1998 Semis Game 4: Bulls V Hornets
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- The Bulls simply overwhelmed the Hornets with their offensive & defensive efficiency in this game. They simply just could not compete wit the Bulls after getting their attention with an upset in Game 2.
Man I watched all these games as a kid but I never realized how impressive every single thing Jordan did was at the time, the NBA has changed.
I watched them rooting against Jordan
I forgot how stacked some teams in the 90s were: Divac, Mason, Rice, Phills, and Wesley w/ Geiger, JR Reid, and BJ off the bench and all of these players were in their prime.
It was always the Bulls defense that won them all of their rings from 96-98. Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman are all ELITE all time defenders.
I loved this Hornets team. People don’t know the Hornets were one of the most popular teams in the 90’s. I was so happy to see them come back I went back to them and catch a few games a year in Charlotte
@2:13 THE quintessential fadeaway. No fadeaway done by any other player has looked this beautiful, graceful, and technically sound. The way he starts his turn on his outside foot by turning on his toes with the shimmy, then turning on his heel with lightning quickness as he opens up his hips for the fadeaway motion is perfect technique, and he does it every time on left shoulder turnaround fadeaways on the left baseline. They should’ve interpolated the HD version of the footage of that move.
Jordans play @2:11 is just poetry in motion...just a little fake to get 1 defender off him then the deadly turnaround fadeaway jumper on another....BEAUTIFUL
8:09 most impressive shot MJ made all night. VERY tough shot. Catch and stop on a dime shot. No drifting, no swaying. Jedi jumper. MJ GOAT.
R.I.P Bobby Phills. He was a great player, alot of heart.
Bobby Phills, I miss you black man! We crossed paths at the California Summer Pro League at Loyola Marymount. We both were chasing the dream trying to get a job in the Association. Although I admired your hoop game, I most admired you as an awesome human being... R.I.P.
Lol freakin Rodman... Gotta love Dennis... (interview at the end)
Haley Pricer I will email it to you...
I miss the old Hornets from the 90s and I wanna see the new Hornets be that fun loving team like the 90s again.
Pippen was a warrior. He obviously has back issues in 98. He looks hurt while running up and down the court. Thats the reason they split the team after the 2nd threepeat.
5:58My top 5 favorite Jordan moves
Kobe's:
37-97 (38%) in career Game 7's
38-108 (35%) in 5 title clinching games
333-808 (41%) in career finals FG%
6-24 (25%) in Game 7 of last year's finals
11-36 (30%) combined in the 4th qtrs of last year's finals
He also tied his OWN RECORD for most MISSED shots in finals history last year & with 97 more misses in this year's playoffs (assuming they make it), he'll become the All Time leader in playoff misses.
So I'm biased for saying that these things are WHY he's not on MJ's level? SMH
Wizard MJ: 22ppg 4apg 4rpg 42.4 FG%
Kobe's career avg: 25ppg 4apg 5rpg 45.2 FG%
B4 MJ's '02 All Star Break injury, he was avg'n 25ppg 5apg 6rpg on 46% shooting, which is SLIGHTLY better than kobe's career avg, yet when I highlight things like this, U say I'm being biased..no..those are the FACTS!
i love these stats...Kobe played like an ooooooold MJ!!!! lol...
The Queen city gets our Hornets back. Rip Bobby Phills, he was a great ball player, such a shame we lost him so young.
1st of all, kobe from 1999-04, avg'd MORE shots & mins per game than Shaq in the reg season, playoffs & finals, so Shaq DIDN'T limit him.
Having a LEGIT post player to open up the perimeter seemed to take the game's of other players like Magic, Bird, Reggie Miller, Steve Smith & Glen Rice (with Mourning), Sprewell & All Houston (with Ewing), and Drexler (with Olajuwon) to ANOTHER LEVEL.
MJ with DOMINANT Big that opened up the floor for him like it did those guys?
45ppg avg AT LEAST LOL!!
His current team makes the team MJ inherited as a rookie, look like the '96 Bulls. They only won "27" games B4 his arrival, & hadn't been to the playoffs since '81. MJ took a startin' 5 of B. Sellers, D.Corzine, S.Vincent, & C.Oakley to 50 wins & the 2nd Rd while winning the Scoring Title, MVP, DPOY, & putting up a Top 5 season "ALL TIME".. "All" in the "SAME Year"! He also had 200 stls & 100 blks. When PPL wanna compare the 2, the "FACTS" show that there "ISN'T" one to be made..
Hey man. Do you have this game in full? Would really appreciate a copy. Thanks!
"He wanted to tango but he didn't know the steps." -Rodman😂
I feel bad how that ended with BJ Amstrong I mean he did retire a Bulls and did become assistant GM but then Paxson was given the Job and now BJ is out of the NBA.
great vid, I miss mj, rodman and pippen :(
@rbsnipes88
I'm happy for the city of Charlotte because the hornets moniker TRULY BELONGS to that city.
And Bobby Phills was a good dude.
I'd met him a few times at our fraternity's annual national conventions.
He was real down to earth...
"MJ's stats suck in comparison to Oscar"
B4 Mj's wizard yrs brought down some of his avg's, he avg'd:
31ppg 6apg 6rpg on 51.4 FG%
Big O's career avg is 25ppg 9apg 7rpg 48.2 FG%
So HOW'S he "sucking" vs O's career avg? How?!!
Career Playoff Average
MJ: 33ppg 6apg 6rpg 49.3 FG%
Big O: 22ppg 8apg 6rpg 46.2 FG%
Again, I FAIL to see your warped logic.
How's that "sucking" compared to Oscar?
Hey, BA. Do you have this game in full? Would really love a copy.
Good god the defense being played by both teams..its so physical
I appreciate the good feedback guys. I plan on uploading more when i can find the time. My job keeps me extremely busy. Y'all know how that can be LOL!!..
He wound up making 881 of 1,893 FGAs, good for a .465 average and his 10th scoring title with 2,357 points or 28.7.
RIP Bobby Phils
BJ's clutch shot pissed MJ off after that win.
They came back and roasted Charlotte!
i read somewhere that coming into the league he said that he would only play for the knicks, lakers or his hometown sixers. and as you said west wanted him so that's how he got with LA
i liked this hornets team, they managed to turn unhappy mourning and l.j. into a great rice-mason combo, with rice getting an instant 25 a game, getting divac for bryant who didn't want to play in charlotte and signing wesley and phills
glen rice coached me in new zealand, i miss the hornets alot as charlotte hornets ,and i wish there were char hornets decent throwbacks to buy around!
That's where my sister and me were born and our stepmom is from new Zealand
ha ha yeah im feelin u man. Im a jordan guy, and theres jus no comparison with anybody. People always bring up 81pts and say that makes kobe better than mj. What they dont realise is that it wasnt about the scoring. Even if mike never had 100s of 40 and numerous 50 and 60pt games, he would still be the greatest. KB's been in the league 10yrs now, long enough to compare legitimately. And no matter what he does over the rest of his career, he'll never come close.
5:55 just beautiful
Rip bobby phills
I remember how much flack Mike got for his shooting that season.But people forget was that about 2 months into the season Mike was shooting like 37% and averaging 24 a game.People were saying he was losing it.
I feel ya. I understand that KB's current team isn't of championship calibur, but considering he has 4 other guys, from a FG% standpoint, shoots "BETTER" from the floor than himself & 2 other guys that shoot just as good as him, the onus is on him, as team "Leader", to get them "More" involved into the offense.
oh my!! 5:59 Jordan sends divac flying and finishes with a sweet layup. Dam...
that's really it, isn't it? jordan made dominance look better than anyone else.
Lebron was the focal point of a lackluster Cleveland offense at age 19 while Kobe at the same age was getting 8 points off the game and didn't get his 1st start until the end of the season. AND Kobe made the allstar game AND HE DIDN'T EVEN START!! While it took Lebron 3 years to make the team.
That's what I told this KB fan who regularly sends crazy messages to me. I told him MJ's worst shooting year with the bulls, which was '98, was "STILL" better than KB's "BEST" shooting year ('07) & MJ played that season with a torn ligament in his index finger on his "Shooting" hand. He didn't believe me, so i sent him an article proving it, he got pissed & said "Why am i ruining KB's career?" LOL!! I'm serious!! I was like WTF?!?! LOL!!
I used to love the Chicago bulls I miss these days now I don't really watch the NBA no more
I second that R.I.P. Bobby Phills and Malik Sealy but what happened to Malik I wasn't aware of that
blackadam, I respect your factual statement about MJ's shooting % in '98. Even though I'll admit that I'm a KB (and let's not forget) MJ fan, MJ DID shoot a better % of shots from the field. BUT, I believe Kobe's field goal pct. would be MUCH higher if he stop shooting so many threes! LOL
Hey do you have a copy of this game? Would like to watch the full version - thanks
WWWWaaaoo y ese era Jordan ay Dios mio en verdad es el mejor de todo los tiempo que facil lo hace en la cancha.
thanks
i get irritated by young bucks who say that he cant shoot 3s.there wasnt even a 3 point line when mike played in NC
yea but u got to take into account the way his career has panned out, certainly his career field goal pecentage was affected by him coming into the league at such an early age. there careers are not the same tho. as far as oscar, and elgin, and jerry; u talkin bout different eras. the level of athleticism and pride and egos in the game today is so different. as far as stats go, yea they stack up, but again it was different then.players now are just freaks athletically
I was there... It was great
YEa bobby is my Cousin he will for ever be missed
his field goal % would now be considered good by 2007 standards.
"he did have the luxury of being the man from day one"
Which just means he was BETTER than his teammates as a rookie, and consistently went out & PROVED it every night. Kobe wasn't & couldn't, so that's a knock on him LOL!!
MJ did MANY things better than kobe & on a consistent basis at that & that's a FACT!
MJ LED his team in scoring, rebs, assists & steals as a rookie. Kobe's NEVER done that at ANY point in his career. Hell his best season for assists (481) only TIES MJ's rookie totals LOL!!
Just for him to even MATCH MJ's career avg's, he'd LITERALLY from this point forward, have to avg 80 games a year 35ppg 7apg 10rpg 4spg on 54.2 FG%..FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS STRAIGHT.
He could LITERALLY make his next 1500 shots IN A ROW & he STILL wouldn't pass MJ in career FG%.
He could play in EVERY game of EVERY season until he was 50, he'd STILL have to avg 32ppg just to NEAR MJ's career ppg avg. If he played 8 more yrs, he'd need to avg 36ppg; 5 more yrs, 41ppg..
That's REAL, not biased..
which is why i said mike could shoot from there if he got hot. as far as mikes three point shot early in his career he shied away from it, and always remember that kobe's career is not over yet! and yes MICHAEL IS THE GREATEST
I was never aware that Kobe didn't want to play in charlotte I knew that Jerry West really want Kobe but I think you're wrong about that
"Did you ever watch Pau in Memphis"
Yeah, and he was doing the SAME THING kobe was doing B4 he joined the team..losing in the playoffs, but he did something that kobe was NEVER able to do: lead his team to 50 wins 1 season..
B4 Gasol showed up, L.A. was 29-16, after he shows up, they go 29-8 down the stretch, and have been back in the finals the last 3 seasons. So lemme guess, that's due to kobe right?
SMH..
To me Kobe is closer to a George Gervin, a Scoring Machine who doesn't make the players around him better. Although Gervin is noted for his lack of defense, he is #2 all time in blocked shots for Shooting Guards. Who's #1? Some guy from North Carolina lol.
Jonny Arnett intro: 2:13!
hey man i feel ya, u make strong points. lebron is a freak of nature, he was 6'8 wit the frame of a 30 yr old nba vet. kg nor kobe had that. kobe was a role player when he came to a team that was stacked. he wasnt the "man" when he got drafted. and now hes playin wit a high school varsity team. some shots are forced,yes, but if not him then who; jordan farmar. dont think so
Everybody around the world need to look at this picture of special Olympics of north Carolina of new Hanover county.Annie hall @ tiffany Lesley of Wilmington north Carolina.
A drunk driver came down the wrong side of the road & killed him in a head on collision..
It truly was sad to see his life taken from him in that manner..
If I remember, I think it was in 2000.
when did dat happen to Malik??
I was talkin' about Malik Sealy, not Bobby Phills.
I "KNOW" the story on Bobby, he was my frat brotha.
RIP bobby phills
divac is a cool guy
Classic fall away jumper @ 2:15 then classic rocker step @ 2:22. Best ball fake up and under @ 5:59. B.J Armstrong played for the Hornets? and he was still stroking'; man, the hornets where kind of stacked with gunners such as Rice.yea that floor color scheme of the Hornets home floor was outrages and it reminds me of a video game come to life.
"without Shaq....Kobe could have averaged 30-35 PPG for his whole career"
Then WHY couldn't he "consistently" do it in the post Shaq years, especially since the new rules FAVORS guys like him? B4 the NBA changed the rules, only 3 wing players were in the Top 10 scorers list, after the change, that # JUMPED to 11 & they had a 23% INCREASE in scoring & 4% INCREASE in FG%.
All that, and he STILL can't consistently avg 30ppg or lead the league in scoring, so please, get real kid..
Jordan was the greatest but I grew up in the Kobe era so I never saw him play. So in a way I guess Kobe is the Jordan of my era.
You are correct...
MyBoy _Ro I was born in 88 so I grew up watching both so I got the best of both worlds and I didn't like Kobe til MJ retired from the Bulls.
but honestly i think if kobe were in a 3 point competition he would do better than mike did. but mike could shoot from there when he got hot
Is it just me, or do Isiah Thomas and Doug Collins make the most awkward duo in broadcasting? lol
Yeah, people don't realize he played that 'ENTIRE' year with a torn ligament in his dislocated index finger on his shooting hand LOL!! 46% was a "Down" year for him! That's better than any 2 guard in the league now & it "TIES" KB's "BEST" shooting yr from the field LOL!
"What the hell does % have to do with anything"
What? For U to ask that question, just shows your POOR basketball I.Q.
"John Wooden said Kobe is the GOAT"
He also said one time that Jamal Wilkes was better than Kareem at UCLA, so what's your point? Nobody's "opinion" of a player's talent & skill outweighs or is more credible than that player's consistent on-court RESULTS, which is a REFLECTION of that skill.
U guys are the ONLY fans who think that opinions of his skill is what defines it..
1991-98 Bulls with MJ
401-108 (79%), 6 rings, avg 65 win per year pace
1991-98 w/o MJ
89-58 (60%), 0 rings, couldn't get out the 2nd rd, avg 49 wins per year pace
FACT: L.A. is 31-10 w/o kobe in 5 title seasons, yet was 12 - 11 w/o Shaq & in the seasons with BOTH, they were 25 - 7 w/o kobe LOL!!
The fact he STILL doesn't consistently lead L.A. in Total Win Shares in the post Shaq era, ought to tell ya something! Those track who's individually more responsible for L.A.'s wins LOL!!
For kobe:
2003: shot 45% with a 26.2 PER
2004: shot 43% with a 23.7 PER
2005: shot 45% with a 23.3 PER
2006: shot 45% with a 27.9 PER
2007: shot 35% with a 26.1 PER
And in ALL of those seasons, he shot WORSE than his team, something MJ NEVER did in Chicago.
PER accounts for ppg, rpg, apg, FG%..basically EVERYTHING.
In that 4 yr stretch for kobe, his BEST overall season (PER) is BARELY better than MJ's 2 WORST overall seasons as a Bull, which was his rookie & '98 season LOL!!
yup.
I loved that Charlotte Hornets Team 96-98. Rice, Divac, Mason,... Good Team. But not good enough to beat MJ.
The 96-97 team won 54 games n was a 6 seed
That actually isn't true. He and David Wesley were driving erratically and Phills spun across into oncoming traffic and was hit.
Wesley was even convicted of reckless driving.
Still a tragedy, though.
"Kobe has consistently won all his basketball playing career"
Yeah, as long as he had a dominant Big to lean on. Go check his winning % in the post Shaq/pre Gasol years He had Caron Butler & Odom in '05 & STILL couldn't make the playoffs or win more than 34 wins.
"Not even MJ could carry that shit load of a team into the playoffs"
He led 27 win team that hadn't seen the playoffs since '81 to the playoffs as a ROOKIE & EVERY YEAR in the years B4 Pippen showed up, so no..you're wrong kid..
biggest drama of this game was at the 8:43 mark.
haha, worst finale ever
Lebron came in at 19 so what's the difference? He "AVERAGED" 20, 5 & 5 making him the ONLY rookie SINCE MJ & The Big O, to do that & he posted HIGHER FG%'s in his 1st 3 yrs then KB did, "WITHOUT" a dominant big man. Big men make it "EASIER" for wings & forwards because they open up perimeter play due to the constant double & triple teaming. KB's #'s "SHOULD'VE been thru the roof..
31 points on 31 shots???
"According to who?"
According to kobe since you're comparing him to MJ. U must judge him by the standard & precedence that MJ set. He's the standard bearer, not kobe..
"He was killing the Stackhouses of the league at that age"
By avg'n 7ppg 1rpg 1apg .69spg 41.7 FG%? LOL!!!
And kobe homers like yourself hate stats, because they FORCE U to deal in reality & exposes him for what he is when compared to MJ: an inefficient volume scorer/shooter.
you got a good point, LOL!
An example of this.. this guy named 'dudewheresmycar' (I know..the name says it all) said that Oscar Robinson, Wilt, Jerry West & Elgin Baylor were "overrated & scrubs". These are some of the greatest who ever did it & Hall of Famers! But when I posted their career #'s vs KB's & he saw KB's doesn't measure up to them, he gave the typical KB fan response: "You're a hater!!" LOL!! That's what get's on my nerves..
Mike's fake on Vlade= EXCELLENCE!!!
What I find interesting about KB, is that not only does he "CONSISTENTLY" shoot the league "Average", but he compounds the issue further for himself, his team & laker fans, by "CONSISTENTLY" shooting "WORSE" than his own TEAM & these KB fans continue to imply he needs to "KEEP" doing what he's currently doing!?! LOL!! I'm like what?! Do these fools not see the need for change? He's shot "WORSE" than his own team 9 out of his 11 yrs in the league!
Seasons With:
40% in 3 pt shooting: MJ 2 > KB 0
35% in 3 pt shooting: MJ 5 > KB 2
37% in 3 pt shooting: MJ 4 > KB 2
Career 3 pt %: KB 33% > MJ 32%
He's shot "TWICE" as many of 'em just to be 1% better. What does that tell U? Just 'cause ya shoot more of 'em, doesn't mean you're "BETTER" than the next guy. MJ's #'s AGAIN show who's the more PROFICIENT shooter. If KB's career marks don't give U an indication of his shooting ablities, then nothing will..
I asked him if he wanted to tango but he didn't know the steps haha #seered
Lol gotta love Dennis...
And comparing MJ & Wilt is DUMB, because they play 2 different positions that have TOTALLY different demands. MJ & kobe play the SAME position, in the SAME offense, making for a more reasonable comparison.
Besides, once the "pace factor" is equalized, MJ has the best stats in history kid..
U really need to go educate yourself..
its crazy how mj now owns this team.......
No, Michael owns the former Charlotte Bobcats franchise. This is actually the New Orleans Pelicans franchise now. No matter how they try to rewrite the history books, THIS is the truth.
@kobebryant165
Yeah....the hornets DID need BJ if they were to have a chance..
LOL HOW TRUE!
I don't know man, his shooting % has been anemic 'Most' of his career & that's being polite. LOL!! I like KB too, but let's be real, he's shot "LESS" than 40% 1/3 of his career. Shooting a high % is based on shot's made, not how many he's taking & he's "CONSISTENTLY" shot poor from the field & that's a fact LOL!!
Why does this vid look like it's from the 70s? This was almost the year 2000! Uhh film wasn't like this 20 years ago. They deliberately made it look vintage when it's modern. I'll pass to the clear vids of MJ..✓
yea well like I said I'm pretty sure you're worng
"are you saying Kobe is not capable of putting up those numbers?"
Not consistently. U disagree? SHOW ME "consistent" seasons of him doing this to even have an argument.
"The ONLY thing MJ did better than Kobe at any point is consistently shoot the ball well."
Well show me a season from kobe where he won DPOY, Steals Title & set the All Time record for most blocks by a guard..in the SAME season. Offensively, he can't even consistently lead the NBA in scoring, something MJ CONSISTENTLY did.
look at 5:58!! beautiful
RIP Bobby Phills. What a stupid race car with David Wesley...
"Didn't he lead the league twice?"
Yeah & that's it..only TWICE..
"basketball is more than stats"
Yeah but we're discussing them "individually", which is where talent & skill come into play, which the stats just PROVE who consistently produces the better RESULTS from their individual talent & skill, so where's the PROOF for kobe since U say he's on his level?
Kobe's been OUTPERFORMED by a teammate in 5 finals he's appeared in, and has NEVER dominated a finals like MJ.
kobe = MJ-lite