I have both figures and find that DS-01 is far easier to pose than MP-52. The weight distribution is more balanced on DS-01. MP-52 is very top heavy and the weak knee ratchets keep him from holding a lot of easy poses. In my case, I also had issues with some paint chipping on MP-52, especially the the diecast chest and pylons. The painted plastic parts are fine. For DS-01, I think the lighter grey combined with the wing articulation gives him more presence; he's just more fun to look at.
The diecast being primarily in the upper torso and weak knees/ankles is what kept me away from the MP Starscream and go with the DS one. I'm want to pose my figures without fear of them collapsing from weak hardware. KFC Ditka is forever in A-stance due to the knees and humongous backpack. Agreed on the last point - the lighter paint scheme plus the wings and cleaner backpack is more preferable for my tastes.
I just wish there were a few mpre accesories of the Takara version that DS01 had, like ironically a screaming face. A screaming/yelling face is as intergral to Star Scream as a character as the smug face is to me. That as well as a few other things like the effect parts and flight stand still make me debate on getting MP52, next to the easier and more enjoyable transformation. But besides that I couod honestly see picking up both of these figures for both of their positives, as crazy as thst is financially
I like to transform my figures sometimes. I do not care for the blast effects or other accessories that much, although when it comes to flying alternative modes, I do like them to have a flight stand. However, most of all, I want a figure to look as cartoon accurate as possible in both modes and mainly for that reason I chose Crimson Wings. It just looks so much better.
I gotta say, the opening & closing music in your vids have some smooth beats. I really like the chill vibe this channel brings. Smart, thorough and relaxed.
While I share this sentiment that precisely why mp-52 got the size right. Starscream was never meant to be leader he was also meant to be someone who’s ambitions never quite panned out! Regardless of this I like Crimson Wings more, he’s the Starscream we always wanted
I got the DS because of the size and color. Also the right use of diecast in the figure. The red part on the back is also diecast. I got the TE01 optimus prime and I love that figure. I hope they keep making more figures
In regards to accuracy, DS gets the front shot the best, because of the thickness proportions of the thighs. The middle side view, Takara takes because of the curved cockpit shape. Proportions wise, DS nails it.
Well done. I like the point you made at the end about the two figures being designed to do two different things for the collector. And one may be better for an individual based not on quality, but how someone may handle their collection.
I can 100% confirm the red is painted on DS-01 IS painted. It's not bare plastic. When I lifted up the skirts on DS, I could see underneath where the red paint had worn off and revealed the plastic under the paint. Both figures are 100% painted.
You missed the arms on MP52 going all the way up but awesome comparison as always. My pick is MP52 even though mine has a couple cracks from the damn hound plastic they used.
Looking at the commentaries below, this is really 50/50 (just like your review) For me MP-52 nails it, his chest looks great and because of that I don’t mind the lack of wast swivel. Also I like to transform them from time to time. But in all honesty, nowether which one you chose, these are both great figures. This is a great time to be a Transformers fan 😎 Thanks and great vid, cheers 🍻
Great comparison. I almost had buyers remorse due to the DS coming out, but I think in the end the TT was the right choice for me. I do envy the lighter shade of the DS. TT looks rather dark, but that won't be a problem with thundercracker and skywarp. I went all in on the TT seekers. Coneheads are up for grabs tho.
Both figures do look amazing, and like you said, no matter which one you chose, it's still a win. I admire TT's paint quality and engineering and I enjoy DS's increased height and lighter colors.
I wish we could share pics, as I’d end the size debate immediately. The size of DS is more accurate, period, no debate, end of story. He’s no more than a half head shorter than Megatron and eye to eye with Soundwave. The size of shockwave is smaller than it should be. He’s the one who’s out of scale. Not the DS. Plus the coloring of MP-52 is just flat out off. He’s never looked they grey unless it was animation error or shadowing.
Dude, the colors and sizes are changing literally every 5 seconds in the cartoon. I was actually watching it yesterday, and there's just no point saying that one is bigger or smaller or darker or lighter than what it should be, because the cartoon was extremely inconsistent. Now something that DS does get right and TT doesn't is the shape of the back, but aside from that there isn't something consistent enough to give any of them the point.
I was thinking the same thing. It comes down to what figures one has in their collection and how true to the sunbow size chart one wants to try to be. I think DS is going to look good with Fans Toys Soundwave that's about to drop, looking forward to seeing them together!
What are you basing that on? Personal preference or the scale chart? If it's the latter then I also wish we could post images, as DS demonstrably oversized. As for sizes and colours changing in the show, that's why character models exist.
Very cool comparison video. Deformation all day long big scale difference also I like the lighter grey paint and hardware / strategic diecast placement. Its important action figure wise for a robot to be able to stand with zero issues due to feet & knees this should just be a standard to hold an action pose. Anything else is uncivilized LOL
@René Veentjer I'm cool with it just like I was cool with MakeToys upgrade to wings. I agree with you that it would be nice even if parts forming it was thought of 1st instead of a money grab
Great review and very fair in my opinion. I’ve order DS-01 as a result but have kept MP52 Thundercracker on pre order. Nice to have a foot in both camps. Thanks for your work
I much prefer the proportions of the Deformation Space. I did grab MP-52, but may check out a repaint of the Deformation Space mold. there are certainly things I like better on it over the Takara version. As always Sony, Excellent video. Always appreciated.
TakaraTomy should get to work on a Masterpiece G1 Starscream version 3.0 (aka version 4.0). MP-52 G1 Starscream ALMOST looks G1 cartoon model-accurate in both robot in jet modes. His shade of gray is too dark and it needs to be lighter. He looks G1 cartoon model accurate in robot mode in the front, but the back, not so much. I can say the same things about MP-52+ G1 Thundercracker and MP-52+ G1 Skywarp. And as for Deformation Space G1 Starscream, he ALMOST looks cartoon model-accurate in both jet and robot modes.
Imo! DS wins easily! Is $130 cheaper, it has better articulation, the more suitable paint apps, better proportions and it has better quality. The scale is a matter of preference. Since I think the Takara is a little too small, and the DS is a little too big. As always great video!
Great comparison, I went Deformation because I have the Yes Model with Panel lines in Jet mode. This guy will remain in bot mode. Either way have options is what makes this a win for us fans over all.
Great comparison. As much as I like the look of CW, seeing the transformation made me realize I am fine with having MP-52. MP-52s color isn't wrong per say but I do prefer the white to gray so much more. Both are great figures for any collection.
DS-01 Starscream was just recently for sale again for 70 friggin bucks. No contest, just get that one (or the Eagle-01 KO if you're really into the darker inaccurate palette of MP-52 for some reason).
cool comparison vid man, personally i feel like the accessories and gimmicks are a non factor, but i get that for some people its great to have all this bonus stuff
I believe the red on DS StarScream is painted with a thin layer of matte; the plastic is also red, but its a transparent plastic, so without the paint, one could see light somewhat shine through it. Also, I think the reason the official's chest looks good is because it's a faux cockpit, while the DS version incorporates the altmode's actual cockpit. Still, that transparent red plastic on the DS version makes me ponder that figures longevity.
I enjoyed the difficulties on the transformation, it’s fun and challenging to me as long as everything clips, tabs and pegs in well. I’d give DS-01 a win for posability, more solid and the price.
I'm somewhat surprised by this outcome, lots of folks seem partial to Crimson Wings. The only edges I give it over MP-52 are the lighter gray, which looks much more faithful to the cartoon, and the seemingly better QC, at least in general. Waist articulation doesn't matter to me, especially if it's going to come at the expense of the sculpt. Neither does the presence of a faux cockpit on MP-52. MP-52 is a tad too short in my eyes but that's accurate to the scale chart...Starscream is supposed to be a hair shorter than Shockwave and significantly shorter than both Megatron and Soundwave.
Great review. I decided to go with DS. Way cleaner look, better proportion and scale, better color, and the cost makes it an easy choice. I like the blast effects of TT but not worth it for the extra cost. Also, even though I don’t mind TT not having waist articulation, after watching other vids showing the false cockpit on his chest is kind of disappointing to me. Reminds me of MP-36 Megs chest not being the side of the gun like in the cartoon but worse.
I agree with everything votes you gave except the engineering one. IMHO that one is for DS because his engineers have managed to have a very small backpack respect the TT counterpart.
Gotta go with MP-52. Maketoys Meteor is my second choice, along with all the repaints and possibly retools... Crimson Wings is complicated to transform.
There is an accessory that they are selling around that is placed on the back of the DS-01 that hides everything and makes it much smoother and more impeccable.
Ever since i saw ds01 i knew i wanted him , his presence alone just makes it superior to mp52, for transformation i enjoy complex transformation i was a big fan of badcube because of that, i dont think ds is complex, it's just the tight tolerance make aggravating, i didn't get see your voting poll 🤣so my vote goes to ds01.
I found that with Crimson Wings, articulation and transformation goes a lot smoother if you take a screw driver and loosen the screws about an eighth of a turn wherever you find a tight joint. I loosened one elbows both shoulders and both screws in each wing arm. It makes a world of difference.
For me, the sculpt of MP-52 is just too rounded, it makes him look chubby and even though you can find that one scene on the one episode where he looks fat, I just don't feel like Starscream has a beer gut. I also hate MP-52's wings. The thick robot mode wings to hide the tail fins just bothers me every time I see it. And since the tail fins don't fold up or anything special it bothers me that they don't have the stripes. Crimson Wings just looks a lot cleaner to me in both modes. I kind of agrees on his height relative to other Takara MP figures but at the same time I think MP-52 is a little too short. He needed an extra half inch to scale properly and since that isn't an option all things considered Crimson Wings is my pick.
I have both and it just comes down to preferences. DS Transformation is less fun and it has less accessories, but I feel everything else is so much better. No Butt flap, thinner backpack profile, thumb and waist have the important articulation MP-52 is missing, size and main color is more G1 accurate, doesn't use an unnecessary fake cockpit chest, can stand much better (at the minor cost of no forward/back ankle tilt), less tiny thin parts that feel easily breakable, cooler looking body proportions, and much better price.
Just a note on the cartoon accuracy of the tail fin stripe in jet mode. You could kinda argue either way on that. A lot of the artwork outside of the show itself shows the red stripe on the tail, but in the actual cartoon, the stripe wasn't there (and this includes the 1986 movie). So it's kinda up for debate which is more accurate.
Deformation seems more like an idealized stand alone art piece drawn by a professional artist on a canvas he took his time on, while MP52 pursues cartoon accuracy with wild, reckless abandon. That is to say, the original 80's cel animation was wonky and goofy and mass produced at a blistering pace with animation errors and goofy contours and mistakes. And MP52 embodies that energy. Yet that wonkiness is less of a weakness and more of a strength when it is technically truer to the source material. If that makes any sense.
I think they are both gorgeous figures. I think the lighter color on the Deformation Space is better than on the MP-52, but I do feel they took it a bit TOO far, and it's a bit TOO light. The main thing that makes me prefer MP-52 is the fact that I actually enjoy the transformation. I only transform it back and forth maybe once or twice a year, but the way the wings fold into themselves and kind of absorb each other is just so cleverly done. I never, EVER want to transform the Deformation Space ever again though. So frustrating.
DS all the way on this. Still a thumbs up review. I don't really care for Starscream so it isn't something I am going to buy anyway but I think the jet and bot mode look way better. I like that he is taller and his proportions look more accurate to me. I am also really a snob when it comes to articulation and I don't even think it is close. Not only does he have the waist rotation but Takara's can't really move his legs backward at all. On top of that the ab crunch is superior on DS as is the head rotation because you don't get that unsightly head gap when he is looking up. Also his double-jointed arm bend is all the way verses fifteen degrees shy of that. In addition the turning of the engine in the back for the ankle rotation is important to for stability and that doesn't work for Takara. I do love blast affects and the cool gimmick under Starscreams chest but I feel like you double counted some of the accessories a bit much in the gimmicks category. I think to clearly define this category gimmicks should be built in. For example the Studios Hotrod with his visor hidden in his head. Opening doors and trunk on a car like X-Transbots Skids would also count for that. Opening headlights and lights built in would definitely be great gimmicks too. I think it is a great category, but I think accessories should not bleed over into this category and be double counted. Overall great review. Thanks for the input.
Crimson Wings has got a GREAT look, but good Lord I hated transforming it. I ended up selling him and getting the full set of three Takara Seekers, and I'm quite happy with them. They look great, pose good enough, and whenever I do end up transforming them I don't end up having a mental breakdown.
I’ve had MP-52 for a month but ordered DS and should have it in the next couple weeks. Looking forward to making my own comparisons, although I tend to agree with TMReviews more often than not.
@Hieu TV it’s by an eyelash but I like MP-52, ever so slightly better. There’s no shortage of things that DS does better, but I like the overall package and engineering of MP-52 better. Aesthetically you can’t go wrong with either, but there are a couple of things about DS I find very slightly less visually appealing, even taking into account the cleaner back on DS and the presence of a waist swivel. The matte paint is fine but not my preference. And I find that there is a very slight flat square look to DS compared to MP-52 that I like less. There is a depth to the shapes on MP-52’s torso that I like better. And MP-52 is a thousand times more fun to transform. I will point out that I don’t have any stability problems with MP-52 SS (or TC, for that matter either) so that’s a nonissue but YMMV.
@Hieu TV very much so. It’s not flimsy feeling in the slightest. However, DS is even more sturdy. It’s built like a brick shithouse and could probably double as a home security device. But I can shake the hell out of MP-52 and nothing moves around either.
@Hieu TV I don’t find it to be fun but in fairness I have not really done it so many times that I have perfected the order of operations. Which has very little to do with the instructions which are kind of crap. However, since you have mentioned your concern with your 10 year old being able to enjoy it, I feel like with DS, much like MP-9, if you learn to do all the steps just so in the proper order, it can be an enjoyable and worry free experience. For example, when my daughter was 10 I took the time to show her in painstaking detail how to transform MP-9 and she was able to do so perfectly every time with all four wheels touching the ground. She’s 20 now and, as you might expect, lost interest when she got to high school. On the other hand, when my son was 10 (he’s 13 now), half the time he couldn’t transform a Hasbro Deluxe without snapping off a tab or something. So what it really comes down to, is do you have the patience to learn to do everything on DS just so and do you have the ability to impart that knowledge to your son? And does he have the ability to learn it? If your son is more like my daughter and less like my son, I would go for DS. It’s damn near unbreakable.
With the size, proportions, color and price I would have gone with deformation space and been happy but I’m ok with the MP. Kinda wish I would have waited for the def space but hey it is what it is. Def not disappointed with the MP-52
Well, I know that taste is not discussed and the two figures are wonderful. But I found the Starscream DS-01 better in several aspects and in terms of transformation I don't intend to keep transforming it several times. It will stay in my collection quietly to admire it. Well, that's my choice and this video helped me a lot to make that choice. Thank you very much.
IMO the best comparison shot between the two is at 0:16. I prefer the sleeker looking Null Rays on the MP52, but not having the beer belly of sorts in the Crimson Wings as well as a far smaller backpack (if you can even claim he has one) pretty much shows you everything. As for toon accuracy... Ergh... The TT has the better red IMO, but the DS has a closer blue as well as the lower legs/feet and lower arms (TT's hands are quite a bit too small). TT nailed the Null Ray probably, and even the torso profile (which as stated I'm just not a fan of). The... whatever you want to call them behind his head are hysterically a draw as both seem to be too tall compared to the toon image.
Adoro o seu canal aqui no Brasil meu caro! Por favor, gostaria que trouxesse uma observação sobre o EG-01 Strascream. Adquiri ele e o achei fantástico. E o adquiri, por conta da escala que é equivalente. Outra coisa que eu queria saber muito. Tenho o Optimus Prime TE-01 e precisava saber qual é o trailer equivalente para ele.
I know, late comment, but if I had to guess, as I have the MS light of peace, but MP-44's trailer looks fantastic, I don't have MP-10, but I've heard it will work as well, but take that with a grain of salt as I'm only sure of MP-44. Hop this helps if you're still wondering.
The main thing to point out is that, what with these and Maketoys, there's a Starscream for everyone. People have their own view as to what the character should look like, based largely on their own recollections, so it's nice that DS caters to those who want a lighter, taller, beefier figure. Like what you like, buy what you want etc. With that said, MP-52 is objectively more accurate to the character model (at least until you get to the rear view, but neither is completely accurate in that regard). Height, proportions, colour... all are a closer match to the original animation model (note, not how he may have been drawn/coloured in that one episode/scene). That's what Takara tends to reference these days and they've done a great job with this. The thighs are a touch too long because they love those heroic proportions, but everything else is a closer match. DS is a good looking Starscream, and I was going to get it, but then I saw the early pics and it's just way too tall for my toon collection. No disrespect to anyone who prefers him, but for once I'm actually glad I changed my mind and went official.
MP-52 is leaps and bounds better, in my opinion. Actually, the KO 1:1 version of MP-52 is. It has very strong knee and ankle joints. The darker paint isn't as dark as it seems to be in pics and videos. In hand, it just looks great! Size is accurate. I don't know why people think he needs to be Megatron size.
Agreed on the size. He's smaller on the Sunbow size chart, and in most episodes they actually stay fairly consistent with him being a bit shorter than Megatron. So in terms of size he's pretty much perfect in my opinion. I think both versions are great figured but the only thing I prefer outright on the DS is the color. I do feel TT went a bit overboard with how dark they made the gray. Not that is really bothers me, and I actually think DS went a bit TOO light for me but that's nitpicking really. I will never, ever do that DS transformation again tho 🤣
Good comparison video. Personally I’m not a fan of the look and proportions of the Takara Starscream. Some gimmicks are great others not so much and yeah Takara did a better job with paint and transformation. Personally I’d go with Deformation Space though despite the transformation and pint issues if I had to choose.
The third party all the way!! Just the clean back is astounding! Never seen a clean back starscream before. That sold me! Way more cartoon accurate! Why can’t Takara get it right? Lol. And their figure the grey is too dark!
By the way, you are wrong about the paint in Crimson Wings, TMReviews. All the red parts have been painted. What you claim to be "matte plastic" is actually matte paint coat. If you try to scratch the surface you will see it yourself.
Because i said so, lol jk. Engineering is more about how well it hides everything and becomes a complete alt mode and robot mode. Transformation is more about fluidity and frustration level of converting it.
@@TMReviews by that logic the crimson wing should have won as it could hide all unessery junk hidden and it is also more show accurate at the back of the robot
Love the review. I prefer the defor but, I have scraped the red, even when I take my time. I like the proportion better and the slightly lighter shaded body including the head. However…I don’t own the tak, so I can’t say sh#t. I do however appreciate you taking the time to review both. I think in the months to come we’re all lucky we’re getting very very accurate versions of all 3 main seekers and possibly all 6. Who knows. Maybe all of them! It’s a good time to be a fan. I also appreciated the warning about ppl going ape sh#t over your opinion. I can’t stand the boards half the time. Too much negative and not enough positive!
I can only afford one figure and will be buying MP52. I can't justify spending this amount of money on a 3rd party figure and want the TT version. Plus i prefer the darker grey finish and the cartoon gimmicks and accessories.
I was like: Wow I love that DS version, but it's just too tall in scale to mp sound wave... then came the bigger acoustic wave.. problem solved LOL Now if they could just make a bigger 3p shockwave too.
I dont know how anyone could tolerate the Transformation on DS-01. For that reason ALONE I couldn't stomach him. many other reasons, but MP52 is where its at.
You added a gimmicks category which essentially gave MP-52 another point for the same reasons as accessories. You should have left that off, called it a tie and that would aligned better to your conclusion comments. By the way, I own both. I won’t be getting MP-52+ Skywarp or Thundercracker and will be waiting for the DS repaints of DS-01. Thanks for the review!
I would have to disagree on the cartoon accuracy. There are so many similarities with MP-52 compared to the cartoon. I don’t see (visually as an artist) how people think Crimson Wing is more accurate than MP-52. The “only” thing CW gets accurate are the red/white stripes on the blue fins and even that is not in the shape of an F
The DS transform and ingenier is better than the MP-52 because the MP-52 chest cabine is false and not part of the transformation but the pilot cabine in the DS is part of the transformation. Only that point is bring the DS figure better than Takara MP-52
One thing I feel DS isn't getting enough credit on in alt mode is the accuracy of his arms. If you look at the cartoon model of jet mode his arms are gone (you can see them disappearing when he transforms). Almost every G1 Starscream toy, besides the original G1 toy which partsformed the fists off, have had the blue forearms on the side of jet mode. Off the top of my head DS is the only one without the blue at all. A suggestion on the new Gimmick category. Obviously it is your channel so you make the final call, but I figured I'd give the feedback so you can decide if it has value or not. I understand what you intend, but I feel like you executed poorly on this video for the Gimmick category. I feel like you need to clearly differentiate the Accessories and Gimmicks. I can see that even without the Accessories Takara still wins the Gimmick category VERY easily, but watching the video it came off as Takara getting 2 points for having more Accessories to me.
"If I don't pick the one you prefer, then you win" *laughs in owning both* Jokes aside, I will be getting the Deformation Space Thundercracker and Skywarp over the MP versions. $280, no waste swivel!? THIS IS BAD COMEDY! Also just plane BAD
Great Comparo TM, well let's see...I am Never buying MP52, There LoL. Here's why...too organic looking(Rounded), too short/small, paint off, problematic joint, I will stop here. DS is how I see Starscream and that's it, yes the transformation is not fun, but I call it Engineering. Imagine Crimson Wings made by Takara fully painted with all the Assesories...now the votes be 80/20 in favor of Crimson Wings.
(my copy is on its way rn) i only own 2 mp style figures (and 10 studio series figures) transform element OP leader and Mp36 Megatron, OP leader is too easy and Megatron i accidentally broke 24 hours after unboxing it broke so it cant transform anymore :( i need this challenge in my life, i like studio series figures but those are WAY too easy, I WANNA FEEL THE PAIN IN MY FINGERSSSS >:3 (the first time transforming OP leader it took me like an hour and my fingers were all red and in pain lol, same with megatron but not as much)
I have both figures and find that DS-01 is far easier to pose than MP-52. The weight distribution is more balanced on DS-01. MP-52 is very top heavy and the weak knee ratchets keep him from holding a lot of easy poses. In my case, I also had issues with some paint chipping on MP-52, especially the the diecast chest and pylons. The painted plastic parts are fine. For DS-01, I think the lighter grey combined with the wing articulation gives him more presence; he's just more fun to look at.
Great take. I agree.
This is why they include the stand for MP 52! Not only posing but other factors too. 😏
The diecast being primarily in the upper torso and weak knees/ankles is what kept me away from the MP Starscream and go with the DS one. I'm want to pose my figures without fear of them collapsing from weak hardware. KFC Ditka is forever in A-stance due to the knees and humongous backpack. Agreed on the last point - the lighter paint scheme plus the wings and cleaner backpack is more preferable for my tastes.
Agreed, also real cockpit
I just wish there were a few mpre accesories of the Takara version that DS01 had, like ironically a screaming face. A screaming/yelling face is as intergral to Star Scream as a character as the smug face is to me. That as well as a few other things like the effect parts and flight stand still make me debate on getting MP52, next to the easier and more enjoyable transformation.
But besides that I couod honestly see picking up both of these figures for both of their positives, as crazy as thst is financially
I like to transform my figures sometimes. I do not care for the blast effects or other accessories that much, although when it comes to flying alternative modes, I do like them to have a flight stand. However, most of all, I want a figure to look as cartoon accurate as possible in both modes and mainly for that reason I chose Crimson Wings. It just looks so much better.
I gotta say, the opening & closing music in your vids have some smooth beats. I really like the chill vibe this channel brings. Smart, thorough and relaxed.
Thanks, that means a lot, and that is what I am going for
I actually like the DS size. If Starscream was going after Megs for the number one position he should be a bit more intimidating.
But that's why he never got there.
@@MaVeRiCk77 Thats a valid point lol
While I share this sentiment that precisely why mp-52 got the size right. Starscream was never meant to be leader he was also meant to be someone who’s ambitions never quite panned out! Regardless of this I like Crimson Wings more, he’s the Starscream we always wanted
@@cartertj04 valid argument that I can agree with.
Also he's literally an F-15 fighter jet that's like 60 feet long.
I got the DS because of the size and color.
Also the right use of diecast in the figure.
The red part on the back is also diecast.
I got the TE01 optimus prime and I love that figure. I hope they keep making more figures
I just got TE01 prime and DS this month, and so stoked! They are both awesome!
In regards to accuracy, DS gets the front shot the best, because of the thickness proportions of the thighs. The middle side view, Takara takes because of the curved cockpit shape. Proportions wise, DS nails it.
Don't forget the back..the DS back is much closer to diagrams. MP 52's back is just too far off from the drawings/animation.
Well done. I like the point you made at the end about the two figures being designed to do two different things for the collector. And one may be better for an individual based not on quality, but how someone may handle their collection.
Also I still can't decide which one I want... or do I stick with Maketoys...
They're both great. Either way you win.
"Everybody knows you never do a full returd." - Lazarus
Takara: "Let's full returd"
I can 100% confirm the red is painted on DS-01 IS painted. It's not bare plastic. When I lifted up the skirts on DS, I could see underneath where the red paint had worn off and revealed the plastic under the paint.
Both figures are 100% painted.
I still give TT the score because that red paint is rubbing off and scuffing
You missed the arms on MP52 going all the way up but awesome comparison as always. My pick is MP52 even though mine has a couple cracks from the damn hound plastic they used.
Thanks
Looking at the commentaries below, this is really 50/50 (just like your review)
For me MP-52 nails it, his chest looks great and because of that I don’t mind the lack of wast swivel. Also I like to transform them from time to time.
But in all honesty, nowether which one you chose, these are both great figures.
This is a great time to be a Transformers fan 😎
Thanks and great vid, cheers 🍻
Thanks for watching
Exactly! We are lucky to be collecting right now!
Great comparison. I almost had buyers remorse due to the DS coming out, but I think in the end the TT was the right choice for me. I do envy the lighter shade of the DS. TT looks rather dark, but that won't be a problem with thundercracker and skywarp. I went all in on the TT seekers. Coneheads are up for grabs tho.
Yeah, I agree with MP-52's gray looking too dark.
DS better sculpt & size.
i always thought the MP Seekers were undersized
Both figures do look amazing, and like you said, no matter which one you chose, it's still a win. I admire TT's paint quality and engineering and I enjoy DS's increased height and lighter colors.
Agreed
I wish we could share pics, as I’d end the size debate immediately. The size of DS is more accurate, period, no debate, end of story. He’s no more than a half head shorter than Megatron and eye to eye with Soundwave.
The size of shockwave is smaller than it should be. He’s the one who’s out of scale. Not the DS. Plus the coloring of MP-52 is just flat out off. He’s never looked they grey unless it was animation error or shadowing.
Dude, the colors and sizes are changing literally every 5 seconds in the cartoon. I was actually watching it yesterday, and there's just no point saying that one is bigger or smaller or darker or lighter than what it should be, because the cartoon was extremely inconsistent. Now something that DS does get right and TT doesn't is the shape of the back, but aside from that there isn't something consistent enough to give any of them the point.
Agreed.
I was thinking the same thing. It comes down to what figures one has in their collection and how true to the sunbow size chart one wants to try to be. I think DS is going to look good with Fans Toys Soundwave that's about to drop, looking forward to seeing them together!
@@scottrenfer2735 yes!! I’ve got that Soundwave on pre-order and I can’t wait to get ahold of him. Love me some Soundwave.
What are you basing that on? Personal preference or the scale chart? If it's the latter then I also wish we could post images, as DS demonstrably oversized.
As for sizes and colours changing in the show, that's why character models exist.
Great VS.🌟😎... Very close race. I just love the color of DS . Too much glossiness with TT but overall I prefer TT 😁
Ya it's definitely a contrast
A thorough comparison of two awesome versions of Starscream and their cool accessories!
Very cool comparison video. Deformation all day long big scale difference also I like the lighter grey paint and hardware / strategic diecast placement. Its important action figure wise for a robot to be able to stand with zero issues due to feet & knees this should just be a standard to hold an action pose. Anything else is uncivilized LOL
True, thanks for watching
DS nailed the look and made him bigger to scale better with Megatron. That just looks so much better to me.
There's an upgrade kit coming out for DS that cleans the back up even better. It's a parts forming kit, but it still looks amazing
Interesting, didn't know that
@@TMReviews I posted them on your FB for this video. I think you'll like it
Thanks
@@maui_idw7644 Can you please send the link for the upgrade kit? I don't have Facebook.
@René Veentjer I'm cool with it just like I was cool with MakeToys upgrade to wings. I agree with you that it would be nice even if parts forming it was thought of 1st instead of a money grab
Boom finally. Great video with great figures. Squozen!
😂
To make ds01 articulation and transformation more smooth, I used the traxxas shock oil.
Great review and very fair in my opinion. I’ve order DS-01 as a result but have kept MP52 Thundercracker on pre order. Nice to have a foot in both camps.
Thanks for your work
Thanks
Oh my gosh!! The DS01, handsdown! Gorgeous figure. The MP is way too dark. The translucent cockpit on DS also sold me.
i'M IN the market for a masterpiece Starscream and your video helped me decide. At this point in time, defintely gonna buy a DS Crimson Wings! ty
I much prefer the proportions of the Deformation Space. I did grab MP-52, but may check out a repaint of the Deformation Space mold. there are certainly things I like better on it over the Takara version.
As always Sony, Excellent video. Always appreciated.
I wish that MP52 had the look of Crimson Wings. I think MP52 takes the cake over Crimson Wings in every way except the look
TakaraTomy should get to work on a Masterpiece G1 Starscream version 3.0 (aka version 4.0). MP-52 G1 Starscream ALMOST looks G1 cartoon model-accurate in both robot in jet modes. His shade of gray is too dark and it needs to be lighter. He looks G1 cartoon model accurate in robot mode in the front, but the back, not so much. I can say the same things about MP-52+ G1 Thundercracker and MP-52+ G1 Skywarp. And as for Deformation Space G1 Starscream, he ALMOST looks cartoon model-accurate in both jet and robot modes.
Imo! DS wins easily! Is $130 cheaper, it has better articulation, the more suitable paint apps, better proportions and it has better quality. The scale is a matter of preference. Since I think the Takara is a little too small, and the DS is a little too big. As always great video!
Can't wait for DS Skywarp and/or MP 52+ KO Skywarp👍
Nooooo Tm. This isn right. This is sacriledge tm. Hahaha thanks for uploading these comparisons. Its always enjoyable to watch.
Thanks, lol
I love mp 52 best ..but they both look great
Great comparison, I went Deformation because I have the Yes Model with Panel lines in Jet mode. This guy will remain in bot mode. Either way have options is what makes this a win for us fans over all.
Thanks, ya good to have the option
Great comparison. As much as I like the look of CW, seeing the transformation made me realize I am fine with having MP-52. MP-52s color isn't wrong per say but I do prefer the white to gray so much more. Both are great figures for any collection.
They are both great but I am sticking with my MT one.
Would have been great to see them side by side with MP Megaton for size comparison but otherwise a great video and very detailed. Thanks
DS-01 Starscream was just recently for sale again for 70 friggin bucks. No contest, just get that one (or the Eagle-01 KO if you're really into the darker inaccurate palette of MP-52 for some reason).
cool comparison vid man, personally i feel like the accessories and gimmicks are a non factor, but i get that for some people its great to have all this bonus stuff
I believe the red on DS StarScream is painted with a thin layer of matte; the plastic is also red, but its a transparent plastic, so without the paint, one could see light somewhat shine through it. Also, I think the reason the official's chest looks good is because it's a faux cockpit, while the DS version incorporates the altmode's actual cockpit. Still, that transparent red plastic on the DS version makes me ponder that figures longevity.
If the red is painted I'm not a fan of the matte paint, it transfers to other surfaces too easily
I enjoyed the difficulties on the transformation, it’s fun and challenging to me as long as everything clips, tabs and pegs in well. I’d give DS-01 a win for posability, more solid and the price.
have you seen jobby video on ds 01?
its truly 'Bad Comedy'
Jobby is awesome
Great video! love the comparisons
Thanks man, I see you doing your thing as well
@@TMReviews Always! waiting on my MP52+ Thundercracker to come in. hope all is well
I'm somewhat surprised by this outcome, lots of folks seem partial to Crimson Wings. The only edges I give it over MP-52 are the lighter gray, which looks much more faithful to the cartoon, and the seemingly better QC, at least in general.
Waist articulation doesn't matter to me, especially if it's going to come at the expense of the sculpt. Neither does the presence of a faux cockpit on MP-52.
MP-52 is a tad too short in my eyes but that's accurate to the scale chart...Starscream is supposed to be a hair shorter than Shockwave and significantly shorter than both Megatron and Soundwave.
Great review. I decided to go with DS. Way cleaner look, better proportion and scale, better color, and the cost makes it an easy choice. I like the blast effects of TT but not worth it for the extra cost. Also, even though I don’t mind TT not having waist articulation, after watching other vids showing the false cockpit on his chest is kind of disappointing to me. Reminds me of MP-36 Megs chest not being the side of the gun like in the cartoon but worse.
I agree with everything votes you gave except the engineering one. IMHO that one is for DS because his engineers have managed to have a very small backpack respect the TT counterpart.
Thanks for watching and commenting, can't wait for your next artwork
Also the fact that the wings on DS are one solid piece, but on TT they are a plastic sandwich.
@@scottrenfer2735 yeah the wing sandwich is a fail, not a win
Gotta go with MP-52. Maketoys Meteor is my second choice, along with all the repaints and possibly retools...
Crimson Wings is complicated to transform.
There is an accessory that they are selling around that is placed on the back of the DS-01 that hides everything and makes it much smoother and more impeccable.
I have said this several times but, this was a GREAT year for Starscream, to me is just a shame that all the offerings are in different in size
Truth!
Ever since i saw ds01 i knew i wanted him , his presence alone just makes it superior to mp52, for transformation i enjoy complex transformation i was a big fan of badcube because of that, i dont think ds is complex, it's just the tight tolerance make aggravating, i didn't get see your voting poll 🤣so my vote goes to ds01.
I found that with Crimson Wings, articulation and transformation goes a lot smoother if you take a screw driver and loosen the screws about an eighth of a turn wherever you find a tight joint. I loosened one elbows both shoulders and both screws in each wing arm. It makes a world of difference.
I did attempt to loosen some screws but it didn't really change much, the paint is what is causing tolerance issues
For me, the sculpt of MP-52 is just too rounded, it makes him look chubby and even though you can find that one scene on the one episode where he looks fat, I just don't feel like Starscream has a beer gut.
I also hate MP-52's wings. The thick robot mode wings to hide the tail fins just bothers me every time I see it. And since the tail fins don't fold up or anything special it bothers me that they don't have the stripes.
Crimson Wings just looks a lot cleaner to me in both modes. I kind of agrees on his height relative to other Takara MP figures but at the same time I think MP-52 is a little too short. He needed an extra half inch to scale properly and since that isn't an option all things considered Crimson Wings is my pick.
Chest and hip skirts are painted 👍, if you pull up the front hip skirt you can see the paint coming off, I believe.
I have both and it just comes down to preferences. DS Transformation is less fun and it has less accessories, but I feel everything else is so much better. No Butt flap, thinner backpack profile, thumb and waist have the important articulation MP-52 is missing, size and main color is more G1 accurate, doesn't use an unnecessary fake cockpit chest, can stand much better (at the minor cost of no forward/back ankle tilt), less tiny thin parts that feel easily breakable, cooler looking body proportions, and much better price.
I'll take no swivel, over a nightmare of a transformation thank u
Just a note on the cartoon accuracy of the tail fin stripe in jet mode. You could kinda argue either way on that. A lot of the artwork outside of the show itself shows the red stripe on the tail, but in the actual cartoon, the stripe wasn't there (and this includes the 1986 movie). So it's kinda up for debate which is more accurate.
Agreed
Excellent comparison, thanks 👍👍
Thanks for watching
Deformation seems more like an idealized stand alone art piece drawn by a professional artist on a canvas he took his time on, while MP52 pursues cartoon accuracy with wild, reckless abandon. That is to say, the original 80's cel animation was wonky and goofy and mass produced at a blistering pace with animation errors and goofy contours and mistakes. And MP52 embodies that energy. Yet that wonkiness is less of a weakness and more of a strength when it is technically truer to the source material. If that makes any sense.
I would have been cool if they included a damaged leg from that scene where he’s chasing Springer and Arcee and gets stuck.
Does the Deformation Space comes in robot mode out of the box?
I think they are both gorgeous figures. I think the lighter color on the Deformation Space is better than on the MP-52, but I do feel they took it a bit TOO far, and it's a bit TOO light.
The main thing that makes me prefer MP-52 is the fact that I actually enjoy the transformation. I only transform it back and forth maybe once or twice a year, but the way the wings fold into themselves and kind of absorb each other is just so cleverly done.
I never, EVER want to transform the Deformation Space ever again though. So frustrating.
I own mp'52, but I wish the gray was lighter
Same and for me and wish 52 was a bit taller - I’ll have to display the seekers apart from the rest of the crew
DS all the way on this. Still a thumbs up review. I don't really care for Starscream so it isn't something I am going to buy anyway but I think the jet and bot mode look way better. I like that he is taller and his proportions look more accurate to me. I am also really a snob when it comes to articulation and I don't even think it is close. Not only does he have the waist rotation but Takara's can't really move his legs backward at all. On top of that the ab crunch is superior on DS as is the head rotation because you don't get that unsightly head gap when he is looking up. Also his double-jointed arm bend is all the way verses fifteen degrees shy of that. In addition the turning of the engine in the back for the ankle rotation is important to for stability and that doesn't work for Takara.
I do love blast affects and the cool gimmick under Starscreams chest but I feel like you double counted some of the accessories a bit much in the gimmicks category. I think to clearly define this category gimmicks should be built in. For example the Studios Hotrod with his visor hidden in his head. Opening doors and trunk on a car like X-Transbots Skids would also count for that. Opening headlights and lights built in would definitely be great gimmicks too. I think it is a great category, but I think accessories should not bleed over into this category and be double counted.
Overall great review. Thanks for the input.
Crimson Wings has got a GREAT look, but good Lord I hated transforming it. I ended up selling him and getting the full set of three Takara Seekers, and I'm quite happy with them. They look great, pose good enough, and whenever I do end up transforming them I don't end up having a mental breakdown.
It’s amazing that these small companies are hiring better talent than Takara!
I’ve had MP-52 for a month but ordered DS and should have it in the next couple weeks. Looking forward to making my own comparisons, although I tend to agree with TMReviews more often than not.
@Hieu TV it’s by an eyelash but I like MP-52, ever so slightly better. There’s no shortage of things that DS does better, but I like the overall package and engineering of MP-52 better. Aesthetically you can’t go wrong with either, but there are a couple of things about DS I find very slightly less visually appealing, even taking into account the cleaner back on DS and the presence of a waist swivel.
The matte paint is fine but not my preference. And I find that there is a very slight flat square look to DS compared to MP-52 that I like less. There is a depth to the shapes on MP-52’s torso that I like better. And MP-52 is a thousand times more fun to transform.
I will point out that I don’t have any stability problems with MP-52 SS (or TC, for that matter either) so that’s a nonissue but YMMV.
@Hieu TV very much so. It’s not flimsy feeling in the slightest. However, DS is even more sturdy. It’s built like a brick shithouse and could probably double as a home security device. But I can shake the hell out of MP-52 and nothing moves around either.
I feel the same as this description
@Hieu TV I don’t find it to be fun but in fairness I have not really done it so many times that I have perfected the order of operations. Which has very little to do with the instructions which are kind of crap.
However, since you have mentioned your concern with your 10 year old being able to enjoy it, I feel like with DS, much like MP-9, if you learn to do all the steps just so in the proper order, it can be an enjoyable and worry free experience. For example, when my daughter was 10 I took the time to show her in painstaking detail how to transform MP-9 and she was able to do so perfectly every time with all four wheels touching the ground. She’s 20 now and, as you might expect, lost interest when she got to high school. On the other hand, when my son was 10 (he’s 13 now), half the time he couldn’t transform a Hasbro Deluxe without snapping off a tab or something. So what it really comes down to, is do you have the patience to learn to do everything on DS just so and do you have the ability to impart that knowledge to your son? And does he have the ability to learn it? If your son is more like my daughter and less like my son, I would go for DS. It’s damn near unbreakable.
I have transformed DS about 5 times, I still don't enjoy it
With the size, proportions, color and price I would have gone with deformation space and been happy but I’m ok with the MP. Kinda wish I would have waited for the def space but hey it is what it is. Def not disappointed with the MP-52
Thanks for the comparison
Thanks for watching
Oddly enough… I love to transform but I love those complex ones and I have probably flipped my DS-01 back and forth upwards of 30 times just for fun.
Well, I know that taste is not discussed and the two figures are wonderful. But I found the Starscream DS-01 better in several aspects and in terms of transformation I don't intend to keep transforming it several times. It will stay in my collection quietly to admire it. Well, that's my choice and this video helped me a lot to make that choice. Thank you very much.
Thanks, glad I could help
IMO the best comparison shot between the two is at 0:16. I prefer the sleeker looking Null Rays on the MP52, but not having the beer belly of sorts in the Crimson Wings as well as a far smaller backpack (if you can even claim he has one) pretty much shows you everything.
As for toon accuracy... Ergh... The TT has the better red IMO, but the DS has a closer blue as well as the lower legs/feet and lower arms (TT's hands are quite a bit too small). TT nailed the Null Ray probably, and even the torso profile (which as stated I'm just not a fan of). The... whatever you want to call them behind his head are hysterically a draw as both seem to be too tall compared to the toon image.
Adoro o seu canal aqui no Brasil meu caro!
Por favor, gostaria que trouxesse uma observação sobre o EG-01 Strascream.
Adquiri ele e o achei fantástico. E o adquiri, por conta da escala que é equivalente.
Outra coisa que eu queria saber muito.
Tenho o Optimus Prime TE-01 e precisava saber qual é o trailer equivalente para ele.
I know, late comment, but if I had to guess, as I have the MS light of peace, but MP-44's trailer looks fantastic, I don't have MP-10, but I've heard it will work as well, but take that with a grain of salt as I'm only sure of MP-44. Hop this helps if you're still wondering.
The main thing to point out is that, what with these and Maketoys, there's a Starscream for everyone. People have their own view as to what the character should look like, based largely on their own recollections, so it's nice that DS caters to those who want a lighter, taller, beefier figure. Like what you like, buy what you want etc.
With that said, MP-52 is objectively more accurate to the character model (at least until you get to the rear view, but neither is completely accurate in that regard). Height, proportions, colour... all are a closer match to the original animation model (note, not how he may have been drawn/coloured in that one episode/scene). That's what Takara tends to reference these days and they've done a great job with this. The thighs are a touch too long because they love those heroic proportions, but everything else is a closer match.
DS is a good looking Starscream, and I was going to get it, but then I saw the early pics and it's just way too tall for my toon collection. No disrespect to anyone who prefers him, but for once I'm actually glad I changed my mind and went official.
Have you heard the rumors of Crimson Wings being a descarted prototype design of MP-52?
Think about it they look incredibly similar.
Doesn't seem like it, TT designs are always engineered with clearances
Great Review!! 👍
Thanks
MP-52 is leaps and bounds better, in my opinion. Actually, the KO 1:1 version of MP-52 is. It has very strong knee and ankle joints.
The darker paint isn't as dark as it seems to be in pics and videos. In hand, it just looks great!
Size is accurate. I don't know why people think he needs to be Megatron size.
Agreed on the size. He's smaller on the Sunbow size chart, and in most episodes they actually stay fairly consistent with him being a bit shorter than Megatron. So in terms of size he's pretty much perfect in my opinion. I think both versions are great figured but the only thing I prefer outright on the DS is the color. I do feel TT went a bit overboard with how dark they made the gray. Not that is really bothers me, and I actually think DS went a bit TOO light for me but that's nitpicking really.
I will never, ever do that DS transformation again tho 🤣
Good comparison video. Personally I’m not a fan of the look and proportions of the Takara Starscream. Some gimmicks are great others not so much and yeah Takara did a better job with paint and transformation. Personally I’d go with Deformation Space though despite the transformation and pint issues if I had to choose.
The third party all the way!! Just the clean back is astounding! Never seen a clean back starscream before. That sold me! Way more cartoon accurate! Why can’t Takara get it right? Lol. And their figure the grey is too dark!
By the way, you are wrong about the paint in Crimson Wings, TMReviews. All the red parts have been painted. What you claim to be "matte plastic" is actually matte paint coat. If you try to scratch the surface you will see it yourself.
That wouldn't change anything in the score because that paint is not very good, it rubs right off
Both are great figures, but the main factor for me is price. DS Starscream looks great and slightly heftier for half the price.
They both do their own thing... Really Good , I still prefer the Maketoys one.
It’s okay, but it’s head sculpt is just so off. I can’t get into him much.
Maketoys may be an older figure, but it still looks really good to me.
Ended up getting ds 01,much prefer the look over mp 52
Why is the win conditions for transformation and engineering the same ?
Because i said so, lol jk. Engineering is more about how well it hides everything and becomes a complete alt mode and robot mode. Transformation is more about fluidity and frustration level of converting it.
@@TMReviews by that logic the crimson wing should have won as it could hide all unessery junk hidden and it is also more show accurate at the back of the robot
Love the review. I prefer the defor but, I have scraped the red, even when I take my time. I like the proportion better and the slightly lighter shaded body including the head. However…I don’t own the tak, so I can’t say sh#t. I do however appreciate you taking the time to review both. I think in the months to come we’re all lucky we’re getting very very accurate versions of all 3 main seekers and possibly all 6. Who knows. Maybe all of them! It’s a good time to be a fan. I also appreciated the warning about ppl going ape sh#t over your opinion. I can’t stand the boards half the time. Too much negative and not enough positive!
I can only afford one figure and will be buying MP52. I can't justify spending this amount of money on a 3rd party figure and want the TT version. Plus i prefer the darker grey finish and the cartoon gimmicks and accessories.
crimson wings ..WIN .....
I was like: Wow I love that DS version, but it's just too tall in scale to mp sound wave... then came the bigger acoustic wave.. problem solved LOL
Now if they could just make a bigger 3p shockwave too.
I dont know how anyone could tolerate the Transformation on DS-01. For that reason ALONE I couldn't stomach him. many other reasons, but MP52 is where its at.
You added a gimmicks category which essentially gave MP-52 another point for the same reasons as accessories. You should have left that off, called it a tie and that would aligned better to your conclusion comments. By the way, I own both. I won’t be getting MP-52+ Skywarp or Thundercracker and will be waiting for the DS repaints of DS-01. Thanks for the review!
Thanks for saying that, I wanted to say the same thing.
paint, transformation and articulation is top. MP 52 for the WIN!
Lets be honest mp-52 looks like a hobbit next too ds-01 😂
I like complex transformation n not boring ones like hasbro/takara
I would have to disagree on the cartoon accuracy.
There are so many similarities with MP-52 compared to the cartoon.
I don’t see (visually as an artist) how people think Crimson Wing is more accurate than MP-52.
The “only” thing CW gets accurate are the red/white stripes on the blue fins and even that is not in the shape of an F
And those aren't always on the model either. I completely agree with you regarding the looks.
Agreed.
I have Deformations
The newer MP52 looks
More cartoon in jet and
Bot mode to me.And a
Easier transformation.
I like the lighter colors of the DS.
The DS transform and ingenier is better than the MP-52 because the MP-52 chest cabine is false and not part of the transformation but the pilot cabine in the DS is part of the transformation. Only that point is bring the DS figure better than Takara MP-52
One thing I feel DS isn't getting enough credit on in alt mode is the accuracy of his arms. If you look at the cartoon model of jet mode his arms are gone (you can see them disappearing when he transforms). Almost every G1 Starscream toy, besides the original G1 toy which partsformed the fists off, have had the blue forearms on the side of jet mode. Off the top of my head DS is the only one without the blue at all.
A suggestion on the new Gimmick category. Obviously it is your channel so you make the final call, but I figured I'd give the feedback so you can decide if it has value or not. I understand what you intend, but I feel like you executed poorly on this video for the Gimmick category. I feel like you need to clearly differentiate the Accessories and Gimmicks. I can see that even without the Accessories Takara still wins the Gimmick category VERY easily, but watching the video it came off as Takara getting 2 points for having more Accessories to me.
That Fans Toys Jetfire is just too big. Such a bummer.
Definetly going for mp52 if I can find him for £200 I just prefer it over DS
Good luck it’s going for over $275 now.
@@LetsGetitBoah Ooofff
Crimson wings kick mp starscream a*s*s
"If I don't pick the one you prefer, then you win"
*laughs in owning both*
Jokes aside, I will be getting the Deformation Space Thundercracker and Skywarp over the MP versions.
$280, no waste swivel!? THIS IS BAD COMEDY! Also just plane BAD
I'll buy the DS Crimson Wings and a F-15 1/32 or 1/48 model so I won't transform it.
Great Comparo TM, well let's see...I am Never buying MP52, There LoL. Here's why...too organic looking(Rounded), too short/small, paint off, problematic joint, I will stop here. DS is how I see Starscream and that's it, yes the transformation is not fun, but I call it Engineering. Imagine Crimson Wings made by Takara fully painted with all the Assesories...now the votes be 80/20 in favor of Crimson Wings.
(my copy is on its way rn) i only own 2 mp style figures (and 10 studio series figures) transform element OP leader and Mp36 Megatron, OP leader is too easy and Megatron i accidentally broke 24 hours after unboxing it broke so it cant transform anymore :( i need this challenge in my life, i like studio series figures but those are WAY too easy, I WANNA FEEL THE PAIN IN MY FINGERSSSS >:3 (the first time transforming OP leader it took me like an hour and my fingers were all red and in pain lol, same with megatron but not as much)