.
Thanks for the Great informative video. I'm about to pull the trigger on a bullfrog x8. What's your opinion on bullfrog hot tubs ? Lmk Thanks. I just subscribed btw.
Hi Tony
Thanks for being here! I don't have any direct experience with Bullfrog, but they have 0 complaints with the Better Business Bureau, which is always a good sign as most companies, even really good ones, have at least a few.
I also like that Bullfrog doesn't frame their tubs with wood (no rot) and I like that their plumbing systems have a lot fewer pipes and places to later potentially leak.
I am working on an article on Bullfrog for my website, so look for that soon - hottubownerhq.com/
Yeah this is wrong about mark ups!! I sell hot tubs and when we sell a tub. The price includes the tub , delivery, cover, chemicals for first 3 months and electric hook up.. Trust me we won’t work on price unless it’s manufactured sale. They move so quickly there is no wiggle room.
What brand of hot tubs do you sell
So neat!
Thanks!
You forgot Bullfrog Spas.
Don't forget the $$ for a platform.deck to put the hot tub on
Well I guess that depends on whether you want to put it on a deck. My last hot tub I put on pavers which worked great and was really cheap!
Any thoughts on ThermoSpas?
Hi Pat. I haven't used them personally.
Like a few other brands, they go bought by Jacuzzi a while back. Looks like they have a nice warranty and being backed by Jacuzzi, they should be a solid company. They have an A- rating on the BBB. But the BBB reviews do only give them 1.5 stars which is a little concerning (www.bbb.org/us/ct/wallingford/profile/hot-tub-dealers/thermospas-hot-tub-products-inc-0111-87106042/customer-reviews).
A lot of the bad reviews are from 2020, so they are current. It does seem like most of them are complaints about delays and communication around shipping due to COVID delays.
You might read through them (I linked them above) and see if you think the issues those people had might be ones that would affect you too.
I wouldn't base my decision solely on that, but it does make me pause. Not that it doesn't make sense that companies would be delayed on manufacturing and delivery due to COVID, but that doesn't explain the poor communicating which seems to be a theme in the reviews.
Hope that helps! Let me know what you decide!
Jeff
This pricing is not really accurate
Pricing is already outdated
I had a Masterspas Twilight Hot tub, cost about £8000, lasted about 7 years and then the internal pipes started leaking, the lights started failing and also water was leaking through the lights. I carried out a few repairs, but it became to frequent so I got rid of it. It was looked after extremely well. Shame about the poor quality.
Sorry to hear that. I own the same tub and it's been great for me.
Grandee hot springs 24k
I wish there was a video like this for swim spas
Hi Daisy. Hmmm . . . Maybe that's my next video! I've never owned a swim spa, but I have definitely researched them as I have an article or 2 about them on my website.
I take it you are about to buy one?
Here in Australia I feel there way overpriced now..
Are you seeing hot tub prices going way up? Did that start in 2020?
I'm glad to see in Australia just like the US people don't know "there" from "their" from " they're" I thought we were a bunch of dumb shits.
I love my hot tub. I use it twice a day in the winter and I turn it off and drain it each summer. I used to use bromide and I hated it. Made my skin feel weird and I didn't even like the smell. Now I use chlorine and it's so much better in my opinion. Water is crystal clear, smells great and my skin feels nice and clean. For anyone who says bromide is better I say simply, I would never go back so sorry but you can kiss my 🐴
Isn't the issue with chlorine the evaporation cloud of chemical that you shouldn't breathe?
I wish you were our neighbor.
Me too!
I would never buy a used hot tub. unless you are a plumber and an electrician.
I did am while it was a lot of work, I'm still glad I did, and it saved me a lot of $$
Do not buy a Royal spa over priced under insulated, poor technology.
Thanks!
Just get to the point man! 4min intro??!
Sorry! I've improved a lot in my more recent videos. This was one of my 1st ones.
if profit margins are 30% to 50%, then the company bought it for 70%-75% of the price they are selling it. if they had bought it for half, they would be making 100% profit
Lol you did not buy the house with the tub. It’s just a video crap advert 😂😂
I'm not quite sure I get the joke, but the hot tub I have now did indeed come with the house when we bought it Oct 2018.
I stopped liking you as much after you kept bragging about how your new tub came with the house
Haha! I can't tell for sure if you're joking. But sorry if it came off as bragging. That sure wasn't my intent. I work hard, but mostly, I'm just lucky!
Stop the hideous thumbnail faces
Haha! The intent was more cheesy than hideous. But that's my face, for better or for worse!
Too much talking
Thanks for taking the time to comment. I'm sorry you felt like I talked too much. I would love some additional feedback so I can get a better idea of what it was you're looking for though. Were you were looking for a shorter video overall or less talking and more images?
What do you expect? It’s an instructional video!
Maybe you wanted to see him in it? I hope not!
It’s literally an educational video. I thought it was helpful.