Each Floyd Rose instructional video seems to have another important fact that all the other videos fail to mention! Thank you for the notching string lock information!
Not trying to start a fight, serious question: I get the rationale behind the argument, but does whatever minute variation in how gravity affects the strings in either position (2-3 inches difference at most) really make any measurable distinction at all? I'm skeptical.
@@larsdahl6594 tune it back laying back, pick it up and check tuning. It will be out of tune, almost every guitar will but floyds get impacted the most
A great tip I recently saw for the locking nuts is to make sure the string tree is down far enough so the string comes off of the edge of the nut. That way when you lock down the nut the strings don't go sharp.
I’ve had to replace the whammy bar on some of my my Jackson’s with a Schaller bar as they were causing it to go sharp and flat. Especially for newer Jackson’s makes a huge difference!
Well done! I loved the point about depressing the bridge and retightening the pads. Also, I use a bit of lube on the bridge posts to make it returns to zero each time. Peace.
Same with the saddles and locking blocks...be sure they are put back in the proper place. Liked how you marked the nut clamps....I use D'addaro and had an idea to color the tops of the saddle blocks according to each string....been a few times dropping them out and figuring which one goes where...This may not matter to some but I use 10 to 52 strings. I have a 1988 Casio PG 380 synth guitar (High end strat with floyd) in the description manual they illustrate the nut clamps with the "house" in the wrong direction...which puts the curve the wrong way. I like to flatten the bottom of these nuts (not clamps) with sandpaper and a granite plate and clean the paint down to the wood on the nut seat if any, (This is only done if you know how to set string height at the nut )
Great video! This is exactly what I need to know. I have a shector sun valley too! I would love it if you did a tutorial on adjusting string height on those type of guitars!
Thanks for this. I have a Wolfgang that I love playing but have struggled with the tuning because of the Floyd. Going to do these things when I get home tonight. And I giggled when you said to make sure they are tight and lovely 🤣
Nearly everyone says don't put much force into the nut bolts or just make them snug. Everyone except Floyd Rose, that is. "Step 3: Make sure the string clamps at the nut and bridge are very tight. " VERY tight is what the designer of the system calls for.
Don’t float it, deck it. Double locking has nothing to do with the spring and string tention. Steve vai is the reason everyone think you “have to” float it, but EVH decked his down
Double locking only refers to a way for terminating the string at each end to virtually eliminate the friction points that cause a more traditional system to go out of tune. As for blocking it..that is my prefered option. However, the point of this video is to help highlight points in the system that are often overlooked to help keep in tune if you do prefer it floating.
@@bucket303 yeah totally, but when I first looked into “decking” the trem it was a real head ache cuz everyone is under the presumption that it has to be floating and “that’s the whole point it’s double locked” but yes it does refer to the locking nuts and saddles on the many iterations of the Floyd Rose. I’m just saying more decked down models should be readily available in the market instead of having to do it ourselves cuz “it’s the wrong way” if manufacturers don’t t do it. Mostly signature models have them ie. EVH and Adrian Smith models have it decked with NO routes. If I wanna go up in notes I’ll bend up, floating makes you work harder to bend cuz now you’re fighting your tension springs and not just the strings but I guess this is all just my opinion. But I dislike how they aren’t readily available on a budget or low end guitar and theoretical costs less. Just seems weird that’s all.
Hi! Hope you can help me with this. I have one question, How does the John Petrucci's Majesty guitar stay in tune without the locking nut and just using the Blocking tunners?
I like to turn the lock pads every time I change the strings if they're straight up then I will turn them to the right so they are sideways and then on the next string change ill turn them back this keeps to insure grooves from making their way on the pads.
I've been changing Floyd roses for years and never had or heard of this problem. Interesting why neither Floyd Rose, Gotoh or Schaller has these groove on their CAD drawings
The groves aren’t there from manufacture. But the process of tightening the pads down on the strings can cause small grooves/dents to form under the pad. Of course that depends on the quality of them and the material used. But it does happen.
@@bucket303 My IBZ edge, Gotoh and Scahller nuts are over 15 years old and never have i bothered to mark them. Stays in tune perfectly Must be the Chinese or Koren Version with the softer steel.
@@somtingwongwai7194 That’s great! Schiller and Gotoh make fantastic products. And there are great aftermarket products from the folk over at Floyd Rose and FU-Tone. That being said consistently, and marking things is a great way to keep on top of and issues should they arise.
Hey Ross, thank you for the info. I figured the plates had a specific order, but they have been driving me nuts if I forget which was where. Are there any places you can recommend for replacement nuts and plates? I find they strip out right? I have seen after market ones that have a grip to tighten and loosen by hand?
The instrument shouldn’t go out of tune due to string bending. Double-stop bends are a little different though. For the most part you should be absolutely fine.
I have heard that the locking nut should be mounted with the 2 screws that go THROUGH the neck...I have yet to come across a tremolo system that doesn't go out of tune.. nice last name!
Top mount locking nut will get loose overtime. The hole will comprised and eventually can't no longer the screws sturdy enough. Epoxy or super glue under the locking nut can help lessen the burden from this screws and the hole, preventing it from moving or loosening overtime.
Hey bro , I had my floyed level and my guitar has stayed in tune , I was playing it the other day and now my floyed is not level anymore , its raised a bit. Strings are still in tune , I'm not sure what to do lol
There is a chance that the screws that hold the tremclaw in place have came slightly out (it doesn't take much). Check those and them try some new strings.
I’ve been dealing with floyd roses for decades but now I have an EVH wolfgang that goes sharp and then flat. No matter what I do it still getting out of tune 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Each Floyd Rose instructional video seems to have another important fact that all the other videos fail to mention! Thank you for the notching string lock information!
Also, tune your guitar in the playing position, then lock down your string nut. Gravity of the Floyd affects tuning.
Good point! It’s definitely does. Although I wouldn’t worry about that too much for the initial tuning and stretching.
I always set and check intonation with the guitar level in a playing position also.
Not trying to start a fight, serious question: I get the rationale behind the argument, but does whatever minute variation in how gravity affects the strings in either position (2-3 inches difference at most) really make any measurable distinction at all? I'm skeptical.
@@larsdahl6594 tune it back laying back, pick it up and check tuning. It will be out of tune, almost every guitar will but floyds get impacted the most
A great tip I recently saw for the locking nuts is to make sure the string tree is down far enough so the string comes off of the edge of the nut. That way when you lock down the nut the strings don't go sharp.
I’ve had to replace the whammy bar on some of my my Jackson’s with a Schaller bar as they were causing it to go sharp and flat. Especially for newer Jackson’s makes a huge difference!
Well done! I loved the point about depressing the bridge and retightening the pads. Also, I use a bit of lube on the bridge posts to make it returns to zero each time. Peace.
string nut pads .. that's a great point.
Hey just bought my first Floyd rose guitar, and your video helped me a lot!!!! Thanks so much my friend!!!
Underrated video! Thanks for the tips.
Same with the saddles and locking blocks...be sure they are put back in the proper place. Liked how you marked the nut clamps....I use D'addaro and had an idea to color the tops of the saddle blocks according to each string....been a few times dropping them out and figuring which one goes where...This may not matter to some but I use 10 to 52 strings.
I have a 1988 Casio PG 380 synth guitar (High end strat with floyd) in the description manual they illustrate the nut clamps with the "house" in the wrong direction...which puts the curve the wrong way.
I like to flatten the bottom of these nuts (not clamps) with sandpaper and a granite plate and clean the paint down to the wood on the nut seat if any, (This is only done if you know how to set string height at the nut )
Great video! This is exactly what I need to know. I have a shector sun valley too! I would love it if you did a tutorial on adjusting string height on those type of guitars!
I'm glad you found it useful. Next time I get a Floyd-type guitar in the workshop I'll get that done!
@@bucket303 cool! Yeah i checked out your channel did you tech for Europe?!
@@onionheadguy7094 I was one that tour with a different band. But, I have done quite a few shows with them.
@@bucket303 That's rad!
Thank you ! Perfect explanation!
Great video. I've setup many Floyds and also their intonation. I enjoyed watching. subbed
Thanks for the tips, never heard any of this before!
Thanks for this. I have a Wolfgang that I love playing but have struggled with the tuning because of the Floyd. Going to do these things when I get home tonight. And I giggled when you said to make sure they are tight and lovely 🤣
Good job man on explaining this
Nice tips, Thank for your time !! Philip.
If it fixes my problem, it has helped indeed. Thumbs up given for now.
Awesome info bro
I love u i thought i wasted money on this guitar
Thanks a lot for such a great explanation!
Nearly everyone says don't put much force into the nut bolts or just make them snug. Everyone except Floyd Rose, that is.
"Step 3:
Make sure the string clamps at the nut and bridge are very tight. "
VERY tight is what the designer of the system calls for.
I very much agree. However ‘very tight’ leads to it’s own set of problems.
Snugging them up, and maybe an 1/16th turn after is more than plenty.
Cheap metal parts will strip. I recommend hardened steel over alloys any day for longevity but tone and sustain are debatable.
If you don’t have original German made, to right will cause damage.
I have that same watch!! Good taste!!!
Don’t float it, deck it. Double locking has nothing to do with the spring and string tention. Steve vai is the reason everyone think you “have to” float it, but EVH decked his down
Double locking only refers to a way for terminating the string at each end to virtually eliminate the friction points that cause a more traditional system to go out of tune.
As for blocking it..that is my prefered option. However, the point of this video is to help highlight points in the system that are often overlooked to help keep in tune if you do prefer it floating.
@@bucket303 yeah totally, but when I first looked into “decking” the trem it was a real head ache cuz everyone is under the presumption that it has to be floating and “that’s the whole point it’s double locked” but yes it does refer to the locking nuts and saddles on the many iterations of the Floyd Rose. I’m just saying more decked down models should be readily available in the market instead of having to do it ourselves cuz “it’s the wrong way” if manufacturers don’t t do it. Mostly signature models have them ie. EVH and Adrian Smith models have it decked with NO routes. If I wanna go up in notes I’ll bend up, floating makes you work harder to bend cuz now you’re fighting your tension springs and not just the strings but I guess this is all just my opinion. But I dislike how they aren’t readily available on a budget or low end guitar and theoretical costs less. Just seems weird that’s all.
I float all my Floyds. HATE decking them....but that's me
@@trip2sickdecking is for 60 year olds. Floating trem the only way to go pops
Thank you good sir!
thanks man! liked & subscribed!
Hi! Hope you can help me with this. I have one question, How does the John Petrucci's Majesty guitar stay in tune without the locking nut and just using the Blocking tunners?
The string windings that are around the tuner pegs are where the major issues of tuning come into play
I like to turn the lock pads every time I change the strings if they're straight up then I will turn them to the right so they are sideways and then on the next string change ill turn them back this keeps to insure grooves from making their way on the pads.
Well done!
I've been changing Floyd roses for years and never had or heard of this problem. Interesting why neither Floyd Rose, Gotoh or Schaller has these groove on their CAD drawings
The groves aren’t there from manufacture. But the process of tightening the pads down on the strings can cause small grooves/dents to form under the pad.
Of course that depends on the quality of them and the material used. But it does happen.
@@bucket303 My IBZ edge, Gotoh and Scahller nuts are over 15 years old and never have i bothered to mark them. Stays in tune perfectly
Must be the Chinese or Koren Version with the softer steel.
@@somtingwongwai7194 That’s great! Schiller and Gotoh make fantastic products. And there are great aftermarket products from the folk over at Floyd Rose and FU-Tone.
That being said consistently, and marking things is a great way to keep on top of and issues should they arise.
Great tips sir!!
Well now I'm going to have to get new locking nut pads.
🙋♂️ question. If your changing tunings would you recommend changing locking pads.
Uh how do you figure it what pads go where
I take it Neckthrough is good to go as well
Hey Ross, thank you for the info. I figured the plates had a specific order, but they have been driving me nuts if I forget which was where. Are there any places you can recommend for replacement nuts and plates? I find they strip out right? I have seen after market ones that have a grip to tighten and loosen by hand?
Great tips.
Thank you.😊
Nice video very informative thank you, my only question is do the nut slots go at right angles? I’ve been using them the other way 😂
@TweedleDump-b9e makes sense
Does the floyd rose go out of tune from string bends?
The instrument shouldn’t go out of tune due to string bending.
Double-stop bends are a little different though. For the most part you should be absolutely fine.
When you drop guitar parts in this house, the dog knows. 🌲
I have heard that the locking nut should be mounted with the 2 screws that go THROUGH the neck...I have yet to come across a tremolo system that doesn't go out of tune.. nice last name!
Top mount locking nut will get loose overtime. The hole will comprised and eventually can't no longer the screws sturdy enough.
Epoxy or super glue under the locking nut can help lessen the burden from this screws and the hole, preventing it from moving or loosening overtime.
Is that a special, or 1000 series?
I messed up the order of my lock pads, is there a way i can know it's original order?
I always look at the lines/grooves the strings put on the bottom of the pads. They will be different sizes
Hey bro , I had my floyed level and my guitar has stayed in tune , I was playing it the other day and now my floyed is not level anymore , its raised a bit. Strings are still in tune , I'm not sure what to do lol
There is a chance that the screws that hold the tremclaw in place have came slightly out (it doesn't take much). Check those and them try some new strings.
Is that a sustainiac?
Yup, it is.
WHAT!!!!!!😤😤😤
I’ve been dealing with floyd roses for decades but now I have an EVH wolfgang that goes sharp and then flat. No matter what I do it still getting out of tune 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Can sanding on the bottom of the pads work ?
It could work. But you'd want to keep the bottom perfectly flat. It'd be far easier to just swap them out.
@@bucket303 oh alright , thanks for helping ❤❤❤
I have the same exact guitar. This is extremely helpful. Thank you. Get a follow from me
It's always a schector......