I don’t get all the hate Lyra is getting for winning the title. I love Dakota and believe she will have her time but objectively speaking Lyra was the correct choice when the other is proven to be injury prone and inconsistent. Yeah she’s good in the ring and on the mic but Lyra is also good in the ring and can actually manage to stay healthy.
Exactly this, I was talking to my work friend and couldn't find a way to explain Lyra. The crowd wanted Dakota as well, a ball was dropped on this. @aurora________
well obviously the higher ups don’t agree with yall or otherwise she’d still be down in NXT working on those skills she supposedly lacks…is she ready for the big strap? no not by a longshot but that doesn’t mean she’s bad and if I had to choose between the 2 i’m gonna choose the person who’s not gonna have to vacate the belt in 2 months when they inevitably blow out their knee again
Strongly disagree. The women’s IC title tournament was far better than the US title tournament. The matches were actually good whereas the US title tournament matches were all fairly forgettable. Chelsea is a great character but I am not looking forward to any of her defences.
I agree. Kai actually got to shine and had a great match with Stark! I think some of the triple threats were ok, but everything else beyond that was good
@@chrisgomes609 I completely understand your point but they’re gonna throw shots at each other some way some how. It’s “competition” regardless they’re gonna do it unfortunately
@@jaimevillegas2418 but that's subjective. I get nothing from watching Ospreay. You can also make the argument that Gunther is the best in-ring worker today.
This felt like a good return to form, really enjoyed this episode of Raw. Excited to see what shenanigans JBL gets up to next week! It should always be Penta! Edit: House of Torture will be always be the worst stable, I’ve only seen one match with them and the interference was laughably bad. Judgment Day will never be that low for me Edit 2: apparently there were flights the talent had to make last night, couple that along with them having two dark matches afterwards and that why they had to cut time from the show
That’s very valid actually. People would probably make the argument gable has as well but honestly his REAL run just got started. Finn I believe fits the narrative of “the next Dolph ziggler”
@@prodiigyseverydaygaming4822 Gable is closer to Shelton, Kofi, Morrison and more who never really were pushed as a main event guy despite being incredible in the ring for their time. hopefully we get a good gable title run soon
6:05 - great point. Whether you favour one company over the other, or are fond of both, wrestlers are people, and if you feel unfulfilled or undervalued in your current company, it’s great to be able to have an alternative.
I have no problem with the welcome to the big time line. Like it or not WWE is the standard for wrestling in America and it’s what a lot of wrestlers aspire to be apart of. Penta was getting 1/5th of this presentation in AEW. As an AEW fan as well they NEED to up their production
My favourite part of the Judgement Day this week was seeing the 2K25 cpu match in the background between Priest and Dom end as a 1 Star match during the segment.
If you guys want to base off rumors based on what you heard then hear out Konann, where he stated Tony was the problem and never wanted to give him talent for his shows like he is doing for CMLL. So no the Lucha Bros couldn’t do anything else in Aew cause the booking sucks there is no direction or overall bigger picture like there is in wwe that’s why Stephanie Vaquer went to wwe she had a whole layout for her push. 🤷🏽♂️
Konann is a known liar, why would they listen to that bum? And that no direction crap is just a lie spoken from someone who clearly isn't watching the product.
Like just because they don’t have a hard out on television doesn’t mean they can just have their weekly live show go however long they want. The audience in attendance still need to go home at a decent time, something you might overlook is these shows go until 11pm on a Monday night
They better be! I love the idea of Seth slowly planting the seeds in Sami's mind. So when the offer to join the faction arrives it would look realistic that he would join them.
I think so too, but I think that they are going to draft CM punk. The way that Drew was talking to Punk, I'm not too sure. I think that the swerve would be Punk, because then, where else would he fit into the picture.
I know what I'm about to say is ludacris but my Lucha Underground fanboy heart was hoping he would've squashed chad and finished the match getting over breaking chad's arm.
Caught up on this episode, Opening promo, Penta match, Lyra vs Dakota and the street fight were all good imo. 4/5. Thing that is missing for me is a top feud for Gunther.
Lmao my brother and I were both there and I swear when he was cutting the Spanish promo we were the only ones who didn’t speak Spanish. Putting that debut in San Jose was very very smart
So, I'd like to think they're still doing Rock v Roman because I really don't think I or anyone else can't wait any longer for this match. Give them Night 1 Main, Tribal Combat, OTC v Final Boss. As for the titles, I'd do Punk v Rollins v Gunther for the WHC to main Night 2, and Drew v Cody for the WWE Title. As for Cena, I think him v Paul could be fun. But I think, one last time, but for the first time one on one at Mania: Cena v Orton. The fact they've never done it one on one at Mania is pretty wild. Cena still has the rest of the year, so I'd have him chase the title for the rest of 2025.
The term “royal rumble” is a proper noun, which means if Penta declared himself from the rumble, you would have heard him say “Royal Rumble” in English
If this was any standard wwe January i would hate jey uso being Gunthers match, but coming off that travis Scott LA Netflix debut whole show I think it would be silly not to give jey this match at Saturday nights main event, the amount of new people that were probably wowed watching jey for the first time, it gives them something more from jey. But I do hope after this we can move on to better opponents for Gunther
I have high hopes for Penta. The fact they gave Chad & Penta a good chunk of time and the match wasn't just "look at our new toy squash a guy" is a good first step. Now I just hope they follow with more good steps, making an incredible run, & avoid face-planting 2 steps in.
Penta is already more over than Andrade has ever been. He got an instant pop as soon as he came out. If his merch starts selling (and it will), he is going to get a proper run, because, money.
I really, really hope this whole messy main card feud ends up with Seth, Drew and KO as the faces and Roman, Cody and Punk end up the heels. Bonus points if the turns happen during a 6 man brawl.
7:50 I think WWE doesn’t want to mention there’s trios titles outside the company(and just doesn’t want to mention AEW in general). They don’t have the track record to be able to book factions in a way that trios titles would work. Not saying AEW’s booking of trios titles is good at all either though 😂
I don't think wwe sees aew as competition they just really love messing with them after all the stuff them and fans have talked so at any point they can they are gonna a be petty and I find it kinda funny
Don’t be too harsh on the beginning of the women’s IC title. The beginning of the men’s IC did even happen. I think Lyra was the right pick. I don’t care if I ever see Rock vs Roman. I love Pitch Meeting. Check it out
For me definitely House Of Torture is the worst of them all, but Learning Tree and Judgement Day are close second. I actually like Death Riders as a group, it's just that the story they've been telling with them for the past couple of months has sucked. Penta's debut was awesome, I hope WWE realises what they have in him and push him to the moon.
American made need to go to smackdown gable deserves and would be great with the us title and the creeds could always be at the top of a tag division as well as ivy could slot in to the women’s us division
It is abysmal the treatment the women’s division. One match on a 3 hour show? Each division deserves an hour and a half of time each. 6 matches a show gives them all at least 15 minutes with a max of 30 ish minutes 3 men matches and 3 women’s matches every show.
As terrible as the judgement day are, as bad as the D riders are and as bad the learning tree is I genuinely think that pure fusion collective is the worst 😂 what does their name even mean? 😂😂😂
these guys really don’t like wwe or just love to hate them 😭 Solo not working out? Women’s IC was an afterthought, Judgement day are the worst faction in wrestling??? Just say you don’t care for the product and love the indies more and move on 😊
Oliver has this tendency to rate WWE shows lower the AEW based on his bias of old WWE content. It feels like he takes cues from Dave Meltzer. I may be done watching these guys...
Hey Oli, hey Luke. My thoughts after last night's episode. Raw is a better show on Netflix. CM Punk is vastly more compelling than Cody. I was surprised Dakota didn't win, but Valkyria is extremely talented and charismatic and is way, way better than Michin. I like Chelsea Green but the Women's IC title is already a lot more prestigious than the Women's U.S. title. Penta was alright, but the guy who really deserves praise and is long over due for promotion is Chad Gable. Peace brothers.
Gee if only we had a guy who thinks he's top guy in aew but sucks more stabing and guy who's chat is more over they he is any in the head with scissors maybe we could have had 600 thousand views to make it a great product so I guy can no sale a finish and a cinderblock and leaping tombstone and steps but one on sale of a finish is to far
Debuting Penta against a workhorse like gable is well and all, and I'm sure Penta will do well, but he is debuting against a lower midcard act. Why wouldn't you debut Penta in a big match against a upper card star? Immediately establish him as a threat to the top tier. WWE has a track record with this. It screams of an attempt to lock him in contract so AAA can't sign him. IDK how AEW paid, but I assume WWE pays more, but is that worth Penta becoming just another Hispanic wrestler forever on the midcard?
WWE style is so slow, everyone praising fable for selling the destroyer when everyone in AEW does that. Penta looked watered down and in slow motion. The in ring difference between WWE and other promotions was on full display.
Call me old school, but we only need 2 woman's titles. WWE doesn't care about the women's tag titles, they barely care about the world and wwe women's titles. you think they will even care about these? 6 champions in a pool of what, 40 women? if that. unify the branded titles and push the tag titles, we don't need women's midcard belts because the whole women's division is at best midcard. no one in wwe cares about it.
I don’t get all the hate Lyra is getting for winning the title. I love Dakota and believe she will have her time but objectively speaking Lyra was the correct choice when the other is proven to be injury prone and inconsistent. Yeah she’s good in the ring and on the mic but Lyra is also good in the ring and can actually manage to stay healthy.
Lyra is justy a fake Becky from temu, without any charisma or promo skills.
Exactly this, I was talking to my work friend and couldn't find a way to explain Lyra. The crowd wanted Dakota as well, a ball was dropped on this. @aurora________
@@aurora________100% agree she’s only getting that push cause she’s Becky’s friend and Irish.
@@ryanvazquez2301And because she's a good wrestler.
well obviously the higher ups don’t agree with yall or otherwise she’d still be down in NXT working on those skills she supposedly lacks…is she ready for the big strap? no not by a longshot but that doesn’t mean she’s bad and if I had to choose between the 2 i’m gonna choose the person who’s not gonna have to vacate the belt in 2 months when they inevitably blow out their knee again
Strongly disagree. The women’s IC title tournament was far better than the US title tournament. The matches were actually good whereas the US title tournament matches were all fairly forgettable. Chelsea is a great character but I am not looking forward to any of her defences.
Chelsea doesn’t really get enough credit for her in ring work. Not to say she’s on the level of the main eventers, but shes good.
Chelsea is gonna have her time to shine in ring now. She is talented
Idk the iyo lyra match was the only memorable match in the tourney
I agree. Kai actually got to shine and had a great match with Stark! I think some of the triple threats were ok, but everything else beyond that was good
Chelsea is crap
I don't have a problem with Cole saying "Welcome to the big time." It's as corny as AEW saying "Where the best wrestle."
@@chrisgomes609 I completely understand your point but they’re gonna throw shots at each other some way some how. It’s “competition” regardless they’re gonna do it unfortunately
AEW has Will Ospreay. It is where the best wrestle bud.
Well wwe selling out everywhere so it is the big time @@jaimevillegas2418
@@jaimevillegas2418 but that's subjective. I get nothing from watching Ospreay. You can also make the argument that Gunther is the best in-ring worker today.
Although WWE is at least true .
They are the big time
Penta v Gunther on the big stage
Baaad take on Lyra vs Dakota. Was a very strong match imo
This felt like a good return to form, really enjoyed this episode of Raw. Excited to see what shenanigans JBL gets up to next week!
It should always be Penta!
Edit: House of Torture will be always be the worst stable, I’ve only seen one match with them and the interference was laughably bad. Judgment Day will never be that low for me
Edit 2: apparently there were flights the talent had to make last night, couple that along with them having two dark matches afterwards and that why they had to cut time from the show
I feel like Finn fits more in the Ziggler spot in the sense he’s getting pushed time from time for a world title even when he’s going to lose
Terrible spot for the Prince fr
Should’ve won this week. Should’ve been world champ again. Should’ve been a top star. Story of balor
That’s very valid actually. People would probably make the argument gable has as well but honestly his REAL run just got started. Finn I believe fits the narrative of “the next Dolph ziggler”
@@prodiigyseverydaygaming4822 Gable is closer to Shelton, Kofi, Morrison and more who never really were pushed as a main event guy despite being incredible in the ring for their time. hopefully we get a good gable title run soon
Nah. Balor isn't jobbing to the debuting guy
Thsnk you guys for the review. Hope everyone is doing good & safe
43:50 poors guys are so sad about Gunther they didn't even mention how good jeys promo was 😢
too busy making complete nonsense claims about him being midcard because they need excuses to complain
It was a lame promo, Gunther destroyed him. I don't know how Gunther is having a worse world title run than IC run but that's Paul's booking for you
6:05 - great point. Whether you favour one company over the other, or are fond of both, wrestlers are people, and if you feel unfulfilled or undervalued in your current company, it’s great to be able to have an alternative.
56:38 super easy, barely an inconvenience. Haha didn't think we'd get a pitch meeting reference
I have no problem with the welcome to the big time line. Like it or not WWE is the standard for wrestling in America and it’s what a lot of wrestlers aspire to be apart of. Penta was getting 1/5th of this presentation in AEW. As an AEW fan as well they NEED to up their production
The true answer as to the worst faction you mentioned in the episode: Pure Fusion Collective!
My favourite part of the Judgement Day this week was seeing the 2K25 cpu match in the background between Priest and Dom end as a 1 Star match during the segment.
Penta debuting in my hometown was electric, San Jose is Penta’s home whenever he’s here 🖤
If you guys want to base off rumors based on what you heard then hear out Konann, where he stated Tony was the problem and never wanted to give him talent for his shows like he is doing for CMLL. So no the Lucha Bros couldn’t do anything else in Aew cause the booking sucks there is no direction or overall bigger picture like there is in wwe that’s why Stephanie Vaquer went to wwe she had a whole layout for her push. 🤷🏽♂️
Konann is a known liar, why would they listen to that bum? And that no direction crap is just a lie spoken from someone who clearly isn't watching the product.
There was a subtle moment there where Bayley looked at the title. I think a feuds coming
Ooh boy I got bad news for you: I'd put Judgement Day in the top 3 factions in wrestling.
Like just because they don’t have a hard out on television doesn’t mean they can just have their weekly live show go however long they want. The audience in attendance still need to go home at a decent time, something you might overlook is these shows go until 11pm on a Monday night
I truly believe Drew, Seth and K.O are building a secret faction
They better be! I love the idea of Seth slowly planting the seeds in Sami's mind. So when the offer to join the faction arrives it would look realistic that he would join them.
I think so too, but I think that they are going to draft CM punk. The way that Drew was talking to Punk, I'm not too sure. I think that the swerve would be Punk, because then, where else would he fit into the picture.
To be fair on the run time certain buildings and local transportation have times to adhere to that may play a factor.
ITS ACTUALLY PENTAAAAA
I know what I'm about to say is ludacris but my Lucha Underground fanboy heart was hoping he would've squashed chad and finished the match getting over breaking chad's arm.
Caught up on this episode, Opening promo, Penta match, Lyra vs Dakota and the street fight were all good imo. 4/5. Thing that is missing for me is a top feud for Gunther.
Lmao my brother and I were both there and I swear when he was cutting the Spanish promo we were the only ones who didn’t speak Spanish. Putting that debut in San Jose was very very smart
Referencing Pitch Meeting is TIGHT!
Probably my favorite part was during the Judgement Day segment anyone notice the WWE2K is paused as Dom’s character is celebrating a 1 star match win?
So, I'd like to think they're still doing Rock v Roman because I really don't think I or anyone else can't wait any longer for this match. Give them Night 1 Main, Tribal Combat, OTC v Final Boss.
As for the titles, I'd do Punk v Rollins v Gunther for the WHC to main Night 2, and Drew v Cody for the WWE Title.
As for Cena, I think him v Paul could be fun. But I think, one last time, but for the first time one on one at Mania: Cena v Orton. The fact they've never done it one on one at Mania is pretty wild. Cena still has the rest of the year, so I'd have him chase the title for the rest of 2025.
Not too bad at all.
The term “royal rumble” is a proper noun, which means if Penta declared himself from the rumble, you would have heard him say “Royal Rumble” in English
I honestly don't think the WWE see AEW as competition, I think they don't refer to them because they don't want to give Tony Khan anything.
If this was any standard wwe January i would hate jey uso being Gunthers match, but coming off that travis Scott LA Netflix debut whole show I think it would be silly not to give jey this match at Saturday nights main event, the amount of new people that were probably wowed watching jey for the first time, it gives them something more from jey. But I do hope after this we can move on to better opponents for Gunther
I have high hopes for Penta. The fact they gave Chad & Penta a good chunk of time and the match wasn't just "look at our new toy squash a guy" is a good first step. Now I just hope they follow with more good steps, making an incredible run, & avoid face-planting 2 steps in.
Penta is already more over than Andrade has ever been. He got an instant pop as soon as he came out. If his merch starts selling (and it will), he is going to get a proper run, because, money.
I really, really hope this whole messy main card feud ends up with Seth, Drew and KO as the faces and Roman, Cody and Punk end up the heels. Bonus points if the turns happen during a 6 man brawl.
TNA would have done Penta vs Io Shirai.
Santos was in lucha underground too
7:50 I think WWE doesn’t want to mention there’s trios titles outside the company(and just doesn’t want to mention AEW in general). They don’t have the track record to be able to book factions in a way that trios titles would work. Not saying AEW’s booking of trios titles is good at all either though 😂
I don't think wwe sees aew as competition they just really love messing with them after all the stuff them and fans have talked so at any point they can they are gonna a be petty and I find it kinda funny
If it was that then they wouldn't run shows in the same places during aew's ppvs
I liked this raw way more than the meh vibe that was reflected on the pod. Maybe a strong 3.75 to 4.
I was waiting for the glove spot 17:59
It's not just that Gunther is having a bad title run, Damien priest had a bad title run before him. That title has meant little since mania
You guys make me enjoy wrestling even more...thank you
They're gonna run back Cena/Batista with Punk. Both go over at same time.
I send word…. “ How the hell did you get one!? Fine!”
Where can I get the Wrestling Talk This is Barely A Inconvenience Shirt
Don’t be too harsh on the beginning of the women’s IC title. The beginning of the men’s IC did even happen. I think Lyra was the right pick. I don’t care if I ever see Rock vs Roman. I love Pitch Meeting. Check it out
For me definitely House Of Torture is the worst of them all, but Learning Tree and Judgement Day are close second. I actually like Death Riders as a group, it's just that the story they've been telling with them for the past couple of months has sucked.
Penta's debut was awesome, I hope WWE realises what they have in him and push him to the moon.
You guys are so negative, especially Luke
Are they? All their criticism was earned and understandable. Being a casual wwe meat rider doesnt mean EVERYTHING on the show is 5 stars content
1:09:00 yooo, SPUMM reference???😮😂
Never thought I’d hear a reference to Mr Sunday Movies at the end there, loved it 😂
You've put 2024 guys
Pitch meeting !!! Barely an inconvenience lol!!
It should always be penta
Finn was on a stretcher for like 7 mins. Cut that part out. My boy finished the match going like ten more mins 😂
American made need to go to smackdown gable deserves and would be great with the us title and the creeds could always be at the top of a tag division as well as ivy could slot in to the women’s us division
I never really liked WWE Ray Mysterio Jr. He's always been better used and more exciting in every other promotion
It is abysmal the treatment the women’s division. One match on a 3 hour show? Each division deserves an hour and a half of time each. 6 matches a show gives them all at least 15 minutes with a max of 30 ish minutes 3 men matches and 3 women’s matches every show.
As terrible as the judgement day are, as bad as the D riders are and as bad the learning tree is I genuinely think that pure fusion collective is the worst 😂 what does their name even mean? 😂😂😂
Where is that jampionship belt?
these guys really don’t like wwe or just love to hate them 😭 Solo not working out? Women’s IC was an afterthought, Judgement day are the worst faction in wrestling??? Just say you don’t care for the product and love the indies more and move on 😊
Zoey Stark didnt lose in the first round lol
Priest no selling a finisher through a table, to just get up and win.
🤦♂️
I won't Jey Uso to win the wwe world title that would be awesome yeet❤
Should of been dakota
First time seeing Penta. Didn’t understand the hype.
Maybe you didn't understand the hype because you hadn't seen Penta before..... hmmmm.....
Both Monday night Raw episodes were so freaking awesome 100/100😊❤
Oliver has this tendency to rate WWE shows lower the AEW based on his bias of old WWE content. It feels like he takes cues from Dave Meltzer. I may be done watching these guys...
ohh screw you. Spiderman 3 is easily the best of the 3 movies. Thats just not a debate.
I think youre both dead wrong on the womens match
Damien Priest is overbooked and i hate his character for that
Hey Oli, hey Luke. My thoughts after last night's episode.
Raw is a better show on Netflix.
CM Punk is vastly more compelling than Cody.
I was surprised Dakota didn't win, but Valkyria is extremely talented and charismatic and is way, way better than Michin. I like Chelsea Green but the Women's IC title is already a lot more prestigious than the Women's U.S. title.
Penta was alright, but the guy who really deserves praise and is long over due for promotion is Chad Gable.
Peace brothers.
Wyatts r the worst, what have they done since killing everyone???
Gee if only we had a guy who thinks he's top guy in aew but sucks more stabing and guy who's chat is more over they he is any in the head with scissors maybe we could have had 600 thousand views to make it a great product so I guy can no sale a finish and a cinderblock and leaping tombstone and steps but one on sale of a finish is to far
Debuting Penta against a workhorse like gable is well and all, and I'm sure Penta will do well, but he is debuting against a lower midcard act. Why wouldn't you debut Penta in a big match against a upper card star? Immediately establish him as a threat to the top tier. WWE has a track record with this. It screams of an attempt to lock him in contract so AAA can't sign him. IDK how AEW paid, but I assume WWE pays more, but is that worth Penta becoming just another Hispanic wrestler forever on the midcard?
I thought the no selling of big moves only happened in AEW 🤷♂️
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 wwe is cooking 🧑🍳
WWE style is so slow, everyone praising fable for selling the destroyer when everyone in AEW does that. Penta looked watered down and in slow motion.
The in ring difference between WWE and other promotions was on full display.
Im hoping Penta brings that style in, because that man is FAST. We get a unique “Penta style” match
@@roniz1 I love the slow thought out matches makes it seem more real
Judgement Day is definitely the worst faction.
Call me old school, but we only need 2 woman's titles. WWE doesn't care about the women's tag titles, they barely care about the world and wwe women's titles. you think they will even care about these? 6 champions in a pool of what, 40 women? if that. unify the branded titles and push the tag titles, we don't need women's midcard belts because the whole women's division is at best midcard. no one in wwe cares about it.
As a compromise- one world title one mid card and one tag?
To be honest that's how they should have the men's titles always.
U suck..😂
Gunther vs penta. Penta is gonna make gunther bleed with a chop