@@justingagnier2871 yeah the things that impress terrans are kinda low tier lol. In SC2 they think peak micro is keeping a reaper outrunning a queen. I don't play and am probably F tier, but when I did the campaign in 98, I did this.
A few games ago Arty asks if “we’re getting sick of Flash”. Well… Considering the fact these videos are getting wayyyyy more views than most of his other videos… I think it’s safe to say these videos are here to stay! And I say good sir woot. Thanks!
I can imagine during Flash's entire military service he was labbing out new builds in his head. The dude is a genius and its pretty cool to see what ideas he came up with when he wasn't able to play regularly
@@waylorudd1128He might have been allowed to play some starcraft, if he was it wouldn’t have been enough to play at his insane level. But I vaguely remember artosis saying that Korean military didn’t allow gaming while in active service, could be wrong tho.
@@ttpen interesting not very similar to active military here in the states lol. Unless your really in combat even then you might be able to slip some gaming in
I really enjoy the kind of "breaking down" of how the game works that you do in your casts, like around 6 minutes into this video. It really adds to the appreciation of the game for someone who only watches and doesn't play. Thanks for casting!
I'm thinking about that armor upg, and normally I'd advocate +1 armor, but in the case of mass gols, +1 veh weps adds an important break point that allows groups of 6 gols to FF mutas in stack with 2 volleys, rather than needing 13 hits. This breakpoint also persists after mutas gain +1 carapace. No matter the armor, muta stacks need 2 volleys to kill gols, and sunks kill with 4 attacks. I think for apm available players, will appreciate the stutter stepping stop micro or cycling the manual targeting between 2 control groups, and is a clear starting point before optimizing for critical mass numbers. 2 right clicks then cancel with stop, repeat. Similar to stutterstepping observers or carriers (not anti interceptor micro)
You just picked 6 goliaths as a group randomly. In this case, there is a much larger mass of them, it won't be just 6. And also, it's not like all of them fire at once at the same target, things are very chaotic. All in all, it's 13 hits instead of 12, that's all.
@@Shield_Battery But don't you see how the engagement looks in practice? The mutalisks get damaged over time and slowly worn down, and the goliaths rarely fire at the same target. The usefulness of that breakpoint is dubious at best. But since the glaive has 3 attacks, that's like 3hp saved per attack, for each armor upgrade.
Wow that seconds game was beautiful. Seems like JD would have benefitted greatly from some speedlings and 1 less muta. Couple of times in this flash series he has had tunnel vision and missed something key to help him out (not making mutas in that other mech game being a HUGE misplay that seemed out of flavour for JD)
Love to see this! Flash experimenting on the fly, on the ladder, figuring this matchup out! Can we just go ahead right now and call Flash the Mad Scientist Terran? His ability to just try out a random build and execute it so well is astonishing!
Goliaths are the Marines of mech. Finally, twenty-something years later, Flash does the strat I used to use (except wins). Does this mean I'm as smart (and as handsome), as Flash?
Damn so so close, such a tight fight! The fact the races are so different, yet a battle is so close on such a high level - is a great display of a nearly perfect balance of the game!
Jaedong was basically dead at that point, even if the Queen Minerals+Gas was more Hydras. Flash was able to get a free rally right to his 3rd without having to do the whole Siege/Unsiege tactic that would buy Jaedong more time to get Brooding Queens off the ground. Very interesting game from Flash.
The mario spam dies down, the embers cool down twitch stream ends, artosis puts down the nes power glove he normally plays on and brings out the mouse and keyboard and assumes his flash account
Lads, I was watching closely. I figured out the early game ogre Zerg counter. Goliaths just like flash right, but add in Firebats to protect them from zerglings with on the ground. I bet that would be absolutely powerful in this type of situation!
i think turning point was when he flew his muta into flash base and got surrounded. did zero damage and mutas got destroyed. he could have easily contained flash at this point and gone into defiler. it was a good surround from flash though you can see he set that up. he knows he only has one chance to catch JD being sloppy and it worked perfectly.
First time watching flash here lately with your casts... What it seems with him is the unpredictability witb what he throws at jaedong Sometimes it doesnt work but then woth this goliath mass the hydras and queens were too late. But flash basically is trying to dictate the game where his opponent is forced to play catch-up.
It seems so because Jaedong keeps the mutas stacked (one on top of the other) so Flash can't target them. That way the damage is split and that's why they take so long to die.
I guess it has to do with opportunity cost. That would require him to get starport + addon and science facility and then a valkyrie. That's a lot of time and money spent that Flash instead spent on more goliaths so that he could put pressure back onto Jaedong instead.
U wouldn’t need a facility to make valks, just make 4 fac Goliath production and add 1 starport with the add on because u ale ready have the armory built. The you can transition into sv later if u want or do vulture drops.
@@kurtzmann22Ah, true. Still, the point stands. That's less goliaths and less goliath production instead, which might mean less opportunity for pushing out with them in time as well.
I am humbled that The God of Starcraft optimized and used the Goliath Spam build against Zerg I used back when I was kid. I feel so blessed and the nostalgia hits me hard 😂
I dont mind the Flash marathon. Every game of SC ought to have a T in it. PvZ is aight but non-T mirrors are just GARRRRBO. idk why but i like TvTs in both SC games.
arty casting flash is just chef kiss
The moment(s) we've waited for tbh
true
Giving me chills
Arty, “casting flash is just chef kiss”
Flash would cast Artosis better
Flash would have made more goliaths
fr fr
I love how Flash actually repairs his frontline with SCVs.
I am a total noob , but I usually send 2 or 3 scv when I attack for this reason. And building turrets
@@justingagnier2871 yeah the things that impress terrans are kinda low tier lol. In SC2 they think peak micro is keeping a reaper outrunning a queen. I don't play and am probably F tier, but when I did the campaign in 98, I did this.
I am taking notes: Make tons of goliaths.
Make tons of hydralisks.
A few games ago Arty asks if “we’re getting sick of Flash”.
Well… Considering the fact these videos are getting wayyyyy more views than most of his other videos… I think it’s safe to say these videos are here to stay!
And I say good sir woot.
Thanks!
Finally, my daily dose of Flash.
Flash makes Goliaths like they were Marines.
RT loves Flash more than his family
What's your point? 😉
It's simple, his kids can stop sleeping on the floor as soon as they can succesfully defend a 4 pool on Troy.
i believe this without the smallest shred of doubt, no joke
FLASH! ah-ahh Saviour of the universe!
FLASH! ah-ahh king of the impossible
Thanks for the casts Arty! love drinking my coffee to some broodwar!
Flash
Ah-ah
He'll save every one of us!
Flash! Ah-ah
He's a miracle
12:17 Did anyone else see that goliath go through the hatchery
larva morphing into an egg force-moved the goliath I would guess
Using the opponent's eggs to jump through structures... Flash truly is on another level.
🤣🤣
I can imagine during Flash's entire military service he was labbing out new builds in his head. The dude is a genius and its pretty cool to see what ideas he came up with when he wasn't able to play regularly
tactic from military service: MOAR GOLIATH DAKKA
Why would he not be able to play during is military service just wondering?
@@waylorudd1128He might have been allowed to play some starcraft, if he was it wouldn’t have been enough to play at his insane level. But I vaguely remember artosis saying that Korean military didn’t allow gaming while in active service, could be wrong tho.
@@ttpen interesting not very similar to active military here in the states lol. Unless your really in combat even then you might be able to slip some gaming in
I really enjoy the kind of "breaking down" of how the game works that you do in your casts, like around 6 minutes into this video. It really adds to the appreciation of the game for someone who only watches and doesn't play. Thanks for casting!
I'm thinking about that armor upg, and normally I'd advocate +1 armor, but in the case of mass gols, +1 veh weps adds an important break point that allows groups of 6 gols to FF mutas in stack with 2 volleys, rather than needing 13 hits. This breakpoint also persists after mutas gain +1 carapace. No matter the armor, muta stacks need 2 volleys to kill gols, and sunks kill with 4 attacks.
I think for apm available players, will appreciate the stutter stepping stop micro or cycling the manual targeting between 2 control groups, and is a clear starting point before optimizing for critical mass numbers. 2 right clicks then cancel with stop, repeat. Similar to stutterstepping observers or carriers (not anti interceptor micro)
You just picked 6 goliaths as a group randomly. In this case, there is a much larger mass of them, it won't be just 6. And also, it's not like all of them fire at once at the same target, things are very chaotic. All in all, it's 13 hits instead of 12, that's all.
Nice analysis, thanks!
@@Leonhart_93 it's not random... it'beacuse the new breakpoint for +1 gols is 11... from 13...
@@Shield_Battery But don't you see how the engagement looks in practice? The mutalisks get damaged over time and slowly worn down, and the goliaths rarely fire at the same target.
The usefulness of that breakpoint is dubious at best.
But since the glaive has 3 attacks, that's like 3hp saved per attack, for each armor upgrade.
Great cast dude. Absolutely crazy strat
I'm a simple man, I see Flash...
Simple man, simple memes, upvotes because copypasta.
* unzips *
Wow that seconds game was beautiful.
Seems like JD would have benefitted greatly from some speedlings and 1 less muta. Couple of times in this flash series he has had tunnel vision and missed something key to help him out (not making mutas in that other mech game being a HUGE misplay that seemed out of flavour for JD)
Hell yeah! Loved seeing the mass Goliaths. Thanks Artosis. I may not comment every video but I do watch them every day.
I agree if possible please cast more games a day. I love the way you talk about what is happening . Other streamers just say the stupidest shit.
Love to see this! Flash experimenting on the fly, on the ladder, figuring this matchup out! Can we just go ahead right now and call Flash the Mad Scientist Terran? His ability to just try out a random build and execute it so well is astonishing!
How dare YT auto play Flash at 360p...!
When are we getting a dedicated Flash channel? Document every game, strat and stream already. GGs.
Man, this puts such a big smile on my face :) more of these pls!! I wanna see the comeback in full
Always refreshing to see mech against zerg.
Goliaths are the Marines of mech. Finally, twenty-something years later, Flash does the strat I used to use (except wins). Does this mean I'm as smart (and as handsome), as Flash?
That's Flash macro right there.
Gonna have this with my eggs and hash browns! Thanks for casting Arty!
GOLIATH ONLINE
Damn so so close, such a tight fight! The fact the races are so different, yet a battle is so close on such a high level - is a great display of a nearly perfect balance of the game!
That was one of the most exciting games I've seen in a long time. So cool
that was one of the best games i've watched in a while
Always enjoy Artosis’s insightful analysis. It feels like a StarCraft Academy and I’m loving it!!
Please more games per day, I can only watch your stream for so long because of the braincell destroying tts that never stops
Dude i got the same problem. His stream is unwatchable
Y’all just need more practice
i realise its big money for arty but maybe if he could play the first few games with tts off or at least limited. would be soo good
LOL!!
LOL so true
Artosis is improving my quality of life with this constant content.
The casting is second to none. Unbelievable talent
I want to watch nothing but Flash for a while.
Flash would have won
Goliath build is fun to watch. Love that unit. With a couple of tanks to help clear out static defense, this is really good. Nice cast RT.
Jaedong's big mistake was the queens. There was no time for those, and a few extra hydras or lings could've changed the final battle.
The siege would continue - tank is the best unit in the game. Jd would lose eventually just staying on hydras and mutas
Jaedong was basically dead at that point, even if the Queen Minerals+Gas was more Hydras. Flash was able to get a free rally right to his 3rd without having to do the whole Siege/Unsiege tactic that would buy Jaedong more time to get Brooding Queens off the ground.
Very interesting game from Flash.
damn, now I really want to see how Flash would deal in a TvT match
Something like Flash vs Scan would be just perfect
Flash was in the military, he was sitting in a tank and he was thinking how he can use siege tanks :-)
he like "bruh why not siege mode?" *becomes a general* "ok back to starcraft"
So nice to see a TvZ that doesn’t end up SK Terran. Thanks for the cast!
This felt like a old flash game. Poor J just couldn't get anything going.
5:15 how would be jardong behind if flash was staying back defensively? jaedong had 2 boses while flash had 1....more income cant be "behind".
Who would have thought.. mutalisk harassment from Zerg or guessing in PvsZ was so good.
Flash lived on 2 bases throughout 😮
flash is finally learning from the best, artosis
@@pointlessmanatee Has anybody seen Flash and Artosis together in the same room at the same time? I think not.
The mario spam dies down, the embers cool down twitch stream ends, artosis puts down the nes power glove he normally plays on and brings out the mouse and keyboard and assumes his flash account
Flash macro is insane. Man does not miss a cycle of goliaths the entire time
GG? I never queue my goliaths
Clicking a factory and pressing ''v,g,t'' is the least impressive thing about the entire game. ;>
That was incredible, thanks for the video!
It's interesting to put matrix on some goliaths and tank them
that second game was amazing.
The mobility of Mutas is nuts...
Damn i love watching and your commentary on these absolute legende ive been a fan since early 2000s
The GOAT is back and im loving it.
Breakfast and Flash games, amazing as always
Flash making more and more goliaths be like: "tu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu"
Imagine how much stronger that goliath build would have been if he didn't lose 10 scv in the natural in 5 seconds
Frfr 💰 🤑 💪
keep Flash coming. it is a drug to me
It’s crazy Flash is still at Jaedongs level or better already. He’s going to be #1 very soon again at this rate
17:41 You Blink and Flash's supply is at 182.
It says 87/148 at that timestamp.
Is "many many mutas" the Zerg equivalent of Hungry Hungry Hippos?
So fresh, so wild, and still a great game.
Lads, I was watching closely. I figured out the early game ogre Zerg counter. Goliaths just like flash right, but add in Firebats to protect them from zerglings with on the ground. I bet that would be absolutely powerful in this type of situation!
Jeez Flash is on another level from the rest of the pros
Goliath, tank against Zerg.
I love it!
Hey Artosis do you know when Flash is coming back?
i think turning point was when he flew his muta into flash base and got surrounded. did zero damage and mutas got destroyed. he could have easily contained flash at this point and gone into defiler. it was a good surround from flash though you can see he set that up. he knows he only has one chance to catch JD being sloppy and it worked perfectly.
Sayan castet IT all in one , but Arty comment and how he analise is just awesome. Back to ladder after watching
Then Flash said, "Let there be light." And as Flash said, it was so.
10:37 That Goliath Conga Line
one of if not the most ineresting TvZ ive seen since i started watching bw again
What the hell are you doing? Massing just one type of unit is noob play!
Flash:
I would like to see goliaths with some marine medics
"We never see this" i literally ser this every time im on ladder
Emperor Palpatine builds chicken walkers
Goliaths shoot up and down
First time watching flash here lately with your casts... What it seems with him is the unpredictability witb what he throws at jaedong Sometimes it doesnt work but then woth this goliath mass the hydras and queens were too late. But flash basically is trying to dictate the game where his opponent is forced to play catch-up.
can someone please explain to me why terran units do so little damage?
They don't. What do you mean?
takes 69 shots to kill 1 muta which can always just pull back when low for slow free reheal.
It seems so because Jaedong keeps the mutas stacked (one on top of the other) so Flash can't target them. That way the damage is split and that's why they take so long to die.
*watching goliath build*
Finally, one of them has understood.
goliath build reminds me of Flash owning JD in that one OSL/MSL (can't remember)
it wasn't pretty. and i wasn't happy
Im a simple man. I see flash game. I like and click
loving the flash come back content. more tvz!
I like this build but don’t understand why you wouldn’t add 1-2 valks with this comp for the bonus damage against mutas.
I guess it has to do with opportunity cost. That would require him to get starport + addon and science facility and then a valkyrie.
That's a lot of time and money spent that Flash instead spent on more goliaths so that he could put pressure back onto Jaedong instead.
U wouldn’t need a facility to make valks, just make 4 fac Goliath production and add 1 starport with the add on because u ale ready have the armory built. The you can transition into sv later if u want or do vulture drops.
@@kurtzmann22Ah, true. Still, the point stands. That's less goliaths and less goliath production instead, which might mean less opportunity for pushing out with them in time as well.
that last fight really was on the margins
i wonder what might of happened if those resources were spent on something other than queens
I just love watching Flash
Thanks for the fun bro 🎉
only flash is smart enough to make the unit that shoots up and down
the meta analysis on point 👏
I am humbled that The God of Starcraft optimized and used the Goliath Spam build against Zerg I used back when I was kid. I feel so blessed and the nostalgia hits me hard 😂
bustin (zergs) makes me feel good
what was that 1st game? Why didn't he stim and kill all the lings?
Where's the Artosis sickass transition?
Flash in the ASL is gonna be like the return of Kendrick. He's been gone juuuust long enough to where people forgot why he's the goat
I dont mind the Flash marathon. Every game of SC ought to have a T in it. PvZ is aight but non-T mirrors are just GARRRRBO. idk why but i like TvTs in both SC games.
Flash casually returning to the game and choosing what he thinks the meta should be lmao
What an interesting game. So glad Flash is back!
OMG~! That was wild~!
Nice to see some different builds. I wish Ghosts and Valkyries were a viable option against Carriers.
What a game.
God I love goliaths they are soo much fun to watch
Savior has returned!
Is this game in a tournament, or are these 2 just practicing with each other?
They ran into each other on the ladder 5 times in a row.
Hydras were still so efficient at the end and flash barely won that. I wonder if maybe 2 fact with addon with rest pumping more vulture is better