I got a USB version over a year ago and it has been hammered Used all day and every day writing two books and doing other things on the machine. Thus far very satisfied, lettering on the keys is just printed on and a couple have worn off a bit (V B and N because I do a lot of graphics work so I spend a lot of time using the trackpoint). Mine could do with a taller trackpoint cover, on mine it is a bit low so I sometimes catch one of the surrounding letters. Trackpoint is very usable, I now prefer them to a mouse or trackball and they are of course way better than the scratch pads.
I bought this model back in April. Overall I would recommend. Pros: Excellent keyboard Trackpoint (if you're accustomed to it) Battery life Compactness Solid connection with Bluetooth Cons: No backlight One of the plastic tabs that raise the keyboard broke off (not due to any abuse) Scrolling is not the same as on the their laptops, which I prefer
same here all 2 palstic tabs broke of each of my two keyboards, thinking this is an material failure ore a construction failure. but you can use it wth out that tabs raised as well.
@@jurig5579 Sadly after over 5 years of constant use some of the keys stopped registering, seems like the contacts worn out. Now I'm back using the WASD
Oh I missed this video! I am so happy they are once again making the trackpad pointer keyboards again. I have an older IBM one and after IBM sold out I could only get a black one and desktops were white back then. Once you start using these things you realize how inefficient it is to keep moving your hand off the keyboard to have to use a mouse. I am getting one!!! You made my day. Thanks for another great video with important tips included -as always, of course. Have a happy day too.
i am using the original bluetooth thinkpad keyboard from early 2010s, still working perfectly. this keyboard has very nice key travel, similar to the depth of the T series keyboard. I personally think the external thinkpad keyboard is better than the entry level thinkpad laptop keyboards such as the L14 I am using primarily due to the deeper key travel.
I almost bought the previous version but I was on a tight budget and bought a compact wired keyboard for half the price instead. I wish I had got the ThinkPad keyboard because I really miss scrolling with the trackpoint.
I wish there was a track nub mod kit for the Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard. Imagine having that little red bad boy right in the middle in that big open space between the left and right separation.
It does look amazing for productivity, not having to move hands from keyboard to mouse. I wish it was cheaper tho 👀 But for a one time purchase, these sturdy things are good deals apparently
On my ThinkPad, I actually don't use the TrackPoint, but I use the discrete right-click button more than two-finger clicking or clicking on the bottom right corner of the trackpad.
Agreed. And on the battery part, I don't get people calling replaceable standard-size battery as a negative when that rechargable battery will deteriorate over time. I've read about people who bought Airpods day one and they now hold significantly less charge. And when the juice ran out, just swap with a spare you carry and get going.
Lon, I have the wired version of this keyboard and its my favorite to type with, but it drives me insane that its not backlit! Also wouldn't mind if they had the touchpad along with the touch point. I like both for different programs
@@RafQ321 Yeah, my ThinkPad dosen't have a backlight or thinklight, although I can still type fine on it in the dark. I've never owned a desktop keyboard with a backlight, and i've owned a lot of desktop keyboards.
@@hectorcanizales5900 it's useful doing data entry or when programming in the dark. Just a little function that helps. It also helps those who might be a bit older/impaired by giving another visual cue. It's dissapointing they made this non-backlit. I'd buy it immediately, cause I love working in the dark and sometimes I find myself looking down.
@@hectorcanizales5900 there is already the tex yoda keyboard. Currently out of stock however and costs up to 200 dollars which is insane. Just want a small compact chiclet keyboard with a trackpad and backlit ffs 🤣🤣 Also I'm really good at typing trust me. But since I'm still learning javascript I might need to glance where the symbols are. Ofcouse my muscle memory is going to build up. But it would be very helpful just to have backlight in the dark. Plus it looks cool I guess? I hope Lenovo goes for it and makes that tiny upgrade to their compact keyboard.
I bought this one sold it,this is one of the best keyboard, but because travel is too short that makes my finger painful when I was really busy on work, because I would type harder when I busier, but typing experience is really good if you are not typing hard
How do you feel about armrest length? It looks bit too short to be comfortable to use trackpoint for longer periods of time. Also have you tested if it works as USB-HID device when plugged in? From this video I got impression that it doesn't, but I'd suspect that it does. Really shame if it doesn't as that would rule out some special use case scenarios which could come handy for power users.
@@jothain armrest is a bit short. But I'm not really bothered since I don't use it for several hours. What you mean exactly by using it as USB HID? You mean use it / connect via USB cable? Unfortunately it doesn't work. The USB is for charging only. I just tested it before replying to you. Only works via the USB wireless connection or bluetooth. But it won't work directly via USB port. Also I don't like where the FN key is located. I keep pressing that instead of Ctrl. They should have placed the FN key elsewhere. Nevertheless, it is convenient though. Especially for android phones.
@@hardwarevsgaming Yeah, that's just what I was going for, that if it works with USB-cable only. Bit of a shame as I was looking into that this might be perfect for my workshop where space to use is limited and it would stay stationary for virtually all the time. Wouldn't have to care about charging etc. I wonder if there's somewhere software/hardware option to change that FN-key function. In Lenovo's laptops you can usually change FN-key and Ctrl locations between. You also have indeed valid point for that length of armrest that it might not be big of an issue either for me as usage would generally be in quite short periods. Huge thanks for testing that USB cable and I really appreciate answering. Good weekend there.
@@jothain no prob. 👍 I'm also reviewing this but going for the "long term review" route. But overall, it's good. But definitely not for all. There are a lot of small form factor KBs. I don't have any specific KB I can think of right now, but pretty sure there is 1 or 2 that would suit your specific case.
@@hardwarevsgaming I have MS's and Logitech K(400?) touchpad keyboards, but I'd like to see more of the trackpoint style boards. It's just more accurate for something like CAD usage.
I really want that but with a full track pad. Take the gen3 x1 tablet keyboard cover and add a battery, BT5, and usb c. My custom made version isn't ideal.
I love Lenovo nub/nipple/trackpoints. Such an excellent design, although a backlight would be great. I absolutely love the feel and build quality of Thinkpad products but they are just way too overpriced/expensive. 😔 I wish other companies would launch thinkpad competitors. Something like a Dell/HP/Acer/Asus/Apple “insight”-line time price undercut thinkpad products
I have this keyboard. The most annoying thing about it is the print screen button in between the right alt and ctrl. I tend to press it all the time. It's not supposed to be there. No other keyboard has print screen in this spot.
I got this keyboard after refusing to buy another ms pro cover which i gave to my colleague as a new one is over priced. This keyboard as of typing is also pretty expensive too. However, I think its still cheaper than the microsoft pro keyboards which are even more over priced. For this keyboard, I am able to prop my surface pro at neck height which is quite useful to my posture
You mentioned at 2:50 you tried it with your Mac but you only showed a Windows PC, iPad and Android TV. Did the brightness and volume keys work on the Mac? Were there any issue with scrolling like trying to open links like it did on the iPad?
Oh man. I love it! But now that I have a MacBook again, I use my Mac Connected to my monitor and I use the laptop keyboard and trackpad. I love the Lenovo knob, but nothing is better than a Mac trackpad
6:30, you can disable the ability of the middle button to open hyperlinks while mainting the ability to scroll. (only on windows, can partially disable on linux)
I would love to see one of these in their 96 key format. that was my favorite version of the thinkpad laptop. smaller than full size, but gives you all the keys you need.
7:02 - very strange. I saw another video with exactly the same keyboard and iPad. And there, the volume and brightness keys worked perfectly. And one of the F-keys (I think F10) could even invoke multitasking mode.
I think you have to tap Fn first to get it to work; I've never had an issue with the volume or brightness keys at all. I was very happy with this purchase, and outside learning Windows key=Command, it's a fine Mac keyboard for sure.
The old versions of the keyboard were much better, but stopped working as drivers were not available. The new ones like the one you reviewed work great, but the feet on the back break often.
The price tag is too steep, I can't help but to think if I can get Logitech 400 Plus for 17-25 dollars why would I spend 85-100? That is 4x the price, even if I add an expensive KVM switch for 50 dollars, still cheaper.
@Joseph Sakata Agree very true, Logitech should push their line to Bluetooth too. There are other third party brand makes Bluetooth keyboard touch pad with still way less the money. 100 dollars is just too much.
@@markh8901 you are correct on that. I will not spend on that kind of prices for normal wireless keyboard. Gaming keyboard are a different story and great at $80 and upward in prices.
I wish everyone who makes a video about any keyboard actually stopped talking (or stfu) for several seconds, so we can listen to the sound of the keys. You can always listen to a great keyboard.
I loved this keyboard. But I can no longer recommend it. Mine broke after less than 3 months. It was used gently on a table and not moved around. But the leg broke and Lenovo refused to honour the warranty. They said it was classed as user damage. I cannot stress enough that I treated this keyboard lightly. Looking online I am not the first person this has happened to and had the same response from Lenovo. I simply can't recommend this keyboard because I believe it has a design fault on the leg.
You did not show the iPad Bluetooth pairing process. When I try to pair with my iPad a message pops up on the iPad asking me to enter a six-number code into the keyboard. There is no text box to show my entry is being recorded. And guess what? It isn’t. I’ve been screwing around for a half hour trying to solve the mystery of how to enter the numbers so they will be recorded (I assume on the iPad.) Nothing works. The keyboard shows up on the iPad’s Bluetooth devices list so it should at least be paired, but I cannot unpair or disconnect it, and it will not connect. So thanks for nothing.
The driver for this keyboard is absolutely horrible---particularly the Trackpoint. Tried in on 3 workstations and has the same problems with all 3: 1. Many apps will not scroll properly, or intermittently. (e.g. Foxit Reader) 2. Trackpoint stops working altogether 3. Icons showing the state (e.g. All caps) will stay on the screen. 4. Icons showing the state appear in different areas. Some appear in bottom center, some on the bottom right, sometimes wherever it damn well feels like it. 5. Trackpoint hangs altogether 6. FnLock indication will cease. LED will stop illuminating even though it's in that state. Or maybe it just forgot what state it's in. There is no support for this product, and Lenovo does not recognize the SN.
Exactly! I also have a bad impression of the driver, which does not install at all on any of my old laptops with Windows 7, 32-bit. I wrote about it on Reddit. You can find my post by entering a Google search query like this: Reddit Lenovo Support does not consider the Lenovo ThinkPad TrackPoint Keyboard II And I have the same complaint about the fact that this keyboard is not found by the serial number on the Lenovo website, which means that you can not contact Support.
@@MichaelSt Because *Lenovo itself declares Windows 7* support on their website for the driver of this keyboard. And, by the way, since then Lenovo has already released an update in August and now everything works in Windows 7. That's why I expected "3rd party companies to still give support for old OS".
i've one that is similar, the most missing things is the touchpad, i dont undestand why there isnt the touchpad, the best keyboard is the keyboard of the thinkpad laptop with touchpad, why there is not also in this item for desktop ? grgrgr...
I think I'll just stick to using my laptop under a 34" ultrawide LCD e.g., but I wonder what could I do to make the laptop screen not interfere with keyboard depth on the desk.
@@YounesLayachi I am not sure you got my (rather flimsy I believe) mental shortcut. I meant I could just use my laptop under an external monitor, but I would like the laptop's keyboard to be quite deep on the desk as I like my forearms to rest firmly on the desk when typing. Then there the laptop's screen comes into play - it can be opened up to any degree
Is this carbon made? I really see a difference in feeling between Trackpoint keyboard I and the one on my Lenovo x1 carbon. I'm really looking for some keyboard with the same feeling.
Hi, great video. I have a question, I hope you can still be able to answer it. Is it possbile to link this keyboard to a desktop using the dongle and to an Android tablet using blueetooth at the same time, so I can swap between devices quickly?
Definitely! Have the dongle connected to my monitor so it works with the keyboard on my main Mac/PCs, and use the Bluetooth on multiple devices with no issue at all.
Keyboard is cheap, falls apart easily, but priced like its higher end. I like the nub and mouse keys accessible by thumb, but its not really worth it for that.
i bought this keyboard for my ipad pro and as i remember, i was able to control at least backlight via function buttons. maybe try to hold Fn key? however, i didnt use it that much. it was annoying to look for it everytime i wanted to type on my ipad.
Chicklet style keys makes this product undesirable in my opinion. I can spend 12 dollars & get a Rii keyboard (chicklet style) & mouse that have been going strong for more than 2 years now & have had the AAA batteries replaced once so far. I'll get a crayon and write "Lenova" on it & call it a day.
@@MichaelSt Update: My cheap Rii wireless keyboard no longer works. Mouse works fine though oddly enough. I agree, wireless keyboards have trash trackpads. I have an old IBM Thinkpad that has the trackpoint & it's functional, just not comfortable for me.
Problems ive had using this 1) i keep reaching for the mouse. (need to put my mouse away until i develop habit of using the pointer) 2) would like to see a full size version with number pad, extra buttons for pause, play, volume...
there is plenty of full size keyboard. beauty of that design is compact of size and no unneeded keys. In the past there was even better - wired version of that keyboard.
@@pleban please share. the only full size keyboards with a trackpoint like device (not a touchpad) are the $300 USD high end boutique units. What keywords under say $175 have the thinkpad trackpoint like feature?
@@damnhatesyou Yeah, it's quite of an preference thing. That in mind, that wouldn't be big thing for Lenovo to implement in future models for usage friendliness. Could easily have both options and it wouldn't hinder the other option in any way.
@@jothain I have a Dell XPS 13 the page up and page down in the same location. I always hit them. I plan on learning vim so I don't have to deal with them.
Appreciate your retro background too
I got a USB version over a year ago and it has been hammered Used all day and every day writing two books and doing other things on the machine. Thus far very satisfied, lettering on the keys is just printed on and a couple have worn off a bit (V B and N because I do a lot of graphics work so I spend a lot of time using the trackpoint). Mine could do with a taller trackpoint cover, on mine it is a bit low so I sometimes catch one of the surrounding letters. Trackpoint is very usable, I now prefer them to a mouse or trackball and they are of course way better than the scratch pads.
I bought this model back in April. Overall I would recommend.
Pros:
Excellent keyboard
Trackpoint (if you're accustomed to it)
Battery life
Compactness
Solid connection with Bluetooth
Cons:
No backlight
One of the plastic tabs that raise the keyboard broke off (not due to any abuse)
Scrolling is not the same as on the their laptops, which I prefer
same here all 2 palstic tabs broke of each of my two keyboards, thinking this is an material failure ore a construction failure.
but you can use it wth out that tabs raised as well.
I have the previous version of this one, I love it. I prefer it over my mechanical keyboard for programming and work.
Which one mechanical KB do you have? I'm just thinking about switching from HHKB to this one
@@jurig5579 I have a Wasd V3 with cherry reds
@@Armadurapersonal so after this time Lenovo keyboard is still your favourite ?
@@jurig5579 Sadly after over 5 years of constant use some of the keys stopped registering, seems like the contacts worn out. Now I'm back using the WASD
Ive got a tex shinobi, best of both worlds. Mechanical keyboard and has the classic thinkpad layout.
I love this keyboard! Have had it for more than 6 months already and it works great, no more neck & back pains. Though not as good as T480 keyboard.
Hi. :) So, what do you think is the difference with T480?
Oh I missed this video! I am so happy they are once again making the trackpad pointer keyboards again. I have an older IBM one and after IBM sold out I could only get a black one and desktops were white back then. Once you start using these things you realize how inefficient it is to keep moving your hand off the keyboard to have to use a mouse. I am getting one!!! You made my day. Thanks for another great video with important tips included -as always, of course. Have a happy day too.
i am using the original bluetooth thinkpad keyboard from early 2010s, still working perfectly. this keyboard has very nice key travel, similar to the depth of the T series keyboard. I personally think the external thinkpad keyboard is better than the entry level thinkpad laptop keyboards such as the L14 I am using primarily due to the deeper key travel.
I almost bought the previous version but I was on a tight budget and bought a compact wired keyboard for half the price instead. I wish I had got the ThinkPad keyboard because I really miss scrolling with the trackpoint.
Ok... ordering this NOW!
This keyboard is good...the only problem with KEYBOARD it the "CRTL" key location, it's not on the right position like all other standard keyboard....
I wish there was a track nub mod kit for the Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard. Imagine having that little red bad boy right in the middle in that big open space between the left and right separation.
It does look amazing for productivity, not having to move hands from keyboard to mouse. I wish it was cheaper tho 👀
But for a one time purchase, these sturdy things are good deals apparently
Ooooh it's because Bluetooth. I see, that explains the price. Makes it very appealing actually !!!
On my ThinkPad, I actually don't use the TrackPoint, but I use the discrete right-click button more than two-finger clicking or clicking on the bottom right corner of the trackpad.
You guys are going to make me want to learn to use that trackpoint.
Once you do, you are not going back.
80 to 100 without back light is a no go.
but the trackpoint... eeeh.
Learn to touch type.
Then you will never need a backlight ever again...
@@RFLCPTR no. Lol
Why would you need a trackpoint keyboard if you don't know how to touch type, lol
The lack of replaceable battery and USB wired mode is a bummer. Might check out a gen 2
Agreed.
And on the battery part, I don't get people calling replaceable standard-size battery as a negative when that rechargable battery will deteriorate over time.
I've read about people who bought Airpods day one and they now hold significantly less charge.
And when the juice ran out, just swap with a spare you carry and get going.
This is so cool. Ordering this right now to go with my work Thinkpad T590! Thanks for the review.
Lon, I have the wired version of this keyboard and its my favorite to type with, but it drives me insane that its not backlit! Also wouldn't mind if they had the touchpad along with the touch point. I like both for different programs
I was thinking of getting one of these, but I would need backlit and the trackpad.
@@fredericom2650 learn typing without looking, nowadays lack of this ability is like lack of ability to handwrite ...
@@RafQ321 Yeah, my ThinkPad dosen't have a backlight or thinklight, although I can still type fine on it in the dark. I've never owned a desktop keyboard with a backlight, and i've owned a lot of desktop keyboards.
Is there provision available to switch/swap Fn and CTRL keys mutually?
Guess I'll have to wait for another year when they decide to put backlit into it.
Never had backlit on any keyboard. And I am typing US ANSI layout, German layout and Russian... Backlit is just for fun, not so much useful.
@@umka7536 yeah, I agree. I would just recommend learning/practicing touch typing to get better at typing without looking at the keyboard.
@@hectorcanizales5900 it's useful doing data entry or when programming in the dark.
Just a little function that helps. It also helps those who might be a bit older/impaired by giving another visual cue.
It's dissapointing they made this non-backlit. I'd buy it immediately, cause I love working in the dark and sometimes I find myself looking down.
@@PsycosisIncarnated seems like a good argument, maybe there'll be modding guides in the future.
@@hectorcanizales5900 there is already the tex yoda keyboard. Currently out of stock however and costs up to 200 dollars which is insane. Just want a small compact chiclet keyboard with a trackpad and backlit ffs 🤣🤣
Also I'm really good at typing trust me. But since I'm still learning javascript I might need to glance where the symbols are. Ofcouse my muscle memory is going to build up. But it would be very helpful just to have backlight in the dark. Plus it looks cool I guess?
I hope Lenovo goes for it and makes that tiny upgrade to their compact keyboard.
love thinkpad but no backlight, no deal
I bought this one sold it,this is one of the best keyboard, but because travel is too short that makes my finger painful when I was really busy on work, because I would type harder when I busier, but typing experience is really good if you are not typing hard
I have this one and it's very convenient. Using it with my test system. I just hope there's an obvious battery life indicator 👍
How do you feel about armrest length? It looks bit too short to be comfortable to use trackpoint for longer periods of time. Also have you tested if it works as USB-HID device when plugged in? From this video I got impression that it doesn't, but I'd suspect that it does. Really shame if it doesn't as that would rule out some special use case scenarios which could come handy for power users.
@@jothain armrest is a bit short. But I'm not really bothered since I don't use it for several hours. What you mean exactly by using it as USB HID? You mean use it / connect via USB cable? Unfortunately it doesn't work. The USB is for charging only. I just tested it before replying to you. Only works via the USB wireless connection or bluetooth. But it won't work directly via USB port. Also I don't like where the FN key is located. I keep pressing that instead of Ctrl. They should have placed the FN key elsewhere. Nevertheless, it is convenient though. Especially for android phones.
@@hardwarevsgaming Yeah, that's just what I was going for, that if it works with USB-cable only. Bit of a shame as I was looking into that this might be perfect for my workshop where space to use is limited and it would stay stationary for virtually all the time. Wouldn't have to care about charging etc. I wonder if there's somewhere software/hardware option to change that FN-key function. In Lenovo's laptops you can usually change FN-key and Ctrl locations between. You also have indeed valid point for that length of armrest that it might not be big of an issue either for me as usage would generally be in quite short periods. Huge thanks for testing that USB cable and I really appreciate answering. Good weekend there.
@@jothain no prob. 👍 I'm also reviewing this but going for the "long term review" route. But overall, it's good. But definitely not for all. There are a lot of small form factor KBs. I don't have any specific KB I can think of right now, but pretty sure there is 1 or 2 that would suit your specific case.
@@hardwarevsgaming I have MS's and Logitech K(400?) touchpad keyboards, but I'd like to see more of the trackpoint style boards. It's just more accurate for something like CAD usage.
I really want that but with a full track pad. Take the gen3 x1 tablet keyboard cover and add a battery, BT5, and usb c. My custom made version isn't ideal.
What a coincidence ! This product caught my attention literally _today_ :D
I love Lenovo nub/nipple/trackpoints. Such an excellent design, although a backlight would be great. I absolutely love the feel and build quality of Thinkpad products but they are just way too overpriced/expensive. 😔
I wish other companies would launch thinkpad competitors. Something like a Dell/HP/Acer/Asus/Apple “insight”-line time price undercut thinkpad products
There's a reason why no one else has that nub.
@@Raison_d-etre actually dell and HP have the nub on their business class notebooks, however in slightly different design.
@@Raison_d-etre the patent for touchstick expired like 2017
That keyboard has a cult following, dam nice to see it as a wireless device. Honestly its not for me but I know people who will buy ten of these.
I have this keyboard. The most annoying thing about it is the print screen button in between the right alt and ctrl. I tend to press it all the time. It's not supposed to be there. No other keyboard has print screen in this spot.
I have it on x1 carbon gen 7. But it is hard to press since I have a palm rest.
Would love a full review of the TEX Shinobi which is in that space.
It's possible to change Ctrl and Fn by software?
I havent seen those in a while. But i do like the track point (used it heavily on rhe lap top ). Really convinient way of handling mouse manouvering.
This on a pi 400 would be perfect
Why the 400? Why buy a keyboard version of a Pi4 and then buy a keyboard for the keyboard???
@@MichaelReineke that wasn't what I meant, I was trying to say that a pi 400 based on this keyword would be ideal
@@seadx6 Ahhhh, okay, that makes more sense.
I got this keyboard after refusing to buy another ms pro cover which i gave to my colleague as a new one is over priced. This keyboard as of typing is also pretty expensive too. However, I think its still cheaper than the microsoft pro keyboards which are even more over priced. For this keyboard, I am able to prop my surface pro at neck height which is quite useful to my posture
You mentioned at 2:50 you tried it with your Mac but you only showed a Windows PC, iPad and Android TV. Did the brightness and volume keys work on the Mac? Were there any issue with scrolling like trying to open links like it did on the iPad?
i love the thinkpad keyboard, i'm in love with it... but the price is outrageous...
Oh man. I love it! But now that I have a MacBook again, I use my Mac Connected to my monitor and I use the laptop keyboard and trackpad. I love the Lenovo knob, but nothing is better than a Mac trackpad
6:30, you can disable the ability of the middle button to open hyperlinks while mainting the ability to scroll. (only on windows, can partially disable on linux)
Can you use it wired through the USB C cable connected to your PC?
I would love to see one of these in their 96 key format. that was my favorite version of the thinkpad laptop. smaller than full size, but gives you all the keys you need.
After installation "thinkpad keyboard driver" using of scroll mode with central button will be more comfortable!
Hello, I have a question. Can I plug in a USB c cable from my pc and use it wiredly? Thanks!
7:02 - very strange. I saw another video with exactly the same keyboard and iPad. And there, the volume and brightness keys worked perfectly. And one of the F-keys (I think F10) could even invoke multitasking mode.
I think you have to tap Fn first to get it to work; I've never had an issue with the volume or brightness keys at all. I was very happy with this purchase, and outside learning Windows key=Command, it's a fine Mac keyboard for sure.
I love the background!
The old versions of the keyboard were much better, but stopped working as drivers were not available. The new ones like the one you reviewed work great, but the feet on the back break often.
The price tag is too steep, I can't help but to think if I can get Logitech 400 Plus for 17-25 dollars why would I spend 85-100? That is 4x the price, even if I add an expensive KVM switch for 50 dollars, still cheaper.
@Joseph Sakata Agree very true, Logitech should push their line to Bluetooth too. There are other third party brand makes Bluetooth keyboard touch pad with still way less the money. 100 dollars is just too much.
@@markh8901 you are correct on that. I will not spend on that kind of prices for normal wireless keyboard. Gaming keyboard are a different story and great at $80 and upward in prices.
Yeah it might be worth it to get it used down the road.
Isn't it working in USB-HID mode when USB-cable is plugged in? Bit shame if that's the case.
I always use wireless keyboard and mouse. But I’m going back to wire key and mouse from the Lenovo.
I have one from about a decade ago. I’m gonna see if it will work with my tablet
I wish everyone who makes a video about any keyboard actually stopped talking (or stfu) for several seconds, so we can listen to the sound of the keys. You can always listen to a great keyboard.
I loved this keyboard. But I can no longer recommend it. Mine broke after less than 3 months. It was used gently on a table and not moved around. But the leg broke and Lenovo refused to honour the warranty. They said it was classed as user damage. I cannot stress enough that I treated this keyboard lightly. Looking online I am not the first person this has happened to and had the same response from Lenovo. I simply can't recommend this keyboard because I believe it has a design fault on the leg.
Hi Lon, thanks for this great review! Do you know if the mapping on the function and control keys is reversible?
This is amazing for programming.
You did not show the iPad Bluetooth pairing process. When I try to pair with my iPad a message pops up on the iPad asking me to enter a six-number code into the keyboard. There is no text box to show my entry is being recorded. And guess what? It isn’t. I’ve been screwing around for a half hour trying to solve the mystery of how to enter the numbers so they will be recorded (I assume on the iPad.) Nothing works. The keyboard shows up on the iPad’s Bluetooth devices list so it should at least be paired, but I cannot unpair or disconnect it, and it will not connect. So thanks for nothing.
can i use the cable to have it connect to a computer withOUT any wireless being used?
No but they do make a wired version
You can't swap fn and ctrl key with this keyboard
The driver for this keyboard is absolutely horrible---particularly the Trackpoint. Tried in on 3 workstations and has the same problems with all 3:
1. Many apps will not scroll properly, or intermittently. (e.g. Foxit Reader)
2. Trackpoint stops working altogether
3. Icons showing the state (e.g. All caps) will stay on the screen.
4. Icons showing the state appear in different areas. Some appear in bottom center, some on the bottom right, sometimes wherever it damn well feels like it.
5. Trackpoint hangs altogether
6. FnLock indication will cease. LED will stop illuminating even though it's in that state. Or maybe it just forgot what state it's in.
There is no support for this product, and Lenovo does not recognize the SN.
Exactly! I also have a bad impression of the driver, which does not install at all on any of my old laptops with Windows 7, 32-bit. I wrote about it on Reddit. You can find my post by entering a Google search query like this:
Reddit Lenovo Support does not consider the Lenovo ThinkPad TrackPoint Keyboard II
And I have the same complaint about the fact that this keyboard is not found by the serial number on the Lenovo website, which means that you can not contact Support.
@@Oleg__ Microsoft stopped support for win 7, why would you expect 3rd party companies to still give support for old OS?
@@MichaelSt Because *Lenovo itself declares Windows 7* support on their website for the driver of this keyboard. And, by the way, since then Lenovo has already released an update in August and now everything works in Windows 7. That's why I expected "3rd party companies to still give support for old OS".
Could you swap fn and ctrl? Thank you for your answer.
No. Besides, if you could, I'm sure it would forget.
HI there,
You didnt test the wired mode. Does it work in the wired mode ?
if this was backlit the batterylife would be >90% shorter - guess who's gonna complain about short battery life then?
Can you test endurapro keyboard? It has mechanical switches and it is made in the same factory where IBM made his keyboards.
Perfect for TV or setop or nvidia shield
Just bought one from your link.
Please Lenovo make a version of this with a touchpad!
i've one that is similar, the most missing things is the touchpad, i dont undestand why there isnt the touchpad, the best keyboard is the keyboard of the thinkpad laptop with touchpad, why there is not also in this item for desktop ? grgrgr...
This thing is £160 in the UK now, almost $200.
Lon, if you like this then check out the Tex Shinobi. It’s similar to this but it’s a mechanical keyboard with Cherry MX switches. Very very nice.
Are there variants with touch pad too , like the laptops ?
I think I'll just stick to using my laptop under a 34" ultrawide LCD e.g., but I wonder what could I do to make the laptop screen not interfere with keyboard depth on the desk.
@@OYeahan how does it interfere with keyboard depth ?
@@YounesLayachi I am not sure you got my (rather flimsy I believe) mental shortcut. I meant I could just use my laptop under an external monitor, but I would like the laptop's keyboard to be quite deep on the desk as I like my forearms to rest firmly on the desk when typing. Then there the laptop's screen comes into play - it can be opened up to any degree
@@OYeahan ok got it.
Is this carbon made? I really see a difference in feeling between Trackpoint keyboard I and the one on my Lenovo x1 carbon. I'm really looking for some keyboard with the same feeling.
Hi, great video. I have a question, I hope you can still be able to answer it. Is it possbile to link this keyboard to a desktop using the dongle and to an Android tablet using blueetooth at the same time, so I can swap between devices quickly?
Definitely! Have the dongle connected to my monitor so it works with the keyboard on my main Mac/PCs, and use the Bluetooth on multiple devices with no issue at all.
get tex shinobi if you can afford it. only problem with it : not backlit.
Hi. Does the keyboard have a CapsLock LED indicator?
I wander how to turn the function keys off on this keyboard.
Keyboard is cheap, falls apart easily, but priced like its higher end. I like the nub and mouse keys accessible by thumb, but its not really worth it for that.
how to charge this thing? is it safe if I use my phone charger?
can you control the brightness of your macbook? do you know if you can switch ctrl and fn keys
i need the MSDS of this keyboard. Lenovo site does not help. Can anyone assist me? does anyone know what is the battery model?
Damn! No back light is a deal breaker.
This or Logitech MX Keys, sir?
I love my Lenovo PCs and laptops, but I've never been a fan of the nub.
i bought this keyboard for my ipad pro and as i remember, i was able to control at least backlight via function buttons. maybe try to hold Fn key? however, i didnt use it that much. it was annoying to look for it everytime i wanted to type on my ipad.
Which one better compared to Logitech MX keys mini?
So you can use this keyboard on 2 devices as long as you move the BT/dongle switch?
yep
You have to sell this to me.
Can I use it with macbook m1?
I'd love to get this keyboard, but I can't justify the purchase when my Logitech K380 is working perfectly for less than half the price...
a Thinkpad keyboard that is not backlit!?
next up: a Thinkpad keyboard without a Trackpoint :(
it is 100% the same thing as the wired one and i do not know why would someone pay almost double that money as the wired one
$89.99 is not that expensive when you compare to the apple magic keyboard
Chicklet style keys makes this product undesirable in my opinion. I can spend 12 dollars & get a Rii keyboard (chicklet style) & mouse that have been going strong for more than 2 years now & have had the AAA batteries replaced once so far. I'll get a crayon and write "Lenova" on it & call it a day.
85 to 100 bucks?.. Fck man, people really do buy stuff because of the name on it.
Nah, I couldn’t care less about the brand, it’s just that it seems like a good solution as all wireless keyboards have shitty trackpads.
@@MichaelSt Update: My cheap Rii wireless keyboard no longer works. Mouse works fine though oddly enough. I agree, wireless keyboards have trash trackpads. I have an old IBM Thinkpad that has the trackpoint & it's functional, just not comfortable for me.
is using on my thighs is fine ? or it will be and experience
Warning: if you break one of the little fold out legs, Lenovo does not offer a replacement part so you’re just out of luck.
Can we switch Fn and Ctrl on this Keyboard?
You don’t know how the middle key works.
I love it................But it's expensive
Didnt compare with an actual thinkpad laptop keyboard
It looks like a headless Thinkpad
Problems ive had using this 1) i keep reaching for the mouse. (need to put my mouse away until i develop habit of using the pointer) 2) would like to see a full size version with number pad, extra buttons for pause, play, volume...
there is plenty of full size keyboard. beauty of that design is compact of size and no unneeded keys. In the past there was even better - wired version of that keyboard.
@@pleban please share. the only full size keyboards with a trackpoint like device (not a touchpad) are the $300 USD high end boutique units. What keywords under say $175 have the thinkpad trackpoint like feature?
The location of the page up and page down buttons is dreadful
Imo it's actually one of the best locations to have in modern compact layouts. They're really easy to hit "blind".
@@jothain I would do fn+up and fn+down for page up and down.
@@damnhatesyou Yeah, it's quite of an preference thing. That in mind, that wouldn't be big thing for Lenovo to implement in future models for usage friendliness. Could easily have both options and it wouldn't hinder the other option in any way.
@@jothain I have a Dell XPS 13 the page up and page down in the same location. I always hit them. I plan on learning vim so I don't have to deal with them.
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