KCM 2023 Season 1 Week 7 - Starcraft Broodwar
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- Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024
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KCM is a Starcraft Broodwar tournament where species compete in best of 1 matches until only 1 is left standing. All the strongest players from ASL and other Korean tournaments are in attendance each epic season to decide which team will dominate the KCM and the world. Protoss Zerg or Terran?
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We need to hear the evil laugh from Snow in reverse one day
Once again, thanks for a great cast. I noticed every time there's a TvP on the map 76 you wonder why Protoss doesn't go for faster carriers. It's because wraith into goliath/tank drop (the meta strategy from terran on this map) just hard counters it. You say speed shuttles with zelots and HTs are bad vs the wraiths, but carriers would be even worse. I think those are the two options he has. Light just outplayed him, very nice game.
If you build a few sairs to pair with the carriers along with extra obs it's fine. you will be upgrading protoss air weapon and terran wont be getting air armor likely. see how fast 4 sairs with +3 take out a dozen wraiths
@@SaiyanKCM yeah that beats wraith, but goli drops will wreck it. P wont be able to apply any pressure early due to that big investment so T will mass expo. Cloak wraith can harass workers etc, sairs cannot. Its purely defensive.
@@antonalm7689 That sounds like it would come down to control. Who can control drop ships vs who can target them before drop. Throw in some d web and it would be an interesting meta to watch, especially if it goes far enough for an arbiter.
@@utarian7 Haha, sure.
Thanks Saiyan see you next week!
Saiyansc always great commentating, best caster for sure
44:00 Spot on with your criticisms on pro level decision making. Sometimes you see pros make shockingly bad decisions. It's like they overcomplicate the meta and miss the forest for the trees. I don't think there's a concerted effort with Protoss players to hide carrier meta, though. Each player in the ASL has multi-race teammates who help them prepare and train. On the other hand, each tosser may want to hide how HE as an individual utilises carrier on 76.
Mini plays such beautiful PvZs when he's on point. Game 2 was a masterpiece, I haven't seen DTs used like that since back in 2006-2008, I remember back then there was a pimpest play with mass DTs.
corsair dt has fallen by the wayside but mini still has it in his playbook
@@SaiyanKCM omg pimpest plays! What a throwback. Dude if no one else is making "pimpest plays" please do them.
Great line-up this week, happy to see Sharp in the mix, it's been a while
If Terran is going to win on 76 I think they should try a pure air build. One factory tanks and vulture mines just to hold the natural. Wraith against shuttles to make them commit into corsair and try to counter the corsair with valkyrie. Mines to counter the goons. Even battle cruisers?
That sounds fun
@@SaiyanKCM sure does. I feel like even two or three valks would help Goliath against carrier anyway and that will start to be meta. On 76 they beat scouts, corsair, and (sort of) carriers. I don't know how they fare with interceptor targeting. ruclips.net/video/60A78tpKKp8/видео.html
Amazing games!!
These progamers be slippin
"It is what it is .... si ti tahw si tI"
Really good solo cast
The 2 port wraith on 76 seems to be working well to stifle the shuttle play, kind of feels like how toss trades goons for tanks to keep the count low. Also thinking that carrier play seems too obvious and maybe toss players are hesitant to go into carriers if wraiths(especially cloaked wraiths) are in play it would be hard for a ground force to support them out in the low ground, less the toss throws a bunch a gateways down there. And of course, I've said it before ghosts and lockdown on carriers (and or nukes/emp/drops/wraiths) could also be a viable alternative. In a weird way, it sort of feels like a map that favours a diverse mix of units and strats as opposed to pure mech play.
I dunno, I think if you see wraith you can just build sair and a few extra obs and you will be fine. You will be getting air attack and the terran doesn't get air armor. try to imagine how fast wraith gets deleted by 4-5 +3 corsairs.
@@SaiyanKCM true. I can picture that being a bit of a mess, and if terran gave up the air to the sairs drop play would be nigh impossible. I'd imagine it would be a bit costly to do but I am not so sure on the resource cost of it...
@@djsmith3217 carriers shut down drop play so we'll. That's why I believe that this map is so good for the fleet
Recalls are amazing against islands as well
@@SaiyanKCM Of course. I concede this map is tilted towards toss and zerg favour, but I enjoy a good challenge in cracking it. I mean, if it's not outwrite veto'd, terrans are gonna have to figure this out sooner or later X_X. Whether by cheese, brute force, or just skill level (weird to think of at the pro level) It might not be worthwhile to create such a niche strategy for just one map, but it will be beautiful when it happens lol. I know I suggested some ghost play as it could help deal with a lot of what toss are capable of on this map, yet know that they are gas and micro intensive, and vessels are the better support unit, but for a gimmicky map, might recquire a gimmicky strat.
Ayee my guy back with a swiftness! I'm full in on BW now no more Sc2😅
Mini often does things like this. He is obviously good, but makes some very odd decisions at times. Remember that ASL where he purposely created a group of death and was knocked out in the first round?
Yep, he won ASL 12 and hasnt played seriously since unfortunately
Soma's control was amazing
Everyone should know soma's a rusher but people are still putting too much weighting on macro contingency.
The way he handled Royal's cheese vulture rush was impeccable. Actually impossible to counter it any better.
I can be wrong here, but atleast lately it seems like Terran is in the opening match every week while they are dead last. I don't know how this is decided, randomized? But wouldn't it be better to always have place 1 and 2 races open each week to give a oh so slight statistical advantage to the 3rd placed races from last week? It would be a very slight edge and work as a catch up mechanic for the last placed race. Just a thought.
I have no idea how it works. If anyone speaks korean and can let me know I would really appreciate it
Soma vs Royal 🔥
So insane they know dts are coming, place a sunken but save on spore and lose like 10 drones and the whole game afterwards
This KCM tournament is new to me, you said it's week 7? Does it culminate into a playoffs? Or is it this king of the hill style all the time? Either way it's interesting and unique.
take a look at my channel. I have a full explanation and previous seasons for you to watch
maybe mini didnt go carrier, because light already had 2 port wraith... just a thought.
Wraith is only good vs carrier if you can snipe the obs. It requires surprise
ty for casting this in English, My only issue is your a very terran biased when casting.
I'm actually a zerg player though
I feel like the 76 criticism is exaggerated.. theres enough flexibility with the map features.. it will seem so obvious when a T eventually innovates and makes it look easy. We really miss Nada, Flash etc. (even players like Upmagic or Leta). I mean most of this criticism is purely because of the small ramp... seems ridiculous to suggest that it makes it impossible (deep six with tank? 1-1-1 then bio/drop?) people always say you can't go bio bexause of reaver. but you have countermeasures against reaver you still have to outplay them
in the game in week 6 mind and best both dropped to 200 APM. hardly a sign of a map figured out, both players just messing around with drops
Yah I don't think we'll see bio drop vs protoss
wtf happened in the soma light game? Did soma just get lucky w/ light moving out right after soma decided to ling al in? Was it a fake move out that got caught out?
I think that soma read light. He likes to move out with marines at X time and try to force a sunken when enemy is 2hatch muta. Soma just timed it out with speed and ling all in at that moment to grab all the marines
SEE I TOLD YOU 76 IS BALANCED 😂
2022 is typo i think, it should be 2023?
you're right!
hate to be that guy, but pretty disappointing week. It is like players were drunk, and didnt even care do they lose or win. But second game was beauty!
Long live Protoss
Let the video run into filler... man I don't understand what this caster is talking about or what's happening but he seems excited
you mean kcm?
@@SaiyanKCM joking about reversed speech
why is 76er still here? its such a bs map srsly. i guess terrans just ban it in asl?
Korea host said GG “smida “
very polite