Yeah just say no thanks shut door and job done. Costs em money so it’s all gravy as far as I’m concerned wouldn’t tell em the colour of the door right in front of them as it would already be shut and locked…….
Yes, that declaration may reduce the letters but probably makes a visit more likely and links a name to an address in Capita's database and Capita is a company I'd rather not give such information to. Anyway, got that same letter myself a couple of weeks ago. It went straight in my green bin. Whoever lived at that address they visited every 10 seconds must have got a bit p****d off.
hahaha and me, I can remember when a letter from TV Licensing came in a brown envelope which actually had TV Licensing on the envelope. Now it just arrives in a white envelope and no indication who it is from , However the giveaway is how it is addressed "To the Legal Occupier"
@@robertcapewell6465 They sent it in my name, till a goon got the door closed with a ...no thank you. Then the letters started coming to Legal Occupier. 🤷
Thanks for all that you do Jon, breaking down the "gobbledegook" for us. As a side note my elderly neighbour, is 73 and in poor health, as a consequence of our chatting it turned out he was very worried. I took the liberty Jon of showing him one of your excellent videos, next day he told me he slept well for the first time in a month, having been reassured by your information. Thanks again from both of us.
Had a visitor from the "investigating officer" as I was leaving the house this morning to go to work. Told him "no thanks" Followed me for 2 mins and said "follow me any further I would have him arrested" Turned about and drove away. He has been in trouble with the police previously for something similar.
Had 3 visits in 6 weeks from 3 different goons not been in for 2 of them and they have left a snotty threatening letter in my post box. I live in a bungalow and wonder if they think i am elderly and can bully me into buying a licence I do not need.
But a freedom of information request will tell you that they can't tell you that. I think more about the environmental aspect of all that paper they are using up. At least they're helping keeping the posties in jobs
Because to have any chance in a court hearing, you need expensive lawyers outta the arse to argue your case for you. Else you will just be steamrollered by the legal process. It would take a rich person wanting to make a point to proceed with it. And a rich person is going to have a TVL.
.... because the BBC have an exception from Government granted by your local mp.... ask them why they explicitly allow the bbc to behave as they do....
I cancelled my mothers licence when she went into a care home 8 years ago , I filled in the online form and still got these letters . Since she passed away a year ago , I am getting them every two weeks , absolutely fed up with them .
John, don’t rely on living on a top floor flat as protection. I am a delivery driver in the UK and I believe I witnessed a goon buzz a different flat to gain access to the building under the guise of being from the “council”. They will often buzz a different number flat to the one they are actually visiting. So still expect the knock.
I live in a sheltered flat, and we are not obliged to buzz anyone in (unless it's the postman), if the person they are wishing to visit/communicate with is not answering their entryphone. I do have a TV but do not watch BBC or any live broadcasts, only talking pictures TV or the crime channel....all the others are crap in my opinion.
I advised that "I do not need a license" a number of times and even did it online a good while ago and as a result they stepped up on the door knocks and threats. Harassment, extortion under threat of court order. Abusive people become tv licence employees. If you answer the door to them say "You are harassing me, you are intimidating me without cause or reason; come back and i will sue you personally for abuse." The look on their face and the stumbling words as you slam the door in their face is worth it!
About 10 years ago they turned up on my dad's doorstep stating that their records showed no valid tv license at his address. He stated that he did indeed have a valid license, and showed it to them. They said that their records showed a different name at his address, and asked for proof of I.D. He said their records were obviously wrong and showed them his driving license. They still wouldn't accept it, and harassed him for months, until he threatened them with legal action. They are crooks who will try anything to get your money.
Whoever lived at that address they visited every 10 seconds must have got a bit p****d off. Anyway, got that same letter myself a couple of weeks ago. It went straight in my green bin.
Feel the same about voting register - sent nasty letter - I was born English - I know I do not have to register for this crap either! Banker picks Gov - not public, 2022 - came out of his Mile to force Liz out for Rishi to be installed!!! Banker Rules here - we never were a democrasy.
@@colinellison762 which is why they do it. They have expensive reliefs and “Artworks” by convicted people of the worst kind to upkeep you know the BBC.
Im starting my third year of no tv licence, ive had one visit in that time. Never opened the door and they toodled off. I get one letter a month which i send straight back to them, return to sender. It works . Keep up the great work. 🏆
Tvl have an agreement withe the post office and your letters won't have been returned... you are better off to forward to your mp asking why they permit harassment...
The way I understand it is, if you legally cancel your licence, they keep sending you letters and a threat of a visit, even though you have cancelled "legally" . Also, if you fill out the cancellation forms or cancel by phone, they will have a name to go with your address. I'll just continue to ignore them and not give them my money and simply not go through the pointlessness of filling out a form. Thanks for your work and information, John
I just declare every 2 years under a fake name. It doesn't really matter whether they have my name or not, they know my address is not licensed. I know I don't have to, but that's my choice and it stops the letters and I have never had a visit in 6 years.
Thanks, I might do that then. I only get a letter on average about once a month. But from what I've heard from others is that even after cancellation they still receive letters.
@@cshartley101 It just seems to vary and there are different outcomes for people doing the same thing. When I cancelled, they did say I might get a visit, the usual nonsense threats, but that's an email rather than a letter. I really hate those letters, that's why I chose the online declaration every 2 years.
Yes but if you’ve had a tv licence like me, they have your name anyway to send the licence. I have just this minute cancelled mine as I don’t watch any live tv, haven’t for years, don’t have virgin media or sky. Most I watch is the odd movie on Prime which I pay for by subscription. I have no way of recording as non of the above so I’ve unsubscribed to the licence. 15 quid a month goes towards my dogs funds for vet prescriptions. Times are hard time to get hard
i love how they just ASSUME you need a tv licence its pathetic my 69 year old mom received one yesterday she is ok with tech i just been going over how she can watch her soaps without tv licence even eastenders dont know why eastenders episodesmare normally on youtube few hours after broadcast so u can watch without licence point is i been showing my mom she can watch everything she loves on catch up not i player without tv licence and she had a goon last week come to door i was there and she just told him to bog off and shut door i was proud i just hate how they assume ur guilty its so wrong keep them coming jon
I did declare I didn’t need one and no refund was issued (9 months left on licence)I had a visit from 2 people a male and female ENFORCEMENT OFFICER……ha ha ha. I have adhd and have been terrified by these people. I just said no thank you and closed the door. Thank you Jon.
I've had five letters for this apartment and I only moved in two weeks ago. The first two letters were dated before the apartment was even completed in February and ready for occupation. They're getting desperate. Glad I have a shredder.
Keep up the good & accurate work 👏 haha the BBC can go and whistle for funding! You are doing a great job of informing people in your videos. Good man.
I've been licence-free for over two and a half years, received countless letters from them, but no visits. I have signed the no licence needed declaration twice (without including my real name). I don't watch or record anything that's being broadcast nor use BBC iPlayer and have saved over £300.
My house is a blackhole, anything that goes in, such as these letters never come out, no reaction, nothing. Nothing easier than doing nothing. Why on earth would you declare you don't do something...
I declared no license needed 2 years ago and last year as well. I will keep on doing it every year whether needing to or not. Haven't had any letters or visits. If they do happen to visit I will get my solicitor friend to send them a letter.
Send them a legal letter warning them to stop sending you letters. Hit them back with the letters, you're not breaking the law with anything to do with not having a licence
Jon,I informed BBC Licensing 4 years ago I didn't need a licence. They emailed me back a few days later to confirm this. Then the letters started ending up with the big red envelope one. Had a vist after the covid suspension. I then contacted my MP and said I had been intimidated on my door step by demanding money with menaces. She agreed, she wrote to BBC and I haven't heard anything since.
... or a fishing licence, a driving licence, a pilot's licence, a canal boating licence, a water abstraction licence, an agricultural analysis licence, a bookmaker's licence, a cockling licence,
... or a fishing licence, a driving licence, a pilot's licence, a canal boating licence, a licence to dive at protected wrecks in Wales, a cockling licence, a bookmaker's licence, a scrap metal dealer's licence, a fireworks manufacturing and storage licence, an abstraction of water licence, a dangerous wild animals licence ... Of all the dozens and dozens of licences which I might require for any one or more of a great many leisure or commercial activities in one or all nations of the UK, there is only one licenci g body which - with absolutely no evidence AT ALL - makes the assumption that I _must_ need said licence and proceeds to harangue me _continually_ and repeatedly over a period of years, about the penalties I face for my omission to own such a license _when I do not need said licence_ .
you don't need a license to watch live TV and bbc iplayer full stop. Been watching live TV and bbc iplayer for 2 years and nothing, no letters , no visits, nothing. It's a complete scam.
Reason.. they go "scary" on these letters is they know they cant enforce it as they cant see what you are watching unless you tell them or let them in. So if the letter wrote you cant watch live tv LEGALLY without a licence, please buy one, people will know they can do it anyway. They cant detect you watching live TV, so their hands are tied and like the Police in the US Not able to "demand" ID without arrest, they push you into giving it against the law threatening with arrest if you dont give ID. In court defendant always winds a lawsuit. UK cant do anything with this licence mess now but send out letters and doorstops to get you to admit you are watching live tv without the licence. shut the door and theres nothing they can do by the law...
I dont care, they can threaten as much as they want, there is nothing on TV that i could be interested in thats worth a fraction of what they are charging!.
I Live in a new build home, within 2-3 months they started the threatening letters and last week sent the enforcement officer whilst I was at work. The person left a note saying they will be back.
I've always filled in the declaration online and have never received any letters. They've just sent me a yearly email asking me to fill in the declaration again and I've noticed they seem to have changed the wording in the online declaration. Now it feels very confusing and I am certain it is deliberate to trick people into thinking they need a licence when they don't.
Pretty sure I've got the full set several times over now after 12 years of not paying for something I don't need....any other company would have been warned about harassment by now by the courts.... This needs to be stopped... especially as elderly people are likely to be extremely unsettled by these bullying letters...
I live with my autistic son so I did the no licence needed declaration as he would get upset from the letters arriving. We haven't watched live TV for over 4 years. I so far have had no visits. But my son is prepared now if one calls. Firstly he won't answer the door and if he does he will be polite and and say no thanks and close the door....
You might get a return visit, but for them it's a numbers game. The goons earn commission, so they can't waste time on a useless address. If you like in a big town / city you stand more of a chance of a return visit at some point
I’ve just just cancelled ours i think it’s a sinking ship now it’s dead hopefully and thank you for your help on this matter mate I’ll ways wach you channel keep up the good work fight mate form south Derbyshire
seen them all john , my latest one is, we have been authorised to visit your home ,still havent come round .but i have nothing to hide , have been lissence free for the 11th year , i dont watch any broadcast tv , its all shit ,
Thanks for your videos they help/aid others and us to breakthrough the fear barrier of not getting a TV licence! for two years now at least, we have not bought a TV licence, YES, we do it legally, we even cut off the end of our aerial cable and taped over the bare end, so we don't watch BBCI player or BBC program channels, including broadcast/live TV we rather watch Netflix, Disney, Now TV, Amazon Prime, and downstream services, or DVD's Blu-ray disks, at first, we didn't feel totally comfortable/ confident early on but we stuck at it, if it's done legally then absolutely nothing to fear guys, now we don't even miss traditional broadcast TV believe me, it's not worth the licence fee, if you ask me personally. So, we healthily jumped over the licensing obstacle of not needing a TV licence, however I heard further unsavory discussions that, they the BBC could try and put the TV licence fee on local council taxes, imagine Netflix or Sky trying that one, hmm and everybody will have to pay this weasel fee, possibly even the legally blind, who's to know these things? That in my book would amount to a form of tasteless corruption and if done would demonstrate to everyone what kind of society we truly live in sadly, Jon-ChilliJonCarne any ideas on how to legally fight that one if it happens? So, we jumped over these high obstacle of not needing a TV licence for now, however these discussions are ongoing hypothetically the BBC and the Government could try and put the TV licence fee on local council taxes is absolutely preposterous and shameful, supposably everybody will have to pay this weasel fee if it's brought onboard, a bit like histories window taxes demonstrate to everyone in this country what kind of real society we live in today, may I for one surely hope this plan is all 'balloon hot air' for now I say Jon, do you have any ideas on how to legally fight that one, if it comes to fruition it's a sneaky 'doozy' so I've asked twice? Joh, you have my warmest respect.
I wrote to them and removed their implied right of access so they aren't allowed to come round my house. I don't have a TV in my house. I really hope they try and get a warrant so I can take them to court for harassment.
I am so lucky, I’ve filled in the online form for no licence needed, three times and I’ve never been bothered by a visit, threatening letter or letter about no licence registered at my address.
I had filled in the "No T.V. license needed" form online 3 times over the last 6 years. This time i did not bother. I got 3 letters over about 3 months, then one unanswered visit from one of the boys. I have many cameras.Waited till i got another letter then filed in the "No T.V. needed" form online. Only this time i did not fill in my name. I do not watch TV in any way shape or form, it's something i lost interest in years ago. I still have a SKY dish just above my front door, my SKY subscription expired a good 20 years ago. As i give zero thought to TV I'm less likely to fill in any form next time.
I've had the very same letter. I photograph them and put them in my Facebook page. Usually get a few laughs from friends. They can keep them coming, it's not my licence money that's paying for all this bulls¥₩t. Two years now since I had a Goon visit, unfortunately I was away so never had the pleasure of shutting my door on them!
My Mrs family got a letter saying investigation in the area. They asked me about it cause I got them to not pay a few years ago. They declared online and almost 2 years later they got that letter and the first thing I said was what investigation? they don't even have your name, what power? are they the law? They can't do anything and IF they appear don't say anything other than no thanks and close the door.
Really appreciate the video and yes I think it's a good thing to see what letters everyone gets, as individuals we are more likely to be in terminated by these letters but by showing they are Commonplace it is not such a scary thing, yes and BBC TV Licensing uses fear of financial loss or breaking law to get you to pay.
Hi. Just thought I would add my two penn'orth. I have just received my free TV licence and a refund . I have also had a reminder that I haven't paid my tv licence.
Just bought a house so told them I didn’t need a license and within 2 months had a letter stating that I had been “detected” watching live tv - despite house being unoccupied & uninhabitable during renovations
I got one of these today and with my mental health issues i found it very concerning! It caused me stress and alarm! I told them i dont need one! It took them a year to sort out this form about not having one and they never done it! So today i rang them and told them i dont want one!.
I had a goon from tv licensing put a letter through my door with info hand written in the boxes on the back. On the front it says in red " do not ignore this". I wasn't in the property at the time but it says they will be back in 7 days. If I was in the property I would have told them get to f**k off my private property. I don't have a tv at the property and don't have the Internet there either and don't live at the property. Anyway, why should anyone have to pay a licence to watch independent tv stations and the money is given to the BBC!!! I just ignore the B'stards. Great channel.
Hi ChilliJohn, was speaking to someone the other day and they absolutley tried to shoot me down in flames stating that you require a TV license just to own a TV set AND to cover the radio they have in their car,They were not having any of it,Is it any wonder the BBC are pocketing a fortune when ill advised people have this kind of mindset
March 2023. Politely phoned up to cancel. All well and good. September 2023 the first harrassing/threatening letter arrived. By December 2023 i had FIVE letters, the last threatening a visit 'on ar after 14th December at any time during the day, evening or weekend'. And THAT is why I will NOT be telling them i don't need a licence again and will just slam the door in their harrassing F'n face. I will treat them in the same way as they have treated me.
Keep on making these videos Jon because it shows people how consistent you are with what you know - people can't ignore that despite whatever opinions they may hold!
24 years no licence, lived in two places, latest since 2013, lot of letters, no visit. But then i live in east london so they surely can't recruit anyone who would dare. Tip... make sure you don't use iplayer either, and make sure you do open letters from the state about voting etc to make sure you tick boxes for keeping your name off the visible electoral roll, so they can't address you by name
Who is paying the private company and how do they have access to the information? There are rules and this company should be investigated for unlawful harrassent. The information commissioner should ivestigate. What are the odds?
I also live in a block of flats with a buzzer for the main door. I have lived there for 15 yrs and NO visits BUT I get a monthly Threat O Gram. I could get a free license as I'm 75 and on pension credits, but there is no point because I don't watch live TV and on the application form they want your previous TV license number which I can't remember because it was over 40 years ago since I've had one. I have wondered if I said I once watched BBC IPlayer, if they would take me to court, I have my doubts and if they did I would say I got confused and I actually watched it at a friends house who was licensed.
With the list of categories for needing a TV licence such as RUclips Netflix including commercial broadcasting companies that you can watch on a smart phone or PC, they still say you require a TV licence, such ambiguity should be illegal as it's nothing to do with the BBC, you are right, they will continue to strike fear into the public with the backing of the government through the back door avenue to pay up even when you don't need a licence, totally disgraceful.
Ano it’s shocking when these are subscription companies in themselves and nothing to do with TV licensing and the BBC. Same as itv which is funded by advertisements.
I have just moved into a new property, I have already had a letter, I must admit it does make me nervous. Even though the only thing I use the TV for is to play Xbox. But I am taking your advice and I will see where it leads me. The scare tactics they use are disguising. Great channel.
I've spoken to People who pay the tax and I've asked them why do you pay it? No one has ever said that it is good value for Money. We don't want to get in any trouble, best to stay legal or we do watch East Enders.
I see Freely the latest tv service was launched yesterday which is backed by the bbc,ITV, ch4 and ch5. What really annoys me is in the press it's being described as a free service which is complete fabrication as you still need a licence to watch it.
4 years licence free.. Just don't open the door, letters go in the bin.. If I do get caught out and open the door just say no thankyou shut the door...
After the first non declare two years ago without issues, I again declared in Jan 2024 I did not need a licence, this month April I got a letter saying 'something has changed and you need a TV licence' (they never said what the change was, then I got a second letter a few weeks after saying as I did not reply to the first letter an investigation has started. I think it just the usual trying to scare people into buying the licence.
Four years me no licence I just regard their activities as purely childish. If people want to cancel they should do it, you've more to fear from the Bogey man under the bed.
@@VictorLaszlo-iz3il They'd like you to think so but if you do as Chilli says and have no contact with them there's no risk. I've had goon visits their so called " enforcement officers" and they send me a meaningless threat letter every month which goes straight in the bin and where has it got them. Nowhere.
Whoever lived at that address they visited every 10 seconds must have got a bit p****d off. Anyway, got that same letter myself a couple of weeks ago. It went straight in my green bin. Keep up the good work, CJ.
Apart from telling them the first time I stopped paying my licence, which was over three years ago, and getting a visit a little while later, I haven't filled in a two year declaration and I haven't had a single letter!! I'm a very lucky lady 😊
Back in the 1980's a case went to court in Glasgow for using a TV without a licence. The guy had found out that the governmt did not allow TV detector vans to operate in Northern Irteland. He screamed discrimination. The judge agreed and as a result all the detector vans were scrapped.
Hi there, just watched your video on receiving the TV Licence letter, mine was about the no licence needed, you have put my mind at rest. There's nothing good to watch on TV anyway only repeats same old same old, very boring. I have other hobbies to get on with. Thanks for your advice.
I cancelled my TV Licence about 8 years ago and I must admit when the first letter came through I was a bit worried. But watching you helped me a lot. Now, since I do everything on line I rarely get any mail. Well as I'm in my mid 70's I don't get to see many people. So it got to the point where I looked forward to getting their threatening letters. Because now I know the facts I must admit I get quite a laugh reading them and to see what new threats are in it. But for some reason I must have inadvertently upset them because I've never had a letter for months, I'm starting to miss them, I need a good laugh. Incidentally I've never had a visit from Heinrich Müllers goons. A girl did walk along the street posting the "we visited form" but before she could post it I gave her it back and she apologised and said she was hired to post these cards without knocking.
The bit about how many doors they knock on is ridiculous, 5000 a day works out if they do 12hrs around 420 every hour for the whole country, ether they are lazy or that's the number of doors that get opened to them. Your postman mostly delivers in a single morning to more doors in one day.
My latest letter has a section at the bottom that alerting me that they can "apply for a court for a search warrant to gain access to my property" In a red box at the bottom entitled " A reminder of the law" , it says let us know you don't need one at ... They really should be fined for claiming these as facts.
I get letters all the time, nobody comes, I tend not to answer the door generally anyway, but when they threaten I wait and nothing. I don't watch any BBC I don't even watch live motor sports on RUclips, so I am not breaking any laws, but they are idle threats, nothing ever happens on the days they say they are coming.
I declared a no TV licence needed online but i still had a goon knock on my door. I just told him to go away and shut the door.
Spot on.
Yeah just say no thanks shut door and job done. Costs em money so it’s all gravy as far as I’m concerned wouldn’t tell em the colour of the door right in front of them as it would already be shut and locked…….
Way to go !
How could you be so heartless? ;)
Yes, that declaration may reduce the letters but probably makes a visit more likely and links a name to an address in Capita's database and Capita is a company I'd rather not give such information to.
Anyway, got that same letter myself a couple of weeks ago. It went straight in my green bin.
Whoever lived at that address they visited every 10 seconds must have got a bit p****d off.
*YEAH!!!!! I'VE JUST HAD THE VERY SAME LETTER*
Mines in the bin 👍👍👍👍
Please recycle 😂🙏
hahaha and me, I can remember when a letter from TV Licensing came in a brown envelope which actually had TV Licensing on the envelope. Now it just arrives in a white envelope and no indication who it is from , However the giveaway is how it is addressed "To the Legal Occupier"
@@robertcapewell6465
They sent it in my name, till a goon got the door closed with a ...no thank you.
Then the letters started coming to Legal Occupier.
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@@mandrakejake
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Bit of a waste use it for toilet paper or to get the fire going with
Here's another statistic for you... every 15 seconds one of their goons gets a door closed on them 😂
I don't even answer the door.
great.
Good on you
When i get a legal occupier letter, i put "not known at this address" on it and stick it back in the post for them.
Good idea! Lol!
Fantastic to see how the BBC are fully utilising the money they receive via thousands of door-to-door sales people. Absolutely brilliant work!
yes it cost them plenty.
Thanks for all that you do Jon, breaking down the "gobbledegook" for us. As a side note my elderly neighbour, is 73 and in poor health, as a consequence of our chatting it turned out he was very worried. I took the liberty Jon of showing him one of your excellent videos, next day he told me he slept well for the first time in a month, having been reassured by your information. Thanks again from both of us.
Had a visitor from the "investigating officer" as I was leaving the house this morning to go to work. Told him "no thanks" Followed me for 2 mins and said "follow me any further I would have him arrested" Turned about and drove away. He has been in trouble with the police previously for something similar.
That sort of harassment would justify more physical action, in my opinion.
5 years licence free, feels great
me too!
Three years licence free for me. Still loving every moment.
Yeah, and not watching TV does wonders for your mental health. No more propaganda fed to you through a box 24/7.
About probably 15 years for me!
7 for me I’m not paying for my own brainwashing by Isreal
Had 3 visits in 6 weeks from 3 different goons not been in for 2 of them and they have left a snotty threatening letter in my post box. I live in a bungalow and wonder if they think i am elderly and can bully me into buying a licence I do not need.
I am elderly but they don't scare me!
Imagine how much it costs to send these out. How many people are paying for these letters out of their TV licenses?
about 13 million quid a year.
lots- mugs.
The black whole of their shortfall.
A lot lot lot less than Gary Lineker!!!!
But a freedom of information request will tell you that they can't tell you that. I think more about the environmental aspect of all that paper they are using up. At least they're helping keeping the posties in jobs
Why hasn't someone taken the bbc to court over the scary harassment letters.they shouldn't be allowed to send out intimidating letters like this.
Because to have any chance in a court hearing, you need expensive lawyers outta the arse to argue your case for you. Else you will just be steamrollered by the legal process.
It would take a rich person wanting to make a point to proceed with it. And a rich person is going to have a TVL.
Go to blackbelt barrister. He might take them to court. Just guessing.
@@tonyandjanetparker3204 he may be bat for your side, he's hired-gun/mercenary-for-hire? if there splashing more cash than you?
.... because the BBC have an exception from Government granted by your local mp.... ask them why they explicitly allow the bbc to behave as they do....
@@dh2032 You need to write that with correct spelling and punctuation. That way you might make more sense.
I cancelled my mothers licence when she went into a care home 8 years ago , I filled in the online form and still got these letters . Since she passed away a year ago , I am getting them every two weeks , absolutely fed up with them .
Keep up the good work Jon👊 This scandalous racket MUST be called out and stopped!!!!!
Yes keep doing the letters jon. I was reassured myself thanks to your channel. Let's get more doors closed on them.
John, don’t rely on living on a top floor flat as protection. I am a delivery driver in the UK and I believe I witnessed a goon buzz a different flat to gain access to the building under the guise of being from the “council”.
They will often buzz a different number flat to the one they are actually visiting. So still expect the knock.
That must be tresspass.
I live in a sheltered flat, and we are not obliged to buzz anyone in (unless it's the postman), if the person they are wishing to visit/communicate with is not answering their entryphone. I do have a TV but do not watch BBC or any live broadcasts, only talking pictures TV or the crime channel....all the others are crap in my opinion.
They ain't no Sherlock Holmes when it comes to investigating since they don't even know your name.
more like the blind leading the blind.
I advised that "I do not need a license" a number of times and even did it online a good while ago and as a result they stepped up on the door knocks and threats. Harassment, extortion under threat of court order.
Abusive people become tv licence employees.
If you answer the door to them say "You are harassing me, you are intimidating me without cause or reason; come back and i will sue you personally for abuse." The look on their face and the stumbling words as you slam the door in their face is worth it!
About 10 years ago they turned up on my dad's doorstep stating that their records showed no valid tv license at his address. He stated that he did indeed have a valid license, and showed it to them. They said that their records showed a different name at his address, and asked for proof of I.D. He said their records were obviously wrong and showed them his driving license. They still wouldn't accept it, and harassed him for months, until he threatened them with legal action. They are crooks who will try anything to get your money.
It's literally bullying and harassment. I might have considered buying a licence and getting a TV had they not sent me those awful letters
You forgot theatening!, which im sure many older people would consider it!.
Whoever lived at that address they visited every 10 seconds must have got a bit p****d off.
Anyway, got that same letter myself a couple of weeks ago. It went straight in my green bin.
Feel the same about voting register - sent nasty letter - I was born English - I know I do not have to register for this crap either! Banker picks Gov - not public, 2022 - came out of his Mile to force Liz out for Rishi to be installed!!!
Banker Rules here - we never were a democrasy.
@@colinellison762 which is why they do it. They have expensive reliefs and “Artworks” by convicted people of the worst kind to upkeep you know the BBC.
Bullying & harrasment while hiding behind a bunch of legalism that protects them to some degree I would say too!
Im starting my third year of no tv licence, ive had one visit in that time. Never opened the door and they toodled off. I get one letter a month which i send straight back to them, return to sender. It works . Keep up the great work. 🏆
Tvl have an agreement withe the post office and your letters won't have been returned... you are better off to forward to your mp asking why they permit harassment...
Brilliant.
The way I understand it is, if you legally cancel your licence, they keep sending you letters and a threat of a visit, even though you have cancelled "legally" . Also, if you fill out the cancellation forms or cancel by phone, they will have a name to go with your address.
I'll just continue to ignore them and not give them my money and simply not go through the pointlessness of filling out a form.
Thanks for your work and information, John
I just declare every 2 years under a fake name. It doesn't really matter whether they have my name or not, they know my address is not licensed. I know I don't have to, but that's my choice and it stops the letters and I have never had a visit in 6 years.
Thanks, I might do that then. I only get a letter on average about once a month. But from what I've heard from others is that even after cancellation they still receive letters.
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It just seems to vary and there are different outcomes for people doing the same thing. When I cancelled, they did say I might get a visit, the usual nonsense threats, but that's an email rather than a letter. I really hate those letters, that's why I chose the online declaration every 2 years.
ive done a no licence needed on line for years and you dont have to put a name to it
Yes but if you’ve had a tv licence like me, they have your name anyway to send the licence. I have just this minute cancelled mine as I don’t watch any live tv, haven’t for years, don’t have virgin media or sky. Most I watch is the odd movie on Prime which I pay for by subscription. I have no way of recording as non of the above so I’ve unsubscribed to the licence. 15 quid a month goes towards my dogs funds for vet prescriptions. Times are hard time to get hard
i love how they just ASSUME you need a tv licence its pathetic my 69 year old mom received one yesterday she is ok with tech i just been going over how she can watch her soaps without tv licence even eastenders dont know why eastenders episodesmare normally on youtube few hours after broadcast so u can watch without licence point is i been showing my mom she can watch everything she loves on catch up not i player without tv licence and she had a goon last week come to door i was there and she just told him to bog off and shut door i was proud i just hate how they assume ur guilty its so wrong keep them coming jon
I did declare I didn’t need one and no refund was issued (9 months left on licence)I had a visit from 2 people a male and female ENFORCEMENT OFFICER……ha ha ha. I have adhd and have been terrified by these people. I just said no thank you and closed the door. Thank you Jon.
I've had five letters for this apartment and I only moved in two weeks ago. The first two letters were dated before the apartment was even completed in February and ready for occupation. They're getting desperate. Glad I have a shredder.
There just isn't anything worth watching on TV these days.
ha ha yes your right.
@@ColtDee You're right.
Repeats of programs and propaganda news. No chance ever paying it again.
Keep up the good & accurate work 👏 haha the BBC can go and whistle for funding! You are doing a great job of informing people in your videos.
Good man.
I've been licence-free for over two and a half years, received countless letters from them, but no visits. I have signed the no licence needed declaration twice (without including my real name). I don't watch or record anything that's being broadcast nor use BBC iPlayer and have saved over £300.
My house is a blackhole, anything that goes in, such as these letters never come out, no reaction, nothing. Nothing easier than doing nothing. Why on earth would you declare you don't do something...
I declared no license needed 2 years ago and last year as well. I will keep on doing it every year whether needing to or not. Haven't had any letters or visits. If they do happen to visit I will get my solicitor friend to send them a letter.
Send them a legal letter warning them to stop sending you letters. Hit them back with the letters, you're not breaking the law with anything to do with not having a licence
They cancelled my licence and I STILL get communications from them. You can’t make this stuff up.
Jon,I informed BBC Licensing 4 years ago I didn't need a licence. They emailed me back a few days later to confirm this.
Then the letters started ending up with the big red envelope one. Had a vist after the covid suspension.
I then contacted my MP and said I had been intimidated on my door step by demanding money with menaces. She agreed, she wrote to BBC and I haven't heard anything since.
I was selling a fridge freezer to a bloke that took my number in the pub. I haven't heard anything since.
I'm getting one a month. Thanks for info as I don't open them.
It will stop for 6 months tns then re start
as a protest , how could we gather all the letters and then leave them out side the jimmy savil bbc door step
Keep the letters and then send them back with no postage.
I stopped paying them after I realised they knew about savil
I noticed that my love letters from the BBC are more frequent too!
I haven't had a license for 19 years and still get letters after telling them over and over I haven't got a tv.
Remember: the default is you don't need a TV licence. You opt in, not out. The same as a firearm's licence.
... or a fishing licence, a driving licence, a pilot's licence, a canal boating licence, a water abstraction licence, an agricultural analysis licence, a bookmaker's licence, a cockling licence,
... or a fishing licence, a driving licence, a pilot's licence, a canal boating licence, a licence to dive at protected wrecks in Wales, a cockling licence, a bookmaker's licence, a scrap metal dealer's licence, a fireworks manufacturing and storage licence, an abstraction of water licence, a dangerous wild animals licence ...
Of all the dozens and dozens of licences which I might require for any one or more of a great many leisure or commercial activities in one or all nations of the UK, there is only one licenci g body which - with absolutely no evidence AT ALL - makes the assumption that I _must_ need said licence and proceeds to harangue me _continually_ and repeatedly over a period of years, about the penalties I face for my omission to own such a license _when I do not need said licence_ .
I watch what I like, not paid for years.
you don't need a license to watch live TV and bbc iplayer full stop. Been watching live TV and bbc iplayer for 2 years and nothing, no letters , no visits, nothing. It's a complete scam.
You only pay it if you want to.
Reason.. they go "scary" on these letters is they know they cant enforce it as they cant see what you are watching unless you tell them or let them in. So if the letter wrote you cant watch live tv LEGALLY without a licence, please buy one, people will know they can do it anyway. They cant detect you watching live TV, so their hands are tied and like the Police in the US Not able to "demand" ID without arrest, they push you into giving it against the law threatening with arrest if you dont give ID. In court defendant always winds a lawsuit. UK cant do anything with this licence mess now but send out letters and doorstops to get you to admit you are watching live tv without the licence. shut the door and theres nothing they can do by the law...
I dont care, they can threaten as much as they want, there is nothing on TV that i could be interested in thats worth a fraction of what they are charging!.
If any letter says legal occupier it's not specifically for you. I had loads when I moved into my flat.
I Live in a new build home, within 2-3 months they started the threatening letters and last week sent the enforcement officer whilst I was at work. The person left a note saying they will be back.
I've always filled in the declaration online and have never received any letters. They've just sent me a yearly email asking me to fill in the declaration again and I've noticed they seem to have changed the wording in the online declaration. Now it feels very confusing and I am certain it is deliberate to trick people into thinking they need a licence when they don't.
Had this one again last week, 3 rd time since i moved in February last year. As usual it went to line my cats litter tray
Had a visit last week told him to go away 😢
Pretty sure I've got the full set several times over now after 12 years of not paying for something I don't need....any other company would have been warned about harassment by now by the courts....
This needs to be stopped... especially as elderly people are likely to be extremely unsettled by these bullying letters...
I live with my autistic son so I did the no licence needed declaration as he would get upset from the letters arriving. We haven't watched live TV for over 4 years. I so far have had no visits. But my son is prepared now if one calls. Firstly he won't answer the door and if he does he will be polite and and say no thanks and close the door....
I did get the max fine 1000 twice,
Now I don't speak to them anymore, this guy speaks truth
Up the rebellion
I cancelled my payment. Threw the letters in the bin. Had one visit. Ignored the door. Nothing since. Winner winner
I had a visit other day just said no thanks and closed door - should I expect to hear more from them?
You might get a return visit, but for them it's a numbers game. The goons earn commission, so they can't waste time on a useless address.
If you like in a big town / city you stand more of a chance of a return visit at some point
@@ChilliJonCarne thanks for taking the time to reply it’s most appreciated and keep up the good work 👍
I’ve just just cancelled ours i think it’s a sinking ship now it’s dead hopefully and thank you for your help on this matter mate I’ll ways wach you channel keep up the good work fight mate form south Derbyshire
seen them all john , my latest one is, we have been authorised to visit your home ,still havent come round .but i have nothing to hide , have been lissence free for the 11th year , i dont watch any broadcast tv , its all shit ,
Thanks for your videos they help/aid others and us to breakthrough the fear barrier of not getting a TV licence!
for two years now at least, we have not bought a TV licence, YES, we do it legally, we even cut off the end of our aerial cable and taped over the bare end, so we don't watch BBCI player or BBC program channels, including broadcast/live TV we rather watch Netflix, Disney, Now TV, Amazon Prime, and downstream services, or DVD's Blu-ray disks, at first, we didn't feel totally comfortable/ confident early on but we stuck at it, if it's done legally then absolutely nothing to fear guys, now we don't even miss traditional broadcast TV believe me, it's not worth the licence fee, if you ask me personally.
So, we healthily jumped over the licensing obstacle of not needing a TV licence, however I heard further unsavory discussions that, they the BBC could try and put the TV licence fee on local council taxes, imagine Netflix or Sky trying that one, hmm and everybody will have to pay this weasel fee, possibly even the legally blind, who's to know these things?
That in my book would amount to a form of tasteless corruption and if done would demonstrate to everyone what kind of society we truly live in sadly, Jon-ChilliJonCarne any ideas on how to legally fight that one if it happens?
So, we jumped over these high obstacle of not needing a TV licence for now, however these discussions are ongoing hypothetically the BBC and the Government could try and put the TV licence fee on local council taxes is absolutely preposterous and shameful, supposably everybody will have to pay this weasel fee if it's brought onboard, a bit like histories window taxes demonstrate to everyone in this country what kind of real society we live in today, may I for one surely hope this plan is all 'balloon hot air' for now I say Jon, do you have any ideas on how to legally fight that one, if it comes to fruition it's a sneaky 'doozy' so I've asked twice?
Joh, you have my warmest respect.
I wrote to them and removed their implied right of access so they aren't allowed to come round my house. I don't have a TV in my house. I really hope they try and get a warrant so I can take them to court for harassment.
How do you remove their implied right of access and why would they have a right to access?
I am so lucky, I’ve filled in the online form for no licence needed, three times and I’ve never been bothered by a visit, threatening letter or letter about no licence registered at my address.
Mine will be on it’s way soon, thanks for the heads up Jon😮
It’s arrived!!!
I had filled in the "No T.V. license needed" form online 3 times over the last 6 years. This time i did not bother. I got 3 letters over about 3 months, then one unanswered visit from one of the boys. I have many cameras.Waited till i got another letter then filed in the "No T.V. needed" form online. Only this time i did not fill in my name. I do not watch TV in any way shape or form, it's something i lost interest in years ago. I still have a SKY dish just above my front door, my SKY subscription expired a good 20 years ago. As i give zero thought to TV I'm less likely to fill in any form next time.
I've had the very same letter. I photograph them and put them in my Facebook page. Usually get a few laughs from friends. They can keep them coming, it's not my licence money that's paying for all this bulls¥₩t.
Two years now since I had a Goon visit, unfortunately I was away so never had the pleasure of shutting my door on them!
My Mrs family got a letter saying investigation in the area. They asked me about it cause I got them to not pay a few years ago. They declared online and almost 2 years later they got that letter and the first thing I said was what investigation? they don't even have your name, what power? are they the law? They can't do anything and IF they appear don't say anything other than no thanks and close the door.
They have no power.
Really appreciate the video and yes I think it's a good thing to see what letters everyone gets, as individuals we are more likely to be in terminated by these letters but by showing they are Commonplace it is not such a scary thing, yes and BBC TV Licensing uses fear of financial loss or breaking law to get you to pay.
Got my first vistit today. The reptile said we need to have a look to take you off the system.
Hi. Just thought I would add my two penn'orth. I have just received my free TV licence and a refund . I have also had a reminder that I haven't paid my tv licence.
Just bought a house so told them I didn’t need a license and within 2 months had a letter stating that I had been “detected” watching live tv - despite house being unoccupied & uninhabitable during renovations
I got one of these today and with my mental health issues i found it very concerning! It caused me stress and alarm! I told them i dont need one! It took them a year to sort out this form about not having one and they never done it! So today i rang them and told them i dont want one!.
I had a goon from tv licensing put a letter through my door with info hand written in the boxes on the back. On the front it says in red " do not ignore this".
I wasn't in the property at the time but it says they will be back in 7 days. If I was in the property I would have told them get to f**k off my private property. I don't have a tv at the property and don't have the Internet there either and don't live at the property. Anyway, why should anyone have to pay a licence to watch independent tv stations and the money is given to the BBC!!!
I just ignore the B'stards.
Great channel.
I love how they have "WILL YOU BE HOME ON 'XXXXX DATE'
Not now I won't be! 😂
Hi ChilliJohn, was speaking to someone the other day and they absolutley tried to shoot me down in flames stating that you require a TV license just to own a TV set AND to cover the radio they have in their car,They were not having any of it,Is it any wonder the BBC are pocketing a fortune when ill advised people have this kind of mindset
March 2023. Politely phoned up to cancel. All well and good.
September 2023 the first harrassing/threatening letter arrived.
By December 2023 i had FIVE letters, the last threatening a visit 'on ar after 14th December at any time during the day, evening or weekend'.
And THAT is why I will NOT be telling them i don't need a licence again and will just slam the door in their harrassing F'n face.
I will treat them in the same way as they have treated me.
First mistake was telling them.. you don't need to... bin the letters or send to your mp asking why you are being harrasesed for services not used..
I've not had a letter from TV licensing for over 16 years since I had a visit, yet some people get loads of them, I feel abandoned.
Keep on making these videos Jon because it shows people how consistent you are with what you know - people can't ignore that despite whatever opinions they may hold!
24 years no licence, lived in two places, latest since 2013, lot of letters, no visit. But then i live in east london so they surely can't recruit anyone who would dare. Tip... make sure you don't use iplayer either, and make sure you do open letters from the state about voting etc to make sure you tick boxes for keeping your name off the visible electoral roll, so they can't address you by name
we should have all woke up by now , having been through the fear and scaring by MSM including BBC and Government about the virus
which was fake
They have been in my area for 20 + years!.Never aknowledged.
Who is paying the private company and how do they have access to the information? There are rules and this company should be investigated for unlawful harrassent. The information commissioner should ivestigate. What are the odds?
Thank you x they have started on me again. Just checking x ❤
I also live in a block of flats with a buzzer for the main door. I have lived there for 15 yrs and NO visits BUT I get a monthly Threat O Gram. I could get a free license as I'm 75 and on pension credits, but there is no point because I don't watch live TV and on the application form they want your previous TV license number which I can't remember because it was over 40 years ago since I've had one. I have wondered if I said I once watched BBC IPlayer, if they would take me to court, I have my doubts and if they did I would say I got confused and I actually watched it at a friends house who was licensed.
I noticed the bricks on your wall... They seem to be longer than the standard brick. Thanks for the video.
With the list of categories for needing a TV licence such as RUclips Netflix including commercial broadcasting companies that you can watch on a smart phone or PC, they still say you require a TV licence, such ambiguity should be illegal as it's nothing to do with the BBC, you are right, they will continue to strike fear into the public with the backing of the government through the back door avenue to pay up even when you don't need a licence, totally disgraceful.
Ano it’s shocking when these are subscription companies in themselves and nothing to do with TV licensing and the BBC. Same as itv which is funded by advertisements.
I have just moved into a new property, I have already had a letter, I must admit it does make me nervous. Even though the only thing I use the TV for is to play Xbox. But I am taking your advice and I will see where it leads me. The scare tactics they use are disguising.
Great channel.
Your advice is brilliant. I shall follow it. 😊
I've spoken to People who pay the tax and I've asked them why do you pay it?
No one has ever said that it is good value for Money. We don't want to get in any trouble, best to stay legal or we do watch East Enders.
I see Freely the latest tv service was launched yesterday which is backed by the bbc,ITV, ch4 and ch5. What really annoys me is in the press it's being described as a free service which is complete fabrication as you still need a licence to watch it.
Thanks for all your work Jon, keep em coming.
I have done the no licence needed declaration now for about 8 year's and I have never had a visit
Brilliant advice as ever. Thank you so much. I feel harassed with letters and door knocks, they're BBC bullies.
Never tell them you don’t need it. That could be used as evidence against you.
4 years licence free.. Just don't open the door, letters go in the bin.. If I do get caught out and open the door just say no thankyou shut the door...
Exactly, no need to be overly aggressive or rude, a simple no thank you or I am not interested then shutting the door is all that's needed.
After the first non declare two years ago without issues, I again declared in Jan 2024 I did not need a licence, this month April I got a letter saying 'something has changed and you need a TV licence' (they never said what the change was, then I got a second letter a few weeks after saying as I did not reply to the first letter an investigation has started. I think it just the usual trying to scare people into buying the licence.
Never communicate with them.
Four years me no licence I just regard their activities as purely childish. If people want to cancel they should do it, you've more to fear from the Bogey man under the bed.
Don't you risk getting jailtime and a criminal record ?
@@VictorLaszlo-iz3il They'd like you to think so but if you do as Chilli says and have no contact with them there's no risk. I've had goon visits their so called " enforcement officers" and they send me a meaningless threat letter every month which goes straight in the bin and where has it got them. Nowhere.
Whoever lived at that address they visited every 10 seconds must have got a bit p****d off.
Anyway, got that same letter myself a couple of weeks ago. It went straight in my green bin. Keep up the good work, CJ.
Apart from telling them the first time I stopped paying my licence, which was over three years ago, and getting a visit a little while later, I haven't filled in a two year declaration and I haven't had a single letter!! I'm a very lucky lady 😊
Back in the 1980's a case went to court in Glasgow for using a TV without a licence. The guy had found out that the governmt did not allow TV detector vans to operate in Northern Irteland. He screamed discrimination. The judge agreed and as a result all the detector vans were scrapped.
Got the same letter last week and put it back in the post with "Return to sender "
Living in a top floor flat, I'd be inclined to let them into the block and make their way to your actual front door before turning them around.
Hi there, just watched your video on receiving the TV Licence letter, mine was about the no licence needed, you have put my mind at rest. There's nothing good to watch on TV anyway only repeats same old same old, very boring. I have other hobbies to get on with. Thanks for your advice.
I cancelled my TV Licence about 8 years ago and I must admit when the first letter came through I was a bit worried. But watching you helped me a lot. Now, since I do everything on line I rarely get any mail. Well as I'm in my mid 70's I don't get to see many people. So it got to the point where I looked forward to getting their threatening letters. Because now I know the facts I must admit I get quite a laugh reading them and to see what new threats are in it. But for some reason I must have inadvertently upset them because I've never had a letter for months, I'm starting to miss them, I need a good laugh. Incidentally I've never had a visit from Heinrich Müllers goons. A girl did walk along the street posting the "we visited form" but before she could post it I gave her it back and she apologised and said she was hired to post these cards without knocking.
I got very upset when their goons failed to visit last month, I took the day off work just to be in and had 3 cameras all ready to record....
The bit about how many doors they knock on is ridiculous, 5000 a day works out if they do 12hrs around 420 every hour for the whole country, ether they are lazy or that's the number of doors that get opened to them. Your postman mostly delivers in a single morning to more doors in one day.
Well done Jon keep it up !
I also seem to be getting letters more frequently lately.
My latest letter has a section at the bottom that alerting me that they can "apply for a court for a search warrant to gain access to my property"
In a red box at the bottom entitled " A reminder of the law" , it says let us know you don't need one at ...
They really should be fined for claiming these as facts.
I get letters all the time, nobody comes, I tend not to answer the door generally anyway, but when they threaten I wait and nothing. I don't watch any BBC I don't even watch live motor sports on RUclips, so I am not breaking any laws, but they are idle threats, nothing ever happens on the days they say they are coming.