Vipassana & its side effects nobody talks about (my honest experience during & after)
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- I heard a lot about Vipassana before trying it myself so I thought I’m well prepared for what’s to come.
Results were surprising in both positive and negative way. In this episode I shared my experience and practical tips to help you prepare for your first Vipassana retreat.
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Today is the 10th anniversary since my first 10-day. I have sat four courses since and about to serve in one starting next week. So it’s odd this video would pop up on my feed today.
It took me until my last course to fully understand the implications of the technique. Vipassana is a training that increases the awareness of the body to be able to transcend the attachment we naturally feel for good sensations and the aversion (which is another form of attachment) we feel for the unpleasant ones. It is about changing the locus of happiness from sensation-seeking to becoming. After all, sensations are bound to change, so what are you left with when you stop the “drama” of constantly chasing after or away from them? Peace, and a deeper awareness of myself without the crazy static of chasing a moving target. Do I enjoy the things i enjoy? Absolutely, I still LOVE making love to my wife, traveling and working out. But hopefully I can continue deepening my enjoyment of them without adding the drama of seeking the sensations or being unduly disappointed when I don’t get them.
For those saying that Vipassana is a cult, what are your facts? I was extremely skeptical of Vipassana before my 10-day course (I've read enough books about cults to know their basics tools) and found nothing wrong with it.
1. An emphasis on technique and nothing else.
2. No hierarchy. Goenka passed years ago and I don’t even know who heads the organization.
3. No love-bombing.
4. No constantly asking for money, in fact, they won’t even take a donation if you don’t finish the course. Compare that to your local Christian or Catholic church, which will probably ask you to donate 10% of your salary.
5. Goenka is never referred to as guru. In my center, at least (Onalaska, WA) there is only one picture of him and his wife tucked away by some books in the kitchen near a bookshelf.
6. Continual encouragement to find your own path, not a preset path for you.
7. I never heard anyone use the word “obedience”, from Goenka or anybody. This is huge because whenever you hear an emphasis on that word in a community, you should find your shoes and head for the door.
8. Don’t get caught up in the word dhamma. It’s nature, or the Way. It’s respecting the way your arm bends one way and not the other, or how eating too many cookies will make you gain weight. Dhamma is just the way things work.
9) Nobody chases you after the retreat. Compare that to Scientology, that will hunt you constantly and charge thousands of dollars for each “level”. Vipassana doesn’t charge for a thing. Sure, you could donate, housing free retreats is not cheap, but money donations are downplayed. I remember having to ask where the donation box was.
You will likely find that your average Christian church or political party has more cultish flags than Vipassana ever does. IMO, they’ve gone out of their way to make itself not a cult.
These are just my opinions, and I’m just some guy posting on RUclips. But notice that posters here calling it a cult provide nothing substantial about their claims, at all. They are, also, random people on the internet. Look for a cult awareness toolkit online and take a 10-day and find out for yourself. If any of it doesn’t feel right to you, walk away.
First vipassana course is just scratching the surface and your experience is absolutely perfect 🎉, the real gem of happiness and tranquility will emerge afresh three courses and serving at least two courses, the insights will gain by sailing into verse of various experience once pain will go will be a different orbit to roam in.🎉🎉🎉
What were the negative side effects? I listened the whole video and didn't hear one. Not being used to social media or having as much identity or rigidity in life - that's a neutral or positive effect imo 😊
It seems like you had huge benefits all in all! The peace of mind you describe is 😍😍
well yes, that is true :) The negative thing was that it was very easy to go down the hill for me and get sucked into all of the social media shabang
Is there a medical doctor who recommends 100 hours of sitting in a 10 day period?
@@lotuspoints we are happy in. dhamma trap. Thank u and by the way I'm a medical Mbbs md doctor compassion for ur ignorance
You will get more benefits of switching off your phone and spending a week in the woods camping. The 10 days ARE the torture, in order for u to feel elated when it is over and feeling a sense of achievement. Manipulation at its finest! And then, you get nudged into giving service to damma. Not to save tortured animals, or help less fortunate members of society, but to perpetuate the damma organization. Give give give and don't expect anything in return. Highway to toxic relationships! You need more?
@@lotuspoints I sit more than that in my regular life with office work :D :D
Thanks for arising curiosity for people to get into n experience vipassana
Whatever you say people will decide for themselves using thier own wisdom
May all beings be happy n get liberated
Baby doll, I realized what is Vipassana after 4th Vipassana lol. 1 is nothing! Keep going.
I just finished my first Vipassana in Bali and related to your journey in many ways. Thank you for sharing. Interestingly I shared about all psychedelic substances I’d experienced on my application but they didn’t question me about any of it.
Thank you very much for sharing! I also had this "I will never do it again" 😆It's really true for me about the collapse of structures too. In the long run it's good, life will restructure in a more meaningful way, but in the short run it may seem like we are degrading socially. I'm very sorry that your Mom had difficulties in Lithuania. Was it really in Lithuania? I have just been to the Vipassana centre, the students live in small houses, rooms for three persons. In one house there are two rooms, they share wc and a shower, there is also a separate building for showers and toilets next door. I would agree very much about the cold - one should take a couple of sweaters and warm socks when going to meditate Lithuania, even if it's spring or autumn, there are cold and rainy days. Good thing is that rain and cold may help to meditate, especially if one is sensitive to heat
I explored different meditation techniques!
I started with Dr. Dispenza breaking the habit of Being Yourself! Part 1 to 3.
Being aware of the feelings then those low vibrations declare and surrender.
Then I meditate Vipassana for an hour!
My Mamma. Love U.
I have been meditate more than three years during those years my experience change again and again of cause mind and all are permenent.Main pourpose of meditation is not for feel happy and enjoy as we eat food or do orgasm.But as do maditation for long time mind growing very clear and stable to focuse on a object.Body becaming very workable never feel laziness.Emotion growing very controlable and allway feel calm and peace.Through those clearity and stability you can built spacial power of wisdom.Through that wisdom you can analyse the things around you such feeling and emotion the chemical in your body.Also you can change your illusion of emotion and ignorance througj that wisdom.You can recognize the thing as they are imperminet.At the beganing we are not willing to change our habitual mind and emotion butom your heart say i am not ok why are you feel that because of your habitual sub-mind. Am learning english.
Thanks for sharing! I totally agree :))
So…what really was the problem?!!
When we do maditaion you get a awarenese as long as you do, you have to know that awarenese bring in you day routin.while your eating talking and what ever you do you have to do with ewarenese if expert meditation people never lost whey awarenese in every activity.
If your drive a car drunken then accident happens or chances are high so car is a tool, similarly vipassana is a tool and person with already so much thoughts and other old habits will come is surface and experience all kinds emotions depending on person his/her own reasons so miss will understand and shall use technique for betterment in future as well... wishing her happy life....
You have not worked according to instructions. So sorry about you.
Just like scientology, vipassana works 100% of the time when applied 100%properly. You have to believe in the technique in order to work, right? So, what is the difference between that and placebo? There is actual scientific evidence that placebo works. Has that been proven for vipassana?
Goenka hijacked Vipassana. I mean this in a sense that he offered it to masses when most people are not prepared for it. Samatha-vipassana is a 2800 year old form of Theravada meditation. First is the Samatha THEN comes Vipassana. Samatha practice is the form of concentration mediation. Many know this as meditation on the breath. This fosters concentration and stimulates your ability to begin learning how to view yourself as you are. It grows into the Insight practice known as Vipassana but it usually takes quite a bit of time. In these retreats they’re just dropping people into it with no experience. That’s how you get experiences like this.
Vipassana is the carrot that leads you into "goenka's damma" trap
Funny you say this. I just finished my first goenka Vipassana course with not too much meditation experience before it. When Vipassana was taught on the 4th day I was struggling with it majorly, and instinctively I knew I needed to spend the rest of the 10 days still doing anapana. It’s been 2 weeks since I got out but still only practicing anapana at home. Hope to have the stability to practice actual Vipassana at some point.
I don’t like the negative framing but of what Goenka has done here. What he has done has been to bring the practical part to people quickly enough for them to get a taste of how well it works. He initially wanted to start people on 20 days, but he knew he couldn’t get people to commit to that initially. He didn’t hijack it. He has exposed far more people to it and generated far more interest than the method you are referring to. Anapana is always available to us. He didn’t hijack anything. He made it accessible.
I have identified that I need far more anapana practice, even though I was taught by Goenka. He pushes experiential wisdom. I know from experience where I need work, and I have teachers to guide me.
Gratitude to Goenkaji.
Thank you great video!
Many people just don't understand Core of Buddhsm. Goenkas meditation is not pure buddhist teaching at all. Goenka's Cult is corporate backed up meditation frenchised system. You will have to read Suttas to understand true Buddhism.
During the 10 day course it does not state to be Buddhism in fact it’s very clearly spoken that it’s not of any religion but that the technique was re-discovered by Gotama the Buddha .
As for the creator of this vlog you say you could not let go of your aversions and struggled daily so maybe you should give Vipassana another chance as some of the core teaching are exactly that letting go of cravings & aversions . I have sat 3 courses and will sit another one in the next months and I have had nothing but positive results from my 10 day courses 🙏🌸
Yes! Es una secta. It s a cult. If someone has to convince u over and over again that they are not a cult, they ARE a cult 😅 kudos to you for recognizing it!
@@MarieKerr-y1zjust because someone says that something is "the law of nature", it does not make it a law of nature. Of course they will say they are not a cult. Scientology calls itself a church, but, is it really? Look beyond the words. Pay attention to the patterns, behaviour, subtle messaging when you are in the suggestive mental state
@@MarieKerr-y1zand yet, Buddha is mentioned every day...how weird, right?
@@lotuspointsif you haven't been you can't call it a cult. First of all it's free, you can only give a donation or none at all at the end. They don't make you come back, they don't contact you to come back or give anything afterwards. The first time I went I cured my depression. I have sat the course four times and served one because I wanted to give something back. Each time you leave with the physical sensation of being lighter within your body. Free to love your life how you want, with no further influences on you. Not a cult. Definitely a wonderful healing system
sadhu sadhu sadhu
An elderly man can do vipassana?
of course! It's for everyone :)
Certainly can, my 1st sit was in my 50's & have sat & served on several since & noticed many older students on their 1st sit. Think it's good to read Ehkarte Tolle, Power of Now & New Earth, it's very relevant to how ego controls our lives & understanding why we need to let it go
15:30 this is exactly why it is manipulative... this will remind you in a couple of months to go back to the centre
Please add chapters to your video
Thanks for the suggestion! I don't yet know how but will look into it :))
hi elena
Don't spread negativity about Vipassana just because u didn't understand it ...gurujee was right ..mara won't allow u to meditate
Probably there was a misunderstanding, I loved Vipassana and Goenka's teachings. It brought a lot of peace to my life. I continue to practice and recommend it to others :)) I just had a really hard time coming back to real life after it and wanted to share my experience :)
Rejecting criticism is the first sign of undue influence
@@lotuspoints thank u dear lotus
Just toxic positivity! Yeah, that's gonna save the planet 😅
@@lotuspoints Sarcasm is also passively rejecting criticism, which is "the first sign of undue influence".