Rara Avis Sims Horten HO229 - Stealth - Early Preview! - MSFS.
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Rara Avis Sims new Horten HO229 will be coming soon, let's take a look at what might have been the first stealth jet!
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"Ol und Fettfrei halten" in this context tells you not to grease the gauge or anything attatched to it.
The reason it says this is because combining grease, oil or similar organic matter with pressurized oxygen can make for a massive explosion/fire hazard.
Source: I'm a german engineer-y person. That question feels like it was personally addressed to me. :p
Edit: Oh damnit, i just clicked play again and you immediately answer the question yourself. Y U do dis. x3
I never thought I'd ever have AvAngel Preview my work! 😁😁😁
(I worked on the Flight model)
"Custom Flight Model - The Wheelbarrow Takeoff effect, which is so real when you do it!"
"Stable Custom Flight Model which is interesting because we don't really have a lot of knowledge about this real aircraft. So that'll be tricky to do."
"Really enjoyable to fly"
"You will fly like an eagle"
"I really like this plane!"
"It does everything it says it's going to do in a really nice way."
"Very manoeuvrable and spicy Aircraft"
Such a Happy Bunny.
I can say that your German is getting much better :) But yes, we spent a LOT of time researching all the facts and figures we could find, both original documents in German and translated ones. We did indeed have specific numbers we wanted to reach, which met real world data. Rolling in 5.24 seconds, completing a 360* turn in 24 seconds, the correct speeds, altitudes, fuel amounts and ranges, climb speeds, as well as the Wheelbarrow effect on takeoff etc. etc..
However, I completely admit, that in getting to all those (and many other) markers, some liberties were taken, and one of those is indeed the engine spool time. The Junkers Jumo 004B turbojet engines earned a reputation for unreliability, but we didn't think flaming out would be that fun :)
Thank you for taking the time to preview it!
Ooooh that sounds so great, I can't wait for release, thanks for the dedication 🎉🙏🏼👏🏼
She is jovial but reviews aircraft like a test pilot.
Expect constructive criticism. 👍
@@baomao7243 Constructive Criticism is ALWAYS welcomed, it's how we get better, and everything she said was spot on and fair in my personal opinion.
One correction I'll add is, the guns do work and there are tracers. I don't know why they didn't show in this video, maybe it was a version before they got added. But the guns will work upon release (for 3rd Party seller versions only, obviously) :)
The highest compliment I’m going to give you is that I will buy it when it’s available for Xbox.
@@theflyingfreja Glad to hear it.
Many work hard on an aircraft … but then seem to feel attacked when issues are flagged.
Thank you for being a constructive part of the community. We all rise together.
imagine stumbling upon this in a hangar in 1945. the soldiers must have thought it was alien technology.
Depends on the soldier, the US had all wing planes longer than Germany did.
@@adityaparam8736 experimental ones with propellers, including the pretty silly looking Flapjack, but nothing as advanced as this.
@@guguigugu Advanced in what way? The only new technology that it had was jet engines, which were in their infancy at the time, but hardly exclusive to Germany.
@@adityaparam8736 it looked cool and had jet engines what more do you want in 1945? put yourself in that time - no internet or TV, and you most likely never saw a flying wing in your life, especially not so amazing looking, that it looks futuristic even now in 2024. this would have been an absolute wonder to a random soldier in 1945.
@@guguigugu Fair enough, I was thinking y8u were one of those people who thought it was a stealth fighter. Though, interestingly enough, the US was developing TV guided weapons close to the tail end of the war. Though the technology that would make them useful was still a few years out.
This aircraft was developed by the Horten brothers from Bonn, Germany. They tested the prototype on the airfield just down the road from where I used to live. The German Area 51 basically. Erich Hartmann was also a flight instructor on the same airfield after WWII.
I have always found B-2 shaped aircraft to be both elegant and beautiful. The aerodynamics and control system design are amazing. And “electromagnetically” they are sight to (not) behold.
I have nothing but the deepest of respect for those that could reduce this concept to practice and actually build something stable and useful, let alone to make it “essentially invisible” in modern times.
Hat tip to the Horten engineers.
Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe flashbacks!!!
That and Il-2 AEP :)
At high pressure, pure oxygen (e.g., contained in compressed gas cylinders) can react violently with common materials such as oil and grease
This is why I enjoy MSFS so much. The ability for me to get in and fly such a rare & unique aircraft that I haven't ever seen before yet I get to sit inside and fly it in VR for the immersion, over photorealistic scenery - simply brilliant. Looking forward to it's release.
15:16 “Dirty elevator technique.”
Nose down dirty is awesome - looks like the decelerating descent by the Space Shuttle. Gorgeous. 👍
I will happily get this if this comes to xbox
Ive been wanting this so much and im so happy this is on the sim now
It is coming to Xbox
@@theflyingfreja
The single best news ever
Thank you!!
Ive finally got my hands on this beauty
And its one of my new favorite planes! One of the better purchases ive made.
But i do hope in a future update they can add an option in the clip board to disable the smoke trail.
Another exotic aircraft from a developer,the problem with that is ,other less exotic but equally viable aircraft get overlooked.The Fieseler Storch is one such aircraft,just as interesting in a more mundane role as a liason aircraft and also an ambulance.When are developers going to wake up to this gem?As far as I'm aware the first light STOL aircraft ever made.The Lysander was a bit heavy and difficult to fly effectively,so my wish is for the Storch............................Rant over.........................................
"there's a bandit off your left wing, it has no prop or tail!"
Seeing the 1st jets in the hands of enemy pilots during a war was probably like US pilots seeing their first MiGs. Almost a startle reflex - they just stare and then process its sheer speed. At first contact, i suspect this was pretty scary knowing at that speed you can’t run, hide, or even chase. What do we do now? In the interviews i’ve seen, those pilots literally said “our only move was to just get in their way.”
Yes liquid oxygen or gaseous dry breathing oxygen and grease/oil/contaminants = You won’t be around to see the aftermath.
Always liked the rare birds and there aircraft. The flying flea and autogro are great fun. Good details great price and plenty of liveries
Öl- und fettfrei halten: keep free from oil and grease. You must not use flammable lubricants for the oxygen system. Why they wrote this in the gauge though... 🤷♂
Me likee too! 😂😂 Excellent video and history lesson. A must for my hangar. Thanks AvAngel, take care and keep em coming! 😊❤😊
23:05. The size of the tires relative to size of the aircraft reminds me of a red Radio Flyer wagon in my childhood.
Company is called Horten not Horton ;)
i somehow always click weight and balance instead of weather ALL THE TIME lol.
Another great video as always. Keeping us up to date ASAP :) super excited to have this to fly now. Herzlichen Dank ;)
0:06 Great to see this in Misfis! I totally loved flying this back in Il-2 AEP / 1946. Took ages to get up to speed, was easily caught in a climb when you didn't stay above 600km/h where the climb rate was kinda meh, but once you had the energy advantage, it was a complete and utter beast. And there was one nice little trick to it. Save fuel by idling or even just turning the engines off - it's literally a jet powered glider! And it did that great in Il-2. Also, take off was pretty darn easy, just pull back the stick completely and let it lift off, but then ease it. Landing was another thing. It was possible to just dump it onto the ginormous front wheel and just try doing so gently enough so it wouldn't bounce straight up again, but the real pros landed it by slowing down until the point where you'd literally have the stick fully aft and just control pitch by throttling (while making sure to always stay above 6000rpm on the engines as that was the regime where it was governed and wouldn't make the things flame out or even start burning) and using rudder while only applying slight aileron inputs to keep the wings level or at the required bank angle...
BTW it sometimes would be called Go-229 (as in Il-2), AFAIK as it was built by Gotha(er Waggonfabrik), but typically the designations were given with the designers name.
0:48 Nice collection... no REAF / Wonderbolts though XD
2:40 The design requirements were that it should be able to carry 1000kg of bombs (so basically 2 SC-500, 4 SC-250 and similar loadouts) for 1000km (and getting back after that) and being able to hit 1000km/h.
2:50 Those are the chungus MK 103 BTW. There were plans to put two of the compact MK 108s that you'd see in basically any contemporary German fighter into each gun bay instead, having a total of 4 of those, but that never came to fruition. Pro arguments for that loadout were that it would be easier to inflict enough damage with the higher rate of fire while the contra argument was that the higher muzzle velocity and larger projectiles of the 103s were more suitable for taking down large bombers. Eventually, if the thing would have ever entered service, there probably would have been both versions.
3:01 Immediately looks familiar XD
3:53 Look up "Riedel RBA/S 10" if you want to learn more about this :)
5:27 Pretty sure it's a shortcut switch so you don't have to pull up the kneeboard (I'd prefer to not have that button actually). Zündung is ignition and that's done with the two flip switches beneath.
6:30 I don't know exactly either, but I guess that would be the reason actually.
6:50 LOL! :D
8:30 Nice! I wonder how that will work in VR, though...
10:35 Oh, the gunsight is awful, not projected.
12:49 Oh they totally got the rpm of the engines wrong. They're kinda idling at around 6000 already. The real deal idles at 3080 rpm and max rpm is 8700. It's the same ones that were in the Me-262, Jumo 004B-2.
13:15 Well, that's what it is... XD
13:24 Sweet Fat Fluffy Belly Of Me! How has that thing already cracked 600km/h at such a steep climbing angle? Should be more like doing 300-350 at that and you would have to throttle back to less than 8400 rpm.
13:30 "WaTcH tHiS" _~[GR] Super Cap_
13:33 This is absolutely insane and not anywhere near realistic... this thing right here even outclimbs the Me-163, which it totally shouldn't ^^
15:41 A properly performing Me-163 would be nice, just without the fuel issues... and if we're talking weird designs, gimme that Heinkel Lerche III thing or a Lockheed Lockheed XFV-1 Pogo for a similar experience.
16:29 We know the shape and weights. Also...
CFD: exists
17:02 Adverse yaw is modelled, but it probably should be more. It was a LOT in Il-2.
22:22 Totally this ^^
dude get a life and shut up nobody cares gramps.
I will definitely be getting this one, and not from the marketplace, so I can have the guns. I love weird, and I love historical. This checks both of those boxes! Besides, this aircraft in particular has always fascinated me. Thanks for the video!
Great presentation.... Great aircraft.... Thank you... Roger... Pembrokeshire
A jet powered prototype did do some yest flights until it crashed or made a crash landing after an engine failure if i remember correctly
They have one at the Udar-Hazy.....it's absolutely tiny!!
It’s hard to tell with RUclips but the textures look really nice in the video.
They are
Can't wait for it's release ... looks great
Sieht super aus, danke! Added this one to my short list.
I've been looking forward to this puppy since I first heard of it a few weeks back. I'm a bit partial to the Rara Avis beasties. Now if someone would just do a Ju287 or Northrop n-1M. *sigh* A soul can dream.
I’d love those!
@@AvAngel Hell yes! I could ramble for days about the critters I'd love to see in this sim (and tragically, I often do, given my druthers). Wasn't there a sim in the 90s (pre-IL-2 1946) with the Go-229 in it, replete with rinky dink, splooting-type sounds and that pixelated dude in the weird high altitude pressure suit made specifically for this plane? I don't know if it's up your alley, Rache, but Manfred Griehl is something of a leading light for the German aircraft industry in that period. Like his other books, his volume on X-Planes - German Luftwaffe Prototypes 1930-1945 is outstanding. I genuinely appreciate your post. I am soooo looking forward to this one.
I wonder why the market place insists on warbirds not having visual representations of weapons. They could be simply required as non-functional just like any real world warbird restoration.
They have to comply with the game rating. Depiction of weapons, even non functional would raise the rating above ESRB E or PEGI 3
The massive thrust to weight ratio shown aftr the take off is definitely unrealistic. The drag coefficient of that bird was quite high, the Jumo engines lame for todays standards. It would have been a good light low level bomber with stealth characteristics though.
Not that stealthy apparently, only 80% of a 109 in radar cross section
The thing shouldn't really be that draggy once airborne and at speed, but the thrust totally is way too high and so are the indicated rpm on engines (8700 max, idling at around 3000, max continuousfor speeds less than ~500-600km/h is 8400). But the induced drag on the takeoff roll is massive, so it should take quite a while to get up to speed and then be able to lift off with all wheels on the ground and the stick pulled back at about 120-130km/h. It's basically a jet powered glider and back in the days of Il-2 AEP / 1946 you really could feel that. Took ages to get airborne and reach a certain altitude, but once you were up there and went into an aerial engagement with an energy advantage, it was almost impossible to lose that unless you pulled back really hard. I literally won a bunch of dogfights even with the engines off simply because of its good energy retention and glide ratio.
I want these guys to do the bone 😂. This thing looks AMAZING 😍. Sooooooo gotta try it
Very nice looking jet, not my style. But it does look fun.
Thankyou
Your German pronunciation is very good. :-)
That thing even looks a bit like a Schnitzel ... lol
It really does... the deathschnitzel.
@AvAngel ... hahahahaha - good one...!!! 🤣
zundung is fire(engine ignition starter). landing gear is landen something clapen or:) i don't remember:) ah/ it's looking on us in panel landeklappe:) ah no, it's flaps:)
lololol what is this!? Awesome!!
Good vid btw the gun effects do work, would you please say again what you connect the guns to.
Water rudder toggle
@@AvAngel Thank you
What kind of rig (setup) are you using? Do you mind sharing your PC specs and peripherals? I'm looking to get into mfs and just curious what you're using as it seems to run smooth and you're recording too.
I'M Batman...
Since that thing doesn't have a rudder, what do the rudder pedals do?
Steering and yaw like normal. Ruddervators are a thing
Don't know if it's modelled correctly here as I couldn't see it in action, but the thing has spoilers built into the wings that pop out both to the upper and lower sides, so basically instead of swinging the tail around by diverting the airflow, you simply create drag on one side with pedal input. And, obviously, the chungus wheel is being steered with it.
BWAHAHA 🤣"Don't give oxygen to fat pilots" 😂
I missed it, but where can you buy this?
As far as airspeed and altitude indicator, is metric the only option?
Yes, because that's what it had in real life
Yes, that's what they had.
Time to be a global citizen.
Metric is it.
As an engineer i live in MKS units so i had to come up w/ a few quick mental shortcuts to convert units…
* km/h->mph
(multiply by 2/3)
* mph to kts
(mph minus 15%)
* m to ft.
(multiply by 3)
@AvAngel “Don’t give it to fat pilots.”
Why do you say things you know will hurt me?
Tehehehehe
LOL! What should I say... except for: "Don't care, got my own wings anyways"? XD
Does this Horten hear a who? Sorry for being a silly American. 🤣🤣🤣
sight shouldn't be shown in this pov. it's collimator stuff. for see that thing you need move head right up(?)... not this pov definitely
Agree. Sadly, it's just painted on. Luckily you can just leave it off or remove the whole thing completely... XD
@@CakePrincessCelestia yes, it's cool without sight i think. i guess even sight itself some wrong position, but i don't sure. any way without sight it's even better:)
@@einherz The sight position itself seems fine to me. That was kinda weird back in Il-2 where you were basically ducking to be able to see through it when pressing Shift F1 (Oh, I miss those days where every day a gajillion of people kept asking THAT ONE question on the forums... XD).
@@CakePrincessCelestia i prefer flight with bigger fov in 229 and i remember that, shells go direction where the crossbars converged, and they actually blocked the view on target if shoot from 6 at 0 aoa, but this is rear situation and in any way never block all the target, most of time target was below that crossbars:) i even don't remember when was other situation, probably all kills was on angles where target under sight or in that pov under crossbars. in 229 collimator pov probably was only for boom&zoom but as i flight only duels that time i flight her i just don't remember i use collimator sight for fight probably only when need look six sphere for get more view area same as twelve sphere need pov when collimator go down and useless. same in 262 btw:) and i think in all german fighters you just shoot where you remember have to be sight axis and where will target when bullets/shells must catch it:) many times we even don't see the target when shoot, you know. we just know the target will there:)
With climb performance like that I can see how nazi scientists made bases on the moon!
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Please? Slow down in your speech AvAngel..
You are now speaking so fast that you are slurring and conjoining a lot of your words.. a lot of your videos are now filled with unintelligible sentences..
I've watched and enjoyed your content for quite a while now and it's getting much worse..
So please bear in mind that to actually understand much of what you are saying a speed of 0.75x has to be used , I'm from the UK and have a Southern region accent, so it's not an accent issue, it's purely speed. I'm sorry to bring this up,and I know it's considered rude, but no one is saying it if its just me then all I can do is not watch anymore.im sure I'll get slammed by everyone for this and an unsubscribe is inevitable, but facts are facts and I like the content. Thank you for your hard work and perseverence over the last few years.