“For the sake of realism” let’s add some frontal armour to Italian Ariete tanks just to spice it up! Of course, it’ll only be a 3mm plate of dog leather, but it’s something!
Remember when the snail said "Some Abrams may have DU armor, but we don't care, get fucked US players, no armor for you" Vs for Russia, "Why yes, a single T80 was fitted with gen 2 thermals as a test, therefore all T80 variants have gen 3 thermals now"
@@aaroncruz9181yeah like 80 damn years ago when they had an entirely different government during a war that happened ages ago, totally different than today’s conflicts, France now also has NATO, what are you even on about?
While, yes this is a real thing (FCS does this in order to prevent the gun from possible collision) its completly uncalled for. FCS is barely modeled in game and it seems to me that gajin is quite selective about applying these limitations
As always, realism only matters when they feel like it. There's absolutely no consistency, it's like a 50/50 any time a bug report is submitted. Will it be denied because of balance, or will it go through because of realism? Who knows, submit a report and find out!
leclerc having a 5 second reload because “realistically the 3.5-4 second load time would stress the autoloader” 😢 tiger 2 transmission randomly blowing up wen..
It's horrible, these angles were super important and now if some idiot is behind you and you have no engine it's absolutely over, he can just be anywhere behind you
@bobsjepanzerkampfwagen4150 I've heard from someone that you need to disable the stabilizer to let you lower the gun like that. Should try it in war thunder and see if it works
I don't know, it's not going to crush Leo's performance in any way, they just made it annoying. The whole top-tier gameplay can be described as annoying.
@ same I really hoped this October update would add the full BeNeLux tech tree which apparently seems like it’s the only way for Gaijin to add the EBRC Jaguar (my beloved)
I still have the notes i wrote when in the army and was trained to operate the Leo 2, and the angels absolutelly arent this harsh. WT hasnt been about historical accuracy at all since 2019 and is significantly closer to arcade mode without aim assistance
Yeah let’s ignore that T-series’ autoloader acts like a spall liner and prevents ammo explosions when hit by autocannon fire or smaller caliber shells. Just nerf Leo instead.
@@TFON3212 literally almost all autoloader tanks can do that manually so why T-series tanks should get it if others don’t? Besides if Russian tank gets any dmg to autoloader from incoming fire it becomes a Russian space program so manual loading does jackshit
@@Optimusprime56241 After the turret swings past 3 or 9 O'Clock it goes into what's called the "Heckabweiser" aka rear deflector, which is done so that the cannon won't hit the back parts of the tank, which are slightly higher than the front. On the real tank it does that automatically if the stabilizer is on and all systems are running fine and it'll stop you from depressing the gun further in the name of not fucking up your own barrel, which leaves this distance you pointed out, OP. Since the optics of the gunner can move independently from the gun itself with stabilization on, you can actually look further down as the gunner but if you try to fire the gun the normal way, the ballistic computer will obviously stop you.
No way that's how it works IRL. I mean you can even see how it has plenty of room. I would understand if it was a couple more degrees outwards, but that's plain ridiculous Edit: I just watched a video of it elevating while rotating its turret in a video on the War Thunder forums back in 2018. Apparently that IS realistic.
You already corrected yourself but by turning if the stab you SHOULD be able to aim closer to the engine deck. Of course Gaijin ignores that though, like already mentioned in the video.
huh there is so much room before the barrel will hit the engine deck nah I dought IRL Leo FCS system will start elevating the gun so soon maybe if you traverse the turret at full speed towards your back it starts elevating there
Dosen’t matter for me since i always just turn my leopard around anyways to keep armor front and the most likely case the enemy will still kill you from behind
Интересно, а Гайджин знают что для перезарядки танкам с автоматом заряжания нужно поднимать орудие на определённый угол, перезарядить, а потом возвращать его назад? Что там по поводу реализма?
@@Kailer_Wolf the optics and the gun are decoupled during reload, when the gun barrel rises to reload the gun sight stays on target. This would effect Leopard 2s too.
@@bloddy66 what do you mean by best? sure if you mention the strv.. but basic leopard2s from germany is already balanced.. not the best imo.. there is better tank like the T-90M, T-80BVM.. even the M1A1s from the US.. less reload etc... by further nerfing the Leopard2.. makes it a bad tank
@@fregatta9243 strv is a copy of leopard, t90m is a shit with -4 reverse, 80bvm better, but shit. m1a1 can pen even in turret, and has pump that disable turret ring
@@kaidown5941 It would have to be someone with German Leopard documents, you aren't getting that stuff in the US i.e. I have only seen supposed German tankers talk about this being a thing.
While I'm not exactly opposed to this change, I would've preferred if the deadzone wasn't so damn large. I think the deadzone starting at 150 -- 155 / 25 -- 30 would be better or at least give the Leopards the stabilizer override. Unfortunately, we know Gaijin isn't gonna do crap about this because of how they are with their changes.
Honestly, i hate fighting Germany at all b.r's . When i see the tam absorb its 10th 105 apds, i usually just quit. Or when leopard 1's mantle deflects the 120 apfsds.
In fact, this is a very strong nerf to a machine that always fights due to the terrain and in the face of the enemy. Any flang entry from the stern is a corpse. This is not a playable tank in real life.
Leo's get restrictive depression arcs cuz "it's how it is irl" yet T series is still fully capable to fire accurately at full speeds. Destroying Gunner optics does nothing to the tanks in game, and Relik ERA is this god tier stop everything ignore all type of armour in game. that's legit
@@Rojek-ls3dl his point is that you are complaining about nonsense. do you think a Rooikat moving at 100km/h on offroad will be able to reload with the loader being tossed around? T series tanks being capable of accurately shooting on move? yes, what is the issue? even if they can't irl, they need it. not only that, but the Conqueror has a full stab, yet not only it didnt have one irl, it could not even aim/shoot on the move... or that US WWII stabs are not like stabilizing until the speed gets higher than 24km/h and then doing nothing... why dont you complain about those? relikt ERA being strong? an ERA that was *designed* to be effective against anything is being effective against anything? OMG bias!4!4! next time when i shoot the upper plate of a Tiger II with an IS-2 and it does not pen i will scream bias, righ? because it obviously is bias, and absolutely not me aiming at the wrong place! (also let's ignore the fact that gen 3 APDS just LOLpens ERA like nothing)
Lets ignore how M1s and Leo 2s cant have a 5-6 sec reload without having the blast doors open 24/7. Yes an M1 loader can reload the gun in 3 seconds, but thats just him taking the round and shoving it in the breech. Irl they are not allowed to fire with the ammo doors open, which takes another 2-3 seconds. Realistically M1s and Leos should have a 7-8 sec max reload, unless u want to sacrifice the blowout panels. I don't see anyone complain about that aspect And lets also ignore the fact that Relikt was specifically designed to reduce the pen of apfsds rounds. Irl the reduction is ~18-30% depending on the shell. Relikt is not overperforming. At most u can complain about volumetric issues but every tank suffers from them, its not a soviet specific thing
Historical and realistic, thats the feature of Leopard 2 FCS, turning stabiliser off would disable that feature but would end up in a horrible gun and turret rotation speed.
Does the FCS even do that when you are slowly traversing the turret towards the engine deck or only when you are traversing towards the back at full speed if it really does that at slow speed then who fucking came to that idea to block that much room for the gun I understand when it elevates there if your turret is traversing at full speed and therefore give the barrel more space and time to elevate to clear the engine deck
@rayotoxi1509 yeah it does that even you go slow if somehow someone has gotten behind your tank to that degree something has already gone wrong at that point
yaaay!!! lets pretend the engine block extends so fucking far that we cant turn the turret 90 degrees and hit a fucking depression block!!! im so excited for the new update!!!
@@takenname7348 apply to other nations but primarily impact the Russian Tree, or in the case of the Ka-50/52 direct response to it. 2S38 ammo rack size increase. Disabled the ability to look through the Khrizantema missile tube. All Mi-24 helicopter based optical magnification was nerfed to shit. T-72 optics nerf Probably more if I can remember.
Gaijin just throwing their "realism should not stand above fun" into the trash bin with this one. Now the Leopard is only good for standing behind a rock and sniping...
It's so silly how people have been freaking out over this when I can't remember like ever shooting someone at the relevant angles with the Leo2A4. Would be nice if we could turn off the stab and get the full depression though.
@@MaskFky yeah yeah. Allowing to damage loader mechanisms surely didnt just nerf RU tanks. Come crying about bias when all other tanks geat a realistic "loader fatigue" mechanic.
i have never seen this in real life on actual real dutch leopards. i ran a 2 week intern program as an engineer at the dutch royal army. (Koninklijke Landmacht) and i have seen a real whole ass leopard upclose and it depresed its gun like it did before this nerf. the only reason i can imagine is that the shockwave of the gun damaging the rear but it could still do it nothing is stopping it from doing so.
I mean, apparently Leo2 has been overperforming for years. Guess this is justified, although doing it just as france gets one is... well, quite the oof.
Like, yes, this is realistic, and yes, the Leopards perform quite good, but so do the T80s, and the modelling of the autoloaders just gave those a free ammo spall liner, so... idk man
I have unlocked the Leopard 1 and on a big dessert map (i dont know the name) i had to drive over the hill to aim low enough so that i can shoot at the enemie that was 1,2-1,5km away but tose where able to shoot from behind it... And hitting them only to see that your shoot just goes thrue everything wih out dealing damage is just pain The commander of them is like: dying wasn't an order (the 120mm ap shell have just hit him)
My immideate reaction to this is "why?" They don't model this in the M1A2 or hell even soviet tanks with the same limitations so it's kind of weird having them nerf leos like this..
@@TonyWulf66 Yeah, but where is it, I don’t have that on my Tank… maybe your talking about the emergency shut-off to the left of the commanders Monitor? Below the PERI zoom?
I sincerely hope it's a way for them to balance the leos without having them move BR, rather than beeing a cherry picking modification for the sake of realism
bvm same situation u want to shot back the gun enter in cage, t90 again i back in left is a holder or something again gun enter in this, thunguska missile enter in hull u look down, pansir missile littlebit same, of 40 mod2 u lock in side ap back the gun enter in hull so this no need nerf only leopards ?
![[Dev] 120km Cruise Missiles...](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ipr0wszi4jg/mqdefault.jpg)
*PSO had a sensor that blocked depression in live settings at a smaller arc, but it IS going to be nerfed too
How about the STRV 121 122S series Will they also be nerfed?
@@arifakbar5528 its all leopards 2s...
i think is necessary, even fucking my tank aswell
“For the sake of realism” let’s add some frontal armour to Italian Ariete tanks just to spice it up! Of course, it’ll only be a 3mm plate of dog leather, but it’s something!
why dog leather lmao so outta pocket
Remember when the snail said "Some Abrams may have DU armor, but we don't care, get fucked US players, no armor for you" Vs for Russia, "Why yes, a single T80 was fitted with gen 2 thermals as a test, therefore all T80 variants have gen 3 thermals now"
Leos come to France and they recieve a weird nerf, coincidence ? I think not.
Saw That Paris surrendered without a War, who needs them now?.
@aaroncruz9181 what are you even talking about ?
This is to reduce the French ability to fire while retreating.
@mr.waffentrager4400 now that's a better joke
@@aaroncruz9181yeah like 80 damn years ago when they had an entirely different government during a war that happened ages ago, totally different than today’s conflicts, France now also has NATO, what are you even on about?
France receive leopards, they get nerfed. At this point they're not even trying to hide it anymore
french mains always have to make it about themselves
Same thing happened when the AuF1 arrived and VT shells got nerfed
So what you’re saying is that France should get a Pantsir
@@SchlopFlopperngl that was awesome
@@HouseWrecka boom, Pantsir range decrease to 10km
While, yes this is a real thing (FCS does this in order to prevent the gun from possible collision) its completly uncalled for. FCS is barely modeled in game and it seems to me that gajin is quite selective about applying these limitations
abrams has it Leo have it they added where it is needed
As always, realism only matters when they feel like it. There's absolutely no consistency, it's like a 50/50 any time a bug report is submitted. Will it be denied because of balance, or will it go through because of realism? Who knows, submit a report and find out!
They still have not reworked/buffed the Sholef either huh and the list goes on and on
Yeah considering how irl there is a override switch for this feature as well
leclerc having a 5 second reload because “realistically the 3.5-4 second load time would stress the autoloader” 😢
tiger 2 transmission randomly blowing up wen..
Oh, they did that.. but Tunguska's missiles still clip into the turret ring when you use full depression. That's cool
yeah, god forbid to fix russian vehicles if it's going to make them worse
as tunguska would kill easily enemy tanks with that kv2 turret.
And they say there is no Russian bias
well in total fairness i believe you have more stuff worry about in that tier other than a tunguska
Oh no
Tunguska missiles can clip into the turret ring, the horror!
A very weird nerf, it might be rare to use those angles but it does have some functions like shooting flanking enemies maybe?
@@Zer0RE engine disable
It is what it is I guess :/
I use those angles alot
It's horrible, these angles were super important and now if some idiot is behind you and you have no engine it's absolutely over, he can just be anywhere behind you
when gaijin added m26 to france they increased its br tob6.7 now they add leopards to france and nerf them...
@@SquiddyKraken imagine VAB-2M and 2C38
Yeah m26 in 6.7 france it pain but i finally spaded it :')
Having done my service with a Leo2 this is realistic but totally unnecessary considering there is override switch for this feature in the real thing
meaning you can actually depress the gun right on the ass of the leopard? Or even bump the barrel right into the ass when rotating on override mode?
@@Gurubashyyes thats how they are being transported and put in storage after all
@bobsjepanzerkampfwagen4150 I've heard from someone that you need to disable the stabilizer to let you lower the gun like that. Should try it in war thunder and see if it works
If they want realistic changes they should also let the gun depress into that zone when the stab is off
or give this feature its override switch
I don't know, it's not going to crush Leo's performance in any way, they just made it annoying. The whole top-tier gameplay can be described as annoying.
Yeah, whole ammo bug, whole spall bug, whole CAS, whole GPS thing, whole general gameplay
It's definition of everything wrong
People need to complain about something each update, even if it is the best MBT/ jets etc getting an abysmally small nerf
Of course the nerf had to be added when France receive Leopard too
The man who did the report is an opp for every country with Leopard 2s
Sound like we need VAB-2M and 2C38 for france
"France can't have nice things"
still waiting on a french ifv
please
please gaijin.
@ same
I really hoped this October update would add the full BeNeLux tech tree which apparently seems like it’s the only way for Gaijin to add the EBRC Jaguar (my beloved)
@@icy3-1don't the French have 4 sec autoloaders? Stop crying like a bitch
I still have the notes i wrote when in the army and was trained to operate the Leo 2, and the angels absolutelly arent this harsh. WT hasnt been about historical accuracy at all since 2019 and is significantly closer to arcade mode without aim assistance
Yeah let’s ignore that T-series’ autoloader acts like a spall liner and prevents ammo explosions when hit by autocannon fire or smaller caliber shells. Just nerf Leo instead.
That's simply a bug bullsh*t but somehow USSR thing need those
Even it leave large amounts of disappointment
@@SRDPS2 better take a year to fix F-16C’s thermals pod and and like 3 Su-25’s before fixing it
no way you literally crying about that. jesus.
And lets ignore that T-series with autoloader can load gun manually, huh?
@@TFON3212 literally almost all autoloader tanks can do that manually so why T-series tanks should get it if others don’t? Besides if Russian tank gets any dmg to autoloader from incoming fire it becomes a Russian space program so manual loading does jackshit
Truly what is needed to balance out top tier ground RB! 😁👍(Why is Gaijin so consistent in making bad decisions?)
So a realistic change is bad?
@@ricardoricardoricardoricardo its not even realistic
@@Optimusprime56241 After the turret swings past 3 or 9 O'Clock it goes into what's called the "Heckabweiser" aka rear deflector, which is done so that the cannon won't hit the back parts of the tank, which are slightly higher than the front. On the real tank it does that automatically if the stabilizer is on and all systems are running fine and it'll stop you from depressing the gun further in the name of not fucking up your own barrel, which leaves this distance you pointed out, OP. Since the optics of the gunner can move independently from the gun itself with stabilization on, you can actually look further down as the gunner but if you try to fire the gun the normal way, the ballistic computer will obviously stop you.
@@ricardoricardoricardoricardo yes
@@Optimusprime56241 there's a bug report proving it is, what's your counter argument?
No way that's how it works IRL. I mean you can even see how it has plenty of room. I would understand if it was a couple more degrees outwards, but that's plain ridiculous
Edit: I just watched a video of it elevating while rotating its turret in a video on the War Thunder forums back in 2018. Apparently that IS realistic.
surprise surprise it does not work like that, at least how it is ingame. Literally look at any footage.
You are forgetting about the shockwave. Having a gun firing that close could damage the engine compartment.
@@Философ but you still can fire the gun
You already corrected yourself but by turning if the stab you SHOULD be able to aim closer to the engine deck. Of course Gaijin ignores that though, like already mentioned in the video.
Yea, it is realistic.
If you want to depress further than that, you must turn off the electronics and turn the gun by hand.
I've never been quick to a zenturions video before
Good thing that my merkava doesnt have that tumor in the back
As a German main
Just take like 1s to turn the hull
(Unless it’s the PSO, that thing turning is slow)
Or just head on because at least it's no longer Leopard 1
disabled engine moment
@@Optimusprime56241 I wouldn't surprise if I got hard camp by another Leopard
It takes 10 seconds to type a complaint Vs 10 years for any war thunder player to develop the simplest skill set
Object 775 about to go on a flanking spree this update
And meanwhile the autoloaders on T-80 still act as armor for the ammo.
They don't
Average USSR bullsh*t
They really need bug to survive only to get UNO reverse include if you play one
@@Hian482 Yesn't, They arn't
It's USSR damage model, expect unexpected
they dont
People like this believe in bs at face value and keep repeating the same stuff forever.
1:24 The airfield is ours! We must hold it.
> Leopards are set to be added to France
> Hufe leopard nerf
> Pluh
this is just one of those changes that makes absolutely no fucking sense. gaijin loves these.
When when Tunguska has had clipping issues since it released and gaijin simply “overlooks” it
USA m1A2 need a buff for depression for firing towards the back
huh there is so much room before the barrel will hit the engine deck nah I dought IRL Leo FCS system will start elevating the gun so soon maybe if you traverse the turret at full speed towards your back it starts elevating there
Dosen’t matter for me since i always just turn my leopard around anyways to keep armor front and the most likely case the enemy will still kill you from behind
Интересно, а Гайджин знают что для перезарядки танкам с автоматом заряжания нужно поднимать орудие на определённый угол, перезарядить, а потом возвращать его назад? Что там по поводу реализма?
перезарядка балансная величина это раз
поднятие ствола входит в это время перезарядки это два(это ответ модеров с форума)
Would be so cool
But also BMP-3 💀
@@Kailer_Wolf the optics and the gun are decoupled during reload, when the gun barrel rises to reload the gun sight stays on target.
This would effect Leopard 2s too.
Тот же прикол с бк на натовских тачках. Чтобы взять его, нужно башню на 90 градусов повернуть. Прикиньте такую «фичу»? Мы же реализм ратуем?
The super Pershing would be alot worse if they add that.
ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE
that’s nearly HALF of the entire turret turning radius
Bro, leopards 2 are best top tier tanks, so what you want? And you will suffer from that like in ~2% of time
@@bloddy66 what do you mean by best? sure if you mention the strv.. but basic leopard2s from germany is already balanced.. not the best imo.. there is better tank like the T-90M, T-80BVM.. even the M1A1s from the US.. less reload etc... by further nerfing the Leopard2.. makes it a bad tank
@@fregatta9243 strv is a copy of leopard, t90m is a shit with -4 reverse, 80bvm better, but shit. m1a1 can pen even in turret, and has pump that disable turret ring
@@bloddy66 theyre not the best and its not a realistic nerf
@@bloddy66 you would be right if gaijin wasnt so insistent on adding small CQC maps all the damn time
'Laughs in Vickers Mk7'
Watch T-80BVM get more depression while it clips through 3D model
Okay who tf report that????
US main for sure
@@kaidown5941 doubt, might be Russia main
USA are just 24/7 complaints about every USSR thing simply no time to pay attention to this
@@kaidown5941 It would have to be someone with German Leopard documents, you aren't getting that stuff in the US i.e. I have only seen supposed German tankers talk about this being a thing.
Probably someone who was a crew in Leo, you'd notice this pretty quick if you ever used it.
@@aflyingcowboy31you can get this documents readily online….
While I'm not exactly opposed to this change, I would've preferred if the deadzone wasn't so damn large. I think the deadzone starting at 150 -- 155 / 25 -- 30 would be better or at least give the Leopards the stabilizer override. Unfortunately, we know Gaijin isn't gonna do crap about this because of how they are with their changes.
by far the best representation of this issue. short and straight to the point 👍
Zen has discovered the dopeness of Ridge racer type 4 ost, Move me is a absolute banger
Agreed!
Im not german main
But they dont deserve this
Challenger 2 suffers from a similar issue, its really not that big of a deal
@@mirekspodmonopolowego9016 now its more fair for us challenger users
Oh, no they do deserve it after whining about Abrams
@@nou5877what German mains are you talking about
Honestly, i hate fighting Germany at all b.r's . When i see the tam absorb its 10th 105 apds, i usually just quit. Or when leopard 1's mantle deflects the 120 apfsds.
In fact, this is a very strong nerf to a machine that always fights due to the terrain and in the face of the enemy. Any flang entry from the stern is a corpse. This is not a playable tank in real life.
Turning the stabilizer off does remove the auto lifting of he barrel in real life and Gaijin knows this.
Leo's get restrictive depression arcs cuz "it's how it is irl" yet T series is still fully capable to fire accurately at full speeds. Destroying Gunner optics does nothing to the tanks in game, and Relik ERA is this god tier stop everything ignore all type of armour in game. that's legit
same shit with manual loading at full speed, lol
@@sharkpop1194 your point is?
@@sharkpop1194 он просто верит в рашн биас
@@Rojek-ls3dl his point is that you are complaining about nonsense. do you think a Rooikat moving at 100km/h on offroad will be able to reload with the loader being tossed around?
T series tanks being capable of accurately shooting on move? yes, what is the issue? even if they can't irl, they need it. not only that, but the Conqueror has a full stab, yet not only it didnt have one irl, it could not even aim/shoot on the move...
or that US WWII stabs are not like stabilizing until the speed gets higher than 24km/h and then doing nothing...
why dont you complain about those?
relikt ERA being strong? an ERA that was *designed* to be effective against anything is being effective against anything?
OMG bias!4!4!
next time when i shoot the upper plate of a Tiger II with an IS-2 and it does not pen i will scream bias, righ? because it obviously is bias, and absolutely not me aiming at the wrong place!
(also let's ignore the fact that gen 3 APDS just LOLpens ERA like nothing)
Lets ignore how M1s and Leo 2s cant have a 5-6 sec reload without having the blast doors open 24/7. Yes an M1 loader can reload the gun in 3 seconds, but thats just him taking the round and shoving it in the breech. Irl they are not allowed to fire with the ammo doors open, which takes another 2-3 seconds. Realistically M1s and Leos should have a 7-8 sec max reload, unless u want to sacrifice the blowout panels. I don't see anyone complain about that aspect
And lets also ignore the fact that Relikt was specifically designed to reduce the pen of apfsds rounds. Irl the reduction is ~18-30% depending on the shell. Relikt is not overperforming. At most u can complain about volumetric issues but every tank suffers from them, its not a soviet specific thing
Warthunder civil war in the comments
I’ve never realised that PSO has worse side depression compared to other variants
Historical and realistic, thats the feature of Leopard 2 FCS, turning stabiliser off would disable that feature but would end up in a horrible gun and turret rotation speed.
Or just use the override switch
Does the FCS even do that when you are slowly traversing the turret towards the engine deck or only when you are traversing towards the back at full speed
if it really does that at slow speed then who fucking came to that idea to block that much room for the gun I understand when it elevates there if your turret is traversing at full speed and therefore give the barrel more space and time to elevate to clear the engine deck
@rayotoxi1509 yeah it does that even you go slow
if somehow someone has gotten behind your tank to that degree something has already gone wrong at that point
@@nicojokelin5547 What override switch are you referring to… Maybe I can find it in my tank cause I don’t remember there being one
@@beherith2874 maybe he means turning the STAB system off
from what I could read here it seems that without stab your able to depress the gun
As a guy who HATES math, you explained this perfectly. Thank you.
yaaay!!! lets pretend the engine block extends so fucking far that we cant turn the turret 90 degrees and hit a fucking depression block!!! im so excited for the new update!!!
why man it was fine not to good but good
For the sake of realism only works if it’s a nerf to nato vehicle or a buff to Soviet vehicle.
@@takenname7348 autoloader modules, commander taking control of gunner position, detailed helicopter modules, BMP-3 losing its commander's thermals?
@ only bmp3 losing commander thermal is a nerf. others apply to all nation.
@@takenname7348 apply to other nations but primarily impact the Russian Tree, or in the case of the Ka-50/52 direct response to it.
2S38 ammo rack size increase.
Disabled the ability to look through the Khrizantema missile tube.
All Mi-24 helicopter based optical magnification was nerfed to shit.
T-72 optics nerf
Probably more if I can remember.
Gaijin just throwing their "realism should not stand above fun" into the trash bin with this one.
Now the Leopard is only good for standing behind a rock and sniping...
It's so silly how people have been freaking out over this when I can't remember like ever shooting someone at the relevant angles with the Leo2A4. Would be nice if we could turn off the stab and get the full depression though.
You can disable the stab. Not sure if it gives you any depression though
@@lapantony Zent says that it doesn't. It'll probably get patched in eventually.
its not really about that. Its more about gaijin making another nerf to a country other than russia that wasnt even necessary
Just german mains wanking about nonsense
@@MaskFky yeah yeah.
Allowing to damage loader mechanisms surely didnt just nerf RU tanks.
Come crying about bias when all other tanks geat a realistic "loader fatigue" mechanic.
well finally but SCARY that japan 4 sec reload :c
and lets make it so when you turn off the stabilizer youre able to depress the gun there! because thats actually how it works irl!
Of course when I’m almost at German top tier they nerf it
Same I just unlock 2A4
Cool I just unlocked 2A4 after 1A1 pain
That will make Leopard fight even more annoy because it becomes phantom casemate tank
i have never seen this in real life on actual real dutch leopards.
i ran a 2 week intern program as an engineer at the dutch royal army. (Koninklijke Landmacht)
and i have seen a real whole ass leopard upclose and it depresed its gun like it did before this nerf.
the only reason i can imagine is that the shockwave of the gun damaging the rear but it could still do it nothing is stopping it from doing so.
I’m still pissed about the mig23ml radar nerf
What about modeling the cupola of the T72?
I like how you can’t ammorack the IT-1 by machine gunning it’s ATGM, unlike other ATGM carriers.
Anyone else notice the StarCraft sound fx at the end😅
Ah. Just what I needed. Making disabled engines even MORE fun.
Yet another reason to no bother playing anything past 8.7
I mean, apparently Leo2 has been overperforming for years. Guess this is justified, although doing it just as france gets one is... well, quite the oof.
Like, yes, this is realistic, and yes, the Leopards perform quite good, but so do the T80s, and the modelling of the autoloaders just gave those a free ammo spall liner, so... idk man
realism? why doesnt the sturmtiger have a realistic reload if realism overrides everything?
If this goes live, we riot
not the bandai namco type beat
Yo Ridge Racer Type 4 music
I'm not even a German main and this greatly upset me.
RIDGE RACER OST
YEEEEES
I have unlocked the Leopard 1 and on a big dessert map (i dont know the name) i had to drive over the hill to aim low enough so that i can shoot at the enemie that was 1,2-1,5km away but tose where able to shoot from behind it...
And hitting them only to see that your shoot just goes thrue everything wih out dealing damage is just pain
The commander of them is like: dying wasn't an order (the 120mm ap shell have just hit him)
Bro there is literally no reason for them to do this😭😭 they just made a bad tank worse.
후방부각이란게 없는 에이브의 슬픔은!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This what happens when the engine deck is raised up.
Somehow T-80 acceleration still isn't nerfed down to real values. All just a coincidence.
time to do our job as the community again it seems
STRV 122랑 비슷한 장갑이랑 성능인 Leopard 2a5DK 나오면 좋겠다
Gaijin changing stuff no one asked for, rarely for the better, almost always for the worst.
Yeah that's what we needed a nerf for the leopard and not the whole russian tech tree.
You probably think Russian bias exists 😂 what a clown
Can someone say gaijing about soviet tanks which needs certain angle(+3°) to reload gun?
Literally every tank have those (no exception with hand loaded)
It will be really cool but also BMP-3 💀
Сразу после нерфа негра в абрамсе, который снаряды на скорости 60 км\ч закидывает в казну за 5 сек
@@Бестолочь-с1к while Abram armor is just light tank with cheek armor ok
@@SRDPS2 no need to set positive angle for reload in Abrams if u fire at 0 degree angle.
If u fire in t-72 it will rise gun at 3° anyway
The gun is elevated without affecting gunners sight so its pointless
My immideate reaction to this is "why?" They don't model this in the M1A2 or hell even soviet tanks with the same limitations so it's kind of weird having them nerf leos like this..
welp about time for this to back fire to USSR mains , somehow this situational nerf is going to get connected with russian bias.......
JagdLeopard is real
Все по секретным (трофейным?) документам
Just hit the FCC override switch irl
The what?
@beherith2874 Essentially switches off advanced FCS capability. Most for emergency purposes
@@TonyWulf66 Yeah, but where is it, I don’t have that on my Tank… maybe your talking about the emergency shut-off to the left of the commanders Monitor? Below the PERI zoom?
I sincerely hope it's a way for them to balance the leos without having them move BR, rather than beeing a cherry picking modification for the sake of realism
That doesn't even make sense to look at
I hope they get a massive shit storm for this or nerf most of russian top tier vehicles for the sake of realism
Where they not depressed enough before? XD
Move me r4 ridge racer I love this song
and now my friend will suck, becouse Chally Black Night is best MBT :)))
(HESH is best round for it, even better than L27A1)
그리 크게 작용할 너프는 아닌데 괜히 신경 쓰이는 패치네..
bvm same situation u want to shot back the gun enter in cage, t90 again i back in left is a holder or something again gun enter in this, thunguska missile enter in hull u look down, pansir missile littlebit same, of 40 mod2 u lock in side ap back the gun enter in hull so this no need nerf only leopards ?
is that mean they going to be more happy?
Yall talking about France keep forgetting that Gaijin has nerfed the Arietes several times even tho is the worst tank in the game 😭
They always find a way to nerf that thing even tho there's literally nothing left to Nerf. Like my guy, what did that stupid tank do to y'all devs 🙏
I wish I had top tier ;(
strv122는 레오기반이라 같이 너프를 먹는데 이와중에 날탄은 또 600mm pen이 안넘네.. 그냥 미친 방어력만 밀고가라 이거구만
That's not really a big deal. How often are you shooting like that....
Really the only time you need when you get pinned down hard
뉴비때부터 독징징안하고 명예로운 대 독일기사로 착하게 지냈는데 나한테 왜그래
Rage and buy, buy and rage.
How about for realism gajin fixes arietes, makes smaller air lobbies especially for top tier at air rb
What did France do to Gaijin to make them this vindictive??