Titan 70 vs SD1250 Which Is Better? Watch Before You Buy
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2023
- Likely the most requested video ever! Which is better between the Titan 70 and Simmons SD1250?
Which should you buy the Titan 70 or the SD1250? Let's break them down!
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Guitar Center/Musician's Friend are both running black friday sales on the 1250 now for $799 - same price as the Titan-70. With this in mind, I went ahead and ordered the 1250. Thanks for the great content.
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Thanks Kieth, this vid was the clincher, for a older dude who's just starting and will playing for myself, for fun 😊 and exercise, the 70 sounds and looks much more easier to learn, gonna drop the dime,your videos have been invaluable ,look forward to seeing more ,your the man 👍😉
Thanks and keep drumming
Thanks Keithron, both models are part of a small list of electronic kits I am looking at and your review/comparison is of tremendous help.
You’re welcome
I really appreciate your videos, especially this one.. This is exactly what I needed to decide which one I wanted. Now I just gotta decide at the store to see if the size matters. Thank you man!
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Thanks for the review!
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very informative. exactly what i needed, thank you
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Thanks this helped so much easy to understand.
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Thank you so much for this review
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thanks for you review bro . thanks a lot
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Great video. Thanks so much.
You’re welcome
Loading my own drum samples makes the SD1250 an automatic winner for me. It's a feature that is almost always overlooked. One thing I've learned in comparing all of these different e sets is that if you choose one set you're sacrificing a feature that another set has. I haven't found a set around the $1000 mark that has everything I want.
Yep
Great review going w/ 70!
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@@KeithronPowell Just bought 70 Thanks for your knowledge ... God bless! 777 Got a new puppy and Acoustic drums are out for a bit!
bro... I went to guitar center decided on the Roland VAD 103...but and I tried this one and bought it... I spent 1800 dollars and bought drum simmons 1250, headphones, simmons 212 speaker, bench, and drumsticks... thans for you video !!
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You are producing good content man. Because of you I just purchased Titan 70. So far good and have 2 observations 1: the base sounds are not audible in normal sound and 2) 2nd crash has cross talk. What’s should I do
Adjust crosstalk in module or on the app… what are you listening on? I have no issues picking up bass
Nice comparison of the 2. I like watching your videos because it keeps me well informed on what Simmons is up to. And over the past few years it seems they are really stepping up their game. In your opinion on module comparison only, would you prefer the crimson 2 or the titan 70??
70 all day! The sounds of the 70 plus expand ability. Then add Bluetooth Audio and Bluetooth MIDI. The 70 is new tech through and through. If you go solely module to module the Alesis has no chance!
Kieth, this was great, you answered all of my questions except one. Will either one of these kits give you that 80's Simmons electric sounds? Thanks!
There are old school kits in there… I’m sure those are the sounds you want.
Thanks for another great video! After having the Roland TD 6, I’m looking for something more like an acoustic kit, so I will go with the SD1250. I’m just apprehensive about buying now, because I’m afraid as soon as I do, they will release the newer version!
😂😂😂 I know the feeling
Thanks for another great video Keith! Have you noticed any difference in sound response between the two. For example, does the Titan 70 have issues with machine gunning where the SD1250 doesn't?
I haven’t noticed it.
Thanks for the review! I’m going with the Titan 70. You did a great job with this video, man! Where do I purchase another kick pedal for double kick capability??
Glad it helped! You can use this link to get your pedal. guitar-center.pxf.io/R5k1MN
Mr. Powell, I first want to say your review videos are invaluable and hilarious! They've been unbelievably helpful for me. One thing I haven't heard many talk about though is the hihat pedal... So, I just bought the Titan 50 (before watching any review videos) and found the pedal to be like... weird? It's like the resistance on it is kind of strong. I like to play with the hihat slightly open and I've found that it's difficult to find and keep that exact sweetspot (this is my first e-drumset though!). Also, the cymbals seem completely oblivious to how hard I hit. I found if I hit this one specific section I can get a reliable "crash" sound which is making want to return these! I went to GC yesterday and played the Roland TD-07kv and the hihat pedal was AMAZING. So sensitive to the pressure on my foot, it felt completely real. And the cymbals were so sensitive and dynamic. How is the Titan 70's hihat pedal? And is the cymbal wonkyness a sensitivity adjustment I need to make similar to your 1250 video on maxing out the sensitivity? Thank you so much for your time!
You need to check the sensitivity setting..: also. There’s springs on the pedal… I think you can loosen them. 🤔
oooo the springs! Interesting ok I'll check it out. The fact that you speak so highly of it combined with you're drumming experience/knowledge is reassuring that I just need to learn the kit better or develop some muscle in my hihat leg haha. (first time playing again in 15years) Thanks!@@KeithronPowell
Just bought 70 Thanks for your knowledge ... God bless! 777 Got a new puppy and Acoustic drums are out for a bit! Like thinner rims anyday!
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Thank you Keith for posting these videos. I picked up the Titan 70 for Christmas. Loving it so far! Are the pads for the SD1250 interchangeable with the Titan 70? Specifically can I use the 12" snare pad from the SD1250 on the Titan 70 for the snare? If so I could then use the 10" snare (Titan 70) as a floor tom.
The problem is the snares connection on the 1250 is different so you can’t use it. You can always use the 10in as a floor tom just remember it won’t be dual zone if you’re splitting a tom to do it.
Keithron, YOU messed it up for everyone! ❤😂. As soon as you started giving the love massively to the 1250, I couldn't find one of these kits for under $1K! Evvvvvvveryone suddenly got wise and began selling their 1250's for much more money. Dang it! LOL.
😂😂 just grab the 70 and future proof yourself. My guess is the 1250 has one more year in production at best,
I saw some other videos on the Titan 70, you're spot on with your review. I heard the sound difference had to do with higher bit rate sampling on the 70 ?, allowing more reverb type effects. Like you said, that can be EQ'd easily. I prefer the larger snare and color monitor on the SD1250. But that's just me. Still they hit a HR with the Titan70. Thanks for doing this video Keith.
The sampling does make it sound better but……🤷🏽♂️
It’s not just the sampling. The triggers on the 1250 are mounted different on all the drums vs the 50 or 70. The 12” 1250 snare has a center mounted trigger and a rim area mounted trigger. The 70 has “rimshot detection” which the 1250 does not.. yes you can program the rim trigger but not to do rim/mesh simultaneous activation..All the Tom’s are the same. I noticed that there’s a sweet spot dead center on the 1250 mesh heads that the 50 and 70 don’t share. Also the fX samplings for the 50 and 70 are more of a room sound then a kit sound. That in of itself makes the 70 and 1250 two different fruits but both are sweet. If you are a beginner the 1250 would be the right choice I think. You can’t get the same sounds out of the 1250 that are rendered by 70 by “EQ ing it in”.. I might have spent more cash chasing EZ Drummer or Superior Drummer in search of the 70 kit sounds for my 1250 but it would’ve been expensive and very time consuming.it was easier to just send the 1250 back and exchange for a 70 a Tama 600 kick and a $35.00 snare stand… now this kit plays and performs like a solid kit because I’m using the snare stand and the rack snare arm support together. Adding this snare stand to the rack mount is huge all by itself. The Iron Cobra kick petal is bad ass too
Nice review. Love your videos.
Question, if you already have a Gibraltar rack with all the necessary clamps to mount everything. And you were planning to expand so you got a 13” dual zone snare instead of buying an extra tom. Then, what was the snare on the kit, got demoted to a tom, or a side snare. Which kit would you get? Considering that it’s possible to get a used 1250 for about the same price as a new 70.
70… all day
As a proud owner of an SD1250, If “I knew then, what I know now”, I would definitely go with the Titan 70. For me, it’s the smaller footprint, the cymbal stands and of course the price.
Nevertheless, another great & informative video.
Stay well, my brother 🥁👍🏼
Thanks for watching. I hear you. It’s the little thing that make a difference.
Scott I get you .. same feeling for me… but this 1250 is really starting to grow on me… and I like that.
Gotta say... Great review, and thank you! I'm about to switch to electronic because of surgeries. As a gigging player, what would your call be here? And... what would you use for amplification in a medium-sized venue to get that solid low end on the kick? Thank you!!!
great video - what camera do you use? love it!
Canon M50… I chose to let the natural light shine in that day too.
thank you
16:07 hi great video! Just getting back into drumming after 15 years and picked up the TD1250. Don’t care for the cymbal mounts, they need to figure that out. But the larger snare and larger toms won me over although would rather have a larger Tom-2, so I swapped it out with Tom-4 which I don’t play all the time. As far as all the kits in the module, I just found a few I like and play those.
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I swapped the stock cymbal mounts for boom arm mounts and it made a huge difference on the overall playability.
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Thank you sir for your in depth reviews, really appreciate it. Trying to decide on which one of these. Haven't played in decades but retired now, and guess it's a bucket list kind of thing. Was curious about the size difference (floor space needed). The 70 looks way more compact, but I like the larger drum sizes of the 1250. Would you by any chance know how much space required? Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with us.
The 1250 is larger. Any bedroom would work. If you’ve got 5x7 space you’re good
@@KeithronPowell Thanks!!
I would imagine that the SD1250 should have been a clear win on the snare pad. Being on a separate stand reduces cross-talk and gives you real control over the positioning that being on a cage-mounted arm just can't do. Should you consider getting a larger conversion-style snare drum later you'd also already have the stand and now an large extra tom from the spare.
Yep… love that part. Crosstalk ain’t bad in the Titan drums though… and you can adjust it to your liking.
Still pretty new to all this stuff. Technology is obviously making things better. I purchased a SD 1200 expanded kit a few years back. Whats the difference between that and the 1250? For the money the Titan 70 really does look to be the better buy. Thanx for a great video
They’ve made a couple of changes… snare pickups and plug in, color, and it come with the expansion kit. I think they revisited some sounds but to my recollection that about it. Of course later today I’ll remember more.
well after watching many of your videos on the titan 70 and the SD1250 I went ahead and purchased the SD1250 for my little home studio setup. Since i was going to be triggering this kit with Superior drummer and EZ drummer, i wasn't really concerned about the module. aside from two of my cymbal clamps having retention lugs snap on my after binding while tightening, the entire kit went together quickly and easily. for some reason it took me a little bit to get it working with my computer as it wasn't registering as a midi device on my mac at first. I swapped around some USB cables and it suddenly started working. Wasn't able to get my mac to recognize it as a bluetooth device to pair with, which i thought was odd, but since i got it working via USB not really that concerned. I was bummed with the lack of android support for the app still. thought they would have had this figured out by now, but i guess not. Now i just have to figure out how to get the hi hatt controller to have a more dynamic range on the pedal. right now it kinda goes from tight closed to open with no in between. I also feel like the snare really you really have to slam it to get full velocity, so i am sure there are settings i can mess with the get it hitting harder without having to beat the hell out of the drum.
All in all so far i am diggin it, and what it will bring to my setup.
Now i just gotta learn how to pllay drums worth a damn :)
They’re never going to make the app work on Android. They’re moving to the Titan series so all updates are focused there when it comes to the app. In fact… it’s a completely different app.
Make sure to go in and map the drum to Simmons. If your don’t do that, it’ll work but not as good as you’d like.
For thanksgiving, both are priced at $800, which one is better for beginner to intermediate?
Go Titan 70
Bluetooth and Android support means future-proofing and probably better resale because of it. Where the cost difference comes in over time Titan 70 seems to extend the difference if size isn't a large a factor. Wish they sold them here in Canada. I suppose a cross-border trip is possible if I want to drive it for hours and deal with customs but it'd be nice to see them expand up here....
It’s be worth it! 😬
Will Canada make you pay duty on a product you buy for personal use?
@@johnn58 Yup. it varies based on the country of origin, how long you were in the USA for before your purchase there A your allowance for duty-free goods goes up based on the duration of your stay, etc. The usage reason doesn't matter at all.
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I checked out both of these at Guitar Center and I was surprised at how toy -ike the Titan 70 felt compared to the SD1250 due to its small size. I am planning on learning to drum and I think I may go with the SD1250 because it felt more like being behind an actual acoustic kit and I think it would help that transition.
Anyone coming from an acoustic set is going to feel that way. I have the 1250 permanently set up in my studio due to that very fact. It’s about the feel. Not sure what they’re going to do to replace the 1250 but if and when they do I know it’ll be hot!
The local GC only had the Titan 70 setup and I agree that it just feels small, and I'm not a drummer.
I’m a decent drummer been playing for a while! I love Roland! Probably the best out there! But for right now my options are
Nitro max, donner ded 200, command mesh SE, maybe simmons but I’m not sure which to go with! Any tips! Price range is variable!
Simmons Titan 70!
bought the sd1250 from watching your vids man
Awesome! Congratsy
Thanks Keith great review, do you know if the hi hat pedal on both kits send continuous controller information? Especially the Titan 70? Do both hi hat pedals send continuous controller messages?
Thanks.
Not sure what you mean.
@@KeithronPowell Thanks for the reply, I mean does the hi hat pedal send out cc#4 controller messages so when you open and close it like in EZdrummer 3 it will trigger "multiple" sample in the range from open to close instead of just open, closed and half open?
Variable control is what its called i believe.
@@ThomasECahill ok I get it… I think it does I use EZdrummer and it’s so natural that I don’t think I even paid attention. And that’s on the SD1250 and 70
@@KeithronPowell Thanks buddy, appreciate it.
What will you choose? It's between these two that I want I'm soo undecided!
The fact that I’m gonna use Ez drummer 3 anyway and the bigger more acoustic feeling kit I went with the 1250 over the 70.
Agreed! Thats why the 1250 is in my studio.
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Hoping you can help me out real quick. You got me spinning here. For the next couple of days I can get the SD1250 for the same price as the titan 70. I love everything about the SD1250 but worried the brain is way better on the 70. Question to you, they are the same price, which way do I go? I’m currently replacing an Alesis Surge. And thanks for your reviews. I’ve watch over a dozen today, now I’m down to these two. Thanks for you insight on this.
This is truly a hard one for me. The size of the 1250 makes it feel more natural, assuming you’ve played an acoustic set. The module is better on the Titan. The Titan if future proofed. I’d say, based on your situation…. I don’t know what you should do. 🤦🏽♂️😂 good news is they have 14 day refund/exchange policy. So maybe take advantage of that.
Thanks. I just watched your video on your titan 70 discussion. Wish I would have watched that first and I would not have asked you 😅 One last question, is there any other kit you would recommend up to $1600? I do appreciate more acoustic feel and I want blue tooth midi as well on the module along with 3 zone cymbals, at least the ride. I’ve been drumming for over ten years but can’t afford a professional set, I’m at intermediate set price point. Appreciate you.
I would just get the T70. It’s the smart choice to me.
I just bought my 1250 for $806.99.. now that means I actually paid $899.00 but I got a $90 gift certificate to Guitar Centers where I’ll be using that to pay for my new Tama Iron Cobra 600 kick.. $149 - $90.00.. = $59.00.. out of pocket. So technically I’ll will have paid $866.98… including kick…and that’s the dollars and sense. I just sold my 50 to get this one. I got $21.00 more for it than I paid for it 11 months ago. My first impression of the 1250 was Love The Size…Love the Rack rigidity, Love the Tom mounting hardware. Don’t love the crash locations. Will be purchasing two rack horizontal mounts soon to fix that. The glaring problem for me is that this module 1250 is really set up to emulate acoustic kits. That’s pretty much it’s main function (with a few semimeaningless synth fX). It feels more like acoustic and that matters to me. I do miss the one touch kit sounds like Modern Pop from my 50 which sounded pretty good on the headphones while playing along covers from my music. The 50 was better that way because it just sounded better playing along with music. I’m going to have to work hard to tweak a few kits to my liking to even have a chance of emulating that Bonham kit or Jerry Shirley kit or that David Grohl kit. When I played along Kravitz on “Are you gonna go my way” on my 50 I WAS the drummer in Pop mode. The 1250 can probably get there eventually but I’m going to have to work hard at it. As for pure drum experience 1250 hands down better than playing on 10” snare and 8” Tom’s. I’m torn a little and have come to the conclusion I either need to figure out how to get a few kits to sound like my 50 or… just buy a 70 and have it in the room for play along. I did buy a cheap Amazon Bluetooth plugged into Aux In which is pretty much the same now as Bluetooth Audio.. but … it’s not exactly perfect without that 50 Pop groove. I’m doing something with this 1250 I didn’t do with the 50… I’m truly knuckling down and practicing rudimentary LRK stuff and as I practice this way more and more it’s making a much better drummer out if me. Another reviewer told me to hook up a Titan 50 module to this 1250 kit and it’ll be the same as before … but bigger. I’m not sure how that would be so I’m avoiding that idea for now.. I wonder if the 70 module would be even better hooked up to this 1250 kit??? Keithron… try it for us!! You have em all sitting right there so hook up and review!! Please! If I were looking into buying a beginner or slightly better kit I’d buy the 70 at this point. Not the 1250 .. if you really want the acoustic feel and have the urge to do a lot of tweaking of sounds and FX… 1250 all the way. Question!! Can you import sounds from the 50 or 70 into the 1250 module???? Great question ain’t it? And… will it work and sound cool??? Let us know!
I’m looking forward to the next Titan. Imagine a Titan type module with the 1250 pad sizes. Shut up and take my money, and I’m not even a drummer!
@@leesbassment6393 yea.. I agree. But I couldn’t wait. The two models have two totally different approaches. Be nice to have the 70 module hooked up on a A/B switch with the 1250.. the 70 module is essentially the same as the 50.. going from 50 to 70 just didn’t make enough sense to me. But I have to admit too that after all the research I did I really did not totally understand the differences. They are huge to a drummer. I just assumed that the 1250 was a 1200 with a Titan 50 approach hence 12…50!! That is a dangerous assumption and it kind of disappointed me. But let’s face it… that’s probably what’s next.. again I see a way to import on this 1250 so I’m going to keep hoping someone (Keithron?) shows me how to get there..
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Keith, could I take the snare from tthe SD1250 and use it with the Titan 70 module? I also hate small snare drum pads. AND tiny (Alesis, you hear me??!) cymbal pads.
If it could be done you’d have to try and use the 1250 cables as well. The 1250 has a different plug for the snare
After all the nonsense I talked with Simmons Tech Support. Here’s the skinny.. snare is designed to be one trigger or the other just like all the Tom’s.. for me that’s not acceptable. So I’m returning the kit to Guitar Centers full refund and purchasing the Titan 70. The 1250 is a great kit but it’s not for what I want to do with it.. the 50 was phenomenally fun to play.. 1250 not so much… I played the 70 once and it was reminiscent of the 50 so there it is.. to answer this content question… The 70 is better… for me.
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Did i see in one of your videos that its possible to record a sound/sample in the titan 70 app and incorporate it into the drum set sounds??
Yep! Now don’t ask me how.. I have never done it. 😂 I use them a different way and have never needed to do it. Tune in to watch the LIVE Unboxing and Set Up of the Donner DED - 200. You can click to be reminded. ruclips.net/user/livesTM2ob4cwbk?si=EVKWSR2QG3kd7Q9C
I found it in one of your videos. That feature was actually in their first app....not in drum app2..
So, if you were going to use the kit for playing out which e-drum kit would you prefer
Between these two? I like the 1250 because it’s more like an acoustic but… if I’m worried about how much to carry…. Give me the 70
Idk if you discussed this already but I didn’t see it. Is there a big difference between having the stand alone snare on the 1250 and the mounted one on the 70?
You can make more adjustments with the snare stand… it doesn’t affect the sound at all
Keith, now that the SD1250 is the same price as the Titan 70, which do you think is the better buy now?
🤷🏽♂️ I’ve been asked this question so many times…. It’s not an easy answer for me.
will the same wire harness work on both modules? thanks
Yes
GC has the 1250 on sale for $799 right now, the same price as the T70. With that considered, what are you going with? I have the T70 right now and love it, but I am in a window where I could return it and swap for the 1250.
I'm going tomorrow to check them both out. I'll let you know which one I went with
@@Nigel-nv3lrwhat did you think?
@@SquakesMahoney I talked to the employee and got the alesis crimson 2. He told me that the mesh quality and overall durability of the set makes it worth the extra $50 (the crimson was 850 and the other two were 800). The only set they had out was the Titan 70 and although it sounded alright, it seemed a bit congested. I also had a hard time getting the ride bell to work properly, and the cymbals wouldn't probably choke unless you held them really tight and in exactly the right place. The crimson has one less tom (which I don't really care about all too much) but it has a separate snare stand and the kit looks like you have more room.
I'll post updates on here about how well it plays and my general thoughts on it
It depends… coming from acoustic I always pick 1250 but… BUT! The 70 is so close to it in so many ways with better sounds that I have to say the T70
Does the SD1250 have a replacement hi hat pedal and any expansion packs?
Titan packs are for the Titan drums… you can replace the hi hat pedal.
What you would buy if they were the same price?
I would buy 1250 because of size and how it’s closer to my acoustic and how I use it but if you’re not doing what I’m doing the 70 is the way to go
I’ve been playing my new 1250 for two weeks. I’ve noticed that the snare does not trigger the rim and skin head If struck simultaneously.. on a real snare AND the Titan 50 and 70 when you hit this type of rim shot you get the sound emulated like a real snare would give.. a bullet note …and I miss that. As is now I only get either the skin head or the rim… not both…I don’t like this and the guy on Drums 65 says the triggers can’t be changed from this module nor will they ever work that way through EZ Drummer, Superior Drummer or the like. That to me sucks big time. Also, with the 1250 you only get the drum sounds that are emulated from bare kits whereas the 50 and 70 have programmed kits that emulate the entire mixed sound on the prerecorded music I play to.. does anybody understand what I’m getting at here? I love the size and feel of this 1250 but I’m real close to calling MF and telling them take em back and give me the Titan 70..
Just get the 70… no need in keeping it and being frustrated.
@@KeithronPowellI’ve had the 70 up and running for two days.. there are pluses and minuses in comparison for both. For me the 70 is it. The coolest thing I came across is that I’m using a snare stand and the snare arm rack bracket together in unison. You need to check this out. If you notice they use the Tom from the 1250 as the snare on the 70. With that type of steel bracket mount on the snare put it into the arm and put a snare stand under it and watch how stiff it makes the whole rack.!! If you have a Place for me to send you a pic I’ll send it to you.. I know you’ll think it’s really really cool.. it transforms the rigidity of the entire unit as a whole.
I've been leaning towards the 1250 because of the latest price drop. But how does the 1250 manage a rim-shot then? That's an immediate deal-breaker for me.
Can I use the Titan 70 brain on the SD1250?
All Brian’s swap to any drum
Looks like the titan 70 won’t be back in stock to buy off the shelf for six months to a year so I guess that is that, unfortunately
Wow
Got an email from Simmons today answering my question about the Android app for the SD-1250. This is their response: "Our app is only available for iOS right now. There will be a Android app and possibly Windows but no further information at this time."
They’re not going to make one for older drums yet the Titan series is getting the Android app.
The 70 is a winner for me as I am a android user, didn't want to learn a new platform on top of everything else, any idea when the new app will be released 😀
@@KeithronPowell Being an Android/Windows guy, I dropped an extra $600 just to get an IPAD after I got my SD1200. Wasn't a total loss since IOS does have some cool apps.
@@stevenm4426 I was told this winter but I was also asked to beta test it last week. The thing is I don’t own an android product so I couldn’t. It’s definitely coming soon!
@@dilankarun9172 hate to say it but… the best apps start in iOS before going to android. Been that way forever.
Can’t I expand the 70 with Tom’s from the 1250?
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@@KeithronPowell well, if I could do that then lol I would reduce a couple of the negatives
Hey Keith, thanks for the video, very informative! If you get a second, take a look at my page as I play on an extended 1200 set , and I just wanna show you on how the 1200 series it does have extra outputs for extra crash and Tom pad!
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