Classical Composer Reacts to LED ZEPPELIN: Dazed and Confused | The Daily Doug (Episode 663)
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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In this #masterpiecefriday edition of #thedailydoug, I'm returning to music by Led Zeppelin. In fact, with Dazed and Confused, this is the earliest LZ track I've yet reviewed on the channel. This song came to us via our current Fan Favorites Poll, and I decided to include it here on YT, listening to the original version and the LZ studio version before embarking on listens of more extended live performances. I love the song's vibe...especially the slithery descending bass line and the great guitar work. I hope you enjoy!
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Plant does not get in the way, he is another instrument in this band. The use of his vocal in this way is all through their discography. It's one of the defining elements of Led Zeppelin.
Nah, I disagree. He could be quite annoying.
I agree he was the fifth musician on Zep. How can he say Roberts singing is in the way? A rock band is the mixing of drums gutars and singing al blending together.
@@theborttheas much as I like Zeppelin, Plant is an acquired taste.
There are times you have to tune him out.
@@theborttheSTFU. Seriously.
One of the features of LZ is how well the band works in call and response. Vocal, drums, guitar. If one listens to a lot of LZ, one hears how well they echo each other and then expand or contract the repeats/ echos in the band's set piece. Plants vocals need to be heard as part of that. I also consider his vocals as another instrument of the band.
A large part of what made Zep who they are is the interplay between Plant's vocal and Page's guitar.
C'mon dude, the largest part was the swing between all the band members. Bonham gets a lot of credit as he should, but John Paul is underrated. Its not a joke when people imagine a fantasy rock band with greatest musicians and just come up with Led Zeppelin.
@@rykehuss3435 He's right I disagree with Doug's review of Roberts singing but he's the expert.. I just grew up with them through the70's.. The call and response between Page and Plant is Classic expertise.
@@rykehuss3435 I never said anything against Bonham or Jones and as a would be bass player I totally agree with your comments regarding Jones. Like it or not however it's always the show pony's up front who receive most of the praise and attention, when the sound would be shite without a solid rhythm section. Zep's was one of the best and most creative going, if not the best (I would have to include Moon and Entwistle in the list of options though).
I was responding to comments re Plant's vocals and I stand by my assertion.
The interplay between everyone and everything here is perfect for the rock'n roll Universe, but I'd agree that some of the vocal parts occasionally get exhaustive, mainly on live bits. But hey.. it's art, almost anything goes
Absolutely!!!
Robert plant was an absolute machine in this first album, his voice was high, powerful and very distorted, and consistently so.
I think almost every live performance of him in early 70 was absolutely insane
Yea. His dislike of Plant's vocals is almost laughable, not to mention his trying act like he's a "head" when all he smokes in his pipe is CBD. ZERO THC! 😆 I still enjoy him sometimes non-the-less.
Later Plant had something in his throat and his voice changed. He couldn't go so high anymore.
LMAO! this dude does not have a clue what Plant is doing with Page. @@hippydippy
PLANT is integral to the sound of Zeppelin. His input is MANDATORY. He and Jimmy interacted on their songs all the time. Those calls and responses were PART OF THE SONG.
Well said!
It seems you really aggravated the Plant crew
Yes the interaction between Page and Plant, is a great version of call and response.
@@dansoare6184dumb response
A technique that Zeppelin used frequently is called call and response. Page calls with notes on his guitar and Plant follows him mimicking him. It’s a beautiful thing.
yeah, thats a pretty common thing in a lot of classical music.
Also to add to that. John Bonham follows the lead guitar most of the time. Best example is Achilles Last Stand
"Shut up Plant", said no-one else ever..
I know, right? The arrogance is shocking. Literally the best rock lead singer.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
The call-and-response between Page and Plant is one of the things that made Led Zeppelin. It was Jimmy telling Robert to do so and then Robert using his instinct afterwards. Just watch the early footage and you'll see both of them interacting with each other and smiling. Greatest band of all time.
I could listen to Robert sing about a kitchen sink,I love his voice 😊Try "since I've been loving you" to get a sense of his vocal capability
Have you ever heard the Badge Holders" version?
Yes!! My all-time favorite Plant vocal performance.
My wife said he can make "go walking in the park every day" sound like the most incredible thing.
@@gliebzeit Yes, me too, along with The Rain Song from TSRTS.
…. and Bonham’s squeaky speed king bass pedal
I saw Led Zeppelin in concert in 1969 and 1970. They did this song both times. They were electrifying in person.
Would you mind telling me about the venues?
Me too.
Saw them in PHX in 1970. There were girls in the audience screaming as if it was the Beatles?!?! Absolutely amazing show. The violin bow section was in quad, with Jimmy directing where in the house the echoes went. Mind-blowing at the time!
Thank you for turning me on to the original!
The thing about so much of Plant's vocalizing is that it's often a duet with Jimmy, weaving a call and response. It becomes a lot more apparent in live performances of many of their songs. I'm always here for zeppelin.
It's called mirroring 👍
Doug, I think you need to re-listen to the beginning of the instrumental (where you say "Shut up, Robert!"). What's really cool here is that there is a double call and response taking place. Jimi calling, Plant responding. And at the same time, JPJ calling and Bonham responding.
The only person that needed to shut up was Doug himself… but it’s his channel so we’ll let it pass.
Thank you for pointing this out so succinctly. If one knows the history of “call & response” you are more likely to appreciate it.
I've always loved the call and response of Plant & Page, but I hadn't noticed that it's also happening with JPJ & Bonham at this point too. Years and years I've listened to this and never noticed, thanks!!
@@mikefowler5744 Don’t feel alone. It took me almost 50 years! 😂👨🏼🦳
He’s actually the most irritating, ignorant and arrogant reviewer I’ve ever seen on RUclips. That’s the last I’ll be watching of this guy.
I feel that Plant's voice is used as an instrument and pushes the creative side of vocals, love to see Doug air drum to "Moby Dick" :)))
This knocked me out completely when I heard it the first time...
and I never seem to get tired of it.
Their debut album definitely worth a full listen.
You think? 😂
Robert sings to Jimmy's guitar, and Jimmy plays to Roberts voice.
I've heard Jimmy say that he borrowed a lot of Roberts vocal licks to incorporate into his solos. Their call and response was something that defined their early improvisational style.
Are you kidding? I get chills every time I hear it. Just saw Led Zeppelin 2, very good musicians, lots of fun and very nostalgic.
I guy who lived down the hall from me in a college dorm told me that he passed out (stoned) during this song at a Led Zeppelin concert, and when he woke up, they were still playing this song.
"Shut up Robert I want to hear Jimmy play" HAHAHAHAHA I'm dying lmaooo
Your NUTS, Robert is the BEST, the back and forth between Robert and Jimmy is amazing; the BBC live album is quite FANTASTIC!
It's a preference, nothing more. I, too, can be irritated by Plant's voice, but also mesmerized. It is uneven..
@ulfingvar1 OK, when he over does the "Ma Ma Ma Ma" and that Rockabilly stuff, it's not so irritating, I just find it, kinda "CORNY"! But as much as I love Rush, I do find that some of Geddy's early vocals more on the irritating side!
One of the greatest features of Led Zeppelin, for me, was coined by a music critic back in the day (70's) and that was the "sensualizing" between Page and Plant. If you listen you can tell that they are sometimes doing call and response and sometimes immitation, etc.
So NO, Robert, do NOT shut up!!! That is a very unique charteristic of their playing together.
Robert does not get in the way!!! His singing is so full of passion. It’s hard to find another singer who has his emotional range.
Plant was incredible, particularly in the first 4 albums. If you haven't reviewed the 4th album you're missing out. Start with When the Levee Breaks
His best is the 5 th album Houses of the Holy. Incredible restraint.
That is particularly why I have never rated their albums from Houses of the Holy onwards including Physical Grafitti. Robert Plants vocals never sound so powerful.
Right, Zeppelin 4 was hard to beat
Robert Plant...greatest rock voice ever & his stage presence is unmatched🎶🎸🎶
Freddie Mercury says "wait a sec".
@@williamwagner5673 I get it!!😆 Just a matter of preference...love Freddie too!😁
Robert's voice has always been an instrument onto itself. The vocal ending on "Whole Lotta Love" from the soundtrack to "The Song Remains The Same" is incredible, especially after 2 hours of singing.
Rock was never the same after the first track of Led Zeppelin's first album. No guitar player was never the same, nor any drummer, nor any bass player nor any vocalist.
Fun fact - Jake Holmes also wrote the Army jingle "Be All That You Can Be."
Solid fact.
A call-and-response between Plant and Page and another one between JPJ and Bonzo both intertwined. Fantastic.
Plant had a powerful voice. He was an active lead and front and center in a lot of the tunes. Babe, I'm Going to Leave You is showcasing Robert's voice and one of the best rhythm sections in rock history. You Shook Me is one of my favorites. The Lemon Song from Zeppelin 2 is one of the best songs for Jones and Bonham, in my opinion. There's a lot of great music here to delve into!
The live version has some great visual work by Jimmy and his bow. Playing the audience as much as his guitar.
Yes, I saw them in 1970 at Madison Square Garden and Page would bless each section of the audience by first hitting his guitar with the bow and hitting the audience while the slow delay repeated the sound. It was a memorable visual.
I love what Robert's doing with his vocals. His vocals are always related to Jimmy's guitars. It's always an exchange.
oh man. once you start listening to led zeppelin, you don't stop.
Thank you so much for doing the studio version first. Their whole first album might be the best debut album from any band ever. Either that or Queen 1. Robert Plant was only 19 when they recorded this! As I’ve said in other forums, while I don’t know that they’re my FAVORITE band (although they might be), and I think The Beatles are the most IMPORTANT rock band, I think Zeppelin is the GREATEST band ever.
Love Zepplin. They are easily in my top 5 favorites and usually my top band along with Rush. Also love Queen. But probably the best debut album is Boston's Boston.
ELP's debut is the best debut album by a band.
@@ScienceTalkwithJimMassa
Ohhhh
What a amazing group ELP
This one is my favorite tune from Led Zeppelin. A blues number turning into a psychedelic track with such a powerful solo and going back again. The whole piece is so energetic and wild.
Thank You for reviewing it. And now me and my neighbors will listen to it again 😅
You are wrong about Plant. He is THE voice of hard rock. His vocal interplay with Page, passionate delivery, and seductive moans and wails are key elements in LZ’s popularity and success.
Hello Doug, I am glad you listened to Dazed and Confused, an absolute classic for any Led Zeppelin fan, including me. I understand your concerns with Plant's voice, I absolutely love his voice tho. The thing was he was improvising his voice like an instrument alongside Page, so that the band has four predominant and different but woven together instrumental sounds. If you wanna hear how incredibly gorgeous his voice is you should check out songs like Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, Thank You, Ramble On, Tangerine, Stairway To Heaven, Going To California, Battle Of Evermore, Over The Hills And Far Away, The Rain Song, Ten Years Gone, In The Light, Kashmir, Down By The Seaside. I genuinely believe they are the greatest band ever to make music and they have something worth enjoying for every music lover no matter what. Hope you'll find this useful.
Love your videos still.
I think Robert's call and response with Jimmy was pretty cool. I've never heard the original so thanks for that.
Plant was a freak of a voice . He was young and screaming and gave it all. And it was never quite the same after that.
Doug, you should listen to the entire first Led Zeppelin album. You'll really be surprised by Robert's voice. Also, please react to "You Shook Me" from the first album. Thanks! 🙂
Great album! In particular I think Good Times Bad Times is essential Zep, at least I'm sure drummers will agree with me?! 👌😎
@@JohnLRiceGTBT is sort of pop music by LZ’s standards. I hope he does Babe I’m Gonna Leave You and How Many More Times… even You Shook Me is a masterful piece.
Led Zep’s debut record has been a lifeline for me. Best debut in history as far as I’m concerned.
@@MJEvermore853 From a drummer's perspective it's a difficult song to play correctly. I've heard a lot of people give it a good try but I almost never hear anyone get it exactly right! That's why it's such a standout to me. 🙂 And in general I'm not much of a fan of the blues which usually seems more like pop music to me. 🤷♂
The problem for Jake Holmes copyright is that, not only is this not the same words or melody, but there was older blues songs with the same general story. Their biggest problem is they didn't change the name of the song.
The live version from their feature film is absolute pandemonium. Jimmy plays like a possessed person. The rhythm section is phenomenal. It’s 30 minutes long so put your seatbelt on…
Great that you played the original, I had not heard it before.
I really liked the early psychedelic feel.
@@letsgomets002I'm thinking he was referring to the Jake Holmes version. I probably didn't hear it until after 2000 when I was in my 30's. It was probably late 90's when I heard a radio program that played a lot of songs that Zeppelin had covered or reworked.
I think you missed my meaning. Of course I have heard the song, but never the Jake Holmes original.
Led Zeppelin fan since i dunno when. 61 now and never heard the original by Jake Holmes, did not even know that it is a cover
You can be critical of Robert Plant's singing (how can that be?), but this is one of the BEST vocal performances EVER! For me, he is the best singer ever.
Robert had an incredible voice! It's still pretty good nowadays too. :)
Doug, if you're not that familiar with LZ, you should be listening to the first and second albums in particular. It's heady stuff and Plant's singing is amazing.
"Shut up Robert, i wanna hear him play",,,,
Doug,, You have no idea how many times i have yelled that at you! 😂
"Shut up, Robert, I wanna hear Jimmy play." would have gotten your ass kicked in my high school.
Never heard Holmes' original track before. Very cool and fresh sounding for that time.
I had to chuckle at your annoyance with Plant's vocal parts. He was definitely busy on most Zep tunes lol.
But this song is so iconic to me, and every band member killed it imo.
I hadn't heard it either but its vocally similar to the way Keith Relf sings it with Jimmy and the rest of The Yardbirds. The Yardbirds version is a lot closer to the Zeppelin version and you can clearly see the way Jimmy is wanting the band to go. Its on youtube if you haven't seen it from 1968, just before Zeppelin started playing it.
@@jacksprat9172 Yep, sure have seen the Yardbird's version. I always thought it was cool , because it's raw and always cool to see any band exploring unfamiliar territory.👍
I saw Led Zepp live at the Sydney showgrounds, around 1973 where the live version of Dazed and confused blew us all away. Pages bowing of his twin necked guitar was outstanding mastery.
My favourite version is on the double album "The Song Remains The Same", more than 26 minutes! Just awesome!
Always loved the first album. And this was one of my faves from that album. Bought in the 70’s
If you don't like the chemistry and dialogue between Page and Plant, you don't know anything about Led Zeppelin
There is nothing to "know," you either like it or you don't.
@@ulfingvar1 Taste comes from knowledge, after all, I can't say I like it or don't like it without knowing it. To say that Robert Plant is "messing up" Page's guitar, in a single cut, is to be ignorant of the truth.
@@KaracGaltran I agree. Think about how John Bonham complimented Jimmy Page Guitar. He, John, played the way he did for the drum beats to coincide with the beat Jimmy would play..There was a intricate web weaved between the two. I think if Jimmy didnt like Robert doing his little diddies over his guitar in some places he probably would had told him to stay quiet while he played his solos or special part that he played.
Can’t believe he said Shut Up Robert. Wtf
Agreed, that was a stupid comment for him to make@@PaulyV56
I guess we all have our opinions….. I happen to love Robert’s instrument! They blend and feed off of each other! This is one of their finest qualities!
The live `1973 MSG version will blow your mind.
You know he has never ever missed a single air drum beat, impeccable, actually amazing! :)
I'm 69, saw them live three times, they were all incredible and really fitted the times and have stood the test of time, plants voice is incredible
Doug, you need to listen to the live version to understand Robert's singing, I think. His voice is part of the music, and one of their most famous acts... you have to see what is all about.. I'm looking forward for the reaction to the live version!
Also, Zeppelin's first album is a masterpiece. There's not a single "regular" song in it. I would say is one of the best debut albums in history!
Amazed and Blown Away that this hasn't been blocked.
Doug, btw, you need to review the live version of this song on the Song Remains the Same soundtrack. It is one of the greatest live rock performances ever recorded. After, you will never be the same.
Yes, 100%
Absolutely!
This might be the most true statement ever made 💯
The How The West Was Won rendition is superior
That's actually the version I proposed for the Patreon Fan Favorites "Epic Songs" and caused a bit of discussion (Doug talks about it at the beginning). There were some colorful responses to the suggestion (someone saying he would stick his head in the oven if the TSRTS version was chosen).
“Hey Led Zeppelin guys, I got a good song for you…” [Jimmy Page] My favorite quote.
Doug, you are amazing. You make me happy.
It blows my mind how great that band was. Their timing and rhythms in these songs were amazing. Sabbath has that capability too.
Early Zeppelin really brought me into classic 70s rock. I really like how they sounded in this album, at least for first 3 album. They still have that 60s psychedelia rock feels.
Back when they were all young they all were pretty fast and loose about grabbing others songs and making their own version. It was not a shocking thing we think of today. They all did it. There are so many references throughout the pop world of this excercise in creativity.
Elizabeth Zharoff of The Charismatic Voice has given Plants vocals glowing reviews with detailed analysis
I find Plant’s vocals otherworldly. In his prime, IMO, he is the greatest rock singer of all time. This song and the album is part of the birth of metal with those incredibly powerful guitar, drums, and vocals. It’s a mind blowing masterpiece!
Like others here has said, I think of Plants vocals as not only the deliverer of the lyrics but as an instrument among the others in the band.
He's hitting the body of the acoustic guitar on the Jake Holmes version.
Yes, indeed. How a musician like Doug could not understand that is a mystery.
I heard the 1st Led Zeppelin LP in late 1969 when I was just 13, my cousin had moved to Ednburgh to go to art school and was renting a tiny railway man's cottage near Haymarket Station ..... it was there I got introduced to rock music as my parents were keen opera fans "pop" wasn't much allowed at home ...... Led Zep 1 along with Bowie's Ziggy Stardust are both "Where the heck did that come from" moments to me.
Thank you for the history lesson about The Yardsbirds/Led Zeppelin! Super interesting!
Thanks for analyzing this song!!! as someone born in 75 I was alyways a bit late to the party,,,,but you just can not undrer estimate the influence Led Zepplin had on contemporary music! Would love to hear you oppininion on how they changed the ,musical landscape for years to come...cheers JP
In the classical world, this would be called "Variations on a theme by Holmes". They were pretty bad about acknowledging their sources, but that was very common in the industry at that time.
Good point. I'm reminded of Liszt's piano transcriptions & extensions of music by Verdi and other composers' orchestral & vocal works. Liszt had his name in big letters on the front page of the score, though. 😂
Any time you want to do more Led Zeppelin, I'm here for it!
Was lucky enough to se them live at Olympia Stadium in Detroit 1970, Great!
I was driving with a friend in North Miami Beach one night, as we drove by this club we saw on the marquee Led Zepplin. My friend asked me isn't that Jimmy Paige's new band? We turned around and went in and watched Led Zepplin play for a couple hours. I remember Dazed and Confused. FYI there were only maybe 30 people there.
I saw LZ in concert
... long, long time ago
Dazed and Confused was a highlight that night in NYC.
Great review, Doug ...
... You RoCk ...
I’m a Zeppelin super fan and personally i think their first album is their best, you definitely need to dive into it more. Babe Im Gonna Leave You, Communication Breakdown, How Many More Times, Good Times Bad Times are all great tracks. Plant had issues with vocal chords in 1972 which kind of changed the way he sings on the later albums
Every technically great band of musicians you like would give a limb just to have a tenth of Zeppelin’s charisma and songwriting ability
Thanks for playing the original, cool to hear both renditions! I like the "history lesson".
"Shut up Robert", said no one ever - apart from Doug! Listen to more and you'll hopefully come around to the fact he's one of the greatest rock vocalists ever, if not the best.
The first rock guitarist to use a violin bow was Eddie Phillips with the band called The Creation. This album was released in 1967. Jimmy Page started using one approximately a year later with The Yardbirds. ✌️
My brother gave me this album when it came out, I still have it. You definitely need to listen to more.❤
Thank you for uncovering this song. Friends and i, in 1970s, ran the Led Zeppelin version through circuitry, speaker and mirror, ending in a laser beaming to a building. The early bass notes became loops.
Saw them play this live in 77...the GOATS!
Plant himself will say that when he hears these old cuts he thinks "Oh, just shut up already".. But it's what was happening at the time, and Page obviously liked it--he's the one at the console working the sliders...
Thank you for you review of this song Doug. The more I listen to it, and I've listened to it a lot over the years as a big Zeppelin fan, the more more I hear a transition from psychedelia to the birth of heavy metal. Then, you have those unearthly vocals from Plant. Those early Zep albums for me establish Plant as the greatest rock singer of all -time! The power, the range, and that unearthly quality he can produce at any time is chilling!
Sometimes you just crave to hear a particular element of a song in a moment
I saw Zep back in the early 70's at the LA Forum, it was epic ! I remember Jimmy with the guitar and his bow so clearly. The best time and music for me. ☮ and 💜 dear friends
Your Time Is Gonna Come off this album is my number 1. I know you would get a kick out of te organ intro.
Re: Plant - to each his own I guess, Plant's voice is incredible and largely unparalleled on their first 2 albums IMO. It's a veritable roar on this song
By 1973 his voice was shot though.
@@sspbrazilThe voice had a great rebound post 1977
@@ADITYASINGH-vc4gm that is true.
I have been listening to led zeppelin since their debut album. IMHO ir is the best of their discography. #2 comes close, but this album is it. Zero filler tracks. Killer pipe
Totally agree
Which is the filler track on 4?
Cool, I'm glad you did the Jake Holmes original first and then the studio version of Led Zeppelin. 😎👍 I really think the new accreditation should read "Written by Jake Holmes, Arranged by Jimmy Page/The Yardbirds/Led Zeppelin" but maybe they offered Jake Holmes a pile of cash he couldn't refuse? 😅
The point of the first two albums is how much heavier they were than anything else yet released. I heard II before I, it changed my appreciation of what riffs could be.
Zeppelin 2 is by far track for track my favorite overall but "Rain song" is probably my favorite song
Agree about Rain Song, especially this version: ruclips.net/video/BeDylD8dV7U/видео.htmlsi=VXH8aHdQ5zlydJtx
Ive only heard the 34 minute live LZ version of Dazed and Confused before this. This is certainly is different than this original. In the 34 minute version, Page's bow violin/guitar extends to most of 10 minutes of the duration of the song, broken bow strings and all. Page played his heart out in this version, as he always does.❤
"How Many More Times " (the Live Danmarks Radio show 1969) Awesome version of that song from the first album. Highly under rated song from the album too.
Absolutely underrated song! It’s one of the very best songs they’ve ever done and that mid-section is so dark & eerie… it’s incredible.
Not many people, even Zep fans, rarely even bring it up. Except for the live version at Danmarks studio and the one from Royal Albert Hall. To me, the studio version is tops and can’t be improved upon!
Listening to Zeppelin and saying "Shut up, Robert!"? Well, that's different.
Thanks for playing the original. I dig it. I'd never heard it and had just assumed it was originally an old blues tune.
I saw Led Zeppelin at the NY State Pavilion August 1969 when I was 17. For those not familiar it was left over from the 64-65 World's Fair. It was open sided with a translucent roof that reflected the sound. If you've seen Men in Black the giant cockroach climbs the pavilion toward the end of the movie. Anyway I was inside the first night and the show was incredible. It was mostly the first album but also some from the 2nd album which had not yet been released. Dazed and Confused closed the show and it Plant's voice just blew me away. We didn't have tickets for the 2nd night but being open air we figured we could hear them. Not only did we hear them but it was not dissimilar to being inside. The sound reflecting off the roof made it clear over Flushing Meadows park. I'll never forget it. For me the true test of a band is how they sound live. Led Zeppelin live on some songs actually sounded better than the studio album. Dazed and Confused was one of them.
Every album has it's fans, but for me their debut is the most consistent, and what a statement of intent, they hit the ground running. The fact they recorded it so quickly gives all the tracks an immediacy, (barring a few tasteful overdubs) it feels like a performance of a well practised band, the chemistry and interaction is there right from the start. The production is warm, and although Bonham was rarely happy with the way his drums sounded in the studio, I think they are showcased so effectively on this album with a lot of depth and power, his fills still sound thrilling even after over 5 decades of listening to this song.
Says "Shut up Robert I wanna hear Jimmy play" twice, then hits the pipe. Absolutely brilliant 😂.