Finally its the fighter who makes the art. Any style/school who allows their students to go into as many fights/practise matches, all with some degree of contact and the real risk of injury, will be able to forge students with the fighting ability, the will and the experience to fare well in a competition match. Where arts vary is really in the "finish-off" techniques, d last bit required to take-out an opponent for good, which incidentally, are always disallowed in all matches (including MMA).
The really great thing about Sensei Higaonna is his achievements or his ability doesn't need defending, from himself, from us or anybody. Those who mouth-off about him obviously haven't made it in the Martial Arts world enough to have heard of or met him or know about him. Their negative comments only show-up their ignorance.
Okinawa is where you wanna go Just met him 2 weeks ago in his Gasshuku. It is amazing how powerful and fast he is at 69. And he is the humblest and nicest guy as well!
Sensei Morio Higaonna. Una cosa es verlo por la Tv y otra estar en una clase con El. tiene una fuerza impresionarte una energia que irradia a todos, tuve la suerte de estar en su clase hace 14 años en Lima-Perú en la Academia GojuKan en Barranco con el Sensei Juichi Kokubo.
Brave man to try. Even his senior students who've hospitalised countless challengers won't try it even today, not out of respect, but because he is still lethal. Make sure you're medically covered because you'll need it.
I agree, it was a great show. We should petition the History Channel to bring it back! I heard somewhere that Bill had a training accident and had to stop.
Awesome. I bet Higaonna could rip any one of us apart, even at 70 years old. Hard as nails, but a complete gentleman. Shame more people don't earn respect his way.
Fact: the bones in the human hands, wrist, and arm are porous, meaning they are full of holes. When the bones are broken repeatedly and healed properly, they grow over themselves, filling in those holes and becoming much harder, stronger, and denser. Body hardening is a standard part of old style Karate. Take a look at sensei's hands up close, they've been through all that.
Yes, that'll happen to boxers punching without protection because they haven't conditioned their hands. For Karate, the forearm, fists, back fists etc can be conditioned using full force, but the joints cannot be conditioned using "full" force.
Some medical research indicates that the amount of directly applied force to stop a heart is in the same order of magnitude or maybe somewhat higher than the force required to restart the heart after stopping. Since paramedics often use punching in hammer motion when everything else fails, there may be some logic behind this claim. However, Higaonna is a legend not bc of this claim, but due to his contribution in maintaining Goju-Ryu's integrity and karate in general.
theres nothing wrong with competing, you compete in karate as well, but to learn how to harden your body, to make yourself stronger and tougher than your opponent will only make you that much better in competition. a goju master would be an ideal MMA fighter.
Hi I've been studying GOJU RYU for about five months now in New Zealand and in that time asking a lot of questions. So my comment is on the belt grading my sensei John Whitby 6th Dan say's that black belt is the only one you get to keep, if you were to stop training for say over 2 years you would have to start all over again
Nothing is new. Most of the old arts whether it be thai, chinese, japanese, etc had a multitude of elements such as striking, throwing, grappling, and weapons. They have been toned down over the years as they have been turned into sports. Most were used in battle or for self-defense and a lot of competitions ended in death. MMA just reintroduced the ground element into the mainstream.
Where was this filmed? I'm wondering if Sensei Higaonna still teaches in the U.S., etc. I had the incredible privilege of training under Sensei Chinen, a childhood friend of Sensei Higaonna, and head of Jundokan USA, which is the IOGKF's counterpart in America. Unfortunately I no longer live in proximity to Sensei Chinen's dojo, but am closer to San Marcos, CA, where Sensei Higaonna's IOGKF headquarters used to be. Is he still involved here? Dying to resume Goju training...
Weird place to look for that. "Rules, are only an restriction" btw, Karate-DO means the way of improving yourself both spiritually as physically, wich isn't what Karate-Jutsu is what you want to establish?
@darkmonkey342 I agree. It's not hard. And it's not ka-ra-tay. It sounds silly when they pronounce the "te" without the rest of the Japanese inflection.
This is karate-do, a way of living. It really cuts it in my heart when I go through these horrible comments as well as the poor attempt to defend Higaonna Sensei. No instructor has had such an impressions and influence on my way doing karate or even in my everyday lives. I don't think the grandmaster Higaonna has thought you to react as you do to provocations. Please, do respect Senseis way of living, he does respect yours.
I liked this episode, I train In Shotokan and TKD. This was a bit inspiring for me. It's actually giving me a few training ideas. Hey that sounds cool. Anyone know or wanna give out like training tips or whatever.
thats wat i was thinking. thing is, im finding it common in many styles. and that made me think, just how much do we know about poundof pressure and human vital spots. also, it was bull, why's it still around?
You must have misinterpreted me, I was arguing osnapitseddie's comment about a true martial artists only needs 1 strike. I definitely agree with you otherwise, and it must be such a pleasure to train with Gokor.
I did, I said "Just read The History of Karate, by Higaonna sensei, or any biography in any IOGKF web site". And it really IS common knowledge. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, however, before asking that you could have at least looked for a bioraphy on the internet.
This "New" MMA is not even so new. The idea of a fighting style which includes striking, kicking, grappling and ground-fighting is present in most traditional martial arts. Its hard to believe that original karate styles having to counter traditional Japanese martial arts, did not include grappling/ground-fighting as part of their syllabus. If old karate were so ineffective against Mainland Japanese martial arts, it would have become extinct by now.
I did grappling with a black belt goju ryu once , i choked him , but in the second round he put me in a nasty and sneaky neck crank .When i asked him , where that comes from , he told me , kata .
I agree that we would see more of it if stopping a heart was so evident, however there have been some instances of a strong blow being able to stop a heart. Although far fetched, there's still a logical possibility. The same cannot be said about the scam artists of "no-touch" KO, while themselves are in ridiculous physical shape. You can see that Higaonna Sensei does what he preaches. I mean, at over 60 he's capable of some serious damage and at 40, in his peak, the man was a killing machine.
It's great to know there are some who know these differences. I see ignorance even among some of the older generation of practitioners. I tend not to use the term "traditional" anymore as to me, it doesn't truly represent the mindset I hold. I use Koryu.
I too am a sceptic when in comes to claims of certain special techniques causing instant death etc. Unfortunately, many untested theories are handed down in martial arts and blindly believed. Considering the heart strike, could this be analogous to inducing VF when DC shocking on the R wave of the ECG?.. I wonder. A good friend of mine who made the Mind Body Kick Ass moves series on BBC 3 travelled to Japan and learned this technique. The 'vital point' was simply the apex landmark.
Many confuse modern competition rules with d traditional art as used in a real fight. Pre-20th Century martial arts didn't have distinctions as "striking arts" "grappling arts" etc because they trained in everything. At least 60~70% of karate kata has nothing to do with striking and more with locks, holds, grappling etc. & in traditional karate perhaps 30~50% of d time was training on "kata", d rest included ground-fighting, throws etc, very much like d "MMA" today.
Well, Okinawan Goju-ryu unlike other systems is and always had been, I'd say 50% grappling. Anyway if you train specifically against grapplers, you can actually beat them quite easily outside am areana, you'll just have to know how to train.
First of all, if you really want to help me on karate's full history, you could had at least tell me where to get the information from instead of thinking of me knowing its history.
nope, there's definately nothing wrong wtih competing. Most people however don't compete for the reasons you mentioned with the intention of learning what you mentioned either. There's exceptions to every rule of course, but most people don't fall into those :(
Well people may get entertainment out of watching a fight, but to compete in a fighting sport you need to learn martial arts, I mean you can't test yourself without fighting, if people want to watch and pay you for it, well that's just an added bonus, but you need to learn the martial arts to compete in a sanctioned fight, so really what's the difference?
that's the thing though man, everyone is so butthappy about UFC and "zomg teh octagon" that they've forgotten what martial arts are really about. My favorite are the guys who wear the Tapout shirts and took 1 MMA class, and now they think they're chuck lidell lol. People will never learn unfortunately :(
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Higaonna comes from another generation of martial artists. I hope there will be people in the coming years who take their practice as seriously.
Finally its the fighter who makes the art. Any style/school who allows their students to go into as many fights/practise matches, all with some degree of contact and the real risk of injury, will be able to forge students with the fighting ability, the will and the experience to fare well in a competition match. Where arts vary is really in the "finish-off" techniques, d last bit required to take-out an opponent for good, which incidentally, are always disallowed in all matches (including MMA).
Spent many years under his guidance. He still trains harder at his age than most 20 year olds. He's an example that is nearly impossible to copy.
The really great thing about Sensei Higaonna is his achievements or his ability doesn't need defending, from himself, from us or anybody. Those who mouth-off about him obviously haven't made it in the Martial Arts world enough to have heard of or met him or know about him. Their negative comments only show-up their ignorance.
Okinawa is where you wanna go Just met him 2 weeks ago in his Gasshuku. It is amazing how powerful and fast he is at 69. And he is the humblest and nicest guy as well!
Sensei Morio Higaonna. Una cosa es verlo por la Tv y otra estar en una clase con El. tiene una fuerza impresionarte una energia que irradia a todos, tuve la suerte de estar en su clase hace 14 años en Lima-Perú en la Academia GojuKan en Barranco con el Sensei Juichi Kokubo.
Brave man to try. Even his senior students who've hospitalised countless challengers won't try it even today, not out of respect, but because he is still lethal. Make sure you're medically covered because you'll need it.
when bill said he felt kinda honored if i learned anything like that from sensei Higaonna i would be far beyond honored
What a gentleman!
What an amazing martial artist.
Thanks
I would love to visit Okinawa. I'm learning Ryukyu Kempo Karate and it would be amazing to journey to the place where it originated.
I agree, it was a great show.
We should petition the History Channel to bring it back!
I heard somewhere that Bill had a training accident and had to stop.
Awesome. I bet Higaonna could rip any one of us apart, even at 70 years old. Hard as nails, but a complete gentleman. Shame more people don't earn respect his way.
Fact: the bones in the human hands, wrist, and arm are porous, meaning they are full of holes. When the bones are broken repeatedly and healed properly, they grow over themselves, filling in those holes and becoming much harder, stronger, and denser. Body hardening is a standard part of old style Karate.
Take a look at sensei's hands up close, they've been through all that.
Yes, that'll happen to boxers punching without protection because they haven't conditioned their hands. For Karate, the forearm, fists, back fists etc can be conditioned using full force, but the joints cannot be conditioned using "full" force.
I really wish to train with Higaonna-sensei, a huge honour wouldn't be enough to describe the opportunity.
I'm gonna train with him this summer in Denmark! :D I'm so excited :D
6:20 note how fast & fluent master Higaonna's shotei strike is. Awesome.
Some medical research indicates that the amount of directly applied force to stop a heart is in the same order of magnitude or maybe somewhat higher than the force required to restart the heart after stopping. Since paramedics often use punching in hammer motion when everything else fails, there may be some logic behind this claim. However, Higaonna is a legend not bc of this claim, but due to his contribution in maintaining Goju-Ryu's integrity and karate in general.
hey higaonna? i saw and enjoy one of his lessons in a karate camp here in toledo (spain) .-D
theres nothing wrong with competing, you compete in karate as well, but to learn how to harden your body, to make yourself stronger and tougher than your opponent will only make you that much better in competition.
a goju master would be an ideal MMA fighter.
Awesome vid. Where can we see the rest?
I wonder if Higaonna-sensei was related to Higaonna Kanryo, the martial artist that helped forged goju ryu karate.
I hope many of us can maintain the traditional ways, even if we cannot reach higaonnas standards.
Mokuso (黙想, mokusō) is a Japanese term for meditation, especially when practiced in the traditional Japanese martial arts. - Wikipedia
Hi I've been studying GOJU RYU for about five months now in New Zealand and in that time asking a lot of questions. So my comment is on the belt grading my sensei John Whitby 6th Dan say's that black belt is the only one you get to keep, if you were to stop training for say over 2 years you would have to start all over again
I agree whole-heartedly!!!
I agree you are absolutly right
you sir, are wrong. vital, or pressure points, can be used, practically, to stun, knock out or even kill someone.
Yes, I know what you mean since people who have the same family name are not really related.
"Mokuso" isn't the breathing exercise. It means close your eyes.
Nothing is new. Most of the old arts whether it be thai, chinese, japanese, etc had a multitude of elements such as striking, throwing, grappling, and weapons. They have been toned down over the years as they have been turned into sports. Most were used in battle or for self-defense and a lot of competitions ended in death. MMA just reintroduced the ground element into the mainstream.
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sensei higaonna is the goju ryu master and he is a legend....
Where are the complete episodes !!!!!!
old guy seems like very nice guy
Where was this filmed? I'm wondering if Sensei Higaonna still teaches in the U.S., etc. I had the incredible privilege of training under Sensei Chinen, a childhood friend of Sensei Higaonna, and head of Jundokan USA, which is the IOGKF's counterpart in America. Unfortunately I no longer live in proximity to Sensei Chinen's dojo, but am closer to San Marcos, CA, where Sensei Higaonna's IOGKF headquarters used to be. Is he still involved here? Dying to resume Goju training...
Sensei Higaonna is a living legend. Osu!
Weird place to look for that.
"Rules, are only an restriction"
btw, Karate-DO means the way of improving yourself both spiritually as physically, wich isn't what Karate-Jutsu is what you want to establish?
Yeah, that's the stuff. Real karate. Legend! Osu Sensei!
@darkmonkey342 I agree. It's not hard. And it's not ka-ra-tay. It sounds silly when they pronounce the "te" without the rest of the Japanese inflection.
yes yes yes they sure do have a big head attitude!
The calligrphy in the background say a lot about
his Karate
My Sensei George Andrews follows this regime and he learnt from Higaonna himself. If you doubt it, search for "George Andrews Goju Ryu". Osu!
This is karate-do, a way of living. It really cuts it in my heart when I go through these horrible comments as well as the poor attempt to defend Higaonna Sensei. No instructor has had such an impressions and influence on my way doing karate or even in my everyday lives. I don't think the grandmaster Higaonna has thought you to react as you do to provocations. Please, do respect Senseis way of living, he does respect yours.
I liked this episode, I train In Shotokan and TKD. This was a bit inspiring for me. It's actually giving me a few training ideas. Hey that sounds cool. Anyone know or wanna give out like training tips or whatever.
Are these guys from the same TV incubator the guys from the Fight Quest came from?
thats wat i was thinking. thing is, im finding it common in many styles. and that made me think, just how much do we know about poundof pressure and human vital spots. also, it was bull, why's it still around?
oh very good 666. where did you train? what state or country may I ask?
Vital points are called "kyusho" not kyoshu.
I think it's granite, but it's hard to tell from the video. My sensei trained with him too!!
a privilage to watch this!
holy fuck that rock would kill the hands, that old dude must be fuckin tough
That is so true!
a black belt is a white belt that never gave up.
You must have misinterpreted me, I was arguing osnapitseddie's comment about a true martial artists only needs 1 strike.
I definitely agree with you otherwise, and it must be such a pleasure to train with Gokor.
Deep bow to Higaonna Sensei
I did, I said "Just read The History of Karate, by Higaonna sensei, or any biography in any IOGKF web site". And it really IS common knowledge. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, however, before asking that you could have at least looked for a bioraphy on the internet.
I meant style, IOGKF, Jundokan, meibukan etc:)
is this the same higoanna in the way of the warrior videos on here??
How much did those stone weights way at 2:36?
i recently found out that he is my sensei's old sensei haha
Fight quest is kinda same thing , cool as well :)
great martial art
it doesn't matter how he is. he can fucking own you anyways! he is a black belt 10º Dan
This "New" MMA is not even so new. The idea of a fighting style which includes striking, kicking, grappling and ground-fighting is present in most traditional martial arts. Its hard to believe that original karate styles having to counter traditional Japanese martial arts, did not include grappling/ground-fighting as part of their syllabus. If old karate were so ineffective against Mainland Japanese martial arts, it would have become extinct by now.
Morio Higaonna is the sensei of my sensei
'Vital points' hurt a bit but aren't nearly as effective as they're made out to be by some stylists.
I didn't know Higaonna studied Kyusho. Who did he study with? Does anyone know?
I did grappling with a black belt goju ryu once , i choked him , but in the second round he put me in a nasty and sneaky neck crank .When i asked him , where that comes from , he told me , kata .
Hi - I have never heard that Higaonna Morio was related to Miyagi Sensei. How did you learn this and from who? I would like to know if this is true.
I agree that we would see more of it if stopping a heart was so evident, however there have been some instances of a strong blow being able to stop a heart. Although far fetched, there's still a logical possibility. The same cannot be said about the scam artists of "no-touch" KO, while themselves are in ridiculous physical shape. You can see that Higaonna Sensei does what he preaches. I mean, at over 60 he's capable of some serious damage and at 40, in his peak, the man was a killing machine.
It's great to know there are some who know these differences. I see ignorance even among some of the older generation of practitioners. I tend not to use the term "traditional" anymore as to me, it doesn't truly represent the mindset I hold. I use Koryu.
I too am a sceptic when in comes to claims of certain special techniques causing instant death etc. Unfortunately, many untested theories are handed down in martial arts and blindly believed.
Considering the heart strike, could this be analogous to inducing VF when DC shocking on the R wave of the ECG?.. I wonder. A good friend of mine who made the Mind Body Kick Ass moves series on BBC 3 travelled to Japan and learned this technique. The 'vital point' was simply the apex landmark.
Many confuse modern competition rules with d traditional art as used in a real fight. Pre-20th Century martial arts didn't have distinctions as "striking arts" "grappling arts" etc because they trained in everything. At least 60~70% of karate kata has nothing to do with striking and more with locks, holds, grappling etc. & in traditional karate perhaps 30~50% of d time was training on "kata", d rest included ground-fighting, throws etc, very much like d "MMA" today.
If there was such a one precise strike, it would be used everywhere. But there isn't one, so you fail.
where is the location of this dojo
If it's good enough for St Pierre, it's good enough for me.
The Karate segment was pretty good, but the 'vital points' deal was a bit of a stretch.
too much damage?...not enough damage?...what exactly is your opinion?
@diman75 if he looks kinda like steve austin (yeah the prowestler) it's publicity
How do you know?
Well, Okinawan Goju-ryu unlike other systems is and always had been, I'd say 50% grappling. Anyway if you train specifically against grapplers, you can actually beat them quite easily outside am areana, you'll just have to know how to train.
10th Dan since September.
Yeah he really took that rock to school.
Shame, all my soft hands can do is hold a gun.
First of all, if you really want to help me on karate's full history, you could had at least tell me where to get the information from instead of thinking of me knowing its history.
nope, there's definately nothing wrong wtih competing. Most people however don't compete for the reasons you mentioned with the intention of learning what you mentioned either. There's exceptions to every rule of course, but most people don't fall into those :(
Which school?
Well people may get entertainment out of watching a fight, but to compete in a fighting sport you need to learn martial arts, I mean you can't test yourself without fighting, if people want to watch and pay you for it, well that's just an added bonus, but you need to learn the martial arts to compete in a sanctioned fight, so really what's the difference?
that's the thing though man, everyone is so butthappy about UFC and "zomg teh octagon" that they've forgotten what martial arts are really about. My favorite are the guys who wear the Tapout shirts and took 1 MMA class, and now they think they're chuck lidell lol. People will never learn unfortunately :(
damn guys r lucky!! wish i cud hve a job like dat
think he knows the 5 point-palm exploding heart technique? jus' kiddin...
this guy is a G
This is nice real karate. Oss.
you do that and when you cant move your elbows and knees do to arthritis then tell me why it was a good idea...
cant some1 upload episode 10 with kung fu?
One problem with MMA, Is the damage caused to each competitor. (That is my opinion).
That rock has taken a beatin
Of course, he's a martial artist the other guy just has Football and wrestling.
do you have a gun on you 24/7? cause i always have my karate with me
My sensei told me: why do people hit a rock or a piece of wood? Thet won't attack you. It's more logical to train with real people.