TWIN BABIES Harmed by Family Friend? Nicole Virzi Charged with Criminal Homicide | Pittsburgh
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- 29 year old Nicole Virzi was pursuing a doctorate in psychology in San Diego and visited friends in Pittsburgh, assisting them with babysitting their twin boys. She has been charged with the murder of a six and a half week baby, and abusing his twin brother and is being held in the Allegheny County Jail.
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What I've learned is highly educated doesn't equal good person or emotional maturity. You can be book smart and a psychopath.
Education is very much rote learning, critical thinking can be lacking in some graduates.
Look at Bundy
Wonder if she volunteered to fly there and babysit, when did she arrive, estimated time of injuries
As a NY state licensed psychologist I cannot tell you how many personality disordered people (aka people with narcissistic and psychopathic traits) are in our field. It would SHOCK you. There are some VERY sick people in our field. Read about Parth Gandhi a psychologist who murdered his son after abusing his wife for years. Then read about James Walcott in the UK who killed his parents. Yeah, some of the biggest nuts are in my field.
It could be that they go into the field trying to understand themselves. I personally know a narc personality. A Dr of psychology. This person is so dangerousand toxic in home life but 100 degrees different outside the home. It's scary next level. @k.a.2241
I’m a neonatal ARNP . The way a neurologist can tell if a brain bleed is new or more than 24 hrs old. On the MRI or CT scan a fresh bleed will be dark spots after 24 hrs or when the blood coagulated the spots will be white in color.
Prior cat scan tech here, the old blood is denser than fresh blood therefore is whiter on the CT- 💯
Thank you both for your expertise!!
Now sure if you would know but could trauma to one side also cause multiple brain bleeds to other areas?
@@valval347 there are 3 types of skull fractures. 1) Linear - which is a line down the bone 2) Depressed fracture- which is a crushing or pushed in bone to the brain 3) suture line fracture- a fracture along the suture line. I can’t remember if they said what type this baby had but I assume it’s a depressed fracture due to the brain bleeds. So, when the skull is push into the brain it shifts the brain and causes severe swelling. The soft spots on the baby’s head will swell. This is what ultimately causes death. This is how they know that the injury was just prior to the 911 call. The swelling is what caused the brain bleeds on the opposite side of the head. It from the swelling causing vessels to tear away as the brain herniates. The one thing I noticed was she said the baby screamed and she got the baby a bottle and found the baby on the floor. The baby could not have screamed after the head injury. Imagine the worst migraine you have ever had and x it by 100. To scream or cry you have to create pressure for air to collect in lungs and you to push it out to make noise. When you have severe brain swelling you also have severe swelling in the spinal cord. With the brain swelling and this happens immediately after injury your brain can’t function to coordinate crying. You would be listless unable to process thoughts or coordination. The only function you would have is possibly breathing and circulation that’s it. The most primitive functions. The baby could not turn over to fall out of a bouncy seat/ bed because at 6 weeks they do not have neck muscles which is what is need for the ability to turn over. I think we will get more info as time goes by but what I’ve seen in my career is a combination of shaking with a head slam/ blow . Sorry to say it but I’ve seen this many times in my career. And it’s horrible and even more horrible if he had survived it. My heart goes out to the parents. They will feel guilty their entire lives.
At that age it's probably a vibrating chair yes 6week old can go in it
Umm, I'm sorry, but 6 week old infants not only don't, but CANNOT move by themselves in order to "fall" out of a bouncer. Multiple skull fractures??? Do we have another Lucy Letby here???
OMG, yes, I was reminded of Lucy Letby too.
Letby was a nurse. More Louise Woodward or aisling Brady.
@@asenath7766I thought the same thing!
Lucy Letby
As a father of twins this broke my heart, it must soul destroying for the parents on them poor babies 🙏
As a mom of twins, I remember how exhausted we were when they were new. My best friend came from 800 miles away to meet them, and during her visit, she gladly offered to watch them for a bit so we could get out of the house briefly. We were grateful for the opportunity after all the sleepless nights and endless feedings and diaper changes.
I can’t even imagine! Glad you guys were able to get a break. It’s so important ❤
My little sisters are twins and growing up they would scream if you tried to separate them, so you couldn't even take one to the store while someone watched the other. It can be so overwhelming having two little ones to keep track of, especially when they're so young that they need you for everything.
Question. If one of the twins was injured while you were gone and you had to take them to the hospital. Would you leave the other twin with the adult who let your other new born get hurt bad enough to need to go to the hospital? Personally I would not. I definitely did allow my 3 month old to be watched but I would never have allowed a person who injured him or another baby to watch him.
@@CrystalmarieGrz At that point the parents couldn't possibly know what had caused the injury to the other twin. If I were a new parent and a good friend from way back traveled a long way to meet my baby, and the baby suddenly got sick, my first instinct wouldn't be to suspect my friend.
@@w1s86you are not wrong but I still would not take a chance. I would have way more questions on how my new born was harmed I also would be way more protective of my babies if one was hurt. Maybe it’s just me though
As a former educator. I was surrounded by people that were pursuing their PHD and I honestly felt like they were the most unhinged people in the profession. This is just my opinion and my experience over a 15 year career.
@@C_Law strongly agree. 23 years of experience here
@@alhana829323 years of being crazy like Vinny P White?
I noticed this decades ago. I actually cringe when I hear Phd. This is due to personal experience with a few.
Is Anyone else just thinking W.T.F??
My thoughts exactly 💯. Like whhhhyyyyy ?!!!!!
Right?? I need a deep dive on her
Idk man... If she didn't do it then who did?? Paranormal stuffs or something? Just messed up..
@@AlohaNLight2Allshe harmed the babies. Obviously
Yes. I’m watching this for the second time and all I can think is WTF!
I don’t think the injuries to baby Leon can in any way be accidental. A 6-week old baby is not able to vault itself out of whatever baby-bouncy-seat this was with such force that could have caused such significant head injuries.
I think she dropped him and panicked and made up the bouncy chair story.
@Jlynnjoneski I agree with you - that’s what I was thinking. Maybe she was trying to pick up the baby with one arm bc she claimed she was holding a bottle when saw him and dropped the baby to the floor at standing height or even at sitting height?
Then maybe to minimize the blame or consequences, she might have lied to the doctors about “finding” the baby on the ground rather than admit she dropped him, not realizing the extent of his injuries which made her look guilty for even worse things.
I heard of a real life case in which a night nurse (they watch your newborn baby at night, feed them and change them, so the parents can sleep thru the night instead of having to wake up every couple of hours) fell asleep on a rocking chair while bottle feeding a less than 2 month old newborn baby she was holding in her arms.
At some point the new born baby boy fell from her arms and fell to the ground and even tho he fell from her arms at sitting height, he ended up fracturing his skull and needed to be rushed to the hospital for emergency medical treatment.
Newborn babies are extremely fragile - even falling from your arms to the ground headfirst while you’re at sitting height is enough to fracture their skulls in many cases.
Thank you G for covering this case. My heart goes out to the parents, family and surviving twin who suffered an injury and the loss of their twin. I hope the truth becomes very clear and justice is served. 💙 🩵
As a mother of twin boys myself I cannot imagine the heartbreak. A 6.5 week old falling out of a bouncy seat would not severely fracture his skull bc they do not set high enough off the ground. So her reasoning is BS imo. And her attorney making it seem like she is innocent bc she is a PHD student, gimmie a break. Being well educated doesn't mean you aren't capable of mvder.
@@TruCrimeLace PhD in what? In many fields like sociology or psychology PhD is nothing.
what about the other child they took to the hospital he had scratches and signs of abuse could the mother have had post partum and cause harm?
@@gigigongora3360the mother wasn’t there. Even the murderer said the injuries weren’t there when the parents left!
I'm a physician. I'd venture to say there is MORE psychiatric pathology/pathologic behavior among high IQ people. If my medical school class of 200 kids was any kind of representative sample.
You said it right the first time! ❤
The proof is that these babies had no issues for 6 weeks. She visits. She is left alone, and this happens? Pllllleeeeeaaaasssssseee!!
what proof do you have the parents word ? How do you know if the mom hurt the kids? Post partum symdrome? you all are speculating only!
Don’t listen to the person above🙄 It’s obvious they’re trying to argue! Troll. It’s ludicrous to think the mother, who wasn’t present, did these things to her babies! Good grief
They left a comment on other comments trying to get a rise out of them as well…
Why would the parents leave an injured baby for their friend to discover?
@gigigongora3360 Sounds like you are a child abuser who has gotten away with this crap. You need to be investigated. For one, if the 1st child was injured, it would have been evident before leaving. 2. The 2nd child was fine when they left to go to the hospital with the 1st. Does that make it make since to you now? And it's syndrome, not syndrome.
I thought the same…… the medical examiner would also be able to tell if the injury just happened or occurred several hours/days earlier.
A lot of people that go to school for therapist roles, psychiatry, or psychology are usually also trying to sort their own mental issues out/ address their traumas. That is a fact! Not always mentally well
Prove that statement with a shred of evidence. You have zero credibility.
@@barbaraellison1095 Licensed NY state psychologist here. Look up Parth Gandhi of Utah. Look up James Walcott of the UK. Believe it or not, there is some truth to it. I have seen it in my field myself. There is a lot of undiagnosed mental illness and unacknowledged PD in my field. Many come into my field to help hone their manipulation skills. Its really sick actually. You'd be surprised how many "self help gurus" and such start pursuing degrees to lend themselves "credibility" when they don't try to get the mental health help they really need. many of them have narcissistic and sociopathic traits.
@@barbaraellison1095 Tons of studies available - I tried to link one just now that I easily found on research gate for you - but in won't allow links. It is very well known that most psych professionals use therapy themselves.
@@barbaraellison1095 "A study found out that 81 percent of the studied psychologists had a diagnosable psychiatric disorder." (re:) A National Survey of Psychologists’ Experiences, Problems, and Beliefs. Professional Psychology: Research and Practice, vol. 25, # 3, pages 247-258
@barbaraellison There are comments in the chat with specific examples of people who did exactly that. You shouldn’t disparage people in a chat for making a comment.
No baby that small is going to have head injuries from a bouncy chair
And they mean those “hammock” style “bouncy” chairs, not a toddler jump up and down bouncy seat. They are 6 weeks, not 6 months. They couldn’t fall out on their own. If they slipped to the floor, their butt would be on the floor and maybe head fell to floor or maybe still on the seat. And neither scenario causes head trauma. She might have a PhD, but she’s fairly ignorant if she expects us to believe such tripe. 🙄😳🙄😳
Nobody innocent whose friends ' baby has passed would be grinning like that in a mugshot
@@GlamGam1964they could absolutely tip the chair sideways and have it fall on them. But I'm guessing that's not what happened.
They have an enormous home. So why was she staying elsewhere?
@@GlamGam1964
A baby doesn’t get skull fractures from falling out of a bouncy chair and at 6 weeks he wouldn’t have been able to get out
The skeleton doesn't completely become bone until someone reaches their 20s. Before that the bones are made of cartilage so they're somewhat bouncy.
Whatever this lady did must've been extremely violent.
Right..they can’t even roll over at 6 weeks.
babies are much craftier than people think, and if they get agitated or want something, they can figure their way out of many circumstances. and the bouncer could have been placed on a table, which is not very safe or smart, but people do it all the time.
At 6 weeks.. It shouldn't be in a bouncy chair. That's practically still a newborn
@@calholli That may be true, but obviously it was since the parents had a bouncy chair...
I started babysitting as a teenager. When I hit my 20's, I'd often babysit for my friends and colleagues. I did not like to party and didn't date very much. The best babysitter's should really like and enjoy being with children and babies. Otherwise, I could see someone getting overwhelmed with a fussy baby or precocious child. Rest in peace Leon. 🙏🕊️
My wife and I live in Pittsburgh and heard nothing about this case, thank you for the information
I can't understand the logic that some people think having a degree is a magic sheild that prevents people from commiting crimes.
This is a perplexing case.
Very unusual and unsettling. Thank you gisela.
I think ppl just want to believe so badly that one with such an education wouldn’t or couldn’t harm babies but in reality parents have to be extremely cautious who they leave their children with! When they do they should have nanny cams everywhere!
I agree.
With that amount of time in the college circuit there is actually such a better chance of narcisism.
It’s not a “shield” but it’s a statistic. Nicole was working on her doctorate degree and her dad was already a doctor. Highly educated people who presumably have money commit far less crimes than the people who live in a trailer park and have a low level education
It’s not a “shield” but it’s a statistic. Nicole was working on her doctorate degree and her dad was already a doctor. Highly educated people who presumably have money commit far less crimes than the people who live in a trailer park and have a low level education
There’s no “shield” but there’s statistics that would show that a PhD student, who comes from a prominent family, is less likely to be violent when compared to a poorer, less educated person
Thankyou G Mods and Grizzlies, for my B'Day wishes...
This case is strange and horrific. Anyone that could hurt Babies are sick and demented. I'll follow this case closely with my Grizzly Family Rip little man ,hope his brother is going to be okayyyyy...Thankyou as always G, fantastic presentation, horrible subject thou😢🎉🫶🤸
Omg, how horrific! Did I miss it or were the injuries to the first baby's genitals clarified? What on earth happened there? Changing a baby's diaper doesn't generally cause injuries. G, you asked all the right questions that we were all thinking. There is so much more we need to know. Those poor babies! Feel for the parents. Tragic!
I also wonder! It sounds absolutely horrifying!
When my granddaughter was taken for her first well baby checkup when her mom changed her next diaper at home, there was blood in the diaper. We were at the ER as fast as we could get there. I admit we sped, and if we’d have gotten stopped by the police you’d have heard my screams a mile away. We were totally freaking out wondering what the Dr did to her to cause that. Turns out that a baby girl can get pseudomenstruation. But you know I was suspecting everything imaginable at the time.
I doubt this happened here, but is there the chance they were injured during circumcision?
@@FloraDubyacorrect it can happen with female babies. But not with males. If there had been an issue with the circumcision then it would’ve been noticed and doctored by the time they were 6 weeks old
My son got blood in his diaper because his skin was very thin and from the wipes and a little burning from poop his skin bled. But it was fixed with the anti burn cream within 24 hours
I feel like if she was that close to them, she'd stay inside their home but that's just me. Definitely suspicious circumstances
Had read about this a few weeks ago. Happy to see you on this case. ❤
Sarah Boone also said, “NOT INTENTIONAL.” 😡
This is why everyone needs web cameras hidden if need be to record things in your home. So sick and sad.
Not hidden cameras Cameras they know are there. Deterrence. Also then secret cameras which they should know about but not where they are located.
We are watching you watch our child.
Put it on your phone in real time
Watching replay. For her to say "it wasn't intentional." That is such a strange statement to me. I'm going to hold my opinion until more information comes to lite. Thank you for sharing, True Crime Addict
I have come to respect your channel more than all the rest
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Im digging this channel. I like straightforward presentation and level headed commentary. No slow rollout of info and theatrics that i see elsewhere
So sad for the family. This young woman had some sort of psychotic break. When I was young if there were no family around, to give young parents a break, friends would sub in for an hour or two for them to have time alone for dinner. Don’t see a problem there. No shame on these parents at all. There may not have been any motive.
I am new to this story as I saw the parents are seeking the death penalty. Something tells me that this woman is a whacko and had some secret sadistic thoughts. She may not have wanted to kill anyone but wanted to see how far she can go by hurting them intentionally and secretly. Not sure what term that would be called in psychology, but you know what I am getting at. How can the parents have trusted her is beyond me. Just because someone has degrees,, and a doctor father doesn't mean they are always normal. The mother must have had a 6th sense but didn't follow it, sadly. Now this monster took the life of a beautiful little innocent soul.
What do you mean? How is this a mystery? She was just fighting the patriarchy as her feminist education instructed her to.
@@lancewalker2595Oh Lance, now is not the time.
@@frostflower5555 The prosecutors say they are going to seek the death penalty. The parents may want it (or not), but legally that decision is not theirs to make.
My twins weighed 4lbs each at birth, trust me at 6-7 weeks they were not moving from the spot you placed them, especially not a baby bouncer!! This breaks my heart 💔
She probably put half of the baby on table's ledge to see how he will fall off.
Her eyes creep me out. Why do I get the feeling she was like Brian Koberger but wanted to study the effects of trauma she inflicted on the family?? She’s evil
Your comment creeps me out. Why do I get the feeling you're a psychology student describing your own secret fantasy. You're evil.
Common Sense: These parents apparently though this woman to be a trusted friend; therefore, they left baby 2 with her.
What is wrong with people these days.
Pittsburgh in the house 👋🏼 I can’t believe I haven’t heard of this case. Children’s hospital is one of the best, she won’t get away with it. Walnut St in Shadyside is an expensive neighborhood. Who wants to go out when you just had 2 babies. This is so sad 😢
I had the same thought, who would be ready for a babysitter at 6 weeks? Twins especially!
I never let anyone keep my children, except for my parents or my husband’s parents, and then my girls were at least potty trained, so not younger than three years old. This is every parent’s nightmare. So sad.
I was sleeping with my new born niece on my chest. I had a nightmare and strait up threw her off of me. She landed on the floor. She had ZERO injuries. There is no way this baby “fell” out of a low baby seat and had SUBSTANTIAL head trauma.
You threw a new born on the floor? Wtf is wrong with you
You did a fine job pronouncing Allegheny. Wow. What a crazy case!! I don’t watch tv much so despite the fact that I live in Pittsburgh I hadn’t heard of this. Was busy sitting on a jury in a different double homicide case here in April whose sentencing was today. Maybe I’ll try and send that one to you now that it’s wrapped up and over with.
June 16 was also my anniversary & my husband passed away on Fathers Day in 1999. For some reason a tragedy happening on a holiday seems like a double whammy. Father’s Day will never be the same for this poor family.
Isn’t it kind of ironic that Savannah has such an advanced level of education into psychology…and she has chatted with Nicole for years and had no idea that Nicole was off the rails? It seems like that is always the case
The higher a persons intellect is… the more dangerous they can be. Just imagine that your next door neighbor is a chemist… and you don’t get along with that person. They could sneak into your house, while you’re out, and poison
your bottles of soda, water or whatever.
What do you mean? How is this a mystery? She was just fighting the patriarchy as her feminist education instructed her to.
It’s hard to see beyond the MASK these people wear.
@@lancewalker2595😂😂
@@pattishea2289 Am I wrong?
No way... 6 weeks old they can't hold their head up yet! Not strong enough to fall out of a bouncing chair!
no kids?
@akitalover As an actual mother and grandmother let me say that a 6 week old can indeed hold its head up. In fact, a one week old can, unfortunately, squirm and wriggle and effectively bounce they little selves right out of an (old school) bouncy seat, on to the table the bouncer was unwisely placed upon, on to the floor and then roll UNDER the table in the 60 seconds the clueless first time mother takes to run down the hall and grab a load of laundry out of the dryer. I was that foolish mother and am eternally grateful my newborn landed on relatively dense and thick wall to wall carpeting. Futhermore, he’d rolled so far under the dining room table that his Dad and I couldn’t even find him at first…That being said, given the brawny structure of modern baby swings/bouncers that I’m familiar with, I don’t see how a baby could wrest itself from the pillowy depths and fling his body with enough force to cause the injuries described in the report. Simply horrifying😢
@@changeminds2736I have kids and I completely agree!! Impossible!
Ive seen newborns that can do that. Not very likely but possible.
But thats not what happened in this case... Poor baby and family 💔
Both my kids could roll over at that age.
Thank you Gisela for covering this case!💕🐻 This is so sad!😢
why so much speculating on this channel, you guys already think for sure she did it!
@@gigigongora3360 I didn’t say she did it! I said this is so sad!
I would never leave the second baby behind after the injuries on the first baby were strange
Not victim blaming, but when the parents came home they had to have looked at the baby's injuries before taking the baby to the hospital. At that point, why would they leave the other baby alone with her? RIP sweet Leon and praying for justice 🙏⚖️
@@Leahever777 Not victim blaming, but
I am new to this story as I saw the parents are seeking the death penalty. Something tells me that this woman is a whacko and had some secret sadistic thoughts. She may not have wanted to kill anyone but wanted to see how far she can go by hurting them intentionally and secretly. Not sure what term that would be called in psychology, but you know what I am getting at. How can the parents have trusted her is beyond me. Just because someone has degrees,, and a doctor father doesn't mean they are always normal. The mother must have had a 6th sense but didn't follow it, sadly. Now this monster took the life of a beautiful little innocent soul.
6 weeks old babies don't get out of chairs
Thank you for your excellent presentation, G! If these allegations are true, this is going to be a hard case to defend! Sending love to the baby's family! Justice for the victim!
Justice for the victims! A horrible vile act by whoever committed the acts of such malice.
Based on her studies, did this crazy woman want to witness/study first hand how her friends deal with trauma? Very sick if that's the case.
That was the thought I had after seeing what her PhD study was. Perhaps she wanted some "real research" to observe first hand. And I agree, if this is the case, she is beyond demented.
Just like the Kohlberger case back in Moscow, Idaho. An undercover psycho.
@devilmaycry9969
Yes! Kohberger vibes. Also getting some Lucy Letby vibes on this one.
Oh my …. That’s an interesting and horrifying thought!!
@TraceyWales-nl4dm
Yes, horrifying indeed, IF that's the case. It kind of just hit me when Gisela said, "But why? WHY would she do this?" And immediately, the chilling thought hit me💡"What if.....
Thank you G for sharing this case with us. Totally lost with this one ??
What on earth is the motive ?
Her education level shouldn’t matter. She’s a suspect and if what she did is true, we will have her inmate number to use. I have zero sympathy or grace for anyone who hurts a baby , a child for any reason whatsoever. She could have told them she didn’t want to baby sit , left the house and called for help if she was overwhelmed. Unless she’s just jealous for whatever reason.
Exactly
What do you mean? How is this a mystery? She was just fighting the patriarchy as her feminist education instructed her to.
Just because someone is an academic doesn’t mean they’re not sociopaths: a “successful sociopaths”
I bet there will be many who come forward about her.
This is dreadful. I don't have children, but I know a baby doesn't get skull fractures from falling out of a bouncy chair. He should never have been able to come out of that chair regardless. 2/2 children, tells me it's not looking to good for Nicole. Rest well dear little Leon.
They describe their deceased baby as 'goofy'??
And at 6 weeks old? They sleeep eat and may smile but goofy?
I saw that too.. Maybe he made weird faces or something. but I still wouldn't have said it
She is clearly CRAZY…., so many jealous people out there, and sometimes people that goes to a mental health field, is mental sick !!!
Evil, not crazy
Thank you for all of your research. You get me through work in the morning.
And all of the mishaps occurred to these babies while she is alone with the babies,,, 👁️
Can't wait to see this case, just hope she is in court and not hiding in her call like some of the other ones you cover. Thank you for your hard work. Love this channel and family here XO.
Hard story emotionally God be with the family my heart breaks.
Retired Los Angeles nanny here and mother 🙋🏼♀️Bouncy seats/chairs come in every single different variety appropriate for all different ages including newborns. It’s actually used more than the crib when they are that small. they are perfect for newborns
Depends on what kind of bouncy. Most are not appropriate for newborns. The mommaroo etc aren't called bouncers because they don't bounce. They move like a swing etc.
@@Angelface11I'd say the babyvslid put, what height was it? hmmmm ...and scratches that require an A& E visit
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No way no 6.5 week old fallen out of the chair 😢😮
Omg this is probably the most tragic case I’ve ever seen!! Those poor parents😢 There is NO WAY either baby got those injuries accidentally!! A 6.5 week old infant simply cannot move itself enough to project out of a bouncer seat and the other one couldn’t have scratched himself so badly that he would be so obviously injured. That woman is evil.
I wanna know if they’ve ever even met in person!
I don't know how I missed this story and your coverage. Thank you!
For Nicole Vizri to kill one baby brutally & also injure the other baby giving it serious injuries is immoral, cruel & horrific.
No kidding?
Thank u Gissela for all u Do to bring us the latest news on these horrific crimes
I was an extremely young mum when I had my first two children. I can’t believe I’m admitting this to be hated but I need to tell your audience. I had a six week old and a 2 year old, I was folding clothes in the bedroom and both my babies were on the bed in front of me, as I turned to put the clothes in the drawer my 2 year old rolled my 6 week old off the bed. She cried I screamed rang an ambulance who came out and she didn’t have a mark. I was told by the paramedic (24 years ago) that babies rarely get harmed when rolling onto a soft landing as their bones are still spongey. He also said you would do more damage shaking them at this age. I don’t know I’m not a Dr all I know is my baby fell off the bed onto a really thick carpet and cried. She was absolutely fine. I’ve since had two more so four girls in total and not one of them have ever had a broken bone, smashed lip nothing! They have been wrapped in wool since that day. They are 27-16 healthy and happy so don’t come for me peeps 👊🏼
I also need to say I would never leave my children with even my parents under the age of being able to talk. I think my eldest was 11 when I first had a night out and my youngest 2. My children my responsibility!
That’s so understandable! I never had children but could see something like that happening to a new mom. Glad all are healthy. 💞
My two oldest are exactly two years apart (same birthday) and that kind of thing happened to me as well. My daughter called her brother, her bubba, and tried to pull him off the bed to take care of him, and my back was turned as well. She always wanted to be the mom even as a grownup. Called ambulance too. Was told that I would learn.
Once I had grandchildren I was not as alarmed, however when my oldest granddaughter fell into the stone masonry of our fireplace I freaked out. She was 3 and was she more impressed that a fire truck came, while all of us were losing our minds. Mom, dad, grandparents, we were all frantic. The Dr told us she would have raccoon eyes for a week or so, and I bawled my eyes out. We cut pool noodles and padded every sharp corner of the house afterwards. We have a photo of her face and she laughs when she sees it now. But in the moment, if you are normal, you literally fear for the worse.
Sure we can’t wrap our kids in bubble wrap but we can try.
I think we all have turned our backs for a moment while having a baby on a bed or changing table. Need to grab a diaper or a new shirt or something.
Maybe they thought they were that close. I have friends who would go out of their way to help us with an occasional night out. But not at 6 weeks old. At that age I only trusted my parents and my best friend.
Thank you🎉
Brian Kohberger was also a PHD Student.
Great point!
He also was doing a study on psychopathy.
Lots of killers were doctors or getting their PHDs. Shipman, Holmes, Markoff, Toppan, Swango, Mengele, Cullen, etc. That's just off the top of my head.
And? He is framed do your work
@@ZazaMarkle We are talking about criminal or unstable personalities being involved in studies or professions that address those same problems. The guilt or innocence of BK has not been brought up. Thar said, you do not clear up any of the questions about that case by stating an arbitrary opinion without any supporting ideas or facts. Read the room.
So thankful that you are covering this story. I hope to follow along with you and the trial. This is going to be a tremendous evidence, dna, and medical testimony case. Will be watching!
6 week old babies aren’t even old enough to be put in a bouncer, let alone move enough to fall out!
Well did she bring the bouncer with her, or did the parents instruct her on where to keep the baby. Just google bouncer chair for newborn and you will see what they look like. A lot of people use them tbf.
Bouncy seats are literally intended for babies 0-6 months. They have a 3 point harness though so baby can’t slide out. They are normally only a couple inches off the floor. Obviously in this case it seems she’s lying about the story so it doesn’t even matter.
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Possibility the bouncer was on a table? And being unbuckled, baby did the adorable back arch thing that newborns do, and slid out. 😢
That’s the only way I picture this as unintentional… unless it was on the floor and she tripped over it.
I’ve no idea 😔
@christinem2511 yeah unfortunately but fortunately my second born came out moving and on the damn go.. he was SO wiggliy.. only way I see this being an accident is she put him in a dangerous position amd was not clipped in.. but I just started the vid and have zero info 🙃
I agree.. They have no neck muscles yet and can't even hold up their head. 6 weeks old is practically still a new born..
The mom would just now be getting healed up from the birth.
Absolutely critical is a finite; minute to minute timeline of the precluding hours; to these events ! The exact whereabouts of all parties involved; at all times !
So sad for the new mom and dad.
Everything about this case is just horrendous!
Thank u Gissela.. I love your channel sweetgirl, thank u for all your hard work to bring this to us thank u for all the hard work u do to
Its all weird. We need more details.
What do you mean? How is this a mystery? She was just fighting the patriarchy as her feminist education instructed her to.
Another take. The father lost his job six months ago. The gofundme is $78k. Nicole alerts parents of the marks on one twin. They take him to the hospital and leave the other with Nicole. Why wouldn’t they take both to have them both looked at? Then the other twin falls and Nicole calls 911. That twin dies from injuries. No one looks over a baby before babysitting. It’s like renting a car. You look over the car for damage so you don’t get blamed. How many times have you babysat and NEVER examined the child prior to parents leaving??!! How do we know the injuries didn’t preexist? Why would they leave one baby? This makes zero sense. Again. $78k reasons. There is more to this story.
I never did a whole body check before I babysat ones kids. For me it feels weird but who knows if it is necessary today. 🤔🥴
Ok...now you got me thinking...I also don't understand why they took only 1 baby, after what happened ( for whatever reason) there's no way I would have left my other baby behind...it is common sense
What do you mean? How is this a mystery? She was just fighting the patriarchy as her feminist education instructed her to.
Wow really it should be a blessing to care for your friends new baby ❤😢
Thanks for this info.
From San Diego living to the Allegheny County Jail! That's a little bit of hell for her, at least!
Gisela you are the best. When i was looking up this story and i saw you had covered it, i came right to this Grizzly channel because i wanted all the facts and tidbits that you always provide. You are so informative with all the details. This is a horrific story that i just heard about last night. Thank you for what you do. Watching it with you now. She is pure evil and i believe there is more to this story than we know right now. RIP Sweet baby boy Leon. 😢😢😢😢😢😢💙🙏😇🙏😇💙
But how did the other baby get genitalia injury? People go into psychology to deal with own problems.
Not all of us !!
Men who do that type of stuff to women are usually people who have been rejected by women throughout their life or they had a bad relationship with their mom growing up. There must be something like that going on with Nicole as well, except with genders reversed. I wouldn’t be surprised if she describes herself as a feminist and has never had much for relationships
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What do you mean? How is this a mystery? She was just fighting the patriarchy as her feminist education instructed her to.
Just now catching the replay. This sounds really suspicious. I’m a
great-grandmother and I’ve been raising children since I was 14.
There was a local to me, case that a 12 year old child was babysitting all her siblings and she just lost it and redrum one of the siblings. Someone with an extensive education does not equal maturity.
Tragic case and I am sending my prayers to all of them.
I know I’m late to this chat but….WHAT in the hell is going on here? HOW do these people even know each other AND WHY would they leave their babies with someone they hardly know???
When you're doing a PhD it's a certain kind of torture but you meet other people in the same boat at conferences etc and bond with them. Not saying this is how they met but, they met somehow with a similar background.
What do you mean? How is this a mystery? She was just fighting the patriarchy as her feminist education instructed her to.
I'm so glad your going to talk about this I asked you in chat a few weeks ago when I heard about it
Please rather ask on email (which about 55 people did), because 1. Then I don't miss it 2. We focus on one case at a time 3. Then I can gauge the interest of the audience to consider covering.
The bouncy chairs I'm familiar with are for gently jiggling newborns to sleep. They sit right on the floor and are almost like a hammock suspended on a wire that arches up off the floor. The baby would already be on the floor. Falling out, although unlikely, would be like rolling over. I don't think it would hurt a newborn.
Maybe the bouncer was not on the floor. When even a lot of people with kids seem not to be aware that babies that age are unpredictable so do non-parents in the first place. She could have put the bouncer with the unstrapped kid in it on a table for better handling, then went to the kitchen but does not want to admit it. Maybe she is just evil. 🤷🏼🙂
The most proof is from the medical examiner who would know the difference between an accidental death and homicide. As far as her babysitting, that doesn’t surprise me if the parents didn’t have anyone there and wanted to see their friend.
parents pop out kids and immediately NEED to go out partying they are at fault to for not being responsible parents and leaving nonehtless 6 week old twins!
Hi all on replay. This crazy! How do you go from Normal to this!! Wow, who can you trust! No one!
One word please parents… investinanannycam!!! Bouncy chair for a 6 week old baby makes zero sense 😢
I *assumed* a bouncy chair would be one of the leaned back vibrating chairs with straps. 6 weeks is a little small for it (especially considering he was a twin, so probably smaller than most 6 week olds) but even if he fell out (how would he get out of the strap?) the injuries still don’t add up.
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Absolutely not an accident. 2 children hurt while under her care…. I call BS. There’s something more to this story
To me the big question is how old are the injuries of both babies.It's definately an odd case.Thanks G!Can't wait for more info.Prayers for the little angel 😢💔🙏
unbelievable... who could hurt babies
Over 500 MILLION dogs and cats are murdered in the USA annually, and those numbers are only rising...yet no one bats an eye.
Oh great, and so close to home even. I'm so sorry to the babies family. May you find peace.
This is so sad!!!
New parents why would you leave a friend to babysit not a grandparent? When my Children where babies never left them with anyone as newborns. Story doesn't have any connecting dots. This is very strange my heart goes out to these poor babies and family.
I wonder if she talked them into it
Who's to say there were grandparents? Not everyone has family
Too strange. And very sad. Love to the parents. 😢
It will be interesting to see her internet history! Unfortunate they did not have a nannycam set up.
I'm assuming the type of bouncy seat they're talking about sits literally only an inch or so off the floor. My son had one as an infant (he's 23 now!) and it promoted sleep for him. The worst that might happen is he'd slide down a little bit and his feet would slide to the floor... but never did he "fall out" of it. The vibrations are very gentle and soothing. I can't imagine a 6 week old in any other type of bouncy thing? Was the bouncy chair placed on a table? That's the only way I could see a fall injuring an infant in that context? But maybe I've got this all wrong? Regardless, this woman is HIGHLY suspicious!!!
Maybe they'll claim one of those very complicated kinds of depression she was talking about.?? The poor little surviving boy will always miss his brother, as twins share a special bond. Heartbreaking.
What do you mean? How is this a mystery? She was just fighting the patriarchy as her feminist education instructed her to.
I'm speechless 😢.
There's no smoke without fire. Babies at that age are so fragile... No way they would fall on their own. If the injures are previous, the doctors will know it.
The fact that she is very good at academics means nothing! The facts are very suspicious. All this is so sad.
What do you mean? How is this a mystery? She was just fighting the patriarchy as her feminist education instructed her to.
Thank you
My heart and prayers go out to the parents of these beautiful babies. I have a masters degree in behavior science I have observed and worked with some people with personality and mental health issues go into the field of psychology.
Why aren't they screened with testing like MMPI or such to protect future clients? Can't the profession self-police?
What do you mean? How is this a mystery? She was just fighting the patriarchy as her feminist education instructed her to.
Most moms do not use babysitters for 6 week olds 🧐mom is typically still on maternity leave and only use their family I never would allow anyone to watch my infant of 6 weeks
That's simply not true. Lots of jobs have no maternity leave and yes many moms do have people help and even watch them so they can nap or shower etc.
I said the same thing.. 6 weeks old is practically still new born; why would you ever leave your baby with someone? It makes no sense at all. At 6 weeks, the baby still can't even hold it's head up; why would you have it in a bouncy chair?? Nothing about this makes any sense.
Babies that are 6 weeks old would never be put in a bouncy chair that sits up. They can’t even hold their heads up completely. Not to mention their feet have to touch the floor to bounce the chair. It’s many more months before that happens.
More than likely, the chair was one of those infant bouncy chairs on an inclined frame with a t-strap harness that comes up between the baby's legs and snaps on either side. They sometimes vibrate and have a toy bar across for the baby to look at. Some also rock. It wouldn't have been one of those upright bouncers that look like walkers.
Was it rather a baby rocker where you leave infants? They have straps.
I find this one really distressing, I have lots of questions, like why at 6weeks old you would leave your twin children in the care of someone that has no children? Babies can be hard to look after if you have no experience not to mention leaving two newborns with her. Where did the parents go and for how long? Could the children have been injured before Nicole started looking after them? Why wouldn't the parents take both children with them to the hospital, especially with one showing signs injury why not take both to be checked out? Seems strange they were happy to leave their children with someone inexperienced. Lastly apart from feeding, burping and changing nappies newborns pretty much sleep the rest of the time so why leave one in a bouncer, six weeks is a bit young to go into a bouncer.
What do you mean? How is this a mystery? She was just fighting the patriarchy as her feminist education instructed her to.
Maybe she wanted to study them?!?!
Happy Anniversary, @Rexy.
Great coverage