I never noticed this before but: throughout the game duels are a central component of plot progression. Many of John's enemies insist upon it. And yet, Dutch doesn't even attempt it. When the feds come for John, his final act is to try and quick-draw an army that has long-since abandoned this practice and executes him without honor or remorse. It's a great and subtle way the "death of the west" was woven into the story AND gameplay.
0:50 Is a fantastic detail showing John's gunslinging experience compared to 'Jonah'. Jonah reaches down for his gun before John, but John was still able to draw on him faster.
Those dying raspy breathes of John are so realistic, it's like, he's in pain, choking on blood, knows what happen, but resolutely accepts it. Not even humoring Ross with any quips, just, dying.
I feel like john definitely couldve lived through all that shit, but there'd be a million more coming for him, and the last thing he wanted was for his family and him to become outlaws on the run again
@@andreagasparetto1694 Yeah right, a guy doesn't change at all after losing all his gang friends in 8 years, but suddenly becomes an ENTIRE DIFFERENT PERSON in 4, accurate character development!
@@sulkii9437 he's a different person because his family is being held hostage while he's on a forced suicide mission hunting some of the most wanted and dangerous men in the country who once were his friends and mentor. And his gang "friends" aside from Arthur and a few others betrayed him anyway. And he did change quite a lot in 8 years, he went from an immature outlaw who didn't give a shit about his wife and son to a man who regrets his past and he's trying to give his family a normal life. But of course to you he didn't change at all. Maybe actually think about what you are talking about, it's not too hard, just try for once
@@andreagasparetto1694 Oh yeah, his family got held hostage, so now he knows how to speak properly, how to be intimidating despite saying he was like that during the gang, got a better vocabulary and suddenly knows how to give quick answers to people insulting him, but from 1899 to 1907, only thing he did at all was start to care for his family after abigail left his ass, top tier writing
Purely coincidental, but you can tell John’s VA kept his performance around 60-80% for the first game. His acting in Red Dead 2 is more animated and dynamic, unintentionally showing how tired John begins to sound after so long trying to look after his family.
@@lucasmartinez5703 if you think about it, Ross had this planned all along, he got John Marston to kill the Van der linde gang for him then betray John who is the last member of the Van der linde gang
@@lucasmartinez5703 Never trust the feds lol way before this people should've known they would've betrayed John but yeah this right here was them putting it right in your face
I feel rdr2's story was really cinematic at times but rdr1 kinda felt realer in a sense with the dialogue and the tone. Also john is 10 times a better character than he is in the epilogue of rdr2, feels real pissed off as he should be! Who wouldn't in his situation
@@coltforceplayz5285 It's not... He's just saying its crazy to think about how this game takes place after the wild west era died but it's the best cowboy game that's ever been released
Considering how RDR2 had the primarily Irish accented O’Driscolls as a major antagonist, yeah, Marston probably reflexively gets his gun hand ready when he hears someone call him “boyo”
It's really cool to come back to RDR1 and realize how John has matured. Even Arthur never seemed this calm and composed before. Probably would've sucker punched the drunk Mexicans the moment they opened their mouths
@@thecapedcrusader6710 compared to Arthur John is not like Arthur he’s a man trying to be an outlaw but with hidden feelings while John is a man trying to live a normal life but is an outlaw by nature he’s a violent man a nonsense type of a guy he’s more of a hardened man and colder than Arthur in terms of his character that’s what makes him more of an outlaw Arthur is funny but John man his sarcasm is beyond the roof of rdr2 with his witty
@@edmondvalmont1546 learn not to give a shit about writing sentences in the internet it may give the impression I’m a retard but who really cares to point that out in a response that has no purpose relating to my previous comment other than corrections so really that’s all
I love RDR 2, but RDR 1 will always have a bigger place in my heart. there is something about John Marston that clinched to me, his voice, his tough man attitude are all pretty fitting to the tone of the series. not to mention the DLC was marvelous.
Hell yea its john all day for me but I look at rdr2 as more of johns backstory then Arthur’s story but I like Arthur too but u can’t beat the original main character
Now, this hurts. Cause, without the 2nd game, and spending all that time with John, Arthur, Bill, Javier and Dutch, the 1st game didn't hurt so bad. But, seeing John be outright murdered.. That brings me to tears
Okay, i was never sad when he or Arthur died, mostly because John deserved to die and Arthur well i already knew he was going to die after leaving the doctors office so why would i be sad, also Arthur managed to save John and the rest of the gang from destruction too so he died having completed his mission.
@@panthera1529 Just because he is likeable doesn't mean he is a good guy, anyone besides his family was just cattle in his view, he is a low honor character trying to be good.
I always liked it too. Especially when Marston claims he's "here to capture or kill Bill Williamson" and the Marshall just sort of laughs and says "ok". The marshall is an experienced, hard man, and while Marston may be a total badass, the marshall could teach him a thing or two about how to deal with lowlife scumbags on a daily basis. I like how he is completely cool when Marston is holding a gun to Jonah, and how jonah fully respects the Marshall, despite thinking Marston is a Williamson gang-member. Just so much character-information we get to gleam from a few minutes of interaction. The RDR dialogue writers were excellent at their job.
the fact john tells his family "keep riding and dont look back" just as arthur told him to " when the time comes, YOU GO...... and dont look back" IMMA CRY ;(
People always talking about Arthur inspiring everyone in the series but in reality John was the face of red dead and what started everything for the series if it wasn’t for John most of these characters wouldn’t of been as badass johns story was what the game was about mainly
@@heywoah468 i don't think the comment was debating that john is the face of red dead or trying start a competition between the two characters but instead just to saying it's sad john ends up saying the same words as arthur before his sacrifice.
Can you imagine having John's voice? I'll bet EVERYTHING his voice actor says sounds like badassery. *"I'll have an iced mocha decaf latte with a shot of espresso and vegan caramel shavings."*
18:42 That tension when you walk out those doors for the first time is insane and I wish I could reexperience it One of the most investing and climatic parts of any game I've played
Always liked Javier, even in RDR1. I know many people dislike the Guarma chapter and felt it was a bit disjointed from the rest of the story. However, from a narrative standpoint, it's the pivot that ties the whole story together. It's understated how much it impacted the dynamic of for the rest of the story. It's where Arthur truly begins to lose Faith in Dutch and where he first begins to show bouts of illness. It's also where I think Javier's loyalty to Dutch (and even Bill's to a lesser degree) are cemented. Nothing was the same afterwards. Dutch had done right by Javier on Guarma (coming back for him, and ensuring his rescue), and because of that Javier was in his debt. Javier was smart. And like Arthur, he was probably aware to some extent that Dutch was losing it towards the end of the gang's run. However, he couldn't bring himself to turn against Dutch, not so soon. I like to think that had he not been captured on Guarma, Javier would have sided with Arthur & John when the gang broke up. I felt like that of everyone who sided with Dutch in the end, Javier was the only person who would have done differently at the end if just 1 or 2 things in the story had gone differently in the middle.
I think people didn’t like Chapter 5 because it was way too short, but a lot of that chapter had cut content. Javier also doesn’t aim his gun at Arthur & John at the end of Chapter 6, which was a nice detail.
@@rascallygoose4926 Good find. That was actually something I missed in my playthrough, it just adds to everything I was saying above. Rockstar is oh so subtle sometimes. Seriously, what an amazing game. Both RDR1 & 2 are on my list of things that I wish I could go back and experience for the first time again.
@DMRS: Servus Christi I mean, by that logic, lots of people were poorly written in comparison to their counterparts in RDR1. Writing prequels is harder than writing sequels, and for the most part I think Rockstar handled the writing of RDR2 very well. You have to remember also that something like 10 years passes between when Javier sides with Dutch and when John runs into him in RDR1. 10 years. People can change a lot in 10 years. John did.
Except in this game John talks about himself like he used to be some ruthless badass outlaw but in reality he’s just an idiot who needs to be rescued all the time
@@user-hx6gs9rq7uWhat lol. In RDR2 John is a damn badass everytime he's on screen, in my first playthrough my favorite missions are the ones that involve John, he was a drunken idiot but he was 12 years younger or something
@Youssef hatem I personally do not like writing of epilogue John and his epilogue look(Looks like Arthur with jetblack hair color), But I do however like John more than Arthur, again this is an opinion.
@@ufoexpert1223 wym? He has a lot of development from the second game to the first game and he already had a lot of depth in the first game due to his past.
@@chief5604 yeah but i forget you do some as john since i do most of them as arthur, besides the ones that take place in new austin or blackwater or whatever
I've been a fan of Halo since the very beginning which is almost 20 years now and have always loved the Chief. But I'd be outright lying if I said that John Marston and Arthur Morgan aren't two of the greatest protagonists ever created in not just the video games medium, but entertainment as a whole, and thats including film and tv. Their journeys have been nothing short of phenomenal and each and every time I play ether one of these amazing games, I'm always discovering something new. Rockstar really did outdo themselves with these masterpieces.
Arthur: Good person deep down but is trying to be a grizzled outlaw. John: Trying to be a good person but is a grizzled outlaw underneath it all and *the world is trying his patience 24/7.* I think this is why I prefer John. I relate more to desperately holding back rage towards people you absolutely cannot stand.
10:33 “then you and Dutch went crazy” almost sounds like the original plot was going to be javiar in 2nd of command besides Dutch in RD2 originally. Because What we got in RDR2 was a javiar who wouldn’t even point his gun at Arthur or John in the standoff on Arthur’s last mission.
Here’s what I think the story was meant to be like: John was Dutch’s second in command while Bill and Javier were enforcers. However, once John and Dutch began falling out, Javier steps in after John gets demoted. Dutch starts losing his sanity and it leaves a bad effect on Javier. Dutch and Javier start killing people without giving their decisions much thought and it eventually leads to Bill falling apart as well. The gang begins to suspect John is a traitor since he no longer believes in Dutch’s vision, so they leave him to die in a failed ferry robbery in 1906. The gang would split off when the robbery goes sour, Dutch disappears in a fire, and Javier and Bill go their separate ways, and John, Uncle, and his family leave the gang. Two years later, John earns enough money working in a brothel with Uncle and Abigail to buy a farm at Beecher’s Hope, he hires Uncle as a ranch hand, and Jack as well as his soon to be deceased sister move in.
Well Javier was with Dutch and Micah when they “went back” for John so it’s not entirely inaccurate. Javier did leave John behind along with Dutch. I think the main reason he didn’t point his gun was because he still respected Arthur but he hated John by Ch.6 and suspected him of being a traitor same as Bill
I think Javier really loved Arthur, but was indifferent toward John. But I agree that line doesn’t make sense after playing the second game. Javier and Bill didn’t really do anything crazy other than side with Dutch when the gang broke up. Micah was Dutch’s downfall. Of course Micah wasn’t even thought of in the first game. When you have a prequel there’s always going to be little things that don’t add up. Just one of those things you have to live with.
RDRs dialogue is just better than the prequel I think. Something about it conveys a greater cinematic experience, the pauses, the word choice, the suspense keeps you interested in these cutscenes.
@@sammayo473 and I've come to tell you that if you ever pretend to forget my name and your debt to me again I'll make sure you reach Heaven before these two ladies, now get down there!
Fantastic voice acting by Abigail at the end when she tells John “I love you too”. I really hope they make a live movie of this masterpiece. It’s only inevitable in my opinion somebody will bring it up with Rockstar if they haven’t already.
2:40 Those facial expression though! have you seen a more realistic one in recent games? I swear, the facial expressions in this game was way ahead of its time...
@@herbseinburg449 witcher 3 facial expressions are not more realistic though. Rdr1 cutscenes are excellent because of the mocap technology they used. The characters even have some of the tiniest quirks and movements that a real person would have
All the people who have only played RDR2 have zero friggin' idea of how amazing John is as a character. RDR2 alone does him no justice at all. I adore Arthur but to me, John will always be the best.
@@fullsendabeerforme2988He was 26 and had been running with some of the most wanted outlaws for 15 years. Having him be some idiot who needs to be rescued all the time was not necessary
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u I know men personally who work in dangerous careers who are dumb as rocks. It doesn't matter how long you have been in a career. Doesn't make you smart at it. John was dumb then. That's the lore. Get over it. It's realistic, too.
@@fullsendabeerforme2988Except that’s not how John talks about his past self in the first game. He talks about himself as if he use to be some ruthless killer who was worse then his 1911 self, but in the second game we see none of that
See John was so badass they really dialed him down in the second game I know it was mainly Arthur's story but it always seemed like John was an after thought
John's death was worse than Arthur's bc u knew that Arthur was dying. In the first game u went thru all that shit to get shot down out of nowhere shit was heartbreaking 😭💯
When you play the second one , John is more mellowed out, it’s just cool to come back to the first one and realize why John is such a badass… why he is so pissed off and how far he has come.
In RDR2, javier more or less seemed like a reasonably good guy, as much as a murdering, looting, thieving bandit can be good. In rdr1, he always just seemed like a skeeving little rat. Feels a bit odd. I wonder what exactly was the "turn" for his personality.
@@RedFloyd469 I'm gonna assume at some point he realized Dutch is as crazy as Arthur and John accused him to be and he didn't have a home to go to so he probably start doing really shitty jobs just to survive. And when the revolution started he sided with the government to get his bounty absolved in Mexico
@@RedFloyd469 its probably because they didnt actually have a story planned for RDR2 and had to come up with tit after RDR.. but personally i like to think that javier simply shows his true colours after the gang/family falls apart in RDR2
Better then RDR 2 by a mile, this game actually felt like I was playing a western. It was goofy and crazy but also serious and heartbreaking. Rdr2 didn’t have that special variety and anyone who’s played rdr 1 ALOT knows rdr2 was missing the feeling/heart of Rdr 1. Despite how technically flawless rdr2 is, I always felt like it missed the mark. Although I know this is not a feeling held by many
That’s what I loved about RDR1. It had the exterior of a romantic western, but deep at its core, it was very much the opposite. John isn’t just some western archetypal protagonist, he’s got skeletons in his closet. And his redemption was much less on the nose and subtle. In the beginning of the game, he very much clings to the ideals of his former mentor Dutch and even attempts to justify his actions by claiming his gang were noble outlaws with a good cause. And although that’s partly true, we learn later in the game, from John’s conversation with Javier, that their code turned out to be an excuse for them to rob and kill. "You know that life we lived is over. And when we was livin' it-it didn’t mean nothin' anyways. It was just an excuse and we all knew." Even John’s politics change after his time in Mexico. He starts out the game with the belief that government and laws shouldn’t be enforced within America, believing that man should be free. However, after seeing firsthand the anarchy, hypocrisy, bloodshed, and violence incited by both Allende and Reyes, John realizes just how much laws and government are needed. He sees the parallels between Reyes and Dutch. Two great men that turned out to be nothing but frauds. The story doesn’t offer any clear moral stance and instead shows the player that no one is perfect. Everyone is corrupt in their own ways and are prone to act in their own self interests. It’s one of the most unromantic and brutally honest depictions I’ve seen of the American west since The Wild Bunch. And yet, it still maintains that goofy and satirical atmosphere that you talked about. RDR2 definitely dropped the ball when it came to this. Rather than continuing the themes the first game set up with its blurred and muddled sense of morality, it decided to go the Hollywood route and tell a much more safe and clear cut redemption story with the typical message of revenge being bad. It’s so safe and uninspired that I can’t believe it was written by the same people.
Rdr2 stans will get angry just because rdr2 have better story and graphics and say "Rdr1 is trash, Rdr2 is the best!" This is why I hate rdr2, arthur, 1899 jack, arabian horse and valentine town stans
@@jinxthatsme2317 Thank you bro, you hit the nail right on the head. I wouldn’t say RDR2’s story is “bad” by any means, but it was definitely more commercialized in comparison to RDR1’s more grounded and real approach.
I feel like rdr1 captures a story of a badass gunslinger who ends up dying an honorable western death, quick drawing against the many of the army, saving his family. Then the redemption ark of Jack coming back to kill Edgar Ross. Rdr2 captures more of Dutch’s gang and the story of an outlaw and a bandit who midway through the story catches a disease, he develops different traits from being a egotistical cowboy to feeling regret, guilt, and then eventually decides that in his last few acts he has left he’s going to dedicate it to helping John get his family out. Then of course with John coming back to kill Micah for his redemption ark. Both games connect very neatly, both of these characters are legendary, and both died in great acts of love which I think is the beauty of these two games.
Agreed. I love RDR 2 don't get me wrong, it has a great world, story and is a marvel in every technical aspect. The story however is very cut and dry with the developments of Arthur, John, Dutch and to a certain extent Javier being the story's saving grace. It lacked the depth, subtleness and realism of RDR 1, it didn't give you the same feeling of dread and brutality that 1 had.
I expected every cutscene of him, just don’t add “getting shot in the gut by Bill and passing out” scene. And I hope this gets a remaster with the RDR2 engine, with all of the little details Rockstar did and gets a little remaster of some dialogues where John sometimes mentions Arthur.
We don't need any of the original dialogue changed or retconned in any way. It was perfect as is and the integrity of the original game should be honored.
@@kurauphantommemory7192 yes but rdr2 uses an updated more advanced version of the engine used in rdr. Game engines go through upgrades over time, so developers always use the latest engine version for their latest games.
You missed one of the best ones man Bill: "I fucked Abigail John" John: "Well now i'm fucking with you Bill!" Irish: "We're meeting a fella by the name of shaky" John: "And he has got the ammunition we need ?" Irish: "Jesus stop fretting will you? I knows about guns front back and sideways" John: "You're gonna be real familiar with mine if things keep on this way" Jonah: "...Bill Williamson folded you like an empty purse last time if i remember correctly" Sherrif Leigh: "simmer down Jonah!" John: "Listen to your boss Jonah! There's a good boy. Otherwise, I'll put a hole in your hillibilly head and watch your tiny brain drain out" Badass John lines during Gameplay : "I'm gonna give you a chance to kill me, cause i'm just that nice" "I'm thinking one of us has gotta die pal" "Maybe you'll get one of them pothstumous medals!" "You best shoot me now or this is over!" "Prepare to die amigo!" "Lets see what your insides look like!" "Run away and maybe i wont kill you!" "Why dont you bring some friends, make this a fair fight" "Aint not one of you will walk outa here" "This is all you fools last day on earth!" "Things aint looking bueno!" "This would be a fair fight if you could shoot straight !" He has so many badass lines during Gameplay. someone should compile them all in a video
Well, Irish does that too. He calls his friends welsh and french. He isn't even sure the latter IS french. Also, keep in mind that dutch is....well...called dutch. His last name "VanDerLinde" is also a very dutch name. I just think folks back then weren't very clever with coming up with nicknames, and genuinely thought just calling a person by their ethnicity or ancestors' nationality was enough. It's also somewhat derogatory. Like you don't care about this person's identity one bit and just call them by their most obvious characteristic, their language or heritage.
Javier left John to die. Javier and Dutch left John die Arthur never save John life. Even Javier says that him and Dutch left him to die and though he was dead. Bill Williamston say that Dutch wanted John to die because John knew the truth. They fuck up the storylines because they wanted Arthur to feel important and he not important because John is the centerpiece of Red Dead Redemption
@@merchantmocha4665 it makes a lot of sense they created a new character in Arthur Morgan and to put him over with Players they gave him the storyline that makes him “save”the main character of the entire franchise which makes zero fucking sense as to why they would add a new character in the first place,in this game(RDR1) You can kinda Hint that John was Dutch’s right hand when bill says No more Dutch and No more You.As to why they changed it makes zero sense to me.
John is even more badass after playing 2 and seeing how much he grew. Now he seems wiser with experience than anything else, and he had a great mentor that made him such a badass.
I really feel like this version of John marston is the best outlaw. Although he’s a close second compared to Arthur, he could easily handle anyone else from the gang. The maturity. The anger. The experience in this game is a lot different then how we see him in RDR2
I like how John from the first game is completely different from what was presented in the second, he is stronger, much more intelligent, he acts less on emotion and more on reason, he is never shaken during the entire game and not even before being shot, he really stand unshaken
In rdr 2 he's younger and naive. In rdr 1, by this point he's already annoyed and fed up about having to do outlaw shit again. He's pretty much worn out by rdr 1, therefore is pissed of 95% of the tine
A lot of people have that complain about RDR2s John, but they have to take in mind, he was really trying to leave the past after marrying Abigail, then the feds got him and his family, forcing him to kill his old gang (family) when he clearly didn't wanted to and also had his wife and son kidnapped. We play as a John Marston that hates what he's doing but its good at it, hes tired of everyone and uses them like tools to get his family back, thats why hes much colder and emotionless than in RDR2
This game will be my all time favourite. It pissed me off how they "downgraded" him in rdr2. Arthur was an awesome character in rdr2 and its a masterpiece of a game but nothing can beat John Marston in Rdr1. Pure badass
@Lamar Davis sounds plausible, but I think most rdr1 players were pissed, they expected john to be a badass in rdr2 but if I see it your way, its actually cool ngl
@Lamar Davis no one who plays gow or doom questions if Arthur is more badass than the characters in those games, if that was the case then his character alone would’ve won GOTY. Rdr1 got GOTY, so John is a match for Arthur.
I've never played RDR1 before just RDR2 so I thought John was useless but after watching this vid I start to understand why people like him more than Arthur, man is badass as hell even more than Arthur
This game is so nostalgic I remember me and my older brother staying up playing when I was younger now he 22 and I’m 18 I never get to see him but the memories r always there
“I’m your old friend Amnesia” is one of my favourite cutscenes in the game
Makes me laugh every time.
Put them... *UP* 🔫
Legendary scene XD The fact that we aspect something and he says that, then he bonks him in the head, still catches me off guard XD
Can’t believe I’ve skipped this scene ash child lmao
*Takes drink from bottle* "It makes me violently angry."
I feel like the game was longer than 20 minutes
😂😂
Missions: 4 - 5 Hours
100% Completion: 10 -13 hours
@@coltforceplayz5285 the rdr1 movie on youtube lasts 8 hours and that's just story missions. How did you get the "4-5" hour range?
@@Pedro_Le_Chef I'm fast
@@Pedro_Le_Chef speed run = skipping cutscenes + riding dialogs
I never noticed this before but: throughout the game duels are a central component of plot progression. Many of John's enemies insist upon it. And yet, Dutch doesn't even attempt it. When the feds come for John, his final act is to try and quick-draw an army that has long-since abandoned this practice and executes him without honor or remorse.
It's a great and subtle way the "death of the west" was woven into the story AND gameplay.
Damn, I didn’t notice that
so the Last Samurai but cowboys instead
He did draw his gun but I do see what you mean by no honor
you got that right, Cipher!
It's a shame that there wasn't as many duels in RDR2
0:50 Is a fantastic detail showing John's gunslinging experience compared to 'Jonah'. Jonah reaches down for his gun before John, but John was still able to draw on him faster.
Wow I noticed thatttttttt
just like Arthur on his last mission. Micah reached first, but Arthur drew way faster
@@lucabrandao5243 Arthur was also in a bad way due to TB so Healthy Arthur would be a much faster draw
@@lucabrandao5243 please stop with arthur he already got the popularity while john became underrated
@@chief5604 wth are you talking about? most of the players consider John as the best character of the 7th generation
Those dying raspy breathes of John are so realistic, it's like, he's in pain, choking on blood, knows what happen, but resolutely accepts it.
Not even humoring Ross with any quips, just, dying.
I feel like john definitely couldve lived through all that shit, but there'd be a million more coming for him, and the last thing he wanted was for his family and him to become outlaws on the run again
@@biggeneric5507 sometimes I feel the same way.
@Reb_ishko 83 Let's see you use your brain.
@Reb_ishko 83 analysing scenes is fun and opens up character imo
Hard to make quips when you’ve just been shot up from 20 different angles
This video just should've been whenever John uttered a word in the entire game. Whenever he breathes he radiates pure badass
Sucks so much that RDR2 made him a complete idiot and insecure person in Epilogue
@@sulkii9437 *character development*
@@andreagasparetto1694 Yeah right, a guy doesn't change at all after losing all his gang friends in 8 years, but suddenly becomes an ENTIRE DIFFERENT PERSON in 4, accurate character development!
@@sulkii9437 he's a different person because his family is being held hostage while he's on a forced suicide mission hunting some of the most wanted and dangerous men in the country who once were his friends and mentor. And his gang "friends" aside from Arthur and a few others betrayed him anyway. And he did change quite a lot in 8 years, he went from an immature outlaw who didn't give a shit about his wife and son to a man who regrets his past and he's trying to give his family a normal life. But of course to you he didn't change at all. Maybe actually think about what you are talking about, it's not too hard, just try for once
@@andreagasparetto1694 Oh yeah, his family got held hostage, so now he knows how to speak properly, how to be intimidating despite saying he was like that during the gang, got a better vocabulary and suddenly knows how to give quick answers to people insulting him, but from 1899 to 1907, only thing he did at all was start to care for his family after abigail left his ass, top tier writing
Purely coincidental, but you can tell John’s VA kept his performance around 60-80% for the first game. His acting in Red Dead 2 is more animated and dynamic, unintentionally showing how tired John begins to sound after so long trying to look after his family.
John in rdr2 has a different VA because the original didnt want to do it again
@@chaseblackstone8749 I am pretty sure it is the same one, but if you can provide information that says otherwise then I take back what I said.
@@chaseblackstone8749 give link
nvm, a quick google search says they both have the same voice actor, Rob Wiethoff
@@chaseblackstone8749 it's Rob Wiethoff in both stop spreading lies
Ross: Oh Mr Marston! One more thing,This is for you.
*Aims pistol at him*
John: *YOU'RE TOO KIND*
In hindsight, that was a VERY obvious tell that he was gonna turn on John.
@@lucasmartinez5703 if you think about it, Ross had this planned all along, he got John Marston to kill the Van der linde gang for him then betray John who is the last member of the Van der linde gang
@@coltforceplayz5285 yeah that's the point
@@ploptart3196 ik
@@lucasmartinez5703 Never trust the feds lol way before this people should've known they would've betrayed John but yeah this right here was them putting it right in your face
I just realized something... Both John and Arthur said goodbye to Abigail when she was on a horse shortly before they both died
I just realized it my question is where they gonna go with it in rdr3 if it ever is made
@@bighammer172 jack marston goes to Tahiti to relax and visit uncle Dutch
@@KiwiMan5S5 The spirit of uncle Dutch*
@@bighammer172 i would love a game about charles tbh
They will go to the events of blackwater the robber scene probably and how the whole gang got formed
I feel rdr2's story was really cinematic at times but rdr1 kinda felt realer in a sense with the dialogue and the tone. Also john is 10 times a better character than he is in the epilogue of rdr2, feels real pissed off as he should be! Who wouldn't in his situation
John was quite young in epilogue though
@@oceancactusrequiem6232 3 years before RDR1? Wasn’t that much younger lol
@@nostalgiaoverload9323 4 years not 3
His family was not kidnapped by that time, and was almost half a decade before RDR1
@@nostalgiaoverload9323 fair point but his family was also held hostage during rdr1 it makes sense for him to be serious.
"and it makes me violently angry" John knows and means that for an absolute fact and you can hear it in his voice
Rob's performance in rdr1 is fantastic. He perfectly delievers every line.
D egenerate
Yeah that line always stuck with me. John's not messing around.
Red dead Redemption is the most Faithfully accurate stereotypical Western video game ever and it took place in 1911 lol.
Wtf
This sounds like an insult
*RDR2 in the corner*
Funny to think this took place just a year before the Titanic sank
@@coltforceplayz5285 It's not... He's just saying its crazy to think about how this game takes place after the wild west era died but it's the best cowboy game that's ever been released
"When a man with a sing sing voice tells me to f*** off, it always concerns me, boyo" That line always makes me lose it. XD
One of the greatest lines ever
Greatest line ever!!!!
2:13
Considering how RDR2 had the primarily Irish accented O’Driscolls as a major antagonist, yeah, Marston probably reflexively gets his gun hand ready when he hears someone call him “boyo”
@@Frost5al Good point.
i expected the full game tbh 😁
Other than getting pathetically shot by bill
@@clawzx1195 Bill is dumb, but a good shot
@@welon17 actually come to think of it, it was one of his men that shot him
@@clawzx1195 oh yea, you're right, it was a one of his guys
also John was outnumbered...similar to the ending...oh sh** how come I didnt think about this?
7:45
Me years ago: “Really, over a hat?”
After Rdr2: “Get your *Hat* back.”
Rip Arthur
@@UN_Banished He meant John's hat
@@chief5604 that was Arthur's Hat on 2
@@blazeworkshopg-unit8250 John's hat ia also in 2
@@blazeworkshopg-unit8250 That’s not Arthur’s hat, it’s John’s own hat
7:48 He was about to shoot him in the head but didn't wanna ruin his hat 😂
The way he picks it clean after bending the man over via bullet to the gut is pure badassery.
I've had that hat since 1899, you think im gonna let some vaquaro take it? Of course not!
@@Redemption1911 actually that's John's hat in 1907 and no John's hat isn't Arthur's hat
@@Redemption1911He hasn’t had that hat since 1899
@user-hx6gs9rq7u yes he did he even had it in the last mission
2:19 John dropping F bombs
The f bombs are way more intense since "fuck" is rare in this game. (Compared to gta games anyway.)
@@sammayo473 Fr
It's really cool to come back to RDR1 and realize how John has matured. Even Arthur never seemed this calm and composed before. Probably would've sucker punched the drunk Mexicans the moment they opened their mouths
Arthur would probably sadisticly murder them tbh
Rdr1 John Marston is the biggest badass in the series.
@@thecapedcrusader6710 compared to Arthur John is not like Arthur he’s a man trying to be an outlaw but with hidden feelings while John is a man trying to live a normal life but is an outlaw by nature he’s a violent man a nonsense type of a guy he’s more of a hardened man and colder than Arthur in terms of his character that’s what makes him more of an outlaw Arthur is funny but John man his sarcasm is beyond the roof of rdr2 with his witty
@@tonydaza8504 Learn to use punctuation.
@@edmondvalmont1546 learn not to give a shit about writing sentences in the internet it may give the impression I’m a retard but who really cares to point that out in a response that has no purpose relating to my previous comment other than corrections so really that’s all
I love RDR 2, but RDR 1 will always have a bigger place in my heart.
there is something about John Marston that clinched to me, his voice, his tough man attitude are all pretty fitting to the tone of the series.
not to mention the DLC was marvelous.
Goddamn I need to play that game again
Red dead 1 is so fucking good, definitely one of the best open world games of all time. If they remastered it I would play it to death
Hell yea its john all day for me but I look at rdr2 as more of johns backstory then Arthur’s story but I like Arthur too but u can’t beat the original main character
Gotta agree. From every technological standpoint rdr2 is vastly superior but you can't replace the spaghetti western feel of the first
@@patricbateman7457 Yeah it feels more gritty and the dialogue isn’t as “movie” like or “novela” like y know? It feels more mellow and grounded
It’s awesome how John tries to be calm in the beginning of some situations, but gets violent when he gets pushed way too far.
my man was bipolar
@@bastilashan2627nah
@@bastilashan2627not rlly lol he just knows when to act badass and calm
“Who the hell are you?!”
“Gimme that! I’m your old friend, amnesia.” *pistol whip*
Still remember getting back from school and obsessively playing this game on Xbox 360 mum bought me for my 15th birthday 😂 those were the days!
Still playing till today. On xbox one x though so its 4K 😄
yes xD those were my last days at parents house. so carefree🤠
I wish I could somehow play this on pc.. just gotta wait and have the patience of a Saint till it comes.
@@joycemerlynjm i think it is on pc, since like, a long while.
I think
@@fabanano6158 nah not rdr1, just rdr2
15:12 this moment is literal savagery and I love it!
The way the Pinkertons use his family as bait for their dirty work can’t blame John Marston for that not to mention what happens later.
Aren’t they the CIA not the Pinkertons
@@coltforceplayz5285 The CIA wasn’t founded until 1947 So at that time 1911 the highest authority in the United States I believe was the Pinkerton’s.
I think the Pinkertons are something different I think they’re government official AGENTS
The Pinkertons are a detective agency.
John was a polite man but he had a power to his words and he always was ready to draw his gun if needed. A true badass
Now, this hurts. Cause, without the 2nd game, and spending all that time with John, Arthur, Bill, Javier and Dutch, the 1st game didn't hurt so bad. But, seeing John be outright murdered.. That brings me to tears
ok
N facts his death was wild ash
Okay, i was never sad when he or Arthur died, mostly because John deserved to die and Arthur well i already knew he was going to die after leaving the doctors office so why would i be sad, also Arthur managed to save John and the rest of the gang from destruction too so he died having completed his mission.
@@thirdhandlv4231 john didnt deserve to die😭
@@panthera1529 Just because he is likeable doesn't mean he is a good guy, anyone besides his family was just cattle in his view, he is a low honor character trying to be good.
8:50 "there must be a name for this" lol didn't get that one when I played 😂
Le Mexican standoff
@@joegarrison5911 I think you mean an "impasse" lol
@@Ezue191 please tell me you're not being serious
@@joegarrison5911 ofc he’s not
Meximpasse Standoff
The first marshal Leigh Johnson cutscene has always Been My favourite cutscene in rdr. It has so much character
I always liked it too. Especially when Marston claims he's "here to capture or kill Bill Williamson" and the Marshall just sort of laughs and says "ok".
The marshall is an experienced, hard man, and while Marston may be a total badass, the marshall could teach him a thing or two about how to deal with lowlife scumbags on a daily basis. I like how he is completely cool when Marston is holding a gun to Jonah, and how jonah fully respects the Marshall, despite thinking Marston is a Williamson gang-member.
Just so much character-information we get to gleam from a few minutes of interaction. The RDR dialogue writers were excellent at their job.
pure Western atmosphere, it could be a scene in an old Sergio Leone movie
the fact john tells his family "keep riding and dont look back" just as arthur told him to " when the time comes, YOU GO...... and dont look back" IMMA CRY ;(
People always talking about Arthur inspiring everyone in the series but in reality John was the face of red dead and what started everything for the series if it wasn’t for John most of these characters wouldn’t of been as badass johns story was what the game was about mainly
@@heywoah468 i don't think the comment was debating that john is the face of red dead or trying start a competition between the two characters but instead just to saying it's sad john ends up saying the same words as arthur before his sacrifice.
@@heywoah468 Get off his dick bruh he wasnt trying to compare anybody
@@bookiwohooIt’s more like Arthur said the same words as John since it’s rockstar making a nod to this game. John is the original badass.
@@HereticHeroand that's what the comment ment, that's foreshadowing of what arthur would say later in the game and thus the link
Can you imagine having John's voice? I'll bet EVERYTHING his voice actor says sounds like badassery. *"I'll have an iced mocha decaf latte with a shot of espresso and vegan caramel shavings."*
With a pink straw
bruh you know most voice actors change their voice to fit the character they are playing right
@@austintruly True, but Rob Wiethoff, actually sounds like that, look up interviews with him.
@@austintruly Only Rob's voice is natural though, that's how he speaks.
@@austintruly sometimes. but not in this case. john's voice actor actually has johns voice
18:42 That tension when you walk out those doors for the first time is insane and I wish I could reexperience it
One of the most investing and climatic parts of any game I've played
Always liked Javier, even in RDR1. I know many people dislike the Guarma chapter and felt it was a bit disjointed from the rest of the story. However, from a narrative standpoint, it's the pivot that ties the whole story together. It's understated how much it impacted the dynamic of for the rest of the story. It's where Arthur truly begins to lose Faith in Dutch and where he first begins to show bouts of illness. It's also where I think Javier's loyalty to Dutch (and even Bill's to a lesser degree) are cemented. Nothing was the same afterwards.
Dutch had done right by Javier on Guarma (coming back for him, and ensuring his rescue), and because of that Javier was in his debt. Javier was smart. And like Arthur, he was probably aware to some extent that Dutch was losing it towards the end of the gang's run. However, he couldn't bring himself to turn against Dutch, not so soon.
I like to think that had he not been captured on Guarma, Javier would have sided with Arthur & John when the gang broke up. I felt like that of everyone who sided with Dutch in the end, Javier was the only person who would have done differently at the end if just 1 or 2 things in the story had gone differently in the middle.
THIIIIIIS
I think people didn’t like Chapter 5 because it was way too short, but a lot of that chapter had cut content. Javier also doesn’t aim his gun at Arthur & John at the end of Chapter 6, which was a nice detail.
@@rascallygoose4926 Good find. That was actually something I missed in my playthrough, it just adds to everything I was saying above. Rockstar is oh so subtle sometimes.
Seriously, what an amazing game. Both RDR1 & 2 are on my list of things that I wish I could go back and experience for the first time again.
@DMRS: Servus Christi I mean, by that logic, lots of people were poorly written in comparison to their counterparts in RDR1. Writing prequels is harder than writing sequels, and for the most part I think Rockstar handled the writing of RDR2 very well.
You have to remember also that something like 10 years passes between when Javier sides with Dutch and when John runs into him in RDR1. 10 years. People can change a lot in 10 years. John did.
@@benakinjo Yeah the subtlety of Rockstar is amazing at times, they think of everything possible detail
John's character development from the prequel, to the OG game is stunning.
Except in this game John talks about himself like he used to be some ruthless badass outlaw but in reality he’s just an idiot who needs to be rescued all the time
he got downgraded
@@user-hx6gs9rq7uWhat lol. In RDR2 John is a damn badass everytime he's on screen, in my first playthrough my favorite missions are the ones that involve John, he was a drunken idiot but he was 12 years younger or something
Bro, he took out Micah's ENTIRE gang all by himself. If that ain't "badass" then I don't know what is.
I totally forgot about all the duels in RD1, felt like that was missing I'm RD2
Hi RD2
I mean they're there. Just not as frequent. 4 gunslinger fights, Micah, and basically anyone you piss off while slowly pulling the aim button/trigger
There should’ve been duels in rdr2
@@blackknight5465 lol
@@failure4452 there are noob
Title: Everytime John Marston was badass in RDR1
*Shows the entire play through*
*OLD SPORT*
@@timfuller1533 Well hello there, OLD SPORT
@Youssef hatem Writing depends on person. I like RDR1 writing more than RDR2.
@Youssef hatem I personally do not like writing of epilogue John and his epilogue look(Looks like Arthur with jetblack hair color), But I do however like John more than Arthur, again this is an opinion.
John: "I'd hate to spoil a beautiful afternoon."
Me: Wait but it's... There is no... What...?
John is confused, give him some time
@@TheRealGnomeChompski Nah, he knows what he's doing. He's about to buy a safe house then sleep till afternoon.
I mean technically the only time that isn't afternoon is noon itself
@@spreadwuvokay you've got a point
John in Rdr1 is my favourite protagonist ever
Why? I felt that he had little to no depth or development.
Jack gets no love as a playable character and I don't know why
@@timfuller1533 i enjoyed playing as him, i did every stranger mission as Jack, the only one i played as John was ”I Know You”
@@ufoexpert1223 because he's a badass thats why. He's witty and stern takes no bullshit. Not everything needs a shit ton of development
@@ufoexpert1223 wym? He has a lot of development from the second game to the first game and he already had a lot of depth in the first game due to his past.
Every time johns a badass:
*The entire game*
i like how ross mentions an electric chair, which arthur helped the guy make in rdr2
Didn’t the electric chair kill the inventor though? How would they commercialize a failed invention that people didn’t like?
Can'gt you do that as John also?
@@chief5604 yeah but i forget you do some as john since i do most of them as arthur, besides the ones that take place in new austin or blackwater or whatever
I've been a fan of Halo since the very beginning which is almost 20 years now and have always loved the Chief. But I'd be outright lying if I said that John Marston and Arthur Morgan aren't two of the greatest protagonists ever created in not just the video games medium, but entertainment as a whole, and thats including film and tv. Their journeys have been nothing short of phenomenal and each and every time I play ether one of these amazing games, I'm always discovering something new. Rockstar really did outdo themselves with these masterpieces.
Cole macgrath was good too
Arthur: Good person deep down but is trying to be a grizzled outlaw.
John: Trying to be a good person but is a grizzled outlaw underneath it all and *the world is trying his patience 24/7.*
I think this is why I prefer John. I relate more to desperately holding back rage towards people you absolutely cannot stand.
You can't be as badass as John Marston
@@smoker5989 that’s true. But people can relate to how he feels about the world.
"And it makes me violently angry." one of my favourites
He's a true badass for sure. Whoever wrote this character, I tip my proverbial hat to you, friend.
10:33 “then you and Dutch went crazy” almost sounds like the original plot was going to be javiar in 2nd of command besides Dutch in RD2 originally. Because What we got in RDR2 was a javiar who wouldn’t even point his gun at Arthur or John in the standoff on Arthur’s last mission.
No
Here’s what I think the story was meant to be like:
John was Dutch’s second in command while Bill and Javier were enforcers. However, once John and Dutch began falling out, Javier steps in after John gets demoted. Dutch starts losing his sanity and it leaves a bad effect on Javier. Dutch and Javier start killing people without giving their decisions much thought and it eventually leads to Bill falling apart as well. The gang begins to suspect John is a traitor since he no longer believes in Dutch’s vision, so they leave him to die in a failed ferry robbery in 1906. The gang would split off when the robbery goes sour, Dutch disappears in a fire, and Javier and Bill go their separate ways, and John, Uncle, and his family leave the gang.
Two years later, John earns enough money working in a brothel with Uncle and Abigail to buy a farm at Beecher’s Hope, he hires Uncle as a ranch hand, and Jack as well as his soon to be deceased sister move in.
Well Javier was with Dutch and Micah when they “went back” for John so it’s not entirely inaccurate. Javier did leave John behind along with Dutch. I think the main reason he didn’t point his gun was because he still respected Arthur but he hated John by Ch.6 and suspected him of being a traitor same as Bill
I think Javier really loved Arthur, but was indifferent toward John. But I agree that line doesn’t make sense after playing the second game. Javier and Bill didn’t really do anything crazy other than side with Dutch when the gang broke up. Micah was Dutch’s downfall. Of course Micah wasn’t even thought of in the first game. When you have a prequel there’s always going to be little things that don’t add up. Just one of those things you have to live with.
Caviar?
2:17 that “sing-song voice” line cracks me up to this day. That was a really good goddamn burn
RDRs dialogue is just better than the prequel I think. Something about it conveys a greater cinematic experience, the pauses, the word choice, the suspense keeps you interested in these cutscenes.
They could’ve done better if they had balls to do it but I think it was because for PC culture which is cancer
@@tonydaza8504 PC culture meake Arthur Marston look like John Marston
Absolutely true
“When a man in a singsong voice tells me to fuck off it always concerns me Boyo!”
Marston you savage
John Marston in RDR is more badass than the entire gang in RDR2
4:15 literally the best
Honestly that pistol whip was so satisfying
@@WendiGonerLH oh yea! It’s great
Gimme that!
@@wajajan697 "I'm your old friend, amnesia."
@@sammayo473 and I've come to tell you that if you ever pretend to forget my name and your debt to me again I'll make sure you reach Heaven before these two ladies, now get down there!
Fantastic voice acting by Abigail at the end when she tells John “I love you too”. I really hope they make a live movie of this masterpiece. It’s only inevitable in my opinion somebody will bring it up with Rockstar if they haven’t already.
Credit goes to Sophia Mary Marzocchi as the voice actor for Abigail Marston.
I love Arthur Morgan, I do, cried at the end of rdr2, but damn, John is just so charismatic
2:40 Those facial expression though! have you seen a more realistic one in recent games? I swear, the facial expressions in this game was way ahead of its time...
Witcher 3
@@herbseinburg449 witcher 3 facial expressions are not more realistic though. Rdr1 cutscenes are excellent because of the mocap technology they used. The characters even have some of the tiniest quirks and movements that a real person would have
@@Pedro_Le_Chef idk man they look really good in the Witcher
@@herbseinburg449 I know man. It's just that they look better in rdr
@@Pedro_Le_Chef i think maybe you’re right
All the people who have only played RDR2 have zero friggin' idea of how amazing John is as a character. RDR2 alone does him no justice at all. I adore Arthur but to me, John will always be the best.
He was a young man in 2. What do you expect
@@fullsendabeerforme2988He was 26 and had been running with some of the most wanted outlaws for 15 years. Having him be some idiot who needs to be rescued all the time was not necessary
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u I know men personally who work in dangerous careers who are dumb as rocks. It doesn't matter how long you have been in a career. Doesn't make you smart at it. John was dumb then. That's the lore. Get over it. It's realistic, too.
@@fullsendabeerforme2988Except that’s not how John talks about his past self in the first game. He talks about himself as if he use to be some ruthless killer who was worse then his 1911 self, but in the second game we see none of that
“Everytime John Marston was a badass”: (uploads entirety of rdr1’s main story)
I love how mellow and mature John is compared to Red Dead 2
Shows progression
@@cuyxjrplays Shows how they didn't know how to faithfully portray him in RDR2.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef it’s called GROWTH
@@adhiatmajamy4617 it's called: they downgraded john so Arthur could shine as a main character
See John was so badass they really dialed him down in the second game I know it was mainly Arthur's story but it always seemed like John was an after thought
It’s cause John was young, dumb and erratic in 2.
“I’m your old friend amnesia” *SMACK* 🤣🤣 absolute perfection
If I ever had to face John, I'd probably just cry. He is scary when he is angry.
Just do what he asks and don't try he's patience
@@Josolos True.
When Ross tells John to kill Dutch for him, you can tell the betrayal was coming
John will always be my favourite, I love his witty but serious tone, gosh I love his character, RIP.
“The winner will take what he wants, the other will be in no position to argue” that was cold af
John's death was worse than Arthur's bc u knew that Arthur was dying. In the first game u went thru all that shit to get shot down out of nowhere shit was heartbreaking 😭💯
“Don’t look back” -John/Arthur
If ya know, u know
8:05 we can confirm that John wasn’t cheating.
Yes wasnt wearing the right outfit
Obviously lmao he was just being salty
@@Christian-97 why tho? The game just started and they don't even know each other
You can see under the table that Ricketts was
@@firesaint4569 when?
When you play the second one , John is more mellowed out, it’s just cool to come back to the first one and realize why John is such a badass… why he is so pissed off and how far he has come.
Confronting Javier after the second game came out never left me, especially since in RDR2 he didn't aim at John and Arthur.
In RDR2, javier more or less seemed like a reasonably good guy, as much as a murdering, looting, thieving bandit can be good. In rdr1, he always just seemed like a skeeving little rat. Feels a bit odd. I wonder what exactly was the "turn" for his personality.
Eh I still set him I fire
@@RedFloyd469 I'm gonna assume at some point he realized Dutch is as crazy as Arthur and John accused him to be and he didn't have a home to go to so he probably start doing really shitty jobs just to survive.
And when the revolution started he sided with the government to get his bounty absolved in Mexico
@@RedFloyd469 its probably because they didnt actually have a story planned for RDR2 and had to come up with tit after RDR..
but personally i like to think that javier simply shows his true colours after the gang/family falls apart in RDR2
@@RedFloyd469 the reason they made Javier seem like a good guy in rdr 2 is because of the amount of wokeness they had to pad the game with.
17:28 Just like Arthur's "Now forgive me if I slip and stab you in the face"
RDR2 John was like a teenager who was struggling to find his way. RDR1 John was a very mature and responsible man
Better then RDR 2 by a mile, this game actually felt like I was playing a western. It was goofy and crazy but also serious and heartbreaking. Rdr2 didn’t have that special variety and anyone who’s played rdr 1 ALOT knows rdr2 was missing the feeling/heart of Rdr 1. Despite how technically flawless rdr2 is, I always felt like it missed the mark. Although I know this is not a feeling held by many
That’s what I loved about RDR1. It had the exterior of a romantic western, but deep at its core, it was very much the opposite.
John isn’t just some western archetypal protagonist, he’s got skeletons in his closet. And his redemption was much less on the nose and subtle. In the beginning of the game, he very much clings to the ideals of his former mentor Dutch and even attempts to justify his actions by claiming his gang were noble outlaws with a good cause. And although that’s partly true, we learn later in the game, from John’s conversation with Javier, that their code turned out to be an excuse for them to rob and kill.
"You know that life we lived is over. And when we was livin' it-it didn’t mean nothin' anyways. It was just an excuse and we all knew."
Even John’s politics change after his time in Mexico. He starts out the game with the belief that government and laws shouldn’t be enforced within America, believing that man should be free. However, after seeing firsthand the anarchy, hypocrisy, bloodshed, and violence incited by both Allende and Reyes, John realizes just how much laws and government are needed. He sees the parallels between Reyes and Dutch. Two great men that turned out to be nothing but frauds.
The story doesn’t offer any clear moral stance and instead shows the player that no one is perfect. Everyone is corrupt in their own ways and are prone to act in their own self interests. It’s one of the most unromantic and brutally honest depictions I’ve seen of the American west since The Wild Bunch. And yet, it still maintains that goofy and satirical atmosphere that you talked about.
RDR2 definitely dropped the ball when it came to this. Rather than continuing the themes the first game set up with its blurred and muddled sense of morality, it decided to go the Hollywood route and tell a much more safe and clear cut redemption story with the typical message of revenge being bad. It’s so safe and uninspired that I can’t believe it was written by the same people.
Rdr2 stans will get angry just because rdr2 have better story and graphics and say "Rdr1 is trash, Rdr2 is the best!" This is why I hate rdr2, arthur, 1899 jack, arabian horse and valentine town stans
@@jinxthatsme2317 Thank you bro, you hit the nail right on the head. I wouldn’t say RDR2’s story is “bad” by any means, but it was definitely more commercialized in comparison to RDR1’s more grounded and real approach.
I feel like rdr1 captures a story of a badass gunslinger who ends up dying an honorable western death, quick drawing against the many of the army, saving his family. Then the redemption ark of Jack coming back to kill Edgar Ross.
Rdr2 captures more of Dutch’s gang and the story of an outlaw and a bandit who midway through the story catches a disease, he develops different traits from being a egotistical cowboy to feeling regret, guilt, and then eventually decides that in his last few acts he has left he’s going to dedicate it to helping John get his family out.
Then of course with John coming back to kill Micah for his redemption ark.
Both games connect very neatly,
both of these characters are legendary, and both died in great acts of love which I think is the beauty of these two games.
Agreed. I love RDR 2 don't get me wrong, it has a great world, story and is a marvel in every technical aspect. The story however is very cut and dry with the developments of Arthur, John, Dutch and to a certain extent Javier being the story's saving grace. It lacked the depth, subtleness and realism of RDR 1, it didn't give you the same feeling of dread and brutality that 1 had.
"let's hope it doesn't go off by mistake" was easily the funniest line in the entire game for me.
They way John Marston talks man really badass and like a gentleman when he talks to a lady
The scene were he kills the 2 Mexicans and shoots the 3rd to catch his hat.... It's so beautiful... My god
I loved it
Yeah... good moments.
Little bit rust, but not bad.
"No, I'm not okay. Do I look like I'm okay?"
"You look pretty good for a CORPSE"
John Marston is one of the greatest video game protagonists of all time
I remember being just blown away by the voice acting in this game.
I expected every cutscene of him, just don’t add “getting shot in the gut by Bill and passing out” scene. And I hope this gets a remaster with the RDR2 engine, with all of the little details Rockstar did and gets a little remaster of some dialogues where John sometimes mentions Arthur.
Yeah
We don't need any of the original dialogue changed or retconned in any way. It was perfect as is and the integrity of the original game should be honored.
@@Dagger_323 agreed
Rdr and rdr2 are on the same engine
@@kurauphantommemory7192 yes but rdr2 uses an updated more advanced version of the engine used in rdr. Game engines go through upgrades over time, so developers always use the latest engine version for their latest games.
I remember playing as Jack and using the pistol that Ross gave John during the final duel. Let's just say it didn't "go off by mistake".
Idk if it's the writing alone but Rob Wiethoff acted so much better in this game
Rdr1 is a better game overall compared to rdr2.
@@vq6142 just stop bro
@@vq6142 RDR1's graphics are superior
@@OutlawedPoet graphics? No way. Not in any imaginable aspect. But rdr1 has better ragdolls for humans and better gunplay
@@Pedro_Le_Chef yes, graphics.
everytime john marston was a badass in rdr1: full game
The dialogue is absolutely amazing
You missed one of the best ones man
Bill: "I fucked Abigail John"
John: "Well now i'm fucking with you Bill!"
Irish: "We're meeting a fella by the name of shaky"
John: "And he has got the ammunition we need ?"
Irish: "Jesus stop fretting will you? I knows about guns front back and sideways"
John: "You're gonna be real familiar with mine if things keep on this way"
Jonah: "...Bill Williamson folded you like an empty purse last time if i remember correctly"
Sherrif Leigh: "simmer down Jonah!"
John: "Listen to your boss Jonah! There's a good boy. Otherwise, I'll put a hole in your hillibilly head and watch your tiny brain drain out"
Badass John lines during Gameplay :
"I'm gonna give you a chance to kill me, cause i'm just that nice"
"I'm thinking one of us has gotta die pal"
"Maybe you'll get one of them pothstumous medals!"
"You best shoot me now or this is over!"
"Prepare to die amigo!"
"Lets see what your insides look like!"
"Run away and maybe i wont kill you!"
"Why dont you bring some friends, make this a fair fight"
"Aint not one of you will walk outa here"
"This is all you fools last day on earth!"
"Things aint looking bueno!"
"This would be a fair fight if you could shoot straight !"
He has so many badass lines during Gameplay. someone should compile them all in a video
4:08 when I first saw this back when I first played through this game I was dying of laughter
I like how he calls everyone from a different country from that name like germany and irish
Well, Irish does that too. He calls his friends welsh and french. He isn't even sure the latter IS french.
Also, keep in mind that dutch is....well...called dutch. His last name "VanDerLinde" is also a very dutch name.
I just think folks back then weren't very clever with coming up with nicknames, and genuinely thought just calling a person by their ethnicity or ancestors' nationality was enough. It's also somewhat derogatory. Like you don't care about this person's identity one bit and just call them by their most obvious characteristic, their language or heritage.
I experienced RDR 1 after RDR 2.
John Marston is one of, if not the best heroes in modern gaming. Truly Rockstar's best character to this day.
Yanno if you captured Javier you get extra dialogue where Javier basically shows he doesn’t give af about John
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Weird to think Arthur helped invent that
Javier left John to die. Javier and Dutch left John die Arthur never save John life. Even Javier says that him and Dutch left him to die and though he was dead. Bill Williamston say that Dutch wanted John to die because John knew the truth. They fuck up the storylines because they wanted Arthur to feel important and he not important because John is the centerpiece of Red Dead Redemption
@@terminator23destroyer15 I was talking about the electric chair
@@terminator23destroyer15 this makes no sense
@@merchantmocha4665 it makes a lot of sense they created a new character in Arthur Morgan and to put him over with Players they gave him the storyline that makes him “save”the main character of the entire franchise which makes zero fucking sense as to why they would add a new character in the first place,in this game(RDR1) You can kinda Hint that John was Dutch’s right hand when bill says No more Dutch and No more You.As to why they changed it makes zero sense to me.
@@laydenkingery8268 people hating on Arthur.... youre Just trying to be special
This game is just legendary. A masterpiece.
Chefs kiss for this game
John is even more badass after playing 2 and seeing how much he grew. Now he seems wiser with experience than anything else, and he had a great mentor that made him such a badass.
“Every time John Marston was badass” So a full RDR1 Play through then?
I really feel like this version of John marston is the best outlaw. Although he’s a close second compared to Arthur, he could easily handle anyone else from the gang. The maturity. The anger. The experience in this game is a lot different then how we see him in RDR2
I like how John from the first game is completely different from what was presented in the second, he is stronger, much more intelligent, he acts less on emotion and more on reason, he is never shaken during the entire game and not even before being shot, he really stand unshaken
In rdr 2 he's younger and naive. In rdr 1, by this point he's already annoyed and fed up about having to do outlaw shit again. He's pretty much worn out by rdr 1, therefore is pissed of 95% of the tine
By 1911 he is the Strongest
A lot of people have that complain about RDR2s John, but they have to take in mind, he was really trying to leave the past after marrying Abigail, then the feds got him and his family, forcing him to kill his old gang (family) when he clearly didn't wanted to and also had his wife and son kidnapped. We play as a John Marston that hates what he's doing but its good at it, hes tired of everyone and uses them like tools to get his family back, thats why hes much colder and emotionless than in RDR2
"When a man with a sing-song voice tells me to fuck off, it always concerns me 'boyo'."
So fucking good, love John Marston.
just put a whole playthrough of the game and thats his badass moment
including YOu EaT BaBy
@@sigmacall4148 ultimate bad ass moment
@@sigmacall4148 that's undead
John is so badass he makes a perfect 20 minute long video
This game will be my all time favourite. It pissed me off how they "downgraded" him in rdr2. Arthur was an awesome character in rdr2 and its a masterpiece of a game but nothing can beat John Marston in Rdr1. Pure badass
@Lamar Davis sounds plausible, but I think most rdr1 players were pissed, they expected john to be a badass in rdr2 but if I see it your way, its actually cool ngl
Yeah in the rdr2 epilogue he was so botched. Arthur isn't as badass as John is in rdr1. But they both have equally good qualities.
@Lamar Davis yeah you're right they're both badass
@Lamar Davis no one who plays gow or doom questions if Arthur is more badass than the characters in those games, if that was the case then his character alone would’ve won GOTY. Rdr1 got GOTY, so John is a match for Arthur.
@Lamar Davis fair enough
He was a badass the whole game
Even his final stand was badass, it had to take a whole army to take him down
I've never played RDR1 before just RDR2 so I thought John was useless but after watching this vid I start to understand why people like him more than Arthur, man is badass as hell even more than Arthur
If you enjoyed red dead 2 you will undoubtedly enjoy the first red dead. Amazing gamr
Idk why John was such a dumbass in the epilogue
@@herbseinburg449 half his brain got eaten by wolves
@@lancevelarde7022 arthur died to a cough
This game is so nostalgic I remember me and my older brother staying up playing when I was younger now he 22 and I’m 18 I never get to see him but the memories r always there
1:02 you're welcome
😂😂😂 one of them williamsonBOOOYYSSSS
Ah, the iconic hocking fit
WEEYUMSON BOYZ
If only they hadn’t nerfed my John in rdr2…
Nerfed? Bro you understand that game takes place 12 years & 4 years before RDR1 right?
"There must be a name for this"
Mexican standoff my guy.