Bow can easily do so, too. But going high/pure elemental isn't as necessary as it was advertised to be. This is because raw attack is what actually kills alatreon much much faster because his elemental hitzone values are actually poor. ruclips.net/video/JZ-AO0pM3UA/видео.html You only really need just a high enough element attack to "contain his power" just 1x which is already sufficient to make escaton judgement survivable. The advantage of doing so more than once is it gives more breathing room to heal escaton tick damage. And more knockdown means more window to deal damage to his horns so you can achieve an easier break once he shifts to dragon element (his horns are only breakable when he's in dragon mode btw). I agree with IDeVaste, going full elemental is only good for weakening escaton judgement but sub-optimal overall in terms of damage and breaking the horns (and other parts and causing flinches and claggers for that matter). This is why almost all of the fastest clear times I see only aims to reach the elemental dps check just 1x and then the rest of the builds are actually geared more towards more damage that is mostly raw. Look at this SnS heroics run for example (the fastest solo run I've ever seen! nearly killing alatreon before it could even do an escaton) ruclips.net/video/JprkRBN2jcg/видео.html And SnS is pretty suitable for elemental damage yet his build is for getting as much raw as possible. Then compare DB to Bow. ruclips.net/video/TPkpbAMw6HI/видео.html Although both can easily shut down alatreon's element 3x prior his 1st escaton, DB clears much faster because it can be very balanced between raw and element (thereby dishing out much more damage) as opposed to Bow which simply speaking is a pure elemental weapon with dragon piercer as its only raw-focused move. If anything, I think alatreon's 1st escaton comes usually at a little over the 5 minute mark, and from runs such as this and others where alatreon's element is shut down 3x, I'm lead to believe that this is the max and actually forces escaton to come out earlier to sort of reset his elemental threshold (kinda like teo/luna mode reset after nova or nergi spike reset after divebomb) It is now also shown to be possible for 4P to kill alatreon without him getting to pull off an escaton judgement. This is achievable by dishing out the highest numbers (I think ideally high raw with high enough element just in case but could actually be doable pure raw. Edit: 4P-bowgun world record is pure pierce). ruclips.net/video/zUN9qFUc7F4/видео.html ruclips.net/video/CCkHa67smys/видео.html Granted these are very optimized runs and godly monster AI RNG, but still... Don't you think it's quite ironic that DB being largely considered as the best matchup for alatreon has yet to accomplish the same feat and that 4P-GS has beat it to the punch? Even SnS and its mini-GS tier attacks get to have faster clear times...
I actually managed to get the special knockdown FOUR times in one of my solo runs, plus a K.O lol. After escaton I got another knockdown for a total of five in one run; I think the escaton judgement timing is %HP based and considering how sloppy my run was (by letting him enrage during aerial phase and taking needless hits) I was able to delay it enough to get an extra KD. Here's the run for proof: ruclips.net/video/E85JNgUKirA/видео.html I'm still practicing how to script runs but so far I've managed to get my time down to about 7 min so i'm nowhere near Masa's level yet :P
And that is actually already sufficient to make escaton judgement survivable with proper max potion / astera jerky timing. ruclips.net/video/JZ-AO0pM3UA/видео.html Going pure/high elemental isn't as optimal as it was hyped up to be. Just aim to have a high enough element to be able to weaken EJ once then the gear the rest of your build for higher dps (ideally for more raw after enough element has been reached, but up to players to add some more element just in case and depending on how aggressive they can be on dealing elemental damage). This is because alatreon's elemental hitzone values (hzv) are actually low whereas his raw hzv are very high (his highest is second only to Kulve Taroth's which is the game's highest). The need for high element on weapons is to counter these poor element hzv as you aim to beat the element dps check at least once to make EJ survivable. The resulting knockdown is great and all but if you geared pure elemental and didn't boost your raw attack as well, it'll actually take much longer to break his horns and it'll also take longer to kill him. Balance is key. Look at this SnS heroics run and also his non heroics run. In both, he reached the elemental dps check only once yet he achieved comparable and even faster clear times than DB. In the heroics run, he even came really close to killing alatreon before it was able to do an EJ. ruclips.net/video/JprkRBN2jcg/видео.html Ironically, GS players are actually achieving some of the fastest clear times such as this ruclips.net/video/NzcjJ2z1dJc/видео.html 4P-GS have even been able to kill alatreon sub 4'. Alatreon was not given the chance to do its nova. ruclips.net/video/zUN9qFUc7F4/видео.html 4P-Bowgun World record (pure pierce) ruclips.net/video/CCkHa67smys/видео.html And bows are actually getting slower solo clear times due to being purely elemental aside from dragon piercer and I guess thousand dragons (slinger burst). Granted these are very optimized runs and monster AI RNGesus smiling at the time, but still the point that having so/too much element is not as necessary as advertised has now become more apparent. And for those struggling with alatreon's flying mode, just as in previous games where when speedrunners go against black dragons they farcaster out once the monster becomes airborne so as to ground it, the work-around in this iteration of alatreon's fight are smokebombs and/or ghillie mantle which achieves the de-aggroing effect which is what actually makes black dragons land back down. 😁
Nope. Dual Blades has a one-hit tenderize combo. Press O or B a bunch and hit L2/LT to clutch. The dodge itself is from Demon Mode, the animation is probably actually a mod
How are you able to go into the clutch claw spins without doing the spin to win? I tried to do what you did and it doesn't work I can only do spin to win>two upper spins>clutch attack. I noticed you were able to do dodge>upper spins>clutch or attack>upper spins>clutch which is faster.
Hello Masa, if I dont have a Kajar daggers, what set can you recommend me using? Currently i have silver sol set + safi ice dual blades and ita taking me atleast 18 minutes to finish alatreon solo. Thx.
I'm pretty sure it's at the 5 minute mark no matter what. It was in this video, and it usually feels like I've been through three of them by the time I get to the 15-18 minute mark. His speed in shifting phases does seem to vary, but that might just be placebo
【build】
Kjarr Daggers "lce"
・Defense Increase Ⅰ
・Element /Status Effect Up Ⅲ
Safi Crested Crown β＋
Safi Crested Chest a＋
Safi Crested Vambraces β＋
Safi Crested Belt β＋
Safi Crested Boots β＋
Fury Charm Ⅴ
Challenger Jewel + 4×2
Frost Jewel + 4
Hard Enduring Jewel+ 4
Tenderizer Jewel 2×3
Challenger Jewel 2
Sharp Jewel 2
Frost Jewel 1×4
Expert Jewel 1
Evasion Mantle +
(Sprinter Jewel 2×2)
Rocksteady Mantle +
(Attack Jewel 1×2)
Ice Attack Level 6
Agitator Level 5
Resentment Level 5
Blight Resistance Level 3
Critical Boost Level 3
Weakness Exploit Level 3
Evade Window Level 3
Item Prolonger Level 3
Critical Eye Level 1
Protective Polish Level 1
Critical Element Level 1
Set Bonus Skills
・True Dragonvein Awakening
Food Skill
・Felyne Black Belt
・Felyne Acrobat
・Felyne Sprinter
Noted
Thanks for sharing this one
Have you tried blight resistance 2 mixed with Coalescence? It seems pretty powerful in this fight.
Anyone know what Felyne sprinter does? The wiki says it reduces stamina while transporting like an egg but I think it does more than that
@@jordandoughty2658 I don't think it does any more than that also the third food skill is random in this build
Is kajarr daggers ice and rage rare??
4:10ここの傷付けまじで上手い
takes longer than 6 mins for me to even consider whether I want to actually accept the hunt
This guy kills alatreon faster than me killing jagras...
He also spends a lot more time fighting alatreon than you playing the game
I have never seen someone shut down it's element 3 times before an Escaton, I love this channel
yeah wtf .....
Yeah 3 times and you know your doing bits lol. I can knock him down 2 times but I also can’t do it any quicker than 15 mins solo. This guy is sick lol
Bow can easily do so, too. But going high/pure elemental isn't as necessary as it was advertised to be. This is because raw attack is what actually kills alatreon much much faster because his elemental hitzone values are actually poor.
ruclips.net/video/JZ-AO0pM3UA/видео.html
You only really need just a high enough element attack to "contain his power" just 1x which is already sufficient to make escaton judgement survivable. The advantage of doing so more than once is it gives more breathing room to heal escaton tick damage. And more knockdown means more window to deal damage to his horns so you can achieve an easier break once he shifts to dragon element (his horns are only breakable when he's in dragon mode btw).
I agree with IDeVaste, going full elemental is only good for weakening escaton judgement but sub-optimal overall in terms of damage and breaking the horns (and other parts and causing flinches and claggers for that matter). This is why almost all of the fastest clear times I see only aims to reach the elemental dps check just 1x and then the rest of the builds are actually geared more towards more damage that is mostly raw.
Look at this SnS heroics run for example (the fastest solo run I've ever seen! nearly killing alatreon before it could even do an escaton)
ruclips.net/video/JprkRBN2jcg/видео.html
And SnS is pretty suitable for elemental damage yet his build is for getting as much raw as possible.
Then compare DB to Bow.
ruclips.net/video/TPkpbAMw6HI/видео.html
Although both can easily shut down alatreon's element 3x prior his 1st escaton, DB clears much faster because it can be very balanced between raw and element (thereby dishing out much more damage) as opposed to Bow which simply speaking is a pure elemental weapon with dragon piercer as its only raw-focused move.
If anything, I think alatreon's 1st escaton comes usually at a little over the 5 minute mark, and from runs such as this and others where alatreon's element is shut down 3x, I'm lead to believe that this is the max and actually forces escaton to come out earlier to sort of reset his elemental threshold (kinda like teo/luna mode reset after nova or nergi spike reset after divebomb)
It is now also shown to be possible for 4P to kill alatreon without him getting to pull off an escaton judgement. This is achievable by dishing out the highest numbers (I think ideally high raw with high enough element just in case but could actually be doable pure raw. Edit: 4P-bowgun world record is pure pierce).
ruclips.net/video/zUN9qFUc7F4/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/CCkHa67smys/видео.html
Granted these are very optimized runs and godly monster AI RNG, but still... Don't you think it's quite ironic that DB being largely considered as the best matchup for alatreon has yet to accomplish the same feat and that 4P-GS has beat it to the punch? Even SnS and its mini-GS tier attacks get to have faster clear times...
I actually managed to get the special knockdown FOUR times in one of my solo runs, plus a K.O lol. After escaton I got another knockdown for a total of five in one run; I think the escaton judgement timing is %HP based and considering how sloppy my run was (by letting him enrage during aerial phase and taking needless hits) I was able to delay it enough to get an extra KD.
Here's the run for proof: ruclips.net/video/E85JNgUKirA/видео.html
I'm still practicing how to script runs but so far I've managed to get my time down to about 7 min so i'm nowhere near Masa's level yet :P
@@Sarutobi-xd4pw it's more of a race to see who can kill the other 1st
> kills alatreon
> doesn’t even carve
Excuse me whaaaaat?!
imagine this person accepting your SOS flare, free win
LMAO
A dream
Not if you cart 3 times first 🤣
In fact this is like a dance, with more participants it becomes unpredictable and harder with that dps build
You never even let Alatreon fly for a minute lmao.
Those damage numbers are insane
Never thought I'd see the day I felt sorry for Alatreon
amazing run！！5分台おめでとうございます🎉㊗️🎉
TAKEさん、ありがとうございます！
マジで歴史の教科書載るべきだと思うわ
だがモンハンの歴史の教科書には載らない....
スゲー立回りしてるのにお供の名前が可愛いW
スネ夫「せめて剥ぎとれ」
双剣５分台おめでとうございます凄すぎますmasaさんナイスランです🎊㊗️👏
ゆうたさん、ありがとうございます！
何とか5分台でました💦
That moment when it takes you 5 minutes to hit the first dps check...
And that is actually already sufficient to make escaton judgement survivable with proper max potion / astera jerky timing.
ruclips.net/video/JZ-AO0pM3UA/видео.html
Going pure/high elemental isn't as optimal as it was hyped up to be. Just aim to have a high enough element to be able to weaken EJ once then the gear the rest of your build for higher dps (ideally for more raw after enough element has been reached, but up to players to add some more element just in case and depending on how aggressive they can be on dealing elemental damage). This is because alatreon's elemental hitzone values (hzv) are actually low whereas his raw hzv are very high (his highest is second only to Kulve Taroth's which is the game's highest). The need for high element on weapons is to counter these poor element hzv as you aim to beat the element dps check at least once to make EJ survivable. The resulting knockdown is great and all but if you geared pure elemental and didn't boost your raw attack as well, it'll actually take much longer to break his horns and it'll also take longer to kill him.
Balance is key.
Look at this SnS heroics run and also his non heroics run. In both, he reached the elemental dps check only once yet he achieved comparable and even faster clear times than DB. In the heroics run, he even came really close to killing alatreon before it was able to do an EJ.
ruclips.net/video/JprkRBN2jcg/видео.html
Ironically, GS players are actually achieving some of the fastest clear times such as this
ruclips.net/video/NzcjJ2z1dJc/видео.html
4P-GS have even been able to kill alatreon sub 4'. Alatreon was not given the chance to do its nova.
ruclips.net/video/zUN9qFUc7F4/видео.html
4P-Bowgun World record (pure pierce)
ruclips.net/video/CCkHa67smys/видео.html
And bows are actually getting slower solo clear times due to being purely elemental aside from dragon piercer and I guess thousand dragons (slinger burst).
Granted these are very optimized runs and monster AI RNGesus smiling at the time, but still the point that having so/too much element is not as necessary as advertised has now become more apparent.
And for those struggling with alatreon's flying mode, just as in previous games where when speedrunners go against black dragons they farcaster out once the monster becomes airborne so as to ground it, the work-around in this iteration of alatreon's fight are smokebombs and/or ghillie mantle which achieves the de-aggroing effect which is what actually makes black dragons land back down. 😁
Sarutobi1092 this would be useful if his gear was actually good and worth fighting him for
@@orlad.hunter3344 it is though
RaelJSR it’s not better than the current meta rn 🤨
@@orlad.hunter3344 it might not be meta but you cant say its not usefull
It is impresive how you are manage to surpass your own crazy speedruns! You are ultra instinct Dual blades Demigod
アルバトリオン、約6分よくがんばったよ泣
5分台…さすがです！！👏😊
投稿お疲れ様です。そして5分台おめでとうございます！
本当にいつ見ても参考になる双剣捌きで勉強になります
私はこれまでに30回の試みのうち2回彼を殴りました。彼を倒して初めて、もっと短い時間で彼をやる気がします。あなたは私たちにマサをインスパイアします！ありがとうございます。
You are good at Japanese.
@@くんのん-r9i おう！ありがとうな！
I expected this coming from you, great run masa
まじで当て所上手すぎ
見てて気持ちいい立ち回りでした！5分台素晴らしすぎます…！
seriously this is close to the theoretical max with this build
上手すぎ
最近モンハンを離れがちでしたがアルバトリオンが来たことでまたMasaさんの動画を見ようと思いました！
Masaさんの装備を参考に防具の基本系はムフェト防具で揃えることにしました！またモンハンを楽しむ日々を送りたいので少し辛いですが珠集め頑張ります！笑
双剣使いとしてとても尊敬してます！これからもたくさんの動画投稿を楽しみにしてます！ありがとうございました😌
やるとは思ってました！6分切り！
無駄の無い立回りお見事です！流石です！
this classic music of quest complete is so God like
when the monster cant dmg you so you choose to dmg yourself
I am French. You are a Great player ! C'est vraiment incroyable. J'adore ta façon de jouer !
ナイスラン🐏おつでした✨もはや神の領域ww㊗️㊗️
うおおおおおおお
マジマジおめでとうございます！！！！
すごい！すごすぎてすごい！！！
taはいつも散弾ヘビィ散弾ヘビィで悔しい思いでしたが、やっぱり双剣！masaさんの双剣ですよ！！最強の双剣使い！
立ち回りすごすぎです！
masa is perfect hunter!!!!!!!
やっべあんた最強だよ
Wow, you are insane! my best solo run was about 8 min and I can't see myself going below 7 anytime soon :[
Great run as always 👍
wow. perfect run . nice timing . nice run!
Okay what are those crazy ass moves for tenderizing and that dodge animation!? Mods?? They're sick
Nope. Dual Blades has a one-hit tenderize combo. Press O or B a bunch and hit L2/LT to clutch.
The dodge itself is from Demon Mode, the animation is probably actually a mod
最初から強すぎる
Under 6 mins!! Way to go!
うぽつ
なるほど、頭に傷を入れないのは傷無しでも100%になる調整だからか
まさかソロで3回抑制するとは……さすがっす。もう言葉が出ない()
双龍さん、うぽありです！
頭に傷入れても確か85→88で3しか上がらずあまり美味しくないので傷は前脚にしてダウン時に殴る事を考えて傷なし100%構成って感じです〜
双剣の属性ダウンほんと早いですよね🤣
Dual blade idol😎
Fast as lightning!
amazing!
He dose not let altreon to shift to ice ... Very nice run i ever see🤟
Arigatou Master Masha, i'm so glad i'm subscribed to your channel! Sasuga!
体力ゲージ上のアイコンがスゴいことになってる
Masaさん流石です！！お相変わらず双剣の神と言えばMasaさんですね！！僕もいつかこれぐらい上手くなりたいです！
Sugoi senpai !!!😍
はややややややや😳
masa the DB god
双剣の回避のモーションこんなカッコよかったっけ…
早すぎんだろ 神かよ...
まさに神速
同じ双剣使いの身としては参考にしたいですけど無理そうですねこれは...
Masa quick question what is the best blast dual blades? Is it the safi with teostra technique, or raging brachy ones?
今のとこRUclipsないで最速か…
やっぱ双剣使いは変態が多いな…
アイスボーン持ってないのでわからないんですけど現在の最速ってどれくらいなんですか？？
@@おんつー 昔で言うところのアマツみたいなポジションのモンスターをゼロ分針で討伐する人がこのモンスターでは7分かかってます
そこをmasaさんは五分で倒してます、レベチです
今のとこ見た感じではこの動画が最速っぽいです
@@おんつー 片手剣で5:27とヘビィボウガンで5:47の人がいますね
モブその01 なるほど
奈々井八 バケモンですね
特にヘビィはほんとやばい…
頭おかしい（誉め言葉)
6分切りおめでとうございます！
How did you get the green dash effect? and the weird thing on your left arm?
切ってる音が気持ちいい🤣
いやすご
ウィッチャーコラボの双剣がカッコよスギィ‼️
This man too strong gg
HRとMRがもう変態
nice！so cool！
何故 アルバトリオン相手にこんなに短い武器で戦えるんだ
he is using kjarr dagger but how does he have ciri dash
How are you able to go into the clutch claw spins without doing the spin to win? I tried to do what you did and it doesn't work I can only do spin to win>two upper spins>clutch attack. I noticed you were able to do dodge>upper spins>clutch or attack>upper spins>clutch which is faster.
I think the combo is dodge > Y attack > A attack > A attack > Clutch
I've never actually pulled it off myself, though, so I'm not 100% sure
@@saacinecrozma8317 It's dodge>Y>B>B>left trigger. Figured it out.
The skill woaouh
How can I have that green dash effect?
すみません、回避のときの緑エフェクトてどうやってもらえるんでしょうか？
ワールドの時コラボしたウィッチャーのクエストからジルエアエルとゆう武器が作れるのですが、これを武器重ね着にしたら回避した時エフェクトが出るようになります😊
@@masa-tj1or あ、なるほど。僕も持っているそうのですぐ作ります。ご返答ありがとうございます！！
Anyone know what it says in english? I'm curious as well, looks sick 👍
What kind of slinger is that?
Mad skills!
The best!
Hello Masa, if I dont have a Kajar daggers, what set can you recommend me using? Currently i have silver sol set + safi ice dual blades and ita taking me atleast 18 minutes to finish alatreon solo. Thx.
That is a good set, though you can change it to 2p Velk + 3p Safi with resentment, more damage but less comfy
@@phamlamanh4472 hmm let me try it, thanks for the info. I didn't grind for the Kajar last time been busy with other stuff.
shaved by gillete under 6 minutes, awesome :D
LMAI
双剣が導入された時と同じ感動を思い出した
何なんこの無駄のない動き‼️
はぁ、やっぱ双剣カッコいいな…
You are insane
始めの2回目抑制くらいまでは同じくらいなんだけどその後がなかなか上手く回らないんだよなぁ
初手雷で吹っ飛ばせなかった時とか最速じゃないとき上限何分くらいかかってるのか気になる……
あと乱舞多めで切ってる回数少ないから研ぐ回数も少なく済んでるのかな……？
単に早いから剛刃の恩恵だろうか
Dude you are 4 times faster than me killing single alatreon after 20 tries
Damn what makes his dodge blue like that
回避の装衣も着ると避けたら緑色に光りましたっけ？
いやw早すぎるw
アルバもよく耐えたもんだw
好俊的雙刀！好酷
god...!
...Nani!!!
モンハン界のリヴァイ兵長ですね( ˙▿︎˙ )b
ギリ6分台が出せて満足していたのですが5分台を見てしまったので自分の目標を6分半くらいにしようと思います！
幸い何度も見返せる参考映像がここにあることですしw
i haven't kill it even once, yet you have done it under 6 min...
세리에나 맙소사..
So is Judgement on a timer or a damage threshold? It feels like this one's came out faster than in any of my slow-ass hunts
Elemental threshold
I'm pretty sure it's at the 5 minute mark no matter what. It was in this video, and it usually feels like I've been through three of them by the time I get to the 15-18 minute mark. His speed in shifting phases does seem to vary, but that might just be placebo
I gotta know how many hours this took
Awesome
Any alternate ice dual blades? I can't get the ice kjarr.
You'd probably do okay with an ice safi. Maybe velkhana or the new barrioth dual blades would work too.
エスカトンジャッジメントを円筒使わずに、アステラジャーキーだけですか？💧
アルバの通常攻撃にほとんど当たってないのは、さすがです！
てか、ぶっ飛ばし、出来るんですね、アルバも💧
エスカトンは抑制できていれば円筒いらずですよ
一回抑制してる時は半分切ったあたりで2回食べると満タンまで回復できます
二回抑制してると半分で飲んだらちょうどいい感じです
装衣の枠が開くのでエスカトン以外の攻撃でやられにくくなるので参考までに
陸上の短距離を見ているような気分
これは俺より弱いアルバが幽境の谷にきてる説
エスカトンジャッジメントどうやって乗り切ってる？？
秘薬飲んでる
普通は、円筒を立ててアステラジャーキーを食べれば乗り切れる。
masaさんは秘薬のみ、ですけどね。
ただし、抑制(弱体化)1度も出来てない状態でエスカトン食らうと、ほぼ間に合わずワンパンで乙る。
龍活性になってから、ほぼ3分前後くらいでエスカトンを放ってくるので、それまでに最低１回は抑制する必要があります。
I los count how many times I failed.....worse is, not even the real alatreon, the one in special assignment quest...
回避着てる時の乱舞177ダメージw
剥ぎ取らないのカッコいい