I agree, Ive shot my 6" 357 out to 400yrds and thats pushing it but 150yrds its still easy to make off hand SA shots but Ive got thousands of rounds through that guy. Most inaccurate part is generally my sight alignment with irons
When I saw the title of this video, the first thing I thought was practice, practice, practice. I could give an expensive accurized pistol to a non shooter and it wouldn’t help until they got the fundamentals down.
Interesting fact. He got so good from dryfire practice. He got al old gun that was destroyed in a fire and no longer had its barrel and cylinder and just carried it everywhere and practiced his trigger control. (Obviously he also shot a dump truck worth of ammo every year as well).
I'm new to firearms, but I've been to the range a few times and the revolver I was shooting was more accurate than the semi-auto on both occasions. It might be a mindset thing for me, but I really enjoyed the revolver. The way they function is just so cool.
You're not alone. Most folks shoot full-size revolvers as well or better than semi autos. ... and they're just fun! Small/light magnum revolvers are harder to master, but that's why it's nice to shoot 38s
One of my first guns was a Colt Trooper Mk 3 (wish I'd never sold it, of course). I think it was untouched from the factory. That thing was _the_ most accurate handgun I have ever used. Unbelievably accurate.
Yep and like my pawnshop find of my S&W .38 s&w caliber an early 50's model Regulation Police blue steel 4 in. barrel with its fixed rear sight and front half moon blade sight out to 15 yards it's like I can't miss my target only if I try to miss on purpose !! The 5 shot revolver is just a dang tack driver as most guys say it is and I know what they mean now by saying that and it's one gun I'll never sell but the ammo is quite expensive these days as all ammo is !!!
I picked up an old Iver Johnson cadet in 38 S&W that had a huge 0.015" barrel Gap. I machined the shoulder of the barrel that mates up with the frame to bring the barrel gap down the thickness of one thread, and stopped when the front sight was aligned. I then turned the face to leave a 0.005" barrel gap. No matter how much I shoot and heat up the gun the barrel Gap should never tighten up enough to cause trouble.
Ah ok thank you for the info. I understand what to do. Shimming, polishing, tightening screws, changing sights or grips and testing different manufactured or self loaded ammo.
And don’t forget! As soon as you take it out of the box, you must remove the barrel and add a brand new custom barrel. Add a custom cylinder also. I also strip the blueing and add new blueing.
Hard to believe but I found an FIE Buffalo Scout at a flea market and got it for $35. Has the .22 magnum cylinder too. Just had to replace the firing pin and clean it up. I know they aren’t expensive but I was happy.
OK, let's say that you can hold within a 2" circle at 25 yards. So if you were shooting a laser, you would expect to have 2" groups at 25 yards. But if you are shooting a typical modern pistol that can only hold 3" at 25 yards, your groups are now 5". Put another way, an accurate gun won't make YOU more accurate, but an inaccurate gun will make you less accurate. Think about it.
I have a cir 1973 new model in 357 it’s so accurate it makes me look like a good shot also a new Flat top 44 special, I checked the cylinder gap on both after viewing this video and they each are a tight 3 thousandth and with trigger pulls in the 3.5 range and good muzzle crowns I would not mess with them so I still say “ just take em out of the box and fire them “. As for my 3rd gen Peacemaker well that’s a different opinion
What about chamber sizes? I keep hearing that Rugers especially, have inconsistent sizes that affect accuracy. That they should all be sized and honed to match? We have multiple Ruger Single actions in .45 Colt and .45 acp and they seem to vary a lot. I'm surprised this wasn't addressed. It was one of the reasons i watched the video.
I need to ask this question about accuracy. Are you trying to hit a tick, or maybe a sweet pea, at 50 yards?? Lol. Chamber sizes affect accuracy????? Lol!!!
@@brandiwynter , most experts would disagree. The experts, and the well educated marketing experts will tell you and I that we need a 300 tune-up on our revolvers to make them accurate. Well, I shoot a lot of different cheap revolvers right out of the box, and I can hit a quart size milk jug at 25 yards. Do you think that’s good enough accuracy for self defense, competition, deer hunting, etc, or should you and I spend a lot of money on marketing bullshit. Practice!
@@albertforletta1498 there's a huge difference in being "good enough for..." and being as accurate as it can be. If good enough is your personal pinnacle of performance that's fine but that's only one demographic and a relatively small one at that. There's a whole world of people who prefer to get the most out of our guns, be that revolver or otherwise. If "good enough" was good enough for most people we would all own Charter Arms revolvers and Hi Point pistols.
My muzzle crown was burred from the factory, half pointed in the other half pointed out. This caused 6-8" low and left at 10-15 yards. Lapped the muzzle myself, much better now. Thanks a bunch S&W (sarcastically)...
Thanks and Blessings Gents on this day of remembering our Veterans, past and present..... great video! I regret that I traded a Bisley Vacquero about 20 years ago.
Put rubber grips on my Python back in '82. Stopped the gun from moving in my hand under recoil. I shoot one handed and can't hit the side of a barn from inside the barn with both hands on the gun. People at the range have tried to coach me on two hand hold but I always go back to what hits the target for me.
Jerking your gun and making the cylinder slam shut, like you see in the movies, will throw your timing off. If the timing is off, you will split the lead when the bullet leaves the cylinder and goes into the barrel. Always, and I mean always close the cylinder carefully and gently on your revolver. The timing is one factor that makes your revolver more accurate. So please do yourself a favor and don’t slam the cylinder shut.
After all of this you should address GRIP CUSTOMIZATION......we used to file,shape,build-up,reform our grips..... everyones hands fit differently onto a gun and this does indeed effect accuracy..... even in this video you can see this handgun recoiling differently shot to shot....yup.....
@@jamesday7344 The age of the statement doesn't matter, but it doesn't work in that regard. The marines have to work with what they're given cause they don't get anything else, while we can change how we see fit. It's about one's individual gun and it's use. @Jay Thomas Reset I've heard about a one sided pinky cut out to reduce rotation in the hand. Brownell's could do more about grip modifications.
When I used to use revolvers for target shooting, I ended up with a couple of bespoke grips that were made to measure for me. One was a single handed grip with a palm shelf and a massive thumb rest for "Olympic" style competitions and the other was a slimmer symmetric grip for action shooting. The latter gave sufficient clearance for the use of speed loaders,
Throw away & get a Glock? Nah, just kidding, I love my Single Actions! But couldn't hold myself back ;) Great Content, like everytime here at Brownells. Thank you.
I have a Ruger GP 100 Stainless 6 inch barrel in 357 magnum. I have adjusted the sights a couple of years ago and it shot excellently. Now it is shooting low and scattered left to right! Can you direct me to a good gunsmith that can do this work on my Ruger GP 100? I'm in Jefferson, NH 03583.
Could tyler gunworks do a modern production smith and wesson 41? I'm likely to get one as my woods sidearm when I get a job and have the cash. I'd like for it to have the best chance to hit.
@@theeasternfront6436 Just my opinion, but that doesn't sound like a real fix to me. And in the case of a single action revolver, like the Ruger Bisely they were showing, there is no "crane" - just a straight rod that holds the cylinder where it needs to be.
The barrel is set back 1 full thread turn and then the gap is set to the new clearance. This causes the forcing cone end of the barrel to move closer to the cylinder the distance of the thread pitch. Then that area gets faced to set the correct gap. The barrel has to be removed from the frame and machined on a lathe to do this.
Add a sick trigger, put a 30x optic on it, weighted grips, port the barrel, match hand loads, Mount it in a bench rest. Mount the bench to a mountain so it is stable and doesn’t move. How come brownells wasn’t able to think of these things?
I care almost enough to have my Ruger 7.5" SBH fixed. That thing is a pile. I thought for several years it was ammo, but it wouldn't shoot any ammo well. So then it must be me I just can't handle 44 mag. I put Houge grips on it and I did shoot it a little better, so it must be me. Then I got a model 29 8 3/8". Well guess what I shoot 44 mag just fine. I wish there was a decent revolver smith near me I'd have the Ruger fixed cause I like it. I use it to test my heavy loads before they go through the mod 29, and for flinch control muscle memory to save the 29. It would be nice to hit what I'm shooting at too.
Problem is with Ruger quality control . They make good revolver but get slack on checking tolerance on equipment and tooling . Tolerance on cylinder throats ,forcing cones , and timing could be much better and make a lot more accurate firearm and in tern drastically make happier customers and increase sales.
I'll pass along a little tip for AR's with collapsible stocks. They have a problem that everyone who shoots AR's and wears a beard is probably aware of - when you take up a cheek weld with a collapsible stock, all too often beard hairs get trapped between the stock and the buffer tube, and when you move your head it will rip them right out. You can solve the problem with a 3" long piece of duck tape. Fold the tape over 1/3rd (lengthwise) such that you now have a piece of tape that's half sticky and half not sticky. Take the sticky part, and tape it laterally across the front of the stock, such that the non-sticky part hangs over the front of the stock and about 1/2" worth of the buffer tube - thus covering the gap where beard hairs get caught. The stock will collapse fully, and there will be no difference in its operation, but it will no longer snag beard hairs. I always use black duck tape, and you can hardly even tell it's there. But if you're wearing a beard, you'll know it when you shoot it.
Take a while to find out where your handgun prints as you shoot it. Only costs may be 12 bullets. Then practice 3 x times as much as you think is needed. Dry fire (gets some fake rouinds if you want) and them practice trigger pull and do it some more. No parts needed. If you have a handgun the shoots 2" right and 1.15" down then shoot in a way to correct it... NO $$$$$. it is your weapon and like a hammer, it will do what you tell it to. If it will not hit the nail it is your fault.
Amazing that a factory revolver is so poorly manufactured, Cylinder is not properly aligned, poor crown, action is not proper and timing is off. I do not think so. I love revolvers, own several made by Ruger, S&W, and Colt. None have the issues or missing refinements mentioned in this video. When I had one, Ruger fixed it immediately, and that was the cylinder chambers where too tight. The revolvers I have purchase are accurate, tight and smooth.
I'm with you brotha. I don't understand how they can tighten and improve the cylinder gap. The only way that I can imagine would be to have an oversized "raw" cylinder that could be filed down to create the tightest fit. Otherwise, how? Shims? I don't think so! Next up...how can they modify the line-up of the chambers to the forcing cone? You have things like the cylinder bolt, pawl and ratchet that could be changed-out, but more important is the precision at which the chambers are bored into the cylinder. You can't move the chambers! Also, let's talk about notches on the cylinder where the so-called cylinder bolt (pin) engages. Those needs to be precisely cut at the FACTORY.
@@pagamenews I think they use shims. Basically really thin washers. Not 100% sure but I could swear I seen them at Brownells or Midway or some other parts company.
@@onionhead5780 yes, shimmed from the back with essentially tin foil. The differences are insanely small. They are talking about removing tolerance slop. This does make your gun more unreliable from long shooting sessions between cleaning. They may even pick up a few feet per second making hollow points more reliable in expansion. It’s all a trade off.
Do a little Google on the new Colt Python and, especially, King Cobra models. Damaged crowns, loose side plates, timing off, you name and Colt screwed it up. I once saw the inside of a S&W Model 25 from 1976. Beautiful outside in a nice presentation box. The inside of the side plate and frame looked like an alcoholic fired from the Vega assembly line did the machining. Hammer and trigger both required multiple shims to reduce side-to-side slop. Trigger was horribad. Surfaces of rebound slide and where it contacted frame looked like washboards. No wonder the gun had barely been fired. Now a pre-1960 Colt revolver? Those are mechanical beauties. So are Smith & Wessons from 1969 or earlier. If I were to buy a new revolver, I’d like to check out multiple examples of the same model until I found one that was put together right.
@@chipsterb4946 Then send it back to COLT. I happen to have a Cobra and it is beautifully made and well timed, no damage or other. Same for Smith and Wesson. On the other hand, if you buy used, then it may need work.
Dang! Who was yanking that trigger so hard?! No talk of exit diameters or forcing cone? Tell us where you grew the metal to reduce the cylinder gap - I haven’t had to accurize a revolver in 20 years, but I think we passed over a bunch of basic stuff in this little interview.
You totally missed the core of the custom SA revolver, and that is the cylinder pin, which is obviously not as manufactured. Give a shout out to Belt Mountain.
I noticed the custom ruger had a higher front sight that the stock front sight. My flat top bisley in 44 special shoots several inches high at 25 yards. A higher front sight is something I am interested in.
Time for me to play "devil's advocate" with your statement. My guns tend to always have some sort of chemicals on the metal parts. Sometimes it's bore solvent in the barrel and chambers and sometimes its a rust inhibitor on the exterior metal parts. Guess what? I don't want my food and beverages anywhere NEAR those chemicals. I knew a guy that was a gunsmith and had fallen ill with leukemia (it killed him). He felt that his health issues were related to the cleaning solvents that he used in his shop. I suspect he was right.
@@pagamenews you may be correct especially with aerosols. But I think he cups are there to be inviting and casual so they have a point as well. I personally try to avoid dangerous chemicals and use motor oil and Balistal as it is far less dangerous.
Some good explanation, still though, not a lot of “How to…”, as indicated in the title. In fact, the only How-to was, “take it to a gunsmith. “ Just sayin’. Love your videos.
Revolvers are rough on my hands because your index finger has to be angled down and your fist is straight vertical. It's very uncomfortable. At least the glock and luger don't force your index finger to be angled down
A lot of bunk......barrel crown and cylinder gap pressure loss? Bunk.....Revolvers do not have a 1 MOA accuracy and as long as there is a decent trigger pull and trigger brake the issue is the load work up for the pistol. Velocity and pressure and powder burn rate and bullet type are the key to accuracy. As an example testing by others for decades and my own reloading and shooting have shown the most accurate 44 mag hand gun load from a 5-/2" and 7-1/2" barrel for both Super Blackhawk and Redhawk is 210gr load with 26gr of Win296. The Keith 256gr hard cast with only 19gr of 2400 is a close second and both will shoot minute of beer can at 50yards all day long. The 210 gr is both accurate in Jacketed bullets and a gas checked hard cast Ideal#429215 which weighs just over 215gr with lube and gas check using 50% wheel weight and 50% Linotype. Practice and loads have a more dramatic affect of pistol accuracy as compared to Rifle accuracy and gun action work is minuscule on the scale of all things required to achieving accuracy from a revolver. Thats my opinion.
Minute of beer can at 50 yards!! That’s awesome.😁 I also reload, and I find my ammo, and revolvers are accurate enough for me! I’m not trying to hit a tick, or sweet pea at 50 yards.
I don't know about this one. Perhaps at the highest levels this matters, but I've shot a couple revolvers that were budget guns - think Taurus level - and they were incredibly accurate. Much more-so than my semi-autos, and much more than I will likely ever be. Would like to hear JM's opinion on this one. Edit: Just realized - does this perhaps only apply to older revolvers? The aforementioned were built in the last 10-15 years.
Out of the box, with commercial tolerances, I think there can be a huge variation in the accuracy of as-built revolvers. I've seen some pre-1914 Webleys that had really precise timing and good lock-up. At uni, we have one little used ex-WW2 S&W Victory Model in .380 British (i.e. .38 S&W) that seemed really good and I discovered that it would shoot 1" groups for me at 25 metres. Probably the most accurate shooting I've ever done with a revolver was with a borrowed S&W .22 Model 17 - it was easily as accurate as I'd want for a .22. match pistol. Semi autos can be accurate too though...
For all the naysayers commenting factory accuracy is good enough. This video isn't for you , keep scrolling. I completely understand most wont benefit from a more accurate pistol.
God First And your point is? Everyone’s new at something sometime. I doubt that God approves of you just openly criticizing this gentleman for something so petty.
Seems to me that the best way to improve the accuracy of a revolver is to practice a lot with it!
I agree, Ive shot my 6" 357 out to 400yrds and thats pushing it but 150yrds its still easy to make off hand SA shots but Ive got thousands of rounds through that guy. Most inaccurate part is generally my sight alignment with irons
Totally right Dan !
Practice!!! Lol! Simple as that.
When I saw the title of this video, the first thing I thought was practice, practice, practice. I could give an expensive accurized pistol to a non shooter and it wouldn’t help until they got the fundamentals down.
This is America. Too many people want to just be able to buy something and not have to do any work. Like buying exercise equipment that is never used.
I've found that if I want my revolver to shoot faster and more accurately, its just best to hand it over to Miculek
Interesting fact. He got so good from dryfire practice. He got al old gun that was destroyed in a fire and no longer had its barrel and cylinder and just carried it everywhere and practiced his trigger control. (Obviously he also shot a dump truck worth of ammo every year as well).
Ha ha.
For most folks, it isn't the revolver that needs to have its accuracy improved. It's the person operating it.
How do you make your revolver more accurate? Practice, practice, practice.
Thats one way for sure!
Dry fire. Control the muzzle when hammer drops.
I'm new to firearms, but I've been to the range a few times and the revolver I was shooting was more accurate than the semi-auto on both occasions. It might be a mindset thing for me, but I really enjoyed the revolver. The way they function is just so cool.
Less moving parts, often longer sight radius, often more weight.
Use the best choice for you. Confidence is a big part of accuracy and staying alive if the need arises.
You're not alone. Most folks shoot full-size revolvers as well or better than semi autos. ... and they're just fun!
Small/light magnum revolvers are harder to master, but that's why it's nice to shoot 38s
In that thought,,, I have more fun with a bolt, slide, or lever action carbine than a semi auto action. "The way they function is just so cool."
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Since you quoted that line...now I hope he doesn't slam the cylinder shut and spin it. O.o
One of my first guns was a Colt Trooper Mk 3 (wish I'd never sold it, of course). I think it was untouched from the factory. That thing was _the_ most accurate handgun I have ever used. Unbelievably accurate.
Yep and like my pawnshop find of my S&W .38 s&w caliber an early 50's model Regulation Police blue steel 4 in. barrel with its fixed rear sight and front half moon blade sight out to 15 yards it's like I can't miss my target only if I try to miss on purpose !! The 5 shot revolver is just a dang tack driver as most guys say it is and I know what they mean now by saying that and it's one gun I'll never sell but the ammo is quite expensive these days as all ammo is !!!
I picked up an old Iver Johnson cadet in 38 S&W that had a huge 0.015" barrel Gap.
I machined the shoulder of the barrel that mates up with the frame to bring the barrel gap down the thickness of one thread, and stopped when the front sight was aligned.
I then turned the face to leave a 0.005" barrel gap.
No matter how much I shoot and heat up the gun the barrel Gap should never tighten up enough to cause trouble.
Ah ok thank you for the info. I understand what to do. Shimming, polishing, tightening screws, changing sights or grips and testing different manufactured or self loaded ammo.
And don’t forget! As soon as you take it out of the box, you must remove the barrel and add a brand new custom barrel. Add a custom cylinder also. I also strip the blueing and add new blueing.
Hard to believe but I found an FIE Buffalo Scout at a flea market and got it for $35. Has the .22 magnum cylinder too. Just had to replace the firing pin and clean it up. I know they aren’t expensive but I was happy.
cheap old guns are the best kind
Dan N is right ! Improve the accuracy of the SHOOTER not the gun. Most guns shoot better than the person shooting them !
thats exactly what my dad taught me when i was growing up shooting,its not the gun thats off ,its the person behind it
Most....lol
OK, let's say that you can hold within a 2" circle at 25 yards. So if you were shooting a laser, you would expect to have 2" groups at 25 yards. But if you are shooting a typical modern pistol that can only hold 3" at 25 yards, your groups are now 5". Put another way, an accurate gun won't make YOU more accurate, but an inaccurate gun will make you less accurate. Think about it.
What would it cost to get a Ruger Blackhawk, .357 "accurized"?
Take it out of the box
I have a cir 1973 new model in 357 it’s so accurate it makes me look like a good shot also a new Flat top 44 special, I checked the cylinder gap on both after viewing this video and they each are a tight 3 thousandth and with trigger pulls in the 3.5 range and good muzzle crowns I would not mess with them so I still say “ just take em out of the box and fire them “. As for my 3rd gen Peacemaker well that’s a different opinion
What about chamber sizes? I keep hearing that Rugers especially, have inconsistent sizes that affect accuracy. That they should all be sized and honed to match?
We have multiple Ruger Single actions in .45 Colt and .45 acp and they seem to vary a lot. I'm surprised this wasn't addressed. It was one of the reasons i watched the video.
I had a gunsmith gauge my chamber mouths/throat on 2 newish gp100s and they were consistent.
This is a good thing to check though.
I need to ask this question about accuracy. Are you trying to hit a tick, or maybe a sweet pea, at 50 yards?? Lol. Chamber sizes affect accuracy????? Lol!!!
@@albertforletta1498 seems like most everyone who knows anything about Ruger Single action revolvers disagrees. Weird.
@@brandiwynter , most experts would disagree. The experts, and the well educated marketing experts will tell you and I that we need a 300 tune-up on our revolvers to make them accurate. Well, I shoot a lot of different cheap revolvers right out of the box, and I can hit a quart size milk jug at 25 yards. Do you think that’s good enough accuracy for self defense, competition, deer hunting, etc, or should you and I spend a lot of money on marketing bullshit. Practice!
@@albertforletta1498 there's a huge difference in being "good enough for..." and being as accurate as it can be. If good enough is your personal pinnacle of performance that's fine but that's only one demographic and a relatively small one at that. There's a whole world of people who prefer to get the most out of our guns, be that revolver or otherwise. If "good enough" was good enough for most people we would all own Charter Arms revolvers and Hi Point pistols.
I want to know more about that octagon barrel piece. That's sure pretty
My muzzle crown was burred from the factory, half pointed in the other half pointed out. This caused 6-8" low and left at 10-15 yards. Lapped the muzzle myself, much better now. Thanks a bunch S&W (sarcastically)...
Can you make a video about making your own springs? I can think of a couple times that would be a useful skill.
Midway usa has vid
Thanks and Blessings Gents on this day of remembering our Veterans, past and present..... great video! I regret that I traded a Bisley Vacquero about 20 years ago.
How about a Crimson Trace Laser. That works pretty good too
Put rubber grips on my Python back in '82. Stopped the gun from moving in my hand under recoil. I shoot one handed and can't hit the side of a barn from inside the barn with both hands on the gun. People at the range have tried to coach me on two hand hold but I always go back to what hits the target for me.
Jerking your gun and making the cylinder slam shut, like you see in the movies, will throw your timing off. If the timing is off, you will split the lead when the bullet leaves the cylinder and goes into the barrel. Always, and I mean always close the cylinder carefully and gently on your revolver. The timing is one factor that makes your revolver more accurate. So please do yourself a favor and don’t slam the cylinder shut.
Most revolvers don’t have the proper forcing cone size. Most are made to large. So larger cast bullet do wonders.
Re : Bisley. Some custom file work on the front sight and a Wolffe cylinder pin.
After all of this you should address GRIP CUSTOMIZATION......we used to file,shape,build-up,reform our grips..... everyones hands fit differently onto a gun and this does indeed effect accuracy..... even in this video you can see this handgun recoiling differently shot to shot....yup.....
Yes, grips are probably number 2 on the list for improvement of accuracy without outside training. First is always shooting and dryfire practice.
@snoopy dubnation pretty simple..... aim with your eyes closed and then open your eyes and see where you are aimed...... that is good starting point
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The age of the statement doesn't matter, but it doesn't work in that regard. The marines have to work with what they're given cause they don't get anything else, while we can change how we see fit. It's about one's individual gun and it's use. @Jay Thomas Reset I've heard about a one sided pinky cut out to reduce rotation in the hand. Brownell's could do more about grip modifications.
@@jamesday7344 There's always that one pawn that has to drag military service into everything! 😁
When I used to use revolvers for target shooting, I ended up with a couple of bespoke grips that were made to measure for me. One was a single handed grip with a palm shelf and a massive thumb rest for "Olympic" style competitions and the other was a slimmer symmetric grip for action shooting. The latter gave sufficient clearance for the use of speed loaders,
Great video!
Sounds like nothing that I dont already have with my GP100
Love the vids guys
Thank you!
I had a target crown done on my late 50’s HiStandard in 22LR, and have still never gotten it to perform very well, even from a hard rest. 🤷🏻♂️
Throw away & get a Glock? Nah, just kidding, I love my Single Actions! But couldn't hold myself back ;) Great Content, like everytime here at Brownells. Thank you.
My problem with Rugers is the long creep in the trigger.
How 'bout barrel crush at the frame? Seems common with Rugers...
I have a Ruger GP 100 Stainless 6 inch barrel in 357 magnum. I have adjusted the sights a couple of years ago and it shot excellently. Now it is shooting low and scattered left to right! Can you direct me to a good gunsmith that can do this work on my Ruger GP 100? I'm in Jefferson, NH 03583.
Could tyler gunworks do a modern production smith and wesson 41? I'm likely to get one as my woods sidearm when I get a job and have the cash. I'd like for it to have the best chance to hit.
Horrible flinch on that second shot
With any firearm, Practice, Practice, Practice!
How does he adjust cylinder gap? Does he have to get a new barrel?
No you take the cylinder off of the crane and shim it with tiny little shim washers that go on the rod that hold the cylinder in place.
@@theeasternfront6436 Just my opinion, but that doesn't sound like a real fix to me. And in the case of a single action revolver, like the Ruger Bisely they were showing, there is no "crane" - just a straight rod that holds the cylinder where it needs to be.
The barrel is set back 1 full thread turn and then the gap is set to the new clearance. This causes the forcing cone end of the barrel to move closer to the cylinder the distance of the thread pitch. Then that area gets faced to set the correct gap. The barrel has to be removed from the frame and machined on a lathe to do this.
@@pagamenews Good point! I was thinking of some double action revolvers. Don’t know what is done on a single action.
@@japcas that makes sense, sounds like a lot of expensive work.
Revolver gap, If one is using cast, lubricated bullets, can a tight gap get clogged?
Also does any one accurize cap and ball revolvers?
Add a sick trigger, put a 30x optic on it, weighted grips, port the barrel, match hand loads, Mount it in a bench rest. Mount the bench to a mountain so it is stable and doesn’t move. How come brownells wasn’t able to think of these things?
I care almost enough to have my Ruger 7.5" SBH fixed. That thing is a pile. I thought for several years it was ammo, but it wouldn't shoot any ammo well. So then it must be me I just can't handle 44 mag. I put Houge grips on it and I did shoot it a little better, so it must be me. Then I got a model 29 8 3/8". Well guess what I shoot 44 mag just fine. I wish there was a decent revolver smith near me I'd have the Ruger fixed cause I like it. I use it to test my heavy loads before they go through the mod 29, and for flinch control muscle memory to save the 29. It would be nice to hit what I'm shooting at too.
Problem is with Ruger quality control . They make good revolver but get slack on checking tolerance on equipment and tooling . Tolerance on cylinder throats ,forcing cones , and timing could be much better and make a lot more accurate firearm and in tern drastically make happier customers and increase sales.
I'll pass along a little tip for AR's with collapsible stocks. They have a problem that everyone who shoots AR's and wears a beard is probably aware of - when you take up a cheek weld with a collapsible stock, all too often beard hairs get trapped between the stock and the buffer tube, and when you move your head it will rip them right out. You can solve the problem with a 3" long piece of duck tape. Fold the tape over 1/3rd (lengthwise) such that you now have a piece of tape that's half sticky and half not sticky. Take the sticky part, and tape it laterally across the front of the stock, such that the non-sticky part hangs over the front of the stock and about 1/2" worth of the buffer tube - thus covering the gap where beard hairs get caught. The stock will collapse fully, and there will be no difference in its operation, but it will no longer snag beard hairs. I always use black duck tape, and you can hardly even tell it's there. But if you're wearing a beard, you'll know it when you shoot it.
Still wondering what it would cost
the grip off a handgun must fit and sharp sights to aim
Making gun talk almost as exciting as paint drying !
@vic vapor Nope ---- hardcore Trump supporter ... you assume = make an ASS out of U Most Expertly !
@@johnq7847 trump lost haha
@@HircineDaWolf an election STOLEN is NOT an election lost ! Biden / Democrat corruption will be exposed
@@johnq7847 Expound, sources cited
I'm still waiting for someone to make a 338 lapua caliber revolver ❤️😀♥️😁
ouch,that hurts to just think about
Cant with a bottleneck cartridge....
Ok... maybe 350 legend would be better 😀😁😁
@@jonathanjackson4136 they already make a 4570 revolver,why toture your wrists anymore than that
@@jonathanjackson4136 mot much difference between 357 Maximum and the 350 legend. Being rimmed the max is a better cartridge for the revolver.
The cylinder gap on my .22lr/.22 mag revolver is much wider than. 004. It's an old Tanfoglio TA22S. Should I be concerned?
i doubt it, but my rough ride spits out shit everytime i shoot it, can be a little painful
@@HircineDaWolf I bought the Heritage Rough Rider last year, with the 9 shot cylinders for LR and magnum.
Take a while to find out where your handgun prints as you shoot it. Only costs may be 12 bullets. Then practice 3 x times as much as you think is needed. Dry fire (gets some fake rouinds if you want) and them practice trigger pull and do it some more. No parts needed. If you have a handgun the shoots 2" right and 1.15" down then shoot in a way to correct it... NO $$$$$. it is your weapon and like a hammer, it will do what you tell it to. If it will not hit the nail it is your fault.
Amazing that a factory revolver is so poorly manufactured, Cylinder is not properly aligned, poor crown, action is not proper and timing is off. I do not think so. I love revolvers, own several made by Ruger, S&W, and Colt. None have the issues or missing refinements mentioned in this video. When I had one, Ruger fixed it immediately, and that was the cylinder chambers where too tight. The revolvers I have purchase are accurate, tight and smooth.
I'm with you brotha. I don't understand how they can tighten and improve the cylinder gap. The only way that I can imagine would be to have an oversized "raw" cylinder that could be filed down to create the tightest fit. Otherwise, how? Shims? I don't think so!
Next up...how can they modify the line-up of the chambers to the forcing cone? You have things like the cylinder bolt, pawl and ratchet that could be changed-out, but more important is the precision at which the chambers are bored into the cylinder. You can't move the chambers! Also, let's talk about notches on the cylinder where the so-called cylinder bolt (pin) engages. Those needs to be precisely cut at the FACTORY.
@@pagamenews I think they use shims. Basically really thin washers. Not 100% sure but I could swear I seen them at Brownells or Midway or some other parts company.
@@onionhead5780 yes, shimmed from the back with essentially tin foil. The differences are insanely small. They are talking about removing tolerance slop. This does make your gun more unreliable from long shooting sessions between cleaning. They may even pick up a few feet per second making hollow points more reliable in expansion. It’s all a trade off.
Do a little Google on the new Colt Python and, especially, King Cobra models. Damaged crowns, loose side plates, timing off, you name and Colt screwed it up.
I once saw the inside of a S&W Model 25 from 1976. Beautiful outside in a nice presentation box. The inside of the side plate and frame looked like an alcoholic fired from the Vega assembly line did the machining. Hammer and trigger both required multiple shims to reduce side-to-side slop. Trigger was horribad. Surfaces of rebound slide and where it contacted frame looked like washboards. No wonder the gun had barely been fired.
Now a pre-1960 Colt revolver? Those are mechanical beauties. So are Smith & Wessons from 1969 or earlier. If I were to buy a new revolver, I’d like to check out multiple examples of the same model until I found one that was put together right.
@@chipsterb4946 Then send it back to COLT. I happen to have a Cobra and it is beautifully made and well timed, no damage or other. Same for Smith and Wesson. On the other hand, if you buy used, then it may need work.
Can please you go more in-depth on pistol crown, please?
Dang! Who was yanking that trigger so hard?!
No talk of exit diameters or forcing cone?
Tell us where you grew the metal to reduce the cylinder gap - I haven’t had to accurize a revolver in 20 years, but I think we passed over a bunch of basic stuff in this little interview.
How much would this cost to have done?
You totally missed the core of the custom SA revolver, and that is the cylinder pin, which is obviously not as manufactured. Give a shout out to Belt Mountain.
I noticed the custom ruger had a higher front sight that the stock front sight. My flat top bisley in 44 special shoots several inches high at 25 yards. A higher front sight is something I am interested in.
I find it hysterical that you always have beverages sitting on your demo table :-)
Time for me to play "devil's advocate" with your statement. My guns tend to always have some sort of chemicals on the metal parts. Sometimes it's bore solvent in the barrel and chambers and sometimes its a rust inhibitor on the exterior metal parts. Guess what? I don't want my food and beverages anywhere NEAR those chemicals.
I knew a guy that was a gunsmith and had fallen ill with leukemia (it killed him). He felt that his health issues were related to the cleaning solvents that he used in his shop. I suspect he was right.
@@pagamenews you may be correct especially with aerosols. But I think he cups are there to be inviting and casual so they have a point as well. I personally try to avoid dangerous chemicals and use motor oil and Balistal as it is far less dangerous.
Some good explanation, still though, not a lot of “How to…”, as indicated in the title.
In fact, the only How-to was, “take it to a gunsmith. “
Just sayin’. Love your videos.
How about the same episode geared specifically to rimfire revolvers.
Do not buy taurus revolver. My model 94 transfer bar broke, and taurus wont fix it.
now hear me out, just give the idea a chance,
custom matchgrade M1879 Reichsrevolver
A black powder match pistol would be a weird flex
@@Ryan-de2gd but it woud be fun.
Revolvers are rough on my hands because your index finger has to be angled down and your fist is straight vertical. It's very uncomfortable. At least the glock and luger don't force your index finger to be angled down
bisley grip?
@@HircineDaWolf oh man that one hurts even more.
Try a Tyler T-grip?
@@ahessent I think the only good ones were the colt python style grip and the this tyler t grip
Cylinder chamber diameter has a lot to do with accuracy .
A lot of bunk......barrel crown and cylinder gap pressure loss? Bunk.....Revolvers do not have a 1 MOA accuracy and as long as there is a decent trigger pull and trigger brake the issue is the load work up for the pistol. Velocity and pressure and powder burn rate and bullet type are the key to accuracy. As an example testing by others for decades and my own reloading and shooting have shown the most accurate 44 mag hand gun load from a 5-/2" and 7-1/2" barrel for both Super Blackhawk and Redhawk is 210gr load with 26gr of Win296. The Keith 256gr hard cast with only 19gr of 2400 is a close second and both will shoot minute of beer can at 50yards all day long. The 210 gr is both accurate in Jacketed bullets and a gas checked hard cast Ideal#429215 which weighs just over 215gr with lube and gas check using 50% wheel weight and 50% Linotype. Practice and loads have a more dramatic affect of pistol accuracy as compared to Rifle accuracy and gun action work is minuscule on the scale of all things required to achieving accuracy from a revolver. Thats my opinion.
Minute of beer can at 50 yards!! That’s awesome.😁 I also reload, and I find my ammo, and revolvers are accurate enough for me! I’m not trying to hit a tick, or sweet pea at 50 yards.
I would like to know how much it cost for that man to do an action job on pistols. Dont have to be precise, but at least a ball park figure.
How to make your revolver more accurate.
#1 LEARN HOW TO SHOOT!
It's different with a double-action revolver than single action.
Practice!
I don't know about this one. Perhaps at the highest levels this matters, but I've shot a couple revolvers that were budget guns - think Taurus level - and they were incredibly accurate. Much more-so than my semi-autos, and much more than I will likely ever be. Would like to hear JM's opinion on this one.
Edit: Just realized - does this perhaps only apply to older revolvers? The aforementioned were built in the last 10-15 years.
Out of the box, with commercial tolerances, I think there can be a huge variation in the accuracy of as-built revolvers. I've seen some pre-1914 Webleys that had really precise timing and good lock-up. At uni, we have one little used ex-WW2 S&W Victory Model in .380 British (i.e. .38 S&W) that seemed really good and I discovered that it would shoot 1" groups for me at 25 metres. Probably the most accurate shooting I've ever done with a revolver was with a borrowed S&W .22 Model 17 - it was easily as accurate as I'd want for a .22. match pistol. Semi autos can be accurate too though...
It would be nice if you guys explained the vocabulary a bit more. What is a crown?
It is the end of the barrel the bullet exits. It needs to be smooth and symmetrical for the bullet to exit straight.
For all the naysayers commenting factory accuracy is good enough. This video isn't for you , keep scrolling. I completely understand most wont benefit from a more accurate pistol.
Is the guy on the left okay? 😅
Would not have been surprised if he just fell of the chair dead during the video :(
The revolver has nothing to do with accuracy. Neither is the estwing hammer.
The operator is solely responsible for accuracy.
This guy is definitely new to being behind the camera. He was stuttering allot and having a hard time explaining things.
God First And your point is? Everyone’s new at something sometime. I doubt that God approves of you just openly criticizing this gentleman for something so petty.
@@danielholtxxl4936 I take it as God wants us to have a teachable heart or maybe a thick skin and keep going.
so:
pay someone to make it more accurate
Practice duh!
Buy a 1911 they work ............👍
Put the revolver down and get a rifle
How to make a revolver more accurate?🤔 get the French, or the Germans make it😜 ie.. Korth combat... or Manurhin 73🤗
Please don't chew? Its awful.
first.