@@dylandate8459 I find your comment to be very harassing towards me, you should be banned for indirectly inciting hatred. Harassment shouldn’t be covered under freedom of speech.
@@dylandate8459 criticism is not harrasment. It happens all the time to people in the public eye. If I say someone is a terrible actor and is annoying it's not harrasment. On the other had throwing things at people such as milkshakes is a form of harrasment or even assault. My mom alw told me "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." This is not only good advice but a required attitude if you plan on living in a free and democatic country.
Freedom of speech will never happen as long as there is anonymity. All freedoms come with responsibilities, and the internet removes the responsibility from the speaker for what they say. What we really need is instant universal doxing. I would know who you are and you would know who I am. I suspect it is only a matter of time before this happens.
Michael Williams freedom of speech means there are no repercussions. that's why people want anonymity. they know they are not free to say what they want any other way. if twitter wants to make it so you have to verify who you are before using it, then that's their business, but i seem to be one of the only people that remembers when the internet was first starting and EVERYONE said "don't share too much personal information over the internet"
This was a great video. The section starting at 4:51 illustrating the difficulty of where you draw the line with problematic tweets was particularly eye-opening. Also, the interrupting texts from his mother, alarm, etc. genuinely made me laugh out loud.
Hmm, I really like the "What about this?" section of this video. Really highlights the trouble of trying to define what is harassment and what isn't. Twitter is in quite the pickle.
I have to give the producers of this video real no joke props with their motion graphics work, how animated between various examples of "how about this?". It was beautifully executed, whether or not you or I agree with their points, those transitions between images, between examples, they were so smoothly presented. There's the verbal content of a video, and there's the actual art direction content of a video, and the motion graphics of this video were art directed fantastically.
The solution seems pretty easy to me. Just ban users that make direct threats to other users. NO banning on basis of opinion, no matter how controvorsial it may be. If it's not making any threats, it gets to stay.
I agree, that's a good starting point and doing that is better than doing nothing. But to continue it a little further, what about making direct threats to other groups of people, which causes individuals of that group to feel fear? I think Twitter should do that, too, whether the target is black people, Jewish people, white people, or any other group of people. No one should have to feel afraid of someone hurting them because of their identity.
@@zacharydemko1835 Will banning the edgy racist that makes threats. prevent him from carrying out the threat in person? Banning people for threats doesn't get rid of potential violent acts. Banning racists doesn't stop them from being racists. It's the equivalent of sweeping dirt under under the rug.
The montage where you asked what is hate speech and harrasment was really well done. I think those few seconds illuminated the difficulties of twitter and free speech. Great work!
@@propterhawk3585 ruclips.net/video/VzoZf4IAfAc/видео.html It's related to this. He says only journalists can report news. He had an agenda. Unfortunately, he won. As expected of youtube.
Yeah, the problems of hate speech, racism, intolerance, belligerence, trolling, etc., will always be endemic to free speech. It's free, not restricted. But hey, like, sticks and stones...etc. We are free to refute, reply, disregard, ignore. And, the opposite, like in Russia, China, etc., means some guys with too much power and money tell us what we can or can't say. YT comments would disappear overnight.
+JoeKing K I think that's the problem. Twitter isn't the only people capable of shutting down free speech. Obviously people shouldn't be refrained from criticizing people or opinions, however harassment for the sake of harassing someone to drive them off the platform is just as destructive. If they did nothing, than they are allowing these mobs to run parts of Twitter instead.
1. Give people the tools to filter their notifications, and the trolls don't get fed. 2. Single-party enforcement will always fail. 3. The answer to bad speech is more good speech, not more restrictions on what can be said.
I don't use twitter, but I see you can block people, so that looks sufficient. Perhaps in the future we'll have our own "bots" who will block abusive people by criteria we set up, so even 1000 fake-account bots can be suppressed without ever seeing them? www.laptopmag.com/articles/block-someone-twitter
and those countries are facing the consequences...... sweden,britain,germany as people r afraid to speak against ideologies like islam so as not to offend 'sensitive adult babies'.
This guy's voice is great. So are his videos. When i see his mug on the cover of a Vox video on my feed, i click on it immediately. I'm never disappointed. That is all.
then there is something wrong with u.He just calls for speech censorship on twitter and youtube( basically people who he disagrees with). People who feel abused by 'mean words' on internet should either grow up or stop complaining instead of being adult babies and calling for censorship.
The same thing happened to Reddit, and that platform was actually BETTER thought out in this regard... The idea was that the community would regulate itself. It was a declaration of confidence towards the userbase, that their sense of responsibility would prevail statistically. With the voting system and ability to create new subreddits with new moderation principles at any time, the community was given all the tools it needed. It worked decently well for a couple of years until Eternal September struck. It has only gone downhill since, and the no administration attempt has gone up in flames as the website attracts the worst parts of society, which aren't willing to stay away from the stupidities and barbarism that we thought western civilisation had overcome.
Depends on the sub. Some are mature and employ constructive criticism to prove a point or attack yours; other subs are just huge groups of immature males that upvote a dumb joke and downvote anyone that expresses some true insight. Other then flock to that reply and downvote it even more without actually understanding or even reading it...they just do what everyone does...
“Free speech experiment” has got to be the most concerning thing I’ve read all day. The fact you would see it that way is all the more reason why we need it
The free speech listed in the constitution was put there specifically for unpopular or disliked speech. I don't agree with many of the things said on social media but I defend people's rights to say them. As long as it is now a direct call for action, then it's good to go. If you don't like the platform or your ideas aren't good enough to survive some criticism then don't post there. Maybe start a new platform that is more in tune with your ideas. We are still free to do that in this great country. I, myself, have been called a "troll" yet I belong to no organized online social community for deliberate disruption. I just had a different opinion than the ones who labeled me as a troll. In a since, they were harassing me. But I am grown and can deal with differences in opinion so I am not looking to have them banned. This all seems like a great deal of "my feelings got hurt so you have to go".
I think to some extent he's more specifically talking about targeted, repeated harassment that can lead to the recipient kinda feeling like garbage. Like if I said something that I thought was fine online, and then got 150 tweets at me calling me a dumb *insert slur* etc. I think I'd take his side. And yeah. Anyone can be harassed online. By anyone. So ban people who say awful slurs in bad contexts. Ban people who are infringing upon others rights with targeted harassment.
@@TRASHMONGR I respect your response, but I disagree in that bullying doesn't go away with silencing people. It just emboldens them. When it comes to the internet... Dude you might as well be living in a house made of doors and windows. Anyone can see you and you can see anyone. How are people to behave? You have to know the nature of beast. The beast is a manifestation of everything we do to fuck other people over, be it for the right or wrong reasons, but the beast is in all of us. You can't silence that. You can muster it up within yourself or be food for everyone else. That's how life works. That isn't going to change at all by telling people what they are and aren't allowed to say. Look into the history of people accepting censorship in order to feel protected if you need any historical context of my reasoning.
@@ronswanson1410 You have many great points, thank you for the discussion. I honestly agree with the fact you have to grow thick skin, and that it emboldens them when they're banned, silenced, etc. Because humans will be egged on when they get a reaction. And the only real way to have harassment stop is to just take it, don't budge. I just won't ever stand by when it crosses the line of targeting someone for an opinion/belief so I think we need some way to help it, although it may not be banning, I feel it's better than nothing. But I understand what you mean and why you disagree. Conversation is important in these trying times. Thanks.
@@TRASHMONGR No worries. Adults converse and children bicker. Thanks for being mature adult w me :). I think you just want people to live happily. I can't fault that. I am only skeptical on how we achieve the mission because I want that too.
If you dont like the argument or the tweet just say it and counter it with another argument or tweet. It is a free speech platform not a social justice platform.
This wasn't about harassment, he used his identity to try to ban a political adversary over some edgy jokes. I don't believe for a second that he ever felt in danger because of the supposed backlash over some jokes. He wanted to ban him over political views
yes it pretty much does...we only limit it in very extreme circumstances, or used to. the whole point of it is so dissenting voices can be heard without fear of repercussion
you have the freedom to say the n-word to a black person. There is no "limit" on that in and of itself. It's hurtful, isn't advised and you'll sound racist, but you have the freedom to say that.
@Midorima Shintaro Twitter shouldn’t be the ones who control speech though. Just give each user the ability to hide tweets or entire profiles they don’t like. Done. Everyone wins. You think it’s acceptable that Twitter banned Trump from the platform - nobody’s ALLOWED to read what he has to say? ☝️What is responsible about this?
@Midorima Shintaro A) your most recent comment has no real point or argument. B) yes they can…. C) we’re talking about harassers not trolls - they are not the same thing D) trump didn’t care about trolls or harassers. E) what we’re taking about is: if someone doesn’t like trumps tweets - Twitter shouldn’t ban him - Twitter should give users the ability to hide his tweets from their feed. Let the choice be up to the individual- not the corporation. F) if they can ban the POTUS - they can ban anyone - you believe that’s acceptable. 👍🏼
Freedom is a concept that should never be said or used on its own without the concept of RESPONSIBILITY also attached. No one on Twitter seems to want responsibility for what they say.
targeted harrassment based on someone's identity isn't just spouting "mean things". speech shouldn't be free if it's promoting violence against marginalised groups.
@@devni428 He never said to hurt him, so what violence was spread? And guess what Steven is a comedian, he makes fun of everyone get off your high horse
Even if Instagram has started gaining a lot of traction the last year, Facebook still remains the most complete social network. It's Instagram, Twitter, Tumblr, Linkedin, RUclips all in one. But still, it's also the most malevolent of them all...
My son cry’s when he wants something too! Sometimes I feel bad say awe and pick him up and sometimes I realize he is manipulating me to get what he wants.
Make it so every account has to be verified and get rid of anonymous posting except in the case of whistleblowing (have some administrative oversight). You shut down bots and trolls who require anonymity. You shut down repeat accounts that only serve to further harassment. If people want to be terrible, they get to be, but at a similar social and possibly financial cost of being terrible in the real world.
We need an island of hate. There miserable people can spew as much hate at each other they like! That way no ones feelings are hurt because everyone hates everyone. There fixed it!
"If you allow hate speech to flourish on your platform, you are making a platform for hate speech and that's NOT neutral" Does this lady not know what NEUTRAL is?
Because they have a distinctive liberal and leftist ideology (Which I totally concur), and have displayed such "biased" views on some of their videos. Far-right supporters have noticed this and dislike or post negative comments on every video that has to do with politics. Most of their videos show facts and truth, no matter what they believe in. They could talk a little more about Hillary's mistakes and acts, but I don't mind...
@mathmagician Did you watch the video? Its about twitter and basically the internet having speech restrictions and that they are fine with it and think its necessary? Nobody dislikes because they talk crap about trump, people don't want to be restricted. Even now in the comment section i have to watch what i say on videos i enjoy because depending on what you say, youtube shows you that it is posted, but in reality it is flagged under the "spam" section, and nobody will see it but you, until the creator of the video uplifts it from spam. Its really scary if you think about it.
empolyon2 he is not turning back to ottoman empire. He use the ottoman empire to get vote. İs he good person ? No. But there is missunderstand overhere.
Uncle Ruckus Erdoğan is not a good person. But its not want to make turkey ottoman empire. İts not that easy. There is more complicated things is Turkey. But i cant tell you with my bad english.
empolyon2 the ottoman empire back then had %70 ethnically non turk fighters. Now that everyone is doing something else, the ottoman empire is merely a dream for turks. Will never happen.
I think its more about the current appeal of nationalism among electorates. like in turkey we are seeing increase in the right and the left, more nationalism and isolation (on the right say wilders in the PVV netherlands) with a stronger more emphasised response from the left as well (perhaps antifa in america shows that response eg). This polarisation is unhealthy and progressive liberal politics is fighting back as a result in some places, like in france and uk
tom whitehead alt right islam rules turkey now. Anyone with a different opinion is killed or threatened. Its become illegal to do and say anything that might hurt the akp’s image. If you’re Kurd you are called a terrorist, if you are turk you are called a terrorist supporter of feytullah gulen. Basically a dictatorship that must be abolished or worse could come for turkey.
A lot of bad ideas exist in the world. Get over it. Most people will be able to tell the difference. If there were no bad ideas, there could be no good ideas.
I think the section at 4:50 is really balanced and good intentioned. I think the journalist did fantastic job approaching some of the toughest problems of the free speech debate and it certainly helped expand my own thoughts on speech and the what / why of what we socally condem as "bad speech"
I keep expecting to hear that Twitter has closed up shop. They have no path to profitability, as costs keep climbing faster than revenue, and their user growth stagnates because why Tweet in the first place.
same exact thing happens on youtube…. though shockingly, youtube seems far more accepting of harassment. twitter lets this bs go, then panics and starts booting trolls for a week. by contrast youtube doesn't give a damn and lets it go on indefinitely.
You want freedom of your speech, not freedom of speech. Can't have it both ways
Harassment shouldn't be covered under freedom of speech.
@@dylandate8459 I find your comment to be very harassing towards me, you should be banned for indirectly inciting hatred.
Harassment shouldn’t be covered under freedom of speech.
jonathan smith HAHAHA ur good at this game
@@dylandate8459 criticism is not harrasment. It happens all the time to people in the public eye. If I say someone is a terrible actor and is annoying it's not harrasment. On the other had throwing things at people such as milkshakes is a form of harrasment or even assault. My mom alw told me "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." This is not only good advice but a required attitude if you plan on living in a free and democatic country.
@DylanDate I am hurt and offended by your harrassment towards Troy B.
What people really want is Freedom of My Speech, Not Yours.
WHat people doesn't really want is doxing or harassment.
Harrashment xD xD
No, what people want is freedom of repercussions for thier speech. Which should never happen.
Freedom of speech will never happen as long as there is anonymity. All freedoms come with responsibilities, and the internet removes the responsibility from the speaker for what they say.
What we really need is instant universal doxing. I would know who you are and you would know who I am. I suspect it is only a matter of time before this happens.
Michael Williams freedom of speech means there are no repercussions. that's why people want anonymity. they know they are not free to say what they want any other way. if twitter wants to make it so you have to verify who you are before using it, then that's their business, but i seem to be one of the only people that remembers when the internet was first starting and EVERYONE said "don't share too much personal information over the internet"
"No, that's just a text from my mom." A depressed look comes on his face.
the humor isnt that nice on this one imo
I’m so sick of these comments from people who obviously didn’t watch the video
Honestly they come with their pre-meditated thoughts on a video they won’t even watch, and leave as if they’ve done something
@@ASS_ault ok?? No I’m actually not on Twitter but what does that half to do with the video?
@@ASS_ault Ok? It’s his first amendment right, who cares?
Context is the light Mr. Denicore. We must cherish such a virtue we need.
I watched he video, it’s what u think.
This was a great video. The section starting at 4:51 illustrating the difficulty of where you draw the line with problematic tweets was particularly eye-opening.
Also, the interrupting texts from his mother, alarm, etc. genuinely made me laugh out loud.
Hmm, I really like the "What about this?" section of this video. Really highlights the trouble of trying to define what is harassment and what isn't. Twitter is in quite the pickle.
I really agree with this comment, I think Vox is getting a lot of hate for nothing in this relatively objective video.
@@ASS_ault is this a bot?
@@stefstokman3593 Almost certainly.
The 1st amendment does not protect the speech you like but the speech you do not like.
@@A-rk3dn You Are A Dumdass!
Free Speech!
The G mafia and woke warriors really are a thing and it is scary.
Perfectly said
Andrew I take it English is not your first language? Smh
actually it just protects us from suppression of speech by the government
Vox: "Hate speech is anything I disagree with"
*Trump
bingo!
And milk shake with cement is great, right?
That's not a quote.
4:43 srsly do you even watch the video ?
Took me a while to warm up to Carlos, but I enjoy the self-awareness in his videos now.
I have to give the producers of this video real no joke props with their motion graphics work, how animated between various examples of "how about this?". It was beautifully executed, whether or not you or I agree with their points, those transitions between images, between examples, they were so smoothly presented. There's the verbal content of a video, and there's the actual art direction content of a video, and the motion graphics of this video were art directed fantastically.
The solution seems pretty easy to me. Just ban users that make direct threats to other users. NO banning on basis of opinion, no matter how controvorsial it may be. If it's not making any threats, it gets to stay.
And what precisely constitutes a threat?
Threating them with harm.
I agree, that's a good starting point and doing that is better than doing nothing.
But to continue it a little further, what about making direct threats to other groups of people, which causes individuals of that group to feel fear? I think Twitter should do that, too, whether the target is black people, Jewish people, white people, or any other group of people. No one should have to feel afraid of someone hurting them because of their identity.
@@zacharydemko1835 Will banning the edgy racist that makes threats. prevent him from carrying out the threat in person? Banning people for threats doesn't get rid of potential violent acts. Banning racists doesn't stop them from being racists. It's the equivalent of sweeping dirt under under the rug.
Every tweet about harassment in this video is essentially what YOU actually do here and on Twitter
Vox is not harassing you. You came hear and shared your opinion. Actually you accused them of harassment. This 'evidence' does not hold up in court.
The montage where you asked what is hate speech and harrasment was really well done. I think those few seconds illuminated the difficulties of twitter and free speech. Great work!
1:50 - OK. I'll admit it. Carlos made me laugh for the first time ever.
So you want free speech but you want to control how people communicate............ that's not free.....
Harassment isn't free.
That’s the problem he’s talking about.
you don't want freedom you want debauchery
I thought you have thick skin?
Maybe he meant foreskin
No he has chicken skin
@@propterhawk3585 ruclips.net/video/VzoZf4IAfAc/видео.html
It's related to this. He says only journalists can report news. He had an agenda. Unfortunately, he won. As expected of youtube.
Maybe this is projection like how his circle likes to portray Trump supporters as always saying, "I'm not racist, but-"
@@rickrollrizal2364 uy si Rizal
Most of these "Twitter" problems are more likely problems of the society using it. Twitter can only do so much but I don't think they are to blame.
I agree they shouldn't be blamed but if twitter wants to promote free speech they should honestly do absolutely nothing.
The whole idea that by not stopping a conflict you support the dominant side is stupid you literally don't support either side.
Vin Cent but at the same time they should at least do something about it
Yeah, the problems of hate speech, racism, intolerance, belligerence, trolling, etc., will always be endemic to free speech. It's free, not restricted. But hey, like, sticks and stones...etc. We are free to refute, reply, disregard, ignore. And, the opposite, like in Russia, China, etc., means some guys with too much power and money tell us what we can or can't say. YT comments would disappear overnight.
+JoeKing K I think that's the problem. Twitter isn't the only people capable of shutting down free speech. Obviously people shouldn't be refrained from criticizing people or opinions, however harassment for the sake of harassing someone to drive them off the platform is just as destructive. If they did nothing, than they are allowing these mobs to run parts of Twitter instead.
*STICKS AND STONES!*
*NO censorship is okay!*
Harassment is not censorship.
"Twitter?"
"Nah, its my mom"
Lol
She should delete her account ! Someone call the police for online harassment !
I'd say that if I was his mom
why am i seeing you everywhere?
What's good boi
FOURTH REICH he’s suppressing the anger that there are people who use names like “FOURTH REICH”
No, harassment is lobbying to silence and suppress the views of those you disagree with.
1. Give people the tools to filter their notifications, and the trolls don't get fed.
2. Single-party enforcement will always fail.
3. The answer to bad speech is more good speech, not more restrictions on what can be said.
Radix totally agree
Radix yes
I don't use twitter, but I see you can block people, so that looks sufficient. Perhaps in the future we'll have our own "bots" who will block abusive people by criteria we set up, so even 1000 fake-account bots can be suppressed without ever seeing them?
www.laptopmag.com/articles/block-someone-twitter
Radix "the answer to bad spee is more good speech" I'm sorry, but have you ever been on the internet before?
👏👏👏this
"Nah its an alarm I set for myself" omg I pissed myself
1/3 of the votes on this video are thumbs down.
More like half now
So half the people have common sense 🤣
Dave Robinson - Probably even more thumbs down than being recorded... RUclips has a history of tampering with the votes if they lean conservative.
Dave Robinson That’s good!
Considering that Vox is an echo-chamber, that's an impressive ratio.
"Rich discussion will happen" had me laughing out loud. On the internet? That's a good joke. Carry on....
You’re saying that does not happen at all?
@@Ritaaw1 It does happen, but very rarely.
That's a text from my mom ~~~
That made me laugh way harder than it really should have
WRAP IT UP!
I like that Vox seems to be following the same tone trajectory as the Marvel movies - a consistent slide into comedy.
God I wish my mom was as nice as carlos’
i cri evri tiem
Speech is NOT violence, throwing things at people IS violence! Remember like you told your followers to do!!!??
there is different forms of violence that have been researched and well known today. Physical violence is not the only form...
Thomas Dupont Violence: behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
Chris Walker this isn’t about him
Remember when black students had to deal with white supremacists in school. Yes speech can harm.
@@alexsmith2910 It does not matter it may cause "harm" but it is not violence and clearly protected by our US Constitution as SPEECH!
I think they should only moderate content that poses clear danger, such as death threats, sexual abuse, etc...
Majed Hakawati agreed
but under who's laws do you function, and regional opinions differ
and those countries are facing the consequences...... sweden,britain,germany as people r afraid to speak against ideologies like islam so as not to offend 'sensitive adult babies'.
Andrew Smith no hate speech is difficult to nail down..... anti semitism should be allowed
Akashi Seijuro yes indeed I live in Britain and I get paranoid by even saying the word black close to a negative connotations...
You lost me when you called Comcast and Verizon neutral providers, they are not.
The Sensible Position gonna need you to explain this nonsense
Yep- CONcast
You need to go find your safe space. And stay.
Brilliant!
And if you intend to state your opinion online, expect others to do the same.
A hole at a truck stop men's bathroom.
God these comments on this comment. Also ditto
Stop harassing Trump. Your targeted attacks allowed by RUclips prove that they are not a GOP ally.
Grow up
White Smith amen god bless trump!!! Stop attacking the leader of the free world!!! We voted for him!! Stop offending us.
Crackerman07 guess no one got that memo when Obama was president? Lol
Kris Chillinsky thank you! Took the words right out of my mouth! Made my day. :)
@@peskylogicchillinsky6007Futube The right relentlessly harassed Obama when he was president....
@@cosmosnomad the left harrasses people for wearing a hat
Dayumm bro. Pretty high number of dislikes.
He's a snake.
He's a clown snake
A slimy hypocritical clown snake.
richard L not high enough
I wonder why a video featuring the target of an organized harassment campaign may have received a recent influx of negative responses . . .
"It's an alarm I set for myself" 😂😂😂 You are hilarious
Just delete Twitter, my friend. It lifts burdens and frees your soul.
Did just that. It feels like a weight was lifted off my chest.
Twitter was suppose to be for me and me only.
This guy's voice is great. So are his videos. When i see his mug on the cover of a Vox video on my feed, i click on it immediately. I'm never disappointed. That is all.
portzblitz love,love, LOVE him!
Same here
Same
then there is something wrong with u.He just calls for speech censorship on twitter and youtube( basically people who he disagrees with).
People who feel abused by 'mean words' on internet should either grow up or stop complaining instead of being adult babies and calling for censorship.
"we'd better hope it knows what it's doing" hits different in November 2022
It is freedom of speech when it's in favor of them.
There is a thing called BLOCKING PEOPLE. I've been using it since I started.
That’s a text from my mom🤣
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
Unless you're on the left.
@@GANTZ100pts then words are literally violence.
The same thing happened to Reddit, and that platform was actually BETTER thought out in this regard... The idea was that the community would regulate itself. It was a declaration of confidence towards the userbase, that their sense of responsibility would prevail statistically. With the voting system and ability to create new subreddits with new moderation principles at any time, the community was given all the tools it needed.
It worked decently well for a couple of years until Eternal September struck. It has only gone downhill since, and the no administration attempt has gone up in flames as the website attracts the worst parts of society, which aren't willing to stay away from the stupidities and barbarism that we thought western civilisation had overcome.
Depends on the sub. Some are mature and employ constructive criticism to prove a point or attack yours; other subs are just huge groups of immature males that upvote a dumb joke and downvote anyone that expresses some true insight. Other then flock to that reply and downvote it even more without actually understanding or even reading it...they just do what everyone does...
“Free speech experiment” has got to be the most concerning thing I’ve read all day.
The fact you would see it that way is all the more reason why we need it
1:45 - First time I've ever laughed at a Vox video
Nice political compass profile pic.
Right!? XD
Normally I like this guy but don't find him funny. That was the one exception to that.
The free speech listed in the constitution was put there specifically for unpopular or disliked speech. I don't agree with many of the things said on social media but I defend people's rights to say them. As long as it is now a direct call for action, then it's good to go. If you don't like the platform or your ideas aren't good enough to survive some criticism then don't post there. Maybe start a new platform that is more in tune with your ideas. We are still free to do that in this great country. I, myself, have been called a "troll" yet I belong to no organized online social community for deliberate disruption. I just had a different opinion than the ones who labeled me as a troll. In a since, they were harassing me. But I am grown and can deal with differences in opinion so I am not looking to have them banned. This all seems like a great deal of "my feelings got hurt so you have to go".
You are 100% correct my friend!
I think to some extent he's more specifically talking about targeted, repeated harassment that can lead to the recipient kinda feeling like garbage. Like if I said something that I thought was fine online, and then got 150 tweets at me calling me a dumb *insert slur* etc. I think I'd take his side. And yeah. Anyone can be harassed online. By anyone. So ban people who say awful slurs in bad contexts. Ban people who are infringing upon others rights with targeted harassment.
@@TRASHMONGR I respect your response, but I disagree in that bullying doesn't go away with silencing people. It just emboldens them. When it comes to the internet... Dude you might as well be living in a house made of doors and windows. Anyone can see you and you can see anyone. How are people to behave? You have to know the nature of beast. The beast is a manifestation of everything we do to fuck other people over, be it for the right or wrong reasons, but the beast is in all of us. You can't silence that. You can muster it up within yourself or be food for everyone else. That's how life works. That isn't going to change at all by telling people what they are and aren't allowed to say. Look into the history of people accepting censorship in order to feel protected if you need any historical context of my reasoning.
@@ronswanson1410 You have many great points, thank you for the discussion. I honestly agree with the fact you have to grow thick skin, and that it emboldens them when they're banned, silenced, etc. Because humans will be egged on when they get a reaction. And the only real way to have harassment stop is to just take it, don't budge. I just won't ever stand by when it crosses the line of targeting someone for an opinion/belief so I think we need some way to help it, although it may not be banning, I feel it's better than nothing. But I understand what you mean and why you disagree. Conversation is important in these trying times. Thanks.
@@TRASHMONGR No worries. Adults converse and children bicker. Thanks for being mature adult w me :).
I think you just want people to live happily. I can't fault that. I am only skeptical on how we achieve the mission because I want that too.
If it hurts your feelings, then leave. You are not special.
If you dont like the argument or the tweet just say it and counter it with another argument or tweet. It is a free speech platform not a social justice platform.
They don't have "another argument." They know they are wrong so that's why they want to censor.
It's not even that
Free speech also means things you don't like.... Not just free speech for you
Wow, this video just suddenly became so much more relevant given the last couple of days
Absolute freedom is an illusion.
Who draws the lines in regards to speech then?
It actually isn't.
Justin Namuco it actually is.
@@justinnamuco9096 very much is. We have laws. True freedom is do whatever you want no limits what so ever.
"Thats a text from my mom" that was great
The irony is palpable.
with what's been going on with twitter the last few months, this video is more important than ever.
Hoo boy lots of people here who don't understand the points brought up in the vid
This wasn't about harassment, he used his identity to try to ban a political adversary over some edgy jokes. I don't believe for a second that he ever felt in danger because of the supposed backlash over some jokes. He wanted to ban him over political views
Who’s watching after trump lost his twitter account?
if someone calls you something you don't like, lets just take "stupid" for example, you must have an argument to disprove them.
free speech does not mean freedom of consequence
yes it pretty much does...we only limit it in very extreme circumstances, or used to. the whole point of it is so dissenting voices can be heard without fear of repercussion
There are limits to the word free. There's a reason why you don't want to say n-word to a black person when you aren't black yourself.
People don't want to be called out when their words hurt someone else
you have the freedom to say the n-word to a black person. There is no "limit" on that in and of itself. It's hurtful, isn't advised and you'll sound racist, but you have the freedom to say that.
"With great power comes great responsibility" - Uncle Ben
That’s why the only responsible thing to do with speech is allow it to be free.
@Midorima Shintaro
Twitter shouldn’t be the ones who control speech though.
Just give each user the ability to hide tweets or entire profiles they don’t like. Done. Everyone wins.
You think it’s acceptable that Twitter banned Trump from the platform - nobody’s ALLOWED to read what he has to say?
☝️What is responsible about this?
@Midorima Shintaro
That’s not why they banned him off Twitter.
I just gave you the solution that doesn’t impede on anyone’s rights.
@Midorima Shintaro
A) your most recent comment has no real point or argument.
B) yes they can….
C) we’re talking about harassers not trolls - they are not the same thing
D) trump didn’t care about trolls or harassers.
E) what we’re taking about is:
if someone doesn’t like trumps tweets - Twitter shouldn’t ban him - Twitter should give users the ability to hide his tweets from their feed.
Let the choice be up to the individual- not the corporation.
F) if they can ban the POTUS - they can ban anyone - you believe that’s acceptable. 👍🏼
Freedom is a concept that should never be said or used on its own without the concept of RESPONSIBILITY also attached. No one on Twitter seems to want responsibility for what they say.
People say mean things, it's a part of life; get over it. I rather have free speech.
targeted harrassment based on someone's identity isn't just spouting "mean things". speech shouldn't be free if it's promoting violence against marginalised groups.
@@devni428 He never said to hurt him, so what violence was spread? And guess what Steven is a comedian, he makes fun of everyone get off your high horse
Love your videos. Keep going man!
COME TO BRAZIL
not you, Carlos
I really enjoy Strikethrough! Your videos are informative and entertaining. Thanks Carlos!
Even if Instagram has started gaining a lot of traction the last year, Facebook still remains the most complete social network. It's Instagram, Twitter, Tumblr, Linkedin, RUclips all in one. But still, it's also the most malevolent of them all...
It's a rough internet out there. If you can handle it, log off, but don't make it worse for everybody.
Freedom is the right to tell others what they do not want to hear.
-George Orwell
"We'd better hope it knows what it's doing". Hi from December 2022
This is both highly entertaining and immensely informative. Mr. Maza does a magnificent job. Well done to all. I look forward to much more.
My son cry’s when he wants something too! Sometimes I feel bad say awe and pick him up and sometimes I realize he is manipulating me to get what he wants.
This man is evil and so is the company.
But what is even more important is that his content has a good quality and I learn every time about something new.
You want the freedom to be awful without having to hear any negative feedback. Too bad, go away.
That's why they say "absolute freedom is an illusion". Those people are ridiculous.
Is VOX advocating censorship? O.o
"@SelenaGomez COME TO BRAZIL" I died
Please get rid of this guy, he's getting on my nerves and I sure am not the only one.
Make it so every account has to be verified and get rid of anonymous posting except in the case of whistleblowing (have some administrative oversight). You shut down bots and trolls who require anonymity. You shut down repeat accounts that only serve to further harassment. If people want to be terrible, they get to be, but at a similar social and possibly financial cost of being terrible in the real world.
So If don’t like what someone has to say so they don’t have a right to speak. Sweeeeet🤣🤣
Caleb Wagner I just pictured cartman lol
Kris Chillinsky 🤣🤣 lol I didn’t even mean it like that🤣
We need an island of hate. There miserable people can spew as much hate at each other they like! That way no ones feelings are hurt because everyone hates everyone. There fixed it!
*actually that exist, and that's 8chan....and we get terrorist attacks from it so.....* 💁
@@peacheswilliams4539 it's called the real world
"If you allow hate speech to flourish on your platform, you are making a platform for hate speech and that's NOT neutral"
Does this lady not know what NEUTRAL is?
Carlos: some people are saying mean things to me on the internet and I don't want them to be able to do that.
Yep, these comments are gonna turn into a dumpster fire, always on Carlos' videos tho
Salokin he is probably the most unlikeble from vox'es crew
Vali Rusev
He is
I like how when he mentioned the trolls and harrassers he mentioned all the alt-right groups and not, say, ANTIFA.
Why do Vox videos get this much dislikes? They're pretty great.
Because they are against free speach?
Because they have a distinctive liberal and leftist ideology (Which I totally concur), and have displayed such "biased" views on some of their videos. Far-right supporters have noticed this and dislike or post negative comments on every video that has to do with politics. Most of their videos show facts and truth, no matter what they believe in. They could talk a little more about Hillary's mistakes and acts, but I don't mind...
@mathmagician your pointing the finger at alot of people you realise
@mathmagician Did you watch the video? Its about twitter and basically the internet having speech restrictions and that they are fine with it and think its necessary? Nobody dislikes because they talk crap about trump, people don't want to be restricted. Even now in the comment section i have to watch what i say on videos i enjoy because depending on what you say, youtube shows you that it is posted, but in reality it is flagged under the "spam" section, and nobody will see it but you, until the creator of the video uplifts it from spam. Its really scary if you think about it.
Carlos is literally the only reason why I watch Vox
OK guys I’ve come up with an ingenious solution to this problem.
Remove Twitter.
You can thank me for my big brain ideas later
You are based
@@dysongus4613 u are based
Vox can you make a video on how erdogan is turning turkey back to Ottoman Empire. Thanks
empolyon2 he is not turning back to ottoman empire. He use the ottoman empire to get vote. İs he good person ? No. But there is missunderstand overhere.
Uncle Ruckus Erdoğan is not a good person. But its not want to make turkey ottoman empire. İts not that easy. There is more complicated things is Turkey. But i cant tell you with my bad english.
empolyon2 the ottoman empire back then had %70 ethnically non turk fighters.
Now that everyone is doing something else, the ottoman empire is merely a dream for turks. Will never happen.
I think its more about the current appeal of nationalism among electorates. like in turkey we are seeing increase in the right and the left, more nationalism and isolation (on the right say wilders in the PVV netherlands) with a stronger more emphasised response from the left as well (perhaps antifa in america shows that response eg). This polarisation is unhealthy and progressive liberal politics is fighting back as a result in some places, like in france and uk
tom whitehead alt right islam rules turkey now. Anyone with a different opinion is killed or threatened. Its become illegal to do and say anything that might hurt the akp’s image. If you’re Kurd you are called a terrorist, if you are turk you are called a terrorist supporter of feytullah gulen.
Basically a dictatorship that must be abolished or worse could come for turkey.
Just do what you always do, block them and continue to refuse debate.
Free speech means freedom to speak without restrictions
Geez this guy is trying really hard to get rid of speech he doesn’t like
A lot of bad ideas exist in the world. Get over it. Most people will be able to tell the difference. If there were no bad ideas, there could be no good ideas.
It blows my mind that people have seriously never heard of blocking or muting OR just turning off the device
It blows my mind that people have not heard that people can make multiple accounts and if you're a famous person, there's no point in blocking
I think the section at 4:50 is really balanced and good intentioned. I think the journalist did fantastic job approaching some of the toughest problems of the free speech debate and it certainly helped expand my own thoughts on speech and the what / why of what we socally condem as "bad speech"
if you let random people’s opinions on the internet bother you, you are part of the problem
Wah wah wah, twitter's dumb anyway dude
lol true
“He or she” yep, enbies are above the rules
Yup
Well duh
I keep expecting to hear that Twitter has closed up shop. They have no path to profitability, as costs keep climbing faster than revenue, and their user growth stagnates because why Tweet in the first place.
You can’t force people to say something or to not say something.
same exact thing happens on youtube…. though shockingly, youtube seems far more accepting of harassment. twitter lets this bs go, then panics and starts booting trolls for a week. by contrast youtube doesn't give a damn and lets it go on indefinitely.
México Is great I live here since 7 months so Carlos just come here you'll love it
Harassment is a blight on humanity.