Here's Why All Smash Bros Games Are Broken

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  • Опубликовано: 19 май 2020
  • Today we take a deep dive using Heeew's "Smash is Broken" series to talk about the series as a whole and touch on every entry in the series and what things made no sense back then and why from a balance perspective. Hope you guys enjoy the dive and make sure to leave a thumbs up and a comment if you did!
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Комментарии • 1,6 тыс.

  • @Heeew
    @Heeew 4 года назад +4360

    Woah, I made those

  • @Smug-Sonic
    @Smug-Sonic 4 года назад +1132

    Zero: I hate ladder combos
    Also Zero: plays Mario

    • @_SodaZ
      @_SodaZ 4 года назад +101

      He has become the very thing he swore to destroy

    • @ToikaThatOneFrenchGuy
      @ToikaThatOneFrenchGuy 4 года назад +35

      ZSS (Sm4sh) :
      *O H H E L L O H E R E*

    • @art2norrman872
      @art2norrman872 4 года назад +25

      Also Zero: Played Smash 4 professionally*

    • @medakags9855
      @medakags9855 4 года назад +17

      If u can't beat em Join em

    • @hfrmartin
      @hfrmartin 4 года назад +6

      lmao i used to hate mario but ladder combos are definitely the easiest to perform in ultimate

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 4 года назад +3044

    Just remember this.
    Any character that beats you is broken, the player is cheating, and your controller was unplugged.

  • @esqimo6647
    @esqimo6647 4 года назад +1581

    “You had to individually practise the chain grab on every character”
    No you just had to do it on Meta Knight

    • @poopheadtwenty-seven540
      @poopheadtwenty-seven540 4 года назад +94

      ZeRo forgot Meta Knight was the only character

    • @tenacity25
      @tenacity25 4 года назад +8

      Well, and Icies

    • @Bahamut-ti8uv
      @Bahamut-ti8uv 4 года назад +5

      tenacity25 and maybe snake

    • @ensanesane
      @ensanesane 4 года назад +2

      To be fair there was also a grab release chaingrab too

    • @Misterfrater
      @Misterfrater 4 года назад +1

      Zero forgot metaknight was literally the only character he used on the all is brawl ladder and all the other professional players really frowned upon it even M2K his best friend

  • @goldengoon4073
    @goldengoon4073 4 года назад +1487

    "I paid for them. They better be broken"
    - alpharad (2019)

  • @PoisonDuckAnimations
    @PoisonDuckAnimations 4 года назад +424

    On a related note, has anyone noticed how Brawl's sound effects seem incredibly... Echo-ey?

    • @Wave-uu6mz
      @Wave-uu6mz 4 года назад +38

      In ultimate it sounds like yoshi's sfx were recorded in an echo chamber or at least processed ultra heavily

    • @Matt_4457
      @Matt_4457 4 года назад +5

      usually when music sre turned off you notice them easier lol

    • @wired-up5677
      @wired-up5677 4 года назад +23

      I've noticed melee sfx have a really weird reverb effect on them like they were recorded in a small closet bathroom in the sky with the window open

    • @thesardonicrenegade3065
      @thesardonicrenegade3065 4 года назад +24

      Brawl had the best sound effects in the series, the sound when you charge a smash attack? Best sound in existence

    • @jeh8944
      @jeh8944 4 года назад

      I swear bro

  • @piedpiped3267
    @piedpiped3267 4 года назад +483

    “A lot of you guys have been asking” no zero, we have been wondering

    • @kkflick
      @kkflick 4 года назад +4

      Missed opportunity for him to use it since his name is zerowondering on Twitter

    • @jasonmelanconjm
      @jasonmelanconjm 4 года назад +15

      Kurtazin “so a lot of people have been wondering” has basically been his slogan for years

    • @dragginballz4747
      @dragginballz4747 4 года назад +2

      *wandering

    • @oak9789
      @oak9789 4 года назад

      Many Magic the Gathering Players ask....wait wrong channel

  • @SomeRandomInternetNinja
    @SomeRandomInternetNinja 4 года назад +61

    Reminder to all players: You didn’t lose because they were better than you, your chair was just non-tournament viable

  • @Endershock1678
    @Endershock1678 4 года назад +162

    "The most meaningless difference has gotta be between Pit and Dark Pit".
    Laughs Peach and Daisy's few pixels of height and width difference.
    Laughs in Aura vs Flame Holy Water
    Laughs in Minor Samus and Dark Samus roll and height differences.
    Also, fun fact, Peach and Daisy used to have different turnip properties. Peach had less knockback but more knockback growth, making it excellent for combo and edge guarding, while Daisy had more knockback but less knockback growth, making it far more consistent for kill confirms... then they patched it.

    • @leozimmer6140
      @leozimmer6140 4 года назад +15

      It was “an oversight” because daisy was using smash 4 turnip properties they should have kept it

    • @64b4bx
      @64b4bx 4 года назад +6

      Honestly, they should've made Daisy like Sm4sh/Melee Peach in terms of grabs and some moves. Daisy using the headbutt and OG down throw 👀👀👀

    • @Jfray252
      @Jfray252 4 года назад

      Fishey Cakes Actually no, it was named DAISYTURNIP in the data, Peach’s turnip was named SBB4TURNIP. They now both have the ssb4 propery.

    • @thenoseguy
      @thenoseguy 2 года назад +1

      Just make her a skin already.

  • @seansquiers6506
    @seansquiers6506 4 года назад +205

    Sakurai: Now Ice Climbers. You're grab infinites were a big problem for Melee and Brawl. So we took you out of Smash 4 to rework you to where that won't be an issue in Ultimate.
    Ice Climbers: Yes Sakurai we promise we'll be good *evil smile*

    • @Braxton_desu
      @Braxton_desu 4 года назад +1

      Buff ics

    • @Endershock1678
      @Endershock1678 4 года назад +6

      Ultimate IC's are so cool. They are jank in the right hands, but the combos are so difficult and complex that they don't feel cheap and their win feels earned. And it's hype to watch.

    • @nyon7209
      @nyon7209 4 года назад +2

      I'd rather die at 0 from 200 bps than 200 bpm. I also think that Sakurai intentionally left the ability to do something in the game, just not something easy.

    • @Logan17258
      @Logan17258 4 года назад +6

      I thought they weren’t in smash 4 because of hardware limitations on the 3ds

    • @michaualtington
      @michaualtington 4 года назад +2

      @@Logan17258 you are correct

  • @Twistrator
    @Twistrator 4 года назад +687

    "A delayed game is eventually good but a rushed game is forever bad"
    - Shigeru Miyamoto

    • @saricubra2867
      @saricubra2867 4 года назад +36

      Also Miyamoto:
      Allows Super Mario Sunshine to be released as a rushed game and Breath of The Wild with framerate issues specially on the Wii U and locking important things behind DLC... 🤷🏼‍♂️
      EDIT: BOTW is a good game, but people complained about the lack of character development, framerate issues with combat, korok forest and dungeons. Nintendo then improved the framerate and added another dungeon with the DLC, there is no problem to be offended, this is how we can get constructive criticism of games and make them better. Skyrim also had a GOTY and was rushed at release too, so i don't see why with Zelda the behaviour is different, both Skyrim and Breath of The Wild have glitches that people use for fun or exploits, just like Melee, so there is reason to be angry.

    • @xtensioncordtv1969
      @xtensioncordtv1969 4 года назад +62

      @@saricubra2867 BOTW got GOTY without dlcs and the framerate was only bad when you were fast traveling.
      Dont disrespect a game at the tier of BOTW without knowing what your talking about.

    • @ivansalinas8821
      @ivansalinas8821 4 года назад +22

      IM SICK OF SEEING THIS DAMN QUOTE!!!!!!!!

    • @justinthibodeaux8601
      @justinthibodeaux8601 4 года назад +7

      Brawl was delayed like 3 months and its still buggy as hell

    • @Zangelin
      @Zangelin 4 года назад +17

      @@saricubra2867 Miyamoto didn't really work on either of those but ok.

  • @JXEIO
    @JXEIO 3 года назад +15

    Fuck I miss ZeRo so much... I hope you are doing well man, I really do...

  • @derekq8790
    @derekq8790 4 года назад +254

    Since you reacted to heeew, I'd recommend Asumsaus next; he does melee content as well.

    • @relaxn3918
      @relaxn3918 4 года назад +11

      Get this comment to the top

    • @danirfan5452
      @danirfan5452 4 года назад +7

      ZeRo doesn’t really do exclusive melee content though

    • @laserbeamlightning
      @laserbeamlightning 4 года назад +9

      I watch him for his presentation and I don't even play Melee

    • @sir5434
      @sir5434 4 года назад +1

      No

    • @dad4436
      @dad4436 4 года назад +1

      @@laserbeamlightning try it, it's really fun

  • @luismonroycenteno4724
    @luismonroycenteno4724 4 года назад +93

    13:40
    I never played smash 4
    But this is actually the dumbest thing I've ever seen

    • @vkaa3k190
      @vkaa3k190 4 года назад +5

      samus in the right hands is just as bad as bayonetta. You are fucked. Her reach is incredible, she has priority over your moves and spamming projectiles at you when you are flying around the stage due to high %.

    • @link4753
      @link4753 4 года назад +2

      @@vkaa3k190 bro she has one good thing come on

    • @thatrandomfailure9208
      @thatrandomfailure9208 4 года назад +4

      @@vkaa3k190 so in the right hands samus can fair 1 you at 0 10 times and you die? Or can she kill you off the top at any percent? Or a move that literally says no (witch time). That samus clip is literally just rage and has nothing to do with samus.

    • @Chrysosi
      @Chrysosi 4 года назад +2

      Agreed that was legit one of the only moments that weren't funny lol

    • @jonathanfreeman5398
      @jonathanfreeman5398 4 года назад +1

      Dont try to play it. Do not turn to the dark side

  • @gabrielegardinali
    @gabrielegardinali 4 года назад +62

    The real broken thing in Ultimate is input lag,
    it's too much compared to other fighting games and older smash titles.
    This, combined with bad netcode, creates the worst wi fi experience of all the competitive games

    • @ThaTrickstaProd
      @ThaTrickstaProd 4 года назад +9

      I completely agree, especially with using complicated characters like meta knight. they also need to rework the input latency with their controllers

    • @kris0375
      @kris0375 4 года назад +3

      They should lower the input lag from 7 frames to 4 frames, that would be very helpful to not only offline but online too
      And I heard it's actually pretty easy for them to change that

    • @Jfray252
      @Jfray252 4 года назад +6

      The problem is also the buffer system, that make the game unresponsive and the mis-input frequent. Brawl has almost the same input lag, but the buffering system was not implemented.

  • @pennyandsuch
    @pennyandsuch 4 года назад +60

    not as broken as my heart along with the community. rip zero

    • @yeameow
      @yeameow 2 года назад +1

      where is he?

    • @dusky6280
      @dusky6280 2 года назад

      @@yeameow He's a sex offender now. Along with a good portion of other prominent smashers from all games. Go have a read on the wiki homie. Glad they're gone, but man is it ever disappointing.

    • @Wmei64
      @Wmei64 2 года назад +3

      @@dusky6280 he’s being cancelled for being tricked into sending something dumb that he apologised for and said he felt ashamed. But hey c*nts at cancel culture don’t have feeling nor a sense of justice so they just want something to do cuz they don’t have friends so instead they take them away from others.

    • @dusky6280
      @dusky6280 2 года назад

      @@Wmei64 The law is the law

    • @dusky6280
      @dusky6280 2 года назад

      @@Wmei64 The law is the law

  • @josephassiryani9174
    @josephassiryani9174 4 года назад +171

    23:00 I think incin would acc be top tier if he wasn’t so damn slow. *All* his moves are good, but he’s just slow and can’t recover

    • @I_Am_Ion
      @I_Am_Ion 4 года назад +19

      Agreed. Having mained the character since release, Incineroar has such a good kit all around, but his speed and recovery is what holds him back in a lot of situations.

    • @laurancehaddad710
      @laurancehaddad710 4 года назад +2

      And his actual grab is so shitty.

    • @Francisco_Castro_Loves_Music
      @Francisco_Castro_Loves_Music 4 года назад

      But back throw kills the earliest out of any character

    • @JunKokoro
      @JunKokoro 4 года назад +2

      @@Francisco_Castro_Loves_Music Hero: Am I a joke to you?

    • @laurancehaddad710
      @laurancehaddad710 4 года назад +11

      @@Francisco_Castro_Loves_Music the back throw is great but actually grabbing the other player sucks

  • @kaindosil8854
    @kaindosil8854 2 года назад +5

    Zero back in my recommended dang

  • @chrono_black_vii2997
    @chrono_black_vii2997 4 года назад +65

    ZeRo. I heard you are not going to make videos anymore. It pains me to hear this but I understand. But please don’t ever resort to suicide it’s never the right choice and if would pain me even more to hear that. You are my favorite RUclipsr and you pretty much always have been ever since I started playing smash. So even though you are not making videos anymore please move forward and continue with your life. This comment is most likely to get buried but if there was a chance I could get this message to you then it was worth making it.

    • @Creatic58
      @Creatic58 4 года назад +1

      Chrono_Black_ VII
      Email him

    • @phantom5757
      @phantom5757 3 года назад

      @@coldtea7 that didn't age well

    • @phantom5757
      @phantom5757 3 года назад

      I know it was pointless just saying that nario wasn't what he was made out to be from zac

    • @wolfdragox5563
      @wolfdragox5563 2 года назад

      Maybe comments like yours were helpful for him in a time where he was “the bad guy” and everybody hated him

  • @vleessjuu
    @vleessjuu 4 года назад +7

    13:00 However, Kirby's up throw could actually give you a guaranteed Kirbycide if you grabbed the opponent after rolling towards the ledge. If you had the edge directly behind you, up throw would plummet right past and they couldn't mash out of up throw either (unlike forward and back throws).

  • @irritationnation6122
    @irritationnation6122 4 года назад +19

    Sm4sh: “when everyone is broken, no one will be”

    • @michaualtington
      @michaualtington 4 года назад +2

      But then they made like 20% of the characters broken

    • @jurekantoine
      @jurekantoine 3 года назад

      mobile legends in a nutshell

  • @Code_EJ
    @Code_EJ 4 года назад +34

    Petition for ZeRo to watch AsumSaus

  • @henryreturns1397
    @henryreturns1397 4 года назад +68

    "If it ain't broken , don't fix it"
    Smash Bros Games in a nutshell

    • @themasterblaze7563
      @themasterblaze7563 4 года назад +4

      But sadly as the years go on; fewer and fewer people know the difference between good and game breaking.

    • @uberlephrad8218
      @uberlephrad8218 4 года назад +1

      "If it is broken, endure it or you're a John" Actually Smash bros in a nutshell

    • @aldali724
      @aldali724 4 года назад +1

      Robin Rad literally this entire community. They wanna suck sakurais ass so bad

    • @Endershock1678
      @Endershock1678 4 года назад

      It it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it is broke, fix it later!

    • @tatenomura7576
      @tatenomura7576 3 года назад

      @@Endershock1678 If it is broke, don't fix it

  • @AverageHandle_
    @AverageHandle_ 4 года назад +119

    I never expected you to react to this and I would say this is great

  • @minecraftveteranyoda4476
    @minecraftveteranyoda4476 4 года назад +84

    ZeRo: *mentions Heew*
    Me: Hey I know that guy!

  • @dominictrujillo568
    @dominictrujillo568 4 года назад +42

    Goodbye zero, it was fun while it lasted

  • @laffy7204
    @laffy7204 4 года назад +6

    "We hadn't have a character like Bayonetta or Cloud from Smash 4 or Meta Knight that breaks the game apart"
    The character you're looking for is: Online sonic

  • @ununun9995
    @ununun9995 4 года назад +11

    "A delayed game is eventually good but a rushed game is bad forever"
    Melee: haha dashdance go swoosh

  • @dogefan12349
    @dogefan12349 4 года назад +144

    When you're so early that Guy Without a Mustache doesn't even know the video's out.

    • @brysonsmith2216
      @brysonsmith2216 4 года назад

      lol

    • @isiss3659
      @isiss3659 4 года назад +1

      Last time someone said that he replied to this comment

    • @davity9000
      @davity9000 4 года назад +1

      @@isiss3659 lol

    • @BobJones-bh9qz
      @BobJones-bh9qz 4 года назад

      When you’re so early you see the token Dogefan Lego Filmz comment about Guy Without a Mustache

    • @dogefan12349
      @dogefan12349 4 года назад

      @@BobJones-bh9qz Sh*t you right

  • @nuredingeziqi679
    @nuredingeziqi679 4 года назад +3

    9:50 If I remember correctly, Roy litterally has the same frame data as Marth, but has slower animations making it so literally his hitboxes disappear too fast

  • @christianz4230
    @christianz4230 4 года назад +1

    This has to be one of my favorite videos of this channel, I learned a lot from other smash games and mechanics that I didn't know about and it made me see some other smash games in a different perspective, nice video Zero :D

  • @davidisgaming1011
    @davidisgaming1011 4 года назад +1

    These are some of my favorite smash videos. Really cool to see ZeRo react to them. 👍👍

  • @AffyMoon
    @AffyMoon 4 года назад +27

    What's broken is the smash community rn. And my heart

    • @AffyMoon
      @AffyMoon 3 года назад

      @John Stonik y'know, some people don't read every single comment before typing a comment

  • @ThaTrickstaProd
    @ThaTrickstaProd 4 года назад +8

    they also completely downgraded meta knights ladder recently. most meta knight ladders are no longer combos after the nerf and it is virtually impossible to kill someone

  • @CreepyConnor
    @CreepyConnor 4 года назад +5

    Zero: the most similar echos are pit and dark pit
    The belmonts: *am i a joke to you?*

  • @isaacflask
    @isaacflask 4 года назад +1

    This was very entertaining, good job to both ZeRo and the editing team!

  • @mastermoes3651
    @mastermoes3651 4 года назад +25

    So if everything is broken, doesn't that technically mean everything is the way it's meant to be?

  • @csMRHERO
    @csMRHERO 4 года назад +8

    Nobody:
    Me when ZeRo speaks spanish: *nuts*
    Also me remembering that ZeRo is actually Chilean: *se va cortao*

    • @cruellsfelipedonoso6109
      @cruellsfelipedonoso6109 4 года назад

      His spanish sound soo... fake xd I mean I get it, he has live in the eeuu for a long time, but as a Chilean myself, i found it hilarious xdddd

  • @nicolasfogleman2388
    @nicolasfogleman2388 4 года назад +5

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the editor loves Persona 5

  • @icarlygod
    @icarlygod 4 года назад +3

    23:48
    I think tripping was bad even though no one really lost to it. It still made dashing risky and it meant that characters had to either walk everywhere (ICs) , approach in the air and spam aerials (MK), or spam their projectiles until they get an opening (Olimar, Diddy, Falco, Snake). Generally, it contributes to game's slow pace.

  • @mattcorso4664
    @mattcorso4664 4 года назад +36

    I freakin love Heeew. I wish he uploaded more often tho he’s so funny

    • @longthornhenderson331
      @longthornhenderson331 4 года назад +3

      Same

    • @josephassiryani9174
      @josephassiryani9174 4 года назад +3

      Ditto

    • @masierity2917
      @masierity2917 4 года назад +2

      He’s amazing, but it’s hard to pump out funny and informational content like he does (albeit not often!)

    • @iyague
      @iyague 4 года назад

      Immediate comment

    • @chromso
      @chromso 4 года назад +1

      @@masierity2917 we are still lurkin in the dark for some lil piece of content

  • @StillJustAJ
    @StillJustAJ 4 года назад +24

    I’ll miss you forever man, no matter what, I hope you will come back one day

  • @swellsauce6115
    @swellsauce6115 4 года назад +5

    "If they gave it more development, maybe the game would not be as glitchy as it is."
    OH GOD. It's Sonic 06 all over again.

  • @maxorritt9403
    @maxorritt9403 4 года назад

    yoooo loved this zero, almost felt like i was playing the old smash games myself, big love

  • @charleschimchar3609
    @charleschimchar3609 4 года назад +48

    ZeRo's becoming a reaction channel

    • @julianboverhof5382
      @julianboverhof5382 4 года назад

      Cuz corona

    • @allenelijah7063
      @allenelijah7063 4 года назад

      @bruh moment #69,420 Definitely not before ultimate came out

    • @christroyer69
      @christroyer69 4 года назад

      Allen Elijah Because he was busy playing competitive Smash 4 before he realized he could make moneh faster and easier by just streaming/making RUclips vids 🙄

  • @Driff97
    @Driff97 4 года назад +28

    24:23
    Cold
    Hard
    FACTS

    • @Endershock1678
      @Endershock1678 4 года назад +9

      Let's be honest here, trip was mildly annoying, but rage was straight up the jankiest, most broken mechanic in the game. It singlehandedly shot several characters into top tier and gave them insane early kills off the top and side that was absolutely not fair. It's still in Ultimate, but normalized to where I don't die at 20 to an up air (God, imagine Ultimate Ganondorf with Smash 4 Rage).

    • @thatrandomfailure9208
      @thatrandomfailure9208 4 года назад +4

      @@Endershock1678 lets not give people nightmares ok? Like, how about no?

  • @manga7780
    @manga7780 4 года назад

    This is both funny and interesting. I like to see more of these kind of videos, i know i can watch those videos myself but zero knows the backstory behind the things and that makes it fun to watch.

  • @brutal_lui
    @brutal_lui 3 года назад

    I love ladder combos, being a Meta Knight main in ultimate with a Palu secondary. In brawl I mained Lucario and with my secondary MK and lastly I mained Diddy and Cloud being my secondary. I still love your content for your insight and wisdom, I "bet" you change a lot, from your childhood till back then 11 months ago and most definitely now. Have a good one

  • @simon-ricardokuhn1713
    @simon-ricardokuhn1713 4 года назад +29

    I don't care what everyone says, SSB4 will still have a place in my heart. That was the Smash game I played and enjoyed the most.
    (what's with RUclips having broken lines?)
    But the thing that really pissed me off and could be called broken is the AI in Brawl. Seriously, these guys always go after the player, even in a FFA. Whoever made the AI in this game need to be fired.

    • @edwardrobinson5470
      @edwardrobinson5470 4 года назад +1

      That's awesome. I enjoyed Brawl and 4 3ds the most. Ya the ai will gang up on the player in brawl a lot.

    • @AnonYmouSchris19
      @AnonYmouSchris19 4 года назад +1

      After the Terry patch the a.i. goes after the player even more than brawl on lvl 8-9.

  • @Markysharky35
    @Markysharky35 4 года назад +76

    Zero I’ve been playing a lot of smash recently and I’ve been getting considerably better thanks to your vids and I was wondering what your controls are cause you always say how you just flip the c stick for smash attacks but I know the majority of pro players have it set to tilts which is what I have mine set too so if you could show us in a vid that’d be awesome, also love the vids man keep em up

    • @josephassiryani9174
      @josephassiryani9174 4 года назад +2

      Ya and I think he might have tap jump too, but I’m not sure

    • @Leoslion02
      @Leoslion02 4 года назад +2

      m.ruclips.net/video/lNsCJV6WwvY/видео.html

    • @Kenzoah
      @Kenzoah 4 года назад +5

      It’s kinda character dependent for your c stick, also not that you asked me, but I use my L2 as a jump instead of a second shield bc it’s easier to turn and Bair with characters like palu joker Roy etc. not to mention I only shield with R2 so I didn’t need to buttons anyway

    • @lukepent9990
      @lukepent9990 4 года назад +1

      I'm pretty sure he uses the default controls

    • @jessevaldes5954
      @jessevaldes5954 4 года назад

      he has a whole video about this

  • @phoenixgresham8567
    @phoenixgresham8567 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for making such entertaining videos like this one, it really makes my day every time I watch your videos and its the only thing that keeps me motivated to work on the 10 hours of school I have each day. Keep up the amazing content! Oh also floor gang for life!!!!

  • @jr.pudding7363
    @jr.pudding7363 4 года назад +59

    Ice climbers evolve their combo throughout the smash games they appear in

    • @HeckHammer
      @HeckHammer 4 года назад

      As an icies main I agree ;)

    • @Snowballsage
      @Snowballsage 4 года назад

      Argentum same

    • @masterofyolo6102
      @masterofyolo6102 4 года назад

      Jr. Pudding icies are the smoothest character (change my mind)

    • @PengyDraws
      @PengyDraws 4 года назад

      @@masterofyolo6102
      Pac man

    • @masterofyolo6102
      @masterofyolo6102 4 года назад

      Slightly Artsy does pac man have a 0 to death that looks like your breaking the matrix but I can imagine pac man with the hydrant and throwing stuff

  • @SOSAqua
    @SOSAqua 4 года назад +6

    Peach and daisy DID have a difference at the beginning of the game. Peach's turnips had lower base knockback and more knockback growth, and daisy had more base knockback and less knockback growth. The reason why nobody knew this is because it was patched out days after it was discovered.

    • @nyon7209
      @nyon7209 4 года назад +1

      They still have a difference... barely. Their animations are slightly different, so Peach tends to have a slightly taller and thinner hitbox. How often does this matter? Probably never. The turnips, while true, was also a mistake; Daisy's turnips used the data from Smash 4, and they forgot to update them alongside Peach's.

  • @tylerbrown9631
    @tylerbrown9631 4 года назад +5

    This was really educational, and helped me realize why I like Brawl so much.

  • @endershel8163
    @endershel8163 4 года назад

    I love the information you give out in these videos they're very entertaining

  • @JamesTaylor6
    @JamesTaylor6 4 года назад

    Zero react videos are the best. Unlike other channels he doesn't use the video he's reacting to as the main component of the video rather as a starting point for him to talk about certain topics he can give a good insight into.

  • @ricksta_k
    @ricksta_k 4 года назад +16

    *ZeRo sees Diddy throwing 2 Bananas*
    "HAHAHAHAHA! memories..."

    • @ensanesane
      @ensanesane 4 года назад

      Was hoping for "if you hated olimar in ultimate..." Cries in 6 Pikmin

    • @Snowballsage
      @Snowballsage 4 года назад

      *ZeRo sees himself get laddered by bayo*
      “NOOOOOOOOO”

  • @aangpro01
    @aangpro01 4 года назад +31

    Zero : Posts
    Everyone: Rushes straight to the comments

    • @MegaSnek97
      @MegaSnek97 4 года назад

      Dejà vu anyone?
      To me it is.

  • @KoaYuki
    @KoaYuki 4 года назад +1

    In my time zone you upload at 9 and my online class starts at 9 so I watch this instead of paying attention to my class. Grind never quit

  • @Synthiox1
    @Synthiox1 4 года назад

    I love how you upload videos that are longer than 10-15 minutes... more content per day. keep it up

  • @shadoweddragonfilms4424
    @shadoweddragonfilms4424 4 года назад +7

    "I hate Lucario in Smash 4 with such a passion!"
    Tsu weeps.

  • @avityou234
    @avityou234 4 года назад +55

    Last time I was this early zero was going to tournaments,
    Oh wait..

    • @_SodaZ
      @_SodaZ 4 года назад +3

      You are too early lol

    • @chirijireiden
      @chirijireiden 4 года назад

      So last month

  • @Dachi40
    @Dachi40 4 года назад

    I’ll give props to him, managed to drag out all the other content long enough to get to this. That’s really good planning!

  • @lazypaladin
    @lazypaladin 4 года назад +1

    I never knew about Brawl PkmTrainers fatigue mechanic. Informative as always.
    I always say Brawl is my fave: One, it was my first SSB game and like Zero said theirs a charm to it. Sure you have chain grab, meta knight and tripping. But Subspace was amazing, the movement felt smooth in a way and I honestly love the realistic models.

  • @Eribow
    @Eribow 4 года назад +8

    Zero sees little Mac in bottom tier:
    Also Zero: You sure about that

    • @thesardonicrenegade3065
      @thesardonicrenegade3065 4 года назад

      The only reason Mac is "bottom tier" is because nobody know the trick to Mac, he's a boxer, Doc Louis even says this in his reveal trailer from smash 4 "you're no air fighter Mac!" He's meant to stay on the ground and play safe, wait for an opening and then strike, just like in his games, not to do crazy arial combos. As long as you remain grounded, you are pretty much guaranteed a win

  • @esqimo6647
    @esqimo6647 4 года назад +6

    “Nana now does a taunt when you throw”
    Yeah. Except we have cheer cancelling now, to stop this. Fun. And we have a jab infinite on small characters, as well as infinites in yoshi, gnw, puff and paisy.

  • @Snowballsage
    @Snowballsage 4 года назад

    10:36 the way spikes work in melee is that moves that send you straight down can have their hitstun cancelled by using jump or up b(aka meteor cancelling). However, marth and falco’s down airs don’t send you straight down, meaning they can’t be meteor cancelled.

  • @abdullahhusain9336
    @abdullahhusain9336 4 года назад

    To ZeRo's editor: More of this plz and ty xD 16:37

  • @Endershock1678
    @Endershock1678 4 года назад +4

    If you're doing Smash Analysts, can you look at Mockrock. I love his content and I feel his videos cover things many don't talk about like Niche Maps or Character Archetypes. I would also love to hear your response to his most well designed characters video and his yearly character introspective.

  • @zombotany3443
    @zombotany3443 3 года назад +10

    So this is how it ends... no more videos because of what he has done in the past. I never thought I would ever see a youtuber end like this. I was subbed for a good bit and learned a bit to, but it is sad to see this channel go. It sucks that he wont be making more videos, but I guess that is for the best since it would probably do more harm then good, especially if he made one of those over done apology videos. Soon even this comment section will be gone, which is for the best, I guess. It is good that he had gotten caught, I just wish he didn't have to stop making videos because of it. At least he seems sorry for what he did, but that doesn't mean that it justifies what he did in the past. Instead of kicking him while he is down (even though he most likely doesn't look at the comments anymore for obvious reasons) and saying good riddance, I will say adios, it was good seeing your videos. You were one of my favorites.

    • @zentazym1
      @zentazym1 3 года назад +2

      I like his content, but come on man. You’re making it sound like he had harmless fun in the past and now he’s in trouble for something he shouldn’t be in trouble for. If he would’ve come clean immediately, he’d probably still have his channel, and sure, he’d have probably put out a cringy apology video, but that’s just the way it goes now. Instead, he denied everything until he couldn’t anymore, and probably kept the information regarding circle of smash pedos that got exposed under the radar to save his own skin.

    • @zombotany3443
      @zombotany3443 3 года назад +1

      @@zentazym1 I know he did something bad, but that doesn't mean he deserves as much hate as he has gotten.

    • @zentazym1
      @zentazym1 3 года назад +1

      Zombotany Did he even get that much hate though? Every video I’ve seen is sympathetic for him because he’s getting therapy.

    • @zombotany3443
      @zombotany3443 3 года назад

      @@zentazym1 ... you should look at the comments for the first video he uploaded then and sort comments by newest. The hate has cooled down and I posted this comment when he was getting a lot of hate. I get why people are angry, it is perfectly reasonable, but they don't have to make it know to someone who already knows what they did was wrong. Like I said though, what he did was awful, I do agree.

    • @zentazym1
      @zentazym1 3 года назад

      Zombotany I mean sure, his most recent videos got a lot of negative comment, but they don’t even have that bad of a like to dislike ratio. It’s not like a ProJared situation, where he was publicly exposed for (supposed, but not true in retrospect) his sexual exploits and had the entire internet after him for months, the top youtubers in the community making videos mocking him, he lost like hundreds of thousands of subscribers, and yatta yatta. Zero got off easy tbh. Besides negative comments on a few of his newer videos, the worst thing that happened was getting banned from Twitch. What he did probably should’ve gotten some jail time even.
      All that being said, I’d say give it a year (or less) and he’ll be back on RUclips. Things blow over fast on the internet. People might care and attack him for his first video or two, but it’ll be like nothing happened at the end of the day. It’s not like he even lost subs, so whatever he does will likely be successful.

  • @firelifeblizzard8782
    @firelifeblizzard8782 4 года назад +1

    1:28 OKAY but who sculpted this man's immaculate chin?! Shits goddamn like captain falcon

  • @MattTOB618
    @MattTOB618 3 года назад +2

    16:01 "Most meaningless difference between a fighter and their echo is between Pit and Dark Pit"
    That is objectively not true. Peach and Daisy are so similar that, when a difference WAS found (namely, the difference in the knockback growth of their turnips), it got PATCHED OUT.

  • @Thundeenuggies
    @Thundeenuggies 4 года назад +44

    4:20
    ZeRo: I hate that ladder combo so much
    Me: Maybe its because thats the ladder combo nairo used that made u loose ur smash 4 winning streak

  • @CriIp
    @CriIp 4 года назад +20

    You made such good content, Rip zero for now

  • @TrueAsh4337
    @TrueAsh4337 4 года назад +2

    Watch how his expression changes to unhappy as soon as he started watching Smash 4

  • @germanazurin1501
    @germanazurin1501 4 года назад

    14:22 I like how Game and Watch went from the worst shield in Melee to one of the best with his ridiculous up B out of shield

  • @milos1967
    @milos1967 4 года назад +6

    Really enjoy this take on reaction content. I think it's interesting to see someone who's really good at the game comment on this stuff. It's like that accent coach who comments on performed accents in different movies.

  • @StickMaster500
    @StickMaster500 4 года назад +24

    I think regardless of what characters should get buffed or nerfed, we can definitely all agree that at least we have balance patches to make the games less broken since Smash 4.
    *I’m looking at you Meta Knight.*

  • @brofenix
    @brofenix 4 года назад

    Very interesting commentary :) I didn't know about a lot of these things.

  • @valenceuwu7819
    @valenceuwu7819 4 года назад

    I have waited for this video for so long!

  • @ZCatt
    @ZCatt 4 года назад +4

    It's because Roy's attacks are slower, but the frames the sword hitboxes are active are the same.

  • @radiatoronwheels673
    @radiatoronwheels673 4 года назад +5

    I don't think breaking the smash community was one of these videos...

  • @Aggelaki777
    @Aggelaki777 4 года назад

    the funniest thing about the icies is that you can do "cheer cancelling" which basically removed the mechanic of nana cheering during a grab. So even that balancing aspect has gone out the window lol

  • @notalive5479
    @notalive5479 4 года назад +1

    9:35
    Alright, so if I remember correctly, the issue with some of Roy's attacks does result from mostly being ported from Marth, but for an interesting reason.
    Roy was designed to be a sort of bruiser counterpart to Marth, with slower attacks and a focus on getting close and personal. What they did was make his animations longer, but they didn't actually change when the hurtboxes come out. Melee handles attacks by initiating the move, and then having hurtbox "timers" that tell the game what frame to initiate the hurtboxes and what frame to remove them. The hurtbox starter starts the hurtbox, the ender ends it. There were some hiccups with it, such as Link's nair, which didn't have an ender. As a result, it kept its hurtbox for the entirety of the move. This is besides the point though. The problem with Roy is that they made his animation longer, but didn't change the framedata of the hurtbox. This means that the hurtbox for Roy's dash attack comes out while his sword is still beside his body, and ends before he actually swings his sword. The move has a hurtbox on Roy's arm though, so technically you could still hit someone with the move if you used it as a shoulder bash instead of a slash(which might be interesting to add to a swordie in the future actually) For his up-air, it meant that the hurtbox disappeared before he finished his swipe.
    tl;dr
    The developers made the animations longer without changing the framedata.

  • @frenquencie
    @frenquencie 4 года назад +3

    The way he says banana tho

  • @Echoesoftimelover
    @Echoesoftimelover 4 года назад +5

    3:44 Lmao 🤣🤣Marth, calm down

  • @math_no7317
    @math_no7317 4 года назад +2

    I can assure you, chrom's up B still is that good. Chrom's spike still spike the opponent first. It just happens at later percents and weight

  • @sadied0g
    @sadied0g 4 года назад +2

    18:55 as a melee player, I was enjoying smash 4 for the first 3 or so months of the game. One of the tournies I went to, went up against a lucario, up 1-0, boutta close out the 2-0. He back airs (?) and kills me ~30% while he’s at 150+. Same scenario game 3, I’m boutta win and die to a back air sub 50.
    I went back to melee

  • @tommil_ssb3165
    @tommil_ssb3165 4 года назад +5

    If Nintendo just fixed online ultimate would be perfect, it would also be cool if they rereleased melee and brawl with minor changes to fix all the infinite’s and too janky things

    • @saricubra2867
      @saricubra2867 4 года назад +4

      Also lower the input lag in Ultimate and fix the buffer system, that also adds to the Online's laggy nature.

    • @saricubra2867
      @saricubra2867 4 года назад

      Brawl was already patched by Project M.

    • @tommil_ssb3165
      @tommil_ssb3165 4 года назад +2

      Star masterc Yea the buffer system is one of the other few problems with ultimate, and Project M was made by someone else not Nintendo, it was basically just melee brawl

    • @greylepoard
      @greylepoard 4 года назад +3

      improve the buffer system, reduce input lag, make movement smoother, improve the whiff punish game/reduce number of safe options, add a few more input options AND fix online and it's the perfect smash game
      (they'll never do this though because that's an insane amount of work and costs a lot of money)

  • @sharsasuke01
    @sharsasuke01 4 года назад +4

    Mango: "Armada CC down smash me for over 10 years and then retired."
    Peach's down smash really is broken. LOL

  • @Soul94255
    @Soul94255 4 года назад

    Hey ZeRo I just wanted to say that if you could put yourself in the top right or top left on videos that have text on the screen it would help people with OCD so much and we could read the text better lol. Love your videos. I keep that bell notification on lock boi.

  • @MonadoJoJo
    @MonadoJoJo 4 года назад

    Wow I learned so much about Melee and Brawl and even Smash 4, tho.I played it since releases. Thanl you ZeRo! Really really love this and theses videos.
    And also.
    WHAT THE HELL WAS THE SMASH 4 SAMUS UP B WTF!?

  • @zackcorner
    @zackcorner 4 года назад +4

    Smash Ultimate is definitely the best in the series and one of my favorite games of all time. And it can be even better! We just need a few changes to things like input delay/buffering, GSP, some kind of ping/connection display, and a few character tweaks (let little mac side b multiple times in the air.) #FixUltimateOnline

  • @Kookie_K1d
    @Kookie_K1d 4 года назад +3

    Imagine smash 4 rage in ultimate with some characters killing so early
    (Gannon, joker, etc)

    • @pastelpixelp
      @pastelpixelp 4 года назад

      joker would be unstoppable with rage

  • @sirhawkjames
    @sirhawkjames 3 года назад

    As much as I miss the daily zero content, he was talking about not being able to take a break and I'm glad he's able to do that

  • @drewsprings6504
    @drewsprings6504 4 года назад +1

    ZeRo: *Sees melee jank*
    Also ZeRo: I did that to a casual friend once

  • @bibekkochar
    @bibekkochar 4 года назад +31

    Everyone: “Omg Heeew”
    Me: “Who?”

    • @derekq8790
      @derekq8790 4 года назад +4

      it's heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew, duh

    • @johanklaver3237
      @johanklaver3237 4 года назад

      Ye the YTber is ded..

    • @philRacoindie
      @philRacoindie 4 года назад +1

      @@johanklaver3237 he's not, smash is dead, so his channel is

    • @MoltenSkull
      @MoltenSkull 4 года назад +2

      @@philRacoindie Do I have to explain for the literal 1000th time that saying "This game dead" doesn't mean anything and 99.99% of the time someone says that to a game the game isn't dead
      The game is dead when the servers are shut down, BARELY anyone talks about it online I mean like maybe someone talks about it once every 2 weeks, and when BARELY any people are playing the game (I mean like around 10 people a day), last time I checked the Smash servers are up, there are non-stop talk about Smash, and it only takes like 5-10 seconds to find a match so alot of people are playing the game, the game isn't dead so stop saying that it has lost all meaning are you like 10 years old or something

  • @Snowballsage
    @Snowballsage 4 года назад +4

    26:31 “battle passes”

  • @kribyy7784
    @kribyy7784 4 года назад

    4:40 Zero was feeling the bayo ladder combo that salem did, I heard his tone and I was like, hes so mad

  • @VenomousPilot
    @VenomousPilot 4 года назад

    I love these long uploads