MHW Iceborne [PC]: Alatreon - 09'36"86 - Hunting Horn
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Sub10 TA wiki rules ! I tested both full elemental and raw elemental. Those two options are good. The ideal scenario for this run was to have enough element to get the elemental topple at the right time (when alatreon decides to fly). I'm very happy with the end result !
Enjoy ! Thanks for watching !
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Let me copy that set and fail miserably real quick.
Amazing run, maestro!
Thank you ! This set is actually really comfy for fighting alatreon. You can remove some crit eye for full health boost and voila !
@@Doos thanks, good to know. I'll give it a shot
@Robert Moots I'd think attack because it's a speedrun
But from my experience, you need the right balance between raw and element.
Less element and more raw kills fast but might not get past the threshhold.
Tons of element at the cost of damage gets you easily past it but the fight might take too long and you can't stop the third nova.
Try and push the set a little more to the elemental side (more elemental awakenings for example) if you can't get past the elemental damage check.
I think I’ll need health boost 20 to stand a chance. Thanks for the vdo though. I have been trying to solo with hh from released date. Still have 358 days left....
Simply Brutal
I love HH speedrun, the way you keep hitting the head is so satisfying to see...
Amazing run!!
That right swing in between the 2nd and 3rd line thunders is a true BIG PEE PEE MOVE.
God damn, Deus, you're unstoppable!
Impressive run! Not only for the perfect positioning, the management of the melodies and the choice of the attacks based on the Alatreon's openings, but also for the intelligent balance between raw and elemental damage of the set you have chosen.
The way you charged up 3 impact wave songs just before the knockdown was amazing!
9:16 when that swing missed I felt a deep pain in my chest.
Damn, those camera angles and depth perception.
Solid run.
HH is soo underrated! I dont know why No people ever uses it!
Underrated? 9:36 mins in a TA is not acceptable. Other weapons doing this sub 6 or even less on ps4. HH is really that bad lol.
@@ejinathan It’s not bad it’s just a slower weapon so it can’t get out attacks as fast as weapons like long sword lmao learn what you’re talking about before you pull shit out of your ass
The reason why is because they think “hunting horn? That doesn’t sound strong compared to great sword or other weapons.” Not only that, but some people think that hunting horn is a straight support weapon when in reality, hunting horn is just a hammer mixed with a charge blade. I say charge blade cause you can buff yourself with mindeye so your weapon never bounces. I think maybe if people gave the horn a chance, then they would love it. I play DND and I love to play bards so when I saw hunting horn, it stuck out to me instantly and I was like “a weapon where I hit monsters with instruments?! THIS WAS MADE FOR ME!!!”
@@plaguedoctor8317 exactly man people sleep on this weapon so hard despite it doing good amounts of damage no it’s not very good for speeeruns compared to other weapons because of how slow it is
@@FGCtrash that’s very true, but it makes for good content. Hitting monsters with instruments is funny.
This is the best monster they have released,his hitboxes are fantastic and stopped me getting frustrated first day of carting.cant believe people want him nerfed
9:37
Awww, I really would have liked to see how much damage that triple encore would have done.
Wow just knew it
with that setup? roughly 800.
@@Laoruperteen18 is that echoe wave attack really necessary for dps? I'm using HH but I'm a noob about it
@@wallacesousuke1433 late but yes. You can get some unreal DPS numbers. Say you have 3 charged up and each hit for 150 each. That 450 damage. Add in the encore which combines all 3 again which would be another 450 not counting the hit damage from activating the melody AND the hit damage for encore. Plus it hits for Stun/KO damage too.
Good for monsters that has long knockdown times. But best bet is to just save only two then encore them. Or you can just Heavy Slam into Spin which does significant damage too.
Awesome run 👏 👏 Alatreon really demonstrates that with good hitzones it’s possible to make clutch claw optional.
What in love about this run is not just the fact that it’s fast but they punish nearly every move the monster did. Go back and watch nearly punished every move. That’s crazy positioning.
I was able to solo Blazing Black Twilight today after watching this run. I'm so grateful to you speedruners for showing us how its done :)
Congratulations ! That's not an easy one to tackle. I'm happy to hear that this video helped you !
I literally learn so much from hunting horn speed runs thank you hh speed runners
You make hunting horn hunters proud, nicely done👏
Nothing but much respect for "The" Maestro!
5:39 went with the music
Secret special hidden move of the horn, more damage if you time your attacks to the OST of the monster you fight :D
Someone on TDS: takes 2 hits in a hunt
Me: So they do bleed.
I've been punishing his moves so bad. Thanks for this run I think i can improve my current record vs Alatreon
And i thought my 20min run was good xD
Haha, I still can't kill it...
@@boredguy819 its doable tho, just needs practice ;)
Oh, definitely. My internet is bad, so unfortunately beotodus charge blade is the best I got, but I should be able to kill it. The more I fight it, the funner it is
@@boredguy819 the fight with alatreon is always amazing everytime
THAT FINISHER!!! Loved it!!!
Super smooth moves, superpounds we’re on point!
Holy shit just complete destruction.
Well done man
Hunting horn is a more of a offensive weapon than a support weapon and this video proves it
This was a great video! Seeing this hunt makes me want to learn HH. Where do I start?
That's awesome! If you are new to the HH, I recommend watching this video from MH PH Elites : ruclips.net/video/BAuV5J9JSv4/видео.html
After you are done with Part 1, you can jump to part 2 to see how the multiple moves of the HH can be used depending on the situation. We have great guides and resources out there. I also do have some on my channel. I recommend checking them out :) !
The Master Musician Strikes again! Nice played Deus! :D
Respect. Shave off a couple seconds without them challenger gems.
Alateron: you punie Hunter
Hunter: I am a punie what’s your excuse
Alatreon was like the giant trying to swat an annoying fly but keep missing. 😂
Ah yes, the doot doot made of stereotypical red dragon scales and an eye murders the Avatar in dragon form. Expected out of the so-called: "Support Weapon"
This was sick, very well done
Started with HH yesterday and I love it, more people should try it!
8:21 very nice
My first run was 30 mins, my most recent one was 19, I'll have to see what to do to get this good, good job!
That's quite the improvement! Thanks and good luck to you !
That battle dance ❤️ nice run! Maestro .
Seems i have much more to learn. I manage to beat it 33mins 😩 and got 2 faints.
Thank you for the build
I'm new to the game and my first weapon is HH
Do you also have an Ice Build HH for Alatreon?
Also, is it better to put Affinity Increase on the Safi weapon than another Attack Increase?
thanks to you i managed to dip my PB of 12:43 to 10:14 Sub 10 here i come! :D
Quick question from a average horner: Why do you not soften the head or wallbang, even if you have the opportunity?
Amazing skill video!
The head is a very high hitzone. If a hitzone is high, you'll get less from tenderizing. In this case, Alatreon's head is 85 and it goes to 88. If you want to tenderize, it's better to focus on the forelegs.
This is a TA wiki rules run. In this ruleset, wall bang, mantles, palicoes are banned. Thanks for the kind words !
@@Doos this is an amazing piece of info. I did it solo on hunting horn but it took me 30 minutes...terrible. I get slapped around so much when trying to soften him. And he stays so long in the air on my hunts. This video makes me aim to be better. Will try it again this weekend!
I also don't understand his dragon explosion. In a lot of videos I see people near him and not get hit. how to do this? Talking about his attack at 3:57 and at 7:00 minutes
@@Doos Thanks for the reply,
I thought if I (or You, for that matter) consistently hit the head, the little extra damage adds up. Especially if I wallbang, I get the bonus softened spot damage.
Also softening procs WE and allows for easier Masters Touch uptime.
Do You tenderize in Your casual hunts? Do You even hunt casually :D
Do you recommend softening for advanced, but not nearly speedrun level, players?
@@Zatsumaster Alatreon here is a specific case. Usually hitzones are not that high.I explained above why I don't tenderiize this monster "specifically'. For all the other hunts on my channel, you can see that I tenderize. Tenderizing is still the way to go. And this is a specific speedrun. In regular hunts, tenderizing the arms is very useful.
@@Gimmershred Late, but the dragon explosion is possible to dodge through, especially if you have Safi gear for the evade window extender. That's how most people get through it unharmed. But from this video it looks as if the ice walls actually block the damage. I'm not sure if that's the case, as I've never experienced it or read anything about it, but his positioning during the first explosion looks very intentional to protect himself while still being able to attack.
Beautiful run!
Well done, super clean.
Could make a video about how good it's the new ALATREON HH special note??
Very nice run! BTW what do you think about the Alatreon's HH for this run? It is dragon element, yes, but it looks promising with how much dragon it has coupled with element up songs and a nice chung of purple.
It's not a good option here when you can match the correct elemental weakness and deal more damage. Besides, Alatreon's dragon values are pretty bad. It's a good elemental horn for dragon weak fights, but Alatreon is not one of those.
@@Doos Gotcha! Thanks!!
when alatreon does these lightning strikes - why dont you always use a superpound before the echo attack? like at 9:22 you go for a quick attack, not enough time for a superpound?
Congratulations on an amazing time!
Just curious why you have 10 excess affinity in the build (I'm guessing because it is hard to get tenderize reliably)?
Late reply but I have 20% extra affinity to make up for the lack of tenderizing. If the part you attack is not tenderized, weakness exploit only gives you 30% instead of 50%. You're missing 20% there and since I don't tenderize as much, I went for this.
The 10% you're speaking of is probably from agitator. I didn't want to rely on a situational skill all the time. The extra affinity is appreciated but it was mainly for the raw boost.
I had never tried seriously alatreon but HH is by new bet.
Great run!!!
I want to try it in solo with the hh too. Its one of my main goals. Can I Switch the horn to the ice Safi one if Alatreon starts with fire element?
Thank you for the HH content deus
This is art!
Do you plan on doing any livestreams?
Fun fact about hunting horn, that handle stab does cutting damage. This means you can cut the tails off monster with a hunting horn. I wouldn’t recommend it cause.....it’s kinda pointless and if your trying to cut the tail off a monster....use a different weapon cause that’s not horns job. Horns job is to be a better hammer and carry the team to victory.
amazing run！
Why did you attack his head when he first time casting thunder attack, but turning to attack limbs instead of head at the rest thunder attacks? isn't it keeping attack head better?
By the way, I was waiting for a HH speedrun to break into 10 mins, you did a really great job.
I can hardly imagine someone can do that, my personal record is 17"24"75. I recognized HH need a special customized set to get faster record.
Probably to make sure he hits the element topple threshold as the front legs take the most elemental damage on Alatreon.
The horn maestro Rules 🤘
The one fight I wish I had a Fire Horn for...
Seeing your different runs on Alatreon, I think I am way too greedy stressed by meeting the element dps check that I forget to just "dance" around the monster as usual.
@AmaDEUS_225 you say that Fire Alatreon is more fun with HH, can you post your advice on a build for that please ? Thanks in advance !
That's what I thought at first but now I've realized that Ice mode is better. Less aggressive and you have more windows to punish it compared to fire mode.
For fire mode alatreon, I would use the same build as here, except you would swap the element to ice.
smooth ending
I have a question, escanora + safi is stronger than full safi?
how did you get that Layered-armour skin?
What's a good hh set up for your first time fighting him?
I really wanna know what that item prolonger was for. Can anyone please tell me?
Does running elemental melody IV will boost the team's elemental DPS significantly? I was wondering if it could support the whole team to meet the DPS check way quicker this way
I remember seeing a video on youtube saying that Auxl buff increase more elemental dmg compare to Element up buff
Nickz Do you have the source for this? I'm pretty interested in the difference. I know that AuXL is way higher damage than EAB, but I'm not actually sure if AuXL affects elemental damage itself due to how it works. *Anyway, to answer the original question, run the song-list regardless of the damage boost. This is because it has Blight Negation and elemental resistances that are integral to keeping teammates alive, paired with the bubble effect that adds and buffs both elemental damage and resistances. In my personal experience, I've had much more success with that song-list than anything else that provides AuXL. And I mean out of like 40 Alatreon hunts, some using Safi's Attack Melody III, and others Elemental Melody IV. To answer the question specifically, I'm not sure if the damage discrepancy between AuXL and EAB+Effectiveness Up is marginal or significant; even so, I recommend Elemental Melody IV because ALIVE teammates do much better elemental damage than those who cart or have to constantly heal. Also consider that Elemental Melody IV has Echo Wave Dragon, which does elemental damage too, though I think Attack Melody IV technically has this too (not that you'd use it as much as the Echo Wave spinning attack to apply elemental DPS anyway). Some people run Alatreon armor for this fight also (something I'd suggest you do) so Blight Res Up (L) doubles as both an offensive and defensive statistical increase.
*Note: If you do plan on taking Elemental Melody IV though, then just invest in Alatreon's Revival Hunting Horn. It uses this song-list, except it excels in dragon damage compared to every other Hunting Horn in the game, which is exactly what you need if you want to hit the threshold to weaken Escaton Judgement.
TL;DR I don't know if it "significantly" increases the elemental damage, but it DOES increase elemental damage on top of having other necessary support skills for this specific fight, so definitely use a horn that has the Elemental Melody IV song-list.
@@NicholasThunderX Do not spread this misinformation anymore. Auxl gives far better damage, but it doesn't affect Element in any way with the sole exception being bowguns. Bowguns elemental damage is based off their raw attack so they may gain more from Auxl than element boost.
@@abutterfly1351 wow, thanks for the insight. That's the thing, I was wondering about making alatreon revival build with alatreon armor set skill. I thought if my team mates also use alatreon's set skill it would boost both their resistance and their elemental attack which make weakening it's escaton way easier. That's why i'm asking to make sure if it's going to be in any significant effect.
Azi Steel I think its my fault that I didnt make it clear, I mean the damage output from auxl boost is higher than elemental boost regardless on raw or elemental dmg. On the other hand, elemental boost does give higher elemental damage but the dmg dealed is lower than auxl boost
Is tenderize banned in new TA rules? Great run as always
It is not, no. I don't tenderize because the hitzones are already really good. You gain barely anything from tenderizing the head. Diminishing returns. Thanks !
Beautiful!
now this is impressive.
How effective is a 2 Alatreon/3 safi setup on HH, or compared to 5 piece safi? I’ve been wondering is if it’d be worth making some pieces after I kill alatreon a few more times.
it's less damage than 5 pc safi but he used it here for the innate 20 dragon res that comes from escadora waist, to negate dragonblight
Heard someone said if you are using kjarr HH (the ones that have ele resist songs, haven't tested it myself) that you supposedly end up with almost the same amount of element, but keeping up so many songs up can be a pain in the butt (same HH will also have to keep ele attack up and ele effectivness up at all times along with usual self-improvement) but I could see it being used as a comfy variant vs future AT elders for sure
New to the game: y you intentionally didn't wound the head, is there any reason for that?
Great vid as always
Weaking depends on how "tough" the part of the monster is, the "tougher" the part, the more you get out of a weakening (and the "softer" a part is, the less you get out of it); but since Alatreon has pretty good hitzone values on the head and the forearms you dont need to weaken it
Phobio that’s not entirely true. It’s more about alatreon having a bunch of moves that will kill you (with rocksteady) or knock you off wich in both cases doesn’t lend itself to speedruning
@@Omega-cy6fs Hm, actually there are a few moves that you can punish and cc onto; when he gets into the air and breathes fire/ice down; you wont get hit the whole animation.
What I said tho is true, atleast for the weakening part. I'm sure there are better hitzones than the ones from Alatreon but they arent that bad either
Both Phobio and Omega are right in parts. Alatreon has some hitzones good enough to the point where you don't really need to maintain tenderizes to deal good damage AND the openings to CC are better used for quicker punishes than for risking a wounding attack.
Because clutching alatreon is usually suicide, he should have done it when he was claggered tho, silly not to.
I've actually wondered : are the dragon echo waves a good alternative for this fight if you go for an dragon element horn and decos?
edit : also, how did the shockwave at 3:58 not hit you? Is the head "protected" by the shockwave (similiar to standing close to Kirin when he cast his lighting) ?
I wouldn’t go for dragon element at all meinem because you have a 2 star advantage at most but the dragon waves themselves are useful during his dragon active state. For the shockwave I belive the second one he does in dragon active mode either has a Tiny hitbox or none at all since I have „dodged“ through it many times with different timings.
1. Alatreon has terrible dragon hitzone values so most of the time the impact echo waves will out dps the dragon ones and do the extra K.O. damage on top of that.
2. The shockwave that alatreon sends out when he's shifting elements has a super small hit box. It just didn't hit him.
I just positioned myself to avoid the attack. This specific shockwave during the dragon mode transition is very easy to avoid if you stand right in front of the head. Not too close though !
Dragon echo wave scales mainly with raw damage, and it does not care about your weapon's element. In fact, it uses a fixed amount of dragon. So your dragon horn's element doesn't actually do anything for the damage. This is why dragon wave works better on raw HHs with AuxL. It's your primary way to boost the damage (weird, I know).
@@Doos Okay, so the shockwave really is smaller than it seems (rolled through it quite some times but never tried spacing correctly). Actually like Kirins chargeup where you can still hit him with a overhead smash.
I knew that the dragon echo wave scales with raw (not much, I think 0.3 or so?) and AFAIT it also scales a bit with dragonattack decorations.
I mainly asked since Alatreon has a 2 star weakness to dragon in dragon-active mode and I thought the dragon waves might be an alternative to the impact waves for the fight,
but as others pointed out already that impact echo waves are the way to go
(also as others already said, amazing hunt, good job)
Exactly how much element conversion does Alatreon armor give you over running full 5 piece Safi?
I saw a screenshot of someone managing 2700+ dragon element on alatreon's switch axe. Highest I could a safi dragon switch axe to with full safi armor is 1630. So, a lot if you have a set built around it.
Amazing Run!
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Nice run as always but I was wondering if the layered hat was a mod or not. I don't see it in the layered armor section
It seems to be the Girros Armor wich is available without mods
This is the master rank girros armor. And I'm using the transmog mod for this one !
@@Doos Ah, got it. Guess I'm waiting till fall for master rank layered armor since I'm on console
Sheeet. That was beautiful af
While the other speedrunners use rock steady cheese, AmaDeus goes in with just his doot doot
You make it sound like using rock steady makes people good at the game 🤔
@@weebutrash8733 Never said that. Just takes away the intensity of the fight when you see someone face tank damage just for dps. Versus someone who's moving between attacks gracefully and line up a face smack
one of the TA wiki rules say that you shouldn't use mantles after all
@@Kensuke0987 i know that, but some speedrunners do TA rules and some don't, the other person is comparing them both when you really can't.
Everyone running safi set and I don’t even have a piece plus he just left.
I hate how the majority of good gear is locked behind limited quests. What’s the point?
@@Davidon-fm9hk Silver Rathalos set is still almost as good as Safi's is
That also might be the reason they are locked behind limited quests because they are so good 😂
@@Davidon-fm9hk theyre on for entire weeks lmao, if you miss those, blame yourself
So clean ...
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beautiful
Nice run👍
sub 9'30or9'20?
Thank you Dengaku ! With cleaner play and better punish, I think we can get sub9'30. I'll try again when I find the time.
@@Doos GOOD LUCK😎
Are you using a mod for the set to look like that?
Apparently, Deus gave the answer in a reply to a different comment. Transmog mod, master rank girros layered armor.
Nice run.
What makes it regenate health can someone please answer Thanks
Safi armor
OMG Escadora set
I'm not super versed in the art of speedrunning, but why didn't you tenderize? too much wasted time for the extra dps?
Alatreon's head is a 85 hitzone. If you tenderize it, the value goes to 88...not significant enough. This is because you get less from tenderizing, the higher the hitzone gets. So in this case, I had no reason to tenderize as much as usual !
BACON IVE FOUND YOU IN THE WILD
OMG.. I thought this video didnt exist.
HH WON HH WON HH WON
He called me useless in many languages
Wow, I’m still trying to catch up to your first time and now this?
I’ll keep working on my runs until I match at least your 11’29
wow never knew HH was so strong until i saw this guy lol....i am a CB user and i suck at it ...
Hunting horn master = master
I love the feelig of HH Alatreon,
But the weapon choice part is hard.
Alway enjoy watching your run
And will try your set coz i cant copy your skills 🤣🤣🤣
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1:00 hmm that punish looks familiar.
perfect play, amazing gear and still took 9 minutes (longer than every other weapon's speedruns)
i'm convinced this weapon just sucks ass, no wonder it's the least used
Wow!
I want to see your basic hunting video.
I let others do the element stuff while I shoot at it from a safe distance :P
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At last i found u amadeus.... My HH senpai hahahha
It's cool
Best
Bela luta, pensei que não dava pra derrota-lo com Hunting Horn
DOOS DOOS DOOS HH WON HH WON HH WON WR WR WR