Cleaning a Record with Wood Glue!?
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2019
- In this video I decided to try out cleaning one of my old vinyl records with wood glue! Did it work? You tell me!
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Well who would have thunk 😁 There is a noticable difference. I was hoping you would play the glue. I personally don't care what kinds of videos you make just keep making them. When is the next live event?
You are the best! I was actually thinking about going live again this weekend! I have a new setup for it and I am pretty pumped! You keep watching and I will keep creating!
@@TheFixerHomeRepair cool, I will be watching.
The glue wouldnt play the actual recording. The glue is a "negative" of the record, not a copy. Where the grooves are on the record, those are ridges on the glue ... and the walls of the grooves are the valleys in the glue... it is impossible to play the glue "copy" and get the sound of the record. You can play a "negative " of what's on the record, whatever that even means, but again... the grooves in the record arent grooves on the glue "copy"... they're peaks, not valleys
@@scottjohns1313 so if you were to pour glue into the negative glue , you'd get a playable glue ?.
thunk
I heard significantly less pops and static on the “after” recording. Also, glad you tried playing the glue because that was my first thought when you took it off.
Haha yeah I had to!
How can you hear if it was static or not?
@@jemandoondame2581 it's called good headphones
Also: the few pops and clicks that remained after the cleaning were damage to the vinyl itself. This of course is what happens over time when a diamond (or even sapphire) stylus keeps cutting into the record with each play. And this is why it's very common with older records like the one you played. There is absolutely nothing you can do about damage to vinyl--despite what some RUclipsrs will claim (I, or one, refuse to use sandpaper on my records, as one example of what's out there). But that's actually a part of the charm of records--the clicks and pops, when not too overbearing, are evidence of a well played--and well loved--record.
Yes I totally agree! I have never heard of using sandpaper. That is just crazy, I would not ever attempt that! Thanks for checking out the video!!
@@TheFixerHomeRepair Here's what I mean:
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It's also common when you handle vinyl like a frisbee. Such as in this video.
@@WillieBeard exactly or the fact that people know nothing about maintaining a needle, proper azimuth, vtf, and what have you. So many factors go into the wearing of a record. I have a Ella and Louie album from the 50's that still has full luster and sounds amazing.
It’s like a biore pore strip for a record.
Exactly! Thanks for checking it out!
For the love of vinyl Dont do it!!!! Use common sense instead. Stripping the surface of a record reduces its lifespan and does no more than a wipe with a damp cloth. Plus after a pore strip you wash your face to get rid of excess or you tone. This glue method leaves residue in the tiny grooves for the stylus to become covered in glue.
Those little brick like sounds in the after video that weren't in the before video are tiny glue deposits. What probably never crossed the posters mind is that the glue doesnt strip off perfectly but if you get a jewellers eyepiece you'll see it. Would any serious record collector with valuable records or an expensive turntable ever put glue on their records? NO...not under any circumstance.
@@bottomendbliss if I owned any vinyl I would take this impassioned plea to heart.
Great video. Retired audio engineer and DJ from the 70s and 80's, I've been doing wood glue (TiteBond II or III) for 20+ years. Works fantastic.
Here for the glue peel off ..😏😭😅 watched it twice 😂
😂😂 Haha I love it! Thanks for checking it out!!
That was really cool. I can definitely hear a difference.
Thanks for checking it out Andy!!
The peeling was incredibly satisfying
Great Job. I have been doing this for about three years now. I have never been disapointed. This works. Since my video, I have now reverted to a cake decorating table and use the smoothing wand to spread the glue. I use Jot glue from Dollar Tree. I can get two 8oz. bottles for $1. I figured the glue would play. I just didn't have the guts to play it on my JVC.
Thanks, I have been trying this method on some of my old friends that I just don’t want to give up on. A couple of hacks that may help. I stage about 8 records to glue and lay them out on a thick plastic bag for drying, then flip them to the other side to be treated before peeling both sides. There is static that attracts small glue debris so I spray with 50/50 combo of distilled water and 90% alcohol then wipe with micro fiber towel. A fingernail or tooth pick helps get the peeling started. Be sure to pull up any remaining glue residual and best to do first playback on your backup turntable as I have concerns about damaging the stylus on a good TT. I think this method has merit but not sure it’s better than more conventional soft cleaning methods. I use an old credit card to spread the glue but will try with my finger as suggested by another responder.
If you're going to try and clean records with wood glue, I highly suggest you use Titebond II (blue label) instead of Gorilla Wood Glue. The reason being that Titebond is much more flexible, and not as prone to "flaking" as you see at 4:42 - 5:08. Furthermore, Titebond II does not adhere to the record as strongly as Gorilla Wood Glue, so it's better to use for those who are worried this method might damage their record via stripping.
Just checking to see if you'd still recommend Titebond II over Gorilla Wood Glue, I'm about to take your word for it and try this long-rumored technique for myself.
I tried this today for the first time. My records weren't nearly as noisy as the one you used, but almost all of the pops and cracks were eliminated using WOOD GLUE!?!??! WOW! Now I'm pulling other records out and cleaning them too ... awesome, thanks!
Hey, Scott! Awesome to hear!
This is awesome, my fiance got me a Prince record so I've been watching vinyl related videos, I gotta say, that one there looks so shiny and cool! Awesome video.
Awesome! I love Prince! Thanks for checking out the video, Kakyoin!
Was it.. "The Gold Experience"?
I’ve heard that the use of wood glue may lead to static like you mentioned. I suppose if you ran it over with an anti static brush the quality would be even better!
Yeah I was surprised by the little shock I got! Thanks for checking out the video!
Correct. Static gun should be used before each play.
Yes.
Gruv Glide helps immensely with keeping records static free.
From my research, and I'm not sure why, but titebond II seems to be the best. I think it's the water resistant part that make it more flexible and easier to remove in one piece.
I was wondering maybe Aleen's glue would work or mod podge? Those glues are flexible too
Peeling the glue always satisfies me 😍🖤
I can definitely hear the difference, well done 👍🏼
Mind. Blown. Very cool video. I thought it is sound better, seemed like the "sound" could "push" out better. Not sure that made any sense at all, but it sounded better to me. You blew me away at the end as well. lol
Haha thanks for checking it out! This one was fun!
I’ve done this a lot. It almost always works well. Best success is a 1975 original pressing of Born to Run which went from unlistenable with a number of skips, to near mint quiet.
I like the results. Please post more record cleaning videos with that wood glue.
You can hear the difference, and I wonder if hitting it with a zerostat after peeling off the glue wouldn’t take it another step more quiet. If you use the triangle method using a zerostat, they work awesome (and should for the price), you should squeeze the zerostat slowly enough that it doesn’t emit an audible “click”. That’s the trick with those zerostats. Nice vid, good job!
Thank you for playing the GLUE!!!!! :)
Of course haha I had to! Thanks for watching, Dave!
Great tip, thanks for the vid
just tried first time last night/today. I quickly learned that the key is to apply thick-enough glue, otherwise the peeling off is a pain and leaves all kinds of cracked pieces and you'll have to pry them up
I found that out too and don't leave it on too long as becomes very brittle.
This reminds me of pore strips for the face lol. So glad you played the glue!
Haha!!
yeah that glue trying to rip the diamond off the stylus was awesome and the glue now on that sharp diamond is a great investment.
A noticeable difference and very shiney! Wondered what the glue was going to sound like too. lol. That was awesome. I liked the name of your record player. Skippy, that's cute. 😆 I love all your videos. You put them out and I'll watch them. 😁🤗
Thanks Peach! 😃😃
@@TheFixerHomeRepair you should put your patreon link under your next video. 😉
Yes sounds much better! The end was super funny!!
I thought so too. Yeah I even thought about trying to flatten the glue and make a reverse record out of wood glue but that is a whole other video haha. Thanks for checking it out!
I’m more intrigued by whatever happened to that stylus! Thanks for sharing!
Definitely hear a difference. Very cool!!
That sound is so satisfying
Clear difference. Thank you.
Definitely could hear a difference, really cool video!
Thank you!
Yes there is a difference. So cool.
Amazing that the glue played!!
Good to see something like that.
Thanks
Thanks for watching!
It's much better. Thank you for posting.
Ok I can see how satisfying this is and very affective. However I have over 3,000 to do. So I guess I’ll only do the bad ones but I’m in the process of finally sorting and moving from numerous storage locations into my studio. I have two boxes (600) 7” That have black mould - can help thinking a) I need a lot of glue, 2) 10 per night 60 nights - wow.
This was very informative thanks one has to do it at home to judge the quality of the sound difference
Very interesting thing you show us today.
Thanks for watching!
For anyone doing this, it helps alot to stick a piece of thicker paper or card stock to easily get the peel started. Pit a little extra glue on the paper and set on after applying glue
Great video! So many of these record cleaning videos fail to show a before and after. You know it would really be interesting if you then did a before and after of the other side of the record just washing it with water. There was a real difference with the glue (I mean, aside from the scratches which glue can't fix) but I wonder if just cleaning with soap and water would do the same?
Ill be waiting on your video that shiws us the results of your test
@@SupremeNerd I'll make sure to send you a note once it's up.
Would never have thought of that working but it did 🤯 I am in shock! I want to know who is "Skippy" on the turntable?
When I was 17 I got 2 turntables and a mixer because I wanted to “scratch”. I named my turntables “skippy” and “scratchy” haha. Thanks for checking out the video!
Does it not damage the surface?
Beethoven's 5th symphony definitely sounded better after the glue cleaning! 📯🎶🎻🎼👏👍
Thanks for your video. I think liquid latex would be interesting, too: the stuff that is used as tubeless bike tire sealant or table tennis rubber glue. The thin layer of latex glue may be softer than the wood glue so that it wouldn't do any harm to the record discs. Furthermore, it peels off more easily than the wood glue after it is completely dried. I will try latex glue onto one of my LPs.
The reason people point to wood glue is PVA which is what wood glue is doesn't stick to PVC(what a record is) or Nitrocellulose lacquers. Liquid latex... WILL so it's going to make a really tight bond. The bond you see that you have to peel up the wood glue is because of extremely high friction actually. It's a huge amount of surface area in contact so you have to peel it apart. Think the people who have clamped onto 2 interwoven phonebooks, takes more than even 2 cars to pull it apart without the books attached in any way to each other. It's all friction.
My wonder is if using the goo used to clean keyboards would work as well but faster. It looks like putty and presses in between the keys. Might do the same for the grooves.
A lot of people don't understand the needles also collect dust which can affect the sound of the music. They still make cleaning solutions that are specifically made for vinyl those should also be used.
Thats like trying to talk common sense when the kids are going nuts. They cant hear you.
I’m definitely gonna try this with some old house records I’ve got. Some of them are SERIOUSLY bad.
well it doesn’t work on records that are super far gone. first one is just seriously marred up. i’ve got more to try though. i tried to play the glue too 🤣
@@djhaloeight Just get a spin record cleaner. This is too time consuming if you have a lot of records to clean.
I heard the difference. Awesome results.
Thanks for checking it out!
I’m embarrassed to say that the snap - crackle -pops sounded unchanged to me. But, as another commenter said, the music "pushed through" more on the after demo. Of course my perceptions are tied to my 78yo ears. So maybe what I received was unrelated to what was sent.👵🏻 🥴 🤔 😅. Sent by Patricia from N.H.. So thank you for all your videos and just keep ‘em coming.
Seeing how well the glue disc reproduces the sound, I'd only clean non copy write protected LPs in this way.🤣
Sounds cleaner but I wonder if some compressed air would also do the trick? You should try it with another record!
Yes, good idea! I have actually tried this. It is really hard to clean records though. The grooves are so tiny. This did a really good job compared to some other things. My big “go to” was using white distilled vinegar and a micro fiber cloth. We are lucky we have digitized music devices like our phones now because these old formats are a pain to maintain haha
@@TheFixerHomeRepair Maybe a pain to maintain (good rhyme!), but worth the effort!!!
I love how your record player's name is Skippy! (Reminds me of a beer can I met.)
Haha yeah I had two turntables in my younger days... one was called skippy and the other was scratchy! 😁 thanks for checking out the video!
Improved. I would give it a 2nd glue as I still hear blips.
Yeah i think you are right. I am thinking some might be scratches though. Don’t know how to fix that. Thanks for checking out the video!
I have a "Disc Washer" that I used on records in the 80's. Do they still make something like that? I haven't listened to my albums ever since CD's came in.
So glad you played the glue
😁😁👍
I don’t know what the difference is in the formula, but Elmers school glue remains more pliable than wood glue that is brittle and cracks when pealing. Still the best method I’ve found to clean dirty records.
Oh, wow! I was wondering if the glue would play. Lol!
I've always had a question that might be stupid or could be interesting. I wonder if you were able to put the record into a vacuum chamber after the glue is applied, would it potentially draw tiny bits of air out of the grooves and allow the glue to get in deeper to grab more dirt. There wouldn't be much air trapped beneath the glue, but there could be just enough to help prevent it from doing as good a cleaning as it could.
The way you handle your vinyl, I bet you have to clean often. Get done cleaning and immediately put your oily fingers right on the surface. Damn....
It's an old, test record obviously
A definite difference. I would need gallons and gallons to clean my collection. But when you played the glue and herd music, I wonder about the stripping of the vinyl. I will try an album that is in bad shape and that doesn't have a great importance to me. Wish me luck in finding one.
You should have placed a piece of card board at the end and ran the glue all the way into the locked groove too. Fingernails will scuff up and scratch the dead wax on the lead in grooves area. Tracks are on cd's, minidiscs and computer files. I call the songs or score selections on records/lp's..."cuts". Tracks are for cd's, dvd's, bluray's and computer folders with music files.
Yes I can clearly hear the difference. However, its a lot of work to do it on each record. I am going to try this myself on one of my records. Then share my experience
I think peeling off skin and peeling off layers of things is satisfying for humans because it's a vestigial memory from back when we were reptiles/fish :3
This is an interesting theory! haha I used to put Elmers glue on my hands, let it dry and peel it. Maybe that is where I got it from haha thanks for checking out the video!
Can you help me please? i did clean my vinyl with wood glue and after i leave it for more than 24 hours. i did peel the glue but a lot of resedue left on vinyl and i cant take it out coz of super thin resedue. what can i do to remove totally? thanks!
Sounds cleaner, less muffled
I thought so too!
Will this work with Titebond original wood glue? I'm hoping I didn't make a mistake and use the wrong type.
Yes it will work perfectly
I used to do this and then wipe it down with an anti static/lint free cloth, because I hate static lmao
Greetings...I've been doing this for years and have tried many different glue brands and application techniques.
If you continue to glue your old records (I typically only glue used records I buy from record shops), I'd recommend using Titebond II (blue bottle, found at Home Depot and Lowes) as your glue and use a finger to spread the glue, inside to outside, to inside.
I start from the inside with some light pressure and draw a wave to the outside. This keeps a little higher edge on the outer rim and I don't get the left over residue on the outer edge. I then move back to the center using the same technique, pushing the wave to the inner groove. This ensures a thick inside edge as well and helps ensure no residue is left in the final part of the groove. Incidentally, if there is ever any residue that is stuck, just reglue again, and let it sit more than 24 hours. When you peel, it should remove the residue from the last gluing.
I've found a sit of more than 24 hours yields better results (just not as fun when you want to get playing the record). I've also found that a wet clean first helps a lot. Not sure if it's because it removes dust that might sit on other dust, but I have found some serious differences from straight glue, to a glue after a wet clean.
I've had lots of success as I've refined my process in the last few years, and I STILL make the record shop owners cringe when I talk about it. To many, this is a horrible process, however, no one has yet given me actually proof that when done correctly, I am damaging the vinyl.
GREAT video! Thanks for helping promote a sound cleaning solution!
Thanks so much for these tips! Really appreciate the comment!
Maybe the tempo in the second one is more elongated and less static. But not much of a change
Yeah the tempo may be due to the age of the turntable. And it is belt driven, I have to adjust the tempo every time I turn the thing on because it is getting worn out. Thanks for checking out the video!
I hear a difference. Softer music might be more revealing. I have a Tschaikovsky Pathetique Symphony #6. This music starts softly and stays soft for quite a while. I am going to try wood glue.
For the love of vinyl Dont do it!!!! Use common sense instead. Stripping the surface of a record reduces its lifespan and does no more than a wipe with a damp cloth. This glue method leaves residue in the tiny grooves for the stylus to become covered in glue.
Those little brick like sounds in the after video that weren't in the before video are tiny glue deposits. What probably never crossed the posters mind is that the glue doesnt strip off perfectly but if you get a jewellers eyepiece you'll see it. Would any serious record collector with valuable records or an expensive turntable ever put glue on their records? NO...not under any circumstance.
Looks like I need to head to Lows for some wood glue
Yeah! Let me know how it goes!
Numark!!!!...ok back to the video!!
Love my Numarks!
2nd had much less crackling
I thought so too Jamie! Thanks for checking it out!
It's got to be better with all the dirt gone. Shelley says there's a difference, but my hearing has taken a severe hit from machinery, etc.
I think it helped... Thanks for checking it out!
I wonder if this would work with Elmers 🤔
"i came across a video of someone cleaning their records with wood glue and so thought i should just create the exact same video" cool
Congratulations for your video. It would be more useful if you had compared the glue method with the simple soap and water washing method.
how much did you pay for your denon small dj mixer.. can you send me the model number .. thank you..
yes there is a no scratching or popping sound on the after
👍
The glue sounded better than the vinyl. 😆
did u think about putting the glue “album” on the turntable to see what it sounds like?… bet it would be cool!
I did at the very end of the video. 😁👍
@@TheFixerHomeRepair oh wow, I was so excited to try this method I didn’t even wait to the end of the video!… I’m going back to watch it now!… great content, thanx!
'wood glue'm together. They stay real cleen that way.
Wow thanks. I actually used a similar technique for leaning underneath my flat top stove cos there were too many things stuck there and I didn't know how to take it apart to clean it.
It did sound better afterwards
Have a small vinyl collection that I cherish. Want to preserve it best I can. Will need to start with this cleaning method. Once done, I intend to have purchased the plastic sleeves to store the record in. Didn't watch video till the very end the first time. Read a few comments and one pointed out that you tried playing the peeled glue. Went back and completed watching till the end. That was amazing! Thanks for the video 😎
Probably too late but For the love of vinyl Dont do it!!!! Use common sense instead. A damp cloth is all you need. Stripping the surface of a record reduces its lifespan and does no more than a wipe with a damp cloth. This glue method leaves residue in the tiny grooves for the stylus to become covered in glue.
Those little brick like sounds in the after video that weren't in the before video are tiny glue deposits. What probably never crossed the posters mind is that the glue doesnt strip off perfectly but if you get a jewellers eyepiece you'll see it. Would any serious record collector with valuable records or an expensive turntable ever put glue on their records? NO...not under any circumstance.
l want to try it but afraid l'll get glue on my turntable. l need to get a junk turntable for this.
We followed all the steps but can't peel off the glue - it's just breaking off in little pieces and we're scratching the record to try to remove it. Luckily, it's on a record we don't care that much about. Any tips?
I found that this happens for a few reasons, first, it needs to be on thick, two, don't leave too long and three, the type of wood glue, someone mentions a waterproof wood glue is goo or school glue.
a bit of the old ludwig van
Till Linderman that’s right!
You should play the woodglue
Watch the very end of the video... 😉😁
@@TheFixerHomeRepair 😁😁
Assuming this actually cleans and improves the sound quality of the record, I’d still worry that the stylus picks up small remnants of glue, over time damaging the needle. I’m very tempted to try this on an old, beat up LP, but this other concern gives me pause. If anyone has used this practice over time, successfully, please chime in. I really don’t want to spend $1k on a record washer.
You can feel the grooves on the wood glue. I promise, nothing gets left
From the past 10 years, I have been deep cleaning my records with wood glue. They are perfect. No damage, what so ever, to stylus. And no need to use wood glue again and again on the same vinyl, as far as you keep them neat and dust free.
There was an audible difference in the before and after (improvement).
Much better
The noise floor is definitely lower after the glue treatment. However nothing will fix the sever damage you inflicted in the entry groove. Even so, the entry was much cleaner. Word of advice, do Not manually place the stylus on the record. Humans are not as gentle as the auto lowering of modern turntables. Additionally, that is a shit cartridge and probably has a higher noise floor. I will be trying this with my Denon DL-103r to see how i do. Cheers
Thanks for the feedback, Cesar! Yes, poor quality cartridge, poor quality record and the auto lowering mechanism is broken, so poor quality turntable haha. Perfect testing equipment for a video like this! Thanks for checking out the video!
I have to disagree about not lowering the tone arm manually.
Not every player has decent dampening to drop the tone arm slowly. This is especially true with lower end, all in one units, like Crosley, etc. Even if you get a better TT, the dampening can loosen over time, causing the tone arm to drop more quickly. I have found in my experience that it’s better that I place the stylus on the record instead of just letting it drop. This prevents the stylus from skipping the first couple or so grooves, saving them from preventable damage.
If someone wants to just let the tone arm and stylus drop, they can do that. But my experience shows that manually placing the tone arm and stylus on the record causes far less probable damage.
Lordy that is a bad Beethoven 5.
You need to clean your turntable too lol
Haha yes I do!
7:40 is where it's at 😁
I prefer to use my industrial belt sander to clean my records, more efficient.
80 grit does a good job 👍
@@TheFixerHomeRepair Haha, indeed.
I wonder, if you strip the glue off in one piece can you put the glue on the turntable and play the record backwards?😂😂😂
Watch the very end of the video to find out... 😉