Kiss-1995 Los Angeles-Hard Luck Woman (Peter Criss Vocal)

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  • @kevinchandler179
    @kevinchandler179 8 месяцев назад +51

    It's not just coincidence that my boy the Catman sung Black Diamond, Hard Luck woman, Beth, Strange Ways, Nothing to lose, Baby Driver and Houlagan!!! He was very underrated and underappreciated drummer and vocals, and by far had the best damn voice in the band ever!!!!

    • @DB-kl9bp
      @DB-kl9bp 5 месяцев назад +3

      Hooligan

    • @kevinchandler179
      @kevinchandler179 5 месяцев назад +3

      ​@DB-kl9bp Sorry, I am a die hard Peter Criss fan, and the spelling wasn't my top concern on my point buddy!!! Lol 🤦‍♂️

    • @GordonWilkinson-t8b
      @GordonWilkinson-t8b Месяц назад

      Stanley better !!!

    • @vintagestarwarsfan
      @vintagestarwarsfan 4 дня назад +2

      He just couldn't write music.

  • @patl9404
    @patl9404 Год назад +25

    Don't let any say different,,Peter is the best😊

  • @davidcarlin3850
    @davidcarlin3850 10 месяцев назад +20

    Such a beautiful song. Peter great vocals

  • @bluescitygarage
    @bluescitygarage Год назад +58

    The best vocals in the band. Peter was amazing very underrated.

    • @kevinchandler179
      @kevinchandler179 9 месяцев назад +6

      Your damn right!!! He was so damn great and underrated and underappreciated drummer and vocals, it's a damn shame!!!!

    • @GordonWilkinson-t8b
      @GordonWilkinson-t8b Месяц назад

      no

  • @joeg509
    @joeg509 3 года назад +98

    Peter, the best voice in kiss...Incredible!!!!

    • @randalgibbons8822
      @randalgibbons8822 2 года назад +11

      Absolutely! I think Gene and Paul were getting concerned about Peters rising popularity when he sang the best 3 songs, hands down, on Rock and Roll Over. Genes voice sucks, not sure how his vocals ever made it to the radio waves. I think that's part of what started the riff in the band. On Peter Criss' worse day he could sing Paul under the table.

    • @kevinchandler179
      @kevinchandler179 2 года назад +14

      Yep, Catman had by far the best voice in the band!!! They, knew it as well, but didn't want to admit it!!! Black Diamond, Hard Luck woman, and Beth are 3 of Kiss fan poll even top 5 songs, and my favorite member and amazing Peter Chriss sung all 3!!! Coincidence, I don't think so, him and Ace were absolutely the best in the band!!!!

    • @donaldmosteller5876
      @donaldmosteller5876 2 года назад +1

      I beggar the difference....Paul Stanley..###1

    • @picax8398
      @picax8398 Год назад +1

      ​@@donaldmosteller5876look up the midnight special video of Peter singing black diamond

    • @chiefbrody75
      @chiefbrody75 Год назад +3

      Different kind of voice. Gravelly, rough sounding, and PERFECT. Peter was really into Motown, R&B type music . His solo album is a great one, still listen to it now

  • @ChloeUnknown-ul2ym
    @ChloeUnknown-ul2ym 5 месяцев назад +15

    This is one of my fav songs ever,I don't want to hear anyone else sing it! Long live the Cat Man!!

  • @markallen2984
    @markallen2984 3 года назад +47

    It's really cool to see Gene's smile in response to the enthusiasm of the crowd.

  • @threalismaradona9899
    @threalismaradona9899 5 лет назад +75

    Peters voice sooo goood

  • @YERBLUES87
    @YERBLUES87 14 лет назад +190

    PETER CRISS IS THE ONLY CAT MAN!

  • @jamescarr3895
    @jamescarr3895 Год назад +21

    The most underrated drummer/singer of all time.Class dismissed .

    • @kevinchandler179
      @kevinchandler179 8 месяцев назад +1

      Agreed 💯 percent 👍!!! In his prime especially, he had the best voice by far and drumming wise, unique style jungle rhythm and jazz filled riffs that he incorporated into Rock and Roll!!!

  • @mellowshipslinky5600
    @mellowshipslinky5600 4 года назад +54

    God fucking damn, I can't stop listening to this preformance. Pure magic, Peter made this song what it is.

  • @pedaphelps
    @pedaphelps 3 года назад +107

    it's always such a shame when band members can't get along. These guys are the ones who made the magic in the first place.

    • @lucky7mojo
      @lucky7mojo 2 месяца назад

      Cocaine is one helluva drug

  • @Rokonroller
    @Rokonroller 2 года назад +23

    Kiss was always great beyond question!! Made growing through the 70’s s remarkable time to be alive

    • @KISStributeNYC97
      @KISStributeNYC97 Год назад +2

      I feel the same. Growing up in the 70s as a kid, and having KISS become the phenomenon that they were back in that decade…contributed to some of the best times of my childhood. The music, the mystique…there will NEVER be another time like that. There will NEVER be another KISS. Then, to portray Peter later in life, was literally life-changing.

  • @petersmernoff9209
    @petersmernoff9209 4 года назад +25

    The Catman's voice is AWESOME!!!

  • @jessiegarcia8166
    @jessiegarcia8166 2 года назад +53

    MAN....THAT BADASS RASPY MEOW FROM THE CATMAN...!!!!😎👍
    I suddenly had a lump in my throat that brought a tear to my SOUL...😪
    MY GOD DUDES, THANKS FOR ALL THE MAGIC.
    🦇🐱🛸⚘

  • @renejustice886
    @renejustice886 Год назад +6

    PC…..great voice!

  • @bmelvin1234
    @bmelvin1234 Год назад +5

    Peter is the most underrated singer in the world.

  • @MichaelBenner2014
    @MichaelBenner2014 10 лет назад +197

    its always been Peter's song

    • @ddobry21
      @ddobry21 3 года назад +13

      Yup, just like Beth and Black Diamond. I don't wanna hear anyone else singing these three songs. They belong to Peter Criss.

    • @kevinchandler179
      @kevinchandler179 2 года назад +4

      Always will as well!!! Black Diamond and Beth obviously as well!!!

    • @pabloeskybruh9624
      @pabloeskybruh9624 2 года назад +2

      @@ddobry21 i disagree I think Eric carr sung and played black diamond the best! Agree with Beth and hard luck women though👌🏻

    • @lizsimonar6245
      @lizsimonar6245 2 года назад +1

      About eric singer and eric carr

    • @kevinchandler179
      @kevinchandler179 2 года назад +3

      Eric Carr god rest his soul 🙏 I love very much, but I disagree that he
      played Black Diamond better than the living legend drummer Mr. Pete Criss!!! I can't buy that one, people!!!!

  • @mrfixzit1019
    @mrfixzit1019 Год назад +10

    You guys are all correct..Peter Does it, with feeling and From the heart ! Thanks Kiss, you guys are awsum..Kiss forever !

  • @jamescarey2367
    @jamescarey2367 3 года назад +24

    Always loved this kiss song.

  • @allenknisell1119
    @allenknisell1119 3 года назад +10

    Peter criss owned this song when it came to the vocals

  • @70sgirl51
    @70sgirl51 2 года назад +36

    My favorite KISS song. I don't think it would have been done any better by anyone but Peter. He really was underated as a vocalist.

    • @cleetusmacfarland9453
      @cleetusmacfarland9453 Год назад +2

      yes next was Beth

    • @prinzeugen1220
      @prinzeugen1220 Год назад

      @@cleetusmacfarland9453 Beth came out before this; and the original post was saying that no one could sing Hard Luck Woman better than Peter

    • @cleetusmacfarland9453
      @cleetusmacfarland9453 Год назад

      @prinzeugen1220 My point was that Irregardless of which came out first, that their 2 best songs were both sung by Peter!

    • @kevinchandler179
      @kevinchandler179 Год назад +1

      Black Diamond was a Peter song and was amazing 👏 as well!!! 3 of the best Kiss songs ever were Hard Luck Woman, Beth, and Black Diamond, and look who sang them, the Catman!!!!

  • @anthonycypress9764
    @anthonycypress9764 4 года назад +5

    PETER (The Kat Man) CRISS! Beth & Hard Luck Woman no one else should sing those two songs other then Peter!! Awesome performance! FUCK YEAH!

  • @andersgalk1724
    @andersgalk1724 3 года назад +82

    One of the best vocal performances of this song, even for Peter. Pure energy, putting all the years passed into this moment. A magic moment.

    • @fredjones554
      @fredjones554 2 года назад +4

      This performance is so special. His voice communicates so much.

    • @kevinchandler179
      @kevinchandler179 8 месяцев назад +1

      Peter had one of the best vocals in Rock and roll history!!! Powerful and soulful voice!!! And, from 74-78 one of the best drummers on planet earth 🌏!!! Team Peter and Ace

  • @latinfukcpl
    @latinfukcpl 4 года назад +70

    This song sends shivers down my soul. What a classic!

  • @suzanneanthony7471
    @suzanneanthony7471 4 года назад +10

    This is such a cool moment! Peter!

  • @bareassnewfie
    @bareassnewfie 11 лет назад +155

    Paul Stanley does a great version unplugged, but yeah Peter Criss, is definitely the original star behind this song, great post, excellent song thank you

  • @andrewneil7554
    @andrewneil7554 Год назад +7

    Just amazing vocal and presence.

  • @Genkimark
    @Genkimark 4 года назад +13

    This will always be Peter's song. HBD, Peter!!

    • @kevinchandler179
      @kevinchandler179 Год назад +2

      Technically, nobody gives a shit!!!!! Because, just like Black Diamond and Beth, all we really remember is the Catman singing the shit out of each of them!!!!!

  • @tommytrixter
    @tommytrixter Год назад +3

    Kiss Will Alway's Be ACE PETER PAUL GENE !!!!!

    • @KISStributeNYC97
      @KISStributeNYC97 Год назад

      Yes! It was those 4 that created the magic. Take just one away….any one…and that is lost.

  • @kevinkiso9330
    @kevinkiso9330 10 лет назад +281

    Paul originally wrote the song with plans to offer it to Rod Stewart to sing. And Peter said "Awww, c'mon! This is perfect for me!" And Paul agreed.

    • @deralmighty8011
      @deralmighty8011 9 лет назад +17

      +Kevin Kiso Funny enough, even their own producers didn't realize it was Peter singing it.

    • @rmartin7558
      @rmartin7558 5 лет назад +41

      It think Peter's exact quote was more like, "F___ Rod! I'll sing the sh__ out of that song!"

    • @orgasmicdave
      @orgasmicdave 5 лет назад +4

      Peter wrote this.

    • @kurtisbased183
      @kurtisbased183 5 лет назад +10

      Dagan Martinez no, paul did

    • @orgasmicdave
      @orgasmicdave 5 лет назад +5

      KURTISBASED no he didn’t 😂 you can just listen to and say there’s no way in hell paul Stanley wrote this

  • @kevinchandler179
    @kevinchandler179 6 месяцев назад +4

    Black Diamond, Hard Luck woman, Beth, Strange Ways, Nothing to lose, Baby Driver, and Houlagan just to name a few!!! He is a frickin legend

  • @markflanigan-vo4uk
    @markflanigan-vo4uk Год назад +9

    Paul needs to remember his own words...the original four had a unique chemistry that is simply not duplicated.

  • @tenbroeck1958
    @tenbroeck1958 2 года назад +26

    Very cool of Gene to mention that Eric wanted Peter to sing it. God bless Eric -- That is some humility

    • @kevinchandler179
      @kevinchandler179 Год назад +3

      But, little did Eric know, it would seal their fate, because a reunion tour was just solidified after this masterpiece!!!!!

    • @TheJohnnyCotts
      @TheJohnnyCotts Год назад +3

      In his book, Gene claims Peter "asked for permission" to attend the convention, they had rehearsals and Peter's drumming "wasn't up to snuff", but "out of the kindness of his heart", Gene told him he could still play with them and just sing.
      According to Eric Singer, Peter just showed up, came backstage, said hi, introduced everyone to his daughter, then went back outside. As soon as he left, Eric asked, "Why didn't you ask him to play with us?!" Someone was sent to retrieve Peter, they asked him to join them onstage and he did.

    • @kevinchandler179
      @kevinchandler179 Год назад +2

      But yet, Gene and Paul seen dollar 💵 signs in Peter and Ace, and had the biggest reunion tour in the history of Rock and roll, doesn't add up my friend!!! I was at the Chicago show on the 96 tour and Peter was amazing and very good still!!! Not buying what Gene is trying to sell!!! Lol

  • @christikirk7265
    @christikirk7265 2 года назад +21

    Peter Criss! You and only you can do this song! Cold chills!

  • @christikirk7265
    @christikirk7265 Год назад +4

    Keep watching this....my favorites..

  • @navyskaterdude
    @navyskaterdude 2 года назад +25

    Peter sings it the way it needs too be sung, Beautiful 😍

  • @kianjoseph
    @kianjoseph 3 года назад +5

    Probably the best I've ever heard Peter sing this. His voice isn't all raspy.

  • @АлексейШевченко-ч5э
    @АлексейШевченко-ч5э 2 года назад +5

    Peter-Super!!! 🤘

  • @SebastiaanSweers
    @SebastiaanSweers 4 года назад +8

    Peter Cris is amazing

  • @Aussietari
    @Aussietari Год назад +2

    Peter Criss still the Best Singer
    in💋KISS, Ever.😌

    • @ladyhonor822
      @ladyhonor822 Год назад +1

      Yeah 👍❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
      RN CCRN THAT'S ALL.
      Temple University Hospital 🏥

  • @benschatz9954
    @benschatz9954 3 года назад +7

    This has ALL the energy. Paul had to turn around, you know he was super emotional.

  • @johnblack9298
    @johnblack9298 Год назад +5

    Brilliant best version with Peter on vocals 👌

  • @leokimvideo
    @leokimvideo 2 года назад +104

    Sure it's Paul's song, but Peter owns the vocals. Kiss would have been an amazing country & western band.

    • @agustinrodriguez1325
      @agustinrodriguez1325 2 года назад +1

      I see you

    • @wayneledbetter2339
      @wayneledbetter2339 2 года назад +5

      So would have the Rolling Stones

    • @carlospereira_musica
      @carlospereira_musica Год назад +1

      KISS es y será una de las Grandes y Mejores Bandas de Rock ..Forever

    • @Divataster
      @Divataster Год назад +2

      Your comment rings with truth....The Wicked Lester demos and the Bullfrog Beer demos were definitely Country and Western genre

    • @LOUIS-np6be
      @LOUIS-np6be Год назад +1

      KISS DONT DO WOULD HAVE!!!!!

  • @NASCARGUY51139
    @NASCARGUY51139 13 лет назад +15

    Probably my favorite album, Rock and Roll Over...

    • @roxie987
      @roxie987 3 года назад

      absolutely my favorite album! got it for Christmas in 6th grade

  • @Bob-m8i3m
    @Bob-m8i3m 5 месяцев назад +1

    When Peter criss sang beth and Garth Brooks sang Peter sang it won people choice award in 1976 was a huge hit I'm a huge fan of kiss Alex

  • @papajdizzzle
    @papajdizzzle 15 лет назад +36

    One of the best songs. Love the version with Garth Brooks. Nice to hear Peters voice with this song. Peter Chris you have a great singing voice my friend. Perfect for this song - nice to see that times have changed.

  • @amusicalheart7
    @amusicalheart7 3 года назад +18

    I have so much respect for Peter. 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @marcellino1956
    @marcellino1956 Год назад +1

    While in the Navy Way back in the 70's in chicago a dancer i knew on state street would always play this song...she was gorgeous....and every time i hear this song i think of her ... hope you;re well sally

  • @OpalescentSun
    @OpalescentSun 11 лет назад +41

    I love this video, Peter does such a great job! I wish KISS would tour with this kind of unplugged set up!

  • @wagnerrodrigues7068
    @wagnerrodrigues7068 5 лет назад +9

    The best Kiss voice between all singers.

  • @spencergroup
    @spencergroup 6 лет назад +41

    How hard would it have been to give Peter his own microphone so he doesn't have to use Gene's? Then Peter could have been facing the audience who appreciates him.

  • @forgeFe21
    @forgeFe21 Год назад +1

    Paul was very quick to clarify who, "something really deserved" was being directed towards. Oh no, not Ace or Peter, but you the fans. Well maybe, but Ace and Peter deserved an opportunity to thank their fans as well having turned a page in their lives. This ultimately came to fruition and I could not have been more thankful to have witnessed the days 0f '77 in '98!

  • @mikebaron4525
    @mikebaron4525 8 месяцев назад +3

    Wow this is Great To See And Hear in 2024

  • @tommytrixter
    @tommytrixter 4 года назад +5

    Still gives me chills.Happy 75th birthday peter criss catman # 1

  • @mr.burnardo4030
    @mr.burnardo4030 Год назад +5

    No hubiese habido un Hoy sin Peter o sin Ace, pero no habría un Hoy sin Thommy o sin Eric Singer. Ojalá seamos kisseros en serio para siempre, y reconozcamos a todos los que nos han hecho feliz. Qué suerte que existe un KISS, a mí me salva la vida! Y Peter siempre será lo máximo!!!

  • @LTBiermachtII
    @LTBiermachtII 13 лет назад +21

    Goosebumps, thanks Peter.

  • @kevinchadler469
    @kevinchadler469 4 года назад +29

    Did you hear that crowd yelling for Peter? Awesome, Catman baby!!! 👍

  • @angelofacci983
    @angelofacci983 Год назад +2

    Yes Pete does a great. Job remember the kids lounge Peter infinity

  • @ToddWest
    @ToddWest 6 лет назад +22

    Killer performance

  • @KnightOwl2006
    @KnightOwl2006 12 лет назад +68

    Peter hits a grand slam!

  • @Stevedrums741
    @Stevedrums741 Год назад +1

    He sounded great. And I remember getting this complete VHS bootleg at a record collection booth and I was shocked at how good he sounded. I knew then that the reunion tour was coming.

  • @fredjones554
    @fredjones554 2 года назад +4

    When Paul gave this to Peter; genius

  • @mikeharris9176
    @mikeharris9176 3 года назад +7

    This song gives me goosebumps!!!! Takes me straight back to my youth, just brilliant \m/

  • @MskMsk-yq4in
    @MskMsk-yq4in 3 месяца назад

    Anybody who ever has a lot of woman go no matter what the circumstances were understands this it's hard great tune great guy

  • @mysteryperson1976
    @mysteryperson1976 2 года назад +2

    Eric Singer confirmed in an interview that it was his suggestion. Peter wanted to bring his daughter down to show her a part of his past. When Gene called Eric to ask if he'd be okay with Peter being here, he said he'd be fine and said that if Peter's going to be there, they should pull him up to play.

  • @264rockstar
    @264rockstar 14 лет назад +44

    yeah, i was listening to all those who attempted the song, even paul, but you can't top peter's style and voice. that's no shit. bad ass.

  • @alexbautista6905
    @alexbautista6905 4 года назад +11

    Este momento fue el inicio de ese reencuentro con los miembros originales fue maravilloso 🥰

  • @ΣτυλιανόςΠετρονέλλα
    @ΣτυλιανόςΠετρονέλλα 8 месяцев назад +2

    Wonderful this is so great.KIIIISS

  • @alexanderberry28
    @alexanderberry28 Год назад

    I'm a huge kiss fan I been fan of kiss since 1977 congratulations on your retirement Alex Berry

  • @Jtlaptops
    @Jtlaptops 6 месяцев назад +2

    Peter still has raspy soulful voice !

  • @kevinchandler179
    @kevinchandler179 7 месяцев назад +2

    Two words!!! Peter Criss

  • @CamperKev
    @CamperKev Год назад

    Just when i thought I have heard every KISS song, another one crosses my path.

  • @desiberry
    @desiberry 14 лет назад +17

    Peter made this song!

  • @jessemartinez5890
    @jessemartinez5890 2 года назад +3

    I actually clapped. Loved it

  • @thew33fs
    @thew33fs 15 лет назад +12

    yeah i agree peter is a great singer.

  • @jean-pierrestraub7530
    @jean-pierrestraub7530 2 года назад

    Yeah, Peter sings it beautifully but only in his dreams could he write such songs. So thanx mister STANLEY

  • @Luvinlife64
    @Luvinlife64 26 дней назад

    Been a kiss fan since 77

  • @antonioevandrosousa4449
    @antonioevandrosousa4449 2 года назад +9

    Cara que música linda e na voz do Peter ficou ainda mais bonita.

  • @DSynysterVengence
    @DSynysterVengence 12 лет назад +16

    Any KISS fan would know each face. Peter is the Cat, Ace is the Spaceman, Gene is the Demon and Paul is the Starchild. DUH!

  • @Boethius411
    @Boethius411 3 года назад +2

    Giving hard luck woman to the cat man was the best decision Paul ever made.

  • @collinfowler1195
    @collinfowler1195 3 года назад +3

    I absolutely love Peter cross’s voice

  • @andrejskodak9323
    @andrejskodak9323 3 года назад +2

    I've listened to this preformance so many times, I can recognise the screams in the audience

  • @ronrader575
    @ronrader575 7 месяцев назад +2

    Pure Gold........

  • @kaveman1021
    @kaveman1021 4 года назад +8

    Gene's strength as a bass player shows in the moments when he's playing the song, rather than "playing the bass" if that makes sense. In the early days he had the ability to play the rhythm as well as countering the lead guitar.

    • @freepressright
      @freepressright 3 года назад +1

      He's Paul McCartney of hard rock. Fucking amazing walking melodies. He doesn't get the credit he deserves for WRITING bass lines. He isn't Billy Sheehan, but he always had walking melodies.

  • @leblond67
    @leblond67 4 года назад +3

    Awesome Peter!!!!!!!

  • @adrianalbertososa1745
    @adrianalbertososa1745 3 года назад +12

    Me dio mucha lastima cuando me entere que Peter Criss habia dejado la banda, el verdadero Gato, de todos los integrantes de Kiss, mi favorito

  • @AlejandrodavidOrregocañete
    @AlejandrodavidOrregocañete Год назад +1

    Grande Peter saludos desde chile me gustan estas 2 canciones que cantas Beth y esta

  • @angelofacci983
    @angelofacci983 Год назад

    I remember back in 1972 playing with my band infinity at the kings lounge Brooklyn NY when Gene and Paul came into club to audition with me for them he used my drums he played for them a few songs like Maggie may which Peter blew the place apart now he's with kiss still blowing songs like hard luck women and Beth Miss you Pete God bless you and your success

  • @lucastermineitor
    @lucastermineitor 5 лет назад +5

    La mejor versión de ésta canción...sin dudas

  • @mitchtrushow
    @mitchtrushow 2 года назад +2

    Peter's voice is so perfect for this song. I noticed he has his back to Paul hahaha

    • @MrBritishComedy
      @MrBritishComedy 2 года назад

      Yeah, very symbolic. I kinda feel like Gene actually gets along with Peter - at least on a personal level - but Paul just can't stand him.

  • @johnblack9298
    @johnblack9298 Год назад +1

    Brilliant song
    Loved Kiss Unplugged

  • @CarolShook-yg9nn
    @CarolShook-yg9nn 7 месяцев назад

    That was a good performance and Peter was in his element he seemed very happy to be on stage with his old band mates

  • @elbertmyers4374
    @elbertmyers4374 3 года назад

    The voice Rod Stewart wish he had. Peter's song, When you hear this ding in your head, you hear his voice. Period.

  • @renejustice886
    @renejustice886 Год назад +2

    Great song

  • @SebastiaanSweers
    @SebastiaanSweers 4 года назад +3

    Wow, such an beautiful song

  • @StanBennet
    @StanBennet 13 лет назад +57

    Isn't it funny how no Kiss song can be built up to the point you're begging to hear it like Peter's songs.

    • @BGEntertainmentGroup
      @BGEntertainmentGroup 5 лет назад +4

      Perfectly stated and 100% true!

    • @therachealg
      @therachealg 4 года назад +11

      StanBennet I love Peter’s singing voice. The gravel in it is so nice.

    • @ronmonroephotography
      @ronmonroephotography 4 года назад +5

      And Beth is awesome

    • @matthewhill306
      @matthewhill306 4 года назад +2

      @@ronmonroephotography Have you ever heard the song Hooligan it pretty awesome to.

    • @ronmonroephotography
      @ronmonroephotography 4 года назад

      @@matthewhill306 I'll check it out

  • @JamesLoop-gd8jk
    @JamesLoop-gd8jk Год назад +2

    He had a cool rasp to his voice.

  • @misfit2022
    @misfit2022 Год назад +1

    Great vocal and I would like to hear them play some of the older classics with Peter like Getaway, Strange Ways etc and Peter’s voice remains strong the other side of 75 as does his drumming regardless of what some members of Kiss might say

  • @lenadiene2065
    @lenadiene2065 4 года назад +1

    Amazing Peter