one thing I noticed... intj's get annoyed ALOT easier than istp's. intj's will claim they aren't mad, but will destroy you worse than an entj would. just without the noise really want to know the difference, have a debate. intj's will seek to destroy your argument anyway they can. istp's will just be like whatever, debate calm, or be ready to fight either by yelling or fighting. also, intj's hold grudges. like, once you cross an intj, they out for blood. istp's will have enemies, but we really won't go out of our way for them unless it's needed or unless we want a thrill. sometimes we do ignorant shit just for fun
Brandon Williams I would definitely not fight over a debate and will never argue something that I didn't know was a fact. I'd say whatever only to disagree to disagree
As an ENTP i really appreciate your SE explanations. I can take your concrete examples, expand on it my on own and then organize it my way. Refreshing from the over-population of intuitive content in the typology world
You brought up great points, but I would say that ISTPs tend to be the more laid-back between the two types. INTJs are about having high standards, setting goals, devising plans to achieve their goals. If things don't go according to plan or according to our expectations, we can get uneasy. On the other hand, ISTPs take things day by day, living in the present, and they tend to be better at improvising than INTJs. You also mentioned that ISTPs are constantly occupied or have a need to be occupied, but I think this stems from a desire to stimulate their minds- you know, have fun and kill boredom- whereas INTJs would be occupied with a particular goal in mind. You do seem to support that ISTPs are more easygoing in your next point, where you talk about how INTJs can be concerned about whether others view them the way they view themselves.
I'm an ISTP and I'm always looking at all angles and how things can unfold to make the best call. I analyze a lot and do research a lot too...I'm always trying to break down what doesn't make sense in terms of what I believe makes sense. I was the typical ISTP teenager and am in my 30's now and still dress in wifebeaters and whatnot. People respect my judgement calls because I DO and always have narrowed it down to what makes sense and what doesn't while keeping my options open to change in case there is a change in a situation/scenario.
I am INTJ but because of my Dad I was forced to spend countless hours working on my sensory via sports and I developed an instinct that can act for me without me having to think...
I don't know why so many people are upset with his interpretation of INTJs; I thought the video was pretty on point. I grew up with an ISTP sister and would also like to say that "stubborn but intelligent" is definitely a good description for them. :) I've noticed that for some reason ISTPs tend to have poor spelling, but have no idea why (I'm still relatively new to the MBTI system). If somebody happens to figure it out, I'd love to hear the explanation. EDIT: After doing some thinking about it, I think that some of the reasons INTJs are so misunderstood stems from their lack of external emotion and how blunt they naturally are with things, which can lead them to seem more cruel than they really are. While young and immature, I ended most conversations with the other person/people irritated or downright angry with me, but I didn't understand why until nearly 7 years later through guidance from a personal mentor. Also, I think that were are natural rivals (sometimes friends) with I-TP types, because we meet conclusions using different ways of thinking. They use current facts to reach logical conclusions quickly, but we tend to be moreso rigged for predictions rather than hard evidence. This seems to lead to frustration when we're immature, we think the other is "stupid", because I-TPs see INTJ conclusions as baseless or subjective, and we tend to see the I-TP types as short-sighted and ignorant of possibilities. However, I think that this actually makes these typings great partners with one another for working on projects, because the complement each other's feelings. One last thing I'd like to touch on is that people think INTJs seem pretentious because of the way we generally write; we don't write using "big words" or large paragraphs to seem more intelligent (which some people seem to think for some reason, or at least I personally don't). When in conversation this isn't the way we speak, but due to the nature of writing, we have more time to think about what we want to say, and which words to best convey how we feel. That and we want to complete our thoughts on our topic, which generally leads to us getting interrupted in conversations by somebody impatient. Sorry for the wall of text; just hoping this may help clear some things up for those who are curious.
Maybe because they focuse more on practical things than writing? I don't understand well about "poor spelling", I am ISTP and I can tell you that my problem is more on speaking than writing, because I tend to be very silent and I don't practice so much my speaking fluid. I am spanish native, nobody have told me that I have a bad spelling, my problem is expressing, I don't have so much experience in that due to my solitary life tending. About arrogance on INTJs is not due on how you write or what you do, it is due to opinions that some immature INTJs have about themselves and their intelligence, sometimes they lack of humbled opinions but I know not all are like that, of course.
All the mechanics i know (probably all istp) cant spell. As an intj i have trouble speaking only because im trying to figure out the most precise way of saying something. Intj’s tend to be better writers because they have a tendency to read a lot because we like the theory stuff whereas the istp are better speakers for the reasons in the vid (one action oriented approach) but cant spell because they are more often want to jump into something rather than messing with theory.
As an ISTP, the whole writing thing isn't really a trait specific to ISTPs. If anything it would be complete opposite as we analyze everything from the way people speak to the way they write. And the second we see an error in spelling we start to question the person's intelligence.
@@portrayalc577 lol younger me can totally relate to that But right now I perceive those kind of mistakes not important as long as they don't change the meaning
I think all these statements are extremely accurate. I'd only say that INTJs dont just blindly follow the apparent system(like an ESTJ would) but seek to follow and appeal to the underlying system( like the laws of physics, economics, psychology, etc...).
I took the Myers-Briggs a few years ago and got an intj. Just recently retook it and now I'm an istp. Your snowboarding analogy is the same sort of feeling that I have while climbing mountains. I've never heard anyone else describe that same sort of feeling.
Great vid. As an intj i think you were spot on with everything except the last point u made about artwork. Our focus is probably not imagining ourselves there but trying to figure out its deep mystical meaning. Thanks for the vid! As a new intj mechanic im interested in learning how my coworkers approach problems and how as an intj i can uniquely position myself and perhaps offer something better in an aspect. Thanks again
@@traditionalgirl3943 No it is not mistyped - INTJs are Ni dom not Te dom - He was comparing Dom Ti of ISTPs with aux Te - INTJs have Ni that always speculates Te follows rules set by Ni not outer source - You will find a million memes about INTJs breaking the Rules - moreover every INTJ in math class will have frequent conflicts with the teacher It is misunderstanding that Te user specially INTJs follow rules without questioning - INTJs question but try to get the answer by hemselves they won't rely on outer source like Ti user this is the actual difference Ti users tend to judge before questioning and then change their opinion Te users question first , try to get the best SPECIFIC answer and then judge and won't question again ...
@@m4lev0lentdem0nknightamv5, thank you for your interesting insight. As an ISTP I will admit to accepting and then questioning later. I think it has to do with that naive Ne blind spot - until we get older and have more experiences under our belt. It is interesting as well to me that I’ve said that Te want to ‘get things done’ while Ti wants to get things ‘done right’. So in different areas things play out a little differently. My sister is an INTJ and after decades a lot of our childhood is making more sense. Amazing that we were able share a room for 15 years! 😄
I love your down to earth approach to all of this. I agree I fuck up when I don’t use my sensing... Whenever I’m stuck on something it’s better to just take risks and throw myself physically into it ISTP
you point about Ni(describing intj) is related to Ne - Ne sees every possibility as equally possible, while Ni tends to lean towards one possible outcome(supported by their Te i guess) about Se - Se gatherers info from psychical environment(being attentive to detail,fast reactions etc.)
Se supports an INTJ's Ni; that's why they lean more to one particular outcome, they've drawn a line of best fit in their mind based off what's being observed or whatever occurs in real time. Te is used in tandem with Fi.
It's interesting how one really has a delusional sense of self. Almost everyone that knows me says I'm definitely an INTJ , but I view myself as more of an ISTP. But I really get that part where I want other people to percieve me how I percieve myself. Also how whenever I do a "physical activity" I do feel distrustful of the control I have over my body, but I also have a psychiatric condition DPDR that could create this effect. Maybe I really am just an INTJ after all or maybe im not. Anyway what is really confusing is that I'm not sure why I care to waste so much of my time on a pseudoscience.
I have a similar problem, my husband scores as an intj but he seems to me like an istp. It's also like he has two different personalities between his professional and home life.. it's also of little help that he questions why should he even care about his type 😁
It's not a pseudoscience, dr.dario nardi scientifically proved it's relation to how the neocortex works and maybe he will do research on deeper parts of the brain in the future , and he said his colleague in John Hopkins university dr.meena something also proved that intuition and sensing are polarities which means they're on an axis in the function stack , same for thinking and feeling.
I don't feel you're very clear on your analysis. I was "misdiagnosed" as an INFJ a long time ago, but found out I'm actually an ISTP. The main differences I've noticed is that both INFJs and ISTPs need to know the "why" something works but we ISTPs need to know why because if it doesn't work we want to know how to fix it. INFJs just need to know for knowledge sake. Both types need independent mental stimulate but for ISTPs boredom = instant sadness. INFJs need to be constantly moving but ISTPs are fine not being in "motion" as long as we are not bored doing so otherwise we deadline and need alone time to sort through the depressive state. ISTPs are also the better in any crisis situation.
This was the most helpful video ever! Thank you so much for the comparison. I don't fit the stereotype of either so I was having trouble figuring out where I land. The rules idea is just such a novel way of explaining this to me.
Good job. There's a lot of videos like this that kind of vaguely talk about the functions themselves and that I find uninsightful. Totally unlike what you did here with clear examples of the functions in action. 👏👏👏
ISTP here. Just a comment about imagination. My friend and I often went to see foreign films. Afterward, we would talk about the films over pizza and beer. So my friend comments that the movie would have been better in color. Me: “It wasn’t in color?!!!” My friend just stared at me in unbelief. He was right. The movie was in black and white. But my ISTP brain filled in all the it wanted and did not notice the black and white. P.S. Our conversation came BEFORE the beer.
I'm an infj and I've witnessed S(e) even in dreams, as being on a forward track, moving through a narrow awning of trees through a forest, like a tunnel. As nietzsche (intj) said, one must know how to draw a straight line.
Disagree. INTJs will read books about all sorts of interesting things. ISTPs will read books that contain knowledge that can be applied by them. If it can't be applied, it's useless info. As an ISTP, I read books... but I NEVER read fiction. Life is too short for that.
Funny how he mentions that Se is much better than Ni at scanning the environment going down the mountain, when Michael Schumacher (an ENFj) crushed himself in an accident skiing. Maybe it was due to the Ni. These kind of risky sports should be practiced primarily by strong Se types. Very interesting video from Jay, as always.
Not according to Jungian theory, no. You can't be both type since the types has different functions and at different places. ISTP may feel and appear judge-y due to dominant Ti and auxiliary Se, but really in MBTI judgers are when the first judging function is extraverted. ISTPs are still perceivers due to the first perceiving function being extraverted.
That is fundamentally untrue about intj. Intj focuses on the big picture, istp focuses on details. To an intj the one solution is understanding the big picture of a solution via narrowing down a possibility. And the intj will also know what needs to be done at the present moment. We may just tasty to develop a strategy less energy consuming. I'm an intj, but I love exercise and boxing. Because I've figured out solutions to exercise and get huge without expending much energy. The picture of me is my back. And I'm 220 pounds 6"1. I only work out for About 20 minutes a day and that's how I look. We understand what needs to be done in the moment kid, believe that. And your inability to tackle large subjects as an istp via 3rd slot Ni causes you to focus on what is relevant rather than future. Thanks
my boss gave me 2 skillful trading options .. and i had to choose one of those trades carpenter and electrician ... which do you think should i choose ..? I am a male istp .. and I like both jobs but I have to choose one of them and I hope your answer can help god bless
I... I keep switching between INTJ, ISTP, and ISFP. The only cause I see is... my adaptability. I've moved many times in my relatively short life that my environment seems to be ever-changing. I am exposed to new sensations, experiences, and culture, which is most likely the cause of my "open-mind". With moving so much, I grew up wanting an ever-present friendship. Losing contact with so many people made me lonely and widen that craving for companionship, and most of all, an equal one. Sometimes I can't stand chatting with people because of their narrow views, their one-track thoughts, and it really bothers me. I enjoy socializing, I really do, but... I'm just tired of talking with people I honestly don't believe I can relate to. I am very reserved, quite but loud, open-minded, and distant. It's why some would call me introverted, and others would say I'm just "too polite". I take the Myer Briggs personality test so often because I want closure. I understand that it is likely fickle, and I should not place my entire belief in it, but, I'm young and "easily" influenced. I will not blindly put faith in what the internet tells me, but I can be selective with what I should believe. I am so, so, sorry for many... errors with the paragraph. I am writing it with a mixture of rationality and long-overdue emotions. Please, can anyone... sympathizes with me?
Sounds similar to how I feel when stressed, which used to be quite often. I happen to be an istp. Though I recently resolved my confusion over whether or not I was an istp or an isfp. I love creating things, both art of tools. I would spend my waking hours doing it if I had the tools. I have powerful emotions, but my ethics usually boil down to *Do I want to do this? *Does doing this cause harm? *If it does cause harm, is it justified? *If it doesn't do harm and I still want to do it I do. I conclude an fi user would likely have more original ethics. Me I could steel someone's lunch if I was hungry enough, and not regret it later. Not proud of that, it is simply true. Discover whether you use Ti, Fi, or Ni. Me the only thing I was sure about was Se, Ni in the middle of my stack and in that order. I hope this helps. As far as companionship goes, talk to people never expecting them to stick around. There will be someone who will choose to stick around all by themself. Those are the people you keep, if you happen to like them. Leave if they cling to you only to manipulate, or gain from you. I hope this helps.
+kasiurfire "I hope you're not". Certain sign of an Fi dom. It is obvious, based on the lack of views that this is a clone channel, and my first impression was that the uploader did such as Jay's work needs to be appreciated.
Introverted feeling has nothing to do with "how you want others to view you." It is how you internally process emotions. Also, many, many INTJs will admit to being "lazy" as in "working lazy." We don't frantically run around working on things - that's counterproductive to a rational's mindset of using one's time logically. This is busywork. Who enjoys this? We work to streamline processes. We don't care HOW something is accomplished, as long as we can simplify it and make it easier and more efficient. This is the beauty of the INTJ thought process. Also - an INTJ as a simple-minded rule follower?? Have you ever checked out Reddit's INTJ sub? Virtually all the responses when asked political persuasion are "libertarian." We do NOT blindly follow rules, be them partisan, academic, etc. ISTPs, on the other hand, ARE more likely to follow the rules as they are "by the book" and systematic in their thought processes. INTJs ask "Why should I listen to the book? Who wrote this book? Could I write a better book?" This is my experience at any rate; my husband is an ISTP. I'm an INTJ. You've described us almost completely backwards.
"Introverted feeling has nothing to do with 'how you want others to view you.' It is how you internally process emotions." And this doesn't make the host (a Fi user) want to do X on the basis of how they process emotions (which results feeling)? I mean, having strong feelings on something makes you want Y in X way, so it isn't far-fetched to assume INTJs would like to have it in their way (they're judgers BTW, so it isn't as contradicting to their nature). "Also, many, many INTJs will admit to being 'lazy' as in 'working lazy.' We don't frantically run around working on things - that's counterproductive to a rational's mindset of using one's time logically. This is busywork. Who enjoys this? We work to streamline processes. We don't care HOW something is accomplished, as long as we can simplify it and make it easier and more efficient. This is the beauty of the INTJ thought process. " Well, in relative terms, INTJs (and INFJs) appear somewhat lazy, scatterbrained, and non-result-driven to other judgers (and that's due to them being Ni doms), but to perceivers, they're still judgers. Judgers as in result-driven, pragmatic, strive for external efficiency and etc. "Also - an INTJ as a simple-minded rule follower?? Have you ever checked out Reddit's INTJ sub? Virtually all the responses when asked political persuasion are 'libertarian.' " I think you should ask if the INTJs that answered were really INTJs (mistypes are very common on that subreddit) and ask them how it is relevant to personality and not just a moot point. I mean, there might be a correlation, but it's really isn't that strong in comparison to other correlations. (Besides, I bet most of them are minarchists or classical liberals and not anarcho-capitalists (which falls under the umbrella of libertarianism)). "*We do NOT blindly follow rules,* be them partisan, academic, etc." While you and some others may not *BLINDLY* follow rules, INTJs still follow rules to a degree greater than ISTPs. This has to do with auxiliary Te making a host abide to rules and regulations from various organizations. Since Te only concerns itself with results and not with processes, rules and regulations appeal to you more than how *_you_** think* (literally Ti). I mean, Ti only concerns on how X is valid in a subjective (but logical) framework, and not for results (most of the time at least). You (as in Te user) find Ti to be stressful because it doesn't concern for results, just processes. >"ISTPs, *on the other hand,* ARE more likely to follow the rules as they are "by the book" and systematic in their thought processes." >"my husband is an ISTP." Does your husband on the basis of his Ti or is it because he concerns himself with results (which is more helped by rules and regulation)? If the latter, why did you type him as an ISTP? You just misled yourself because of a mistype. You just misled yourself on the ISTPs thought process (which I'm assuming is cognitive stack).
I don't care about whether you are really an intj or mistyped yourself as one but as ab istp, I'll tell you that - rules are meant to be broken and optimized. That's what naturally comes to my mind when I see rules even when I was 4.
I hate when people try to prove other people wrong in typology videos. Like listen to the description dam it!! The behaviors are described even if you don’t agree with the Nes and the Nos and the Nas. Not everyone studied this for a living, they are trying to describe something. And you would be surprised you actually agree with this person if you weren’t so anal about the terms used and so focused on crushing an answer to get a golden star 🤦🏻♀️
You are comparing Dom function Ti of ISTPs with Aux function Te of INTJs INTJ always question rules but they don't ask it to the ones near them , they instead try to find answers and then question the authority Ni is an extremely speculative function but Te is specific - the combination makes INTJs imaginative and decisive , tenacious but openminded ... Ni is a function that does'nt rely on external validation , just because they don't question externally that doesn't mean that they don't question at all a better way to differentiate is by judging the nature of their question - qualitative or quantitative analysis , specific objective / subjective theories
I'm Intj & I think you may be getting some traits of intj's mixed up with istj's because when your comparing the two some of the things you're saying intj is actually istj like the example you gave of questioning rules intj's always question rules exactly the same as istp's it's istj's that don't, do aggre with the difference between thinking and that istp's have one solution vs intj's think of several options that's why we question rules because the rules have to make sense to us otherwise they are pointless because we're both purpose driven unlike istj's who are more like process driven. my daughter is Istp, my husband and my mom are both istj's they believe that things done the same way it's always been done is the best way even if the outcome is not the very best, also I don't agree about intj's differ from istp's in respect that we also don't care what people think about us we'll we do care a lot but not enough to change who we are to fit someone else we may be upset they you view us in a certain way but we still won't change the way we are so someone will think differently about us we're too stubborn but on the other hand an infj might possibly consider it only if it makes the person they really care about like them more but that would be the only reason deep down they will hold true to how they feel without rocking the boat so much as a feeler as a thinker like myself would they either like me or they don't it may get to me but at the end of the day fuck em lol
TheCutienpink6 Nice comment. But i think his point in regards how rules are approached. Istp will assume them until proven useful, intj will assume they are useful until its proven, that they are not.
Rational Thinking not sure what you were saying about istj's you may have left a word or 2 out so idk, but I know that we "intj's'' are purpose driven so if it Doesn't serve a purpose we probably won't do it because we have limited energy and we have to decide what things or people to prioritize so we make the best of the energy we do have if you understand what I'm saying.
TheCutienpink6 Case 1) There is a rule, where you can determine, if it is useful. Istp and Intj cant be told apart. Case 2) There is a rule, where you cant determine, if its useful. Istp will not accept the rule, intj will accept the rule (of course both regarding short-term-strategies) Istj doesnt play a role in my comment.
Rational Thinking Oh ok I see what you are saying ... well idk about every intj but me myself if I can't determine it to be useful for me or for someone else, I probably would not follow it unless there's some kind of bad consequence that I'll have that's worse than just following the rule lol because you know we analyze quite a bit lol of course if the rule doesn't bother me and I don't mind following it then you would be correct .. depends on why the rule is questionable.. 😊
I got a question. for example in a war.. like ww2.. out of the 16.. which type of personality would most likely to survive interogation and torture in the war prison camp once they are captured by enemy? which has higher chance come out alive? i think ISTP has the least chance.
Probably INTJs. Maybe INFJs, too, but their Fe may interfere. Ni makes them plan and see the likely consequences of what they do. They control themselves and won't have many emotional outbursts. Their Te will make them stick to the most efficient way of doing things and to their goals. They will also take action and follow their plans.
It just depends on training. I believe this because if an untrained non army istp goes and gets tortured he'll crack and be scared shitless. But an trained infp will be hardened calmer and better in touch with emotions and will not let thier emotions control them. So it depends on the person and their training.this is just my opinion
wesllful I think stj have the highest chance, because their point of view on that topic cant be changed. Intj might reevaluate and if the threat is bigger than the one for telling them, they most likely will consider it. Istj especially might very likely even die for the purpose.
Where oh where are you ej aranndee where oh where is your stp cute self!!! Everyone misses you and it's rude to disappear......... Tanning hides in a hut.... Could be good for him... But probably smelly. I vote for a return episode... Where he recounts saving kittens and posing as an istp Mbti conference speaker and got chased out by half the psychotherapy association when he described his love of infps and furries... Yeah.... Come back!!!!
I'd love to see a comparison chat of the porn habits of the two lolol (educated guess: INTJs don't watch much cause what's in their heads is better ;) ).
I'm an INTJ and I don't agree with this ! I have my own patterns, I'm constantly call into question rules ( I think you're confusing INTJs with ISTJ ) I'm okey to say that Te process is focused on the external, real world, rather than the inner world as it is for Ti ... but hell ! no !! WE DON'T FOLLOW RULES especially the intuitive ones (ENTJs and INTJs) Secondly, when you talk about possibilities, I think you make a reference to Ne ( Ne : have an infinite number of ideas and suggestions )... INTJs deal with Ni which can be summed up in : FOCUS ! ... Sorry but I don't see myself in what you said , you're describing a different type than INTJ !
He truly does have them reversed in the rule-following example. INTJs are relentless in questioning rules, laws and social customs, then showing their contempt for them if they make no rational sense.
I don't really agree with most of this. You're going too far into talking about stereotypical behaviors, when typing is much more about 'how' someone gets to wherever they are going.
Yah, one solution means that you are not very inventive. Also, on another point: there is no proof whatsoever hat IS are better at sports. Individual predispositions (genetics) are very important.
I am sorry EJ, I think you need to read a little more before you prepare a video like that. Because this is a completely shallow understanding. You much are ISTP.
Dear Tesla, some INTJs seem to think that because you are smart, all INTJs must be smart. There's no logic in that, but that's immaturity for you. Love - from a fan.
This istp guy doesn't understand INTJs at all because he got almost all of the points backwards! First off, INTJs will challenge rules that don't make sense for higher efficiency. Didn't know that ISTPs were this stupid? Now I can gladly cross off this group from my serious dating list, so it's still a net win :)
INTJ's surf the net; ISTP's go surfing . . . .
INTJs surf the net while surfing .... INTJs are not nerds - that is a bad stereotype
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one thing I noticed... intj's get annoyed ALOT easier than istp's. intj's will claim they aren't mad, but will destroy you worse than an entj would. just without the noise
really want to know the difference, have a debate. intj's will seek to destroy your argument anyway they can. istp's will just be like whatever, debate calm, or be ready to fight either by yelling or fighting.
also, intj's hold grudges. like, once you cross an intj, they out for blood. istp's will have enemies, but we really won't go out of our way for them unless it's needed or unless we want a thrill. sometimes we do ignorant shit just for fun
Brandon Williams as an intj i agree with you
Brandon Williams I would definitely not fight over a debate and will never argue something that I didn't know was a fact. I'd say whatever only to disagree to disagree
Yeah i agree
after saying my side once i probably walked away already before even intj say something back lmao
Thank you for telling me I'm istp without even watching the video.
INTJ: Plan first and reflect on how it will affect you before going out to play
ISTP: Play first then see where that takes you
As an ENTP i really appreciate your SE explanations. I can take your concrete examples, expand on it my on own and then organize it my way. Refreshing from the over-population of intuitive content in the typology world
You brought up great points, but I would say that ISTPs tend to be the more laid-back between the two types.
INTJs are about having high standards, setting goals, devising plans to achieve their goals. If things don't go according to plan or according to our expectations, we can get uneasy. On the other hand, ISTPs take things day by day, living in the present, and they tend to be better at improvising than INTJs. You also mentioned that ISTPs are constantly occupied or have a need to be occupied, but I think this stems from a desire to stimulate their minds- you know, have fun and kill boredom- whereas INTJs would be occupied with a particular goal in mind.
You do seem to support that ISTPs are more easygoing in your next point, where you talk about how INTJs can be concerned about whether others view them the way they view themselves.
Intj's are usually sharp enough to question the rules when they're not functional though
MaxxG94 unlike ISTJ SS soldiers
Yeah, you have to factor in intuition when talking about rule following.
INTJs just question everything. Even their own judgement. This video is on point. I observe intjs to consider many possibilities
I'm an ISTP and I'm always looking at all angles and how things can unfold to make the best call. I analyze a lot and do research a lot too...I'm always trying to break down what doesn't make sense in terms of what I believe makes sense. I was the typical ISTP teenager and am in my 30's now and still dress in wifebeaters and whatnot. People respect my judgement calls because I DO and always have narrowed it down to what makes sense and what doesn't while keeping my options open to change in case there is a change in a situation/scenario.
I'm an intj, and when engaged in an action packed story, my favorite characters in these situations are always istp females...
guilty pleasure ... same
@@m4lev0lentdem0nknightamv5 Black Widow, Catwoman and Ensign Ro Laren notably.
Mirror's Edge.
I love your art example, My father an INTJ loves impressionism, and I an ISTP love Illustration and realism
I am INTJ but because of my Dad I was forced to spend countless hours working on my sensory via sports and I developed an instinct that can act for me without me having to think...
I don't know why so many people are upset with his interpretation of INTJs; I thought the video was pretty on point. I grew up with an ISTP sister and would also like to say that "stubborn but intelligent" is definitely a good description for them. :) I've noticed that for some reason ISTPs tend to have poor spelling, but have no idea why (I'm still relatively new to the MBTI system). If somebody happens to figure it out, I'd love to hear the explanation.
EDIT: After doing some thinking about it, I think that some of the reasons INTJs are so misunderstood stems from their lack of external emotion and how blunt they naturally are with things, which can lead them to seem more cruel than they really are. While young and immature, I ended most conversations with the other person/people irritated or downright angry with me, but I didn't understand why until nearly 7 years later through guidance from a personal mentor. Also, I think that were are natural rivals (sometimes friends) with I-TP types, because we meet conclusions using different ways of thinking. They use current facts to reach logical conclusions quickly, but we tend to be moreso rigged for predictions rather than hard evidence. This seems to lead to frustration when we're immature, we think the other is "stupid", because I-TPs see INTJ conclusions as baseless or subjective, and we tend to see the I-TP types as short-sighted and ignorant of possibilities. However, I think that this actually makes these typings great partners with one another for working on projects, because the complement each other's feelings. One last thing I'd like to touch on is that people think INTJs seem pretentious because of the way we generally write; we don't write using "big words" or large paragraphs to seem more intelligent (which some people seem to think for some reason, or at least I personally don't). When in conversation this isn't the way we speak, but due to the nature of writing, we have more time to think about what we want to say, and which words to best convey how we feel. That and we want to complete our thoughts on our topic, which generally leads to us getting interrupted in conversations by somebody impatient.
Sorry for the wall of text; just hoping this may help clear some things up for those who are curious.
Maybe because they focuse more on practical things than writing? I don't understand well about "poor spelling", I am ISTP and I can tell you that my problem is more on speaking than writing, because I tend to be very silent and I don't practice so much my speaking fluid. I am spanish native, nobody have told me that I have a bad spelling, my problem is expressing, I don't have so much experience in that due to my solitary life tending.
About arrogance on INTJs is not due on how you write or what you do, it is due to opinions that some immature INTJs have about themselves and their intelligence, sometimes they lack of humbled opinions but I know not all are like that, of course.
All the mechanics i know (probably all istp) cant spell. As an intj i have trouble speaking only because im trying to figure out the most precise way of saying something. Intj’s tend to be better writers because they have a tendency to read a lot because we like the theory stuff whereas the istp are better speakers for the reasons in the vid (one action oriented approach) but cant spell because they are more often want to jump into something rather than messing with theory.
As an ISTP, the whole writing thing isn't really a trait specific to ISTPs. If anything it would be complete opposite as we analyze everything from the way people speak to the way they write. And the second we see an error in spelling we start to question the person's intelligence.
@@portrayalc577 lol younger me can totally relate to that
But right now I perceive those kind of mistakes not important as long as they don't change the meaning
I have excellent spelling.~ISTP
I think all these statements are extremely accurate. I'd only say that INTJs dont just blindly follow the apparent system(like an ESTJ would) but seek to follow and appeal to the underlying system( like the laws of physics, economics, psychology, etc...).
I took the Myers-Briggs a few years ago and got an intj. Just recently retook it and now I'm an istp. Your snowboarding analogy is the same sort of feeling that I have while climbing mountains. I've never heard anyone else describe that same sort of feeling.
honestly this is so right especially when u talked about intjs seeing all possibilities as equal
Great vid. As an intj i think you were spot on with everything except the last point u made about artwork. Our focus is probably not imagining ourselves there but trying to figure out its deep mystical meaning. Thanks for the vid! As a new intj mechanic im interested in learning how my coworkers approach problems and how as an intj i can uniquely position myself and perhaps offer something better in an aspect. Thanks again
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im an intj n i always question the rules, and if it doesnt make sense to me i wont follow it 😂
Probably mistyped. The Mbti test is so subjective that we type wrong because we have blind spots about ourselves; it happened to me.
@@traditionalgirl3943 No it is not mistyped - INTJs are Ni dom not Te dom - He was comparing Dom Ti of ISTPs with aux Te - INTJs have Ni that always speculates Te follows rules set by Ni not outer source - You will find a million memes about INTJs breaking the Rules - moreover every INTJ in math class will have frequent conflicts with the teacher
It is misunderstanding that Te user specially INTJs follow rules without questioning - INTJs question but try to get the answer by hemselves they won't rely on outer source like Ti user
this is the actual difference Ti users tend to judge before questioning and then change their opinion
Te users question first , try to get the best SPECIFIC answer and then judge and won't question again ...
@@m4lev0lentdem0nknightamv5, thank you for your interesting insight. As an ISTP I will admit to accepting and then questioning later. I think it has to do with that naive Ne blind spot - until we get older and have more experiences under our belt.
It is interesting as well to me that I’ve said that Te want to ‘get things done’ while Ti wants to get things ‘done right’. So in different areas things play out a little differently.
My sister is an INTJ and after decades a lot of our childhood is making more sense. Amazing that we were able share a room for 15 years! 😄
I started watching you 12 years ago. You are the best at explaining personality types that I’ve seen. You made it interesting and real
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That helped a lot, thank you. 🙏❤
I love your down to earth approach to all of this. I agree I fuck up when I don’t use my sensing... Whenever I’m stuck on something it’s better to just take risks and throw myself physically into it
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you point about Ni(describing intj) is related to Ne - Ne sees every possibility as equally possible, while Ni tends to lean towards one possible outcome(supported by their Te i guess)
about Se - Se gatherers info from psychical environment(being attentive to detail,fast reactions etc.)
Se supports an INTJ's Ni; that's why they lean more to one particular outcome, they've drawn a line of best fit in their mind based off what's being observed or whatever occurs in real time. Te is used in tandem with Fi.
It's interesting how one really has a delusional sense of self. Almost everyone that knows me says I'm definitely an INTJ , but I view myself as more of an ISTP. But I really get that part where I want other people to percieve me how I percieve myself. Also how whenever I do a "physical activity" I do feel distrustful of the control I have over my body, but I also have a psychiatric condition DPDR that could create this effect. Maybe I really am just an INTJ after all or maybe im not. Anyway what is really confusing is that I'm not sure why I care to waste so much of my time on a pseudoscience.
I have a similar problem, my husband scores as an intj but he seems to me like an istp. It's also like he has two different personalities between his professional and home life.. it's also of little help that he questions why should he even care about his type 😁
It's not a pseudoscience, dr.dario nardi scientifically proved it's relation to how the neocortex works and maybe he will do research on deeper parts of the brain in the future , and he said his colleague in John Hopkins university dr.meena something also proved that intuition and sensing are polarities which means they're on an axis in the function stack , same for thinking and feeling.
@@malakashraf2801 Interesting, I’ll do some more research about this doctor.
I don't feel you're very clear on your analysis. I was "misdiagnosed" as an INFJ a long time ago, but found out I'm actually an ISTP. The main differences I've noticed is that both INFJs and ISTPs need to know the "why" something works but we ISTPs need to know why because if it doesn't work we want to know how to fix it. INFJs just need to know for knowledge sake.
Both types need independent mental stimulate but for ISTPs boredom = instant sadness. INFJs need to be constantly moving but ISTPs are fine not being in "motion" as long as we are not bored doing so otherwise we deadline and need alone time to sort through the depressive state.
ISTPs are also the better in any crisis situation.
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This was the most helpful video ever!
Thank you so much for the comparison.
I don't fit the stereotype of either so I was having trouble figuring out where I land.
The rules idea is just such a novel way of explaining this to me.
Good job. There's a lot of videos like this that kind of vaguely talk about the functions themselves and that I find uninsightful. Totally unlike what you did here with clear examples of the functions in action. 👏👏👏
I think Intjs are more similar to Istps than Intps
love your analysis
ISTP here. Just a comment about imagination. My friend and I often went to see foreign films. Afterward, we would talk about the films over pizza and beer.
So my friend comments that the movie would have been better in color. Me: “It wasn’t in color?!!!” My friend just stared at me in unbelief.
He was right. The movie was in black and white. But my ISTP brain filled in all the it wanted and did not notice the black and white. P.S. Our conversation came BEFORE the beer.
proton and electron only have a magnetic field when they're in motion. Nonetheless I see you're analogy and it makes sense
INTJ character -- Mr Spock . . ISTP character -- Indiana Jones
I'm interested in the reverse of this. Can you make a video contrasting ISTJ and INTP? Thanks.
I'm an infj and I've witnessed S(e) even in dreams, as being on a forward track, moving through a narrow awning of trees through a forest, like a tunnel. As nietzsche (intj) said, one must know how to draw a straight line.
I made that mistake and it gashed a dent in my life.
I'm an ISTP and my husband is INTJ, lol.
The position of Se in the stack has to do with how much muscle memory is up to date and mastered.
How to tell the difference:
INTJ- reading the books on the book shelf.
ISTP- burning the edges of the books to make them look cooler.
But i am reading the books. i'm an istp. Lol
Disagree. INTJs will read books about all sorts of interesting things. ISTPs will read books that contain knowledge that can be applied by them. If it can't be applied, it's useless info.
As an ISTP, I read books... but I NEVER read fiction. Life is too short for that.
cotomaznaczyc I agree with you 100%! Lol yes istp are practical and pragmatic, intjs are theoretical and schematic.
Funny how he mentions that Se is much better than Ni at scanning the environment going down the mountain, when Michael Schumacher (an ENFj) crushed himself in an accident skiing. Maybe it was due to the Ni. These kind of risky sports should be practiced primarily by strong Se types. Very interesting video from Jay, as always.
Is it possible to be both? I’m basically both.
Not according to Jungian theory, no. You can't be both type since the types has different functions and at different places. ISTP may feel and appear judge-y due to dominant Ti and auxiliary Se, but really in MBTI judgers are when the first judging function is extraverted. ISTPs are still perceivers due to the first perceiving function being extraverted.
That is fundamentally untrue about intj. Intj focuses on the big picture, istp focuses on details. To an intj the one solution is understanding the big picture of a solution via narrowing down a possibility. And the intj will also know what needs to be done at the present moment. We may just tasty to develop a strategy less energy consuming. I'm an intj, but I love exercise and boxing. Because I've figured out solutions to exercise and get huge without expending much energy. The picture of me is my back. And I'm 220 pounds 6"1. I only work out for About 20 minutes a day and that's how I look. We understand what needs to be done in the moment kid, believe that. And your inability to tackle large subjects as an istp via 3rd slot Ni causes you to focus on what is relevant rather than future. Thanks
my boss gave me 2 skillful trading options .. and i had to choose one of those trades carpenter and electrician ... which do you think should i choose ..? I am a male istp .. and I like both jobs but I have to choose one of them and I hope your answer can help god bless
Intjs question everything
As you said INTJs lean back that's exactly how I was sitting. Pretty observant.
I... I keep switching between INTJ, ISTP, and ISFP. The only cause I see is... my adaptability. I've moved many times in my relatively short life that my environment seems to be ever-changing. I am exposed to new sensations, experiences, and culture, which is most likely the cause of my "open-mind". With moving so much, I grew up wanting an ever-present friendship. Losing contact with so many people made me lonely and widen that craving for companionship, and most of all, an equal one. Sometimes I can't stand chatting with people because of their narrow views, their one-track thoughts, and it really bothers me. I enjoy socializing, I really do, but... I'm just tired of talking with people I honestly don't believe I can relate to. I am very reserved, quite but loud, open-minded, and distant. It's why some would call me introverted, and others would say I'm just "too polite". I take the Myer Briggs personality test so often because I want closure. I understand that it is likely fickle, and I should not place my entire belief in it, but, I'm young and "easily" influenced. I will not blindly put faith in what the internet tells me, but I can be selective with what I should believe.
I am so, so, sorry for many... errors with the paragraph. I am writing it with a mixture of rationality and long-overdue emotions.
Please, can anyone... sympathizes with me?
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Thank you for the suggestion. It was enjoyable.
Sounds similar to how I feel when stressed, which used to be quite often. I happen to be an istp. Though I recently resolved my confusion over whether or not I was an istp or an isfp. I love creating things, both art of tools. I would spend my waking hours doing it if I had the tools. I have powerful emotions, but my ethics usually boil down to *Do I want to do this? *Does doing this cause harm? *If it does cause harm, is it justified? *If it doesn't do harm and I still want to do it I do. I conclude an fi user would likely have more original ethics. Me I could steel someone's lunch if I was hungry enough, and not regret it later. Not proud of that, it is simply true. Discover whether you use Ti, Fi, or Ni. Me the only thing I was sure about was Se, Ni in the middle of my stack and in that order. I hope this helps. As far as companionship goes, talk to people never expecting them to stick around. There will be someone who will choose to stick around all by themself. Those are the people you keep, if you happen to like them. Leave if they cling to you only to manipulate, or gain from you. I hope this helps.
How did you go from DJ to EJ? Your comments usually annoyed me on perC
This might not be his channel. He deleted his channel (I think) and some else uploaded a lot of his content.
Why did you delete your channel?
+Samat 94 His insanity probably led him to delete his channel...Most smart ppl are also insane...
Maybe. But it doesnt change the fact that this person stole from him.
+kasiurfire "I hope you're not". Certain sign of an Fi dom. It is obvious, based on the lack of views that this is a clone channel, and my first impression was that the uploader did such as Jay's work needs to be appreciated.
Wow I've been typed already? Its TI actually. Is he dead or incapable of doing it on his own? Its not your decision.
+Samat 94 Most likely its not actually him
Why do you have a white line around your neck along your shirt?
Introverted feeling has nothing to do with "how you want others to view you." It is how you internally process emotions. Also, many, many INTJs will admit to being "lazy" as in "working lazy." We don't frantically run around working on things - that's counterproductive to a rational's mindset of using one's time logically. This is busywork. Who enjoys this? We work to streamline processes. We don't care HOW something is accomplished, as long as we can simplify it and make it easier and more efficient. This is the beauty of the INTJ thought process.
Also - an INTJ as a simple-minded rule follower?? Have you ever checked out Reddit's INTJ sub? Virtually all the responses when asked political persuasion are "libertarian." We do NOT blindly follow rules, be them partisan, academic, etc. ISTPs, on the other hand, ARE more likely to follow the rules as they are "by the book" and systematic in their thought processes. INTJs ask "Why should I listen to the book? Who wrote this book? Could I write a better book?" This is my experience at any rate; my husband is an ISTP. I'm an INTJ. You've described us almost completely backwards.
"Introverted feeling has nothing to do with 'how you want others to view you.' It is how you internally process emotions."
And this doesn't make the host (a Fi user) want to do X on the basis of how they process emotions (which results feeling)? I mean, having strong feelings on something makes you want Y in X way, so it isn't far-fetched to assume INTJs would like to have it in their way (they're judgers BTW, so it isn't as contradicting to their nature).
"Also, many, many INTJs will admit to being 'lazy' as in 'working lazy.' We don't frantically run around working on things - that's counterproductive to a rational's mindset of using one's time logically. This is busywork. Who enjoys this? We work to streamline processes. We don't care HOW something is accomplished, as long as we can simplify it and make it easier and more efficient. This is the beauty of the INTJ thought process. "
Well, in relative terms, INTJs (and INFJs) appear somewhat lazy, scatterbrained, and non-result-driven to other judgers (and that's due to them being Ni doms), but to perceivers, they're still judgers. Judgers as in result-driven, pragmatic, strive for external efficiency and etc.
"Also - an INTJ as a simple-minded rule follower?? Have you ever checked out Reddit's INTJ sub? Virtually all the responses when asked political persuasion are 'libertarian.' "
I think you should ask if the INTJs that answered were really INTJs (mistypes are very common on that subreddit) and ask them how it is relevant to personality and not just a moot point. I mean, there might be a correlation, but it's really isn't that strong in comparison to other correlations. (Besides, I bet most of them are minarchists or classical liberals and not anarcho-capitalists (which falls under the umbrella of libertarianism)).
"*We do NOT blindly follow rules,* be them partisan, academic, etc."
While you and some others may not *BLINDLY* follow rules, INTJs still follow rules to a degree greater than ISTPs. This has to do with auxiliary Te making a host abide to rules and regulations from various organizations. Since Te only concerns itself with results and not with processes, rules and regulations appeal to you more than how *_you_** think* (literally Ti). I mean, Ti only concerns on how X is valid in a subjective (but logical) framework, and not for results (most of the time at least). You (as in Te user) find Ti to be stressful because it doesn't concern for results, just processes.
>"ISTPs, *on the other hand,* ARE more likely to follow the rules as they are "by the book" and systematic in their thought processes."
>"my husband is an ISTP."
Does your husband on the basis of his Ti or is it because he concerns himself with results (which is more helped by rules and regulation)? If the latter, why did you type him as an ISTP? You just misled yourself because of a mistype. You just misled yourself on the ISTPs thought process (which I'm assuming is cognitive stack).
I don't care about whether you are really an intj or mistyped yourself as one but as ab istp, I'll tell you that - rules are meant to be broken and optimized. That's what naturally comes to my mind when I see rules even when I was 4.
I see paradox in your video. You say Istp are crying with "why me?" then you say they don't attend to others feeling about them.
I hate when people try to prove other people wrong in typology videos. Like listen to the description dam it!! The behaviors are described even if you don’t agree with the Nes and the Nos and the Nas. Not everyone studied this for a living, they are trying to describe something. And you would be surprised you actually agree with this person if you weren’t so anal about the terms used and so focused on crushing an answer to get a golden star 🤦🏻♀️
You are comparing Dom function Ti of ISTPs with Aux function Te of INTJs
INTJ always question rules but they don't ask it to the ones near them , they instead try to find answers and then question the authority
Ni is an extremely speculative function but Te is specific - the combination makes INTJs imaginative and decisive , tenacious but openminded ...
Ni is a function that does'nt rely on external validation , just because they don't question externally that doesn't mean that they don't question at all
a better way to differentiate is by judging the nature of their question - qualitative or quantitative analysis , specific objective / subjective theories
I'm Intj & I think you may be getting some traits of intj's mixed up with istj's because when your comparing the two some of the things you're saying intj is actually istj like the example you gave of questioning rules intj's always question rules exactly the same as istp's it's istj's that don't, do aggre with the difference between thinking and that istp's have one solution vs intj's think of several options that's why we question rules because the rules have to make sense to us otherwise they are pointless because we're both purpose driven unlike istj's who are more like process driven. my daughter is Istp, my husband and my mom are both istj's they believe that things done the same way it's always been done is the best way even if the outcome is not the very best, also I don't agree about intj's differ from istp's in respect that we also don't care what people think about us we'll we do care a lot but not enough to change who we are to fit someone else we may be upset they you view us in a certain way but we still won't change the way we are so someone will think differently about us we're too stubborn but on the other hand an infj might possibly consider it only if it makes the person they really care about like them more but that would be the only reason deep down they will hold true to how they feel without rocking the boat so much as a feeler as a thinker like myself would they either like me or they don't it may get to me but at the end of the day fuck em lol
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Nice comment.
But i think his point in regards how rules are approached. Istp will assume them until proven useful, intj will assume they are useful until its proven, that they are not.
Rational Thinking not sure what you were saying about istj's you may have left a word or 2 out so idk, but I know that we "intj's'' are purpose driven so if it Doesn't serve a purpose we probably won't do it because we have limited energy and we have to decide what things or people to prioritize so we make the best of the energy we do have if you understand what I'm saying.
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Case 1) There is a rule, where you can determine, if it is useful.
Istp and Intj cant be told apart.
Case 2) There is a rule, where you cant determine, if its useful. Istp will not accept the rule, intj will accept the rule (of course both regarding short-term-strategies)
Istj doesnt play a role in my comment.
Rational Thinking
Oh ok I see what you are saying ... well idk about every intj but me myself if I can't determine it to be useful for me or for someone else, I probably would not follow it unless there's some kind of bad consequence that I'll have that's worse than just following the rule lol because you know we analyze quite a bit lol of course if the rule doesn't bother me and I don't mind following it then you would be correct .. depends on why the rule is questionable.. 😊
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no it's more that istp's are more sensual and they talk about things matter-of-fact.....
I got a question. for example in a war.. like ww2.. out of the 16.. which type of personality would most likely to survive interogation and torture in the war prison camp once they are captured by enemy? which has higher chance come out alive?
i think ISTP has the least chance.
Probably INTJs. Maybe INFJs, too, but their Fe may interfere. Ni makes them plan and see the likely consequences of what they do. They control themselves and won't have many emotional outbursts. Their Te will make them stick to the most efficient way of doing things and to their goals. They will also take action and follow their plans.
INTJs are emotional crybabies who complain about everything, get real my dude
It just depends on training. I believe this because if an untrained non army istp goes and gets tortured he'll crack and be scared shitless. But an trained infp will be hardened calmer and better in touch with emotions and will not let thier emotions control them. So it depends on the person and their training.this is just my opinion
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I think stj have the highest chance, because their point of view on that topic cant be changed. Intj might reevaluate and if the threat is bigger than the one for telling them, they most likely will consider it. Istj especially might very likely even die for the purpose.
I miss you
Where oh where are you ej aranndee where oh where is your stp cute self!!! Everyone misses you and it's rude to disappear......... Tanning hides in a hut.... Could be good for him... But probably smelly. I vote for a return episode... Where he recounts saving kittens and posing as an istp Mbti conference speaker and got chased out by half the psychotherapy association when he described his love of infps and furries... Yeah.... Come back!!!!
What type are you
Where the hell is ej
Estp
Like where the hell is he did someone do something
Intuitives are clumsy, Sensors are more environmentally aware.
So i am intj
Mechanically inclined? You forget all those lawyers, psychologists, writers, managers etc. who are INTJs.
wrong. extroverted thinkers make rules and introverted thinkers internalize those rules and follow them.
I'd love to see a comparison chat of the porn habits of the two lolol (educated guess: INTJs don't watch much cause what's in their heads is better ;) ).
Tarak Lol you would think that... INTJ here. Watch too much of the stuff haha.
Tarak Sensory loop.
I'm an INTJ and I don't agree with this ! I have my own patterns, I'm constantly call into question rules ( I think you're confusing INTJs with ISTJ ) I'm okey to say that Te process is focused on the external, real world, rather than the inner world as it is for Ti ... but hell ! no !! WE DON'T FOLLOW RULES especially the intuitive ones (ENTJs and INTJs)
Secondly, when you talk about possibilities, I think you make a reference to Ne ( Ne : have an infinite number of ideas and suggestions )... INTJs deal with Ni which can be summed up in : FOCUS !
... Sorry but I don't see myself in what you said , you're describing a different type than INTJ !
He truly does have them reversed in the rule-following example. INTJs are relentless in questioning rules, laws and social customs, then showing their contempt for them if they make no rational sense.
@@echt114 xD INTJs are always rational ! ( I'm joking x)
Rip. E j
Extrovert? I thought this video concerned INTROVERTs on both personality types! You're making no sense!
what the shit?
PikUpYourPantsPatrol is this the internet equivalent of flanking me on two fronts 0.0
I don't really agree with most of this. You're going too far into talking about stereotypical behaviors, when typing is much more about 'how' someone gets to wherever they are going.
Yah, one solution means that you are not very inventive. Also, on another point: there is no proof whatsoever hat IS are better at sports. Individual predispositions (genetics) are very important.
the point is if you put two persons with similar genetics in a sport, it's likely that the istp person will perform better than the intj one
makes no sense, too vague to have any actual substance.
mgtow is the way to go
Don't worry you won't get laid. What does have to do with this video?
I am sorry EJ, I think you need to read a little more before you prepare a video like that. Because this is a completely shallow understanding. You much are ISTP.
I know... One is extremely stupid... That would be the istp
INTJs are pseudo intellectuals more often than not
+PikUpYourPantsPatrol tell that to tesla (;
The difference between intellectual and intelligence. Look it up.
Dear Tesla, some INTJs seem to think that because you are smart, all INTJs must be smart. There's no logic in that, but that's immaturity for you. Love - from a fan.
itscherry Narrow minded is stupid. Fool...
This istp guy doesn't understand INTJs at all because he got almost all of the points backwards!
First off, INTJs will challenge rules that don't make sense for higher efficiency.
Didn't know that ISTPs were this stupid?
Now I can gladly cross off this group from my serious dating list, so it's still a net win :)