Higher end actions: $1700 to over $2000 High end stocks start at $900+ High end triggers - $300+ Top barrels, pre-turned blanks - $450+ Bottom metal kits/floor plates, mags - $300+ Those components alone indeed just under to just over $4000 Cut, crown, chamber, blast, engrave barrel, thread muzzle - $350 and up depending on builder Bed action - $250+ Cerakote or similar - $200+ depending on what all was done Flute barrel, flute bolt, and on and on, all adds up Depending on who builds the rifle, I've seen smith fees from $650 to $3000, obviously depending on what all is done.
Before I got to the end I was going to say with know disrespect you haven’t owned enough Savages . I have may that will do 1/2 “ and less out of the box . Thanks for all you share with us . Can’t wait until the next build . I wish my custom XC would shot like the ones you build
I think part of the fun of collecting is finding those rare Easter eggs. Those guns that punch way above their weight. Finding those rifles or pistols where you got more than you paid for.
Case in point. I had two Christensen Arms Mesa Long Range rifles. Both stainless barrels, and the 308 would shoot .5-.75 with federal gold medal 168 smk’s. I also had one in 300 wm and the BEST I could ever manage was 1-1.5”. That’s it!
Boy, super man did you hit the nail on the head with that statement . You are 10,000%, right. Most people are followers first of all . They will accept a lie that best fits their narrative and will embrace it more when others agree with and support it like most all the liberals do .Because the truth is a hard pill to swallow for most people/liberals. The closer the truth hits home, and they have to accept their own faults and wrong doings . The more they embrace the lie over truth . I have never understood why people would rather lose it all for a lie verse accepting their wrong and telling the Truth no matter how bad it makes them feel or look to others. Now Factory mass produced Vehicles and firearms are like a box of chocolates you never know what your going to get (courtesy of Forrest Gump) lol . Sometimes you find a really good factory rifle a diamond in the rough. When a factory rifle won't consistently shoot at least a 3/4 inch after we do everything we can and gave it every Opportunity . We buy a new barrel for it and save that barrel for testing, or fire forming exc. Iam sooo glad Outlier barrels hit the market they have an outstanding warranty with a 1/2-MOA guarantee or they will replace it free of charge. We have been using outlier barrels for over a year now . They are very accurate barrels and half the price of anyone else. Quarter minute magnum you are one of a select few gunsmiths that make and builds incredibly GOOD rifles . Mr. Jerrett with Jerrett coustom rifles makes a damn good rifle , so Randy's coustoms and Cooper rifles are really good . Hill-top-gun Smiths , Bob Green, Shirley brothers, Bryant coustoms. I also like precision barrel works , Robert's precision, Hill County Rifles are pretty good. You get what you pay for firearms world . I really like the hammer forged barrels or drop forging barrels . Also C.H.F cold hammer forged barrels are really good .Button-rifled barrels are amazing. Stainless barrels are really good also . I can talk forever about firearms their components reloading fishing slinging Arrows all those fun and exciting activities. God bless you and your family.God bless america 🇺🇸🇨🇱 🇺🇲 🇨🇱 🇺🇲🇨🇱🇺🇲🇨🇱.
Extreme success in anything is more costly and should be much harder to get to then what the average person is going to access. I have enjoyed my own learning process of taking decent rifles and working to make myself and them better. For me it isn’t just about holes in the paper or the sound of steel, yeah that is a big part. The process of learning to be better at reloading, at brass prepping, position behind the rifle, setting up the gun, bedding the gun, swapping stocks, barrels, etc etc has been both frustrating and rewarding. I have the money, the easy part is having some phenomenal gunsmith build me a great gun and then what. I shoot small groups and have no idea why. Someday I will pay that money and I will appreciate the craftsmanship and quality and knowledge it took for that expert to build the firearm. I appreciate this channel because I get to learn something every time.
A lot of good points being made , some of us can’t afford a custom rifle so off the shelve has to be good enough , we practice a lot maybe some of us reload to try and tighten the groups up some , we learn to read wind , of all the off the shelve rifles I have they have all killed game out to 300-350 yards , I choose not to shoot further then that, some shoot 1/2” some 1” and a couple 1 1/2” but they all get the job done
Thing is that 90%+ of the accuracy is in the barrel. So if you take a decent factory gun and bed it into a nice stock and put a properly smithed after market barrel on it(fitted to your action and not a prefit for best results) you can produce an accurate(sub half minute) rifle MOST of the time. I've seen many savage and rem700 actions win benchrest competitions with a good stock/trigger/barrel on them. From my experience Tikka/Sako seem to be the best off the shelf these days although I wish they used a more common tennon and didn't torque the barrels to 250ft/lbs from the factory. The biggest benefit to aftermarket actions(I run BAT and Borden) is tighter tolerances and better implemented fire control. The smoother action also helps not to upset the gun when you cycle them but if your routine is tight then this is purely convenience.
There are plenty of factory guns out there that have crummy barrels, no doubt. But I also have to wonder how many factory rifles started out with a decent combo of components... But were put together by ham-fisted gorillas who butchered any chance of accuracy by assembling the platform with a jackhammer.
Every guarantee I've seen has been "1 moa 3 shot groups at 100 with factory match ammo." That's a fairly low bar considering how much manufacturing tech has improved barrel quality over the years.
Not to dispute you, but my first high power competition gun was a Remington 40-X in .308. It would shoot 1/2” groups at 100 yds. with my hand loads. And, I was new at hand loading too. That was with iron sights mostly. My eyes were 40 years younger then!
It's a simple bell curve. Statically the major of factory guns would not meet a rifleman standard. You will have outliers but they will be far and few. If you want a accurate rifle you have to build it.
A hunting rifle with decent accuracy isn't hard to come by, most of them are fine. Accept 1-1.5 MOA and you'll be happy. However to get an ultra accurate target gun is another story entirely. That last 0.5 MOA improvement is going to cost you...
This is what I've found as well, i.e. "You aren't going to take an inch and three quarters gun and make it shoot half inch groups at 100 yards.". In my experience, good barrels shoot well from the start and the good barrels I've found aren't picky on ammo. Maybe you could get one that shoots one type of bullet really well and not others but that hasn't been my personal experience. For instance I have a Tikka CTR that shot < 0.5 MOA (on average for 5-shot groups) literally out of the box with no load development whatsoever. It has shot almost everything I tried in it with similar results. Bullets it absolutely hates will average ~0.8 MOA.
As Scott was trying to explain, it is often a case of diminishing returns. It is not all about accuracy either IMHO. Sure there are many boutique rifle makers out there that give sub MOA for about half the price as MQM, and if that is all you can afford then great. The end product for QMM is far greater than the sum of the parts. These guns are legacy items to be handed down to future generations. What I know about gunsmithing you can put on the head of a pin, but it should be obvious to all viewers that MQM builds the very best at a fair price. As I am now in my 70s, it concerns me that what QMM does is a dying art. It is a blessing that he makes these videos so as to pass along knowledge gained over many years. I think maybe there is a bit of jealousy on my part since I can't afford what Scott offers and by the time that I can get him to build me a legacy rifle I may be too old to have fun with it. Anyway, sir, I am heartened to see Austin finally able to make it down to see you.
I've seen a savage go from 2" to .66. of course savage 110 are inherently accurate. 400$-600$ complete. Trigger replacement. Loose scope mount and rings. Action had a ding and the inlet of the stock had a wood chip that was sticking up stuck in there. That got buzzed off carefully, the ding in the action too. Action torqued in good trigger adjusted down safely. Solid rest federal gold medal match ammo. Was a pain and not really worth it but on close examining and lots of pondering and one thing at a time to ensure we knew what worked or if anything got worse we could undo it and Walla
Oh boy🎉😂. And yea. I agree🎉what I seen anyways 🎉🎉and who cares about moa for a hunting rifle 🎉 folks have delusions of grandeur as usual 😂🎉 I got 3/4 out my M77 somehow but it took awhile 🎉🎉 just not worth the pain🎉🎉😊. You speak the truth 🎉 I just build my own 🎉
Trying to convince someone of the value of a full custom rifle is like trying to sway someone from a honda civic to a ferrari pista.......you either see the value for yourself or you don't.......spend your money accordingly.
I love custom rifles and i agree full heartedly that well put together custom rifles from good components are better than factory rifles, now that said we have a tikka t3x varmint in 223 rem that with handloads shoots most of the groups on the bell curve statistically under .5 moa lots at .3 moa, also 2 savage axis rifles that average .75 moa or better , a winchester model 70 featherweight in 7mm-08 that averages under .75 moa. All these are with handloads but my point is if you cant afford to build a custom rifle you can certainly get great results from some factory rifles, oh and alos the rem 700 varmint the cheap plastic stock versio that also shot very accurate groups. Just get out and do your best
My my my everyone I know must be really lucky to have 95% of rifles bought to shoot so well…….. how do we try to promote not shooting over 300 yards but then saying gotta pay $6000 to shoot sub moa. I would love to have a custom rifle but I have been terribly lucky and haven’t needed one to shoot under an inch………
Barrels, bullets, and brass. The 3 B's of rifle accuracy. Yes, there a lot of other factors, but the 3 B's are not negotiable. If you buy a $600 gun, throw the barrel away and replace it before you waste even a single round through your new gun.
Weatherby's can shoot; Weatherby cartridges, built as custom guns, can shoot well. Many were used in 1,000 yard competition late 1960 - 1970's. Thanks..................
Like you want you do her 👌but a disgrace with your have you tried tikka sako sauer blaser It's not unusual for these rifles to shoot 1/2 or under. With hand lodes
I have multiple factory guns that will shoot sub moa out of the box with factory ammunition Kimber 6.5 creed Christensen arms 300wm REM 40x 300wm Tc encore 22-250 REM 700 classic 220 swift How’s 6 Arc And 4 custom builds 6.5 prc,7mm prc 6 creed, 25 creed
Higher end actions: $1700 to over $2000
High end stocks start at $900+
High end triggers - $300+
Top barrels, pre-turned blanks - $450+
Bottom metal kits/floor plates, mags - $300+
Those components alone indeed just under to just over $4000
Cut, crown, chamber, blast, engrave barrel, thread muzzle - $350 and up depending on builder
Bed action - $250+
Cerakote or similar - $200+ depending on what all was done
Flute barrel, flute bolt, and on and on, all adds up
Depending on who builds the rifle, I've seen smith fees from $650 to $3000, obviously depending on what all is done.
Before I got to the end I was going to say with know disrespect you haven’t owned enough Savages . I have may that will do 1/2 “ and less out of the box . Thanks for all you share with us . Can’t wait until the next build . I wish my custom XC would shot like the ones you build
I think part of the fun of collecting is finding those rare Easter eggs. Those guns that punch way above their weight. Finding those rifles or pistols where you got more than you paid for.
Case in point. I had two Christensen Arms Mesa Long Range rifles. Both stainless barrels, and the 308 would shoot .5-.75 with federal gold medal 168 smk’s. I also had one in 300 wm and the BEST I could ever manage was 1-1.5”. That’s it!
Doesn’t matter how much you spend or how high quality your components are if you can’t read wind and shoot with high level fundamentals.
He is spot on.....
Boy, super man did you hit the nail on the head with that statement . You are 10,000%, right. Most people are followers first of all . They will accept a lie that best fits their narrative and will embrace it more when others agree with and support it like most all the liberals do .Because the truth is a hard pill to swallow for most people/liberals. The closer the truth hits home, and they have to accept their own faults and wrong doings . The more they embrace the lie over truth . I have never understood why people would rather lose it all for a lie verse accepting their wrong and telling the Truth no matter how bad it makes them feel or look to others. Now Factory mass produced Vehicles and firearms are like a box of chocolates you never know what your going to get (courtesy of Forrest Gump) lol . Sometimes you find a really good factory rifle a diamond in the rough. When a factory rifle won't consistently shoot at least a 3/4 inch after we do everything we can and gave it every Opportunity . We buy a new barrel for it and save that barrel for testing, or fire forming exc. Iam sooo glad Outlier barrels hit the market they have an outstanding warranty with a 1/2-MOA guarantee or they will replace it free of charge. We have been using outlier barrels for over a year now . They are very accurate barrels and half the price of anyone else. Quarter minute magnum you are one of a select few gunsmiths that make and builds incredibly GOOD rifles . Mr. Jerrett with Jerrett coustom rifles makes a damn good rifle , so Randy's coustoms and Cooper rifles are really good . Hill-top-gun Smiths , Bob Green, Shirley brothers, Bryant coustoms. I also like precision barrel works , Robert's precision, Hill County Rifles are pretty good. You get what you pay for firearms world . I really like the hammer forged barrels or drop forging barrels . Also C.H.F cold hammer forged barrels are really good .Button-rifled barrels are amazing. Stainless barrels are really good also . I can talk forever about firearms their components reloading fishing slinging Arrows all those fun and exciting activities. God bless you and your family.God bless america 🇺🇸🇨🇱 🇺🇲 🇨🇱 🇺🇲🇨🇱🇺🇲🇨🇱.
Appreciated................thanks.
Extreme success in anything is more costly and should be much harder to get to then what the average person is going to access. I have enjoyed my own learning process of taking decent rifles and working to make myself and them better. For me it isn’t just about holes in the paper or the sound of steel, yeah that is a big part.
The process of learning to be better at reloading, at brass prepping, position behind the rifle, setting up the gun, bedding the gun, swapping stocks, barrels, etc etc has been both frustrating and rewarding.
I have the money, the easy part is having some phenomenal gunsmith build me a great gun and then what. I shoot small groups and have no idea why. Someday I will pay that money and I will appreciate the craftsmanship and quality and knowledge it took for that expert to build the firearm.
I appreciate this channel because I get to learn something every time.
Don't wait until Scott decides to retire....
@@cacinaz8802😊
A lot of good points being made , some of us can’t afford a custom rifle so off the shelve has to be good enough , we practice a lot maybe some of us reload to try and tighten the groups up some , we learn to read wind , of all the off the shelve rifles I have they have all killed game out to 300-350 yards , I choose not to shoot further then that, some shoot 1/2” some 1” and a couple 1 1/2” but they all get the job done
Thing is that 90%+ of the accuracy is in the barrel. So if you take a decent factory gun and bed it into a nice stock and put a properly smithed after market barrel on it(fitted to your action and not a prefit for best results) you can produce an accurate(sub half minute) rifle MOST of the time. I've seen many savage and rem700 actions win benchrest competitions with a good stock/trigger/barrel on them. From my experience Tikka/Sako seem to be the best off the shelf these days although I wish they used a more common tennon and didn't torque the barrels to 250ft/lbs from the factory. The biggest benefit to aftermarket actions(I run BAT and Borden) is tighter tolerances and better implemented fire control. The smoother action also helps not to upset the gun when you cycle them but if your routine is tight then this is purely convenience.
I must be lucky !
There are plenty of factory guns out there that have crummy barrels, no doubt.
But I also have to wonder how many factory rifles started out with a decent combo of components... But were put together by ham-fisted gorillas who butchered any chance of accuracy by assembling the platform with a jackhammer.
How do all these rifle companies guarantee sub MOA if they shoot that bad?
Ever been to a public range?
Every guarantee I've seen has been "1 moa 3 shot groups at 100 with factory match ammo."
That's a fairly low bar considering how much manufacturing tech has improved barrel quality over the years.
They don't guarantee sub MOA every group that they shoot. If they get one three shot group out of 20 they say it is good
Not to dispute you, but my first high power competition gun was a Remington 40-X in .308. It would shoot 1/2” groups at 100 yds. with my hand loads. And, I was new at hand loading too. That was with iron sights mostly. My eyes were 40 years younger then!
Douglas Barrels were on the Ruger 77’s.
You're building a case for everybody going out and buying a TIKKA! Best "BANG" for the buck.
Depends on your requirements............Thanks.
It's a simple bell curve. Statically the major of factory guns would not meet a rifleman standard. You will have outliers but they will be far and few.
If you want a accurate rifle you have to build it.
Build it, then test it..................thanks.
A hunting rifle with decent accuracy isn't hard to come by, most of them are fine. Accept 1-1.5 MOA and you'll be happy. However to get an ultra accurate target gun is another story entirely. That last 0.5 MOA improvement is going to cost you...
Very true - the final 0.25" even more so. Thanks.
This is what I've found as well, i.e. "You aren't going to take an inch and three quarters gun and make it shoot half inch groups at 100 yards.". In my experience, good barrels shoot well from the start and the good barrels I've found aren't picky on ammo. Maybe you could get one that shoots one type of bullet really well and not others but that hasn't been my personal experience. For instance I have a Tikka CTR that shot < 0.5 MOA (on average for 5-shot groups) literally out of the box with no load development whatsoever. It has shot almost everything I tried in it with similar results. Bullets it absolutely hates will average ~0.8 MOA.
Thank you.........very nice.
As Scott was trying to explain, it is often a case of diminishing returns. It is not all about accuracy either IMHO. Sure there are many boutique rifle makers out there that give sub MOA for about half the price as MQM, and if that is all you can afford then great. The end product for QMM is far greater than the sum of the parts. These guns are legacy items to be handed down to future generations. What I know about gunsmithing you can put on the head of a pin, but it should be obvious to all viewers that MQM builds the very best at a fair price. As I am now in my 70s, it concerns me that what QMM does is a dying art. It is a blessing that he makes these videos so as to pass along knowledge gained over many years. I think maybe there is a bit of jealousy on my part since I can't afford what Scott offers and by the time that I can get him to build me a legacy rifle I may be too old to have fun with it. Anyway, sir, I am heartened to see Austin finally able to make it down to see you.
Appreciated...........
So my question is . Is it worth putting a highend barrel on a factory action ?
If it is a quality receiver that has been blue printed............
I've seen a savage go from 2" to .66. of course savage 110 are inherently accurate. 400$-600$ complete. Trigger replacement. Loose scope mount and rings. Action had a ding and the inlet of the stock had a wood chip that was sticking up stuck in there. That got buzzed off carefully, the ding in the action too. Action torqued in good trigger adjusted down safely. Solid rest federal gold medal match ammo. Was a pain and not really worth it but on close examining and lots of pondering and one thing at a time to ensure we knew what worked or if anything got worse we could undo it and Walla
Oh boy🎉😂. And yea. I agree🎉what I seen anyways 🎉🎉and who cares about moa for a hunting rifle 🎉 folks have delusions of grandeur as usual 😂🎉 I got 3/4 out my M77 somehow but it took awhile 🎉🎉 just not worth the pain🎉🎉😊. You speak the truth 🎉 I just build my own 🎉
Mr Q.M.M. sir, any opinions on the Sakko rifle, and weatherby mark 5's, just anything in general, id love to hear your thoughts, GRACIAS
Not enough experience with them................
@@quarterminutemagnums 👍
Trying to convince someone of the value of a full custom rifle is like trying to sway someone from a honda civic to a ferrari pista.......you either see the value for yourself or you don't.......spend your money accordingly.
My buddy has a 40x in .222
👍👍
I love custom rifles and i agree full heartedly that well put together custom rifles from good components are better than factory rifles, now that said we have a tikka t3x varmint in 223 rem that with handloads shoots most of the groups on the bell curve statistically under .5 moa lots at .3 moa, also 2 savage axis rifles that average .75 moa or better , a winchester model 70 featherweight in 7mm-08 that averages under .75 moa. All these are with handloads but my point is if you cant afford to build a custom rifle you can certainly get great results from some factory rifles, oh and alos the rem 700 varmint the cheap plastic stock versio that also shot very accurate groups. Just get out and do your best
600 dollar cz and a 600 dollar remington 700 both sub MOA with my loads. Whatever 🙄
My my my everyone I know must be really lucky to have 95% of rifles bought to shoot so well…….. how do we try to promote not shooting over 300 yards but then saying gotta pay $6000 to shoot sub moa. I would love to have a custom rifle but I have been terribly lucky and haven’t needed one to shoot under an inch………
Limited perspective..........learn and grow.
I agree a custom rifle is a lot better gun, but you're building 1 vs. 1000s built by a manufacturer
Plus you can test it before it gets to the customer.................thanks.
Barrels, bullets, and brass. The 3 B's of rifle accuracy. Yes, there a lot of other factors, but the 3 B's are not negotiable. If you buy a $600 gun, throw the barrel away and replace it before you waste even a single round through your new gun.
economies of scale. You are dealing with lower production number products so they will always be more expensive.
It was Douglas
Thank you..........
Joe blow doesn't have since enough to appreciate a rifle that shoots sub MOA
Don't know him...............?
Interesting that a Weatherby guy is talking about accuracy with a barrel that is designed with a free bore….
Weatherby's can shoot; Weatherby cartridges, built as custom guns, can shoot well. Many were used in 1,000 yard competition late 1960 - 1970's. Thanks..................
Douglas
Thanks................
lol, what a sales pitch.
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@quarterminutemagnums what a sales pitch.
@@reloadingfun Pearls before swine...........
It is, I would also pay for it!
Big, bad, Leroy Brown .
You have the right singer, but the song is You Don't Mess Around with Jim
Like you want you do her 👌but a disgrace with your have you tried tikka sako sauer blaser It's not unusual for these rifles to shoot 1/2 or under. With hand lodes
I have multiple factory guns that will shoot sub moa out of the box with factory ammunition
Kimber 6.5 creed
Christensen arms 300wm
REM 40x 300wm
Tc encore 22-250
REM 700 classic 220 swift
How’s 6 Arc
And 4 custom builds
6.5 prc,7mm prc
6 creed, 25 creed
Some guys are lucky............
Kind of interested in the weather be reloading ended up chasing some squirrels
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