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I love how Gunn is all about having good scripts, good stories. He isn't forcing movies out based on what should be next in line or what the fans want. He won't move forward on a project unless the story is absolutely right and that is quite refreshing.
Good stories = quality films = $$. Stringing together quality film after quality film based on good stories will rebuild the DC brand and bring box office success.
I think he just played a bit with it being like 'hey you know what, if you want greedo and batman to go on adventures together in your head, screw it' when in all reality there is a cohesive canon to this specific universe in the 'DC Multiverse' so to speak. It's not that loose haha. Anything will get picked apart as usual although I do get how it can be taken in a certain way from a fan who really nerds out over specifics and canon in general.
@@BobaTalks Totally agree with you from what I’ve seen i think a lot of people just took it the wrong way. Not seeming to understand what Gunn was saying.
My expectations for the Superman trailer are very appropriate. I'm not expecting anything more that 1 minute and i expect it to be a teaser that gives us just enough while promising so much more.
I really, really love that James Gunn is making it very clear that no DC movie/TV show will get the greenlit unless the script is awesome. Love that he's putting stories above everything else. Cause some people might complain about every little thing like the Lanterns series might not be in space. But if the show is excellent, those same people will be quiet as fuck. Quality is what fans, and general audiences want at the end of the day.
I have to disagree. I feel like if they go for a darker theme it would end up being too much like snyders depiction. As much as marvel is producing extremely poor products, I feel like justice league will need to be pg 13 to be a commercial hit like the avengers. Well that is my opinion of course
@@Donnybabyboyhe meant the justice League dark which is a seperate team dealing with supernatural and magic based characters like zatanna and Constantine.
@@Donnybabyboy yeah it's interesting and different from the usual superhero teams. There is an animated movie available and plus Guillermo del Toro was supposed to make a live action adaptation but unfortunately it got canned.
Good god all mighty so much content through every genre. Sgt. Rock with Daniel Craig that's genius and he has playing a soldier, leader, general of sorts in Defiance which is so good and he will fit the role so well. Hell we are getting Sgt. Rock storyline Creature Commandos and how they worked with Monsters and robots etc which should shed some light to setup a prequel storyline to Sgt. Rock and the Howling Commandos.
I think The Authority is one of those R-rated films. I do want an update on that and hopefully we get some sort of tease of it in Superman. I can't wait for the DCU to start. I like James Gunn's comments on storytelling and how the canon will be explained and go.
I have theory for the DCU and superman. So like the kingdom come storyline, superman swoops in to stop all the violence. And regarding the behind the scenes of superman. Hawkgirl, guy Gardner, Mr terrific, and metamorpho all have the same jackets and outfit having a companies name. So I'm thinking that the justice society were the last independent superheroes before the public didn't trust them anymore so the government forced these other heroes to sign a deal, in which superman refuses leading to his arrest. And I'm assuming the justice league will set up trust with world like the justice society.
What I'm hearing is the story itself, and the storytelling is priority number one, and what's canon will be revealed through the story as opposed to some preconceived, pre-formed idea of what is or isn't canon. Sounds reasonable and reassuring to me. People having such a problem with his humorous and facetious Greedo example seems like a lot of pearl-clutching to me. From all we've heard, a lot of work is being put into crafting a DCU with its own internal history.
@sorafamesmo853lit I remember the rumor that it was in development. However, they are in talks with an actor to be Sgt Rock and have a director attached, which means to me that the script is complete. All of that is new to me.
Gunn’s comments on canon are so on the money. Canon is a tool not a rule, it should only be used to enhance a story and never to constrain it. Basically every legendary comic writer has expressed a similar sentiment and it makes me feel SO confident about DC in his hands.
True, there are so many times they've recreated Canon, afterall we are dealing with characters that are 70 years old. Imagine the thoughts of the original generation reading 70s and 80s DC stories. I wonder if they were so hawkish on Canon.
Yeah Gunn is simply just very respectful of fans’ opnions and their headcanons. I don’t get the hate for his canon comment. but yeah we're all very much looking forward to that Superman trailer hopefully it doesn't get leaked
I have never had this much faith in an actors performance as much as I have in David’s Superman, I truly believe in him and think he’ll embody everything superman is especially under Gunns leadership.
Gunn's comment about the unimportance of canon is honestly welcome, i'd rather treat headcanons with respect than bash heads about inconsistencies coming from overworked people making 100+ million dollar movies. The emotional involvement of these stories generate more engagement and can be fulfilling to some people.
Hey Boba, been commenting and discussing the Reverse Kingdom Come theory since day 1 or close to day 1 too. I discussed the whole JSA legacies thing a lot as well if you remember. I still stand by Clark being Superman for at least 5 years (starts at 25, currently 30 as confirmed) and I do think James Gunn's new comment can actually support it. He mentioned how even though metahumans have existed since WWII, they've increased and are a lot bigger and more of a problem now. This fits with Superman still being the first hero of the current heroic age which a lot of Superman writers like Grant Morrison and Mark Waid (both people James have taken inspiration from through their works and talked to and about) emphasize as important. This fits with him already being the biggest most well-known and popular hero of Metropolis too. The Golden Age started with the JSA, at some point they disbanded like in comics (especially New Frontier), then the Silver Age started with Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, Ted Kord and likely Barry Allen (who started it IRL) but it never took off as well as the GA. Then Superman starts the new Bronze/Modern age expansion. Honestly I almost lean to the possibility of 8 years now too. In My Adventures with Superman, Clark started as Superman and a cub reporter at 22. But some gap years before 25 fits. At the end of the day, long term this is still a very young Superman compared to comics Superman who IRL has 80 years of history and currently in-universe has over 20 years of history. For example, in Mark Waid's current World's Finest run set in the past, Dick Grayson is still Robin but already well-experienced with both Clark and Bruce but Jon is explicitly said to not be born yet as confirmed. So in the DCU, the end goal for a veteran Superman is still far away.
Wow boba great informational video . Bro I can’t wait for the Batman 2 and brace and the bold … I’m such a Batman fanboy true and through .. I can’t wait .
I vibe with what Gunn said about cannonicity. I’m so burnt out on keeping track of multiverses and what connects to what that I genuinely don’t care to question how minor things fit together anymore, I just want to watch a good story. I think people take canon way too seriously these days, like if the thing itself is good then why should it matter so much?
My guess for the next projects are the ones reported in the trades... Titans, blue beetle, deathstroke and bane, and sergeant rock. And, my guess for Gunn's next project is the authority Hehehe could be wrong, but just wanna share 😁😁
I am so glad Gunn isn’t doing a million origin stories 👏🏾 just jump into an already established universe and give “select” characters origin “series” to truely flesh out “select” characters that we “need” to see their origin story. Thats one thing Marvel (and Sony) has failed to grasp… not every character warrents an origin story. Not every characters origin is interesting enough to warrent their own movie or series. I’m so happy, he’s being selective about that. It flushes out the fluff of a universe and hyper forcuses on the over arching story of the universe. Everyone wanting individual solo stories… well, they should have supported Snyders vision and they would have had that… but here we are and we’re not doing that anymore and I couldnt be happier about where we’re starting 👏🏾
"I am so glad Gunn isn’t doing a million origin stories 👏🏾 just jump into an already established universe and give “select” characters origin “series” to truely flesh out “select” characters that we “need” to see their origin story." That was one of the biggest criticisms of the DCEU. Rushed development. No solo films. Why is it ok now?
@@DaveMiller2Because not having origin stories isn’t the same as „rushed development“. Here it’s not rushed at all. Nothing is starting until the script if finished and good. No last minute changes to the story, no studio interference while shooting. Yes, it’s an already existing universe and that we will explore. It’s not rushed if it’s long planned and prepared.
@@jacktheflagg5713 It's EXCATLY the same thing. There is no development at all. You guys are pathetic with you mental gymnastics about this. You sound like Joe Biden explaining something. Totally nonsensical and illogical.
@ So you think an established planned universe that focuses on good stories is the same thing as a universe that desperately wants to keep up with Marvel and has a lot of studio interference and last minute script changes? I mean I get it if you want to see the origin stories, but there are many out there already. For Batman I personally recommend Nolans Trilogy. But it’s not that important. It’s about exploring this world and that situation, that moment with our heroes together.
@@jacktheflagg5713 Rushing development is rushing development. Same thing. Gunn is just rushing faster. Gunns world has no development. No growth. It just exists in full. The DCEU was rushing development too, just not as fast. That was the complaint. No development. Same thing Gunn is doing. But now it's OK because you like Gunn so you rearrange reality in your mind.
Some of us said years ago that if they continue this, he was going to keep the people that he worked with not the people he did not work with. It ain’t just folks who work with Zach not coming back. It’s other directors as well. It’s basically the David Ayer and James Gunn universe minus David Ayer . I’m one of the people who want Zach to finish his story in a elseworlds .
I believe Gunn tried to convey that one should not limit their creation choices by the "canon", as long as the story is good, it can be done. I.e. last Batman seems to occur in a separate timeline
This is great! Love how you really dug into all of these various points. So much food for thought. Just wanted to say that I really respect Gunn's philosophy of putting the scripts (and therefore, the writers) first. Since he himself is a writer, I can see how important it would be to him. Love that about his approach. As for what Gunn tackles next, I would love it if he wrote the Authority movie. There's a really specific and subtle mix of humor and political commentary that I think Gunn could really nail. Whoever writes it really needs to understand both the vibe and the point of where the world was when those stories came out. The Authority is often compared to The Boys, but other than the fact that there is political commentary in the stories, I don't see them being that similar. There's also the fact that the Authority came out 25 years ago, and many things in the world have changed since then. Will they have an Authority that takes place in the late 90s/early 00s, or will they update it to take place now? If it's the latter, then that really changes the undertone and the kind of stories that might be told. I'm just so curious about where they will take it, because navigating the politics of it all is going to be a big decision they will have to make, before they decide anything else.
im really happy hearing how james will be approaching the DCU im more glad than i am upset at is comments on the continuity, i agree entirely. too many movies these days are made so fast just for the sake of a deadline that they dont have room to be fully fleshed out anymore. even more happy with gun than i was before
I remember the Reverse Kingdom Come Theory. By far one of my favorite theories I have ever seen. From one of my favorite DC elseworld stories. If this is what James Gunn is going for I am excited to see how he executes it. Edit: True Detective was amazing. And Green Lanterns are space cops no matter how you cut the cake. So it is both fantastical and grounded. I love this. Edit 2: I would love to see what James can do with a Dead Man animated series tbh. And also, we had magic throughout CW's Legends of Tomorrow, though admittedly the movies have sort of snubbed it.
He never said it 'changed', he just realised after it was all locked in that the better title was purely 'SUPERMAN'. Either way, I still think the original title was a somewhat link to the 'legacy' Superman will bring to the present day DCU & it's heroes with regards to the state of heroes/metahumans/reverse-Kingdom Come theory.
I'll agree with you that he didn't use that word. A better word would be 'evolved'. His first draft was titled 'Superman: Legacy'. By the time he finished his final draft, the story changed - my word - enough that it was decided the title of the movie should be trimmed down to just 'Superman'. I'm not one of those "James Gunn is a liar" losers, who only reads headlines and immediately hate-Tweets, but, honestly, the title change may have come from executives above him at Warner Bros. The way he worded his IG post, it's not clear who changed the title or specifically why it was changed. No big deal, as it seems you were pretty spot-on from the beginning about most everything else. ✌🏻
I still keep seeing people say that Peacemaker will travel from the DCEU to the DCU and that will explain the changes in canon. But i don't think that will be the case, i think we will just have to act like it was the DCU all along since it doesn't really contradict anything
That strategy works for me. I think a lot of canon interconnectivity was used to sell under-baked movies by associating them as closely as possible with stuff we already liked. Trying to shore up the failing MCU by endlessly calling back to its past glories ended up dragging down the overall success of the franchise, rather than keeping it going. So to me, whatever anyone feels about the DCEU, I think it's best to just leave those films alone, let them stand on their own, and look forward rather than back. Let's just watch the movies we're watching, and not worry about what did or didn't happen in previous movies.
@rottensquid 100% agreed, also you know how the Snyder fans are. If you say he is from the DCEU then they would be like oh "Superman may have crossed over too!", "Now they can continue it on netflix!". They would think the DCEU is still alive. It's much much better to leave it in the past for good, no multiverse shenanigans
I really want to see an area of Focus and Identity for DCU, For DCU films 🎥Focus on Families (Superman, Supergirl) For DCU Series (HBO) Focus On Adults But still have Mature Themes for Both Films 🎥 and Series!
If the JL will be retconned out of the ending of Peacemaker...will the ending in its entirety be removed or will they be replaced with another team?The Creature Commandos? The Suicide Squad? a sole character?
Boba great video as always and I agree with your reverse Kingdom come theory. Also what Rated R DCU films would you like to see? I am sure the Authority will be R rated and I hope Swampthing will be as well, but I would also like to see a R rated RedHood ,Justice league Dark and at some point in the future Blackest Night! I also feel like Gunn is going to be directing the authority because like you said it’s right up his alley.
I cant wait for superman movie, im dreading the end of superman and lois, but really looking forward for a whole universe and see other characters get projects that wouldnt normally
It would be fun to see Corenswet smash caville's Superman to bits, but I just think not enough people care about the Snyderverse to warrant it. I think it would leave general audiences confused as they wouldn't know who those characters were and wouldn't care.
@@levimiller9367 I don't think so. The Snyderverse failed to make any lasting cultural impact. The only thing it's known for is "Martha". And that's based on a misunderstanding of what the actual content was. Just about the only characters I think people would recognize are Harley Quinn and Peacemaker. And I say that as a big fan of the first Shazam.
I hope they leave run to pivot and keep things fresh and not too predictable. one thing is for sure is that James Gunn makes his characters worth being invested
We care very little about canon and continuity in comics. It's nice for reference but it's more about the individual stories told about well curated characters. These characters have all had so may artists work on them and it never get's in the way of enjoying them. what matters is, Is it a good story or not, is it true to character or not, is it visually appealing, and does it explore new ideas or not.
Just a question, I've been feeling as though they should have cast a bigger name for Lex Luthor (preferably an oscar winner or a nominee) to bring more prestige and eyes to the movie. Don't get me wrong, I believe Hoult will do a great job and he's a well known actor but I don't know, maybe they should gone the route of casting an oscar winner or nominee kinda like Gene Hackman
What have you seen Brandon Skelnar in to convince you? The guy has got literal bot-farms campaigning for him. It's crazy. I'm not saying you and Blake Lively are bots.. but the evidence is there on both youtube and instagram. Its certainly one way to get the gig I suppose
You can’t just retcon out a DCEU justice league cameo 😂 OHHH yeah that thing that we showed years ago, umm well yeah, just ignore it and go watch the interviews. Now if you were good at your job you’d know that James Gunn has confirmed that the continuity change is going to be acknowledged in Peacemaker S2.
Yes you can, comics have had this happen many times. And it's very funny that you put that last part, as I've discussed James Gunn talking about how Peacemaker S2 will address the change over a dozen times.
I’m thinking that he could drop trailer during the Super Bowl like marvel did with Deadpool and Wolverine which could also mean maybe and this is a hard maybe we might get a fantastic 4 trailer during the Super Bowl also but if Gunn doesn’t drop the trailer during the Super Bowl maybe he’ll wait for dates like he did this year like Superman’s birthday feb 29 or other dates significant to Superman
I am fine with Gunn's vision, my problem is the way Gunn and Saffran just axed the DCEU, instead of leading us into it with the last of the DCEU we were expecting, The Flash should have been a perfect joiner movie to make the change, but that was botched then they do dirty on the actors we already had, it is always going to be a sore point for me, this new Superman was coming we know this, but the change was far from smooth and far from well done. so good luck with this movie and I hope it is not going to be like a Mavel Movie with a DC skin.
I hope gunns next project is LOBO r rated gurdians/fifth element style bounty hunt across the galaxy could really expand the dcu and introduce the other worldly characters
Idk much about Sgt. Rock and I'm not surprised that they're trying to do some projects that won't cost nearly as much and should be fast to film. That being said, idk how many "grounded" projects I wanna see
I’m hoping that the universe will still be enjoyable for kids also I don’t think my 8 year old nephew is going to enjoy a Green Lantern show inspired by true detective. I understand dipping into different Ratings but I really like how the MCU understood that they were entertaining two different fanbases both adults and kids.
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Reverse Kingdom Come video referenced: ruclips.net/video/iwXH36SvNpg/видео.htmlsi=9_J_5G_2oLUbLSPj
I have a suprise choice for Gunn especially if Superman is a hit. Gunn has been hinting at it too. Worlds Finest A true Batman/Superman team up movie.
Bobas seen creature commodes what 🧐
You did a fantastic job in your reporting and research. I truly enjoyed your review!
I love how Gunn is all about having good scripts, good stories. He isn't forcing movies out based on what should be next in line or what the fans want. He won't move forward on a project unless the story is absolutely right and that is quite refreshing.
The only problem is will the box office agree with gunns taste. This all falls flat without enough money.
Good stories = quality films = $$. Stringing together quality film after quality film based on good stories will rebuild the DC brand and bring box office success.
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@@joebond545 the penguin is under DC studios and the market approves, so its a good start.
Good scripts?😂
Gunn is holding off on the trailer because he knew bobatalks would be busy with mrs. Bobatalks ☺️ that’s respectful!
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Yeah Gunn is simply just very respectful of fans’ opnions and their headcanons. I don’t get the hate for his canon comment.
I think he just played a bit with it being like 'hey you know what, if you want greedo and batman to go on adventures together in your head, screw it' when in all reality there is a cohesive canon to this specific universe in the 'DC Multiverse' so to speak. It's not that loose haha. Anything will get picked apart as usual although I do get how it can be taken in a certain way from a fan who really nerds out over specifics and canon in general.
@@BobaTalks Totally agree with you from what I’ve seen i think a lot of people just took it the wrong way. Not seeming to understand what Gunn was saying.
He knows “fans” are Jack a**’s and love to ruin careers. So he’s playing it safe.
If it makes me feel like the OG Superman film , I'll be a happy bunny 👍👍
My expectations for the Superman trailer are very appropriate. I'm not expecting anything more that 1 minute and i expect it to be a teaser that gives us just enough while promising so much more.
I love the direction James is going and I just can’t wait to see posters, trailers, and finish product. #RiseDCU QUALITY OVER QUANTITY.
In Gunn we trust!
@thefreerocketman5777 let's wait and see first.
I really, really love that James Gunn is making it very clear that no DC movie/TV show will get the greenlit unless the script is awesome. Love that he's putting stories above everything else. Cause some people might complain about every little thing like the Lanterns series might not be in space. But if the show is excellent, those same people will be quiet as fuck. Quality is what fans, and general audiences want at the end of the day.
An R rated JL Dark movie would go so hard.
I have to disagree. I feel like if they go for a darker theme it would end up being too much like snyders depiction. As much as marvel is producing extremely poor products, I feel like justice league will need to be pg 13 to be a commercial hit like the avengers. Well that is my opinion of course
@@Donnybabyboyhe meant the justice League dark which is a seperate team dealing with supernatural and magic based characters like zatanna and Constantine.
@ oh sorry I’m not familiar with that team I’ve heard of the individual characters might give it a read. Thanks
@@Donnybabyboy yeah it's interesting and different from the usual superhero teams. There is an animated movie available and plus Guillermo del Toro was supposed to make a live action adaptation but unfortunately it got canned.
They could have some horror elements in that.
I really hope they include Upside Down Man.
That guy is just terrifying, would be great for the movie.
You're a man of many words, Boba.
As always, thank you for the update!
Reverse kingdom come indeed. A bridge from a golden age (and in a meta sense, the past 15 years of superhero films) to a new silver age.
Good god all mighty so much content through every genre. Sgt. Rock with Daniel Craig that's genius and he has playing a soldier, leader, general of sorts in Defiance which is so good and he will fit the role so well. Hell we are getting Sgt. Rock storyline Creature Commandos and how they worked with Monsters and robots etc which should shed some light to setup a prequel storyline to Sgt. Rock and the Howling Commandos.
Howling commandos is marvel brosephecles. Not too familiar with sgt rock myself but I believe his group is just called easy company
The DCU is shaping up nicely🔥
My god I'm exhausted with the Snyder cult. Get over it. Those looks so promising. And Gunn has a hell of a track record
I've been saying that Peacemaker S1 bar the JL scene is canon for ages I'm glad Gunn finally clarified it 🙌🏻
P2 should start with P1 final scene but instead of jl,it's lord tech's gl,hawkfirl n Mr terrific like clooney's Wayne...perfection!
@syamilshazlan862 Agreed
I think The Authority is one of those R-rated films. I do want an update on that and hopefully we get some sort of tease of it in Superman. I can't wait for the DCU to start. I like James Gunn's comments on storytelling and how the canon will be explained and go.
I love Gunn's attitude toward canon. It pretty much comes down to "Who cares? Just relax and watch the movie you're watching."
I have theory for the DCU and superman. So like the kingdom come storyline, superman swoops in to stop all the violence. And regarding the behind the scenes of superman. Hawkgirl, guy Gardner, Mr terrific, and metamorpho all have the same jackets and outfit having a companies name. So I'm thinking that the justice society were the last independent superheroes before the public didn't trust them anymore so the government forced these other heroes to sign a deal, in which superman refuses leading to his arrest. And I'm assuming the justice league will set up trust with world like the justice society.
That also adds to them saying new frontier was a big inspiration too
@ultron_sigma thanks but we didn't see metamorpho at all in the links as well seeing him in the same jacket as Lord Tech Heroes
@ultron_sigma sorry for my spelling links i meant leaks
@michaelkaggwa4915 james gunn did confirm he'll be in the movie, but don't know if he's on the government's side or superman's.
@@nemesisprime4501 can you send me link where he said so that i can check it
What I'm hearing is the story itself, and the storytelling is priority number one, and what's canon will be revealed through the story as opposed to some preconceived, pre-formed idea of what is or isn't canon. Sounds reasonable and reassuring to me. People having such a problem with his humorous and facetious Greedo example seems like a lot of pearl-clutching to me. From all we've heard, a lot of work is being put into crafting a DCU with its own internal history.
Agreed. He created a writers room from the beginning to iron out his story. He knows what his canon is.
I think Sgt Rock is at least one of the projects we didn't know about.
we did, nexus point news reported it back in february
@sorafamesmo853lit I remember the rumor that it was in development. However, they are in talks with an actor to be Sgt Rock and have a director attached, which means to me that the script is complete. All of that is new to me.
Gunn’s comments on canon are so on the money. Canon is a tool not a rule, it should only be used to enhance a story and never to constrain it. Basically every legendary comic writer has expressed a similar sentiment and it makes me feel SO confident about DC in his hands.
True, there are so many times they've recreated Canon, afterall we are dealing with characters that are 70 years old.
Imagine the thoughts of the original generation reading 70s and 80s DC stories. I wonder if they were so hawkish on Canon.
I'm excited for the Superman movie and Lanterns!!! It would be great if they brought The Question in live action!!!
Yeah Gunn is simply just very respectful of fans’ opnions and their headcanons. I don’t get the hate for his canon comment.
but yeah we're all very much looking forward to that Superman trailer hopefully it doesn't get leaked
I have never had this much faith in an actors performance as much as I have in David’s Superman, I truly believe in him and think he’ll embody everything superman is especially under Gunns leadership.
Gunn's comment about the unimportance of canon is honestly welcome, i'd rather treat headcanons with respect than bash heads about inconsistencies coming from overworked people making 100+ million dollar movies. The emotional involvement of these stories generate more engagement and can be fulfilling to some people.
Circe's costume design seems very Wonder Womanish. Looks like she definitely belongs in that world.
Man. It would be cool if boba had an interview with james gunn 😂😂
Translation: "Calm down nerds, its just a movie"
Hey Boba, been commenting and discussing the Reverse Kingdom Come theory since day 1 or close to day 1 too. I discussed the whole JSA legacies thing a lot as well if you remember. I still stand by Clark being Superman for at least 5 years (starts at 25, currently 30 as confirmed) and I do think James Gunn's new comment can actually support it.
He mentioned how even though metahumans have existed since WWII, they've increased and are a lot bigger and more of a problem now. This fits with Superman still being the first hero of the current heroic age which a lot of Superman writers like Grant Morrison and Mark Waid (both people James have taken inspiration from through their works and talked to and about) emphasize as important. This fits with him already being the biggest most well-known and popular hero of Metropolis too. The Golden Age started with the JSA, at some point they disbanded like in comics (especially New Frontier), then the Silver Age started with Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, Ted Kord and likely Barry Allen (who started it IRL) but it never took off as well as the GA. Then Superman starts the new Bronze/Modern age expansion.
Honestly I almost lean to the possibility of 8 years now too. In My Adventures with Superman, Clark started as Superman and a cub reporter at 22. But some gap years before 25 fits. At the end of the day, long term this is still a very young Superman compared to comics Superman who IRL has 80 years of history and currently in-universe has over 20 years of history. For example, in Mark Waid's current World's Finest run set in the past, Dick Grayson is still Robin but already well-experienced with both Clark and Bruce but Jon is explicitly said to not be born yet as confirmed. So in the DCU, the end goal for a veteran Superman is still far away.
Wow boba great informational video . Bro I can’t wait for the Batman 2 and brace and the bold … I’m such a Batman fanboy true and through .. I can’t wait .
That trailer is dropping Christmas Day I bet! Gunn Claus gifting the perfect present
Boba dropping another spicy video let’s GOOO 🔥
Can’t wait for creature commandos and just for the overall DCU to just start 🔥🔥🔥
I love your Superman hat 💞
I had trust in Gunn from the start and it feels like that was justified. Sounds all very good.
I vibe with what Gunn said about cannonicity. I’m so burnt out on keeping track of multiverses and what connects to what that I genuinely don’t care to question how minor things fit together anymore, I just want to watch a good story. I think people take canon way too seriously these days, like if the thing itself is good then why should it matter so much?
My guess for the next projects are the ones reported in the trades... Titans, blue beetle, deathstroke and bane, and sergeant rock.
And, my guess for Gunn's next project is the authority
Hehehe could be wrong, but just wanna share 😁😁
What if James drops the trailer on the 46th anniversary of Superman the movie
Ahhh 🙏🙏🙏 been waiting for this 😋
This was interesting and reassuring. I'm glad that it seems like Gunn cares
Awesome video Boba! thanks
4:13 idk Superman seems like a Super Bowl thing
I am so glad Gunn isn’t doing a million origin stories 👏🏾 just jump into an already established universe and give “select” characters origin “series” to truely flesh out “select” characters that we “need” to see their origin story.
Thats one thing Marvel (and Sony) has failed to grasp… not every character warrents an origin story. Not every characters origin is interesting enough to warrent their own movie or series. I’m so happy, he’s being selective about that. It flushes out the fluff of a universe and hyper forcuses on the over arching story of the universe. Everyone wanting individual solo stories… well, they should have supported Snyders vision and they would have had that… but here we are and we’re not doing that anymore and I couldnt be happier about where we’re starting 👏🏾
"I am so glad Gunn isn’t doing a million origin stories 👏🏾 just jump into an already established universe and give “select” characters origin “series” to truely flesh out “select” characters that we “need” to see their origin story."
That was one of the biggest criticisms of the DCEU. Rushed development. No solo films. Why is it ok now?
@@DaveMiller2Because not having origin stories isn’t the same as „rushed development“. Here it’s not rushed at all. Nothing is starting until the script if finished and good. No last minute changes to the story, no studio interference while shooting.
Yes, it’s an already existing universe and that we will explore. It’s not rushed if it’s long planned and prepared.
@@jacktheflagg5713 It's EXCATLY the same thing. There is no development at all. You guys are pathetic with you mental gymnastics about this. You sound like Joe Biden explaining something. Totally nonsensical and illogical.
@ So you think an established planned universe that focuses on good stories is the same thing as a universe that desperately wants to keep up with Marvel and has a lot of studio interference and last minute script changes?
I mean I get it if you want to see the origin stories, but there are many out there already. For Batman I personally recommend Nolans Trilogy. But it’s not that important. It’s about exploring this world and that situation, that moment with our heroes together.
@@jacktheflagg5713 Rushing development is rushing development. Same thing. Gunn is just rushing faster. Gunns world has no development. No growth. It just exists in full. The DCEU was rushing development too, just not as fast. That was the complaint. No development. Same thing Gunn is doing. But now it's OK because you like Gunn so you rearrange reality in your mind.
I think that we will be getting the introduction of Jenny Sparks or the whole Authority during creature commandos
Somehow didn’t know you were getting married. Congratulations man! Any chance we’re getting a The Batman 2 discussion video soon?
All I’m going to say as a Hardcore DC fan there have been ups and many downs and I’m feeling very hopeful for the new DCU !!!
Some of us said years ago that if they continue this, he was going to keep the people that he worked with not the people he did not work with. It ain’t just folks who work with Zach not coming back. It’s other directors as well. It’s basically the David Ayer and James Gunn universe minus David Ayer . I’m one of the people who want Zach to finish his story in a elseworlds .
Good coverage on all this news, Boba.
How long would a CC episode be?
I believe Gunn tried to convey that one should not limit their creation choices by the "canon", as long as the story is good, it can be done. I.e. last Batman seems to occur in a separate timeline
This is great! Love how you really dug into all of these various points. So much food for thought.
Just wanted to say that I really respect Gunn's philosophy of putting the scripts (and therefore, the writers) first. Since he himself is a writer, I can see how important it would be to him. Love that about his approach.
As for what Gunn tackles next, I would love it if he wrote the Authority movie. There's a really specific and subtle mix of humor and political commentary that I think Gunn could really nail. Whoever writes it really needs to understand both the vibe and the point of where the world was when those stories came out. The Authority is often compared to The Boys, but other than the fact that there is political commentary in the stories, I don't see them being that similar. There's also the fact that the Authority came out 25 years ago, and many things in the world have changed since then. Will they have an Authority that takes place in the late 90s/early 00s, or will they update it to take place now? If it's the latter, then that really changes the undertone and the kind of stories that might be told. I'm just so curious about where they will take it, because navigating the politics of it all is going to be a big decision they will have to make, before they decide anything else.
im really happy hearing how james will be approaching the DCU
im more glad than i am upset at is comments on the continuity, i agree entirely. too many movies these days are made so fast just for the sake of a deadline that they dont have room to be fully fleshed out anymore.
even more happy with gun than i was before
I remember the Reverse Kingdom Come Theory. By far one of my favorite theories I have ever seen. From one of my favorite DC elseworld stories. If this is what James Gunn is going for I am excited to see how he executes it.
Edit: True Detective was amazing. And Green Lanterns are space cops no matter how you cut the cake. So it is both fantastical and grounded. I love this.
Edit 2: I would love to see what James can do with a Dead Man animated series tbh. And also, we had magic throughout CW's Legends of Tomorrow, though admittedly the movies have sort of snubbed it.
Remember what he said, bro.
He dropped the "Legacy" from the title because the story he wanted to tell changed enough that it no longer fit.
He never said it 'changed', he just realised after it was all locked in that the better title was purely 'SUPERMAN'. Either way, I still think the original title was a somewhat link to the 'legacy' Superman will bring to the present day DCU & it's heroes with regards to the state of heroes/metahumans/reverse-Kingdom Come theory.
I'll agree with you that he didn't use that word.
A better word would be 'evolved'.
His first draft was titled 'Superman: Legacy'.
By the time he finished his final draft, the story changed - my word - enough that it was decided the title of the movie should be trimmed down to just 'Superman'.
I'm not one of those "James Gunn is a liar" losers, who only reads headlines and immediately hate-Tweets, but, honestly, the title change may have come from executives above him at Warner Bros.
The way he worded his IG post, it's not clear who changed the title or specifically why it was changed.
No big deal, as it seems you were pretty spot-on from the beginning about most everything else.
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@@BobaTalks So the "legacy" Title was a spoiler!
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I still keep seeing people say that Peacemaker will travel from the DCEU to the DCU and that will explain the changes in canon. But i don't think that will be the case, i think we will just have to act like it was the DCU all along since it doesn't really contradict anything
That strategy works for me. I think a lot of canon interconnectivity was used to sell under-baked movies by associating them as closely as possible with stuff we already liked. Trying to shore up the failing MCU by endlessly calling back to its past glories ended up dragging down the overall success of the franchise, rather than keeping it going. So to me, whatever anyone feels about the DCEU, I think it's best to just leave those films alone, let them stand on their own, and look forward rather than back. Let's just watch the movies we're watching, and not worry about what did or didn't happen in previous movies.
@rottensquid 100% agreed, also you know how the Snyder fans are. If you say he is from the DCEU then they would be like oh "Superman may have crossed over too!", "Now they can continue it on netflix!". They would think the DCEU is still alive. It's much much better to leave it in the past for good, no multiverse shenanigans
I really want to see an area of Focus and Identity for DCU,
For DCU films 🎥Focus on Families (Superman, Supergirl)
For DCU Series (HBO) Focus On Adults
But still have Mature Themes for Both Films 🎥 and Series!
If the JL will be retconned out of the ending of Peacemaker...will the ending in its entirety be removed or will they be replaced with another team?The Creature Commandos? The Suicide Squad? a sole character?
It'll more likely be Peacemaker is hallucinating, he may have this complex in which he'll hallucinate.
I could see them being replaced by the suicide Squad. It would be nice to see idris elba and margot robbie again.
@@prathapkutty7407 Sorry but i don't think we have the suicide Squad in DCU we have the M Squad
@@michaelkaggwa4915 M Squad?
@@prathapkutty7407 M for Monster ( Monsters in CC ) and the first chapter for DCU is Gods and Monsters
Boba great video as always and I agree with your reverse Kingdom come theory.
Also what Rated R DCU films would you like to see?
I am sure the Authority will be R rated and I hope Swampthing will be as well, but I would also like to see a R rated RedHood ,Justice league Dark and at some point in the future Blackest Night!
I also feel like Gunn is going to be directing the authority because like you said it’s right up his alley.
I cant wait for superman movie, im dreading the end of superman and lois, but really looking forward for a whole universe and see other characters get projects that wouldnt normally
Here we go!🔥🔥🔥🔥
Am I the only one who still hasn't registered that Clayface is in the DCU
Keep up the good work boba ❤🎉
An r rated animated movie or series based on darkseid's origin would go so hard
Chris Mundy, Tom King and Damon Lindelof.
Haha love how you put the sgt rock News
I was kinda hoping they would make the old dcu earth 2. Mostly because I could see cornsweat going up against cavill who is superman prime.
It would be fun to see Corenswet smash caville's Superman to bits, but I just think not enough people care about the Snyderverse to warrant it. I think it would leave general audiences confused as they wouldn't know who those characters were and wouldn't care.
@ that’s definitely a WILD take
@@levimiller9367 I don't think so. The Snyderverse failed to make any lasting cultural impact. The only thing it's known for is "Martha". And that's based on a misunderstanding of what the actual content was. Just about the only characters I think people would recognize are Harley Quinn and Peacemaker. And I say that as a big fan of the first Shazam.
@@xuxuang8574 that’s also a WILD take
@levimiller9367 How?
Boba, you're literally the best ❤
Congrats and best wishes for your wedding, friend!
I hope they leave run to pivot and keep things fresh and not too predictable. one thing is for sure is that James Gunn makes his characters worth being invested
Maybe the trailer will be released for the game awards 🤔
that would be a cool suprise
I want a The Question Tv show so baaaaaad.
i feel it's going to be a floating timeline thing where everything both did and didn't happen
It amazes me that people care so much what is cannon and what isn’t
Gunn should do Blood Syndicate
Daniel Craig is such a great casting fof Stg. Rock, I can't believe I've never thought of that!
We care very little about canon and continuity in comics. It's nice for reference but it's more about the individual stories told about well curated characters. These characters have all had so may artists work on them and it never get's in the way of enjoying them. what matters is, Is it a good story or not, is it true to character or not, is it visually appealing, and does it explore new ideas or not.
Daniel creig is going to Be in DCU
Just a question, I've been feeling as though they should have cast a bigger name for Lex Luthor (preferably an oscar winner or a nominee) to bring more prestige and eyes to the movie. Don't get me wrong, I believe Hoult will do a great job and he's a well known actor but I don't know, maybe they should gone the route of casting an oscar winner or nominee kinda like Gene Hackman
What have you seen Brandon Skelnar in to convince you? The guy has got literal bot-farms campaigning for him. It's crazy. I'm not saying you and Blake Lively are bots.. but the evidence is there on both youtube and instagram. Its certainly one way to get the gig I suppose
Perfect response from Gunn (re: canon).
He could be on the screen but not in person.
You can’t just retcon out a DCEU justice league cameo 😂 OHHH yeah that thing that we showed years ago, umm well yeah, just ignore it and go watch the interviews.
Now if you were good at your job you’d know that James Gunn has confirmed that the continuity change is going to be acknowledged in Peacemaker S2.
Yes you can, comics have had this happen many times. And it's very funny that you put that last part, as I've discussed James Gunn talking about how Peacemaker S2 will address the change over a dozen times.
It's a rebooted universe bozo
I’m thinking that he could drop trailer during the Super Bowl like marvel did with Deadpool and Wolverine which could also mean maybe and this is a hard maybe we might get a fantastic 4 trailer during the Super Bowl also but if Gunn doesn’t drop the trailer during the Super Bowl maybe he’ll wait for dates like he did this year like Superman’s birthday feb 29 or other dates significant to Superman
I am fine with Gunn's vision, my problem is the way Gunn and Saffran just axed the DCEU, instead of leading us into it with the last of the DCEU we were expecting, The Flash should have been a perfect joiner movie to make the change, but that was botched then they do dirty on the actors we already had, it is always going to be a sore point for me, this new Superman was coming we know this, but the change was far from smooth and far from well done. so good luck with this movie and I hope it is not going to be like a Mavel Movie with a DC skin.
#RiseDCU
I hope gunns next project is LOBO r rated gurdians/fifth element style bounty hunt across the galaxy could really expand the dcu and introduce the other worldly characters
Congrats to being a soon to be newly wed!!!
james gunn dcu No love I can’t believe this because James Gunn shut down Dceu comic
Idk much about Sgt. Rock and I'm not surprised that they're trying to do some projects that won't cost nearly as much and should be fast to film.
That being said, idk how many "grounded" projects I wanna see
I’m hoping that the universe will still be enjoyable for kids also I don’t think my 8 year old nephew is going to enjoy a Green Lantern show inspired by true detective. I understand dipping into different Ratings but I really like how the MCU understood that they were entertaining two different fanbases both adults and kids.
I want there to be a legion series ....😊
What if the teaser is revealed in The Game Awards 2024 then a full trailer in CCXP?
I think Gunn will release the trailer in the new year
i predict that parallax will take control of hal jordan in Lanterns.
Which video game is that… it shows awesome animation of Batman, Wonder Woman, etc.
Your "Reverse Kingdom Come" theory is just Superman vs The Elite
SO Basically BOTH SUPERMAN COMICS Same Similarly IDEAS
They could always explore origin stories on MAX ala “the Penguin” congrats on the wedding!!!🎉
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Batman is in creature commandoes it has leaked already
@phantom1122334455films are you sure? which actor?
Where it leaked?