Can this stock Rubicon 4XE do these trails? Poughkeepsie Gulch / Engineer Pass, Ouray Colorado
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2023
- Join us as we take a stock Jeep Wrangler JL 4xe on 33s up two of the toughest trails in Ouray, Colorado. Poughkeepsie Gulch and Engineer pass. We learn that not every trail needs a purpose built rig and that even a stock wrangler can take you to epic places!
Have you taken your stock jeep to any crazy places? Let us know in the comments!
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Jeep Gladiator Build Details:
2020 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon
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You would be surprised, that wrangler with smaller tires and no lift has a better break over angle then a modified gladiator.
You may be onto something there. The longer wheelbase definitly needs a bigger lift. I was really impressed with how close the stock wrangler came to hitting but never did. Thanks for watching! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Lockers front and rear with 33’s…That’s a capable set up stock, I remember when it would be a fairly built jeep to have that!!😂
😅 haha thats so true! Now we also have heated steeringwheels and seats.
i did this trail and the wall with an xj on 33s no lockers or winch and its my daily its not as hard as the internet makes it out to be but have to say its by far one of my favorite trips
I agree its not too crazy but there are some challenging places. Thats impressive you did the wall stock! 😀
In all fairness the Gladiator does need the 3'' lift and 35 or 37 due to the extra long wheel base.
Youre absolutly right! Thanks so much for watching!
Super helpful. Can't wait to take the 4xe Rubi out for it's first run.
Absolutely! Glad we could help!
I'm heading there in a couple weeks! it's a relief to see a stock rubicon doing these trails as well makes me feel more comfortable taking mine!
Oh awesome! Youre gonna have such a great time! Make sure to spend more time taking in the views. We always feel like we never spend enough time to appreciate them. Thanks so much for watching! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I agree with him 100% about it rolling back... I rented one recently & did several trails in Sedona & Jerome... Also, the electric motors were difficult to control when you were climbing super steep with deep loose rock... Power & torque would surge & bury all forward crawling momentum... I found myself constantly using my brake pedal to control surge... I would only buy a gas powered jeep for the constant extreme...
Thats so interesting. Im glad i wasnt the only one with a problem. If you watch our other videos Greg has a 4xe and he swears his doesnt do that. Its a 2024, but since you mentioned the power modulation i remember he had that exact same problem on our recent trip to Chinaman and Deadhorse.
@@barelymadeit Ironically my name is Greg too... LOL! I am a 4Runner Fan & have had 5 in total with 1.6 Million miles across 3 generations & trim levels... But.... like to feel the difference between the two so I rent jeeps on out-west excursions... I rented a Gladiator Rubicon naturally aspirated & realized, I could love it pretty close to how I love 4Runners (at least in the short term) : )
We were outside of Tucson AZ, decided to follow some friends who had a touched up Cherokee classic with similar capabilities... Trying to follow him up some of the climbs to run the ridge was discomforting to say the least... again, where I needed to crawl over or up deep loose gravel, it often over- torqued & buried itself.... Pitch black, sliding backwards in the dark with my steer wheels sliding in front of me locked up backwards... Not what I expected... I went all electric for a minute like you guys were talking about & trying to climb a ledge I could smell burnt clutch / electronics smell & had to reengage the gas engine... Too much nonsense for me... If I need that much torque, I have a 4th gen 4runner V8 that will break tires from rim or I could get a Hemi Rubicon... it sounded cool but perhaps jeep is trying too hard to make a Swiss army knife... The 2025 4Runners look spectacular on paper but they are electric assist too... Lets see how that recipe turns out...
Hill Assist will prevent roll backs it's in the settings menu !!!
Thats great to know! Ill have to check it out.
Very nice video showing the comparison of the 4xe. One of the things that I noticed was that you did not air downtime tires enough. Poughkeepsie trail can be done much easier when the tires are down 8-15 psi., depending on the types of wheels that you are running. I do not run deadlocks and find that the trail is much easier on the vehicle and the traction is much better when I run 12-15 psi. On the wall, yes, you were too far to the right - straddle the crack and stay left as you go up it and then just before your left tire hits the rocky outcrop turn passenger. The wall is funny on what can make and what does not - too many variables (tires, puddles, mud, wetness on the rocks, wheelbase and vehicle lift). Your Gladiator would have done better climbing the other vertical wall on the far left. Long wheelbase vehicles seem to fair much better on that climb. Another thing that you should play with on descents is the hill descent button. If you learn how to use it you will be amazed at what it can do for you.(low range/first gear/no throttle or brake)
First timer here from Vancouver island Canada. Nice video, beautiful views.
Welcome to the channel! We hope you enjoy our beautiful state. 😀🙏🏻
Good stuff!! I have a Sahara 4xe that's "built" (😆) & we are planning a trip to the San Juans next year & these 2 trails are on the list!!!! Great content BTW!! Imma fan!!!
Thanks so much! We never even needed lockers youre gonna do great! Be sure to enjoy the sites more than we did! 😀 Thanks so much for watching!
New subscriber - really great information. I am looking at the Jeep pick up as a possible next vehicle.
Thanks so much! We love our gladiator and id have to say its a little more forgiving on tough obsticles so i can screw up the line more. 🤪😀 thanks for subscribing!
Nice video, greetings from the Netherlands
Thanks so much for joining us. 😊
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2024 finally going to get down in that area to do that bunch of trails! Since I have to drive 17-20 hours just to get there I tend to be overly cautious as I have to then be able to drive back that 20 hours !
Oh man youre gonna have so much fun! Few places come close to the views on these trails. If you ever run into a problem in CO though always feel free to PM. We are near colorado springs. We’ll put the word out and get you fixed up! 😀 it takes a lot to kill these vehicles though (ask me how i know 🤪😅)
Haha thanks!@@barelymadeit --- I just got back from the Lake County area-- Had planned on doing Red Cone but had to cut my trip short a few days but I did have time for BirdsEye Gulch, of course Half Moon Creek (didn't go all the way up) Ball Mountain and Hagerman pass.
@@DeanJohnson67oh nice isnt halfmoon such a cool trail. Its one of our favorits! We just created a new fb group for called “colorado offroad trails - all 4x4s welcome” please feel free to join too!
I'd say the Rubicon 4XE in stock form is more capable than the Gladiator in its modified form here, simply due to the breakover point. Also, with regards to driving fun and power the 4xE is in a whole other class than the slow dated V6 Gladiator that barely has enough power to get outta its own way lol.
Thanks for watching checkout our last video where we take a 4xe on a 2.5” lift and 37s over chinaman gulch. Thanks for watching!
Looks like someone's been monkeying with the rocks around 8:14. When I ran that section 2 years ago, some of those bigger boulders were almost smack in the middle of the trail. I scraped the hell out of my stock 4xe Rubi's front diff on one of them but still made it through. Poughkeepsie is definitely a doable trail in a stock Rubicon (especially a 4xe with it's extra 1" of clearance) but it's pushing the limit for sure, especially without a winch.
Great eye! I think you're absolutely right, 2 years ago we could barely get our grand cherokee through that section and almost turned around, but one thing we never do is move rocks. In our latest video there was an FJ stuck on the gatekeeper at Red Cone and they had this huge pile of rock they were stacking, until we got there and told them to stop. With our guidance the FJ didn't need the rocks, he scrapped a lot, but got over it without the rocks. Moving rocks is the best way to get trails closed. :-( You're right, it was so close on some spots but we made it, barely :-)
Bring these out to socal you see all kinds of rubicon’s on much harder trails, the rigs are a lot more capable stock then most think just that they are scared of wheeling a 60K rig hard.
That would be an awesome adventure! What trails should we checkout?
@@barelymadeit calico is great anything in the big bear area dishpan john bull about the only area you probably would get in trouble in is Johnson valley.
That’s pretty cool I love your video ! I would have liked to try it with my stock G if it could make it. I think so.
Hey thanks so much! Im sorry what is a stock G? 😀
@@barelymadeit i meant a stock G class Mercedes (don’t know if you were asking ironically lol)
@@G500expedition i dont have a bunch of experience with Gs but, id be willing to bet it could do it no problem. Just pick your lines. 😀
@@barelymadeit i need to bring it to the us to test it out! I will !
@@G500expedition that would be awesome! Let us know if you do! We can maybe meet you for a run!
Keep it in electric mode or e save I seldom use hybrid mode
Nah. The best line on the part where you are drawing lines is to hug that wall on the driver side.
Ohhh shit so i was close. 😅 it felt like if i kept creeping driver i would have hooked.
great content. were the front or rear lockers on for either jeep?
Thank you so much! 🙏🏻🙏🏻 i think we put the lockers on twice but only for driver ease. They really werent needed.
All of the rental places in Ouray say not to take their Jeeps on Poughkeepsie or Black Bear. When you hit those trails you see rental Jeeps everywhere. And they are all stock.
We have never seen rentals on engineer or poughkipsie, lots on Imogen, but never those two.
I think the JL and JT have about the same breakover/approach/departure angles they way those 2 are set up. The JT has to ride much higher due to the longer wheelbase. Also, I'd have the JL in electric mode to prevent that roll back, you said it was in hybrid mode? Seems in electric mode you'd have more control. Nice video though! It always amazes me how videos don't do justice to those obstacles! Any under body armor on the Gladiator?
I think youre absolutly right but even after 2 hours to the trailhead we couldnt get enough charge to run all electric. It said it only gained 2-4 miles of range and then would drop to 1% battery after we put it in electric only. It was the same story driving around town too. It really seems like the kinda thing you have to charge seperatly in order to use it. On the gladiator we only have the stock rails and skid plates. The plan is full MC underarmore though. 😀
I did Engineer Pass in my stock Rubicon 2dr on 33s in July it was easy but Poughkeepsie gulch was still closed 😢
Oh thats awesome! Those tippy sections must have been interesting in a 2 Door. 😀 The snow has been crazy this year some trails just barely opened.
What's the song that starts at 7:17? I enjoyed the video, but that track is straight dirty!
Thank you! 😀😎 Ill need to look it up. Its nobody big named from itunes or anything.
I feel like you guys deserve a wider audience, you're putting out some good content.
Thanks so much! We’re so glad you enjoy! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@justinbkay thank you for such a nice compliment, warms the heart ❤😊 and definitely keeps us motivated to keep doing what we are doing!
I'm interested in a 4xe so I appreciate these videos showing what it can do stock. Would love to hear more about it's electric miles in real life and potentially what happens if you stuck 35's on it. Just some ideas.
We really struggled with the electric side. Even driving 2 hours to the trailhead it wouldnt charge the battery more than 4-5 miles worth of charge. Funny enough too the same drive from montrose to ouray we got like 15.5mpg with no real increase in electric range in the 4xe and 17.5mpg in the gladiator on 37s. These are great ideas for a follow up video! Thanks so much for watching.
@@barelymadeit with the weight and tires on that thing it doesn't sound too bad too me. I'm not expecting any electric drive miracles for a jeep, but if it can get 15 miles all electric a day that would cover most of my day to day driving costs since I don't drive too far around town. thanks and looking forward to more vids.
So a couple of thing, I find wheeling in the 4xe is best in eSave or full electric. If in hybrid, I recommend using select speed (crawl control). I run 35’s on a 2 inch lift, it takes a little off the electric miles but I still get 20 to 21 miles pure charge in warm weather, less in winter. Regarding charging using eSave, that just eats up gas so I only do it when wheeling. In 4 Lo it charges decently fast getting you ready for those sections that you want to do in all electric.
@@barelymadeitstrange you only got 15.5 mpg in the 4xe. I regularly get 18 to 20 in mine when the battery is depleted on 35’s. Maybe due to altitude?
@@davidcarrico3385yea i thought that was weird too. At least as good as our gladiator, but i was expecting much better tbh, like 20mpg. And christian and i both drive like retirees on the way to church. 😅
Curious what camera gear you guys are using? Looks great. I assume Go Pro and a DJi drone.
Oh man, yea thats a great question we are all over the place on that. Ive got a couple of gopro 11s but they constantly overheat and stop recording, so weve got gooro 10s and 9 and 8s that we use when one dies. And the drone stuff is all mavic 3 pro. We also use iphones and whatever footage we can get from people we ride with. Everytime we finish a trail im always amazed i even have any footage to work with, given the kids, dogs and all the crazyness from offroading with friends. 🥴🤪
@@barelymadeit I feel that! Either way footage looks great whoever is doing you editing. Spot on to them!
I think the part you're calling "going down on Engineer" is actually Mineral Creek. Did it let out to highway 550? I did Engineer back around 4th of July in a stock 3.6L Rubicon, started on the Lake City side and took Mineral Creek back to the highway, which looks familiar to the last section in the video. It's brutal, but tons of fun.
I totally buchered the route in the intro haha, but yes engineer splits to the right for poughkeepsie and you can keep going on engineer or take poughkeepsie, after poughkeepsie you can take california pass to the alpine loop connector back to engineer pass and then back to the start just off 550 in ouray. The connector takes you back well before the summit of engineer.
@@barelymadeit ah ok, so a fairly different route than what I took. If you're ever back in the area and doing Engineer, I recommend trying Mineral Creek back to the highway, the obstacles aren't anything huge, but it is pretty difficult when you are off camber on steep declines on a switch back, but it's tons of fun.
@@lzcpg awesome! Yea we will definitly have to try that! Weve come to not fear being offcamber as much lately. 😅
Looks like you took Mineral creek off of Engineer to the Poughkeepsie gulch turn off. Mineral creek def isn’t an easy trail.
@@montelletamez9546 maybe trails offroad has it labled wrong, because we entered on engineer and exited engineer as well. If you look at the loop theres a connector that takes you back to engineer.
You probably consider Poughkeepsie a buggy trail😅
Thanks for the daily troll. We appreciate you Tom! 🙏🏻
The 4xe does not have a torque converter.
Ahhh that would explain the issue. It feels so much different offroad than the 3.6. Its a sweet jeep, but it makes it hard to he very accurate on obsticles.
Should have tested out the speed control feature on the areas you were slipping. You would have not rolled back and easily maneuvered those sticky spots without a moments hesitation. The 4xe has 475 lb Fr of torque.
Thats a great idea, i wantes to keep it simple because i wasnt sure the driver would have been able to turn it off in the event the situation need a fast stop. It was his first time ever offroading. 😀
@@barelymadeitwhat a way to break the driver in 😅
What about Hill Decent Control, won't that prevent the roll back?@@barelymadeit
@@JimmyDevere im not sure. Our friend greg just purchased a 2024 (its in one of our new videos) and he doesnt have this problem at all. So im wondering if there was an issue with ours.
What offset are your rims on the gladiator?
I should know this but i completely forgot. 😬
Haha, that's life, was just curious.@@barelymadeit
You could have made Poughkeepsie
What do you mean? The wall? 😀
@@barelymadeit absolutely. Just about the correct line and spotter.
Nothing is hard in that area.
Exactly, we even mention that at the beginning of the video.
To bad Black bear is "Closed"
I agree. Black bear would have been awesome!
promo sm 🙄
Huh?
Great.. minus the terrible soundtrack.
Thanks so much for the feedback! We will work on better music! 😀