Why the HEALER STRIKE is DUMB and IRRELEVANT in FFXIV DAWNTRAIL!!!
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
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I'm not about doing the whole mental gymnastics again, if youve come to criticise answer these 2 questions first
If YOU dont like it, Why should it change for the majority?
If im disrespectful for this take why is it perfectly respectable for you to call current healing brain dead?
Your first question is nonsensical, given that there's been plenty of changes not wanted by the majority put into the game. The recent viper changes is just one example.
To your second one, healing isn't a person. It doesn't feel or care what you do. It's simply a largely useless role in a game clinging to the husk of the trinity in gaming. Those who play the job, and voice disagreements about it, however are people and there should be a level of respect even if you disagree.
1. The entire healing community has been asking for changes in healer gameplay to be more involved than pressing one button FOR YEARS.
2. Because frankly, you are being disrespectful yourself. Two wrongs don't make a right, and there are plenty of legitimate criticisms. But the only attention you attract are toxic and non-constructive, because that's a reflection of the rage-bait content you make.
@@GENKI_INU the entire healing community hasnt been asking for this, if you played through content and actively enjoyed ff14, doing all sorts of content, you would see that people struggle with healing already. Hence why they keep adding more and more healing actions to other classes so they can be involved and help out in a pinch.
most of you dont get the point, why healers only have 1-5 damage actions, you are supposed to be looking at teammembers and mechanics in order to heal up everyone, and you constantly have to adjust in every different group you join. so you get dps players who fuck up from time to time in savage, in extremes, normal content, same as tanks and you, as healer, have to constantly adjust and learn to deal with those situations. so your argument of "ONE BUTTON FOR YEARS" is the most insane shit i have heard. oh you want them to have 15 buttons for damage just like the other classes while also having the 20 healing buttons?? so i have to focus on my whole rotation , every other player who can fuck up any second, boss mechanics aswell???
oh yes in a perfect world , where no one makes mistakes, where everything is written down perfect .. then you would need 15 buttons more for a dps rotation, but you sir, quite frankely are over your own head on this one.
having played this game since shadowbringers, doing extremes, savages, normal content, bozja/eureka, for years now, with every class and mostly on tanks/healers , i can say with confidence that there is quite a few people who never use mitigations as DPS role, a few people who use their tank mitigations wrong, quite a few healers who are overwhelmed when situations get tough and other people make mistakes.
so quite honestly, im positive that the healer role is good as it is now.
tanks are also the most broken classes they have ever been, they shouldnt have so much self healing, warriors being able to solo content designed for 8 people.. or them tanking/self healing enough to being able to go 3dps 1 tank in dungeons is also bad.
so next time dont speak for a entire community, and please get some real experiences before doing so.
upload a video of you going into every extreme the past years, you and your other healer are only allowed to click ONE BUTTON, and then yu will have your answer quite quickly , why in FACT you cant just press one button.
take care. o/
I agreed with the concept at first--that maybe WAR is a little too OP, but realized it only applies to a perfect run where no one makes any mistakes.... and how often does that happen in DF? I've been playing healer recently just for fun and I'm having to rez and rescue people left & right. Maybe when everyone is a master-expert who never makes any mistakes it's fine to not have a healer but as soon as people start making mistakes and taking vuln stacks not having a healer is gonna turn into a right disaster real quick.
I actually want to see someone 3 dps one of the new expert dungeons
This is also week 1 where everyone is min ilvl and hasn't mastered the fights yet. Come back and say this again after 6 months has gone by and everyone has ran those dungeons about 300 times each and are 40-50 ilvls up on the content. There will be almost nothing to heal, I can promise you - provided the tank has hands, that is.
@@illuminatin6497 when I said I was "rezzing and rescuing people left and right" I was not talking about DT dungeons. I'm talking about duty Roulette which is mainly dungeons that have been out for years, so that would seem to pretty conclusively prove you are wrong
@@swiftxrt sadly, this seems to be something of a common thread I’ve noticed since this whole drama started. The people complaining about how “healers are irrelevant” lack media literacy and basic comprehension skills, since they fail, time and time again, to understand that “dungeon finder” isn’t “dawntrail” or that “perfect run by 4 god players” isn’t “literally the rest of the player base”
It’s kinda sad, but I wish these people the best. Maybe one day, they will return the kindness.
Also, is it just me or are the people doing the healer strike not actually healers? Like, I’ve never seen a healer main complain about “healers being useless in DT” just dps.
The local War bros havent even noticed the strike lol
exactly XD
I'll start taking most of the Healers in the strike seriously when I see their Savage and Ultimate clears.
Hardest content they probably play is alliance raid roulette and leaving if Syrcus Tower doesn't pop.
I do agree when your talking about job difficulty u absolutely have to build.the argument on the most difficult content .
Let me preface this by saying that, while I’m a main healer, I wasn’t part of the strike for the simple reason that I pretty much only do high end content and none of the issues people raised affected me.
That being said, as far as I understand it, the complaints were mainly about EW and how healing was indeed more boring and easy than in, say, ARR. There’s a problem when expert dungeons are easier to heal than lvl 20/30 content. As for “no single role is strictly *needed* for dungeons - sure, but doing a 4 man with 3dps/1t is easier than standard comp bc it’s so much faster, where as doing 3dps/1h is slower and decidedly not easier.
Like I said - I don’t do normal content if I can absolutely avoid it so none of that affects me, but I do understand where those people are coming from. “Okay, so do high end content where healing is more engaging” - unfortunately high end content is locked behind the requirement of either committing to static hours every week, or spending hours waiting in partyfinder 🤷♀️
“Okay, but striking won’t help” - then what will? There have been threads for years talking about this. It’s true that the strike ended up not changing queue times, but it did get media attention I guess?
“This is dividing the community!” - it is because there’s a lack of solidarity and empathy for layering who bring up legitimate issues, not because players are bringing up issues. Like I said, none of this affects me, but it’s not hard for me to muster up the empathy to understand why others would be bothered.
In closure, I actually think the healing in DT has been a lot more fun than it was before (I did do normal content to get through msq obviously), but that’s probably in huge part due to the fact that barely anyone was synced down. I’m not sure if this was just natively going to happen, or if the years of feedback did something.
Okay - Answer me this question
Why should a few peoples experience mean this has to change for everyone ?
What are these people smoking when they think that healing in ARR is hard and EW isn't
You barely have to heal in ARR and every class has to push 2 buttons
My response to the premise that “what will work we’ve been asking about this forever!” Yeah and the developers listened to you. Back in stormblood people complained that healing was too difficult to manage with a dps rotation so the developers fixed it. You want things to change but you just don’t like it when they do change.
@@fencingfireferret1188 that’s true but I was there in the official forums when it happened and the people complaining about it now they were also complaining back then so don’t act like people are blameless. You ask for something be prepared for the consequences. Or you know if you don’t enjoy healing maybe play a different role? Cause there are plenty of people who like healing how it is now. You can’t please everyone
@@bighatastreajob were way different in ARR era compared to the current ARR I think that’s what they mean. XD
I didn't even realize there was a healer strike xD
Most don't XD but dw just rest easy in the knowledge that Karen isn't healing dungeons right now demanding change XD
I've been noticing some healers not doing anything in dungeons I play so I put my tank busters on them.
Ive had that once, Litteraly once on launch day a healer queued in for the first dt dungeon ( spoiler free ) and then in the dungeon only dpsed refused to heal and told us clearly they were on strike. We told them clearly goodbye and kicked them before the first boss
@@MythSamael Lol, must've missed the part of the manifesto where they claim they're not trying to disrupt other peoples experience. Always sounded like BS to me anyway, that's the entire point of a strike. Still, good on you for kicking him.
haha me and the discord mod i was playing with was in pure shock when it happened, like we thought they were meming at first
@@MythSamael what a jerk. if they're on strike, they just shouldn't queue as a healer at all
not queue as a healer and then not heal. that's top-tier wanting to have your cake and eating it too
I always thought the strike was a little dumb seeimg as it started from a pro using Warrior, the most self sufficient tank that often invalidates healers, and a pro using red mage, a class that can literally replicate healer.
And everytime i point out what rez mage can do, the only counter i got was that it wasnt a healer.
Yup just silly sausages with there mental gymnastics
I could understand this one with no subtitles. I’m getting stronger!
Your learning , your growing , you are achieving new heights my friend
Honestly I haven't even heard of a Healer strike until now.
that doesnt suprise me, apparantly it was smaller then even i thought
2/3 of those "ambassadors" were on "strike" since Shadowbringer. This little stunt reminds me of a young kid leaving a room screaming and slamming the door with all their strengh... to see them 5 secondes later discretely peek to see the effects of their tantrum.
XD exactly how I felt . Also if they were the cream of the crop when it comes to the healer strike then yikes . I mean one of them argued that they should be allowed to just heal bot and not damage XD
Interestingly the only queue I end up waiting for as a healer is normal raids. So I can drag queue people into stone vigil hard by force to harvest those flawless alexandrites for my zodiac grind.
:O wait do u not solo your zodiac grind
Diamondback makes that impossible since the blue mage spells to do it solo are unavailable. Only lost city (some dps excluded) and stone vigil hard are impossible to do solo with free trial restrictions
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I remember telling a friend of mine about some of the demands being made and he was dumbfounded by them wanting to effectively remove abilities from the kits of Warriors.
Mind you, he hasn't played FFXIV but he does definitely know a thing or two about the importance of maintaining the kit of a character/class (he plays Smite).
The whole strike from the get go was dumb in my eyes, as those leading the charge didnt have any endgame clears and the rest who followed them couldn't make up their minds about what they wanted. Its was a disjointed mess that felt more like a cry for attention rather than a desire to change the game to make healers fun.
Also, if I ever ran into a healer who decided to queue up then grief the dungeon because of the strike, I'd either report them or chew them out. Protesting is fine, i support protests. Once it starts to negatively impact others though, thats when I take issue. At least in FFXIV, whole cities won't become the modern day equivalent of Dresden
haha like i said i had a grand total of 1 on launch day show up to the first dt dungeon and was only dpsing no matter what, we asked him if he was gunna heal and he said no hes on strike hes just dpsing this dungeon.
we said okay...and kicked him
"Pull off the gloves to bare knuckle a dumb cluck" is now forever a part of my vocabulary. Thank you for this gift.
You are more then welcome XD
Did that even happen outside of twitter? I only learned about it through a similar thread on reddit that didn't even get much attention. Felt like 10 people or so did that and then just continued as always, didn't see anyone mention it ingame, nor were there any queue problems
Edit: Oh wait, literally on release day daily queue I met one healer who came in naked- Like, without ANY equipment. They wrote in chat that they don't understand why they don't deal any damage. No one else reacted, I just wrote "lmao" because I thought it was kinda funny, what a silly goober. After the first mob group he equipped stuff again, but it was the Praetorium anyway. Not sure if he was just memeing
Haha ive bumped into 1 healer aswell on launched day in first dt dungeon ( not naming to avoid spoilers ) they only dpsed and when asked about it they said they were on the healer strike. We were like oh cool.... and kicked them before first boss
I'm playing at elemental DC didnt see any healer strike at all. Once I had a healer that is always dead on the boss fight due to mechanics (maybe its his 1st time there or not a main healer) on high lv dungeon, but the tank and dps can carry us to complete the boss fight with no problem
If there was a strike, it was from Tanks leveling something else, cause tanks are always in need since Early Access. There have only been a small handful of times I have seen "healers in need" in duty finder. Or I just wait 5 minutes and it is tank again.
honestly the response to this video tells me enough, it really was such a short amount of people
Reminds me of that guy who was complaining about how Dawntrail dungeons are too hard only to have someone dig up a post of him complaining about how Heavensward Dungeons were too easy.
Yup gotta lost post histories
I meam compaired to ew and shb they are much harder and many are happy they are but not single one of them the target audience for that content while it target audience is pissed of it casual content now is annjoying .
You don't even have to be a pro/elite gamer to run 1 tank and 3 DPS in a dungeon to moderately clear it.
Xenos' party make up was ... A Warrior (self sustaining) 2 Melee (Second Wind + Bloodbath) and a Red Mage (VerCure and VerRaise) ... ANYONE can do this.
You can even do that with Paladin and Gunbreaker, and Switch out the Red Mage with a Summoner.
Hell... why don't we just run a 4 man DPS, I'm sure a few party configurations can get the job done... I'm curious as to how they can manage Tank Busters... BUT if AvyCatte could do it with all healers, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to figure out.
Honestly i want to see a 3 dps run of the new expert dungeons. That would be impressive
@@MythSamael Agreed... now I'm tempted to organize it once I get there.
I'm not a healer main, I'm a DPS main, so take what I say how you want. If the healers want some changes, allow them to have those changes. However, why should Tank and DPS mains have to suffer and lose their self healing abilities because a minority of these fools want the Healer role to be more engaging?
I often find most healers to be lacking at their own role, which is why I rely on the self healing abilities for DPS.
honestly its simply the fact the majority of these people are basing the lack of difficulty on dungeons...they dont do the hard content. If it was hard to heal the easiest content then it would be impossible to heal in the hardest
After playing this game for years, as a red mage and dps main, I decided to actually try playing and learning astrologian in dawntrail because of the healerstrike. Its actually fun. It has that micromanagement feeling that tickles that part of the brain like I am playing one of those games for managing and a building civilization. Like sure, the dps buttons are there, and I should press them if I don't need to use my other buttons, but its more of a filler button for when things are fine.
I havnt tried it yet but ive heard mixed reviews but am excitedf
@@MythSamael I would say the mixed reviews partially come from those who are, for lack of a better term, "chaos gremlins". They want the rng that came with the cards. When I listened to that discord call Xeno had, the healers there liked dancer which also comes with quite a bit of rng for its dps.
Like maybe its just fresh eyes on the job, but for a job that is about divination and choosing which future to give power to, thereby manipulating the future to the whims of the astrologian, it seems weird it would still beholden to chaos.
I've been leveling healers and the comments I get about how other healers haven't been doing their job just pisses me off it's like why bother even playing if you're gonna complain when you yourself already make things easy.
I'm still healing in roulettes, I quite enjoy it sometimes, I see the flaws of the job but going on a strike seems a little extreme to me.
I love current sage, its the healer i leveled for the role quests
I am enjoying my quick healer queues :D Recently I also spotted a lot of healers have problems adjusting. as a DRK main lvling roulette is not only a dung roulette but also deal or no deal when it comes decent person to keep me from crying when my LD is on cooldown. ;-;
Haha I don't want to post spoilers but the 2 new experts have been an interesting experience XD
Couldn't agree more XDDD
Notice how in the echo chambers where these complaints take place, they all think they're in that upper percentile of players? Yet in game you see an abundance of people who haven't the foggiest what they're doing.
The need to be seen as 'good and insightful' seems to drive a lot of people to jump on the complain-train.
Couldn't say it better
I was hoping I'd get some goodies in the duty finder as a healer, but it's still all tanks.
I'd play tank, but I have a poor sense of direction. Also don't know a lot of dungeons and always worry about going too slow for people.
I pkay ESO a lot because healers are more in demand there.
I play all roles in ff14 but I’m a tank and melee main (specifically DRK and RPR, yes, I go brrrrrr a lot :3) and so long as the healers I get aren’t toxic fuckwits, I do everything in my power to prop them up, bolster their voice and make sure they aren’t stressed, since I’ve been the neglected healer. It sucks when a healer has a bad tank that acts as if by you existing they have a permanent invulnerability bubble up and can do whatever they want with no care for consequences, or when you have that one brainlet dps who tries to collect vuln stacks like their freaking limited edition Pokemon cards. But that’s the exception more than the rule. I think the general player base could be a tad more considerate to healers since, while they might not be top dps or pulling all the big bois in a dungeon, for all but the most elite players, a healer is the sole thing stopping you from dying. I’m a tank, and if not for healers, how would I be able to do my job? Mitigations can only help so much.
TLDR: don’t believe the strikers. We love all you healer mains because if we didn’t have you, we wouldn’t have groups or clears. Sooo, let’s all relax and watch the sunset in tuliyolal, okie?
well said x
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Healers who don't play anything harder than dungeons and trials should NOT be dictating the balance of classes. Thank god the devs seem to be smart enough to not listen to them.
coudnt agree more, Its weird they say there not being entitled but refuse to tell us why there thoughts means it needs to change for everyone
EXACTLY! Especially when you consider their "demands" / "manifesto". 😂 As a Savage Healer I *did* feel some things were not engaging enough, but just seeing how they've approached boss mechanics....... I think we're gonna have fun.
Also YES. It has *always* been possible 😂
I end up using my whole kit in dungeons since the start of shb BECAUSE of the difficulty with wall to wall pulls and in trials. It's just more efficient.
And then I hear "all I do is spam glare or cure 2" ok are you in ARR??? "No I'm doing high level content" and it's wall to wall? "Yeah" HOW... I'm burning through most my kit just getting to the boss vs the expensive gcds which again are expensive so they're bad to spam
Think the leveling experience can be very dull as Healer unless the party is making frequent mistakes, I would say maybe it'd be nice if Healers had a more fun kit for attacking, but then that gets in the way when you actually need to heal, which isn't rare.
If Tanks had less self-healing, that could in casual and perhaps "midcore" content help the Healer not feel so vestigial, it may not be where the challenge is at, but it's still where you devote a significant amount of time.
That said, if a player doesn't enjoy the healer kit, maybe it's better to play another role? Or maybe try PvP? Personally I like playing as Scholar just fine
But of course you do have to remember not only are the job mechanics all the same, the fight mechanics are too! For as an extremely wise man once said, to complete any mechanic: "just stand and let thing resolve"
Then what do you say to healers who do harder content who say this is the same issue they face. And when it comes to group optimization, once people have the content on farm, the first thing you drop is the second healer in favour of a 5th dps.
I played through Dawntrail as. A Healer the only boss i had trouble ahem my party had trouble with was a boss alot of ppl seemed to have issues with the first boss of the dungeon leading to the end of Dawntrail PS: i hope that wasnt too spoilery for those that havnt finished yet :)
i love the dungeon design honestly and i think the difficulty of the new expert dungeons are a breath of fresh air
Also healer strike is definitely stupid i wont go as far as striking over but i personally have watched A few tanks here and their act like the rest of the party isnt there with a boss at half health makes me want to have control over a spotlight so i can shine it on the tanks so it can be even more of a show lol
At least 20% of ffxiv players need mental help... just look at the full on re ta rd takes on the graphics Update...
XD! Your not wrong
Strikes need considerable backing and/or cause considerable disruption to be effective and thats just not possible in an online game like this.
Like you said participation is a better way to get complaints and issues adressed. There's still no guarantees, for example DRK has NEEDEd a defensive boost and self heal... basically forever. Before GBR where it was top of the tank DPS... cool. But GBR has better defensives AND better DPS. It even looks like the last bastion of "Why platy DRK" (A better opening burst) is also going out the window for GBR.
Some things can and should be changed, but other things are just part of the game (For example I doubt Healer's are going to get a real DPS rotation.) A strike is just not going to work. Organize a healer sit in or something with an itemized and supported list of concerns.
Your making to much sense stop its not as cool as being angry on the internet and insulting all the more casual players !
On the topic of DRK, it's a bind... you could have them do higher dps to make up for low self-sustain, but dps is the alpha and omega of the game, so it could quickly go cursed in terms of a meta... I don't recall if it was that bad during that period of time in EW when DRK did do close to the most dps of the tanks.
Personally I don't mind needing to "work a little harder" to stay alive, but pandora's box has been opened and as much as I could say "bring other tanks back down" that will simply feel bad for those jobs... Also I have to admit it feels bad as a DRK main to get to a point where I think. "... I could cheese this a lot easier if I was one of the other tanks" (although I'm not someone who likes to solo a boss with considerable hp left, seems rude and inconsiderate to the other party members).
I'm not sure what the solution is, I could only imagine the devs are reluctant to do much more about this because of fear of accusations of job homogenization.
@hundset yeah, running DRK can be pretty rewarding in that "I have a tough kit, and I'm still kicking it!"
Personally I think the thing to do is to up their damage. The tanks are nearly in harmony.
Pally and Warrior are natural main tanks, GBR and DRK are your off tanks. The former two have better self sustain, the latter 2 have better damage.
That makes perfect sense to me. Specially looking at the level 100 kits.
"Organize a healer sit in or something with an itemized and supported list of concerns."
You mean exactly like they in the opening post of the strike thread? Are you blind, or intentionally burying your head in the sand?
@fencingfireferret1188 except that is not what most folk are doing, and the fact that these concerns are kept largely secret and most can't raise a point other then "OMG A PRO PLAYER DID SOMETHING THATS BEEN POSSIBLE BASICALLY SINCE ARR!"
I have ran into some folks who have substance on the issue, but the majority are not.
I've been a white mage main for 9 years now for 8 years I didn't level other jobs. (unless you count the few points into thurmaturge and one other job I needed for my Whitemage
That was certainly a throwback !
@@MythSamael I think it was arcanist and thurmaturge. At any rate if you look at the dungeons we got in dawntrail, the EXs, and the kits all healers got... We got what we wanted.
You know these people on the forums they don't know what they want. They have the audacity to make it sound like they are bored in Savage and Ultimates it's bs.
Their complaints are always nonsensical and incoherent.
Originally they wanted all healers to have DPS rotations like how Tanks have their 1-2-3... when they got eventually talked down to just adding a few dps buttons which is more reasonable.
And we did get that this expansion. Glare 4 is no Aero 3 but it feels very satisfying to use. They also managed to avoid button bloat by repurposing buttons to have dual functions.
They've done their homework.
Now when I started playing back in the day Whitemage was the worst healer among the three. We had our day in Stormblood where we finally became too good to refuse.
But even in the old days to now you could always run with whatever. A lot of the people who complain to me sound like jaded Scholar or Astrologian players... but the gods honest truth is things never changed that much as a Whitemage. Now people think about things like Cleric Stance or fluid aura as if they made our job deep and complex.
They didn't! Needing an on/off switch to dps is terrible and is about as skilled as turning on a faucet. You weren't weaving fluid aura for it's 150 potency.
You were spaming stone. Or spaming holy.
So a lot of these jaded healers... they can't be coming from the Whitemage side of things. Scholars and Astros would make fun of us for being simple healers all the time all they want to do is lord their superiority over others.
Agreed, it's dumb. Great, the 0.1% best players did a thing. Again.
"Healers are unnecessary!" people cry as a mentor in my roulette dies due to standing in orange. I barely had to learn anything about it to know it's dumb AF, and learning over time that the people propagating it are notorious for complaining, getting things changed, then complaining MORE just solidifies my beliefs in it being dumb AF. It's folk like that who truly make me stand by my statement of "The end user rarely knows what they actually want."
Also not to mention how the whole "strike" began after the Media Tour, so that expansion wasn't even out. It's very possible that they made it easier so that Joe Schmoe from IGN who has never played an MMO in his life is able to complete it. After getting into the expansion, while I'm only MSQ 93/94, content really feels like it needs Healers, unless you are just a partied group of trained professionals.
@@elixer88 it's always the case , loud minority don't like something so clearly it has to change for everyone
I'm not on stike but the recent developments made me play anything but Healer nowadays.
I had more fun Healing newbs rather than Savage clear. That's how it went for me.
Ah welp. Maybe its fun for other people.
P/S: was a Savage Healer (not a good one, heh) since ShB. Primarily as H2 (AST SCH SGE). Got burned out on P12S.
I've heard so many people say they burned out on p12s
Heyhey~ If you may remember Miriam from Fates in Dawntrail thats me. Got that Video recommended and guess you have a new Subscriber 😊 To the Topic: To be Honest the Healer Strike is for me atleast not noticeable. Every Dungeon i had a Healer healing me and Support me. Some told me while grinding Fates they never heal in Dungeons any Tank. Its just dumb tbh.
Haha fancy seeing u here and yes I remember 😂 I'm still dissappointing in myself for being dad enough to finish all 6 zones in less then 24 hours
From what I understand healers just want more dps buttons or I assume that's what they want because there is nothing they can do to healers that will make them happy...I mean your job is based off keeping the party alive and if everyone is doing mechanics and properly mitigating then the healer's job becomes much easier and obviously more boring or as they put it, brain dead...you can't give them more healing options that'll make it even easier. You can't upgrade skills that'll make it easier. So give them a couple buttons they need to press every 2 minutes and that will shut them up I promise you. The healer strike is indeed dnmb and if I didn't know any better I'd say the strikers forgot the fact they are playing a healer not a tank or a dps and they're actually complaining their job is too easy when in fact there was also a time nobody wanted to heal because it was too hard smh
@@emotionalsupport they had more damage buttons before and it ultimately lead to it being incredibly hard for them to do there job it's why it changed in the first place . Going backwards fixes nothing
@@MythSamael you're right going backwards doesn't change anything, but if you compare their kit to other roles the healer's are the only ones building up/saving resources they will most likely never need if the raid goes smooth. They have enough instant healing to be able to make up for using a gcd or two on an extra dps button...and it would also make good use of all those resources they never use. Heck even if not damage skills more mitigation wouldn't hurt but that will imbalance the whole shield healer vs pure healer balancing they been trying to do....but ofc all this will not change the logic behind the strike which makes it so stnpid to begin with. They're just a bunch of bitter players that are probably bored of the game itself and they don't deserve nice things
Healers this expansion have been putting in the work, and we appreciate them for it. They said content was gonna get harder, and it definitely has, and theyve been doing their best to getus through it. Good thing we all feel the same about black mage for the most part.
Yeah honestly hope they don't go back on there promise.to make expert dungeons a little.mote expert , The 3 dawntrail experts are super fun
Meh. I'm a simple man. All I want are one or two of my DoTs back on Scholar. Meanwhile, I sort of got my wish for the old HW card system back on Astro and I'm really enjoying it as I level it up on my main. :)
I'm glad !
@@MythSamael Thanks! 🫡
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Haha awww thank you x
The healer strike is irrelevant because I’ll just pick healer and go into the roulette myself
XD simple and to the point
Thank you for making my queue pop faster, then. I appreciate you playing healer and suffering that terrible and limited gameplay loop so I can have fun.
I would rather a rally for something more useful like improving PvP and actually having a hall of the novice for it.
I engage with it for exp but lord help me I cant understand it and feel like a big dumb idiot that cant combo kill anything.
Maybe put crystaline conflict into duty finder so im not brainrotting myself on Frontlines.
I don't take PvP seriously cause add ons have destroyed it , I love it don't get me wrong and I do my roulette everyday but auto guard is cancer and of u play Ninja or machinist you'll see it all the fucking time . Try to snipe someone on machinist who litteraly can't see u and out of nowhere there guard pips then immediately drops after your shot lands
I end up getting more assists then actual kill credits and really annoying.
I also think the healer strike is stupid, however the one thing I would agree with is that dungeons should gradually get to a level of difficulty where healers will have an easier time by using their entire toolkit to gently teach them to use it not just for emergencies. I say this as having played whm through all levels of difficulty in the game and wanting to see other people get the satisfaction of feeling the accomplishment of twirling through the dungeon like a goddess giving life and erasing evil. In saying that, Dawntrail achieves this to some degree. It's a good start, I am interested in seeing how they continue this design.
Personally I played through the DT msq as whm, I queued duty finder, and I went into pf to help some poor dps with queues when it was full of people offering to sell their service as a healer to dps for gil 🤮. Healer strike is kinda stupid.
I think DT expert dungeons achieve this he wasn't kidding when he said he wanted to make them feel harder then they have but in general the problem with making dungeons harder is we have a ladder of content that gets progressively more difficult , I'd we make dungeons harder then by default everything else gets a little harder
@@MythSamael I agree absolutely. When I say they got close and I want to see how they go forward with it I should clarify that the difficulty feels about right as a stepping stone to extreme and savage, but I hope they continue to introduce more extreme and savage lite style mechanics like the two dungeons already released have, that are paced slower than savage and extreme and give a fair chance of recovery but also test the same mechnical skills in a "safer" less stressful manner so all levels of players can enjoy a sort of "endgame" combat. I hope that makes a bit more sense.
The reason such people would dislike you is simple: when you tell the truth it dismantles the sort of fantasy they've been living under. Breaking someone's fantasy makes them angry, that's all. Angry people make up all sorts of dumb arguments about why they're right that are even more wrong all so they can hold onto their fantasy.
Yup mental gymnastics to the last
I'm a tank main. DRK is my preferred tank but it sucks right now. No, I'm not going on strike over it. I either play it and deal with the complete lack of any self sustain, or I que as something else.
Sorry to hear that , I'm using drk as my optional flex job in static ATM and haven't had any issues though granted I haven't played it alot since I hit 100 because picto is me
Omg THANK YOU honestly i feel like I’ve been going crazy with these idiots crying about the things THEY ASKED FOR. To add to your list the healers in stormblood were complaining about not having to heal enough and how people would bully them into using cleric stance and just dps so they made it so healers have to focus on healing more and they are STILL complaining. I swear there’s just no satisfying some people and the developers should stop trying.
Exactly , no matter the change they will find a reason to complain. They have no other setting
Lol, I went SGE for faster ques. Healing was so much fun so glad I did. Thanks for the "strike" guys. Can't wait till savage lol.
Haha sage is what i leveled for the role quest and i love what theyve done to it !
Half these healers don't even dps they just sit there and cast hots or heals
there is even someone in this comment section who argues thats how it should be and healers shoudnt be forced to dps so i believe it
@MythSamael, the issue with that is it would just make the class boring af, though, l been playing ff14 for 2 months I used to play wow and I am loving the dps and healing system I wanted to play blm but its been doing bad on the dps hopefully 7.5 patch fixes some issues I been sticking to whtmage
As all good healers should heal first dps later
Im a White mage main/Healer Main for 6 years. i can understand what they are saying.. since Stormblood They Have simplified the healers ALOT.. BUT We Are HEALERS and the fights are getting harder and i dont have anymore room on my Cross Hotbars XD Got room for 36 Skills and still its hard fitting everything without changing to a 2nd hotbar. ye going through story with a healer is a boring task just throwing glare or stone at the enemies 24/7 meanwhile you see a dps or tanks Having fun Killing stuff through their story. but i DONT wanna more dps skills for High Tier CONTENT it takes us away from our actual DUTY, that is HEALING. If people really want more dps... JP they should give more ways to earn bloodlilys other than hitting afflatus skills. and making the Dot skills AOE for all healers. that is atleast a way to make people satisfied..but who knows... but also next expansion im pretty they have to rework most jobs, because there is no more room for skills XD
A white mage ? i think your on the wrong channel dude there is no white mages in ffxiv - Do you mean Blood Lily mage the closet dps ?
@@MythSamael 🤣🤣🤣
I think the healer strike is just another, but really loud, critique on the weaknesses of FFXIV’s combat in general and total lack of a midcore level.
I used to be a healer main that fell out of love with the role near the end of ShB because it was getting samey and repetitive on every healer job. I assumed it was burnout, but many other voices were saying the same.
So it was simply really disappointing to come into Dawntrail, two whole expansions later, and see that the devs don’t have an answer to making the healing role in FFXIV as dynamic as both other roles and how it used to be just broke some people.
Have u done the experts, healers are complaining the exact opposite now -.- theres no winning
What healer strike? You're like 2 weeks late where that did nothing
It's still on going but dyes I agree it'll do nothing
Healers no matter the MMO are the most boring class to play.
When everyone does what they need to do you're playing solitare until those HP bars drop.
Devs put damage buttons in the kit because they know healers will sometimes solo and its filler between hit heal button gcd A and heal button GCD B.
In short most of these healers that are striking are disgruntled scholars from ARR/HW era who are mad their shadow flare, dots and juggling aetherflow is taken away from them...thus being forced to play the job like a healer.
True
Reminder: there is no real "healer's strike" it's a few cry babies who want the old, trash way healers used to be back, and it's not goin to happen, this little group will die out soon enough because they don't matter.
Agree completely
literally what healer strike
You are correct XD
Healer main here. I love being a healer in XIV; I feel the simplicity in dungeons makes it far more accessible for those who may be intimidated by responsibility roles. I have taught four (at least) people new to MMO's how to heal through dungeons just fine. If I crave a challenge as a healer, I do other content that tests my abilities. In the meantime, I spend my evenings running people through Dawntrail dungeons in exchange for crafting supplies so we can help each other level classes.
At the end of the day, XIV is a game and is only as fun as you let it be for you.
Exactly ! Some people only no how to complain and demanding change because they don't like it is pure entitlement
You've read my thoughts on it already, but I will say this. TP was HORRIBLE and I'm glad its dead.
Agreed!
As a healer main myself, I think the strike is dumb and nonsensical. Sure a more engaging rotation would be nice, but an easy time of things is my reward for everyone doing things correctly. It's not my job to constantly be pumping out HPS, as though I was playing WoW, my job is to fix other peoples screwups, and the occasional heal up after raid wide damage. If my party knows the fights, well, time to be a glare mage (or Broil my enemies alive in my case). And honestly, as someone who does a lot of Duty Finder and Party Finder content, I'm GONNA be needed, because people are going to screw up, maybe less so in dungeons, but dungeons were never meant to feel difficult. Doesn't stop tanks who don't know that mitigation is for trash and not just bosses from existing, though, so that's always a thing I'll deal with on occasion.
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My boy Myth finally getting some of the recognition he deserves. 👌Earned
Haha thank you ! I super appreciate that x
There is no healer strike
haha you trying out your jedi mind tricks there but no i get it, its basically 5 people in a discord crying to each other
There is no war in eorzea
The healer strike isn’t irrelevant, since it started all the healers I’ve gotten have been absolutely cracked and awesome, appreciating the limited amount of healers because the ones that remain are, yk, good
XD i thought this comment was going in a differant direction but your completely right haha !
"This is not intent to bully" "THIS IS DUMB AND IRRELEVANT".
My dude. Come on.
Hello and welcome to being schooled on the internet - Bullying is the act of targeting a person not a statement. You cant bully a statement so calling the healer strike dumb and irrelevant is more or less the same as saying the idea the earth is flat is dumb and irrelevant. I no you wont reply - Stay mad though ;)
lmao xD
Simpin for Square. What a chump.
@@nickjordan8996 unable to make a remotely intellectual comment , what a chump
Strike?
Well it's not working. I haven't even noticed a healer shortage.
They should do something more productive which would get more support across the board, like a written letter/petition signed by as many as possible & then send it to Yoshi P.
If that doesn't work, just give it up as you can't get your own way all the time.
Agree completely it's pure entitlement
This healer strike imo really dumb. People who part this strike seem more focus dps let tanks and team die. I understand tanks can SOLO alot things but there TANKS there supposes be last one to die unless it a stack/special mechanic. Even then they can dps if they "Just maintain hp correctly". You want make healing fun? then appreciate what you have NOW. Not what it should be by a standard only fit for selfish wishing. Lastly as someone who plays all job healing and dps at same time is not hard just practice and get GOOD at your jobs, READ YOUR TOOL TIPS.
Preach !
Literally me with Viper. I was frightened about the seemingly complex class until I started practicing more. I won't say I'm god tier but I've gotten the general feel and flow of Viper to the point where I became a positional crack fiend.
I even managed to clutch two Dawntrail dungeons while leveling Viper with a tank after the healer and other DPS died. I hope the duo clutch thing is a trend for me going forward since I love clutching boss fights. I even remember doing it in Aloalo Island where I solo'd the fairy as a Machinist and impressed the whole party with how quickly I figured out the mechanics (thanks Destiny 1 raiding days). The revolver mechanic is a beautiful mechanic and I hope it returns again someday