The Girl With All The Gifts Cordyceps Infection Explored | Symbiotic Fungal Relationship Examined
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- Опубликовано: 17 дек 2020
- In the movie "The Girl With All The Gifts" Children were found infected with cordyceps. However, unlike the adults, they weren't mindless feasting machines known as "Hungries". Instead, they were able to be reasoned with, educated, but should they be hungry and smell a human, their brains would quickly return to monke and they would begin to lash out. In this episode we will discuss why this was the case, and why this doctor who was trying to make a vaccine is an absolute quack.
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Can you do the blacklight virus from prototype?
Can you do a pandorum monster video?
Gotta prove you wrong here with the suppressor. They sound loud, yes, but it can reduce the deafening sound of gunfire by 20 or 30 decibels. Gunpowder, is loud, and you cannot control that. But it DOES take away the 'boom' of the gun. Plus it is varied between guns. It really only helps with preventing hearing loss after prolonged exposure to loud noises, such as constantly firing firearms. Yes, though, it would still piss off every single zombie nearby. You'd have to be very far away for it to NOT cause someone to hear it. Though it still does reduce the range that noise carries by a little bit, it wouldn't matter in this situation. The man who invented the 'silencer' also worked on automobiles to make them quieter as well. I think his name was Hiram Maxim. The more you know.
you man if you got bit be a zom i wood try to cure you or use you as a weapon and do not worry i will try to put you back together like Frankenstein ok bro
Hey Roanoke you should do videos over The Cave 2005, The Relic 1997, Prototype Blacklight Virus, and Black Goo from Prometheus.
The First of Us looks great 👍
Hey wow i have a video suggestion how about talking about the virus from fallout 76 aka the scorched
True statement WOW
😂😂🤣🤣 good one.
Oh my daaaayyys
Fantastic Joke
If you've ever owned an outdoor cat, you know that no child could catch it if it doesn't want to be caught.
True and the cat survived years in this Environment with the Infected
@@holypaladinofistar5763 Very relevant point. It wouldn't trust any humans, infected or not.
That's made me so upset and angry. I have 2 cats of my own
True
Lauren Richards we’ve eliminated natural selection
the pods being released by fire is actually quite common in plants, some pine trees drop their cones after fires in order to repopulate the forest
I knew it would be fire, because so many plants do that
@@jurgeysamuel Well fungi and plants are similar in some ways so I'll give you this one
Isnt there even plants that explode if messed with
There are even fungus who are able to thrive in a fire sterilized environment. There were some fungi found a few days after the Australian wild fires not too long ago
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Whenever a show or movie has infected that are fast-moving, jerky, and exaggerated with their actions, I always wonder how much fun the actors had portraying that whenever they played an infected or got infected.
A load of fun! I was one of the ‘hungry children’ in the first few scenes, one of the kids with the shaved heads in the wheelchairs. We were taught in groups how to pretend to be all savage-jerky like you said, kind of like dance choreography. In the audition, we had to pretend to be stray dogs, lmao. The best part about playing infected was that we were given a frothy sugary mixture that looked like drool went we went all ‘grahhh’. It was so sickly that one of the girls nearly threw up, though, lmao. But yeah, it was a great experience!
That’s so cool dude 😭😭I WANNA BE IN A ZOMBOE movie so bad so I can do this
@@mowingthegrass123 that’s wild! Can you find yourself in any of the scenes?
@@blueraptorgaming3803 yeah, I’ve got a few speaking lines at the beginning! I cringe when I look back on it, but I was a kid so that’s to be expected, hey ho. When we’re not speaking it’s bloody difficult to work out who’s who, though-everyone’s in the same clothes with the same haircut etc. On one of the rehearsals, they got all us kids to line up in a row and apparently some of the parents were having difficulty picking out their own kid, which is pretty funny.
@@mowingthegrass123 AHAHAHA! Niceee! Can you still pick yourself out in the crowd?
In the book it's explicit that Melanie understands exactly what she's doing to the world when she sets the 'tree' on fire, it's just that she's seen how bad things are and has decided that humanity already lost, so she may as well usher in the new age.
Sucks
The movie really dropped the ball by not including the raider attack on the military base. The point is that the remaining humans are destroying each other to the point of extinction. In her own way, Melanie is attempting to save humanity.
@@carrramrod plus the fungus NEEDS humanity to continue. This strain at least...
that sounds like such a good read, wish I read it first
I'm your 421st like
2020 has taught me that it’s impossible to overestimate the stupidity of people. So for me it’s believable when people in zombie movies do idiotic things.
Same applies to all horror movies.
The absolute best way to survive in any horror movie, @@robertnelson9599, is *NOT* to be in said horror movie. lol
Yeah suddenly all of those zombie movie idiots are 100% believable
I worked 6 years in helpdesk. I've believed in the horror movie idiots for about 10 years.
Yeah, 2020 really did make a lot of Zombie movies a lot less shit, solely based on people's decisions.
... More realistic than we thought after all... ... Sadly... :I
In the book, Melanie is "special" because she wants to learn, which is something that many of the other children don't have - it's nothing to do with the fungus overtaking her, but more to do with her personality. The doctor also doesn't know how the kids "function" with the fungus, which is why she dissects them. The movie was good, but the book is actually way more interesting in the way it explores the disease and Melanie as a character. In the book as well, she 100% knows what she's doing when she sets the tree (in the book it's like a wall of fungus) on fire. She intends to bring about the new world.
I was about to make a comment about this. I loved the book. The Audiobook was great as well
In the zombie movies, it’s a wonder to me why no one ever decides to wear chain mail armour
or denim. Hard to bite through.
Because it’s not abundant and it’ll slow you down. If you get caught by a horde, chain mail will only prolong the suffering.
@@pugilist102 Consider riding a bike. There's this Tumblr thread that talks about it. Full body armor, sword, and a bike because it's quiet.
@@pugilist102 a full plate armor wouldn't really slow you down, let alone chain mail. this is a very widespread myth, however erroneous, obviously it won't be like you have nothing but it's not really a limitation either.
@@MorphineZ0 You are limited by where you can go with a bike. You need a clear path.
This movie is the literal definition of “your not you when your hungry”.
Edit: When people care more about grammar than joke...
so this is just a 1+ hour snickers ad?
*You're*
That was so good
You`re*
Just a fuckin snickers ad
Crows are also entering the stone age, learning to make tools and teaching their young to make them.
Even rats are using rocks and sticks to set of mouse traps
All the while Humanity is regressing to the Stone Age by the day. Hmm... something is pretty off with reality as we know it. lol
Really interesting how we’re watching other animals progressing as we did in the past
@@adamgray1753 we are definitely not regressing
If you believe that nonsense, @@dirpyturtle69, then you are clearly not witnessing the hysterical nonsense that is the COVID-19 Plandemic online and in real life. That is all the proof you will ever need to know Humanity is most definitely regressing to the Stone Age.
When learning about this fungus in a bio course. My professors implied that it’s possible that the fungus only hijacks the motor areas of the ant so it is still “aware” as this fungus makes it move. Creepy
Don’t be that kid that growls during fights 😭😂
Dolphins : i guess living underwater is not bad after all
But no feet, Roanoke can't get the views without the feet
Fungus: “bet” and adapts
I require more Garus Varkarian toe pics for uh...
research purposes.
So long, and thanks for all the fish
@@lambsauc324 ...
Didn’t expect a video on RUclips about zombies to learn the fact that Chimpanzees and Orangutans have entered the stone age
We should stop them now before they start a rival civilization.
@@disbeafakename167 they have since the 70s, an alpha male chimpanzee died and a new one rose to power, a group of chimps didn't like this so they took the females and left.
This was a terrible desicion, because not long after, the original group of chimpanzees formed a group and started hunting and brutally murdering the defectors and taking the women back.
@@ragingpervert5182 thats old news as thats war behaviour something we share with apes.
you should have brought up the monkey gang from a few years back a group of monkeys smart enough to use keys to open cars to drive them a few feet how to open doors and they robbed people and buildings and cars across the city along with nearly killing city officals by trying to push them off balconeys
@@wilmagregg3131 that's insane, what?? I never knew chimps were that..uh, smart
@@jordangarcia465 yep despite them lacking higher thought and being more agressive people tend to forget there still master tool users who with practice could basically use any tool a human could.
for instance theres a chimp in north koreas zoo that learned to smoke cigaretts and use a lighter from watching people do it for so long and using the few dropped in its cage.
the guards found it amazing so started giving the ape over a pack of cigaretts to smoke a day which it seems to enjoy and be addicted to the nicotine in the same way as a human even does some basic smoking tricks.
It's important to note that the fungus does not "puppeteer" the insects, it merely uses chemicals to alter their instinctive behavior. It basically just has them:
1. Have muscle spasms to make them fall from the forest canopy
2. Try to climb up something
3. Bite down and hold it
All three of these can presumably be done by chemicals sequentially introduced into the hemocoel. The first and third are basically just muscle spasms/contractions and don't require "mind control", and the second presumably just activates an instinct.
It would take a massive amount of complexity for a fungus to be able to override a human brain or body.
@@ENCHANTMEN_ sometimes i wonder if brains and nervous systems are fungal in nature
So it's the fungus pushing buttons and hoping it works? Neat!
Same thing can be seen in the "hungries" (such a bad name LMAO) the gnashing is almost constant, so likely a muscle spasm, then instinct is overridden to find life either for socialization or to hunt, and then more spasms latching onto the stimulus and then pressing the head towards them, the gnashing causes bites, the human host proceeds to eat
So what you're saying is;
Is used chemicals to puppeteer the insects.
Got it.
I like how there's never one thing mentioned in video games or movies when a character gets surprised by an infected. . . . . THE SMELL!!!!! Rotting flesh, peeing and pooping themselves . . . There would be no "surprising" someone.
To be fair, if you lived in that you would get nose blind to that very quick
The movie in a nutshell: Reject humanity, return to monke
Monke4Eva
M O N K I E
Return To Zombe
Humanity fades
Monke eternal
Monke is coming when the elites starve 90 percent of humanity to death.
Melanie definitely was calling in a new world. She has a line that goes like “it’s not your world anymore” so very intentional.
It's always that trope bullshit! Get something original ffs. Share the world or at least try....Damn.
@@Hades1100 my fav thing about it is that I can’t think of WHY she did it? Which is a real shame, I liked the movie up till I thought it through afterwards and realized that every death is entirely preventable. My assumption is that it was supposed to tie into the Pandora’s box thing (release all the evils in the world but also hope) but if it is it’s NOT shown. Real shame too, there’s the frame of an amazing story here.
@@spengrantest In the book the remaining humans are still at war with each other and killing each other. Melanie decides that humanity will have a better chance at survival in this new form instead. The hope rests with the next generation basically.
Well, Melanie was either an idiot or a nihilist. Her kind would need humans to reproduce.
Each girl would DIE in childbirth, meaning that you'd have half the number of girls in each generation while the number of guys continues to increase.
Within five generations you'd have effectively no girls with which to reproduce.
@@PhrontDoor the mothers died due to the fungal infection. Since they are in symbiosis with the fugus, they'd give birth normally.
The ants don’t die (until they starve) when infected with the virus. The ant is still alive but unable to control its own body. Imagine being trapped in your own body
Yeah, sometimes they get thrown off trees
people with depression can understand
I don't have to imagine. I'm quadriplegic.
@@wizardmongol4868 damn bruh
12:20
as someone who used to be that kid, it's one of the biggest regrets of my life and I am so sorry to anyone and everyone who ever knew me in elementary school.
With the pfp and the username, I can see you still haven't gotten out of that degernacy. Good luck though.
You should be sorry to yourself.
@@prettyworm7311 oh boy not even be sorry, should be asking for forgiveness from whatever they believe in.
@@Cozmikazi pfft-
Fair enough.
I was on of thise kids and now in my 20s i still am, (yes i do have mental issues and problem, currently seein therapy for alot of things, i still have a child like mindset and havin aspergers and adhd dont help any)
"The future's looking bleak for England."
Don't need a biologist to tell us that.
England needs to resurrect King George V
England needs to sink
Yeah, between outbreaks of rage virus and aliens invading every christmas......
damnit Margaret thatcher!
@@timtim6373 *me watching my house sink:*
👁️👄👁️
I've heard the "being eaten from the inside by your zombie-baby - one" quite a few times by now and sure: it IS creepy, but I always wondered: would that even be possible? Babys do not have teeth, while still in the womb after all. I could see them thrashing around and causing internal damage that way and maybe suckle on what ever they can get their lips around, but I have a hard time believing that they could actually sever tissue.
I had that same thought. None of my kids had teeth, and thank god for that. My poor wife's nipples...
Some babies are born with teeth, called natal teeth, and occurs it in 1 out of every 2000 births.
@@breethomas9555 My neice who now is 13 was born with 2 lower teeth. It was wierd to see a newborn with those. She looked very cute. Lol
Maybe when the newborns are developed with the fungus the fungus speeds up natural growth just enough, development of teeth or preteeth to use.
My great grandfather used to hate stake without teeth, enough grinding with the gums and you can get through muscles...
I am just so happy you brought up that chimpanzees and orangutans are legitimately, literally have entered the "stone age".
It's wild and amazing to see something so similar to our own ancient history happening in real time.
And it's crazy to think that, because we're already so far developed, our presence and interactions might actually speed up their own
@@luckas221amonkey see monkey do on a planetary scale
I just wanted to take the time to say that in the book everything is explained alot more clearly and the characters decisions makes a lot of sense, it's a great read. But I also wnated to mention that there is a second book, a prequel, called "the boy on the bridge". That goes into even more detail and information. It explains why the mobile lab is where it is and what happened to the crew. I strongly recomend everyone reading it.
The funny thing is that even if the suppressed guns were completely silent, you'd think that the screams of each zombie before they get shot would alert the rest of the horde anyway lmao
Seems kinda dumb
Or the sound of bodies hitting the ground.
Actually depends on the gun how quiet a suppressed weapon is. Open bolt automatics loudest, single shot bolt action (smle for example) quiet, welrod and built in suppression quietest.
What if you use a sniper lmao
@@walnzell9328 no not really, falling on the ground wouldn't alert multiple zombies
"suppressors are not silent" THANK YOU!! god i hate that movies have people thinking they make a firearm silent, they only make it less likely youll go deaf in a home defense scenario.
Even with subsonic ammo, about the closest you could get is the .22lr. Still if you could suppress the report to that degree the action is still loud as shit.
Movie directors; haha, suppressors go “shhhhhhhhh”
My poor gun nut husband nearly had an aneurysm when I said this out loud. 😂
Negative. Suppressors are designed to "suppress" muzzle flash. Not a home defense thing at all.
They are called silencers in fiction for a reason, they silence stuff and make whooshes rather than bangs and there are guns like the MP5SD that sound like very lou bb guns
Although suppressors still get used the same, a dude already said that in movies there is no point in complaigning about a silencer when there are far less realistic things in it like say zombies in this case
Like a classical video game situation is this, we are talking of a stealth mission in a ww2 game, there are 2 nazi guards guarding a gate, you a british commando take out your welrod and manage to take one out without being heard despite the silencer of a welrod being as loud as a car passing by.
This meaning that in real life the other guard would have, rather than suspected a murder because he heard nothing at all, freaked out getting half the Wehrmacht against you.
I just realized, this fungus may wipe out everything on the planet. This thing has the host eat it's own kind, meaning less hosts for the fungus to propagate within . It doesn't seem to be interested in infecting anything either, as anyone who gets the craving eats until their satiated, and in a large enough group, that means until there's nothing left. Eventually, it may begin to infect animals, but unless it starts feeding on other sources of energy, well, we've seen what happens to the host when there isn't enough food to sustain them. Eventually, those spores will have nothing left to infect.
On the plus side, the sea life is most likely gonna be alright.
I couldn’t stop laughing when you said “feral children” idk why. I just laughed
When movies portray suppressors as “complete sound blocking magic boom tubes” it drives me fucking nuts.
Another bad thing it causes, it makes anti gunners think people use suppressors just to murder people all the fuckin time instead of just helping out with not going deaf on the gun range. Hollywood makes anti gunners more ignorant
Same cause I’ve shot a silenced auto before, and that thing almost killed my ears, with earplugs in, it just helps with the control and makes it the smallest bit quieter, and I guess it helps with precision as well, doesn’t it? I mean because it lengthens the barrel and the bullet has a longer “take off” it just gets the blast away from your ears.
@@darthmaul2005 suppressors actually reduce the initial bang from the expanding gasses because of the baffles or wipes depending on the suppressor. It however does not stop the super sonic crack. So it is best to use subsonic ammo with cans. So no a suppressor don't move the bang further away from you it catches the expanding gasses to lessen the sound. And also if it killed your ear with earplugs in you didn't have them in right.
@@billybobsagget3165, I know this, I know guns, my family owns a lot of them, I have two or three of my own. I’m just simply saying that because it lengthens the end of the gun it does make it less loud to the person firing, but yes you are right, I just wasn’t about to extend my reply to 300 sentences.
What bothers me is when a person gets shot and blood splatters on the surface behind them but no damage gets done to that surface. For example, someone gets shot in the head and blood splatters everywhere on the window behind them but the glass doesn't break. It bothers me because if blood splatters behind them that means the bullet went clean through so the bullet should break the window/damage the surface behind them.
If you have not read the book I highly suggest it- ironically almost all of the problems you had with the doctor are addressed in the book.
In the book the doctor does not know why the children still have control over there faculties, but has delusions of finding a cure through them, leading to her grisly brain removing experiments- which even she says is just her flailing around with incorrect tools.
There is no elaborate story of the 'hungry kids' nesting inside there mothers and slowly eating there way out, just that they sometimes get found among hungries, but seem capable of higher thought.
Eventually she gets access to better tools and takes apart one of the children, and is completely devastated to find that there is no 'cure' to be found
The girl in the end consciously decides to release the fungus and finish wiping out humanity, because there flailing against the fungus, each other, and targeting other infected children, will just doom humanity- and the proper way forward is to focus efforts on passing as much knowledge as possible to the 'hungry kids'
Nice essay I read the whole thing
That little girl and rest of children are dead as well, they have zero knowledge on what they need to do survive besides scavenging on the very dwindling resources that are left.
@@SpeedingBus01 yeah this whole story is at best realistic at worst plain badly written.
@@thetruedarksoul168 the whole story is at best good and at worst bad, wow, amazing deduction
@@uckbritley1305 realistic does not mean good. It just means believable
I don't think you could classify this as a symbiotic relationship that helps the human survive without their consciousness when the 2nd phase of the fungus literally kills the human to make the spores.
For the most basic of understanding of symbiotic relationships: as long as both can survive, it's symbiotic. In the children, the fungus has the ability to grow without being hindered, so it flourishes and the children are conscious. With the adults, their immune systems are attacking the fungus, so the fungus is just defending itself
@@undeadprincess5726 "as long as both survive it's symbiotic" is wrong. As parasites and pathogens can live inside a host without killing it. Getting Herpes is not a symbiotic relationship. Neither is letting a tick feed off you.
A parasitic relationship differs from predation by the fact that both the host and the parasite survive.
A symbiotic relationship requires that both species benefit from the relationship.
@@pepebeezon772 thank you for correcting me! It's always interesting to learn more about a subject! I should have specified that as long as both survive and benefit from the relationship, like you stated.
Actually the statement that all symbiotic relationships have to be beneficial for both organisms is not correct. Symbiosis or symbiotic relationships enclose any interaction between two different organisms and these interaction can be then split in different groups, some of them falling under the umbrella of parasitic (where one of the organisms gets all the benefits and kills the other) or mutualistic (where both organisms get a benefit). Other includes a relation where one organisms gets all the benefit while the other survives and basically does not care.
@@maytealejo yea, I got it wrong. I was thinking mutualistic
THE TLOU MUSIC IN THE BG IS SENDING ME IM LAUGHING
OH ALSO, in the book the infected bang and reproduce with the second generation having a more symbiotic than parasitic relationship with the fungus, rather than it relying on expecting women to get infected. Other than the lady and the stroller, one of the infected was singing and looking through old pictures and stuff, and the Dr. basically found out that some higher thinking remains in some of the hungries to an extent, SOMEtimes.
i just finished the book and the movie tonight and i just think it's neat, okay
What happens when the kids grow up, and infected can still reproduce?
Wouldn’t the second stage the fruiting stage kill the host either way?
@@fajile5109 yeah, but if i recall that seems to only happen when they've already become too emaciated to function. so they're basically already dead.
@@VeryPeeved Actually it might just be triggered when they do drop dead because the fungus begins decomposing the host's corpse and has to begin large scale reproduction in order to survive as a species
So it’s like Days Gone? The zombies aren’t completely ape and do have memories and some sentience left?
Finally, someone says what I've been saying for years. You wouldn't need to kill the host to get proper samples of the fungus, whether it's The Last of Us or The Girl With All the Gifts.
Despite not being someone who has played The Last of Us (nor do I ever plan to considering their utter BS with the 2nd game), it's nice to know that someone with at least a basic knowledge of medicine is saying the events that led to the BS in the 2nd game are well, BS - so it's good to know had the game developers done their work, in a logical situation with actually smart doctors, what happened in the second game would not have happened. And by that I mean the character that died in a manner highly disrespectfully to their character.
Scientifically illeterate people seem to think you MUST kill the host to analyse the parasyte for... some reason? Its more dramatic that way i guess lol
@@thoryon7767 only thing I could possibly think of that working would be either Alien or where the host is too dangerous to sedate.
Just reinforces the point that Abby's dad does not know what he's doing
@@thoryon7767 that's the reason, drama. They throw science out of the window to make an "emotional" scene. Sad how the game decided to make the stupid doctor a key character when the stupidity should have been glossed over and not really gone back to.
Maybe she’s different than the others because when her brain remapped its functions, it could’ve rewired in such a way as to increase her ability to process oxytocin, and part of her deformity included an increased sense of kinship and love towards others.
I literally got multiple "mushroom coffee" ads during this video.
ALL PRAISE THE ALMIGHTY ALGORITHM!
"stop moving"
"No, must protect child"
"No, stop moving"
"must. protect. child."
"Stop moving, now"
"No, must protect child"
"STAHP!"
"Protect the child"
This movie was a horror masterpiece, Im really sad for all the mothers who got eaten
Human walks by:KILL THEM AND PROTECT CHILD
Destroy the child corrupt them all.
Leave the child to die they slow u down
I just realized you could be making up words and lying about everything and i'd have no clue
Education can do wonders, jus sayen.
I j ust googled "chimpanzees have entered the Stone Age" the answer... apparently no.
@@72tadrian65 there’s education, and then there’s this RUclipsr.
I don't know a lot, but I did have to do a biopsychology module as part of my undergrad and I recognised a lot of the terms, so I think it's pretty accurate.
I believe Melanie was purely used by the fungus as they once believed... but used to a different, higher level than the Dr originally thought. She intentionally released & somehow knew how to open all the pods, which was probably knowledge given by the fungus.
What i find weird in every zombie movie is :
WHY didn’t militaries napalm the CITIES already ? ^^
S p o r e
Theres a LOT of cities in the world.
where are the tanks they could have gunned down a shit tonne of them before they had to abandon their equipment
This universe was terrifying. Although, its never explicitly mentioned if Applebees closed for business or not following the Cordyceps outbreak, so there's an ambiguous glimmer of hope for mankind.
No Applebees in the UK to close in the first place
@@IrritatedBear Then the end times are upon us.
My opinion is completely off the topic，but personally I‘d rather eat Red Robins over Applebees any day
so wait...the ENTIRE CONFLICT with ellie in the last of us could have been solved...with a SPINAL TAP??
The whole take someones brain out for a cure thing that has shown up in a few movies and books has always been a pretty stupid idea. A living example of immunity (or in ellies case, coexistence, she was still infected, just not suffering any of the usual side effects) is far more useful then a dead one. All you'd learn from pulling someones brain out is how the infection latched on. Which might sound like its useful, but really, there are a thousand non-fatal ways to do that, and millions of much more useful things you can learn from seeing how the body functions when its still functioning.
Beyond that, its not like a solution to a infective fungus would be all that hard to find. We already have plenty of tools to deal with countless types of fungus infections, and many of them are known to work on Cordyceps. It would likely be too late for people who's brains have been messed with, but for everyone else all it would require is a tweaking of tools that already exist.
@@FastForwardPlans Or, worst to worst, a flamethrower. A truly underestimated tool.
@@theinstitute1324 That is true, everyone forgets flamethrowers.
No, the whole problem with Ellie was she LACKED an immune response to the fungus. When the fungus wasn't attacked, it didn't become invasive. Grew until it filled available space and then stopped. If your body attacks it then it becomes invasive.
So you can't make a vaccine from her, you would need to produce immune suppression drugs and keep using those on infected people. The apocalypse kind of wiped out the manufacturing for that, and makes you vulnerable to other illness.
Last of Us 2 tries to handwave that and says there would have been a viable cure, but not how, they just need to justify the conflict between Abby and Ellie.
@@Waywardpaladin In the real world/this movies setting, yes, immunosuppressive would have worked.
But in TLoU- prior to the dumpster fire of the sequel- the fungus that inhabited Ellie is explicitly the source of immunity, having mutated to be benign. Whether they changed that or not or just tried to retcon that the idiot veterinarian knew what he was doing doesn't matter. It means that in the first game, they literally just had to do a spinal tap, get a fungus sample, and figure out how to propagate it, at least in theory.
There would always be the risk of mutation, but the same would occur in the immunosuppressive route.
It is so bizarre to me that now with Ellie’s immunity in TLoU being more fleshed out in the TV Series, the circumstances in which she became immune are so eerily similar to the kids’ immunity in this movie.
It definitely is!! I wonder if the show writers took inspiration?
I like the idea that the way they stand like that, in fairly close groups that could reach between each other is a callback to cilia. Everywhere in the city is basically a stomach and digestive system, a place where nutrients are actually eaten and digested, effectively making a form of sense-oriented, "appendages" of the fungus to more effectively alert the hungry hosts when one is alerted, then just fill in gaps and the net is reset for the "stomach" to work again.
I never skip too the time stamp because you talking is for some reason very relaxing
Well I am happy to hear this! thanks for watching man!
Same dude
I watch some movies just so I can come back to his videos to listen to him summarising and explaining it
Yep
@@RoanokeGaming give us more Garus Varkarian toe pics, I require more space velociraptor feet for...
research purposes.
"The quack known as Abby's dad."
THANK YOU!!!!!!! Been saying this for ages! I was hoping the second game would have Ellie and Joel going to a doctor that actually knows what they are doing.
now how did that work out for you?
@@bobboringname9021 Not well. They should have found an actual doctor.
I like to think that he actually knows what he is doing, and our universe works differently than theirs.
@@disbeafakename167 Good idea but I still can't agree, man. That would be nice but even in the same universe, the logic doesn't add up. He knew the sample mutated from the standard culture, which meant he GOT a sample of it already. So why take the whole brain? You got a sample. For God's sake, keep the girl alive in case you need more samples. Like, oh I don't know, if the hospital got overrun and you have to relocate. Or was he just making the mutation explanation up? I think the best excuse would be he didn't have the resources to do any safer procedures. Assumed that Ellie would have been too scared to do any future procedures (I imagine it would be a long process) and run away. So he made the 'tough choice' that he felt was right, which was to take the whole brain and save many many samples and backup samples. But that's still putting all humanities eggs in one very flimsy basket. Better to have the original cultures available. Bottom line: I don't think he intended to mess up so badly. I think the 20 years of stress and responsibility got to him and skewed his thinking.
@@starfishhugger6232 even if they did they have a alot of work to do rebuilding the usa all those destroyed and abandoned cities not to mention the small towns and other buildings half of them are gonna look like chernobyl as they're probably gonna put work into the area worthwhile I know I'm over thinking this but it was an interesting idea to me
You should totally do an entire other review on only the book. It's so different sand there's so much more you could expand on.
the mom pushing the stroller is really sad when you think about it.
30:11 "Literally anyone with a biology degree can tell you, (...) that both these doctors are complete idiots"
"They asked me if I had a degree in theoretical biology and I answered I had a theoretical degree in biology"
-Abby's Dad
That was a Fantastic joke
Talk about a Fantastic reference
What a FANTASTIC reference
This very nearly flew over my head since it has no direct references to the game. My hat is off to thee, sire.
Are you a maker of war or peace?
The Hungries is what I get when I walk within 10 feet of the fridge
Every time I have been asked by anyone "What do you do for exercise?" all throughout the Year 2020 so far I simply respond, "My exercise consists entirely of going to the fridge and back.". See, if you can burn off at least *ONE* calorie while doing this one extraordinarily wonderful exercise you enable yourself to one fridge item (provided it is in there). lol
@@adamgray1753 gonna sneak around moving fat peoples fridges one step further away each day.
Ha
Aaron McNeice The Hungries is what I get when I see fat people at the gym
I had never heard of this movie until I saw your video! I promise I will watch it after your great breakdown!
depends on the ammo! subsonic ammo in a closed bolt rifle/smg with a closed sloop gas system and a supressor can be literally barely a puff more than just the chunk sounds of the action cycling
Parents: Quit being lazy! Quit standing around and work!
Adult Infected: I'm not lazy, I'm just highly motivated to do nothing
Moral of the story is when there is a cure litterally inches away from being created you let the experiment die! Now the teacher is responsible for killing off humanity. Great fucking job
No regrets.
No humanity. No virud.
There was never a cure possible
what are the chances that the virus truly infected every single human though
@@max-ii5jy well that would have been a bitch of a ending lol. The scientists finding out humanity was doomed no matter what they did after killing the experiment.
@@rafaelhernandez5022 I'm thinking that the chances would be very very low, I'm sure their are still thousands of not tens of thousands in bunkers underground which could probably outlive the fungus as it would eventually have nobody else to infect
Your Miss Mittens looks just like my Tobey 😭 (he passed away from cancer) what a lovely kitty you have ❤️
This channel is great, half movie review and half science! Keep up the great work!
Melanie how dare you. Not only eating a cat, but baiting infected with a dog?! >:(
She couldnt resist it
Melanie was never a caring character; the teacher was dumb
To be fair she would have never seen a dog or a cat before nor had the cognative awareness that dogs and cats were meant to be pets/companions. She'd just see them as any other wild animal
I really hate it
@@turgburg4890 me to. I have 2 cats of my own
I just noticed that when the doctor gasped at the dead baby the infected person looked at them like "i have found you", it's just the way the infected looked at the doctor, it looked like the face where when you get excited and your face lights up
This kind of reminds me of the story of the girl who had half of her brain to help stop her servere and debilitating epilepsy.
Would love to see a part 2. The movie was amazing going a different direction as just zombies. The ending was great showing that we are just dust in the wind.
Can we get the killer clowns from outer space biology please
We can try but not too close on the heels of my boy wowsuchgaming!
Not to sound weird but even with movies or games I know about I don't skip because I like hearing you talk about these things passionately
well I appreciate you watching them man, glad to hear you are enjoying the sultry sounds of what I thought was covid voice haha
Same. Most of these movies I've already seen but I like watching/listening to the summary anyhow.
Thank you for saying the truth about suppressors. As a gun owner/enthusiast (although I don't have a suppressor because it's a pain in the rear to get), it is extremely annoying when everyone thinks suppressors literally make guns silent.
I'm a little late to comment, but I read the book where they use the woman pushing the stroller to explain there are two ways for the children to exist: the mothers were already pregnant pre-infection, or (and I found this disturbing), as the video also points out, some instincts and behaviors are still present, and yes, zombies were doing the dirty. It's the only explanation they could come up with for the children of various ages the soldiers kept "finding" and bringing back. It's a very nice book and a quick read, the author, being originally a screenwriter, is very visual in his writing.
Nerve system as baby: hmm i think ur natural soo i'll let you pass
Fungi: Same to you man
That's part of the "hygiene hypothesis" where children who don't consume "hay" (local grasses/ pollen) have modern/western chances at allergies and those who are feed i.e. Milk contain with those revert to pre industrial rates of hey fever.
Data on early childhood impacts on allergies isn't really easy to get by but fascinating.
The science of this doesn't make sense. The decay would incapacitate its hosts too quickly for that many zombies to be functional at the same time
Thats a relief
And that is the main arguement against any and all supposed "Zombie Apocalypse."
@@d.dementedengineerc99isurf26 yeah, they’d all die really quick.
@@ttracs Other thoughts... Zombies can't heal, can't reproduce well, and can't think! Their main source of food is also their only way to reproduce, and their top predator! With intelligence being our single best strong suit as a species, that would be a problem. Necromorphs from Dead Space and the cordyceps from Last of Us are another story.
20:00 I agree with you but the perspective of "fungal replacement magic" was fun.
I actually read this book in 9th grade, and I was not disappointed by all the plot in it. Hats off to you for reviewing it!
These kids are born like the Shriekers. I loved you Graboid series! Also, the silent TLOU2 soundtrack in the background has a nice touch.
The plot reminds me of that webtoon "my daughter is a zombie"
Were a dad tries to train his zombie daughter into becoming human again without attacking anyone
I read that. Funny grandma 😅😅😅☝️
which in turn reminds me of Lab of the Dead, where a scientist experiments on zombies, except that scientist is a behavioral psychologist, and his experiments are based around expanding his knowledge about how they think in order to manipulate their behavior and, to some degree, control them.
Meow Meow will live on in my heart forever.
Ore where it’s a husband trying to make a cure to save his wife that’s infected
FINALLY! Someone actually remembers this movie! So many people I know never have seen this movie and it’s personally one of my favorites!
Then I hope you enjoy this video bro!
@@RoanokeGaming just finished it! You actually came to a similar conclusion me and my friend had that it was probably just adaptation! It was so awesome that you covered this movie and I also sent him the link to your video and he is freaking out lol. Thank you for more awesome content💚!!!
One of my favorites too! Watched it so many times. A true gem.
The film's good but the book it's based on is miles better. Actually has a lot more in it about why the quack's cure would never work and why Melanie lights up the stalks.
@@nealjroberts4050 yeah I’ve been meaning to read it for awhile now, just been so busy lately. Might get started soon though.
This is a fantastic movie. It's one of those I've seen when it came out on some streaming site that not longer exists and then re-watch here and there due to just how good it is.
*hears the last of us and reads cordyceps in the title* Did someone call me?
She wasn’t trying to save everyone at all. It’s a very dark movie.
In the original story the Sargent who becomes infected and Melanie die during the attack on the compound trying to hold off the hord while the others escape in helicopters.
I don't know about in the movie, but in the book, she absolutely was. It's also worth saying that in this particular case, the book is far, far better than the movie.
@@ratking413 I'll definitely have to read it since I thought the movie was great, so the book must be awesome!
@@ratking413 really?
The girl with all the gifts opened Pandora's box deliberately in order to release hope.
It wasn't an attempt to destroy the "threat" of the pods to the non-infected.
It was to remove the threat of the non-infected non symbiotic humans who themselves had little hope.
@@anilchowdhury76 Indeed:
ruclips.net/video/wHsqEb0F1Tw/видео.html
(The best hope for humanity is now to develop as symbiotic beings with the Cordyceps)
Definitely going to be checking out this movie. Awesome video buddy.
8:00 I hate that in movies and games...A suppressed rifle w/ hypersonic rounds is gonna do about absolutely nothing to hide your position when the enemy is literally 2 feet away.
Pretty sure armored vehicle manufacturers know to hide the fuel line away to avoid that exact problem
Yeah probably
It would only make sense lmao
Hollywoodism!
Ill take C. always have the shutters down, I mean who has breakable glass windows in your lab with zombies, at least put hardened glass or bars on the windows :)
Right!
Also... a fence? Really? Why don’t they have concrete walls? There could be millions of them and they would not be able to pierce through that wall...
iTs fOr ThE pLot
I can make a case for some sort of window - visibility. If you have a window then in case of a breach you can easily make sure no zombies are waiting for someone to stick their head out
@@piotrnapora5810 keyword: *breakable* - it's intelligent to have a way to see if there's danger outside, but it's the same as nothing if the window itself doesn't protect you on its own
I feel like I've learned more in this video than all my health classes combined, sorry (good) health teachers
OHHH! So this was the moive!
i was searching for this for..like....YEARS
The hells with that doctor? I'm cool to slice a kid open but "oh God a rat"? What did she think was gunna be under there?
If im not wrong, the rat jumped to her when she opened the cover (in the book)
Humans are naturally averse to rats as they carry diseases. She probably isn't surprised just fearful.
Plot -- that's what was under there, lol.
Med student here, and I can tell you from experience that rats can really be scarier than surgery :') the "sense of duty/do it for science" mindset desensitizes you from things like that 'autopsy,' but a rat is still a rat
Because the doctor is a dummy.
04:07 see, when I watched the movie, I never felt it was merely a 'coincidence' that Melanie picked her own room # (4); by then, she'd realized the #s corelated w/each "kid's" cell # &subsequently which one would be taken - &likely killed - &since she didn't want to be the one choosing their fate , she selflessly chose herself. This was but one of the ways they hinted at Melanie having a conscience &wasn't just a mindless "zombie".
Who knows what will happen once puberty kicks in.
8:04 if u use subsonic ammo with a supressor it’s surprisingly quiet aside from the sound of the impact
The whole movie falls apart when the zombies manage to topple the fence. The walking dead tactics of walking the fence and stabbing anything that has gathered there to death is technically flawless.
That is a good idea the problem is when the whole fence is surrounded and you do not have enough people to do the whole fence
Yeah and they are running. One breakthrough and everyone is dead.
You simply can't compare slow walking to fast running.
@@definitelyaperson6334 When the survival of what may be the last humans' base is at play, you find the manpower....
they have 5 soldiers to carry kids to school, i bet they can spare a few soldiers to secure the perimeter.
(but then there wouldn't be a story, we need dumb people for adventures to happen ^^)
@@etienne8110 last humans…
Maybe they were just short on humans. They might’ve spared a few for the kids because they’re a high priority, and just didn’t count on getting surrounded.
@@jonahulichny9874 so in the end it is poor management of ressources, not lack of.
What use to bring all kids at the same time rather than 2 per 2 or such? Less soldiers involved for same result even if high priority. Freeing manpower for more immediatly vital tasks, like making sure they aren t breached in. ^^
(Probably more convenient writing than sensible)
Totally not me watching this in between finals
Good luck on your finals bro!
@spinel passed MOST of them, thanks man!
@@drboo7398 good for you dude
Around the 20-minute Mark you talked about symbiotic relationship of self-preservation without our consciousness that is exactly what the future holds for us they want us to interface with computers and that will be considered symbiotic and we will no longer be in the driver's seat
Wow u have the most complex breakdowns on RUclips, amazing
I suppose what makes Melanie "special" is her obsession with her teacher, and the teachers response to it. This need for Miss Justineaus approval and affect, motivates Melanie to excel among the other experimental subjects and drives her to try to recreate her classroom experience among the London children.
Another symbiotic relationship 😉
My favorite part of this video? When he said the thing about how suppressors are not quiet and still can cause deafness. Very rarely does someone mention that!
Especially semi automatic that have a cycling system.
Everybody mentions and knows that it's just movies still pretending they're magic.
I like ur channel i just keep adding to my movie list to watch
I got literally chills when he said that the massive group of infected were preparing to transform into one of those super nests. 😳
Cats and dogs actually sweat, not as much as humans but they still have sweat glands that are mostly on their paw beans
“Paw beans”
Love It!
My sphynx sweats everywhere D:
The whole movie is a snickers commercial “you’re not you when you’re hungry”
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Fire propagation of spores is a terrible idea. A tree that big would burn extremely hot and the spores would ignite, and and we would have a powder explosion.
I remember watching this movie a long time ago at a sleepover with a couple friends and it was pretty dope.
The kids were like: “GO BACK I WANT TO BE MONKE”
Fungus: I got you fam!
Reject humanity, become monke
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Well I appreciate you watching it!
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The song that kicked in around 25:00 sent me reeling because I do not know how I know that song but I know every note of it?