Fake News the marines do not use bad KM they use MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program) an CQB. Most military and military special forces do not use KM. That is pure marketing propaganda.
Hi, I agree with what you say. I have done Krav Maga for about 4 years now and have just started MMA. They are very different, true Krav Maga teaches to move forward aggressively and fight until the fight is finished. Provided Krav people don't think they're an ultimate fighting machine and that it has very real limitations then it should work fine, it is meant for the real world after all. For fighting in the ring, Krav doesn't teach how to fight effectively for that situation and I'm learning a lot from MMA. The downside of MMA is that it doesn't teach the basics of movement for multiple attackers or weapons. While I agree that nothing can fully prepare you for an attack with weapons I do think it's better to have a game-plan than none at all. Great talk and it's good to see you have an open mindset.
Martin Pratchett it doesn’t always teach to move forward, it often teaches to run, something MMA doesn’t. Also, teaches to focus at all costs to stay to the outside of multiple attackers, a very useful practice that’s saved me twice.
cheers Martin I agreed with the rest of your original post too which also made good points and was interesting to hear the contrast and transition you made.
I took 6 months of krav maga training in Poland about 10 years ago. Not much, but i can tell you something we did/ From the "philosophy" standpoint, there was no, they said upfront, that their focus is on effectiveness, and that we are welcome to question all the moves they are teaching us. They called this a self defense system, not a martial art. The focus was to maximize your survival, so they actually advised, that your best strategy in a street fight is to run away, but they also acknowledged, that this is not the case, and sometimes it's not an option. We had regular sparing and grappling sessions, similar to the MMA training, and there was no holding punches. They said that in order to defend yourself you need to know how to fight, and there are not shortcuts or magic moves, that you can take there. We did train kicking groin with the dick protector made of hardened plastic. On initial lessons we aimed for an inside of the thigh, but they advised also to quickly buy the dick protector in order not to learn to kick incorrect place. Thy were fully aware, that if you hold punches or kicks during training, then you will do the same in a fight using the muscle memory.
Wow that sounds like a great school, I really like Krav Maga as a system but not a lot of the people who teach it since a lot of people teach Krav Maga off of a 2 day course they took to teach it. I like how you can question the moves that’s very transparent and sparring regularly in Krav Maga is awesome since a lot of schools don’t even do that and combined with pressure testing it’s great, it’s great that they practice illegal blows like how you mentioned and it’s good practice. I hope I can find a school like that through all the bad practitioners teaching lousy Krav Maga and I wanted to couple it with mma to improve the mma foundation of Krav Maga, so double down on the mma in both and combine the differences like what’s only taught in Krav Maga like pressure testing through disadvantageous situations and weapons fighting and disarms and tactics.
Are you still in Poland. I was in Poland this past July 2023. I'm going to Poland again in the summer 2024. I live in California. I did a 2 day grappling self-defense seminar in Lodz, Poland. Will do it again next year with Wojtek Adamusik's school. He's a black with Gokor Chivichyan and certified in JKD with Richard Bustillo and a student of Erik Paulson.
@Carzo Parazzo Muay Thai techniques included in the Krav Maga syllabus: 1. Low round kick/ leg cut. 2. Push kick 3. Leg check 4. High block 5. Knee strike 6. Elbow strike (all variations- horizontal, reverse horizontal, vertical up, 12-6, etc) 7. Clinch The most basic and effective techniques.
And their grappling will never work against a grappler: only an untrained opponent who's exceptionally timid and reserved in regards to how much he wants to hurt them. I say this as someone who likes Krav Maga and thinks it's fun to train. But a mediocre BJJ blue belt will walk all over a Krav Maga black belt if he or she is untrained in BJJ. It's that simple. Ultimately, that's why MMA is the only way to train: having a single skill set leaves you vulnerable. But if you only know one martial art, it should definitely be BJJ.
As someone who has been in "street fights" before and after having done both "self-defense" based martial arts and standard martial arts I can say: you're pretty correct. I always say knowing a little body language and trusting your gut is a VERY important, and often, underrated thing. I also say that "self defense training" is a bit absurd as most often they tend to, as you said, put you in ridiculous scenarios. We call them "scenario based defense" for that reason. I've talked to someone who was a person who "grew up fighting" as you say, and he agrees that the "scenario based defense" is largely bullshit and disarming people who have weapons is VERY difficult. As for the biting and eye-gouging thing, there are safe ways to train it and I don't think it's necessary or that anyone really should. Do you know the reaction of the opponent when they get bit? Just imagine for a second how pissed off you would be if someone kicked your nuts or bit you or scratched your eye. In addition: if you go for an eye gouge, it's likely you will break your finger IRL because no one stands still in a fight. The dirty techniques that actually woork are kicking someones knees in or throwing sand in someones eyes (I've done both). And there's an easy and safe way to practice those techniques. Have each other wear goggles of some sort and spar at 10-30%. Instead of actually crippling your sparring partner, you can place your foot right above their knee or tap it with your foot. No one gets hurt and you build new skills. Thanks for the great vids.
As said MMA allows you to test over and over the skills learned plus the strength & conditioning and of course you are already used to getting hit in the face. If anyone remembers when they started MMA or boxing the first time you got punched felt a bit weird and intimidating, just imagine that first time happening in the street.
yeah but being punched in the head with a glove is way different than being punched in the head with a sap. Actual fighting has no rules and weapons can be introduced at any point there is an opportunity that is the difference.
@@WilliamAshleyOnline Getting stabbed with a real knife vs a plastic one is also different. ITs all about the reflexes, eye to hand coordination and stress control. Spar like these 2 a week and you will still be better off than playing out unrealistic scenarios at a Krav Mega gym. ruclips.net/video/jpUGKtXJCHw/видео.html
Thanks for your opinion, I studied KM, Karate and Jiu jitsu, for many many years. And I've been in a handful of dangerous situations as a traveler, wrong time, wrong place... I was mentally prepared to fight, but I saved my ass with a question... One time I asked the aggressor : "where's your brother?" He answered and asked where I knew his brother from. "Never mind," I said and asked why he preferred Adidas (logo on his trousers) we had a conversation about sportswear and he forgot about the money he needed to get some other stuff... The secret to a long life is knowing when it's time to go, I mean stay cool and don't panic.
@Senju Clan both :). Krav has enough grappling to teach u how to deal with opponents that dont know how to. And ju jitsu will help u become proficient enough to beat other grapplers. But start with krav first as most people who start fights and muggings dont know ju jitsu and ju jitsu wont always help with those situations while krav will
This is the best rationale I’ve seen on the RUclips’s yet. It all depends on the viciousness of your attacker and what his intent is. If it’s a frat boy chump with something to prove, you’ll likely dominate with most martial arts. If it’s a real predator type who will kill you, your dojo training won’t be too handy. I have some training in BJJ but still carry a knife and conceal a 9mm at all times, and always practice situational awareness because the best thing to do is avoid situations where you’ll be attacked in the first place.
I think what people fail to account for is the fact that both KM and MMA are constantly evolving. If anything, Krav Maga is borrowing or adding techniques from MMA. They’re almost identical in terms of basic technique, but radically different in approach.
Mhmm.. from mma you saying.. i thine you don't know much about kraj maga and whole martial art history. What you gonna tell about mma roots, master? Waiting for answer
In my youth I had three older brothers that used to routinely beat my ass, so I never had a problem when it came to any one on one street or school yard fight (even against someone older or larger). Maybe someone should just open a gym where three punks kick your butt for no reason and make you do their chores three days a week - by the time someone messes with you you'll have so much pent-up anger that you'll probably rip their fucking head off..
There is almost no difference in most of the techniques. Imi was a national boxing and wrestling champion. The difference lies in the situation for which you are training, and perhaps some of the training methods (although that depends mostly on your school, not the system itself).
I believe Boxing,wrestling,judo,and kick Boxing is for real life situations. The more you sparr and struggle with an opponent; the better chance you will have on the street. Karate is also good if you have a teacher that allows full contact sparring.
Yes alot of people will say that grappling is the worst thing to do for a street fight however they fail to realize that althoug wrestling is about rolling and taking poditions on a mat not all body slams end with you and your opponent on the ground a body slam where the other person is the only one to fall in the street is game over.
I’ve seen dudes who are trained as well as dudes who are untrained beat up multiple people AND I’ve seen dudes with knives get disarmed too.. streets of London are a funny place 😂 Training goes a long way
Good video. Krav Maga instructor here. You're spot on. It all depends on the school. My school spars kickboxing style, both light contact and heavy contact and we pressure test some (but not all) of our skills against a dude in a suit regularly. As you note, some of this stuff, unlike BJJ, just can't be pressure tested. How can we "pressure test" an eye gouge or a bite? While I have been attacked on the street and used my skills to effectively defend myself, any school that doesn't at least spar in some way is putting their students at a significant disadvantage. This is why many dudes call "malarkey" on some Krav schools...they have real world combat or force-on-force experience and know from said experience that those defenses simply won't work against a fully resistant opponent.
There is an assumption that Self Defense does not train all out fighting like MMA too. Krav Maga should have fighting against resisting opponents, even multiple attacker. Self Defense getting home when at a severe disadvantage & many times it avoidance, deescalation and methods to disengage. Running to safety is also sound self defense. When Krav Maga is taught properly, it consists of real fight training like MMA, and practical self defense methods to survive random acts of violence. You certainly were training at a Krav location that was missing key elements of the system.
The way I understand it (and it may be different for different organisations) Krav Maga has sparring against resisting opponent rather late in the curriculum at a higher levels. Proper sparring against multiple opponents happens only at the very end of the training. I think it is the last lesson for the Israel Military, they get a minute or several minutes, where they go against multiple opponents, it is not about winning, but about keeping going and not giving up.
Good point and Ive seen that video. Ive found its mainly grapplers who say no martial art prepares you for multiple opponents. This is when you hilight the dangers of grappling in a real situation. I always link in that video to show you do have a chance and its striking/boxing.
Thats a strawman, Mr. Hippo :) top of the line amateur boxer against several untrained, UNARMED men stumbling over one another. Brock Lesnar would dominate them too, that doesnt mean wrestling is answer for fighting multiple people. You bring friends and weapons against multiple people, not some "superior" martial art.
@@mikeypc3592 cute.. Try your striking in street fight with a DIV 1 wrestler or Judoka and photograph for posterity the moment you land teeth first into the concrete.
As the old addage goes, everybody has a plan until they get popped in the face. The best tool for self defense is being able to think while being threatened or attacked. This is the most difficult part of self defense in my opinion. If you can overcome the most difficult aspect you can win with a single punch. But you still might lose regardless of whatever skills you possess.
Agreed. Muscle memory and confidence in chaos is key. My limited experince on the street I can't say I thought about a thing in the first 15 seconds. Just pure muscle memory and that was a power double leg. Done perfectly due to my time pressure testing and sparring. I did not think. I just did. Which is why I think self defense martial arts work once you already have a good base. But by its self I am skeptical.
I've just started Krav Maga and have been doing it for one month as part of a 3 month long Basic Course. I'm a normal guy who had no training in any martial arts. I'm just learning this so that I can defend myself against a criminal. I have no intention of picking a fight with anyone. Will Krav Maga help me in a regular mugging or assault? Or should I learn something else? I'm a skinny guy. It's kind of important for me to learn self-defence cause I'm more likely to get picked on then bigger stronger guys.
Some years ago I had two guys break into my motel room while myself and my girl friend were inside. Needless to say we had a hell of a fight before they ran out of the room. I don't think they expected me to be in the room. I managed to through one over my shoulder into the corner of a dresser and he ran out followed by his partner. But this was after about a minute (seems like an hour) of intense fighting. . I was taken to the floor at first but somehow managed to get on my feet probably because they were untrained on keeping someone down. Also my girlfriend screamed with one guy approached her and this scream set of and intense defense mode in me. It was like throwing a switch. This is as I remember is some years later and thing may have been a little different. I did have a face that showed I'd been in a fight and broke a finger hitting a guy in his open mouth. But we survived and they ran. Now they attacked me once the broke the door down and ran into the room. So the fight was on. I went from laying on the bed in my underwear to fight mode in a very short period. There was not fight or flight. I had no choice but to fight and protect her. I say all that to point out that my mind was very focused during the attack and I felt no pain and had a single minded intent to drive them out of the room. TO me that was winning keeping her safe and getting them out. I had some basic self defense courses that was very eclectic in style. It included some basic kicks, punches, grabbing, arm locks and take downs. BUT let me say it again - -B A S I C. Most of the fight was just raw animal instinct. I did throw the guy over my shoulder and almost without thinking but that was a throw I'd practiced since childhood and had less to do with the self-defense classes. Most of it looked like a bar fight accept I was in my underwear. . I also as a kid did wrestling (not formal ) and such so I was accustomed to physical conformations for sport or play. I had also been in a few fights but really not that many.. I will talk my way if of a fight if given a chance. As I said one of the two I throw over my shoulder when he tried to grab me from behind. The other one I did some damage to his face, eyes and one hand (fingers) by twisting it. I again think it would of been a different ball game if they were more trained as I would of been in deep shit. I would guess however that my face looked very fucking intense at the time. I had surgery on my broke finger and took some jokes from friends about the black eye but I was fine... It was a much better outcome than it could of been. If they had displayed guns or knives I'd be in deep shit. I think it is mindset .. Granted if I had not, by instinct known to bend my knees and pull him on my back before throwing him on the corner of the dresser in the room things might of been different. I think it took the fight out of him and give the other one the impression I knew more about martial arts than I actually did. SO they ran out (my opinion as to why they left ).. I don't know that the training helped as it was more like a bar fight to me.
One thing I forgot to say is that shortly after I returned home a guy that taught some form of martial arts (I don't remember what type now) said I would not of broke my finger if I'd attended his self-defense class. It kinda pissed me off. Yea I broke a finger defending against two attackers and we were otherwise unharmed (accept my face showed I'd been in a fight ) . We were not robbed and she was not beat up or raped. I was happy with the result and I am not sure any martial art could insure you would not get a finger broke in a REAL life fight against two guys about my side (6'0") breaking into my room.
Im doing boxing but i dont feel it will cut it if i ever met someone with a good kick or something, and im thinking about doing Krav Maga as well, will the training go hand in hand or will the fighting styles combat one another?
Oskar Louis Bøggild At my gym boxing and kickboxing are a big part of Krav Maga’s curriculum. Know this, Krav Maga is a mixture of martial arts from the world put into a survival based system. It is based on the idea to end a fight as quickly as possible or to allow one to run or get a gun. Unlike , mma it doesn’t teach one to go toe to toe. With that said, I’ve learned that some techniques can’t be used on an I damaged opponent and must be broken down or maybe you’ll find yourself in the position due to the chaotic nature of fighting . Anyway, it teaches other aspects like situational awareness which will help you to be in a better position if you do get jumped or to avoid it all together. I train Krav Maga and I am supplementing it with Muay Thai, BJJ and Judo. I also, read a lot of manuals from other styles as well . Short answer learning something new is never a waste of time . There is always something to learn whether it is physically, mentally, or spiritually.
you will never meet anyone with a good kick who assaults you,attackers are mostly untrained but often bigger and very violent.Boxing is great for self defense but wrestling or judo or bjj would be best compliment,you dont need any additional striking art.
Krav maga in it's truest fashion is a good solid mixture of boxing, muay thai, judo, jiu-jitsu, wing chun and modern military hand to hand training in knife, pistol and rifle disarming techniques. Making krav maga more of a mixed martial art and combative than mma. I practice at a krav maga school and it's pretty legit as far as my opinion goes. It's not intended to turn people into Steven Seagal or Jean-Claude Van Damme but it will prepare people how to fend off an attack better than most fighting systems. With that said, self defense is a mindset; not a fighting style. The best defense against a dangerous situation is situational awareness. Become a master at that and your chance of ever having to use any physical defense will be reduced to almost 0℅.
Joe.....Nailed it. I've a background in American Kickboxing, Kung Fu, GoJu, Japanese Jujitsu, Judo and Aikido. I served 6 years with the military and then moved into policing. Now that I'm retired, I wish I had learned Krav Maga earlier. I practice it now with an IDF trained instructor from Greece. Our key training is ALWAYS situational awareness and look for the way out. Because at the end of the day, where do you prefer to be? At home in bed or on the street, dead? Now, that being said, I'm not knocking sport fighting. If you have those tools, they are very good assets. But they are boundaries and rules that are to heed. Does this make the practitioner's any different? Not in the slight. But how much environmental and situational awareness experience do they have? Depends. If they never really have been in a life and death situation, it's advisable not to let your skills get to your head. If someone's familiar with street life, they may be more alert to their surroundings. Krav Maga is more of technical and applied warfare tactics. (And not these unsanctioned RUclips vids. I'm talking about actual IDF Krav Maga) It's tactics based on survival and actually neutralizing your enemy(ies). Not going to the ground and pounding him or hoping for a tap out. Because he may have some pals hanging around or might have stuff that cuts or fires ammo.
We spar all the time in the Krav classes I go to. It’s usually, we train a set of movements for most of the class with a partner and then at the end of class you spar with that set and there are clear winners and losers. Like in jiu jitsu, we more often spar the stuff that you don’t need gloves for because it’s a lot quicker and safer to get in to. We still do full sparring sessions with gloves where anything goes though. We also spar with weapons but weapons suck because you will always be at a severe disadvantage no matter how skilled you are but of course that’s just a reason to train weapons even more. If you have a rudimentary foundation of grappling and striking then you can beat the average trouble maker off the street but only weapons training will prepare you for dealing with an armed attacker. It make me you sound cool to shit on the guys who train worst case scenarios but those guys already have enough striking and grappling to handle best case scenario so it only makes sense to train more and more difficult situations. If your training consists of everybody following a set of rules then you’re not very well prepared for the real world. Nobody says any nonsense like “we’re going to teach you how to take on a gang of armed thugs with nothing but your bare hands” because that would be ridiculous and the most deadly humans on the planet would avoid that situation at all costs haha. What they do say is “hey, being unarmed and facing an armed attacker sucks and you need to avoid that all costs. If you can’t avoid it though, you should at least do your best prepare yourself for that situation.” To be fair though, I don’t think my gym even officially uses the word Krav because they’ve altered and expanded upon traditional Krav so much that they’re only as similar as most “self defense” courses.
Great Video!! I will agree that no one technique wins a fight. However, I will add that I have been training in Krav for about 2 years now and we do have sparring sessions similar to MMA. We perform stand up sparring during the week and ground fighting ( sparring) on the weekends. I also supplement some of this training with Jujitsu. Thanks for the vid.
Strike hard, strike first no mercy. Sensei John Kreese (Karate Kid). All jokes aside that’s great advise and in a situation on the streets with any kind of combat background it will give you a good chance. The world is full of tough dudes that have never trained a day in there life. Normally because they are strong, aggressive and they’re brutal. Don’t think you’re going to be able to pepper an 18st dude who is aggressive as hell with jabs and low kicks in a bar fight when he is windmilling you with all he has. Unless you’re Danny Larusso that is.
Actually we do kick to the groin during sparring. Of course we wear groin protection. And we spar with shoes on (you don't walk bare feet on the streets!)
Krav maga originated from the Israeli military meant for killing and street fighting Guns, knives, and dirty fighting Now it became a marketing mc dojo My instructor was a navy seal, back in the military He taught us about groin hits, eye gouging, biting, and other survival techniques. As well as with melee weapons, and took us for shooting at the shooting range. But he also made us do sparring , Actual sparring, he taught us primarily boxing and wrestling with some muay thai kicks and bjj submissions as he was an mma instructor as well But in sparring he said, use whatever is suitable for you Of course we sparred with mma rules, we weren't gonna kill each other in training There is a difference between theory and practice he said In theory they are both the same In practice, they are not You're not gonna roll in concrete using bjj moves You're not gonna fight fair if someone is bigger than you on the streets, you're not gonna rush on someone if he is holding a knife, and you're not gonna play hero on someone who is aiming a gun at you I miss him, he was an actual teacher, not just a meathead selling his dojo, His dojo was a basement with a small mma cage, and other equipments like skip rope, first aid kits and melee weapons like wooden staff No fake knives, no nothing In training, we were taught how to fight dirty In sparring we were taught how to fight fair and square and learn how to take a punch on the face and a slam on the ring In the streets, we learned how to stay calm and not pick a fight with a loud mouth prick In the streets, we learned how to use our training to DEFEND AND USE IT FOR SELF DEFENSE until the police would come and put an end to the conflict In the street we learned to run away if we were outnumbered or if anyone would hold a knife or a gun And thanks to him, I became who I am today Krav maga is all about marketing If you want to learn how to defend yourself Make sure your instructor HAS the expertise and experience to teach you that. Peace.
The real answer: Who is doing the art? Who are they defending against? That is what decides how effective that martial art is. In other words.... "Someone ALWAYS knows more."
I think you are on the right pathway. Traditional Martial Arts are based on arts that are out of date. You do need to have a Love/Hate between Self Defense & Sport Fighting. The thing you are missing are the different levels there are. Yes, there are Traditional MA which today have evolved into belt system oriented, historical art and sport fighting which in essence is play fighting for fans. Both of these styles are missing a key element.... Life or Death. MMA is great, Boxing is great, Muay Thai is great, but you are focusing on the competitors being one on one, within 10 lbs of each other, and playing by the rules. Traditional arts are focused on Kata, belts, one point knockouts etc. Tactical Combat is not focused on engagement, its purpose is to finish someone without making noise, without gaining attention and likely depends on yours and your teams lives being at stake. Martial Science is the focus of real self defense. If BJJ or MMA is popular or Krav Maga is now gaining fame, a true self defense practitioner needs to be involved in all of those, along with weapons training, multiple attacker and weapon awareness and proficiency training. Most of what you see people training for is sport self defense which by American Law is know as mutual combat or a Street fight. Street Fighting is not self defense. You win a street fight. YOU SURVIVE a self defense. Sport Fighting and Martial Arts are the tools, weapons are tools, multiple attackers, getting punched while you sleep in bed, a van pulling up and yanking your child away from you into human trafficking are self defense. I love the martial arts. You need both and all variations to be truly effective... but self defense is a militant mindset you must train equal to sport fighting conditioning and training and the weapons or eye gouging techniques you learn are all useless when you don't understand that most self defense situations that are real (not internet self defense), happen instantly, violently, and with real consequence. Self Defense is Life or Death. Without understanding this you are set for trouble. Visit some 3rd world, very poor areas dressed nice acting entitled and then prepare to test yourself for real self defense. BTW, I am not trying to be an asshole. I really like your comments and think you are on the right path. You can still push an eyeball in, in controlled training or learn injurious pressure strikes in control the same way you may learn a joint lock without destroying a persons joint each time. I like your channel and have subscribed. I hope we can open a dialog and maybe do a video blog or discussion together. ruclips.net/video/VTWtpcYiDw4/видео.html Respectfully, Grand Master Greg Fraser Jing Shen Kuoshu: Martial Science & Functional Fitness
I agree that a strong limit to some martial art techniques is that you cannot apply them completely because you need your partner to stay safe. This is especially true for weapons training, and also in modern firearms where people learn to shoot targets in a variety of ways. This limit is one of the reason why forms were developed, to train with full intensity without injury. Anyway, any training method would simply be an approximation of reality. Take the groin kick: you may practice the kick with protection (in that case the recipient might not feel anything and would not react naturally) , you could avoid to kick the groin at all or you could simulate the target with bags or simply stop the technique before reaching the target. None of these is the real thing, but the only true alternative would be kicking random guys in the groin on the Street, not a practical one at all.
Krav maga, not realistic even though the military teaches it to our soldiers. I think you believe that krav maga is just biting and hair pulling. Just like every other fighting style, (if you have a proper instructor) your taught to run away if your able to. Like you said, both will prepare you for a fight but you made krav maga seem unrealistic. Krav maga is mma but it removes all the rules and shows you moves that arent allowed in competition.
Your discussion of this has been more balanced and fair than some I've heard. I watched your Krav Maga video. It looked like you were mostly in the level 1 classes. If you had been able to observe some level 4 or above instruction and drilling you would have a better understanding of where they were headed. I think level 9 is the equivalent of a "black belt", but I'm not sure. I have only been though 8 months of the introductory level myself so I am definitely not some kind of expert or badass. Something people should keep in mind (in general, different schools teach and emphasize different things) is that Krav Maga was originally adopted as a 14 day crash course in self defense to take people going into the IDF or other military/leo roles from zero to some kind of competency in basic fighting skills. I think it does this as good or better than such a 14 day course than many other martial arts would achieve. As you mentioned, it does a good job of instilling tenacity and confidence.
Its not so much which thing you choose to learn, ofcourse be smart, forget tai chi, but when you think muay thai, bjj, wrestling, boxing etc and then add in krav maga, its how you utilise it, how aggressive you are, your hesitation time, your reaction times, and your combat intelligence to see openings and exploit them quickly that determines what happens, i always say learn as little as possible as in drill what works on anyone of any size and strength and dismiss what doesnt, and repetition, repetition, until it is second nature, and obviously common sense, you dont want to go to the ground in a bar, but in a carpark, with your friends keeping his in check, take him down, krav maga has a lot that is a waste of time against a strong opponent, and a lot that is useful against most people, so you need to weight up each opponent individually and decide how to deal with them, if theyre a 250lb roid head stick to basics, forget little wrist locks, take him down, choke him out, in a bar, strikes, combinations, fast and hard look to his friends, then take off, thats my methods.
Very good video. I think you made some very great points, especially how you weren't biased and looked at the advantage and disadvantages of these fighting styles. However, I do believe it's possible to survive or not get shot or cut by weapons if you're in a situation with good training. It's not easy by any means but I know someone who personally survived with his previous training. And while self-defense styles aren't perfect it's better to go into a fight with training than no training at all.
I have question for you. Honestly, I don't think that you are gonna attack me on street for any reason. I also don't think that any professional fighter attack me too. Maybe a kid who new in boxing what to proff something but If you know you can break someone's bones then you probably won't start an attack. The thing in street is if someone attack me he's either will be drunk, or in effect of drug, or homeless .etc in based he'is not gonna be professional fighter. I think any person who know any self defense system can beat them. The main problem part is probably criminals... A thief and ex-boxer... Now for to being honest If he has a knife, or gun, or more than one person... I dont think that any mma style martial arts gonna work, because they never work against guns or knifes or against more than 1v1... I mean let's be honest. We are men. I'm still young but I'll get married soon or later and I should protect my family against a thief, or my girlfriend or you know it's a instinct. And in streets there are no rules, there are knifes, guns, baseball bats etc. What do you really suggest for that except for running and not being in that situation.
@@HomelessNinjaKennedy Chris the thing is I'm in middle of my twenties. I'm not gonna plan a career on any professional fight system. I just want to protect myself and my family. And honestly more than %99 percent of watching these videos like me. In professional system like MMA or even a karate there is a resisting opponent. Which is (at least for me) absolute must thing. That is the reason they actually work in real life 1v1 unarmed fights. On the other hand as I mentioned in real life it doesn't have to be unarmed or 1v1. Like 2 thief came in your home. You cannot run, but you have to do something. Obviously you know better than me. What can you suggest guy like us, guy like just want to protect themself and their family. I want so see something like "okey. now, a person gonna attack you, and you're not gonna know his age, height, weight, sport experience, unarmed or armed, and you're not gonna now is he only one or with his friends. And they gonna really try to kill you, not act like them. Defend yourself" I believe that is the real life situation. What is the most closest fighting style or self defense or whatever you call? What is your suggestion. (By the way I'd like to open an idea something like, one year mma, after that krav maga .etc)
Ask BJ Penn and McGregor if a proffesional fighter does not randomly streetfight somebody. It's on video on YT. Bas Rutten, Jan Plas, The French Karate team in the old era, all had street fights with normies under different circumstances, so think again.
Your thoughts on this make sense. Interesting note: Krav Maga's history was that it originated in part from its founder doing wrestling & boxing, two parts of mma / modern martial arts, but grew from there to incorporate others as these two initial components didn't seem sufficient. What it's become in its present form may very well be a diluted version of what hailed from or used to be... Or maybe those of us who don't stand by Krav Maga entirely are just seeing beginner's KM.
I agree with him. The sport wrestling, Judo, Catch Wrestling, boxing, Muay Thai are better than the art because with the sport you practice with a resistant opponent. I actually do both anyway.
the advantage of combat-sports (full contact, like MMA, MT, KB etc.) is having the pressure of the fight using + receiving full power, but sanctioned under a rule-set, weightclass, preparation, knowing you opponent (one - not multiple), no weapons, a. s. o. The advantage of self-defense-styles (like KM, WT/WC, MSD, etc. is preparing for a fight without rules weight-class, unknown number of opponents, possible weapons a. s. o. - but it´s difficult to train using full force (unless you use full protection, like blackman-suits) . A "real" street-attack (different to a street-fight between 2 guys who wanna beat up each other) never looks similar to a sports-combat, so if you want to prepare for a fight between hooligans of for K. O. T. S. a. s. o. train MMA, for self-defense-purposes train KM & Co., but incl. sparring (vs. 1 + multiple opponents) as realistic as possible for the health of your sparring-partners).... The best street-fighter is the one having experience inside ring/cage + as security, bodygurad, soldier, hooligan, etc. Youfight the way you train, so if you train for a sanctioned bout, you´ll fight incl. the rules - if you train for self-defense and never have been attacked under pressure + you´re not used to receive + use full power, your training won´t prepare you properly.. Most important in SD is learning how to deescalate a fight and/or getting prepared mentally for dangerous situations. Some great sprt-fighters have been destroyed on the street/in a bar, just because they didn´t relaize that the fight started anyway.
You need both kinds of training!!! At Kudo Ryu Bujutsu we STUDY and PRACTICE EVERYTHING!!! Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Boxing, Muay Thai, Mixed Martial Arts, Krav Maga, Sambo, Ninjutsu, Military Knife Fighting Systems and ANYTHING ELSE we can GET OUR HANDS ON!!! We remain OPEN MINDED to ALL ARTS and ALL TRAINING METHODS...but SPORT (RESISTANCE TRAINING) and SELF-DEFENSE / TRADITIONAL MARTIAL ARTS are STUDIED and PRACTICED with RESISTANCE WHENEVER and WHERE-EVER POSSIBLE!!!
Krav Maga is the art of the sucker punch if executed properly. I defy anyone to fight with someone's thumbs rammed into the back of their eye sockets. Krav Maga has to be viewed as, better than nothing.
From the modest exposure I've had to krav, a good school regularly pressure tests (at appropriate levels) and has special classes in striking, grappling, multiple opponents, etc., based on the principle of "what works". Also, many krav students aren't athletes, but average types seeking a self defense edge against a punk or bully, not a highly trained/fit combatant. I believe krav can train to beat those higher level opponents, but, like anything, it takes a lot of training and conditioning.
There’s too much fake McMaga out there. I’d say Just practice both but good luck finding legit km. There are 3 legit kmf schools in the states in nyc & 1 in Baltimore Plenty of full sparring and cups. Gotta try a year in Israel or Poland & Absolutely add bjj. Take what works for you where you can find it. Be well.
I would like to tell you a real story (i watched the video) a krav maga trainer (he was in special forces in israel and so on) was in a gas station, one guy hit his wife and he stepped in, 5 big guys jumped at him one with a knife and in 34 sec (its even written in the suit against him) he send all the 5 guys to the hospital when he almost didn't even got a scratch on him. This is real life, not a movie not an opinion. So... Check again. I know you said it's your opinion but again, that really happened i saw the video in my own eyes
I agree with Chris. I have started Krav Maga. There are so many variables in all these situations. Best to avoid, if in the US a gun wins every time. Then the situations where you don't have a choice and this is the main point i think to any style you are using. Also if you read the million books out there by x bouncers they will tell you some people can be big, strong and know how to punch and kick but on the moment how you have to react. Many don't when push comes to shove. I personally don't think 1 is overall better. a crap MMA versus a decent boxer versus a highly experienced Jiu Jitsu can be the difference also. My belief for good self defence is keep it simple, distance, react and extract if given the choice.
i'll throw my 2 cents in, will probably end up being a dollar though 25 years in Nightclub work; and when i have to control someone in a fight, my brain says: 'this technique does work, but be ready to go to the next..repeat as needed"... or as a saying goes "Good martial arts will not look good on TV" (supposedly said by Bruce Lee, i can't confirm this)... a perfect example was 1 street fight i got into Long story short: guy rushes me...i go for my favorite hold (standing arm triangle)..he's all sweaty, slips my attempt, gets under my arms and bulldogs me into a window...i fishhook him, turn my hips and yank him as hard as i could..i end up in full mount with him laying on his side...his friend takes him away before i bash his temple into the tile anyone who tries to teach you .."here you do this, then this, then this" is setting you up for failure in a street fight, shit changes waaay to fast, this is where Judo/BJJ excels there are Fight 'Stoppers' and 'Fight Enders' .. an simple example of a 'stopper' is a solid punch to the gut that knocks the wind from his sails and doubles him over...the fight has stopped, but he can start right back up ...'enders' are where your adversary is knocked or choked out, or a severe pain injury...any of which allows you to walk away from the situation with confidence in knowing that he aint coming for more any time soon i love some good Muay Thai..but..i'm not a big fan of kicks or knees in a street fight, i just don't think its wise to remove half of your mobility against a 'fresh' attacker and expose your leg so high...judo trips are better because your feet are still very low by comparison
Awareness is in my opinion huge in any sort of altercation, example..guy at a bar gets into a bit of an arguement with random guy!!..few words passed guy turns to put his drink on the counter.gets sucker punched and glassed..zero training will help you there..situation awareness. Is key, also..unless you're in a life or death situation..which 99.9% of us will never be..if you gouge out someones fuckin eyeballs you're going to jail
It's like saying gracie self defense/combatives vs MMA.... the training protocol will dictate technique effectiveness. MMA is more specialized PLUS foundational skill set with physical conditioning. MMA should be the foundation you build off of. Specialize in a favorite art be it grappling or striking and it could be anything. Only after that you can enter the realm of Krav maga or any other defense tactics/ reality based programs etc. The names will vary from combatives or cqc street etc. The reality is basic boxing/kickboxing + wrestling /jiujitsu is the way to go. Bruce Lee really did his best to get to this point in his trainers well as his cinematic approach
The practice of a full contact sport give more opportunities to save your ass in hostile backgrounds. Never fight on the ground.....is very dangerous.....you will have deep bruise all over the body and if bad luck comes.... somebody could kick your head inthe middle of a submission....avoid the ground if you can.
As these two sides of the coin are debating these ego fed arguments that one is better than the other...the wise are training in both. I teach Samurai Jujutsu and our Modern Jujutsu is a combination of jujutsu, muaytai, sambo and USMC h2h. Kata for learning techniques, drills and sparing for learning how to apply them in real situations, and we occasionally surprise students with multiple attacks and trainer knives into sparing and flow grappling secessions
We need some real early UFC NO RULE style vs style back again to prove this shitt once and for all 👊👊👊so daam tired of this bullshitt talk what is better crap.We have to have real challenge fights put up on RUclips it is the only way to answer these questions😐😐 UFC BJJ matches have too many rules now, that is why people are confused and can easily talk shitt about each style 😐😒
So there's Actually an old schools UFC fight were it was krav maga vs a D1 wrestler eventually became I think like a 3x ADCC champion and a jiu jitsu black belt and the fight between them is almost laughable of the realistic ability of krav maga in a rule set that had little to no rules. The fight is Actually UFC 14 Moti horenstein vs mark kerr. Moti horenstein's record was 1-6 and was Actually a commander in the Israeli army. Sounds tough right? Got man handled 1st round after getting repeatedly slammed and ground and pounded by mark kerr. Also how is Cambodia?
I would say it depends a lot on the instructor/place where you train. And how much you train. Both are good, each trains some different aspects. The way I see it Krav Maga is more about actual self defence, the mentality you need, whereas MMA is about being a capable fighter. Krav Maga prepares you for a rather asymmetrical situations, the oponent has a weapon ,or there are multiple opponents. Not that it is that likely you can win those scenarios, but you are bit more aware of them and you are more ready to keep the right situational awareness. The MMA is more about fighting 1v1 with rules and that imho translates worse into real world scenario than Krav Maga (even though you might be a more competent fighter).
Self-defense should be a basic skill just like math, reading and writing. Jiu Jitsu is promoted as the ultimate self-defense system, but this is what Jiu Jitsu looks like against a striker and kicker (and if there are two guys against you, you're instantly doomed! The other guy will just kick you in the head while you're trying to cuddle his friend): How Kazushi Sakuraba Destroyed the Gracie Clan m.ruclips.net/video/yjVM1eRSPlE/видео.html I've learned that the US Military and Secret Service, and even Israel, the home of Krav Maga, are learning Systema (which is a combat system tested and proven by the Russian Special Forces for survival during war times, unlike Jiu Jitsu, MMA and other sport martial arts, which are not only exclusively for one-on-one, but also don't train against weapons). I wish Systema were taught in schools (starting from kindergarten) instead of useless P.E. If everyone were skilled in self-defense, there would be less assaults, kidnappings and rapes because evil-minded people would hesitate to attack anyone, knowing they'll be in for a real fight, battling for their own lives. Here's a link about Systema: marylandsystema.com/systema-russian-martial-arts-is-one-of-the-secret-services-strongest-weapons/
I think wrestling and Muay Thai are the best wrestling you can just slam someone and Muay Thai has the clinch and elbows you would need to know some bjj if it’s on the ground but the wrestling will help you to stand back up
Krav Maga is NOT a martial "art". its full on fighting style designed to take the average man who has no basic knowledge of fighting and giving them as much effective knowledge as possible in the shortest time possible. Its taught in the israeli military for 3-6 months and has the bare minimum. no fancy kicks, no style point. it meant to take you from 0 to "here is the most effective way to kick them in the dick, or open palm up strike their nose. its was expended and evolved, but at its basis its how to survive life or death situation manual crash course.
I did have 3 people that where gonna jump me years ago and I offered to fight them one at a time and they agreed I whooped the fuck out of the first one real quick struggled against the second and third one that I ended up fighting at the same time but I kicked one of thems knee and he kind of stopped fighting then the third one ran off I was pretty beat up but I didn't take the first offer which was to be jumped by three guys and maybe get beaten to death. So if more than one person ever surrounds you offer to fight them 1on 1 sometimes they'll go for it
I have been training in krav maga for a couple of years and we on a weekly basis train against multiple attackers, we fight daily in class and we use knives and guns also so your opinon of krav is just that , an opinion. like one of the other comments , attend a higher level of krav and just feel how intense it really is
FAKE KNIFES AND GUNS** Same thing as the eye poking and groin kick, how many knife wounds and bullet holes do you have on your body? Don’t take it wrong, I do use plastic knife and air-soft gun in training and sparring too, it’s fun and gives us limited experience on how to get away from those things, but be frankly, 90% of the techniques that KM class thought on knife/gun defense are nothing close to realistic, for example, how many Krav Maga class teaches you to treat your wounds? Even the most basic: put pressure on your wounds to slow down the bleeding?
@@tangmingchen9237 Marines don't shoot each other in training. There has to be simulation. We all know it when we are doing it but it is the best we can practice without harm. Gun or knife techniques, in my opinion, are a last option and you are just giving yourself a better odds of survival. Let me say that my training was eclectic in nature for self defense and restraining. I am sure you better trained guys could take me to school in a few seconds. However from personal experience what I know does help in a street confrontation with guy with little or no martial arts training.
I believe the contemporary martial arts are better do to actually practicing with another resisting person, sometimes larger. But keep this in mind to, I have seen a Jiu jitsu guy high mount a person in a street fight. Prone out on the guy an get bit in the stomach, causing him to go into convulsions, the guy would not let go. Top guy convaulsed so hard he was smacking his head on the ground. Just some food for thought in your practice.
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I want to know what could be the best martial art for me to start, well for 1 having ailment( chronic disease) , and extreme anxiety. I want to try karate, and what I’ve gathered from 4 nights of constant video watching and practicing on my own, I like it. I’d wonder if I can try all, one class each in martial art.
Yeah i would recommend trying every martial arts gym in your town, and just see which one you like the most! I would recommend you look for the best instructor to train with, rather than the best style. Good luck and let me know how it goes!
Krav vs mma for self defense my take . I actually took Krav for like 6 months I know not long but the only thing Krav has over mma is that is shows u how to use those arts in mma (striking:grappling ) in real life situations . It also shows u how to disarm weapons such as guns and bats metal bars you know things you see in real life situations , it also shows u how to deal with multiple opponents. So it shows real life situations. But in all honesty is this necessary? mma u have better trainers in boxing, kickboxing, muey Thai ,wrestling bjj ect . Mma also shows u how to use those arts in a real fight 1 on 1 . Mma training is Also much more intense so you get into better shape and u train with better quality sparring partners imo. Krav shows u how to use mma in real life situations as I’ve stated however do u really need to be told that your mindset must change on the streets ? Do u need to be told if there is multiple opponents u should use your wrestling and bjj to GET UP and RUN? do u need someone to tell u that if u use a double leg on the streets u shouldn’t slam your knee on the street when shooting in ? do u need to tell an mma trained fighter dealing with multiple opponents that u should stay on your feet and move quickly and strike just enough to RUN out of the situation? honestly imo no or at least I hope not lol . Does the mma fighter need to understand there are certain techniques that may not work on the streets ? Again hopefully not. Hopefully the mma fighter has common sense and knows how to adapt his mma into a street situations. So Krav isn’t that necessary imo . I think a mma fighter would benefit from a few months of Krav here n there just in case a self defense situation came up they might be better prepared in an actual street In counter but then again a lot Krav teaches is basic common sense as stated above ... if I had to choose only one that being mma or Krav for self defense mma imo is better for reasons I stated above . But if u can train both then that’s even better . Krav is better then individual arts by themself tho (boxing,wrestling,bjj ect) Bc it combines them in one complete system . Just be shure of u decide to take Krav that your instructor is qualified. :). But again if I could choose the best overall completel system for self defense mma Is King .
I believe some have already mentioned this but Krav Maga is basically mma plus weapons techniques and defenses against common holds (two handed chokes, head locks, bear hugs, etc.). The founder of Krav Maga was a boxer and wrestler. Most of the striking in Krav Maga comes from boxing, Muay Thai, and Karate. Most of the grappling comes from wrestling and bjj. If you practice mma with the intention of learning self defense, then you should supplement it with a weapons based art (kali, mcmap, etc.) and some techniques for common holds (Gracie combatives).
I do not agree with you. First, in traditionnal martial arts there is something called randori (in japanese martial arts) which can prepare you for some real situations with physical engagement. It' not competition, I agree, but competition is not all. Second, actual fighting sports are what they are : sports with rules, which gives you habits and it can be tricky to have too much habits. For instance, I came from Aïkido, a very traditionnal martial arts (which is far from perfection and aïkidokas can be douchebags) and I went to judo which became a sport. I can't count the number of opponents I had frustrated because I was trained to use my left side equally than my right side because of Aïkido. In judo, people are oftently trained to used their strong side because of competition. Third, you talk about a resisting opponent. It's like if self-defense is, in your vocabulary, like destroying the opposition. Sorry, I don't think so. Self-defense in my point of view is to stay safe as much as you can in a delicate situation. It's not the same thing.
Quick question, so the gun defenses and knives Defenses that I saw with this KRAV maga with Israel military on you tube is not different then Mma? Alot of people in the real world don’t fight with their hands. I think it’s good too train in both. Hidden weapons will be the end of Mma fighters. And a trained Mma fighter in a fight could spell the end of a KRAV MAGA FIGhter. I could never pick a martial art style over any Military style. Thought ? 2 months to learn a military combat with weapons for offense and defense is not wise to make a comment. But from a fighting point of view he is right.
Just train Western boxing footwork timing and range is key. Any body out there go spar in a boxing gym and tell me it doesn't work is talking shit. Someone with good ring work would have you out in seconds. Throw some traditional judo tewaza and newaza in and your done. It's the complete package for self defense really. And if you have time do some mma sparring. All the other arts are really for the TV.
Judo is shit. They can not even take a friend down who is chen style tai chi guy. Btw, i knocked out a Boxer with my hung gar kungbfu skills. I bet you live in usa, the country of fake martial arts
Here's a video to just show the gap in your knowlege of Tai Chi Chuan ruclips.net/video/q9FQql89PgU/видео.html Really before talking on youtube about things, it's better to do a little research. But most of what you said was reasonable. Cheers enjoy your day .
Great video. It was short, but I saw the Tai Chi guy use a thrust side kick (or maybe it was a front kick? it's kind of a grainy video and hard to tell), and a hook. I did Tai Chi for a few years and we never went over those techniques. If you can find other videos of a Tai Chi practitioner using kickboxing techniques, please share!Edit: after watching the video again I realized that it wasn't the Tai Chi guy that did the kick. It was his opponent.
This is a false dichotomy though - KM does the self-defence stuff at the lowest levels, but once you get up a few grades, they get in the ring & spar. My kids both do KM, and they spend the latter half of each session sparring, with gloves & headguards & gumshields. They'll spar against the teacher if there's no kid their size there.
I'm so glad I started following you after taking your tai chi class at Weber a few years ago, because this is a question I'm struggling with right now! After some events that caused me to strongly desire some fighting knowledge, my brother (2nd degree bb in tai kwan do and shotokan) recommended I study krav maga to learn how to protect myself and not get attacked again. Which I wanna learn, to protect myself and others (don't worry, no superhero mentalities with spandex and capes)....But I don't know if I even have that fierce warrior drive to physically hurt someone, even when they're attacking me........do you have additional recommendation for dealing with that, or which discipline to study with that in mind?
Hey Christine! I remember you and I'm glad you're following my channel. Yes i would recommend three styles more than any for you: Jiu Jitsu, Boxing, and Krav Maga. A combination of the three would be ideal, but if you only have time/money to learn one, any of those three would do nicely. Are you still in Ogden? There are three main gyms i would recommend in Ogden: West Side Jiu Jitsu, Foley's MMA, and World Martial Arts and Fitness Academy. Good luck!
@@HomelessNinjaKennedy 😁 you have lots of students, but I'll still take the compliment that you remember my silly self. I'm not in Ogden anymore, but down in Murray. IDEALLY, I'd love to cut my teeth on all three, but time will push me to one for now, to start. If you have any recommendations farther south, would love to take a look!! I'm REALLY anxious/ excited to seriously start a discipline 🤩 (noob question) do dojos and gyms sometimes offer combination training?
I don’t entirely agree with the last point. While yes there are specific moves you can’t spar with full force (such as eye gouging and groin kicks) you can definitely train aspects such as the kickboxing and bjj with full force. You can pretty much spar (partially) every technique with full force as long as you don’t (for example) provide full force in a groin kick or not wear a mask in an eye gouge.
As someone who practices Krav Maga, he does have a point. Its not that Krav Maga "doesn't work", but some moves are so aggressive and damaging that you can't really go all the way with your moves anyway, which essentially makes you unprepared for a real fight. Also, this of course depends on the school and coach, but pressure testing against resisting opponents is more of a rarity than the norm in Krav Maga, which is definitely something you need in order to fight a real fight. Krav Maga works, as long as you are adaptable, have initiative and actually do pressure sparring against resisting opponents when practising.
I did full contact krav maga for a four years where we did all exercises with full force. Also we had a team where people who wanted to spare with each other could participate in MMA like fights. Can't count how many times I've been knocked or choked out but fighting against different fighters is the way to go. That was really, really good. I moved away and tried out krav maga in a new club and that was absolutely useless.. exercises had to be done slow and without force and full contact wasn't allowed.. So I guess there's a lot of different approaches.
I like your mentality on this subject.i think both can prepare you to fight but so many variables can happen in a street fight vs ring.your mentality is great wish others had the same
I have many many year's of being a doorman under my belt. I also served time in the Force's and did other security in various country's. So I have lots of experience in street fights. I wouldn't like to have to count the number of fights I have had in clubs and on the street. I haven't had any in ring fights, but I have had many hours of sparring. In my opinion no matter what you train NOTHING prepares you for a real street fight. The speed and viciousness of it will shock most people. I have seen guy's with years of martial arts training behind them, being destroyed by guy's half their size. And with no training whatsoever. In sport you start the fight at each side of the ring/cage. And the ref asking are you ready. In real life you usually don't see it coming. Very often you have been hit several times before you realise that you are in a fight. And yes I know we all should learn to read a situation, and control the distance. So this doesn't happen. And I can do that every single time, IN THE GYM! But I have never had a real street fight in any gym. The first 5 seconds of a fight in the street is the important part. After that you have either found you bearings, or you have been destroyed. There is no bell in the street, and no ref to spot you tapping out.
I happen to know for fact that you, Steven Seagal and Frank Dux are for real. I too had a very interesting career in the military and CIA. It all started when I was 16 years old. Due to my martial arts prowess, I was recruited by the U.S. Navy and flew M1 Abrams tanks off carriers for them. I served in the same squadron with Tom Cruise, Val Kilmer, and Flash Gordon (he was best man at my wedding to Miss Saigon). I even went to Top Gun School with Tom and Val and won the Trophy. My Tank racked up more kills than all the other tanks in my Squadron, combined. Later on, my Squadron CO accused me of being TOO aggressive. So I had to knock him out with a spinning Flying Squirrel kick to the balls. Needless to say, I spent some time in the brig where the guards made us prisoners fight in Kumite style Death Matches which they took bets on. The guards would host the matches and secretly bring in VIPs from high levels of govt and industry. Some of the people who watched me fight were the President of the United States, the VP, Secretary of Defense, Senators, Congressmen, Pat Sajack from Wheel of Fortune, and the manager of the Waffle House. After executing several hundred prisoners, it was determined that I was too deadly to be kept in the brig so I was transferred over to the U.S. Coast Guard where I flew B-2 Stealth Bombers because they were short pilots and bombardiers. I never needed a bombardier on my crew because I can use my Chi to guide bombs to the target with pinpoint accuracy. After single handedly destroying an entire enemy special forces army, I was recruited by the CIA. I can't talk much about what I did for the CIA, but let's just say I have more confirmed kills than ALL OTHER CIA Agents, Army SEALs, Navy Delta Forces, Air Force Recon, and Marine Corps Para Rescue... COMBINED. Due to my amazing prowess in the field, the Director of the CIA personally selected me to become the youngest ever, and one of only 12 Pokemon trainers in the entire CIA. You gotta a catch 'em all.... that's what I did. Due to the extremely high classification of the project and need for absolute secrecy, our Base of Operations was Skull Island. Consequently, my final classified mission was coordinating with British MI6, the Royal Family,..... Because there have been multiple attempts on my life by Russian Spetznatz, Yakuza Ninja, and Sub-Saharan Oompa-Loompa commandos; they've also provided me with a substantial guard detail while I write my memoirs. My publisher is already in negotiations with Disney and it looks like we're well on our way to my life story becoming part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe....whatever the hell that is.... Bottom line is, there are a lot of people out there who pretend to be something they're not. Everything in my life story is 100% factual. I know because I lived it. People like you, Frank Dux, Steven Segal, John Rambo, the Power Rangers (briefly served with them too), the Teletubbies, Derek Zoolander...these are all great Patriotic Americans but at the end of the day when you compare yours and their on or off-screen achievements to mine.... I simply make them all look like sopping wet, velvet-lined pussies.... Not bragging... Just stating facts....
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How about a mixture of both as I do?
That seems like the best solution!
What’s a better self-defense system:
mayero kun do OR ju jitsu?
Mayero everything of course
Sorry but I don’t agree on what you said about KM. and KM isn’t sport or MA. They use it in Marines and Police training, not Karate or MMA.
Fake News the marines do not use bad KM they use MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program) an CQB. Most military and military special forces do not use KM. That is pure marketing propaganda.
Hi, I agree with what you say. I have done Krav Maga for about 4 years now and have just started MMA. They are very different, true Krav Maga teaches to move forward aggressively and fight until the fight is finished. Provided Krav people don't think they're an ultimate fighting machine and that it has very real limitations then it should work fine, it is meant for the real world after all. For fighting in the ring, Krav doesn't teach how to fight effectively for that situation and I'm learning a lot from MMA. The downside of MMA is that it doesn't teach the basics of movement for multiple attackers or weapons. While I agree that nothing can fully prepare you for an attack with weapons I do think it's better to have a game-plan than none at all. Great talk and it's good to see you have an open mindset.
Martin Pratchett it doesn’t always teach to move forward, it often teaches to run, something MMA doesn’t. Also, teaches to focus at all costs to stay to the outside of multiple attackers, a very useful practice that’s saved me twice.
@@domzbu those are excellent points.
cheers Martin I agreed with the rest of your original post too which also made good points and was interesting to hear the contrast and transition you made.
Great combo!
I trained Haim Zut KM and was told off for moving in to a target once I had already made space. The philosophy is to get away and survive.
I took 6 months of krav maga training in Poland about 10 years ago. Not much, but i can tell you something we did/ From the "philosophy" standpoint, there was no, they said upfront, that their focus is on effectiveness, and that we are welcome to question all the moves they are teaching us.
They called this a self defense system, not a martial art.
The focus was to maximize your survival, so they actually advised, that your best strategy in a street fight is to run away, but they also acknowledged, that this is not the case, and sometimes it's not an option.
We had regular sparing and grappling sessions, similar to the MMA training, and there was no holding punches. They said that in order to defend yourself you need to know how to fight, and there are not shortcuts or magic moves, that you can take there.
We did train kicking groin with the dick protector made of hardened plastic. On initial lessons we aimed for an inside of the thigh, but they advised also to quickly buy the dick protector in order not to learn to kick incorrect place. Thy were fully aware, that if you hold punches or kicks during training, then you will do the same in a fight using the muscle memory.
Wow that sounds like a great school, I really like Krav Maga as a system but not a lot of the people who teach it since a lot of people teach Krav Maga off of a 2 day course they took to teach it. I like how you can question the moves that’s very transparent and sparring regularly in Krav Maga is awesome since a lot of schools don’t even do that and combined with pressure testing it’s great, it’s great that they practice illegal blows like how you mentioned and it’s good practice. I hope I can find a school like that through all the bad practitioners teaching lousy Krav Maga and I wanted to couple it with mma to improve the mma foundation of Krav Maga, so double down on the mma in both and combine the differences like what’s only taught in Krav Maga like pressure testing through disadvantageous situations and weapons fighting and disarms and tactics.
That’s what exactly what my instructor says in sgs Krav Maga
Yea there’s like 3 legit schools in the states. Israel and of course Polish guys in the best schools. I’d still say the best is both.
A Muay Thai fighter trains in precision kicking as well. It doesn't take much thought to kick the groin instead of the femoral nerve.
Are you still in Poland. I was in Poland this past July 2023. I'm going to Poland again in the summer 2024. I live in California. I did a 2 day grappling self-defense seminar in Lodz, Poland. Will do it again next year with Wojtek Adamusik's school. He's a black with Gokor Chivichyan and certified in JKD with Richard Bustillo and a student of Erik Paulson.
The original Krav Mags didn't have grappling or Muay Thai. It does now. It has evolved as martial arts should.
Its just only 3 o 4 techniques
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@Carzo Parazzo Muay Thai techniques included in the Krav Maga syllabus:
1. Low round kick/ leg cut.
2. Push kick
3. Leg check
4. High block
5. Knee strike
6. Elbow strike (all variations- horizontal, reverse horizontal, vertical up, 12-6, etc)
7. Clinch
The most basic and effective techniques.
True. But they still focus on low percentile techniques and hypothetical situations.
And their grappling will never work against a grappler: only an untrained opponent who's exceptionally timid and reserved in regards to how much he wants to hurt them. I say this as someone who likes Krav Maga and thinks it's fun to train. But a mediocre BJJ blue belt will walk all over a Krav Maga black belt if he or she is untrained in BJJ. It's that simple. Ultimately, that's why MMA is the only way to train: having a single skill set leaves you vulnerable. But if you only know one martial art, it should definitely be BJJ.
As someone who has been in "street fights" before and after having done both "self-defense" based martial arts and standard martial arts I can say: you're pretty correct. I always say knowing a little body language and trusting your gut is a VERY important, and often, underrated thing. I also say that "self defense training" is a bit absurd as most often they tend to, as you said, put you in ridiculous scenarios. We call them "scenario based defense" for that reason. I've talked to someone who was a person who "grew up fighting" as you say, and he agrees that the "scenario based defense" is largely bullshit and disarming people who have weapons is VERY difficult. As for the biting and eye-gouging thing, there are safe ways to train it and I don't think it's necessary or that anyone really should. Do you know the reaction of the opponent when they get bit? Just imagine for a second how pissed off you would be if someone kicked your nuts or bit you or scratched your eye. In addition: if you go for an eye gouge, it's likely you will break your finger IRL because no one stands still in a fight. The dirty techniques that actually woork are kicking someones knees in or throwing sand in someones eyes (I've done both). And there's an easy and safe way to practice those techniques. Have each other wear goggles of some sort and spar at 10-30%. Instead of actually crippling your sparring partner, you can place your foot right above their knee or tap it with your foot. No one gets hurt and you build new skills. Thanks for the great vids.
As said MMA allows you to test over and over the skills learned plus the strength & conditioning and of course you are already used to getting hit in the face. If anyone remembers when they started MMA or boxing the first time you got punched felt a bit weird and intimidating, just imagine that first time happening in the street.
yeah but being punched in the head with a glove is way different than being punched in the head with a sap. Actual fighting has no rules and weapons can be introduced at any point there is an opportunity that is the difference.
@@WilliamAshleyOnline Getting stabbed with a real knife vs a plastic one is also different. ITs all about the reflexes, eye to hand coordination and stress control. Spar like these 2 a week and you will still be better off than playing out unrealistic scenarios at a Krav Mega gym. ruclips.net/video/jpUGKtXJCHw/видео.html
Thanks for your opinion, I studied KM, Karate and Jiu jitsu, for many many years. And I've been in a handful of dangerous situations as a traveler, wrong time, wrong place... I was mentally prepared to fight, but I saved my ass with a question... One time I asked the aggressor : "where's your brother?" He answered and asked where I knew his brother from. "Never mind," I said and asked why he preferred Adidas (logo on his trousers) we had a conversation about sportswear and he forgot about the money he needed to get some other stuff... The secret to a long life is knowing when it's time to go, I mean stay cool and don't panic.
@Senju Clan both :). Krav has enough grappling to teach u how to deal with opponents that dont know how to. And ju jitsu will help u become proficient enough to beat other grapplers. But start with krav first as most people who start fights and muggings dont know ju jitsu and ju jitsu wont always help with those situations while krav will
I definitely agree
This is the best rationale I’ve seen on the RUclips’s yet. It all depends on the viciousness of your attacker and what his intent is. If it’s a frat boy chump with something to prove, you’ll likely dominate with most martial arts. If it’s a real predator type who will kill you, your dojo training won’t be too handy. I have some training in BJJ but still carry a knife and conceal a 9mm at all times, and always practice situational awareness because the best thing to do is avoid situations where you’ll be attacked in the first place.
I think what people fail to account for is the fact that both KM and MMA are constantly evolving. If anything, Krav Maga is borrowing or adding techniques from MMA. They’re almost identical in terms of basic technique, but radically different in approach.
MMA borrowed from every where else, hence the name, MIXED martial arts.
@@thepatriot.5112 so did Krav Maga
Mhmm.. from mma you saying.. i thine you don't know much about kraj maga and whole martial art history. What you gonna tell about mma roots, master? Waiting for answer
Very good point, RealisticRage
In my youth I had three older brothers that used to routinely beat my ass, so I never had a problem when it came to any one on one street or school yard fight (even against someone older or larger). Maybe someone should just open a gym where three punks kick your butt for no reason and make you do their chores three days a week - by the time someone messes with you you'll have so much pent-up anger that you'll probably rip their fucking head off..
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I decided to take both mostly mma and later take Krav Maga since Krav Maga is mma with other teachings
There is almost no difference in most of the techniques. Imi was a national boxing and wrestling champion. The difference lies in the situation for which you are training, and perhaps some of the training methods (although that depends mostly on your school, not the system itself).
I believe Boxing,wrestling,judo,and kick Boxing is for real life situations. The more you sparr and struggle with an opponent; the better chance you will have on the street. Karate is also good if you have a teacher that allows full contact sparring.
I couldn't agree more.
Yes alot of people will say that grappling is the worst thing to do for a street fight however they fail to realize that althoug wrestling is about rolling and taking poditions on a mat not all body slams end with you and your opponent on the ground a body slam where the other person is the only one to fall in the street is game over.
it all helps.
wisest comment on here!
Basically it comes down to the reality of the training in what ever style you do.
I’ve seen dudes who are trained as well as dudes who are untrained beat up multiple people AND I’ve seen dudes with knives get disarmed too.. streets of London are a funny place 😂
Training goes a long way
Good video. Krav Maga instructor here. You're spot on. It all depends on the school. My school spars kickboxing style, both light contact and heavy contact and we pressure test some (but not all) of our skills against a dude in a suit regularly. As you note, some of this stuff, unlike BJJ, just can't be pressure tested. How can we "pressure test" an eye gouge or a bite? While I have been attacked on the street and used my skills to effectively defend myself, any school that doesn't at least spar in some way is putting their students at a significant disadvantage. This is why many dudes call "malarkey" on some Krav schools...they have real world combat or force-on-force experience and know from said experience that those defenses simply won't work against a fully resistant opponent.
There is an assumption that Self Defense does not train all out fighting like MMA too. Krav Maga should have fighting against resisting opponents, even multiple attacker. Self Defense getting home when at a severe disadvantage & many times it avoidance, deescalation and methods to disengage. Running to safety is also sound self defense. When Krav Maga is taught properly, it consists of real fight training like MMA, and practical self defense methods to survive random acts of violence. You certainly were training at a Krav location that was missing key elements of the system.
Souljerz where in the country do you recommend
@@TheMrAssassinchillz any where connected to the krav maga federation thats based in nyc
The way I understand it (and it may be different for different organisations) Krav Maga has sparring against resisting opponent rather late in the curriculum at a higher levels. Proper sparring against multiple opponents happens only at the very end of the training. I think it is the last lesson for the Israel Military, they get a minute or several minutes, where they go against multiple opponents, it is not about winning, but about keeping going and not giving up.
There’s a famous video on the net of a Turkish boxer taking out half a dozen guys. So it’s not always ‘nil’
Good point and Ive seen that video. Ive found its mainly grapplers who say no martial art prepares you for multiple opponents. This is when you hilight the dangers of grappling in a real situation. I always link in that video to show you do have a chance and its striking/boxing.
@@mikeypc3592 Grappling should be used as a last resort.
Yes dude. I know that video. Name of him Nuh Demircan. Now he is bodyguard of very famous business woman in Turkiye.
Thats a strawman, Mr. Hippo :) top of the line amateur boxer against several untrained, UNARMED men stumbling over one another. Brock Lesnar would dominate them too, that doesnt mean wrestling is answer for fighting multiple people.
You bring friends and weapons against multiple people, not some "superior" martial art.
@@mikeypc3592 cute.. Try your striking in street fight with a DIV 1 wrestler or Judoka and photograph for posterity the moment you land teeth first into the concrete.
😏Some interesting points.
As the old addage goes, everybody has a plan until they get popped in the face.
The best tool for self defense is being able to think while being threatened or attacked. This is the most difficult part of self defense in my opinion.
If you can overcome the most difficult aspect you can win with a single punch. But you still might lose regardless of whatever skills you possess.
Lol /$mirk
Exactly my opinion & experience in the ring!
Thnx for making me laugh.
Daniel M 🐾
Agreed. Muscle memory and confidence in chaos is key. My limited experince on the street I can't say I thought about a thing in the first 15 seconds. Just pure muscle memory and that was a power double leg. Done perfectly due to my time pressure testing and sparring. I did not think. I just did.
Which is why I think self defense martial arts work once you already have a good base. But by its self I am skeptical.
I've just started Krav Maga and have been doing it for one month as part of a 3 month long Basic Course.
I'm a normal guy who had no training in any martial arts. I'm just learning this so that I can defend myself against a criminal. I have no intention of picking a fight with anyone.
Will Krav Maga help me in a regular mugging or assault? Or should I learn something else?
I'm a skinny guy. It's kind of important for me to learn self-defence cause I'm more likely to get picked on then bigger stronger guys.
Some years ago I had two guys break into my motel room while myself and my girl friend were inside. Needless to say we had a hell of a fight before they ran out of the room. I don't think they expected me to be in the room. I managed to through one over my shoulder into the corner of a dresser and he ran out followed by his partner. But this was after about a minute (seems like an hour) of intense fighting. . I was taken to the floor at first but somehow managed to get on my feet probably because they were untrained on keeping someone down. Also my girlfriend screamed with one guy approached her and this scream set of and intense defense mode in me. It was like throwing a switch. This is as I remember is some years later and thing may have been a little different.
I did have a face that showed I'd been in a fight and broke a finger hitting a guy in his open mouth. But we survived and they ran. Now they attacked me once the broke the door down and ran into the room. So the fight was on. I went from laying on the bed in my underwear to fight mode in a very short period. There was not fight or flight. I had no choice but to fight and protect her.
I say all that to point out that my mind was very focused during the attack and I felt no pain and had a single minded intent to drive them out of the room. TO me that was winning keeping her safe and getting them out. I had some basic self defense courses that was very eclectic in style. It included some basic kicks, punches, grabbing, arm locks and take downs. BUT let me say it again - -B A S I C. Most of the fight was just raw animal instinct. I did throw the guy over my shoulder and almost without thinking but that was a throw I'd practiced since childhood and had less to do with the self-defense classes. Most of it looked like a bar fight accept I was in my underwear. .
I also as a kid did wrestling (not formal ) and such so I was accustomed to physical conformations for sport or play. I had also been in a few fights but really not that many.. I will talk my way if of a fight if given a chance.
As I said one of the two I throw over my shoulder when he tried to grab me from behind. The other one I did some damage to his face, eyes and one hand (fingers) by twisting it. I again think it would of been a different ball game if they were more trained as I would of been in deep shit. I would guess however that my face looked very fucking intense at the time.
I had surgery on my broke finger and took some jokes from friends about the black eye but I was fine... It was a much better outcome than it could of been. If they had displayed guns or knives I'd be in deep shit.
I think it is mindset .. Granted if I had not, by instinct known to bend my knees and pull him on my back before throwing him on the corner of the dresser in the room things might of been different. I think it took the fight out of him and give the other one the impression I knew more about martial arts than I actually did. SO they ran out (my opinion as to why they left )..
I don't know that the training helped as it was more like a bar fight to me.
One thing I forgot to say is that shortly after I returned home a guy that taught some form of martial arts (I don't remember what type now) said I would not of broke my finger if I'd attended his self-defense class. It kinda pissed me off. Yea I broke a finger defending against two attackers and we were otherwise unharmed (accept my face showed I'd been in a fight ) . We were not robbed and she was not beat up or raped. I was happy with the result and I am not sure any martial art could insure you would not get a finger broke in a REAL life fight against two guys about my side (6'0") breaking into my room.
Im doing boxing but i dont feel it will cut it if i ever met someone with a good kick or something, and im thinking about doing Krav Maga as well, will the training go hand in hand or will the fighting styles combat one another?
KM and boxing sounds like an excellent combination!
Chris Kennedy What about taekwondo, Muay thai and krav maga combination?
Oskar Louis Bøggild At my gym boxing and kickboxing are a big part of Krav Maga’s curriculum. Know this, Krav Maga is a mixture of martial arts from the world put into a survival based system. It is based on the idea to end a fight as quickly as possible or to allow one to run or get a gun. Unlike , mma it doesn’t teach one to go toe to toe. With that said, I’ve learned that some techniques can’t be used on an I damaged opponent and must be broken down or maybe you’ll find yourself in the position due to the chaotic nature of fighting . Anyway, it teaches other aspects like situational awareness which will help you to be in a better position if you do get jumped or to avoid it all together. I train Krav Maga and I am supplementing it with Muay Thai, BJJ and Judo. I also, read a lot of manuals from other styles as well . Short answer learning something new is never a waste of time . There is always something to learn whether it is physically, mentally, or spiritually.
Better to be well trained in one technique than ok in several.
you will never meet anyone with a good kick who assaults you,attackers are mostly untrained but often bigger and very violent.Boxing is great for self defense but wrestling or judo or bjj would be best compliment,you dont need any additional striking art.
Krav maga in it's truest fashion is a good solid mixture of boxing, muay thai, judo, jiu-jitsu, wing chun and modern military hand to hand training in knife, pistol and rifle disarming techniques. Making krav maga more of a mixed martial art and combative than mma. I practice at a krav maga school and it's pretty legit as far as my opinion goes. It's not intended to turn people into Steven Seagal or Jean-Claude Van Damme but it will prepare people how to fend off an attack better than most fighting systems. With that said, self defense is a mindset; not a fighting style. The best defense against a dangerous situation is situational awareness. Become a master at that and your chance of ever having to use any physical defense will be reduced to almost 0℅.
WOW !!! great answer
Master of none, beginner in all...
nope, there isnt krav maga sport but there are a couple of Krav Maga fighters in MMA already.
Joe.....Nailed it. I've a background in American Kickboxing, Kung Fu, GoJu, Japanese Jujitsu, Judo and Aikido. I served 6 years with the military and then moved into policing. Now that I'm retired, I wish I had learned Krav Maga earlier. I practice it now with an IDF trained instructor from Greece. Our key training is ALWAYS situational awareness and look for the way out. Because at the end of the day, where do you prefer to be? At home in bed or on the street, dead? Now, that being said, I'm not knocking sport fighting. If you have those tools, they are very good assets. But they are boundaries and rules that are to heed. Does this make the practitioner's any different? Not in the slight. But how much environmental and situational awareness experience do they have? Depends. If they never really have been in a life and death situation, it's advisable not to let your skills get to your head. If someone's familiar with street life, they may be more alert to their surroundings. Krav Maga is more of technical and applied warfare tactics. (And not these unsanctioned RUclips vids. I'm talking about actual IDF Krav Maga) It's tactics based on survival and actually neutralizing your enemy(ies). Not going to the ground and pounding him or hoping for a tap out. Because he may have some pals hanging around or might have stuff that cuts or fires ammo.
krav maga claim a lot of things but evidence none...MMA is pure evidence
We spar all the time in the Krav classes I go to. It’s usually, we train a set of movements for most of the class with a partner and then at the end of class you spar with that set and there are clear winners and losers. Like in jiu jitsu, we more often spar the stuff that you don’t need gloves for because it’s a lot quicker and safer to get in to. We still do full sparring sessions with gloves where anything goes though. We also spar with weapons but weapons suck because you will always be at a severe disadvantage no matter how skilled you are but of course that’s just a reason to train weapons even more. If you have a rudimentary foundation of grappling and striking then you can beat the average trouble maker off the street but only weapons training will prepare you for dealing with an armed attacker. It make me you sound cool to shit on the guys who train worst case scenarios but those guys already have enough striking and grappling to handle best case scenario so it only makes sense to train more and more difficult situations. If your training consists of everybody following a set of rules then you’re not very well prepared for the real world. Nobody says any nonsense like “we’re going to teach you how to take on a gang of armed thugs with nothing but your bare hands” because that would be ridiculous and the most deadly humans on the planet would avoid that situation at all costs haha. What they do say is “hey, being unarmed and facing an armed attacker sucks and you need to avoid that all costs. If you can’t avoid it though, you should at least do your best prepare yourself for that situation.” To be fair though, I don’t think my gym even officially uses the word Krav because they’ve altered and expanded upon traditional Krav so much that they’re only as similar as most “self defense” courses.
Great Video!! I will agree that no one technique wins a fight. However, I will add that I have been training in Krav for about 2 years now and we do have sparring sessions similar to MMA. We perform stand up sparring during the week and ground fighting ( sparring) on the weekends. I also supplement some of this training with Jujitsu. Thanks for the vid.
Strike hard, strike first no mercy. Sensei John Kreese (Karate Kid). All jokes aside that’s great advise and in a situation on the streets with any kind of combat background it will give you a good chance.
The world is full of tough dudes that have never trained a day in there life. Normally because they are strong, aggressive and they’re brutal. Don’t think you’re going to be able to pepper an 18st dude who is aggressive as hell with jabs and low kicks in a bar fight when he is windmilling you with all he has. Unless you’re Danny Larusso that is.
Life aint a movie
@@symcarnage5703 Actually art imitates life.
You can practice eye gouges and nut strikes you just simulate it repeatedly, and use groin guards etc
the good reason to do this is to train the muscle memory
Actually we do kick to the groin during sparring. Of course we wear groin protection. And we spar with shoes on (you don't walk bare feet on the streets!)
you cannot practice it by simulation because the opponent wont react to it realistically
Krav maga originated from the Israeli military meant for killing and street fighting
Guns, knives, and dirty fighting
Now it became a marketing mc dojo
My instructor was a navy seal, back in the military
He taught us about groin hits, eye gouging, biting, and other survival techniques.
As well as with melee weapons, and took us for shooting at the shooting range.
But he also made us do sparring ,
Actual sparring, he taught us primarily boxing and wrestling with some muay thai kicks and bjj submissions as he was an mma instructor as well
But in sparring he said, use whatever is suitable for you
Of course we sparred with mma rules, we weren't gonna kill each other in training
There is a difference between theory and practice he said
In theory they are both the same
In practice, they are not
You're not gonna roll in concrete using bjj moves
You're not gonna fight fair if someone is bigger than you on the streets, you're not gonna rush on someone if he is holding a knife, and you're not gonna play hero on someone who is aiming a gun at you
I miss him, he was an actual teacher, not just a meathead selling his dojo,
His dojo was a basement with a small mma cage, and other equipments like skip rope, first aid kits and melee weapons like wooden staff
No fake knives, no nothing
In training, we were taught how to fight dirty
In sparring we were taught how to fight fair and square and learn how to take a punch on the face and a slam on the ring
In the streets, we learned how to stay calm and not pick a fight with a loud mouth prick
In the streets, we learned how to use our training to DEFEND AND USE IT FOR SELF DEFENSE until the police would come and put an end to the conflict
In the street we learned to run away if we were outnumbered or if anyone would hold a knife or a gun
And thanks to him, I became who I am today
Krav maga is all about marketing
If you want to learn how to defend yourself
Make sure your instructor HAS the expertise and experience to teach you that.
Peace.
Facts
The real answer: Who is doing the art? Who are they defending against? That is what decides how effective that martial art is. In other words.... "Someone ALWAYS knows more."
If you are Jon Jones or Gsp or lomachenko none know more than you.....
I think you are on the right pathway. Traditional Martial Arts are based on arts that are out of date. You do need to have a Love/Hate between Self Defense & Sport Fighting. The thing you are missing are the different levels there are. Yes, there are Traditional MA which today have evolved into belt system oriented, historical art and sport fighting which in essence is play fighting for fans. Both of these styles are missing a key element.... Life or Death. MMA is great, Boxing is great, Muay Thai is great, but you are focusing on the competitors being one on one, within 10 lbs of each other, and playing by the rules. Traditional arts are focused on Kata, belts, one point knockouts etc. Tactical Combat is not focused on engagement, its purpose is to finish someone without making noise, without gaining attention and likely depends on yours and your teams lives being at stake. Martial Science is the focus of real self defense. If BJJ or MMA is popular or Krav Maga is now gaining fame, a true self defense practitioner needs to be involved in all of those, along with weapons training, multiple attacker and weapon awareness and proficiency training. Most of what you see people training for is sport self defense which by American Law is know as mutual combat or a Street fight. Street Fighting is not self defense. You win a street fight. YOU SURVIVE a self defense. Sport Fighting and Martial Arts are the tools, weapons are tools, multiple attackers, getting punched while you sleep in bed, a van pulling up and yanking your child away from you into human trafficking are self defense. I love the martial arts. You need both and all variations to be truly effective... but self defense is a militant mindset you must train equal to sport fighting conditioning and training and the weapons or eye gouging techniques you learn are all useless when you don't understand that most self defense situations that are real (not internet self defense), happen instantly, violently, and with real consequence. Self Defense is Life or Death. Without understanding this you are set for trouble. Visit some 3rd world, very poor areas dressed nice acting entitled and then prepare to test yourself for real self defense.
BTW, I am not trying to be an asshole. I really like your comments and think you are on the right path. You can still push an eyeball in, in controlled training or learn injurious pressure strikes in control the same way you may learn a joint lock without destroying a persons joint each time. I like your channel and have subscribed. I hope we can open a dialog and maybe do a video blog or discussion together.
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Respectfully,
Grand Master Greg Fraser
Jing Shen Kuoshu: Martial Science & Functional Fitness
Could I ask that you read my reply to Reply to Timothy Maggard below and tell me what you think.
I agree that a strong limit to some martial art techniques is that you cannot apply them completely because you need your partner to stay safe. This is especially true for weapons training, and also in modern firearms where people learn to shoot targets in a variety of ways.
This limit is one of the reason why forms were developed, to train with full intensity without injury.
Anyway, any training method would simply be an approximation of reality. Take the groin kick: you may practice the kick with protection (in that case the recipient might not feel anything and would not react naturally) , you could avoid to kick the groin at all or you could simulate the target with bags or simply stop the technique before reaching the target. None of these is the real thing, but the only true alternative would be kicking random guys in the groin on the Street, not a practical one at all.
Krav maga, not realistic even though the military teaches it to our soldiers. I think you believe that krav maga is just biting and hair pulling. Just like every other fighting style, (if you have a proper instructor) your taught to run away if your able to. Like you said, both will prepare you for a fight but you made krav maga seem unrealistic. Krav maga is mma but it removes all the rules and shows you moves that arent allowed in competition.
Doesn't sound like he really knows Krav Maga.
Your discussion of this has been more balanced and fair than some I've heard.
I watched your Krav Maga video. It looked like you were mostly in the level 1 classes. If you had been able to observe some level 4 or above instruction and drilling you would have a better understanding of where they were headed. I think level 9 is the equivalent of a "black belt", but I'm not sure. I have only been though 8 months of the introductory level myself so I am definitely not some kind of expert or badass.
Something people should keep in mind (in general, different schools teach and emphasize different things) is that Krav Maga was originally adopted as a 14 day crash course in self defense to take people going into the IDF or other military/leo roles from zero to some kind of competency in basic fighting skills. I think it does this as good or better than such a 14 day course than many other martial arts would achieve.
As you mentioned, it does a good job of instilling tenacity and confidence.
Hello there, do you have any material with the original curriculum from this 14 day crash course? I wanna take a look at it.
AlexEinherjar they still do it in the Israeli military when you first sign up to give you the aggressive and initiative mentality that is in Krav Maga
Its not so much which thing you choose to learn, ofcourse be smart, forget tai chi, but when you think muay thai, bjj, wrestling, boxing etc and then add in krav maga, its how you utilise it, how aggressive you are, your hesitation time, your reaction times, and your combat intelligence to see openings and exploit them quickly that determines what happens, i always say learn as little as possible as in drill what works on anyone of any size and strength and dismiss what doesnt, and repetition, repetition, until it is second nature, and obviously common sense, you dont want to go to the ground in a bar, but in a carpark, with your friends keeping his in check, take him down, krav maga has a lot that is a waste of time against a strong opponent, and a lot that is useful against most people, so you need to weight up each opponent individually and decide how to deal with them, if theyre a 250lb roid head stick to basics, forget little wrist locks, take him down, choke him out, in a bar, strikes, combinations, fast and hard look to his friends, then take off, thats my methods.
Seems like a pretty accurate breakdown. Live sparring or pressure testing helps to prepare. Knowing some dirty tricks isnt bad either.
i be flossin
Very good video. I think you made some very great points, especially how you weren't biased and looked at the advantage and disadvantages of these fighting styles.
However, I do believe it's possible to survive or not get shot or cut by weapons if you're in a situation with good training. It's not easy by any means but I know someone who personally survived with his previous training. And while self-defense styles aren't perfect it's better to go into a fight with training than no training at all.
I have question for you. Honestly, I don't think that you are gonna attack me on street for any reason. I also don't think that any professional fighter attack me too. Maybe a kid who new in boxing what to proff something but If you know you can break someone's bones then you probably won't start an attack.
The thing in street is if someone attack me he's either will be drunk, or in effect of drug, or homeless .etc in based he'is not gonna be professional fighter. I think any person who know any self defense system can beat them.
The main problem part is probably criminals... A thief and ex-boxer... Now for to being honest If he has a knife, or gun, or more than one person... I dont think that any mma style martial arts gonna work, because they never work against guns or knifes or against more than 1v1...
I mean let's be honest. We are men. I'm still young but I'll get married soon or later and I should protect my family against a thief, or my girlfriend or you know it's a instinct. And in streets there are no rules, there are knifes, guns, baseball bats etc. What do you really suggest for that except for running and not being in that situation.
Really good points! And really good question. Everyone should hear the answer so I'll make a video about this soon 👍
@@HomelessNinjaKennedy Chris the thing is I'm in middle of my twenties. I'm not gonna plan a career on any professional fight system. I just want to protect myself and my family. And honestly more than %99 percent of watching these videos like me.
In professional system like MMA or even a karate there is a resisting opponent. Which is (at least for me) absolute must thing. That is the reason they actually work in real life 1v1 unarmed fights. On the other hand as I mentioned in real life it doesn't have to be unarmed or 1v1. Like 2 thief came in your home. You cannot run, but you have to do something.
Obviously you know better than me. What can you suggest guy like us, guy like just want to protect themself and their family. I want so see something like "okey. now, a person gonna attack you, and you're not gonna know his age, height, weight, sport experience, unarmed or armed, and you're not gonna now is he only one or with his friends. And they gonna really try to kill you, not act like them. Defend yourself" I believe that is the real life situation. What is the most closest fighting style or self defense or whatever you call? What is your suggestion. (By the way I'd like to open an idea something like, one year mma, after that krav maga .etc)
I really think that krav maga is built for these type of situations
Ask BJ Penn and McGregor if a proffesional fighter does not randomly streetfight somebody. It's on video on YT. Bas Rutten, Jan Plas, The French Karate team in the old era, all had street fights with normies under different circumstances, so think again.
Your thoughts on this make sense.
Interesting note: Krav Maga's history was that it originated in part from its founder doing wrestling & boxing, two parts of mma / modern martial arts, but grew from there to incorporate others as these two initial components didn't seem sufficient.
What it's become in its present form may very well be a diluted version of what hailed from or used to be... Or maybe those of us who don't stand by Krav Maga entirely are just seeing beginner's KM.
I agree with him. The sport wrestling, Judo, Catch Wrestling, boxing, Muay Thai are better than the art because with the sport you practice with a resistant opponent.
I actually do both anyway.
the advantage of combat-sports (full contact, like MMA, MT, KB etc.) is having the pressure of the fight using + receiving full power, but sanctioned under a rule-set, weightclass, preparation, knowing you opponent (one - not multiple), no weapons, a. s. o. The advantage of self-defense-styles (like KM, WT/WC, MSD, etc. is preparing for a fight without rules weight-class, unknown number of opponents, possible weapons a. s. o. - but it´s difficult to train using full force (unless you use full protection, like blackman-suits) . A "real" street-attack (different to a street-fight between 2 guys who wanna beat up each other) never looks similar to a sports-combat, so if you want to prepare for a fight between hooligans of for K. O. T. S. a. s. o. train MMA, for self-defense-purposes train KM & Co., but incl. sparring (vs. 1 + multiple opponents) as realistic as possible for the health of your sparring-partners).... The best street-fighter is the one having experience inside ring/cage + as security, bodygurad, soldier, hooligan, etc. Youfight the way you train, so if you train for a sanctioned bout, you´ll fight incl. the rules - if you train for self-defense and never have been attacked under pressure + you´re not used to receive + use full power, your training won´t prepare you properly.. Most important in SD is learning how to deescalate a fight and/or getting prepared mentally for dangerous situations. Some great sprt-fighters have been destroyed on the street/in a bar, just because they didn´t relaize that the fight started anyway.
Learn both. You'll react accordingly depending on the situation.
You need both kinds of training!!! At Kudo Ryu Bujutsu we STUDY and PRACTICE EVERYTHING!!! Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Boxing, Muay Thai, Mixed Martial Arts, Krav Maga, Sambo, Ninjutsu, Military Knife Fighting Systems and ANYTHING ELSE we can GET OUR HANDS ON!!! We remain OPEN MINDED to ALL ARTS and ALL TRAINING METHODS...but SPORT (RESISTANCE TRAINING) and SELF-DEFENSE / TRADITIONAL MARTIAL ARTS are STUDIED and PRACTICED with RESISTANCE WHENEVER and WHERE-EVER POSSIBLE!!!
Love the video thank you I was hesitati'g between Krav Maga and BJJ but I think Im gonna go with BJJ at a Gracie Bara Academy in my Town
Gracie Bara is an excellent choice 👍
Krav Maga is the art of the sucker punch if executed properly. I defy anyone to fight with someone's thumbs rammed into the back of their eye sockets. Krav Maga has to be viewed as, better than nothing.
From the modest exposure I've had to krav, a good school regularly pressure tests (at appropriate levels) and has special classes in striking, grappling, multiple opponents, etc., based on the principle of "what works". Also, many krav students aren't athletes, but average types seeking a self defense edge against a punk or bully, not a highly trained/fit combatant. I believe krav can train to beat those higher level opponents, but, like anything, it takes a lot of training and conditioning.
There’s too much fake McMaga out there. I’d say Just practice both but good luck finding legit km. There are 3 legit kmf schools in the states in nyc & 1 in Baltimore Plenty of full sparring and cups. Gotta try a year in Israel or Poland & Absolutely add bjj. Take what works for you where you can find it. Be well.
I would like to tell you a real story (i watched the video) a krav maga trainer (he was in special forces in israel and so on) was in a gas station, one guy hit his wife and he stepped in, 5 big guys jumped at him one with a knife and in 34 sec (its even written in the suit against him) he send all the 5 guys to the hospital when he almost didn't even got a scratch on him. This is real life, not a movie not an opinion. So... Check again. I know you said it's your opinion but again, that really happened i saw the video in my own eyes
MMA for sure no doubt...
I agree with Chris. I have started Krav Maga. There are so many variables in all these situations. Best to avoid, if in the US a gun wins every time. Then the situations where you don't have a choice and this is the main point i think to any style you are using. Also if you read the million books out there by x bouncers they will tell you some people can be big, strong and know how to punch and kick but on the moment how you have to react. Many don't when push comes to shove. I personally don't think 1 is overall better. a crap MMA versus a decent boxer versus a highly experienced Jiu Jitsu can be the difference also. My belief for good self defence is keep it simple, distance, react and extract if given the choice.
i'll throw my 2 cents in, will probably end up being a dollar though
25 years in Nightclub work; and when i have to control someone in a fight, my brain says: 'this technique does work, but be ready to go to the next..repeat as needed"... or as a saying goes "Good martial arts will not look good on TV" (supposedly said by Bruce Lee, i can't confirm this)... a perfect example was 1 street fight i got into
Long story short: guy rushes me...i go for my favorite hold (standing arm triangle)..he's all sweaty, slips my attempt, gets under my arms and bulldogs me into a window...i fishhook him, turn my hips and yank him as hard as i could..i end up in full mount with him laying on his side...his friend takes him away before i bash his temple into the tile
anyone who tries to teach you .."here you do this, then this, then this" is setting you up for failure in a street fight, shit changes waaay to fast, this is where Judo/BJJ excels
there are Fight 'Stoppers' and 'Fight Enders' .. an simple example of a 'stopper' is a solid punch to the gut that knocks the wind from his sails and doubles him over...the fight has stopped, but he can start right back up ...'enders' are where your adversary is knocked or choked out, or a severe pain injury...any of which allows you to walk away from the situation with confidence in knowing that he aint coming for more any time soon
i love some good Muay Thai..but..i'm not a big fan of kicks or knees in a street fight, i just don't think its wise to remove half of your mobility against a 'fresh' attacker and expose your leg so high...judo trips are better because your feet are still very low by comparison
Awareness is in my opinion huge in any sort of altercation, example..guy at a bar gets into a bit of an arguement with random guy!!..few words passed guy turns to put his drink on the counter.gets sucker punched and glassed..zero training will help you there..situation awareness. Is key, also..unless you're in a life or death situation..which 99.9% of us will never be..if you gouge out someones fuckin eyeballs you're going to jail
With COVID and monkey pox I would not bite anyone lol
It's like saying gracie self defense/combatives vs MMA.... the training protocol will dictate technique effectiveness. MMA is more specialized PLUS foundational skill set with physical conditioning. MMA should be the foundation you build off of. Specialize in a favorite art be it grappling or striking and it could be anything. Only after that you can enter the realm of Krav maga or any other defense tactics/ reality based programs etc. The names will vary from combatives or cqc street etc. The reality is basic boxing/kickboxing + wrestling /jiujitsu is the way to go. Bruce Lee really did his best to get to this point in his trainers well as his cinematic approach
The practice of a full contact sport give more opportunities to save your ass in hostile backgrounds. Never fight on the ground.....is very dangerous.....you will have deep bruise all over the body and if bad luck comes.... somebody could kick your head inthe middle of a submission....avoid the ground if you can.
obvious answer is to do both ,resistence and combat s
I mean seriously how are so many people not understanding this?
I agree! The idea is BJJ + a striking art. You use the striking art according to your body type and scenarios!
As these two sides of the coin are debating these ego fed arguments that one is better than the other...the wise are training in both. I teach Samurai Jujutsu and our Modern Jujutsu is a combination of jujutsu, muaytai, sambo and USMC h2h. Kata for learning techniques, drills and sparing for learning how to apply them in real situations, and we occasionally surprise students with multiple attacks and trainer knives into sparing and flow grappling secessions
We need some real early UFC NO RULE style vs style back again to prove this shitt once and for all 👊👊👊so daam tired of this bullshitt talk what is better crap.We have to have real challenge fights put up on RUclips it is the only way to answer these questions😐😐 UFC BJJ matches have too many rules now, that is why people are confused and can easily talk shitt about each style 😐😒
So there's Actually an old schools UFC fight were it was krav maga vs a D1 wrestler eventually became I think like a 3x ADCC champion and a jiu jitsu black belt and the fight between them is almost laughable of the realistic ability of krav maga in a rule set that had little to no rules. The fight is Actually UFC 14 Moti horenstein vs mark kerr. Moti horenstein's record was 1-6 and was Actually a commander in the Israeli army. Sounds tough right? Got man handled 1st round after getting repeatedly slammed and ground and pounded by mark kerr. Also how is Cambodia?
The city I'm in, Phnom Penh, sucks lol. The rest of the country has been great though.
I would say it depends a lot on the instructor/place where you train. And how much you train. Both are good, each trains some different aspects. The way I see it Krav Maga is more about actual self defence, the mentality you need, whereas MMA is about being a capable fighter. Krav Maga prepares you for a rather asymmetrical situations, the oponent has a weapon ,or there are multiple opponents. Not that it is that likely you can win those scenarios, but you are bit more aware of them and you are more ready to keep the right situational awareness. The MMA is more about fighting 1v1 with rules and that imho translates worse into real world scenario than Krav Maga (even though you might be a more competent fighter).
Self-defense should be a basic skill just like math, reading and writing.
Jiu Jitsu is promoted as the ultimate self-defense system, but this is what Jiu Jitsu looks like against a striker and kicker (and if there are two guys against you, you're instantly doomed! The other guy will just kick you in the head while you're trying to cuddle his friend):
How Kazushi Sakuraba Destroyed the Gracie Clan
m.ruclips.net/video/yjVM1eRSPlE/видео.html
I've learned that the US Military and Secret Service, and even Israel, the home of Krav Maga, are learning Systema (which is a combat system tested and proven by the Russian Special Forces for survival during war times, unlike Jiu Jitsu, MMA and other sport martial arts, which are not only exclusively for one-on-one, but also don't train against weapons).
I wish Systema were taught in schools (starting from kindergarten) instead of useless P.E. If everyone were skilled in self-defense, there would be less assaults, kidnappings and rapes because evil-minded people would hesitate to attack anyone, knowing they'll be in for a real fight, battling for their own lives.
Here's a link about Systema:
marylandsystema.com/systema-russian-martial-arts-is-one-of-the-secret-services-strongest-weapons/
I think wrestling and Muay Thai are the best wrestling you can just slam someone and Muay Thai has the clinch and elbows you would need to know some bjj if it’s on the ground but the wrestling will help you to stand back up
Krav Maga is NOT a martial "art". its full on fighting style designed to take the average man who has no basic knowledge of fighting and giving them as much effective knowledge as possible in the shortest time possible.
Its taught in the israeli military for 3-6 months and has the bare minimum. no fancy kicks, no style point.
it meant to take you from 0 to "here is the most effective way to kick them in the dick, or open palm up strike their nose.
its was expended and evolved, but at its basis its how to survive life or death situation manual crash course.
Wow.. humble, honest guy and a down to earth, no bs answer. Good video. Thanks for posting this.
Thanks Troy I appreciate that. Not many people go out of their way to leave a nice comment, so thanks for being one of the good guys 👍🙏
I did have 3 people that where gonna jump me years ago and I offered to fight them one at a time and they agreed I whooped the fuck out of the first one real quick struggled against the second and third one that I ended up fighting at the same time but I kicked one of thems knee and he kind of stopped fighting then the third one ran off I was pretty beat up but I didn't take the first offer which was to be jumped by three guys and maybe get beaten to death. So if more than one person ever surrounds you offer to fight them 1on 1 sometimes they'll go for it
Muay Thai is very dangerous, I don’t think someone with knife has a change with real Muay Thai master
Can you oil up the chair please! I don't know why it is more annoying than usual. Great talk though! :)
I like how he says the grappler, the boxer etc. can bite and kick to the groin too. LOL
MMA could include Krav Maga because it’s mixed martial arts. Why not learn it all. Then you are the most effective
You can learn to throw a punch any number of ways for any period of time and nothing teaches you to take a punch except getting punched.
I have been training in krav maga for a couple of years and we on a weekly basis train against multiple attackers, we fight daily in class and we use knives and guns also so your opinon of krav is just that , an opinion. like one of the other comments , attend a higher level of krav and just feel how intense it really is
or go to a less shitty kM gym...sounds like someone forced him to go and he didn't really want to be there....
FAKE KNIFES AND GUNS**
Same thing as the eye poking and groin kick, how many knife wounds and bullet holes do you have on your body?
Don’t take it wrong, I do use plastic knife and air-soft gun in training and sparring too, it’s fun and gives us limited experience on how to get away from those things, but be frankly, 90% of the techniques that KM class thought on knife/gun defense are nothing close to realistic, for example, how many Krav Maga class teaches you to treat your wounds? Even the most basic: put pressure on your wounds to slow down the bleeding?
@@tangmingchen9237 Marines don't shoot each other in training. There has to be simulation. We all know it when we are doing it but it is the best we can practice without harm. Gun or knife techniques, in my opinion, are a last option and you are just giving yourself a better odds of survival.
Let me say that my training was eclectic in nature for self defense and restraining. I am sure you better trained guys could take me to school in a few seconds. However from personal experience what I know does help in a street confrontation with guy with little or no martial arts training.
@@tangmingchen9237 How often do you see MMA sparring with real knives and guns? Some things you never do for real, because it is just stupid.
NetAndyCz have I ever mentioned MMA?
I believe the contemporary martial arts are better do to actually practicing with another resisting person, sometimes larger. But keep this in mind to, I have seen a Jiu jitsu guy high mount a person in a street fight. Prone out on the guy an get bit in the stomach, causing him to go into convulsions, the guy would not let go. Top guy convaulsed so hard he was smacking his head on the ground. Just some food for thought in your practice.
I want to know what could be the best martial art for me to start, well for 1 having ailment( chronic disease) , and extreme anxiety. I want to try karate, and what I’ve gathered from 4 nights of constant video watching and practicing on my own, I like it. I’d wonder if I can try all, one class each in martial art.
Yeah i would recommend trying every martial arts gym in your town, and just see which one you like the most! I would recommend you look for the best instructor to train with, rather than the best style. Good luck and let me know how it goes!
Chris, jerry nadler wants his eyebrows back.
Krav vs mma for self defense my take . I actually took Krav for like 6 months I know not long but the only thing Krav has over mma is that is shows u how to use those arts in mma (striking:grappling ) in real life situations . It also shows u how to disarm weapons such as guns and bats metal bars you know things you see in real life situations , it also shows u how to deal with multiple opponents. So it shows real life situations. But in all honesty is this necessary? mma u have better trainers in boxing, kickboxing, muey Thai ,wrestling bjj ect . Mma also shows u how to use those arts in a real fight 1 on 1 . Mma training is Also much more intense so you get into better shape and u train with better quality sparring partners imo. Krav shows u how to use mma in real life situations as I’ve stated however do u really need to be told that your mindset must change on the streets ? Do u need to be told if there is multiple opponents u should use your wrestling and bjj to GET UP and RUN? do u need someone to tell u that if u use a double leg on the streets u shouldn’t slam your knee on the street when shooting in ? do u need to tell an mma trained fighter dealing with multiple opponents that u should stay on your feet and move quickly and strike just enough to RUN out of the situation? honestly imo no or at least I hope not lol . Does the mma fighter need to understand there are certain techniques that may not work on the streets ? Again hopefully not. Hopefully the mma fighter has common sense and knows how to adapt his mma into a street situations. So Krav isn’t that necessary imo . I think a mma fighter would benefit from a few months of Krav here n there just in case a self defense situation came up they might be better prepared in an actual street In counter but then again a lot Krav teaches is basic common sense as stated above ... if I had to choose only one that being mma or Krav for self defense mma imo is better for reasons I stated above . But if u can train both then that’s even better . Krav is better then individual arts by themself tho (boxing,wrestling,bjj ect) Bc it combines them in one complete system . Just be shure of u decide to take Krav that your instructor is qualified. :). But again if I could choose the best overall completel system for self defense mma Is King .
My Anticipation is waiting for the chair creeeeek.
This is jack ive bit two people in my life in fights 😂🤦
I believe some have already mentioned this but Krav Maga is basically mma plus weapons techniques and defenses against common holds (two handed chokes, head locks, bear hugs, etc.). The founder of Krav Maga was a boxer and wrestler. Most of the striking in Krav Maga comes from boxing, Muay Thai, and Karate. Most of the grappling comes from wrestling and bjj. If you practice mma with the intention of learning self defense, then you should supplement it with a weapons based art (kali, mcmap, etc.) and some techniques for common holds (Gracie combatives).
but MMA without the national and top level fighters damaging you in non compliant ways.
I do not agree with you. First, in traditionnal martial arts there is something called randori (in japanese martial arts) which can prepare you for some real situations with physical engagement. It' not competition, I agree, but competition is not all. Second, actual fighting sports are what they are : sports with rules, which gives you habits and it can be tricky to have too much habits. For instance, I came from Aïkido, a very traditionnal martial arts (which is far from perfection and aïkidokas can be douchebags) and I went to judo which became a sport. I can't count the number of opponents I had frustrated because I was trained to use my left side equally than my right side because of Aïkido. In judo, people are oftently trained to used their strong side because of competition. Third, you talk about a resisting opponent. It's like if self-defense is, in your vocabulary, like destroying the opposition. Sorry, I don't think so. Self-defense in my point of view is to stay safe as much as you can in a delicate situation. It's not the same thing.
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Quick question, so the gun defenses and knives Defenses that I saw with this KRAV maga with Israel military on you tube is not different then Mma? Alot of people in the real world don’t fight with their hands. I think it’s good too train in both. Hidden weapons will be the end of Mma fighters. And a trained Mma fighter in a fight could spell the end of a KRAV MAGA FIGhter. I could never pick a martial art style over any Military style. Thought ? 2 months to learn a military combat with weapons for offense and defense is not wise to make a comment. But from a fighting point of view he is right.
Strange that most militaries inthe world do not train Krav Maga, the must know something more then we do :-)
Just train Western boxing footwork timing and range is key. Any body out there go spar in a boxing gym and tell me it doesn't work is talking shit. Someone with good ring work would have you out in seconds. Throw some traditional judo tewaza and newaza in and your done. It's the complete package for self defense really. And if you have time do some mma sparring. All the other arts are really for the TV.
Judo is shit. They can not even take a friend down who is chen style tai chi guy. Btw, i knocked out a Boxer with my hung gar kungbfu skills. I bet you live in usa, the country of fake martial arts
Here's a video to just show the gap in your knowlege of Tai Chi Chuan
ruclips.net/video/q9FQql89PgU/видео.html
Really before talking on youtube about things, it's better to do a little research. But most of what you said was reasonable. Cheers enjoy your day .
Great video. It was short, but I saw the Tai Chi guy use a thrust side kick (or maybe it was a front kick? it's kind of a grainy video and hard to tell), and a hook. I did Tai Chi for a few years and we never went over those techniques. If you can find other videos of a Tai Chi practitioner using kickboxing techniques, please share!Edit: after watching the video again I realized that it wasn't the Tai Chi guy that did the kick. It was his opponent.
in short. You gotta spar. Krav Maga School or no. No sparring and just a good workout
Tai Chi Chuan is very fight based if you train with the right teacher
Hard to as they're mostly in China and there's a lot of bullshit artists there.
It's not the art it's the person
This is a false dichotomy though - KM does the self-defence stuff at the lowest levels, but once you get up a few grades, they get in the ring & spar. My kids both do KM, and they spend the latter half of each session sparring, with gloves & headguards & gumshields. They'll spar against the teacher if there's no kid their size there.
I'm so glad I started following you after taking your tai chi class at Weber a few years ago, because this is a question I'm struggling with right now!
After some events that caused me to strongly desire some fighting knowledge, my brother (2nd degree bb in tai kwan do and shotokan) recommended I study krav maga to learn how to protect myself and not get attacked again. Which I wanna learn, to protect myself and others (don't worry, no superhero mentalities with spandex and capes)....But I don't know if I even have that fierce warrior drive to physically hurt someone, even when they're attacking me........do you have additional recommendation for dealing with that, or which discipline to study with that in mind?
Hey Christine! I remember you and I'm glad you're following my channel. Yes i would recommend three styles more than any for you: Jiu Jitsu, Boxing, and Krav Maga. A combination of the three would be ideal, but if you only have time/money to learn one, any of those three would do nicely. Are you still in Ogden? There are three main gyms i would recommend in Ogden: West Side Jiu Jitsu, Foley's MMA, and World Martial Arts and Fitness Academy. Good luck!
@@HomelessNinjaKennedy 😁 you have lots of students, but I'll still take the compliment that you remember my silly self.
I'm not in Ogden anymore, but down in Murray. IDEALLY, I'd love to cut my teeth on all three, but time will push me to one for now, to start. If you have any recommendations farther south, would love to take a look!! I'm REALLY anxious/ excited to seriously start a discipline 🤩 (noob question) do dojos and gyms sometimes offer combination training?
@@DaGingerWombat i don't know many gyms in the Murray area. But yes, many gyms will include several disciplines in their membership.
@@HomelessNinjaKennedy perfect. Thank you for the advice!! I'll definitely continue to follow your channel, these videos are great!
I don’t entirely agree with the last point. While yes there are specific moves you can’t spar with full force (such as eye gouging and groin kicks) you can definitely train aspects such as the kickboxing and bjj with full force. You can pretty much spar (partially) every technique with full force as long as you don’t (for example) provide full force in a groin kick or not wear a mask in an eye gouge.
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As someone who practices Krav Maga, he does have a point.
Its not that Krav Maga "doesn't work", but some moves are so aggressive and damaging that you can't really go all the way with your moves anyway, which essentially makes you unprepared for a real fight.
Also, this of course depends on the school and coach, but pressure testing against resisting opponents is more of a rarity than the norm in Krav Maga, which is definitely something you need in order to fight a real fight.
Krav Maga works, as long as you are adaptable, have initiative and actually do pressure sparring against resisting opponents when practising.
As far as I know KM is the training military does, somehow that is really a big deal, I mean they sure can defend themselves
I did full contact krav maga for a four years where we did all exercises with full force. Also we had a team where people who wanted to spare with each other could participate in MMA like fights. Can't count how many times I've been knocked or choked out but fighting against different fighters is the way to go. That was really, really good. I moved away and tried out krav maga in a new club and that was absolutely useless.. exercises had to be done slow and without force and full contact wasn't allowed.. So I guess there's a lot of different approaches.
I like your mentality on this subject.i think both can prepare you to fight but so many variables can happen in a street fight vs ring.your mentality is great wish others had the same
Glad I stumbled across this..We practice eye flicks using protective goggles..!!!
I have many many year's of being a doorman under my belt. I also served time in the Force's and did other security in various country's. So I have lots of experience in street fights. I wouldn't like to have to count the number of fights I have had in clubs and on the street. I haven't had any in ring fights, but I have had many hours of sparring. In my opinion no matter what you train NOTHING prepares you for a real street fight. The speed and viciousness of it will shock most people. I have seen guy's with years of martial arts training behind them, being destroyed by guy's half their size. And with no training whatsoever. In sport you start the fight at each side of the ring/cage. And the ref asking are you ready. In real life you usually don't see it coming. Very often you have been hit several times before you realise that you are in a fight. And yes I know we all should learn to read a situation, and control the distance. So this doesn't happen. And I can do that every single time, IN THE GYM! But I have never had a real street fight in any gym. The first 5 seconds of a fight in the street is the important part. After that you have either found you bearings, or you have been destroyed. There is no bell in the street, and no ref to spot you tapping out.
I happen to know for fact that you, Steven Seagal and Frank Dux are for real. I too had a very interesting career in the military and CIA. It all started when I was 16 years old. Due to my martial arts prowess, I was recruited by the U.S. Navy and flew M1 Abrams tanks off carriers for them. I served in the same squadron with Tom Cruise, Val Kilmer, and Flash Gordon (he was best man at my wedding to Miss Saigon). I even went to Top Gun School with Tom and Val and won the Trophy. My Tank racked up more kills than all the other tanks in my Squadron, combined. Later on, my Squadron CO accused me of being TOO aggressive. So I had to knock him out with a spinning Flying Squirrel kick to the balls. Needless to say, I spent some time in the brig where the guards made us prisoners fight in Kumite style Death Matches which they took bets on. The guards would host the matches and secretly bring in VIPs from high levels of govt and industry. Some of the people who watched me fight were the President of the United States, the VP, Secretary of Defense, Senators, Congressmen, Pat Sajack from Wheel of Fortune, and the manager of the Waffle House. After executing several hundred prisoners, it was determined that I was too deadly to be kept in the brig so I was transferred over to the U.S. Coast Guard where I flew B-2 Stealth Bombers because they were short pilots and bombardiers. I never needed a bombardier on my crew because I can use my Chi to guide bombs to the target with pinpoint accuracy. After single handedly destroying an entire enemy special forces army, I was recruited by the CIA. I can't talk much about what I did for the CIA, but let's just say I have more confirmed kills than ALL OTHER CIA Agents, Army SEALs, Navy Delta Forces, Air Force Recon, and Marine Corps Para Rescue... COMBINED. Due to my amazing prowess in the field, the Director of the CIA personally selected me to become the youngest ever, and one of only 12 Pokemon trainers in the entire CIA. You gotta a catch 'em all.... that's what I did. Due to the extremely high classification of the project and need for absolute secrecy, our Base of Operations was Skull Island. Consequently, my final classified mission was coordinating with British MI6, the Royal Family,..... Because there have been multiple attempts on my life by Russian Spetznatz, Yakuza Ninja, and Sub-Saharan Oompa-Loompa commandos; they've also provided me with a substantial guard detail while I write my memoirs. My publisher is already in negotiations with Disney and it looks like we're well on our way to my life story becoming part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe....whatever the hell that is.... Bottom line is, there are a lot of people out there who pretend to be something they're not. Everything in my life story is 100% factual. I know because I lived it. People like you, Frank Dux, Steven Segal, John Rambo, the Power Rangers (briefly served with them too), the Teletubbies, Derek Zoolander...these are all great Patriotic Americans but at the end of the day when you compare yours and their on or off-screen achievements to mine.... I simply make them all look like sopping wet, velvet-lined pussies.... Not bragging... Just stating facts....
Man come on, by your own admission you have barely done any Krav Maga so your opinion is a bit skewed