2024 Tesla Model 3 Review: Improved in almost every way

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  • Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
  • The 2024 Tesla Model 3 is a refreshed version of one of the UK's most popular electric cars. Similar in size to a BMW 3 Series or Audi A4, the Model 3 in some ways competes in a very traditional sector of the market. However, as a fully electric offering, it has for a long time been fairly unusual in this class.
    In recent years we've seen new electric competitors to the Model 3 emerge such as the Polestar 2, BYD Seal and VW ID.7, which is no doubt part of what prompted Tesla to update its midsize saloon.
    In this CarGurus UK review, Vicky Parrott tests the updated-for-2024 Tesla Model 3 to see if it still competes at the top of the class.
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  • @bloodstockvip2176
    @bloodstockvip2176 3 месяца назад +28

    They are good at what they do. I've a 2021 long range dual motor with upgraded power (acceleration boost) and drove round trip of 226 miles yesterday, all motorway 70mph cruise on and the odd squirt off roundabouts to get home with 4.44miles per kwh achieved and 28% battery left or nearly 90 miles range left in cool weather temps (early start and late home) with sentry on for 10 hours. They are a good electric option on a run and for a car that's now around £20k used, useable 300+ miles to a charge with sub 4 second 0 to 60 dash and higher top speed than this Facelift model 3 (came with Michelin pilot sport 4s as standard), worth a try especially if you can home charge on Octopus for a fiver a 'tank' overnight

  • @mcseventy6
    @mcseventy6 3 месяца назад +10

    Amazing car. Can't wait to get mine. I really liked the shots of the car along the winding roads. Very nicely done!

  • @FireWalkMusic
    @FireWalkMusic 3 месяца назад +9

    The lack of stalks was a deal breaker for me. Those turn signal buttons on the wheel are extremely annoying to use in tight roundabouts. I'd much rather pay more to get stalks. It's just so frustrating and distracting to use while turning the wheel at the same time. In order to develop muscle memory, you need to memorize where something is, but that's just impossible to do in this case because the buttons change position when you turn the wheel, so you end up looking down a lot... It's just really annoying.. it doesn't feel safe, and frankly, I'm surprised it's even legal because it can be just as distracting as using your phone in certain situations.

    • @alastairhatt360
      @alastairhatt360 2 месяца назад

      When you turn and the buttons are upside down the top arrow is the one you press to turn out of the round about. Muscle memory will work after a few goes. I drove the M3 and worked it out in 10 minutes and yes sometimes you do second guess it but for most of the time you just do it.

    • @FireWalkMusic
      @FireWalkMusic 2 месяца назад +3

      @@alastairhatt360 The right turn signal will also always point inwards. The problem is though: How do you know unless you look down? The main problem isn't that it's impossible to use, it's that it's a distraction, because it often forces you to take your eyes off the road.
      You can't hit a moving target without looking. That's not how muscle memory works. I can operate a stalk with my eyes closed because it's always in a fixed position so eventually you'll learn the exact movement needed. That's not the case with these buttons. They will always be at different locations depending on how much you need to turn the wheel, so It forces you to look down, and that's the main problem.
      Sure, you can get used to it, but it's still a distraction.
      This is also why Euro NCAP will now revoke Tesla's flawless 5 star safety rating and downgrade it to just 4 stars, because they claim that these new controls on the wheel are distracting and a safety hazard. Norwegian driving schools have already started banning the model 3 because they say it's unsafe, especially for students, and they can't have a car that causes students to fail their tests in roundabouts.
      I wouldn't be surprised if the EU eventually comes up with some regulation too, demanding physical stalks for turn signals, because this causes most people to just stop using their turn signals. The model 3 is by far the most popular tesla, and when enough people stop using turn signals, or pressing the wrong button, it eventually becomes a problem. There will likely be accidents related to this too, and regulators will eventually be forced to take action.

    • @michaeld5888
      @michaeld5888 2 дня назад +1

      Tesla always like to hide the frantic cost cutting to pay for that battery as a deliberate style choice. The die hard fans will then try to rationalise not having something that every other car has for very good reason as a forward thinking design decision. It is difficult to understand the connection why having an electric drive means all those drivers' aids such buttons, stalks and head up display suddenly become unnecessary. For a £40,000 car the rudimentary equipment level is especially a joke. The EV novelty is wearing off and difficult to see how they are going to sell these highly expensive stripped back basic vehicles in the future whose only attribute is being the best of the worst in electric.

    • @FireWalkMusic
      @FireWalkMusic 2 дня назад

      @@michaeld5888 They definitely try to mask the cost-cutting as "innovation". I had a 2019 model S for several years and was actually extremely happy with it! It had good range, was very quiet and much cheaper to run than a gasoline car. It had an extra dedicated instrument cluster, adjustable air suspension, parking sensors, fog lights, stalks, etc. The only thing I hated about that car was the useless camera-based auto-vipers (another cost-cutting measure Tesla implemented years ago).
      The newer cars don't even have ultrasonic parking sensors. They are instead relying soley on cameras now, just like the terrible auto wipers. Another cost-cutting measure. Remove any part you can to cut costs, and replace it with something that's not really usable and probably never will be.
      As a customer I would much rather pay extra to have a dedicated rain sensor, park assist that actually works, an instrument cluster and so on. I don't wan't to pay lots of money for a car that's going to annoy me every time I use it, especially when those annoyances are caused by them removing minor parts that really doesn't cost that much.

  • @Stug665
    @Stug665 29 дней назад

    Great review thank you. Daft question, why do you refer to 340 ish miles max range when Tesla website states a max 318 miles for the RWD? Have they revised the range down since it was released?

  • @NavarroOne
    @NavarroOne Месяц назад

    I’ve watched a ton of M3 reviews and drive an M3 pre-facelift.
    I’ve just subscribed to your channel as this is the most concise and insightful brief review I’ve seen. Well done

  • @feetup-jf7kq
    @feetup-jf7kq 3 месяца назад +5

    Good no nonsense review. I view a lot of these and note other reviewers have not had issues with the lack of stalks after time with the car. Another ace Tesla have is their regular OTA software and phone app updates. Their cars improve over time, when parked at home. Example, they just enabled matrix headlight function on the 2024 Model 3 and all vehicles range prediction, charging information and maps are receiving tweaks.

  • @mikkellordofdenmark5638
    @mikkellordofdenmark5638 13 дней назад

    Love your content 👌🏻 Your videos would be so much better if you included the metric system alongside miles. Just as an edit on the video. It would make the content more accessible and easier to understand for viewers who use kilometres. (Like the whole world) Thanks and love!

  • @pomerau
    @pomerau 3 месяца назад

    What's happened to the LFP bateries on 2WD £ and Y models I viewed via SDA Dan. Are they ditched again? Sound mostly more sensible and cobalt and nickel - free? but have some downsides. I cannot remember!
    Always like Vicky's reviews.

    • @TB-up4xi
      @TB-up4xi 3 месяца назад +1

      All RWD model 3's are still fitted with LFP batteries - in fact the entire drivetrain for both the RWD and LR is exactly the same including batteries, inverters, reduction gears and motors as the previous generation model 3. Also all RWD model Y's available outside of North America still have an LFP battery pack, Giga Berlin uses the BYD blade pack in their Model Y, elsewhere it's a CATL pack.

    • @pomerau
      @pomerau 3 месяца назад

      @@TB-up4xi Great info. Many thanks!

    • @jonathantaylor1998
      @jonathantaylor1998 3 месяца назад +2

      Positives of LFP packs:
      - no cobalt
      - lower cost
      - more stable chemistry
      - can be charged to 100% every time
      - last longer
      The only negative worth mentioning would be that they don't work quite as well in colder temperatures compared to LMC batteries.

  • @shadeofthemorningsun
    @shadeofthemorningsun 3 месяца назад +4

    nice looking car!!

  • @mrmawson2438
    @mrmawson2438 3 месяца назад +1

    I agree with you Vicky

  • @SnuglyDuck
    @SnuglyDuck 3 месяца назад +2

    For UK drivers - how much is insurance recently ?

    • @AndrewFaure1
      @AndrewFaure1 2 месяца назад

      That’s what I’m concerned with

  • @iixorb
    @iixorb 3 месяца назад +4

    For people who don’t indicate much (and there are plenty 🙄) the lack of stalks won’t be a big deal. But I’m an avid user of indictors…and in a BMW too. Who’d have thought!!😂! Going to be difficult to find the indicator button when you’re on a roundabout with several lanes and your indicator isn’t at the 9 o’clock position because the wheel is 167 degrees to the right, or whatever !! Replacing my company car in June but this may be a deal killer for me. I think rather than saving a few hundred dollars on production costs, the lack of stalks will put a lot of people off, and they’ll go elsewhere. 10 years ago, people were drooling all over anything ‘Tesla’. Now they’re just a bit too common, and there are plenty of other options.

    • @hadtobe4502
      @hadtobe4502 3 месяца назад +1

      And go figure, trying to save peanuts on indicator stalk, but then puts in LED strip and rear screen which is not needed.

    • @andreavenaa
      @andreavenaa 3 месяца назад

      They aren't going to win everyone over. A lot of people will actually really like it. I always hear the complaints of what some people want over the years but that's why there are other options out there.

  • @mitchhedberg4415
    @mitchhedberg4415 3 месяца назад +10

    No foglights, no stalks, no dice

    • @rogerstarkey5390
      @rogerstarkey5390 3 месяца назад +5

      Really searching for problems, eh?
      sad

    • @martinbailey2140
      @martinbailey2140 3 месяца назад +2

      Does he mean furry dice ?

    • @DerekDavis213
      @DerekDavis213 3 месяца назад

      @@rogerstarkey5390 Hey Roger, he didn't even mention the awe full Autopilot and FSD. Those are also easons for 'no dice'.

  • @omniconcepts_7275
    @omniconcepts_7275 3 месяца назад

    I totally agree with your sentiments.

  • @mowcowbell
    @mowcowbell 3 месяца назад

    Those narrow UK country roads would make me nervous. Guess I'm too used to wide midwestern USA roadways with wide emergency shoulders.

  • @wotireckon
    @wotireckon 3 месяца назад +9

    Just test drove one myself. Absolutely stunning.

    • @mitchhedberg4415
      @mitchhedberg4415 3 месяца назад +2

      It is like the most ghetto Corolla ever

    • @wemakecookie
      @wemakecookie 3 месяца назад

      ​@@mitchhedberg4415They're much nicer than Corollas lol

  • @DavidJones-mo9sj
    @DavidJones-mo9sj 3 месяца назад +1

    ugh, the speedo and everything in an ipad clued to the dash. Shame as the underpinning seems good

  • @mikemulrooney4824
    @mikemulrooney4824 3 месяца назад

    Good vid

  • @cokyrobes
    @cokyrobes 3 месяца назад +10

    Easily best buy in the industry right now - £40k for that much spec is insane value

  • @crazzyhorse5038
    @crazzyhorse5038 3 месяца назад

    I live out in the country and drive on a lot of dirt roads. What happens when your Tesla cameras get covered in dust. My truck backup camera hardly ever has a clear view because it's covered in dust. I wouldn't want to have to clean multiple cameras multiple times a day for the car to work properly.

    • @dvader3263
      @dvader3263 3 месяца назад

      Well then, if one can live with a dirty back-up camera on a truck, one can also live with dirty side-view cameras on a car.

    • @crazzyhorse5038
      @crazzyhorse5038 3 месяца назад

      @@dvader3263 I am more concerned about how it may affect the vehicles performance not my being able to see with the cameras. Really don't want to see warnings telling me to clean the cameras. I learned to use mirrors not only for my vehicle but for backing tailers when I was about 8 years old driving while hauling hay.

  • @colinhankers917
    @colinhankers917 3 месяца назад +1

    Bring it on motorbility please best in business apart from insurance prices friend of mine said £1,350 ouch

    • @rogerstarkey5390
      @rogerstarkey5390 3 месяца назад

      Your friend needs to shop around more

    • @barrydoherty636
      @barrydoherty636 3 месяца назад

      @@rogerstarkey5390 I’ve shopped around, they are the prices on a Tesla.

  • @tdtesla
    @tdtesla 3 месяца назад +1

    The best is no part. Test drove the new model 3 - currently own 2021 model 3 - took me no time at all to get used to driving without stalks.

  • @rogerstarkey5390
    @rogerstarkey5390 3 месяца назад +3

    WHY no voice control review?
    It's kind of the main point

  • @karengeyman5562
    @karengeyman5562 26 дней назад

    Insurance for me was almost $1,000 difference for model 3 over the Y.

  • @alunjones2550
    @alunjones2550 3 месяца назад +4

    No fog lights is a serious omission.

    • @alastairhatt360
      @alastairhatt360 2 месяца назад

      The fog lights are not used by 99% of people and the new Matrix headlights will do the same anyway with the upgrades they are getting.

    • @alunjones2550
      @alunjones2550 2 месяца назад

      @@alastairhatt360 Hi. Can you show me the data that indicates 99% of people don't use fog lights, please.
      Fog lights are specifically mounted low on a car to increase the angle of incidence between the emitted light and the driver's vision. This helps reduce the reflected light seen by the driver and allow better visibility. The angle of incidence is far less between the headlights and the drivers eyes and therefore the driver will see far more light reflected back from the fog.
      Looking at comments in many forums, there seems to be quite a lot of people who don't like matrix LED's.

    • @alunjones2550
      @alunjones2550 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@alastairhatt360 Hi. Can you please point me in the direction of the data that indicates 99% of people don't use fog lights. Thanks.
      Fog lights are set low on a car to increase the angle of incidence between the emitted light and the drivers eyes. Fog is highly reflective and this helps minimise the reflection, giving the driver greater visibility.
      The angle of incidence between the headlights and the drivers eyes is relatively low, thereby increasing reflection in foggy conditions.
      Looking at various forums, quite a number of drivers don't seem to like matrix LED's in foggy conditions and would like to rejoin the 1% who think fog lights are extremely effective.

    • @alunjones2550
      @alunjones2550 2 месяца назад +2

      @@alastairhatt360 Hi. Can you please point me in the direction of the data that indicates 99% of people don't use fog lights? Thanks.
      Fog lights are set low on a car to increase the angle of incidence between the emitted light and the driver’s eyes. Fog is highly reflective and this helps minimise the reflection, giving the driver greater visibility.
      The angle of incidence between the headlights and the driver’s eyes is relatively low, thereby increasing reflection in foggy conditions.
      Looking at various forums, quite a number of drivers don't seem to like matrix LED's in foggy conditions and would like to re-join the 1% who think fog lights are extremely effective.

  • @conogrady9254
    @conogrady9254 3 месяца назад

    You've STALKED me into it!😏💖

  • @mikeymyke
    @mikeymyke 3 месяца назад

    Why no Apple Carplay?

  • @tobybushnell
    @tobybushnell 3 месяца назад +8

    No stalks, no deal. Also ludicrous insurance costs on Teslas 👎

  • @user-md7fn8vi3o
    @user-md7fn8vi3o 3 месяца назад +1

    Which car should I get a model3 or a model y if I want everyday driving luxury or should we go for a German competitor, please could you recommend us we are open to max 55k salary.

    • @Uchejnr
      @Uchejnr 3 месяца назад +2

      Definitely test drive any you are interested in. You won’t get a better overall experience owning an EV than with a Tesla. If you need extra space then get the model Y, if not model 3 definitely

    • @mitchhedberg4415
      @mitchhedberg4415 3 месяца назад +3

      Tesla is the opposite of luxury, it is spartan and cheap

    • @YSA920
      @YSA920 3 месяца назад +1

      The Model 3 is a much sharper, much nicer drive than the Model Y.

    • @TB-up4xi
      @TB-up4xi 3 месяца назад

      @@mitchhedberg4415 I swapped a 2019 Audi A4 45TFSI for a 2023 model 3 - The model 3 is hands down a better car to drive.

    • @morufudeen
      @morufudeen 3 месяца назад +5

      @@mitchhedberg4415 13 speaker system with subwoofer and 2 amps. All seats heated. Steering wheel heated. Adaptive cruise control. Auto wipers. All of these standard equipment. I'll take this kind of spartan and cheap any day

  • @user-by9qd4wv7o
    @user-by9qd4wv7o Месяц назад

    Looks like the new Buicks!

  • @henners88
    @henners88 3 месяца назад +2

    Its a nice car and one of the only negatives is the lack of indicator stalks. The buttons are a poor alternative especially on roundabouts when indicating left on 3/4 lock, but this is the first review I have seen where it has been suggested it probably came about due to savng cost. That makes sense. A nice car nonetheless and great review.

    • @borinvlogs
      @borinvlogs 3 месяца назад

      Elon: the best part is no part.

    • @bgaviator
      @bgaviator 3 месяца назад +2

      How much money does a freaking plastic stalk really cost a car company? If Tesla can’t afford something like that then….they have problems

  • @Brian-om2hh
    @Brian-om2hh 3 месяца назад +1

    No rear hatch, so it loses out on practicality for me.....

    • @markdisley4828
      @markdisley4828 3 месяца назад +1

      To be fair though it is a saloon. Maybe look at the Y if a hatch is essential...

  • @tdome3000
    @tdome3000 3 месяца назад

    5:10 It's 6.1 s 0-62, not 5.8.

    • @borinvlogs
      @borinvlogs 3 месяца назад

      3.1s in mine. leave this in the rear view every time

  • @omeb2412
    @omeb2412 3 месяца назад

    A „Performance“ called Ludicrous is coming, Head of Investor Relations spilled the beans, as well as a workshop manual with description also found… under 3s 0-62

  • @Kelveron
    @Kelveron 3 месяца назад +1

    Vicky is a very good reviewer, but she is letting off the car too easily with Tesla's persistence with putting nearly all functions on a screen. The screen gear change and no stalk indicators is just utter nonsense....that's not to mention other pre-facelift nonsense like using the screen for things like opening the glovebox etc.

  • @syedjaffry1398
    @syedjaffry1398 3 месяца назад +1

    I have the new model 3 and rolled over from the old model 3. New features are over hyped. Cabin noise is not much quieter. Suspension is not as soft. Indicator buttons get sticky and don’t work sometimes

  • @vladimirdoyle3934
    @vladimirdoyle3934 3 месяца назад

    Honestly it's a model s with updated model 3 design. Hopefully they get rid of the s and x and replace them with CT and Roadster. Have the project redwood be the entry model. Price it at 25k and top tier be 35k-40k. They would make more money this way.

  • @tl338
    @tl338 Месяц назад +1

    I can’t with a car with no speedometer in front. Avoiding Tesla until they have actual car engineers (and not software engineers) developing the car

  • @sirjohng1
    @sirjohng1 3 месяца назад

    The previous models must have been pretty bad then??

  • @smartdoguk
    @smartdoguk 3 месяца назад

    In London 20 mph

  • @jameschapman4824
    @jameschapman4824 3 месяца назад +3

    IMHO the Supercharger network is Tesla's ace. However with them opening up to non Tesla cars this ace may slip away and make potential buyers start to look to the BMW and BYD models in the future but as of now it still makes a very good case for it's self.

    • @groovekay3858
      @groovekay3858 3 месяца назад +2

      Until those cars compete is same price with Tesla it’s not going to happen anytime soon. And it works both ways. Other car brands customers charging at Tesla supercharger can make a switch to Tesla also ( free advertising)

    • @ciybersal3499
      @ciybersal3499 3 месяца назад

      ​@@groovekay3858BYD already outsells Tesla so Tesla needs to complete with BYD on price

    • @BALANCEDPORTFOLIO
      @BALANCEDPORTFOLIO 3 месяца назад +1

      Tesla has all the data ... In the UK Tesla is only opening a few underused chargers to non-Teslas. I guess this will change as the pace of supercharger expansion is accelerating

  • @georgeginsburg545
    @georgeginsburg545 3 месяца назад

    i love the car but the range of the affordable one is too low.

  • @DerekDavis213
    @DerekDavis213 3 месяца назад

    In USA, anyone with a nice car like Tesla etc would not drive on rough dirt and gravel, as in the video at 0:26 !

  • @user-wk9rh3tr8l
    @user-wk9rh3tr8l 3 месяца назад

    Why is the 2024 Model 3 Long Range so behind schedule? I have been waiting 3 months and nothing-nobody can tell you anything. Other companies can tell you every step of production and delivery process, but not Tesla-their customer service after your order really sucks.

  • @becheriksen
    @becheriksen 3 месяца назад

    I think all of these ev reviewers must get paid for overtaking these cars😂

  • @newbeginnings8566
    @newbeginnings8566 3 месяца назад +2

    Best value is the half price version available after only 18 months...

    • @jusidit
      @jusidit 3 месяца назад +1

      and zero, yes 0 sevicing costs.

    • @gap9992
      @gap9992 3 месяца назад

      Where do you get those? a 2019 with 60,000 miles is still more than £20k. Or did I misunderstand your point?

    • @mowcowbell
      @mowcowbell 3 месяца назад

      @@gap9992 Hertz is selling quite a few of their fleet Model 3's and Y's here in the States. A Model 3 Base RWD with 19K miles on the odometer is $28K USD.

  • @Elaba_
    @Elaba_ 3 месяца назад +1

    It should be sold in Belgium for 39.990 euro so I can get the incentive of 5.000 euro. Check the US prices. It's not fair.

    • @mowcowbell
      @mowcowbell 3 месяца назад

      I can pickup a new Model Y Long Range delivered to the Tesla Store in Oklahoma City for USD $41K. It's a great deal over here, even less expensive than a Model 3 Long Range.

    • @Elaba_
      @Elaba_ 3 месяца назад

      Meanwhile it's being sold in Belgium for 39.990 euro. After the incentive you can get it for 34.990 euro.

  • @DiamondHead2010
    @DiamondHead2010 3 месяца назад +1

    Test drove one
    Felt like being in a new office cubicle
    Suspension softer, handling less sporty
    Personal preference but the seats were less comfortable, cooling seats were fun, fans a bit loud

  • @ruhithudakara2802
    @ruhithudakara2802 3 месяца назад

    her driving makes me nervous, so close to the edge 😬😬

  • @Ali_Leitch
    @Ali_Leitch 3 месяца назад +2

    Where is Rebecca?

    • @Silver-st2zq
      @Silver-st2zq 3 месяца назад

      Now doing car reviews for Motorpoint on You Tube.

  • @ciybersal3499
    @ciybersal3499 3 месяца назад

    BYD Seal

  • @davoud6487
    @davoud6487 3 месяца назад

    *Promosm*

  • @allendavid4139
    @allendavid4139 3 месяца назад +18

    Insurance costs make this a bad buy at the moment

  • @w3072
    @w3072 3 месяца назад

    wow crap roads

  • @dpn1604
    @dpn1604 3 месяца назад +1

    I'd rather get an older petrol at a fraction of the price of this, as opposed to try and save the planet by making Elon Musk a trillionaire!

  • @MattHealey.
    @MattHealey. 3 месяца назад +1

    Still a bev so not a chance even without the huge insurance, catastrophic depreciation
    And all Tesla’s in Edinburgh are driven by bellends

    • @lharris828
      @lharris828 3 месяца назад +1

      One Tesla, two Teslas 😉

    • @borinvlogs
      @borinvlogs 3 месяца назад +2

      cos you are poor whereas other many people see it as the bargain of the century and best car for value

    • @BALANCEDPORTFOLIO
      @BALANCEDPORTFOLIO 3 месяца назад

      Depreciation only matters if you want to sell it. Insurance probably reflects the ferrari-like performance

  • @abelisraelcruzayuso4682
    @abelisraelcruzayuso4682 3 месяца назад +1

    Fed Up with Chinese-looking cars…

    • @rogerstarkey5390
      @rogerstarkey5390 3 месяца назад +2

      couldn't be less "Chinese looking"
      No Bling, No superfluous body sculpture.
      Stop making statements just for effect

    • @abelisraelcruzayuso4682
      @abelisraelcruzayuso4682 3 месяца назад

      @@rogerstarkey5390 Well, go out of your house some more, and have a look at the rest of Chinese cars coming here. Stop making statements thinking the others don't have eyes in their face, and go to Specsavers.

  • @GarryMcGovern
    @GarryMcGovern 3 месяца назад

    Aaaaahhhh!!! WHY did you say 'frunk'? God I hate the bloody word - we were quite happy with the boots in the fronts of our Beetles and 911's for decades, but no, Musk has to come along and make up a word for it, and the rest of the world has to bow down and follow him, as if he is the one who invented the concept! 😡

    • @TB-up4xi
      @TB-up4xi 3 месяца назад +3

      That's because up until now there haven't been any cars with 2 trunks (or boots) - The Beetle, 911's, Corsairs, Fiat 500's etc all only ever had 1 trunk / boot and it was in the front, this is to distinguish between the front and rear trunk / boot, i.e. you can no longer just say stick it in the trunk / boot - there are legitimately 2 ...one rear trunk/boot and a front frunk/froot on the same car.