Yes, most countries use blue for conservative and red for liberal. People in the States where I live get confused about where someone stands. Red could be Republican (Pub) or socialist (to the left of blue). IMO, it’s Left - Red, Centrist - Blue, Right - Red. Yes, the color has to do with party affiliations. The Conservatives call the Democrats leftists, but most Democrats are very middle of the road.
@@redsamson5185 Americans get very confused about Australian politics. Our main 'right wing' party is called the Liberal party and uses blue. In America, liberals are often associated with the left of politics as are is blue. As you said though red is usually the main left party while blue is the right. The US is the annomily to this.
Usually I'm one of the "fun comments", but this time great video! Keeping to the facts, not being openly biased towards either side, going through most factors and how could have they affected the voting outcomes without applying your own wishes and opinions on them. One of the best vids on the topic I've seen. Great job!
@@joshadams8761 he said the election "sadly turned out this way" which means he didnt vote conservative, i'm 90% sure he voted labour because of the context of his comment about young people.
@@oniichanmk7346 I was literally about to comment this as well, he had full neutrality until that veryyyyy end bit where he dropped the 'sadly' bombshell, then it was pretty clear aha
@@oniichanmk7346 Also sorry but do you have a timestamp for the comment about young people part? I just want to see if it was the one I was thinking you mean
What's with people in the comments saying "I would vote Boris/Corbyn"? That's not how elections work here. You vote for an MP to represent your area in parliament, not vote directly for a prime minister
It’s the the same thing here in Canada. I don’t really like the system but you can still kinda indirectly vote for a PM so that’s how I think of it when people make comments like that.
Yeah, I find that interesting. As an american I don't really understand it, because I can like a republican senator or representative and still hate Trump or Mitch McConnell lol.
I agree. It's the main reason the Tories were able to take the north, as the traditional northern working class voters also mainly voted in favour of Brexit.
@@Miniman-hq1zn Indeed. The truth is, there is very, very little in mainline conservatism for the working class. The only real selling points the tories have at this point is 1) they'll do brexit and 2) they aren't pandering to virulently anti-white and anti-british groups. If I were a conservative, I'd thank whatever I hold holy every single day that my enemies were and are weird antiwhite liberals and not some kind of serious political opposition. If the tories went up against a proper pro-worker populist party from either the left or the right it'd be all over for them. Picture bojo trying to debate someone like Oswald Mosley for example. It wouldn't even be a contest lol
14:55- C2 means skilled working class. People who work in manual jobs that require a good level of technical knowledge and education (e.g plumbers, electricians, foremen, etc).
@@ajwasthere Why though? These classes are a pretty universal thing among societies, as well as the differences between them in political choices. Apart from maybe highly heterogeneous societies, in which wealth would take heed to race/identity
We just don't think of them in those types of terms. They are very formal. In America we are more just the The Rich, Middle-Class, and Working Class, but we don't define them.
A - upper middle class - 4% of population B - middle class - 23% C1 - lower middle class - 28% C2 - skilled working class - 20% D - working class - 15% E - unemployed - 10%
buster117 unemployment is defined here as "non-working," so includes pensioners (if they're reliant on the state pension) and casual workers with no fixed employment.
buster117 that definition is true if you’re looking at unemployment statistics, but if you’re sorting into broad economic classes it does make some sense to group unemployed people with underemployed, low income retirees and casual workers as they tend to have similar levels of precarity and purchasing power
Hopefully this election taught Labour that social media doesn’t win elections, so hopefully next election my whole Instagram won’t be plastered with vOtE lAbOuR
Social media does win elections. The right are just far better at it. Conservative memes were shared at 4x the rate of left wing ones in the election. The difference though left wing memes are too "smart" and "witty" and are aimed at youth and educated (WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS), Conservative party memes are "dumb" and aimed at old people. Look up Topham Gurien who do Boris' social media campaigning. They literally state they make dumb and "bad" memes because they know boomers are idiots and will share blatant stupid misinformation and that left wing memes require actual intelligence to get which means low information voters won't share them.
Interesting to note is that Burnley, one of the seats that switched from Labour to Conservative, now has a Conservative MP which is the first time that has happened since 1910
@@ftumschk its pretty simple, there was a vote, people voted, there was an overwhelming majority for a party, and the losers wont stop crying about it. Maybe you should take more time to understand why people voted the way they do as clearly if you dont get it your missing a lot of information. Even the working class North got it smh
@@Sparrowash97 I fully understand why people voted as they did, thanks. They were conned over many decades to believe that the EU was the root of all their problems, when in fact it was their own Governments. EU policy has very little influence on the everyday lives of ordinary people, yet demonstrable liars like Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson persuaded them otherwise. A vote won on the basis of misinformation is not a vote at all.
ftumschk and actually you demonstrate in your ignorance that you know nothing of the reason people voted to leave. More than anything is it because the British want independence from a higher governing body, we want to take back control of our laws and legislations and remove the unelected bureaucrats from involving themselves in our country. But if course you do not see that because you have been lied and mislead by anti democratic europhiles 🤦♂️🤷♂️
ftumschk you are literally a stereotype of the type of person the electorate decided they had had enough of in this election. You know nothing and yet insult other people’s intelligence because they hold different opinions to you.
6:38 i thinl, the reason why we consider younger people to be more "left-leaning" is because they are usually more progressive. And when their more progressive thoughts become the norm with time, they will get conservative. An example would be gay marriage. 20 years ago, if you were in favour of it, you were propably quite progressive, now it is also possible for conservatis to be in favour of it.
@@Voidwurm1701 how did it? Conservatives love to play identity politics. Including our PM. It's just White people who are not afforded the same collectivsation of identity which every other group is allowed.
"if you live in a city, you are more left leaning and if you don't you are more right leaning" in brazil it is the absolute opposite, the bigger the urban center, the more right leaning it is
@@shadowfan982 well, people in cities worry more about safety because of that, so maybe in part. Also, the education level is higher and people are more informed so they are less vulnerable to populism
@@younes6286 The first attestestation of the quote is from Anselme Polycarpe Batbie (1875). He attributes it to Edmund Burke (1729-1797), but it doesn't appear in any of Burke's published writings.
I voted Conservative for the first time in my life last election (I am 52). I have voted SDP, Labour, Green and LibDem (I think) in general elections and local elections. I have voted Brexit and possibly UKIP in the European elections. I would not have believed I would vote Conservative when I was young.
@@particleman5893 Largely Brexit, partly because I thought Labour's economic policies would take us back to the 70s, partly because I thought Corbyn was incompetent and too left wing.
@@particleman5893 No. Actually that's not entirely true. I thought there was a danger if Labour got in with the SNP's help, but then lost Scotland in IndyRef2, Corbyn would want to make up for the loss of those voters somehow.
I think another reason that they lost that wasn’t mentioned in the video, was the split between remain voters (Lib Dems and Labour), which is quite punishing in first past the post. Corbyn was also deeply unpopular with the swing voters, who as you said, decide the election.
Swing Voters are basically people who don't actually follow politics at all beyond like 1 week out from an election beyond what they skim in the opinion section and front page of the Sun after they read the sport. Their votes can usually go either way based more on whatever their emotional mood is at the time.
@@KironVB I have seen you being really active in this comment section and I needed to get this off my chest. You use eloquent language to appear more knowledgeable than you actually are, and also appear to mistake higher education as being synonymous with wisdom/intelligence. You appear to have an uncanny assuredness in your own morals. An assuredness which, I believe, could only have come from a failure to analyse your own convictions. Your dismissive attitude to people you view as "other" (this example being swing voters, but it also seemingly extends to anyone who disagrees with you politically and those demographics which typically hold them) is further example of this failure on your part, and manifests itself in a conceited view of people whom you appear to hold in deep contempt. If you actually talk with your opposition you will find that most people aren't unlike yourself (although they will likely lack you sense of moral superiority), and simply want to be good, kind and honest people. I hope that one day you will begin to put serious consideration into your own beliefs, as many of these swing voters actually have. Perhaps then you won't have to generalise about and insult entire groups of people on the internet in order to feel more secure in your beliefs, and can instead hold fast to a set of values which can support themselves. Should you truly believe that you already hold such views already, though, I have just this to say. Any set of morals which require you to put down other people in order to feel validated in them are no morals at all.
mogznwaz nah there's actually more immigration into the towns and country, take Boston in Lincolnshire for example which had the highest % of immigrants the UK and also had the highest brexit vote
@@Sparrowash97 Yes, exactly. Same issue I believe as with the Electoral College in the USA. Stops populous states like California overwhelming more sparsely populated states like Ohio.
Labour lost primarily because of Brexit. They were caught trying to please two completely different groups of people - their older, more traditional working class voters in the North who mainly voted Leave, and their younger, more middle class voters in the South who in recent years joined the Labour Party because of Corbyn and it's shift to the Left (and who also mainly voted Remain). In an attempt to try and please both groups, Labour adopted a policy of neutrality on Brexit by offering a second referendum. However, this pleased no one, and as a result many of their Leave-supporting voters turned to the Tories and Brexit Party, and many of their Remain-supporting voters turned to the Lib Dems and Greens. Had they chosen a side and been more decisive and clear about their policy on Brexit, they could have retained a lot of votes. Instead they failed to see how important Brexit was to the people, and by not choosing a side, created a vacuum which was filled by the more decisive Tories and Lib Dems who unashamedly and openly supported Leave and Remain respectively. Corbyn was another factor as well, though not as big of a one as Brexit. Whatever you think of the man, by the time of the election his reputation was so tarnished and he was carrying so much political baggage that it was impossible for him to appeal to people outside of the relatively small number of his core supporters. When you've lost support of even large swathes of your own party and voter base, you can forget about trying to recruit undecided voters and voters from the other party. As Brexit unfolds over the next several years and as Labour is being steered into a more mainstream direction by a more "sensible" leader like Starmer, I think Labour will do better in the next election, though whether or not they win is hard to say. I think it depends on how badly the Tories handle Brexit, the ongoing pandemic, and how well Starmer manages in his role compared to his predecessor.
he also says Scotland and Wales used to be Labour strongholds and aren't anymore, even though Labour still have more seats in Wales than the Conservatives do
@@selsig_dwp Yes and no. Labour used to own all of Wales, with basically no exception. But three things kinda happened that broke that iron hold. 1: Welsh Labour was never the same as English Labour despite being under the party. And Welsh Labour made more of a fool of itself than anything else over the past few years (admittedly more in the Senedd than Parliament but there's not much in it) 2: Plaid. Plaid appearing makes Welsh Labour redundant, since Welsh Labour sold itself based on what was basically antithatcherite Welsh Nationalism, and à hatred of the tories due to her. Plaid can do that without being tied to Jezza or any other goofs since they've never held power. 3: Brexit. Wales liked Brexit. Corbyn didn't.
Labour need to expand their base. Tagging onto young voters has never worked, they're often too radical for normal people and by the time the next election rolls around they're working and vote Conservative. As a 24 year old Brit, who was once a Labour voter but now vote Conservative, even I felt completely alienated from the Labour party. They didn't speak to me at all.
@@jigsaw6954 er.... still a labour voter... cause their tax plans wouldn't have affected me... and even if they did i'm willing to pay for something good if they offer it.
Young are left-leaning and older are right-leaning: Professor Jonathan Haidt has a nice explanation, based on moral value. Safety and stability are typical conservative moral values. And when getting older (especially after getting kids) those moral values become more prominent. And after we decided what we believe, we look for the arguments that support what we believe (reason follows instinct). "Are there reasons that I can believe something I want, and are there reasons I don't have the believe what I do not want." In the Brexit debate, a lot of people have strong opinions about the cost/benefits on an economical scale. Their outcome perfectly aligns with if they are pro-EU or pro-Brexit. And very very few actually know a lot about economics and world trade etc. (this by the way includes me, but as a Dutch person, I am allowed to have opinions about everything, as it is sort of a national sport) Another note, I actually often find the left/right discussion confusing. Often people refer to Socialist-Capitalist when discussing Left-Right, but sometimes they mean Liberal-Conservative and other times it means Globalist-Nationalist. In The Netherlands, Jeremy's Corbyn would be considered Socialist (and very socialist for UK standards), but also mild conservative and mild nationalist. And often the second and third trade are considered right-wing. I do think the title is right, "Why Labour lost" as it was mostly Labour loosing and not so much the Conservatives winning (when looking at vote shares).
A really large factor I think you missed out was the brexit party gain in a lot of northern seats. You can look at the voteshare labour lost from 2017 and look at the brexit party gain and in a lot of seats these two are nearly identical. Unfortunately for the brexit party these votes were not enough to win, leading to labour losing their majority and the seat falling to the conservatives. Labour should have stuck to their 2017 manifesto instead of promising a confirmatory referendum on Brexit. Though your analysis of the long term trend away from class divides is spot on, these traditionally working class seats have seen falls in labour voteshare since the Blair. If Labour is going to move forward and win the next election they need to appeal to their traditional voterbase whilst trying to retain the cities. This means moving away from being overly metropolitian, university protest overly socially liberal party, and start looking at issues pragmaticlly e.g. brexit and listening to their northern voters on immigration. Scotland might well be a lost cause for the timebeing.
I'm a member of the Labour Party, and I was so frustrated when the party changed its brexit policy to a second referendum... I lay the blame on both blairites for helping cause this and corbynites that wanted it. Both blairism and corbynism have helped lose the north- I actually voted for Corbyn in 2015 and 2016, and loved the 2017 manifesto, but this one was overloaded, which helped lose us lots of the immediate vote, but blairism had helped cause a decline in the party a long time before this. Even without brexit, this election would have been lost, but probably with just a small majority for the conservatives. I'm hopeful for the candidates aside from RLB, Philips and Thornberry, but I'm not sure if starmer or nandy can create an electoral coalition between cities and traditional Labour towns, as nandy may alienate voters to the lib dems and starmer may not entice any from the tories back to Labour, though I do expect some seats that only just went tory to inevitably swing back if brexit is no longer an issue.
SMP weren’t necessarily centrist as much as they were solely dedicated towards the Remain position, which is why they could unite a few people on both sides.
I also take issue with your characterisation of working class. You can be urban and working class, this is an odd piece of insipid propaganda that’s been woven through the neoliberal project. The class interests of the urban and rural working class are aligned.
9:04 actually we also have blue for the right and red for the left You are completely right on calling my country weird though, we dip snails in garlic and call it a meal
Cerulean Stallion. Well in Ireland where I’m from it’s a stereotype to say “top of the morning to you” but I haven’t heard one person ever say that. apparently snails really slimey tho. How about the frogs legs aswell. They’re meant to be a French delicacy also.
I remember looking into the voting in my home city back when I was in school, at the time it was blue but its changed back and forth, looking into it i saw that for local areas of the city the only area that was consistently red was the inner city mostly immigrant area, all the other areas, including areas just as poor as the inner city, were far more often blue. The only real difference between these poor areas was if they were immigrant / english, and this was years ago so i'd expect this to be even more pronounced today
The Conservatives won the North because they openly backed Brexit. Labour took London and other cities because that's where the immigrant vote is. Liverpool will always vote Labour.
14:50 I'd define the upper working/ lower middle as high skill labour and middle management. The electricians, the builder who employee 2 brickies, the team leader in a call centre and the mcdonalds manager region
8:12 I don't think the age factor is getting more prominent, in fact, in this election, the crossover between when you're more most likely to switch from voting Labour to Conservative dropped by 8 years since 2017.
Labour went so far left it drove off the cliff. People weren’t attracted to corbyn and his mad policies, they could see quite clearly the kind of person he was. If labour ever wants to win again they need to go back to Blair’s Third Way (even if I’m not a fan of him). They must relearn the harsh lessons of the 70’s and 80’s!
Interesting aside about Scotland is that the left->right migration doesn't seem to apply to independence->unionist split, which is one reason why the SNP has assiduously kept to a Blairite centre-left agenda (and even has a flavour of centre-right in it - post-independence most people expect something of a split). So the core independence demographic seems to ramp up at about 0.3% per year simply on population replacement.
If Scotland were to become independent then all of Britain would be plunged into yet more chaos .🤦♂️Let’s hope that most Scots prefer a reformed United Kingdom rather than a non-existent one 😬.🏴🇬🇧🇪🇺
@@Valencetheshireman927 We don't - thankfully. Independence is inevitable now, even surveys of unionist show that most believe that Independence will happen within the next decade. You're welcome to come up and join us, we are after all an outward looking pro-internationalist nation, but most of us are past England, we're really no longer bothered about it, sure it's rather sad watching the xenophobes destroy what they had, but largely we're past caring so long as we can get out..
When I table talk about politics do people on both the left and right tend to give me the blame for the ills in the country, despite I never voted for any of the politicians in charge of the country (unlike the person which I talk to)... Funny how things work. All I want is a Swexit, and since not a single one of our eight parties in parliament want to leave the EU I have to vote for parties parties that are too tiny to have a seat at parliament.
Is this a reference to Lib Dems/SNP? There's a reason for that - the First Past the Post electoral system strongly favours parties whose support is geographically concentrated, as opposed to spread out across the country. Lib Dems got more votes than the SNP but the SNP got about four times as many seats because their vote is not spread across the whole country.
The problem with Labour was that they couldn’t appeal to the Hardcore Remainers in Scotland and affluent English cities, nor could they appeal to the moderate Brexiteers in their target seats.
@@MarshallLore What do you happen to mean by ridiculous idea, if you don't mind me asking? I don't think it's perfect. However if you watch Andrew Yang discuss the topic he speaks about slowly implementing it to replace welfare/disability programs which in time would lessen government spending. As well as stimulating the economy, such a program could make some groups of people more willing to contribute to society as they will be unafraid of loosing their welfare or disability. Currently you get more money for how much more disabled you are. A system witch can discourage otherwise willing volunteers to stay home in fear they will appear too "able bodied". As well as the fact that due to people having less (or no) children there are less and less people to pay into social security (which could also slowly be replaced by UBI) meaning we will have less of a support system for people who are aged and unable to work.
UBI sounds like a nice idea at first. Why not get rid of all government paper work by giving all people the same sum of money each month? People do not need to starve or being worried about robots taking all the jobs. The reason I am skeptical of this is because all we humans have different needs. 1500 dollars per month can be enough for one person, but too little for another person. And for a millionaire wouldn't need that money. If you are an elderly woman living in a state with a high cost of living - expensive food, expensive housing etc that money does perhaps not be enough if you also need to pay for a dentist and a new pair of glasses that month. So therefore would I prefer another system that gives more money to those who needs it, and less to those who don't. Such a system is less wasteful with money and better helps people with their needs (food, healthcare etc). Another problem with UBI is that it is unsustainable if you give people too much money each month. If you give people 20.000 dollars each month then many would quit their jobs and live a good life instead. So to get people to work, companies would need to offer higher wages - which would eat up companies profits, and inflation would get higher. And how would you pay for such a high UBI? You need to raise taxes or using the printing press. And the taxes would eat up even more of the profits for companies and the the printing press would make the inflation problems worse. And if you tax workers instead of companies, then why would any person want to work when they can live off UBI instead? And say that America get another great economic crash like the Great depression. Millions of Americans get unemployed. Fewer people pay taxes. While millions more people need to get UBI to survive and put food on the table... and now you need to use the printing press massively to feed all unemployed people. People who have a job see their wage being eaten up by all inflation and see no point to work anymore and would give up and leave the country, or go over to UBI. And the entire system crashes and falls apart. UBI is terrible idea because it leads to inflation in times of high unemployment and easily becomes unsustainable.
The other option is of course to have a very low UBI. Say 100 dollars per month. Then you will of course have an economically sustainable system. But people will live in poverty and not getting their needs met. UBI would be like putting a plaster on an open wound where pounds of blood flows out. It is too little to do any difference to help people. So what is the solution? Scrap the idea of UBI. A job guarantee programme that Bernie Sanders is proposing is a better idea. The government job will guarantee that you get a job if you are unemployed. And if you cannot find a job at a grocery store or as a nurse or whatever, then the government will give you a job. You maybe get placed in a kindergarten, or cleaning the parks, or building infrastructure and a new energy grid. And you get paid with a minimum wage and no more - so the government does not create a problem with pushing up the wages for American companies so they cannot compete with the rest of the world. The worker get his/her fair share. And make friends at work, and get new skills. The worker get a wage to buy stuff with - movie tickets, bread, headphones whatever - and thereby creating more sales for American companies and more jobs. The worker at this government minimum wage job pays taxes and does not need any government handouts - which is good for the government and the tax payers. You also do not create public health problems such as depression - which is more common among unemployed. And you do help people avoid getting stuck in long term unemployment, which leads to no company wants to hire that person no matter how much that person wants to work and no matter how qualified he/she is. This system is also not inflationary during times of economic recession - like the UBI is. And it also sustainable. And people can afford all their basic needs since the wage is set a a minimum wage level. The government jobs are not the best paid. But when the country gets out of an economic crash you will probably be able to change your old government job, to a better paid job in the private sector. And since you have lots of job skills acquired at your old job, then this new company will be eager to hire you. And you get a better paid job and get happy. Your company gets happy that they now can expand their business. And the government gets happy that you take a better paid job so you can pay more taxes. So a job guarantee programme is a win-win-win for everyone.
Unionists are mostly right wing and nationalists tend to be left wing. The second biggest nationalist party is literally called the Social Democrat and Labour Party
redswan music well a lot of conservative Catholics are gonna vote for sinn fein anyway and a lefty Protestant is gonna vote dup or most likely not bot at all because both parties are a fucking sham
I’ve been watching you for years (at least 6?) and this is one of the most fascinating videos I’ve ever seen from you. There was so much here I learned that I never hear in the US (thanks in part to our media). Also, I totally know what you mean with the Scotland voters’ choices. I have cousins there who over the years have been very big Labour voters, voted Stay in both UK and EU, but in this election they voted SNP over the whole Brexit issue. It’s fascinating the number of levels that go into choosing your vote when there are both nat’l parties and regional parties when they are similarly placed on the spectrum.
Newly arrived people just looking for free stuff with no interest in the history or traditions of the Labour Party whatsoever. The Tories know you win elections by appealing to the people who hold the country together. The Howards and Hildas in the towns and villages.
Great video Toycat! Loved to learn about about UK politics through this series. To me as a Dutchie, the first-past-the-vote system seems so weird and outdated though (fun fact: in Europe only Belarus uses it as well).
I appreciate your genuine effort to present this video in a neutral manner, however whenever mentioning Labour's defeat or the Conservative's victory saying "sadly" sort of gives your view away!!!
With the young vote, it’s simple : Everyone is in favour of socialism and government intervention until they have to pay 20%, maybe even 40%, of their income in taxes
“When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality.” ― Russell Brand
I'm a young-ish voter (mid 20s), and not for full-blown socialism. (And never have been) I fundamentally disagree with the core tenet of socialism around individual property rights not existing. I do also firmly believe that rampant unchecked capitalism is not the right option either. I'm a fan of a capitalist system, with socialist checks and balances to help the less well-off, as well as nationalising industries which I do not believe should be privatised. I'm also a firm believer in healthcare being available to those who cannot afford it, extending this thought however, I feel those who CAN afford to go with private healthcare have a moral duty to do so, such that the nationalised healthcare system is more freed up for the less fortunate. I myself will be joining a private medical scheme soon enough due to recent changes in my income making it feasible for me to do so.
@@zwabTheRealOne *"I'm a fan of a capitalist system, with socialist checks and balances to help the less well-off, as well as nationalising industries which I do not believe should be privatised."* Such a rule is dumb because it is totally arbitrarily where the borders for the free market goes. What is a free market for you, is on over-regulated socialist nightmare to another person. In the 1800's did capitalists complain that England had become an over-regulated socialist nightmare because the government had banned child labor under the age of 9 in industries that were particularity brutal to them. A very moderate and sensible regulation would most people today think.. indeed, its not even going far enough to address the problem of child labor. But in the 1800's people would call you a Communist for not respect the freedom of contract - fundamental component of Capitalism "If a seller wants to sell his labor, and buyer wants to buy it under voluntary conditions, then what is the problem?" *"I'm also a firm believer in healthcare being available to those who cannot afford it, extending this thought however, I feel those who CAN afford to go with private healthcare have a moral duty to do so, such that the nationalised healthcare system is more freed up for the less fortunate."* You proposal sounds wonderful if it would work. But it doesn't. It has already been tried in USA and the result is that rich people only think about themselves and do not want to pay more taxes because of those damn "others". Especially not if many of them are negros or immigrants. In Scandinavia on the other hand where everyone gets free healthcare - regardless if they are rich or poor - does the rich people have an incentive to pay for good healthcare and good schools. Because it will not only help the poor, but also help themselves and their own kids. A system for everyone is perhaps more wasteful. But it is politically sustainable in getting enough support from everyone, so you do not end up with underfunded help for the poor.
...... you’ve entirely missed the point of how Scotland works. The SNP is the only viable (in FPTP) left of centre party in Scotland, all seats in Scotland are BT’s characterised as SNP vs LD/Con marginals. A similar process is underway in Wales, plaid is taking an an increasingly left wing stance, the left is split on unionism and nationalism, while the right of centre remains unified under Toryism and unionism, as a result Welsh seats are characterised by a Con vs Lab/PC. With labour or PC representing similar ideologies at least int he mind of the voters. Left wing vote share has slowly increased since its nadir 2008, not enough to rupture in any election yet, due to the electoral system. Because while the right of centre vote can nearly all be captured by the conservatives, who are competitive in nearly every seat, while the left vote is fragmented nationally, and within seats, in 11/12 most marginal conservative seats in England Lab+Ld vote share was greater than the conservatives.
I think it's deliciously ironic that parties with communist overtones can't work together, but the right wing capitalists all formed a single unified party.
Sorry you're incorrect as to why us Welsh vote for Plaid. I live in Gwynedd which is basically PC voting HQ, and i can tell you with certainty its 100% because of tribalism. If you express any symptoms of voting for any other party you are most defiantly not allowed to make that known to people. Not that i cared and voted Tori and proud. But really it has nothing to do with the appeal of "slightly left leaning" politics. And its the same with Scotland, im originality from Scotland. Scots vote for SNP partly because of the tribalism of voting for a political party that is there to represent your country, but also because they saw no appeal in Labour nor Tori and most certanly not Lib Dems in this election. Another misinformation that is being spread is that they voted SNP because they dont want Brexit and want to stay in the EU, when in fact its more that they want Independence of govorment but that does not mean they would want to rejoin the EU like the SNP try and make people believe. Anyway i just figured if give you some more info on this as your talking about me and mine. No hard feelings and i respect you did it with good spirit to help others understand. But i dont necciceraly agree the country is more appealed by left leaning politics over right, i think the majority of the country is very centrist.
I believe the his election was largely driven by core interests that in fact are not self evidently left or right leaning, and I think this uncommon, in some ways, political flexibility, partially contributes to a greater voter malleability that rewarded several axioms of current policy over historical loyalty.
It's so annoying how I speak to so many people that say they would vote for lib dem but don't because "they'll never win" Tactical voting really is a bitch
Here in Sweden the social democrats has less support from the young generation. And the center right parties have more support here. It seem to be the opposite in UK
Because you're hippie leaders elected by stupid boomers destroyed the spirit of the country and turned it from the safest country in Europe to the hand grenade and rape capital of the developed world. They pissed on the young for the sake of diversity and they're lucky they don't get hung by them for treason
@@kazsmaz Our so called center right parties are just like the LIbdems. There is really not much difference if you vote green, liberal or for the center party here in Sweden... they are same shit with a different name. And the social democrats are as charming as a wet paper bag. While the left party is a somewhat more moderate and boring version AOC in America. The Sweden democrats are basically like UKIP, but recently they have sold out their voters and have become pro-EU instead. And the two conservative parties here in Sweden are a little more left-wing in economic and social issues than the Tories in the UK and the GOP in USA.
@@isaks7042 I'm less inclined to trust a Swede about Sweden. You people are so blind to the world and your own issues. Grenade attacks happen nowhere else in Europe. Your fucked.
How the fuck did this guy, who does overly excited minecraft videos, upload a fairly unbiased and well informed video on British politics, and somehow not try and push an agenda of some kind. Great video my guy.
@@paddystrongjaw9995 Tell me in simple terms what Donald Trump has done in his 4 years in office. I'm sure you'll have no issues being unbiased as you do that.
Not "without fail". Clearly, the people who voted for him didn't hate him. I don't hate him. In fact, I'd probably have voted Labour if I wasn't in Scotland.
Carlos Danger it was a joke commenting on how heavily left the youth is. i myself at too young to vote but if i could i would vote tory, i believe capitalism is the best way forward
The UK parliament is will overdue for a boundary review. Look at how many marginal seats Scotland has. The SNP get about 80% of the seats with less than 50% of the vote. A boundary review could make the 2024 general election very interesting.
In the UK Scotland have swung the results of an election once in the past 50 years, they feel like they have no influence over modern politics in the UK
Conventional wisdom seems to be that working class people are more socially conservative than the more middle class leaders and activists of Labour. I think that's leaving out something very important. Traditionally, social conservatism has been inspired by religion, constitutionalism, patriotism or some such factor, as it still is (though I'd argue to a lesser extent these days) in the USA. Yet, the UK is far less religious, very few people understand or care about our (unwritten) constitution and people who are apparently patriotic can't help but find dozens of reasons to hate this country whenever they pick up their favourite tabloid. In my view, the apparent social conservatism of the working class is inspired not by actual conservatism, but more by a hatred, or more accurately a jealousy, of the middle class and a need for a scapegoat. The Conservatives managed to play into that very well.
The left have called the working class backward countryside voters, losers, incels, racists, gammons, too low educated and stupid to vote etc... so no wonder that the working class feels no love for the urban middle class left who despise them so much only for disagreeing with them in humble way on immigration or Brexit. The middle class left got no one to blame but themselves for being hated by everyone else. And as a leftwinger I do feel stronger ties with patriotism, family values, western values, than I do with the things that the new left propagate for: hatred of your own country. Love for the EU. Love for multiculturalism and islam. Cheering for the destruction of the nuclear family and obsessing about exotic sexual minorities. I think the left should be about serving the working class instead of looking down upon them with contempt. You can say that it is not the working class that have made an unholy alliance with the capitalist class. Rather it is the middle class champagne socialists who have done so. It is they who support the neoliberal EU. It is they who divert attention away from important issues about democracy, online-privacy, freedom of speech and the economy to instead talk about sexist air conditioning, colorblind racism, and cultural appropriation. It is the left who are useful idiots to the rich by wanting to open borders to push down wages and crash the welfare state which the poor are most reliant upon. It is the left who want to make the nation-state weaker, so that big corporations can get away with more things, avoid paying taxes, avoid regulations, and being able to blackmail governments into giving them more concessions. It is all the Limousine liberals that work as guard dogs for big corporations to protect them from criticism. And words like "sexism" and "racism" is now used as a shield against valid criticism of people in power.
@@nattygsbord I'm a right-winger, so you're doing my job for me in making the left look bad. Frankly, I think it's ridiculous to pretend that the majority of the left are anything like what you've described. If anything, it makes you look like your worldview is informed by watching feminist cringe compilations rather than actually talking to leftists. However, I think you make a good point in how the left are mostly holding up the status quo of neoliberalism. Of course, I'm completely happy with that. I'm sorry to break it to you, but since Reagan and Thatcher, neoliberalism and free trade has lifted more people out of poverty than socialism ever could. In fact, free trade has been lifting millions in Asia out of the squalid conditions socialism left them in since the 20th century. I know it's an uncomfortable fact to acknowledge, but high wages and overly generous welfare serve only to make nations weaker. A highly competitive labour market will always be far more productive and will life far more people out of poverty than strangling job creators with high wages. I have to admit that open borders are an excellent way of achieving that. I'm sure I've missed out a few of your points, so if there's any in particular you'd like me to address, I'd be happy to oblige.
As a rightwinger I can tell you 4 things. 1. There exist no classes and have never done so. 2. Class differences have existed in the past, but no longer do so today, so therefore it is irrelevant to talk about classes today. 3. Class differences have been increasing the last 3 decades, but that is the fault of leftwing politics!! 4. Class differences are only a good thing and it is good when the wealth inequalities are increasing, since it is good that people gets rewarded for getting educated, working hard and taking responsibility and choose to become rich.
@@nattygsbord Left wing politics are to blame for class inequalities?! The whole point of the political left is to remove or at least shrink class inequalities. Ever heard of a little left wing thing called communism?
ToyCat Incorrectly Explained the British Social Class System: A = Upper (Rich) B = Middle C1 = Upper Working C2 = Lower Working D = Shorterm Unemployed E = Longterm Unemployed
Studies have actually shown people don't change their ideas or party identity often it's more that either the overton window has moved left (at least on social policy) causing people to vote for a party which now better represents them on the right but also the age divide has historically also been caused by poor people dying, both from accidents in dangerous jobs and also poverty making people die young.
I think the world follows international trends. 1930s: USA goes west, the rest of the world follows. 1980s: USA goes right, the rest of the world follows. 2016 USA goes populist, the rest of the world follows. I also think that humans are a creature which is also good at seeing patterns in everything - even in things where no such pattern exist. Correlation does not equal causation.
@@albal156 yeah the poor handling of anti-semitism also meant that the labour seats were going to somewhat drop away. If the manifesto had been kept similar to 2017 I would say that Boris may have gotten a majority, just a small one.
When your young your naive and believe the public sector can fix things as you get older you discover individuals and private owners are more effective and better then the collective at fixing things
1966 election, Labour got a majority of around 60 returning Harold Wilson to power for 4 more years while the Conservatives under Ted Heath didn’t even gain a single seat. Next election in 1970 Ted Heath and the Conservatives gained a comfortable majority of around 20, which may I add was against almost every opinion poll.
I think elderly sees voting as a social obligation. While young people have more this idea that parties needs to earn their vote, or otherwise they stay home. Personally I think this is a dumb idea. If you do feel all parties are shit - like I do - then why not take the liberty to follow your heart and vote for a party which will not win? My vote is pointless in this election, but if everyone is stacking up their votes over time, then this party might perhaps come into parliament. That is how I reason atleast :) The politicians troll me with their shitty policy proposals, and I troll them by voting for something else instead. They are not fucking entitled to my vote. They need to not bend a fucking knee on important issues, or they can fuck off and forget my vote. The EU parliament elections have I never cared about. I stayed home for all 3 last ones.
The method to actually get more of us to vote and change things may well be to push the idea you have of voting for any other than the main parties through either hijacking a party as one to protest vote for or getting enough people together to organise one. May be strange but if you if you frame something as a protest sticking it to the establishment it'll probably be more motivating than the responsibility/shaming angle.
In Malta, politics is (traditionally) divided into, North and South. - Nationalist Party (North) (Blue) - Labour Party (South) (Red) However, the Labour Party in the last 2 (2013 and 2017) Elections beat up the Nationalist Party by a lot. Labour 'Strongholds' in Malta: -The Three Cities (Cottonera): -Senglea (L-Isla) -Vittoriosa (Il-Birgu) -Cospicua (Bormla) -Kalkara -Paola (Rahal Gdid) -Marsa -Zejtun -Xghajra (and Smart City) -Zabbar -Marsaskala (Wied il-Ghajn) -Zurrieq -Dingli -Hamrun Nationalist 'Strongholds' in Malta: -Sliema -St. Julian's (San Giljan) -Swieqi -Naxxar -Gharghur -Attard -Lija and L-Iklin -Balzan -Mgarr (Malta) -Ghajnsielem (Gozo) -Victoria (Rabat, Gozo) -Mdina (Malta) Nationalist 'Strongholds' in Malta, BEFORE 2013, that were lost (for the first time) to Labour: -Birkirkara (Lost Between 2013-2017) -Valletta (Lost in 2017) -Mosta (Lost in 2017) -Siggiewi (Lost in 2019)
if the UK had the New Zealand electoral system you would have a minority labour party and if had the Australian electoral system you would have a minority conservative government with no majority in the upper house.
KZstu For simplicity sake, The NZ system is proportional to the vote so you would see a Left Wing alliance of Labour, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru and Liberal Democrats winning around %54 of the seats while the Australian model is preferential voting for the house while proportional for the senate; So you would see the Conservatives with the help of second preferences/MPS from the BREXIT Party due to their geographical advantage winning the House while losing the Senate to the alliance of the Left Wing parties.
The main difference between the young and the old is responsibility. As you grow older you are likely be be concerned with supporting your children, property, pension, health, income etc. Labour hold the cards on health which is possibly why more women than men vote Labour.
This comment section is split between people complimenting Toycat on his impartialness and anti-corbynists. This may be a wacky idea but if you're attracting anti-corbynists so much maybe you aren't as impartial as the people you've hearted in this comment section say. Still love your videos though
"It's attracting people who dislike the same person I dislike because in a fair political breakdown everyone will dislike the same person I dislike." Cool ig... I myself am not even that big of a fan of Corbyn but if I were the people in the comments, to make things fair, I would also mention Johnson's continuous record of racism and sexism(especially during his days in journalism), I'd also mention how he literally hid in a fridge from an interviewer and other of his misdeeds alongside those of Corbyn. On top of that Toycat has satirized plenty of times Corbyn's suggested policies yet barely said a thing about those of the Tories. I still remember how he jokingly said that Labour voters are ludicrous for believing the Tories might sell the NHS a few weeks ago and yet that exact thing is happening right now. Also what even are "borbinists"
I think RUclips comments tend to lean rightwards, no matter what opinion I express. Or more accurately, I guess RUclips comments are super pro populism, whether left or right. That means you get much more brexity comments and much more pro Johnson / anti Commie on every video I post, regardless of if I say anything haha
Put something bad under an objective lens and it will appear bad. Pro-corbynists are therefore likely to avoid more unbiased commentaries, as in their own view they are in fact NOT unbiased, as they expose the utter failure of corbyn and his politics.
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America:
Red states v. Blue states
U.K.:
Blue Seats v. Red Seats
ToyCat liked the comment, huh.
Yes, most countries use blue for conservative and red for liberal.
People in the States where I live get confused about where someone stands. Red could be Republican (Pub) or socialist (to the left of blue). IMO, it’s Left - Red, Centrist - Blue, Right - Red. Yes, the color has to do with party affiliations. The Conservatives call the Democrats leftists, but most Democrats are very middle of the road.
@@redsamson5185 Americans get very confused about Australian politics. Our main 'right wing' party is called the Liberal party and uses blue. In America, liberals are often associated with the left of politics as are is blue.
As you said though red is usually the main left party while blue is the right. The US is the annomily to this.
Ryan Kirby I am use to there being two major parties, two minor parties, and a free for all called “Independents.”
Michael Stanton We are an anomaly to everything.
Usually I'm one of the "fun comments", but this time great video! Keeping to the facts, not being openly biased towards either side, going through most factors and how could have they affected the voting outcomes without applying your own wishes and opinions on them.
One of the best vids on the topic I've seen. Great job!
Agreed. Impressive objectivity. I still have no idea how he voted.
@@joshadams8761 he said the election "sadly turned out this way" which means he didnt vote conservative, i'm 90% sure he voted labour because of the context of his comment about young people.
The charts are interesting but he analysis is weak and shallow
@@oniichanmk7346 I was literally about to comment this as well, he had full neutrality until that veryyyyy end bit where he dropped the 'sadly' bombshell, then it was pretty clear aha
@@oniichanmk7346 Also sorry but do you have a timestamp for the comment about young people part? I just want to see if it was the one I was thinking you mean
What's with people in the comments saying "I would vote Boris/Corbyn"? That's not how elections work here. You vote for an MP to represent your area in parliament, not vote directly for a prime minister
yea and its a terrible system
You are quintessentially voting for either
It’s the the same thing here in Canada. I don’t really like the system but you can still kinda indirectly vote for a PM so that’s how I think of it when people make comments like that.
They're just commies ignore them.
Yeah, I find that interesting. As an american I don't really understand it, because I can like a republican senator or representative and still hate Trump or Mitch McConnell lol.
Is there a “brexiteers only” map and “remainers only” map, because i feel that that was the greatest factor
^this
I agree. It's the main reason the Tories were able to take the north, as the traditional northern working class voters also mainly voted in favour of Brexit.
@@Miniman-hq1zn Indeed.
The truth is, there is very, very little in mainline conservatism for the working class. The only real selling points the tories have at this point is 1) they'll do brexit and 2) they aren't pandering to virulently anti-white and anti-british groups.
If I were a conservative, I'd thank whatever I hold holy every single day that my enemies were and are weird antiwhite liberals and not some kind of serious political opposition. If the tories went up against a proper pro-worker populist party from either the left or the right it'd be all over for them.
Picture bojo trying to debate someone like Oswald Mosley for example. It wouldn't even be a contest lol
Dorian Winston Strasser gang Strasser gang
@@directrulefromgamerchair3947 started sound and then went absolutely off the rails
14:55- C2 means skilled working class. People who work in manual jobs that require a good level of technical knowledge and education (e.g plumbers, electricians, foremen, etc).
I am from Australia this class talk is extremely foreign here.
I found that section shocking and bizzare.
@@ajwasthere Why though? These classes are a pretty universal thing among societies, as well as the differences between them in political choices.
Apart from maybe highly heterogeneous societies, in which wealth would take heed to race/identity
We just don't think of them in those types of terms. They are very formal. In America we are more just the The Rich, Middle-Class, and Working Class, but we don't define them.
@@ajwasthere what? What do you think tradies are?
@@anonduckduck because he voted for Scott Morrison
A - upper middle class - 4% of population
B - middle class - 23%
C1 - lower middle class - 28%
C2 - skilled working class - 20%
D - working class - 15%
E - unemployed - 10%
unemployement lower at 3,5%
buster117 it might be another definition of unemployment, some stats register underemployment as unemployment
buster117 unemployment is defined here as "non-working," so includes pensioners (if they're reliant on the state pension) and casual workers with no fixed employment.
@@SamBrev Wrong, otherwise unemployment would reach 20%. An unemployed person is an able working person who is looking for work but cant find any.
buster117 that definition is true if you’re looking at unemployment statistics, but if you’re sorting into broad economic classes it does make some sense to group unemployed people with underemployed, low income retirees and casual workers as they tend to have similar levels of precarity and purchasing power
"look at the size of women aged 18-24 voting red"
Indeed
EllieNyte because they’re young and haven’t built up a career and the system rewards having a career.
You callin them fat?
My sides lol
But then they grow up.
Hopefully this election taught Labour that social media doesn’t win elections, so hopefully next election my whole Instagram won’t be plastered with vOtE lAbOuR
Corsacs well, look at the Conservatives instagram page. Memes galore.
Corsacs ever heard of Cambridge analytica?
Guinness yep, not too relevant
Corsacs no of course not , except that they did use social media to win an election. So there's that
Social media does win elections. The right are just far better at it. Conservative memes were shared at 4x the rate of left wing ones in the election. The difference though left wing memes are too "smart" and "witty" and are aimed at youth and educated (WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS), Conservative party memes are "dumb" and aimed at old people. Look up Topham Gurien who do Boris' social media campaigning. They literally state they make dumb and "bad" memes because they know boomers are idiots and will share blatant stupid misinformation and that left wing memes require actual intelligence to get which means low information voters won't share them.
Interesting to note is that Burnley, one of the seats that switched from Labour to Conservative, now has a Conservative MP which is the first time that has happened since 1910
I don't even live in the UK but whatever, thanks ibx2cat. This really expanded my understanding of the UK.
The more I think about the election result, the more my understanding of the UK diminishes.... and I live here ;)
@@ftumschk its pretty simple, there was a vote, people voted, there was an overwhelming majority for a party, and the losers wont stop crying about it. Maybe you should take more time to understand why people voted the way they do as clearly if you dont get it your missing a lot of information. Even the working class North got it smh
@@Sparrowash97 I fully understand why people voted as they did, thanks. They were conned over many decades to believe that the EU was the root of all their problems, when in fact it was their own Governments. EU policy has very little influence on the everyday lives of ordinary people, yet demonstrable liars like Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson persuaded them otherwise. A vote won on the basis of misinformation is not a vote at all.
ftumschk and actually you demonstrate in your ignorance that you know nothing of the reason people voted to leave. More than anything is it because the British want independence from a higher governing body, we want to take back control of our laws and legislations and remove the unelected bureaucrats from involving themselves in our country. But if course you do not see that because you have been lied and mislead by anti democratic europhiles 🤦♂️🤷♂️
ftumschk you are literally a stereotype of the type of person the electorate decided they had had enough of in this election. You know nothing and yet insult other people’s intelligence because they hold different opinions to you.
Map 1: I'm comfortable this way.
Map 2: Ok....I know what you're doing....but....stop.....
Map 3: KILL MEEHHH
Matthew Haywood Map 3: map1’s brain damaged younger brother
@@benjaminwalker7793 Map 2: labotamised map 1s cousin.
6:38 i thinl, the reason why we consider younger people to be more "left-leaning" is because they are usually more progressive. And when their more progressive thoughts become the norm with time, they will get conservative. An example would be gay marriage. 20 years ago, if you were in favour of it, you were propably quite progressive, now it is also possible for conservatis to be in favour of it.
I am gonna have to take inspiration from Jonathan Pie: this ain't America: publicly standing for identity politics is a waste of time...
Identity politics is here to stay my guy
@@kingofracism It got roundly defeated last election.
@@Voidwurm1701 how did it? Conservatives love to play identity politics. Including our PM. It's just White people who are not afforded the same collectivsation of identity which every other group is allowed.
@@kingofracism so you have to admit that America is to the left of Britain
@@jonalderson5571 economically no, they're to the right of the UK. Socially, yes, they are to the left of Brits
"if you live in a city, you are more left leaning and if you don't you are more right leaning"
in brazil it is the absolute opposite, the bigger the urban center, the more right leaning it is
Drug gangs responsible for that?
@@shadowfan982 why drug gangs?
@@davigurgel2040 they may turn people away from big government
@@shadowfan982 well, people in cities worry more about safety because of that, so maybe in part. Also, the education level is higher and people are more informed so they are less vulnerable to populism
@@davigurgel2040 Interesting because that's the same phenomenon in Europe, but populism is right-wing so the cities vote more left wing
I think that Churchill quote is actually falsely attributed to him, but who cares at this point. It's a meme too strong to kill.
Who said it?
I loved that quote.
@@younes6286 The first attestestation of the quote is from Anselme Polycarpe Batbie (1875). He attributes it to Edmund Burke (1729-1797), but it doesn't appear in any of Burke's published writings.
@@Tevildo I'm going with Churchill.
Print the legend.
@@HouseholdDog The problem is that it doesn't apply to Churchill's own career. He was a liberal politician until he was 50.
there was a great saying from my modern studies teacher
- "I was a flat out socialist before i started paying taxes."
"Socialism is when u pay taxes"
The commune already has a modern studies teacher. G E T D O W N T H E F U C K I N G M I N E S
What’s the Labour Party? I thought it was the red party
Michael Wright you would be correct in thinking that it is the red party
I voted Conservative for the first time in my life last election (I am 52). I have voted SDP, Labour, Green and LibDem (I think) in general elections and local elections. I have voted Brexit and possibly UKIP in the European elections. I would not have believed I would vote Conservative when I was young.
why the change
@@particleman5893 Largely Brexit, partly because I thought Labour's economic policies would take us back to the 70s, partly because I thought Corbyn was incompetent and too left wing.
@@KevTheImpaler nothing to do with immigration?
@@particleman5893 No. Actually that's not entirely true. I thought there was a danger if Labour got in with the SNP's help, but then lost Scotland in IndyRef2, Corbyn would want to make up for the loss of those voters somehow.
You voted for brexit and ukip? Why? Ukip seriously farage is vomit inducing. Shame on you.
I think another reason that they lost that wasn’t mentioned in the video, was the split between remain voters (Lib Dems and Labour), which is quite punishing in first past the post. Corbyn was also deeply unpopular with the swing voters, who as you said, decide the election.
Swing voters... who are they? Never seen one.
Guilherme Ferreira people that will vote for either party, rather than people who only vote Tory and people who only vote Labour.
Swing Voters are basically people who don't actually follow politics at all beyond like 1 week out from an election beyond what they skim in the opinion section and front page of the Sun after they read the sport. Their votes can usually go either way based more on whatever their emotional mood is at the time.
@@KironVB I have seen you being really active in this comment section and I needed to get this off my chest. You use eloquent language to appear more knowledgeable than you actually are, and also appear to mistake higher education as being synonymous with wisdom/intelligence. You appear to have an uncanny assuredness in your own morals. An assuredness which, I believe, could only have come from a failure to analyse your own convictions. Your dismissive attitude to people you view as "other" (this example being swing voters, but it also seemingly extends to anyone who disagrees with you politically and those demographics which typically hold them) is further example of this failure on your part, and manifests itself in a conceited view of people whom you appear to hold in deep contempt.
If you actually talk with your opposition you will find that most people aren't unlike yourself (although they will likely lack you sense of moral superiority), and simply want to be good, kind and honest people. I hope that one day you will begin to put serious consideration into your own beliefs, as many of these swing voters actually have. Perhaps then you won't have to generalise about and insult entire groups of people on the internet in order to feel more secure in your beliefs, and can instead hold fast to a set of values which can support themselves.
Should you truly believe that you already hold such views already, though, I have just this to say. Any set of morals which require you to put down other people in order to feel validated in them are no morals at all.
I believe the correct terminology is floating voter pal
Cities with large, immigrant heavy populations skew the numbers considerably.
mogznwaz nah there's actually more immigration into the towns and country, take Boston in Lincolnshire for example which had the highest % of immigrants the UK and also had the highest brexit vote
@@StoutProper I think he means numbers in terms of population count for constituency.
Vagabond Sparrow who cares about that? Clearly not people who voted for brexit.
@@Sparrowash97 Yes, exactly. Same issue I believe as with the Electoral College in the USA. Stops populous states like California overwhelming more sparsely populated states like Ohio.
mogznwaz its a bad thing that rural areas are properly represented?
Labour lost primarily because of Brexit. They were caught trying to please two completely different groups of people - their older, more traditional working class voters in the North who mainly voted Leave, and their younger, more middle class voters in the South who in recent years joined the Labour Party because of Corbyn and it's shift to the Left (and who also mainly voted Remain). In an attempt to try and please both groups, Labour adopted a policy of neutrality on Brexit by offering a second referendum. However, this pleased no one, and as a result many of their Leave-supporting voters turned to the Tories and Brexit Party, and many of their Remain-supporting voters turned to the Lib Dems and Greens. Had they chosen a side and been more decisive and clear about their policy on Brexit, they could have retained a lot of votes. Instead they failed to see how important Brexit was to the people, and by not choosing a side, created a vacuum which was filled by the more decisive Tories and Lib Dems who unashamedly and openly supported Leave and Remain respectively.
Corbyn was another factor as well, though not as big of a one as Brexit. Whatever you think of the man, by the time of the election his reputation was so tarnished and he was carrying so much political baggage that it was impossible for him to appeal to people outside of the relatively small number of his core supporters. When you've lost support of even large swathes of your own party and voter base, you can forget about trying to recruit undecided voters and voters from the other party.
As Brexit unfolds over the next several years and as Labour is being steered into a more mainstream direction by a more "sensible" leader like Starmer, I think Labour will do better in the next election, though whether or not they win is hard to say. I think it depends on how badly the Tories handle Brexit, the ongoing pandemic, and how well Starmer manages in his role compared to his predecessor.
Polls have found it was the lack of confidence in the leadership
"Since we've seen in the Eighties" -- Andrew, YOU never saw the Eighties. :-P
he also says Scotland and Wales used to be Labour strongholds and aren't anymore, even though Labour still have more seats in Wales than the Conservatives do
@@selsig_dwp Yes and no. Labour used to own all of Wales, with basically no exception. But three things kinda happened that broke that iron hold.
1: Welsh Labour was never the same as English Labour despite being under the party. And Welsh Labour made more of a fool of itself than anything else over the past few years (admittedly more in the Senedd than Parliament but there's not much in it)
2: Plaid. Plaid appearing makes Welsh Labour redundant, since Welsh Labour sold itself based on what was basically antithatcherite Welsh Nationalism, and à hatred of the tories due to her. Plaid can do that without being tied to Jezza or any other goofs since they've never held power.
3: Brexit. Wales liked Brexit. Corbyn didn't.
@@selsig_dwp simply holding more seats than the opposing party doesn’t make it a stronghold
When are you going to create the Empire of Toycat?
Once we leave the EU XD
Labour need to expand their base. Tagging onto young voters has never worked, they're often too radical for normal people and by the time the next election rolls around they're working and vote Conservative.
As a 24 year old Brit, who was once a Labour voter but now vote Conservative, even I felt completely alienated from the Labour party. They didn't speak to me at all.
I'm confused, I got a job and my views only went further left from there, something isn't adding up.
@luca kro full time.
@luca kro nah. IT
@@gamegod273 check your income tax rate and tell me how you feel after
@@jigsaw6954 er.... still a labour voter... cause their tax plans wouldn't have affected me... and even if they did i'm willing to pay for something good if they offer it.
I didn’t even know you did anything other than Minecraft. This is actually really educational.
Young are left-leaning and older are right-leaning:
Professor Jonathan Haidt has a nice explanation, based on moral value. Safety and stability are typical conservative moral values. And when getting older (especially after getting kids) those moral values become more prominent. And after we decided what we believe, we look for the arguments that support what we believe (reason follows instinct). "Are there reasons that I can believe something I want, and are there reasons I don't have the believe what I do not want." In the Brexit debate, a lot of people have strong opinions about the cost/benefits on an economical scale. Their outcome perfectly aligns with if they are pro-EU or pro-Brexit. And very very few actually know a lot about economics and world trade etc. (this by the way includes me, but as a Dutch person, I am allowed to have opinions about everything, as it is sort of a national sport)
Another note, I actually often find the left/right discussion confusing. Often people refer to Socialist-Capitalist when discussing Left-Right, but sometimes they mean Liberal-Conservative and other times it means Globalist-Nationalist. In The Netherlands, Jeremy's Corbyn would be considered Socialist (and very socialist for UK standards), but also mild conservative and mild nationalist. And often the second and third trade are considered right-wing.
I do think the title is right, "Why Labour lost" as it was mostly Labour loosing and not so much the Conservatives winning (when looking at vote shares).
Nationalise the moon? Sounds good.
Darth Sawlex
Space Imperialism time
A really large factor I think you missed out was the brexit party gain in a lot of northern seats. You can look at the voteshare labour lost from 2017 and look at the brexit party gain and in a lot of seats these two are nearly identical. Unfortunately for the brexit party these votes were not enough to win, leading to labour losing their majority and the seat falling to the conservatives.
Labour should have stuck to their 2017 manifesto instead of promising a confirmatory referendum on Brexit.
Though your analysis of the long term trend away from class divides is spot on, these traditionally working class seats have seen falls in labour voteshare since the Blair.
If Labour is going to move forward and win the next election they need to appeal to their traditional voterbase whilst trying to retain the cities. This means moving away from being overly metropolitian, university protest overly socially liberal party, and start looking at issues pragmaticlly e.g. brexit and listening to their northern voters on immigration. Scotland might well be a lost cause for the timebeing.
I'm a member of the Labour Party, and I was so frustrated when the party changed its brexit policy to a second referendum... I lay the blame on both blairites for helping cause this and corbynites that wanted it. Both blairism and corbynism have helped lose the north- I actually voted for Corbyn in 2015 and 2016, and loved the 2017 manifesto, but this one was overloaded, which helped lose us lots of the immediate vote, but blairism had helped cause a decline in the party a long time before this.
Even without brexit, this election would have been lost, but probably with just a small majority for the conservatives.
I'm hopeful for the candidates aside from RLB, Philips and Thornberry, but I'm not sure if starmer or nandy can create an electoral coalition between cities and traditional Labour towns, as nandy may alienate voters to the lib dems and starmer may not entice any from the tories back to Labour, though I do expect some seats that only just went tory to inevitably swing back if brexit is no longer an issue.
Can you be my new history teacher. I learn more from you XD
SMP weren’t necessarily centrist as much as they were solely dedicated towards the Remain position, which is why they could unite a few people on both sides.
I also take issue with your characterisation of working class.
You can be urban and working class, this is an odd piece of insipid propaganda that’s been woven through the neoliberal project. The class interests of the urban and rural working class are aligned.
We should nationalise this channel :P
9:04 actually we also have blue for the right and red for the left
You are completely right on calling my country weird though, we dip snails in garlic and call it a meal
I always thought snails were a stereotype of France. Glad to know it is actually real.
@@Aaron-he3qd It's a stereotype for a reason frog legs is also a delicacy in France
Cerulean Stallion. Well in Ireland where I’m from it’s a stereotype to say “top of the morning to you” but I haven’t heard one person ever say that.
apparently snails really slimey tho. How about the frogs legs aswell. They’re meant to be a French delicacy also.
I tried them once and they were kinda nice ngl..
I remember looking into the voting in my home city back when I was in school, at the time it was blue but its changed back and forth, looking into it i saw that for local areas of the city the only area that was consistently red was the inner city mostly immigrant area, all the other areas, including areas just as poor as the inner city, were far more often blue. The only real difference between these poor areas was if they were immigrant / english, and this was years ago so i'd expect this to be even more pronounced today
Brexit, it's all about Brexit. Other policies barely had any impact whatsoever
The Conservatives won the North because they openly backed Brexit. Labour took London and other cities because that's where the immigrant vote is. Liverpool will always vote Labour.
C2 is classified as Skilled Working Class fyi
14:50 I'd define the upper working/ lower middle as high skill labour and middle management. The electricians, the builder who employee 2 brickies, the team leader in a call centre and the mcdonalds manager region
Damn bro, just found out I'm the one below that. Low IQ is a stress
8:12 I don't think the age factor is getting more prominent, in fact, in this election, the crossover between when you're more most likely to switch from voting Labour to Conservative dropped by 8 years since 2017.
Labour went so far left it drove off the cliff. People weren’t attracted to corbyn and his mad policies, they could see quite clearly the kind of person he was. If labour ever wants to win again they need to go back to Blair’s Third Way (even if I’m not a fan of him). They must relearn the harsh lessons of the 70’s and 80’s!
Kektus idk, I feel like capitalism is only making things worse imo :/
Labour isn't far left, they are solidly centre-left. They lost because of Brexit, people liked their other policies
Third way politics lost us 2010 and 2015
High on metaphor, low on intelligence.
Interesting aside about Scotland is that the left->right migration doesn't seem to apply to independence->unionist split, which is one reason why the SNP has assiduously kept to a Blairite centre-left agenda (and even has a flavour of centre-right in it - post-independence most people expect something of a split). So the core independence demographic seems to ramp up at about 0.3% per year simply on population replacement.
If Scotland were to become independent then all of Britain would be plunged into yet more chaos .🤦♂️Let’s hope that most Scots prefer a reformed United Kingdom rather than a non-existent one 😬.🏴🇬🇧🇪🇺
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@@Valencetheshireman927 We don't - thankfully. Independence is inevitable now, even surveys of unionist show that most believe that Independence will happen within the next decade. You're welcome to come up and join us, we are after all an outward looking pro-internationalist nation, but most of us are past England, we're really no longer bothered about it, sure it's rather sad watching the xenophobes destroy what they had, but largely we're past caring so long as we can get out..
In the end of the day what matters is that Toycats are the best cats
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When I table talk about politics do people on both the left and right tend to give me the blame for the ills in the country, despite I never voted for any of the politicians in charge of the country (unlike the person which I talk to)... Funny how things work.
All I want is a Swexit, and since not a single one of our eight parties in parliament want to leave the EU I have to vote for parties parties that are too tiny to have a seat at parliament.
You re a fool of you want to leave the EU.
I enjoy your videos immensely, and I've never watched your main channel, just the geography videos
Imagine being a party that is meant to appeal to voters across the UK and having less seats than a regional party
Is this a reference to Lib Dems/SNP? There's a reason for that - the First Past the Post electoral system strongly favours parties whose support is geographically concentrated, as opposed to spread out across the country. Lib Dems got more votes than the SNP but the SNP got about four times as many seats because their vote is not spread across the whole country.
The problem with Labour was that they couldn’t appeal to the Hardcore Remainers in Scotland and affluent English cities, nor could they appeal to the moderate Brexiteers in their target seats.
Do you plan on covering the American 2020 election in any way? I'd really like to hear your thoughts on universal basic income and all that!
its a ridiculously stupid idea and Trump will win in a landslide. Whichever candidate the dems choose will get Corbinned off
@@MarshallLore What do you happen to mean by ridiculous idea, if you don't mind me asking? I don't think it's perfect. However if you watch Andrew Yang discuss the topic he speaks about slowly implementing it to replace welfare/disability programs which in time would lessen government spending. As well as stimulating the economy, such a program could make some groups of people more willing to contribute to society as they will be unafraid of loosing their welfare or disability. Currently you get more money for how much more disabled you are. A system witch can discourage otherwise willing volunteers to stay home in fear they will appear too "able bodied". As well as the fact that due to people having less (or no) children there are less and less people to pay into social security (which could also slowly be replaced by UBI) meaning we will have less of a support system for people who are aged and unable to work.
@J S it's been done in Alaska for years with no such issues
UBI sounds like a nice idea at first. Why not get rid of all government paper work by giving all people the same sum of money each month? People do not need to starve or being worried about robots taking all the jobs.
The reason I am skeptical of this is because all we humans have different needs. 1500 dollars per month can be enough for one person, but too little for another person. And for a millionaire wouldn't need that money.
If you are an elderly woman living in a state with a high cost of living - expensive food, expensive housing etc that money does perhaps not be enough if you also need to pay for a dentist and a new pair of glasses that month.
So therefore would I prefer another system that gives more money to those who needs it, and less to those who don't. Such a system is less wasteful with money and better helps people with their needs (food, healthcare etc).
Another problem with UBI is that it is unsustainable if you give people too much money each month.
If you give people 20.000 dollars each month then many would quit their jobs and live a good life instead. So to get people to work, companies would need to offer higher wages - which would eat up companies profits, and inflation would get higher.
And how would you pay for such a high UBI? You need to raise taxes or using the printing press. And the taxes would eat up even more of the profits for companies and the the printing press would make the inflation problems worse. And if you tax workers instead of companies, then why would any person want to work when they can live off UBI instead?
And say that America get another great economic crash like the Great depression. Millions of Americans get unemployed. Fewer people pay taxes. While millions more people need to get UBI to survive and put food on the table... and now you need to use the printing press massively to feed all unemployed people.
People who have a job see their wage being eaten up by all inflation and see no point to work anymore and would give up and leave the country, or go over to UBI.
And the entire system crashes and falls apart.
UBI is terrible idea because it leads to inflation in times of high unemployment and easily becomes unsustainable.
The other option is of course to have a very low UBI. Say 100 dollars per month.
Then you will of course have an economically sustainable system. But people will live in poverty and not getting their needs met. UBI would be like putting a plaster on an open wound where pounds of blood flows out. It is too little to do any difference to help people.
So what is the solution?
Scrap the idea of UBI. A job guarantee programme that Bernie Sanders is proposing is a better idea.
The government job will guarantee that you get a job if you are unemployed. And if you cannot find a job at a grocery store or as a nurse or whatever, then the government will give you a job.
You maybe get placed in a kindergarten, or cleaning the parks, or building infrastructure and a new energy grid. And you get paid with a minimum wage and no more - so the government does not create a problem with pushing up the wages for American companies so they cannot compete with the rest of the world.
The worker get his/her fair share. And make friends at work, and get new skills. The worker get a wage to buy stuff with - movie tickets, bread, headphones whatever - and thereby creating more sales for American companies and more jobs.
The worker at this government minimum wage job pays taxes and does not need any government handouts - which is good for the government and the tax payers. You also do not create public health problems such as depression - which is more common among unemployed. And you do help people avoid getting stuck in long term unemployment, which leads to no company wants to hire that person no matter how much that person wants to work and no matter how qualified he/she is.
This system is also not inflationary during times of economic recession - like the UBI is. And it also sustainable. And people can afford all their basic needs since the wage is set a a minimum wage level.
The government jobs are not the best paid. But when the country gets out of an economic crash you will probably be able to change your old government job, to a better paid job in the private sector. And since you have lots of job skills acquired at your old job, then this new company will be eager to hire you.
And you get a better paid job and get happy. Your company gets happy that they now can expand their business. And the government gets happy that you take a better paid job so you can pay more taxes.
So a job guarantee programme is a win-win-win for everyone.
in canada, liberal (center left) is red, conversatives (right) is blue and ndp (left) is orange.
There is basically no left right divide in Northern Ireland
Unionists are mostly right wing and nationalists tend to be left wing. The second biggest nationalist party is literally called the Social Democrat and Labour Party
Iriš/engliš divide.
There kind of is but people are more focused on unionism and nationalism so it doesn't matter as much like it does in Great Britain.
redswan music well a lot of conservative Catholics are gonna vote for sinn fein anyway and a lefty Protestant is gonna vote dup or most likely not bot at all because both parties are a fucking sham
Sinn Fein are left wing
DUP are right wing
SDLP are centre left
UUP are centre right
Alliance are centre
my area voted for labour and to remain and that’s the only thing i like about it (stretford and urmston in manchester)
Get some sleep brother! Lord knows I need it
This was very good.
Totally unbiased which is a rare thing.
I’ve been watching you for years (at least 6?) and this is one of the most fascinating videos I’ve ever seen from you. There was so much here I learned that I never hear in the US (thanks in part to our media).
Also, I totally know what you mean with the Scotland voters’ choices. I have cousins there who over the years have been very big Labour voters, voted Stay in both UK and EU, but in this election they voted SNP over the whole Brexit issue. It’s fascinating the number of levels that go into choosing your vote when there are both nat’l parties and regional parties when they are similarly placed on the spectrum.
When your constituency is so Labour that they win the 65+ category
London, like some other areas, is a labour stronghold due to ethnic demographics
Newly arrived people just looking for free stuff with no interest in the history or traditions of the Labour Party whatsoever. The Tories know you win elections by appealing to the people who hold the country together. The Howards and Hildas in the towns and villages.
Great video Toycat! Loved to learn about about UK politics through this series. To me as a Dutchie, the first-past-the-vote system seems so weird and outdated though (fun fact: in Europe only Belarus uses it as well).
ngl i would've voted count binface
I appreciate your genuine effort to present this video in a neutral manner, however whenever mentioning Labour's defeat or the Conservative's victory saying "sadly" sort of gives your view away!!!
With the young vote, it’s simple :
Everyone is in favour of socialism and government intervention until they have to pay 20%, maybe even 40%, of their income in taxes
“When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality.”
― Russell Brand
I don't mind paying tax, it's what that tax gets me and how it's spent that concerns me.
I'm a young-ish voter (mid 20s), and not for full-blown socialism. (And never have been)
I fundamentally disagree with the core tenet of socialism around individual property rights not existing.
I do also firmly believe that rampant unchecked capitalism is not the right option either.
I'm a fan of a capitalist system, with socialist checks and balances to help the less well-off, as well as nationalising industries which I do not believe should be privatised.
I'm also a firm believer in healthcare being available to those who cannot afford it, extending this thought however, I feel those who CAN afford to go with private healthcare have a moral duty to do so, such that the nationalised healthcare system is more freed up for the less fortunate.
I myself will be joining a private medical scheme soon enough due to recent changes in my income making it feasible for me to do so.
@@zwabTheRealOne
*"I'm a fan of a capitalist system, with socialist checks and balances to help the less well-off, as well as nationalising industries which I do not believe should be privatised."*
Such a rule is dumb because it is totally arbitrarily where the borders for the free market goes. What is a free market for you, is on over-regulated socialist nightmare to another person. In the 1800's did capitalists complain that England had become an over-regulated socialist nightmare because the government had banned child labor under the age of 9 in industries that were particularity brutal to them.
A very moderate and sensible regulation would most people today think.. indeed, its not even going far enough to address the problem of child labor. But in the 1800's people would call you a Communist for not respect the freedom of contract - fundamental component of Capitalism "If a seller wants to sell his labor, and buyer wants to buy it under voluntary conditions, then what is the problem?"
*"I'm also a firm believer in healthcare being available to those who cannot afford it, extending this thought however, I feel those who CAN afford to go with private healthcare have a moral duty to do so, such that the nationalised healthcare system is more freed up for the less fortunate."*
You proposal sounds wonderful if it would work. But it doesn't.
It has already been tried in USA and the result is that rich people only think about themselves and do not want to pay more taxes because of those damn "others". Especially not if many of them are negros or immigrants.
In Scandinavia on the other hand where everyone gets free healthcare - regardless if they are rich or poor - does the rich people have an incentive to pay for good healthcare and good schools. Because it will not only help the poor, but also help themselves and their own kids.
A system for everyone is perhaps more wasteful. But it is politically sustainable in getting enough support from everyone, so you do not end up with underfunded help for the poor.
@zwabTheRealOne you just described how the UK currently works mate, if you cant see that, I'm not sure what help there is for you.
Clive Lewis looks like he was molded from plastic in a laboratory
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you’ve entirely missed the point of how Scotland works.
The SNP is the only viable (in FPTP) left of centre party in Scotland, all seats in Scotland are BT’s characterised as SNP vs LD/Con marginals.
A similar process is underway in Wales, plaid is taking an an increasingly left wing stance, the left is split on unionism and nationalism, while the right of centre remains unified under Toryism and unionism, as a result Welsh seats are characterised by a Con vs Lab/PC. With labour or PC representing similar ideologies at least int he mind of the voters.
Left wing vote share has slowly increased since its nadir 2008, not enough to rupture in any election yet, due to the electoral system. Because while the right of centre vote can nearly all be captured by the conservatives, who are competitive in nearly every seat, while the left vote is fragmented nationally, and within seats, in 11/12 most marginal conservative seats in England Lab+Ld vote share was greater than the conservatives.
I think it's deliciously ironic that parties with communist overtones can't work together, but the right wing capitalists all formed a single unified party.
Sorry you're incorrect as to why us Welsh vote for Plaid. I live in Gwynedd which is basically PC voting HQ, and i can tell you with certainty its 100% because of tribalism. If you express any symptoms of voting for any other party you are most defiantly not allowed to make that known to people. Not that i cared and voted Tori and proud. But really it has nothing to do with the appeal of "slightly left leaning" politics. And its the same with Scotland, im originality from Scotland. Scots vote for SNP partly because of the tribalism of voting for a political party that is there to represent your country, but also because they saw no appeal in Labour nor Tori and most certanly not Lib Dems in this election. Another misinformation that is being spread is that they voted SNP because they dont want Brexit and want to stay in the EU, when in fact its more that they want Independence of govorment but that does not mean they would want to rejoin the EU like the SNP try and make people believe.
Anyway i just figured if give you some more info on this as your talking about me and mine. No hard feelings and i respect you did it with good spirit to help others understand. But i dont necciceraly agree the country is more appealed by left leaning politics over right, i think the majority of the country is very centrist.
I believe the his election was largely driven by core interests that in fact are not self evidently left or right leaning, and I think this uncommon, in some ways, political flexibility, partially contributes to a greater voter malleability that rewarded several axioms of current policy over historical loyalty.
Okey
It's so annoying how I speak to so many people that say they would vote for lib dem but don't because "they'll never win"
Tactical voting really is a bitch
Here in Sweden the social democrats has less support from the young generation. And the center right parties have more support here. It seem to be the opposite in UK
Because you're hippie leaders elected by stupid boomers destroyed the spirit of the country and turned it from the safest country in Europe to the hand grenade and rape capital of the developed world. They pissed on the young for the sake of diversity and they're lucky they don't get hung by them for treason
@@kazsmaz Our so called center right parties are just like the LIbdems.
There is really not much difference if you vote green, liberal or for the center party here in Sweden... they are same shit with a different name.
And the social democrats are as charming as a wet paper bag. While the left party is a somewhat more moderate and boring version AOC in America. The Sweden democrats are basically like UKIP, but recently they have sold out their voters and have become pro-EU instead. And the two conservative parties here in Sweden are a little more left-wing in economic and social issues than the Tories in the UK and the GOP in USA.
@@kazsmaz Don't trust the internet when you hear something about Sweden.
@@isaks7042 I'm less inclined to trust a Swede about Sweden. You people are so blind to the world and your own issues. Grenade attacks happen nowhere else in Europe. Your fucked.
Nattygsbord What about Alternative for Sweden? Are they a real right wing/nationalist party?
How the fuck did this guy, who does overly excited minecraft videos, upload a fairly unbiased and well informed video on British politics, and somehow not try and push an agenda of some kind.
Great video my guy.
Being unbiased really isn’t that hard
@@paddystrongjaw9995 Nah it really is.
@@allenkennedy99 explain how
@@paddystrongjaw9995 Tell me in simple terms what Donald Trump has done in his 4 years in office. I'm sure you'll have no issues being unbiased as you do that.
@@allenkennedy99 He was President of the United States of America, and in the current standings of affairs he should be until January 20, 2021.
My region is one of 6 where the Conservatives got a seat in Scotland. Mon Bojo
So when are we bring the BUF back fellas?
Caden Parks England lives and marches on!
They lost because everyone hated Corbyn
Without fail
Not "without fail". Clearly, the people who voted for him didn't hate him. I don't hate him. In fact, I'd probably have voted Labour if I wasn't in Scotland.
I would have vote corbyn
That English Chapy yes but you’re on youtube so you’re a young person. it’s like law you vote labour.
@@sadisticsalmon7323 Nope. I'm young too and I wouldn't vote for him if it were the last thing I did.
Carlos Danger it was a joke commenting on how heavily left the youth is. i myself at too young to vote but if i could i would vote tory, i believe capitalism is the best way forward
Can't wait for Scotland to leave the union. It's become very clear our populations have different priorities that Westminster can't cater to.
That Winston Churchhill quote is not him it is commonly misattributed
Fact N Fiction who’s is it
The best thing labour could do would be stop calling your opponents racist lol
I think Dan Jarvis should stand for leader of the labour party
Agreed. He'd be perfect.
Him or Andy Burnham.
The UK parliament is will overdue for a boundary review. Look at how many marginal seats Scotland has. The SNP get about 80% of the seats with less than 50% of the vote. A boundary review could make the 2024 general election very interesting.
That doesn’t concern boundaries, that concerns the voting system actually used, the system being First Past the post
@@paddystrongjaw9995 a boundary reviews "would" make a lot of difference, even with first past the post.
Or maybe it's because people reject corbynism and socialism
Or maybe it’s because people hate immigrants
@@yotsura2109 i do dont you?
The proletariat will rise! Long live socialism, long live Jeremy Corbyn!
Dylan Kane no
Dylan Kane Lol what dude. You’re acting like he’s a king or something
You should allow us to become a member on this channel
Canada has it the worst. You win Ontario and Quebec, you've won the whole thing.
In the UK Scotland have swung the results of an election once in the past 50 years, they feel like they have no influence over modern politics in the UK
1:43 They’d have 366 seats, one for every day of this leap year if Richard Tice hadn’t spilt the leave vote in Hartlepool.
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Conventional wisdom seems to be that working class people are more socially conservative than the more middle class leaders and activists of Labour. I think that's leaving out something very important. Traditionally, social conservatism has been inspired by religion, constitutionalism, patriotism or some such factor, as it still is (though I'd argue to a lesser extent these days) in the USA. Yet, the UK is far less religious, very few people understand or care about our (unwritten) constitution and people who are apparently patriotic can't help but find dozens of reasons to hate this country whenever they pick up their favourite tabloid.
In my view, the apparent social conservatism of the working class is inspired not by actual conservatism, but more by a hatred, or more accurately a jealousy, of the middle class and a need for a scapegoat. The Conservatives managed to play into that very well.
The left have called the working class backward countryside voters, losers, incels, racists, gammons, too low educated and stupid to vote etc... so no wonder that the working class feels no love for the urban middle class left who despise them so much only for disagreeing with them in humble way on immigration or Brexit.
The middle class left got no one to blame but themselves for being hated by everyone else.
And as a leftwinger I do feel stronger ties with patriotism, family values, western values, than I do with the things that the new left propagate for: hatred of your own country. Love for the EU. Love for multiculturalism and islam.
Cheering for the destruction of the nuclear family and obsessing about exotic sexual minorities.
I think the left should be about serving the working class instead of looking down upon them with contempt.
You can say that it is not the working class that have made an unholy alliance with the capitalist class.
Rather it is the middle class champagne socialists who have done so.
It is they who support the neoliberal EU. It is they who divert attention away from important issues about democracy, online-privacy, freedom of speech and the economy to instead talk about sexist air conditioning, colorblind racism, and cultural appropriation.
It is the left who are useful idiots to the rich by wanting to open borders to push down wages and crash the welfare state which the poor are most reliant upon.
It is the left who want to make the nation-state weaker, so that big corporations can get away with more things, avoid paying taxes, avoid regulations, and being able to blackmail governments into giving them more concessions.
It is all the Limousine liberals that work as guard dogs for big corporations to protect them from criticism.
And words like "sexism" and "racism" is now used as a shield against valid criticism of people in power.
@@nattygsbord Makes homophobic, xenophobic, and potentially racist remarks. Complains that people call them racist etc :/
@@nattygsbord I'm a right-winger, so you're doing my job for me in making the left look bad. Frankly, I think it's ridiculous to pretend that the majority of the left are anything like what you've described. If anything, it makes you look like your worldview is informed by watching feminist cringe compilations rather than actually talking to leftists.
However, I think you make a good point in how the left are mostly holding up the status quo of neoliberalism. Of course, I'm completely happy with that. I'm sorry to break it to you, but since Reagan and Thatcher, neoliberalism and free trade has lifted more people out of poverty than socialism ever could. In fact, free trade has been lifting millions in Asia out of the squalid conditions socialism left them in since the 20th century.
I know it's an uncomfortable fact to acknowledge, but high wages and overly generous welfare serve only to make nations weaker. A highly competitive labour market will always be far more productive and will life far more people out of poverty than strangling job creators with high wages. I have to admit that open borders are an excellent way of achieving that.
I'm sure I've missed out a few of your points, so if there's any in particular you'd like me to address, I'd be happy to oblige.
The working class vote doesn't exist anymore (not only in the UK)
There are still working class people in the UK so surely their vote still exists.🤔
@@Valencetheshireman927 by "working class vote" I meant the workers that used to vote for leftist parties. They are getting rarer
@@younes6286 I'd probably say the best examples of a working class vote in the UK is Liverpool and the Wirral (only city fully Labour/red)
As a rightwinger I can tell you 4 things.
1. There exist no classes and have never done so.
2. Class differences have existed in the past, but no longer do so today, so therefore it is irrelevant to talk about classes today.
3. Class differences have been increasing the last 3 decades, but that is the fault of leftwing politics!!
4. Class differences are only a good thing and it is good when the wealth inequalities are increasing, since it is good that people gets rewarded for getting educated, working hard and taking responsibility and choose to become rich.
@@nattygsbord Left wing politics are to blame for class inequalities?! The whole point of the political left is to remove or at least shrink class inequalities. Ever heard of a little left wing thing called communism?
ToyCat Incorrectly Explained the British Social Class System:
A = Upper (Rich)
B = Middle
C1 = Upper Working
C2 = Lower Working
D = Shorterm Unemployed
E = Longterm Unemployed
The Wikipedia page disagrees - but either way defining class is super hard to do
@@ibx2cat I was wrong.
Can we just get a quick f for my man Jeremy?
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Studies have actually shown people don't change their ideas or party identity often it's more that either the overton window has moved left (at least on social policy) causing people to vote for a party which now better represents them on the right but also the age divide has historically also been caused by poor people dying, both from accidents in dangerous jobs and also poverty making people die young.
I think the world follows international trends.
1930s: USA goes west, the rest of the world follows.
1980s: USA goes right, the rest of the world follows.
2016 USA goes populist, the rest of the world follows.
I also think that humans are a creature which is also good at seeing patterns in everything - even in things where no such pattern exist. Correlation does not equal causation.
in 2017 they had the same leader and the same policies but a different brexit stance.
Manifesto was arguably more left wing. Think they should go back to 2017. 2019 was just too much too offer. Thats part of it but not all of it.
@@albal156 yeah the poor handling of anti-semitism also meant that the labour seats were going to somewhat drop away. If the manifesto had been kept similar to 2017 I would say that Boris may have gotten a majority, just a small one.
One thing I don't like the blue seats because I can't get medicine I need for free anymore which actually angers me
I can finally GET BREXIT DONE(in 4 years)
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What is this labour party you speak of? I only know the red party and the blue party.
When your young your naive and believe the public sector can fix things as you get older you discover individuals and private owners are more effective and better then the collective at fixing things
NihilistSolitude when you’re old and still naïve you will learn that young people don’t like it when you preach
@@jamesdavison1786 not preaching just an observation
Ps I'm in the younger demographic so guess we are doubly naive.
1966 election, Labour got a majority of around 60 returning Harold Wilson to power for 4 more years while the Conservatives under Ted Heath didn’t even gain a single seat. Next election in 1970 Ted Heath and the Conservatives gained a comfortable majority of around 20, which may I add was against almost every opinion poll.
In the US, young voters have lots of liberal passion, but cant be bothered to vote (except for Obama). Same in UK?
Joey Suggs we feel as though our vote doesn’t matter. If hundreds of thousands of young don’t vote, should I? That’s what’s going on
Yeah, it seems to be like that everywhere.
I think elderly sees voting as a social obligation. While young people have more this idea that parties needs to earn their vote, or otherwise they stay home. Personally I think this is a dumb idea. If you do feel all parties are shit - like I do - then why not take the liberty to follow your heart and vote for a party which will not win?
My vote is pointless in this election, but if everyone is stacking up their votes over time, then this party might perhaps come into parliament. That is how I reason atleast :)
The politicians troll me with their shitty policy proposals, and I troll them by voting for something else instead.
They are not fucking entitled to my vote. They need to not bend a fucking knee on important issues, or they can fuck off and forget my vote.
The EU parliament elections have I never cared about. I stayed home for all 3 last ones.
The method to actually get more of us to vote and change things may well be to push the idea you have of voting for any other than the main parties through either hijacking a party as one to protest vote for or getting enough people together to organise one. May be strange but if you if you frame something as a protest sticking it to the establishment it'll probably be more motivating than the responsibility/shaming angle.
In Malta, politics is (traditionally) divided into, North and South.
- Nationalist Party (North) (Blue)
- Labour Party (South) (Red)
However, the Labour Party in the last 2 (2013 and 2017) Elections beat up the Nationalist Party by a lot.
Labour 'Strongholds' in Malta:
-The Three Cities (Cottonera):
-Senglea (L-Isla)
-Vittoriosa (Il-Birgu)
-Cospicua (Bormla)
-Kalkara
-Paola (Rahal Gdid)
-Marsa
-Zejtun
-Xghajra (and Smart City)
-Zabbar
-Marsaskala (Wied il-Ghajn)
-Zurrieq
-Dingli
-Hamrun
Nationalist 'Strongholds' in Malta:
-Sliema
-St. Julian's (San Giljan)
-Swieqi
-Naxxar
-Gharghur
-Attard
-Lija and L-Iklin
-Balzan
-Mgarr (Malta)
-Ghajnsielem (Gozo)
-Victoria (Rabat, Gozo)
-Mdina (Malta)
Nationalist 'Strongholds' in Malta, BEFORE 2013, that were lost (for the first time) to Labour:
-Birkirkara (Lost Between 2013-2017)
-Valletta (Lost in 2017)
-Mosta (Lost in 2017)
-Siggiewi (Lost in 2019)
Couldnt the north just outfuck the south and always win within a generation?
@@Wiggyam What do you mean exactly?
if the UK had the New Zealand electoral system you would have a minority labour party and if had the Australian electoral system you would have a minority conservative government with no majority in the upper house.
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could you elaborate? I don't know how NZ or AUS elections work
KZstu
For simplicity sake, The NZ system is proportional to the vote so you would see a Left Wing alliance of Labour, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru and Liberal Democrats winning around %54 of the seats while the Australian model is preferential voting for the house while proportional for the senate; So you would see the Conservatives with the help of second preferences/MPS from the BREXIT Party due to their geographical advantage winning the House while losing the Senate to the alliance of the Left Wing parties.
Yo where my boy *Count Binface* at?
The 18 to 24 vote in the UK would elect Stalin. And then ban open elections. Then they went for Toycat videos.
That’s incorrect since most young people are liberal and generally like democracy .
Mate. I could say they exact same thing about 65+ electing Hitler, but I wouldn't cus it's a stupid argument
What a silly prejudice. But I would still vote in daddy Stalin
Have another line of coke, I can still understand some of what you're saying.
Thanks interesting, could you do other countries like Canada and Austrialia or New Zealand but NOT the USA.
If he does America an army from both sides will try and ruin the video
Roy GRUTCHFIELD why not USA
Maybe an African country
The main difference between the young and the old is responsibility. As you grow older you are likely be be concerned with supporting your children, property, pension, health, income etc. Labour hold the cards on health which is possibly why more women than men vote Labour.
This comment section is split between people complimenting Toycat on his impartialness and anti-corbynists.
This may be a wacky idea but if you're attracting anti-corbynists so much maybe you aren't as impartial as the people you've hearted in this comment section say.
Still love your videos though
It's attracting anti-corbinists because they like fair no biased political breakdowns. Compared to borbinists who like to conform their biases.
"It's attracting people who dislike the same person I dislike because in a fair political breakdown everyone will dislike the same person I dislike."
Cool ig... I myself am not even that big of a fan of Corbyn but if I were the people in the comments, to make things fair, I would also mention Johnson's continuous record of racism and sexism(especially during his days in journalism), I'd also mention how he literally hid in a fridge from an interviewer and other of his misdeeds alongside those of Corbyn.
On top of that Toycat has satirized plenty of times Corbyn's suggested policies yet barely said a thing about those of the Tories. I still remember how he jokingly said that Labour voters are ludicrous for believing the Tories might sell the NHS a few weeks ago and yet that exact thing is happening right now.
Also what even are "borbinists"
I think RUclips comments tend to lean rightwards, no matter what opinion I express. Or more accurately, I guess RUclips comments are super pro populism, whether left or right. That means you get much more brexity comments and much more pro Johnson / anti Commie on every video I post, regardless of if I say anything haha
@@ibx2cat Thank you for the response! And yeah... I really hope it's what you said
Put something bad under an objective lens and it will appear bad.
Pro-corbynists are therefore likely to avoid more unbiased commentaries, as in their own view they are in fact NOT unbiased, as they expose the utter failure of corbyn and his politics.
Ireland has a general election next month
i’m proud Boston and Skegness won’t turn labour if only 18-24 year olds voted