As an Andorian once said, "Don't push the pink skins to the thin ice." Us humans can go along as peaceful as a lamb for years if it suits us. But when it doesn't, we can make a Mama Grizzly bear look like a tame tabby cat.
LOL a Star Trek fan that thinks a loose outline of non-existent events is better than an award-winning show that's still going strong and helped relaunch Star Trek television. YOU are the fanbase Discovery doesn't deserve or need. Good riddance.
The Federation itself is a double edge sword, the preach peace and have expert diplomats. This however makes them look weak to other races think the Federation is a bunch of hippies. This changes very quickly and scares many races including the klingons which by the time of the late 24th century would loose against a militarized starfleet. As Quark once said humans are wonderful people as long as they have their creature comforts. Take that away and humans will show the galaxy just how violent and dangerous they can be. Thanks for the content.
The Federation always seemed a bit dystopian to me. Growing up only with TOS we regarded the federation as kind of an analog to the US. By the time TNG rolled around it felt much creepier more like the UN or the way some people now look on the EU. For the record I'm not picking a political fight these are of course subjective and I'm one of those darn individualists.
@@lowereducation6631 Nah, I personally liked TNG Federation, where poverty was virtually abolished, you were free to fulfill your potential, and living hand-to-mouth only happened if you were establishing a colony. However, as I got older, I realized there were "gaps", but I still think it's good.
FASA was awesome in the 80's. We played the "Starship Combat Simulator" I got this set for the lore and ship info. Great job! I wish FASA still had it all. They did such a great job with Star Trek, and Battletech!
The game changer of Phaser and Photorp tech is understated here. Previously, all combat occurred at sublight, and ships could not fight at warp. With the new weapons starfleet could make attack runs at warp, while the Klingons could not retaliate - as their disruptors were strictly sublight.
@@ussakira7294 Tough question - and depends by era. She is definitely up there. Also a fan of the Chandley, and later the Excelsior (successor to the Connie).
I'm going to date myself a little bit, I remember playing Star Trek the RPG in high school and I always preferred its attitude and storyline to what came out in TNG. Thanks for resurrecting this.
Same here bro. Only I was in JR High lol! TNG could have been so much better. The FASA game was amazing. A real shame that more people didn't get to enjoy it. This is one of the best RUclips videos ever.
I always wished that they'd progressed a little more gradually, like actually following the Enterprise B and C in their eras, rather than skipping forward a century.
In a non-Discovery based headcanon, I like to think of the 'war', whether official or not, has having loosely happened, even if scaled down, and prior to the Cage.
I enjoy listening to the 4 years war, FASA style. You did an incredible job giving us the visual story as well good narrative. You mention your 2 part storytelling is a condensed version. Wouldn’t be surprised if everyone who had experienced your stories would love to hear a multitude episodes of the FASA 4 year war. I know I would! Well done and thank you for doing this amazing 2 part story.
I've always had a massive soft spot for frigates regardless of setting or era so the L-6 Defender, and Loknar classes are among my favorite ships created for Star Trek games. A very nice video. I had actually forgotten the the Four Years War was the end of the laser era for Starfleet.
As a die hard FASA Star Trek player in the 80s, my buddy and I were thinking of doing a Four Years War campaign back then... Too bad it's all forgotten now in the Star Trek community.
Defense in depth is the only thing that prevented the Klingons from quickly over running the Federation. The immense size of the Federation allowed them enough time and resources to build up their combat fleets. Great video series!!
I think all the FASA ships are in the Klingon/Romulon/Federation ship recognition guide/manual books. They also had cut out hex images on the back page.
"Thank you" for your time and resources into this video I appreciate it! It really takes me back to playing Starfleet battles with my brother and friends in the early 80's. Those little models you would spend your time after school carefully painting to match the designs. Then planning tactics on the weekends to gain the upper hand in whatever scenario everyone agreed upon. Of course I thank my parents for giving me the access to such frivolities! But, it was a thought provoking board game and I hope it makes a comeback after video games.
FASA stuck to cannon unlike the people who broke cannon after Roddenberry s death. First was with Romulan Empire was laser cannon defense and long range nuclear weapons. Not cloaking holographic ship drones as seen in Enterprise.
Somehow, I never got the RPG game bug, so I am FASA illiterate, but, DAMN, I admired those deliciously mysterious little pewter ships! I know it's a subject that triggers some, but I understand the "Prelude to Axanar" fanfilm much better.
This is a very well done and enjoyable video. I really need to get into the FASA Trek. It sounds like a lot of fun. Watching this video reminds me of playing Starfleet Command when I was a kid! I still play that to this day, and especially loved Volume II.
Theere were two different FASA timelines, there was the one that was represented by the RPG and a very different timeline for the minatures wargame, Star Fleet Battles which included the Kzinti from Larry Nivens universe and a home brew war power known as the Lyrans.
Hydrans were mentioned in series several times as well as Lyrans. Kizinti were mentoned in cartoon. The "official" look of the Gorn cruiser again broke cannon to become cannon. Typical do anything to break the cannon of Star Trek of late.
Good videos. I read through the entire FASA manual for this and it's nice to see it visually represented. The more realistic(sorta) take on an interstellar civilization and how it deals with a war is great. The amount of detail they put into this was great for me as someone who loves world building.
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This two part history of FASA Trek brings back so many great memories, both combat and rpg! I managed to collect most of the essential books including this supplement of the Four Years War as well as The Romulan War. Keep it up!
First time I have seen this and I like what you have offered in a informative and enlightening, look forward seeing the first part. THANKS FOR YOUR HARD WORK on this project.
From how I understand it, because "Canon" I star trek is so topsy tervy now, the development of laser weaponry and phaser weaponry happened at the same time in the decades after NX Enterprise. Phase weapons are the precursor to phasers, yes. But at some point laser weapons became more powerful and efficient. This all happening in the very early days of the Federation, I guess. Pre-2200s. That is until the Four Years war. That's actually how I've always thought of it. And in the sense of the development of technology and how technologies tend to evolve and develop, it makes some sense.
I suppose if anyone cared to resolve this then the Phasers can classified as Nadion Beam Weapons and that for a very sort period of time some Laser weapons or laser-fed particle weapons (non-nadion beam type) were used - until improvement in Phaser tech rendered them obsolite. I'd have to check to see if NZ-01 era Phase Pistols and Phase Canon still use Nadion Particles as if they used a different particle that would at least give them some technological distinction. Other wise like Starship phaser's having a stun stetting then not then having it then not - back and forth then I guess one just has to shrug. Oh I think it's nice how the Loknar Template just keeps coming back again and again (both ways up). It's a good shape.
@Evilmike42 I suppose we should be grateful they didn't call them Ray-pistols that wouldn't have aged as well as Phaser does as it does at least seem to stand for Phased Rectification - even if Gene didn't think of that at the time.
@Evilmike42 I think It's self evident fictional weapons in a fictional show are fictional - I was just stating that it's nice that there is a terminological explanation for the word these days that I think is a decent enough fit. & that it could have been a lot worse they could have called them "Ray Guns"
Makes sense, early guns were inferior to bows and arrows outside of specific circumstances. The ancient Chinese even had rocket-propelled missiles, but they weren't as good as a sword. So it's not like a new invention immediately trumps an old one, and they may develop in parallel for many years (see also cost and size, in the days when computers cost millions and filled buildings, you'd get a typewriter for your small business)
@Evilmike42 Dude. Knock it off. You're walking in on a lore discussion waving your hands going "it's all made up! You're all wrong cause its all made up!" We know it's fiction, you don't have to point it out to the one group who meshes science with it. Of all fiction lovers, science fiction lovers tend to look for the difference between illusion and reality. Also: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Phaser It is also reference does the meaning behind the word phaser is phased energy rectification in the Star Trek the next generation technical manual on the USS enterprise-d created by Rick Sternbach and Michael Okuda, who by Roddenberry's direction came up with all of the technical workings. So not only are you being chauvinistic, but you don't even know what you're talkin about.
Kirk himself is a double-edged sword. He understands peace is paramount and works hard towards it, but wake him up and his "I don't like to lose" attitude comes out.
Imagine, if many of the co-conspirators in The Undiscovered Country were veterans of this war, you might actually come to understand them a bit more after learning all this. I've been on a Star Trek/Federation history lesson tonight, watching Axanar, the Earth-Romulan War, and this, felt like watching The Old Republic vids. I'm amazed at what expansive, yet intricate lore exists to these properties that's never filmed. But, I guess it would cost more money to produce than is actually spent on both franchises.
Good lord!.All the time I spent playing the Fasa Trek rpg back in the 80's!.I know most rpg gamers of the time played D&D.But somehow we fell into ST and the Marvel Superheroes rpg games..I'll never forget the excitement when a new module for these games would come out!.I just happened along this video and it really took me back..So to everyone who ever played the Trek Fasa game.Live Long and you know the rest..
Amazing what can be done with a franchise when you hire people who genuinely love and respect the source material. I wish those in charge would stick to that sort if thinking. You can even slip in a moral lesson or two far more effectively keeping it that way.
FASA Trek still has a devoted fanbase making new sites and sourcebooks and content after 30 years. It also inspired some official canon and countless spinoffs. I doubt the same will be said about CBS Trek once they finally decide to stop pouring more money and mroe Big Names into it.
@DevMag 52 Discovery season 1 was better than TNG season one. If the internet were as big in 87 as it was today, the arguments would have been just as bitter.
@@foresta-2684 It wasn't hated, but some people didn't like it, and just about everyone preferred the first one. People like to overstate their case and hyperbolic online.
I used to play int he FASA universe and did so for years and loved every second of it. The ship classes you mentioned like the L-6 which is also my favorite ship was a trip down memory lane. I wish FASA would sign a deal with paramount. I once called a few years back and their representative said they still had a vast amount of FASA Star Trek materials but hey could not sell them. Thes books still exist but are not being distributed. Great way to make more people aware of the great RPG material FASA made.
Nice overview. I agree with your concluding thoughts too. Jerry Pournelle once wrote that while preparing for war might trigger it, understanding the nature and causes of war was also essential to preserving peace.
Also nice to see Klinzai (the _real_ name of the Klingon home world). My brother had an interesting idea: what if Klinzai was the “Earth” of the Imperial race (ie pure blood) Klingons, and Quo’nos was the capital of the Empire, located at the epicenter? 15:13 it would be interesting to see you tackle the FASA Klingon data (ie the human fusions) and *The Final Reflection.*
Great work! This is one of the best videos ever uploaded to RUclips. Would love to see you make a video about The Triangle from the FASA game. I'm clicking subscribe just in case you do.
NX-01 started out with plasma cannons and spatial torpedoes and later got upgraded first with phase cannons and then with photonic torpedoes while still utilizing the spatial ones as well. However, phase cannons are NOT the more advanced phasers and photonic torpedoes are NOT the, again, more advanced photon torpedoes.
@@saturn0660 I will admit. No, I haven't...as a lot of Star Trek games slipped by me. Either A: had cool demos but never were made into full games. B: They were cool games but could never find them to buy them. C: They just plain sucked and were a cash grab. D: They went VR and I really cannot do VR......
@Evilmike42 Yup, Amarillo Design Bureau managed to secure a license to produce their version of Star Trek that is forever back in the 1970s from Viacom I believe. We used to call it Starfleet Squabbles because the arguments over the rules sometimes lasted longer then the actual game. LOL
8:23 I think you may be the first person to get the size of the D-7 right. The deck of the front pod has to be at least as thick as the Constitution’s saucer section (if not thicker) if the band of lights around the midsection of the pod are windows (indicating 2 decks). Most depictions of the D-7 are smaller than the Constitution, where the bridge takes up most of the forward bulge on top of the pod deck (as opposed to residing inside the cylindrical tower behind the bulge).
Dunno, it kind of bothers me that a Klingon general defected to save the Empire. I think it's too vague a reason, since giving the Feds valuable intelligence just means Klingon resources will be destroyed faster with fewer Fed losses. Also, it bothers me that a 30k strong Klingon army was captured alive. Maybe Klingons were more bound to the warrior code by TNG, but I would not have expected them to give up without, say, 80-90% of their forces killed and the rest starved out (i.e., a much more extreme situation than the Germans at Stalingrad). Anyway, thanks for doing this, Resurrected Starships! It's good to see the summary of an old alternative history!
So, in the early days of FASA and TOS, the Klingons were not the honorable warriors who believed in Victory or death. They did have a warrior ethos, but were fine with retreat, surrender, surprise attacks, and civilian casualties. In reality they were more of a analog to the Soviets than they were with any Samurai or Spartan ideal. In that sense, a defecting General makes more sense, same with the garrison. Some of those "Crack Klingon" forces could have been subject races, the General may have been a Klingon Colonial and not one of the later Great Houses, or maybe he was just sock of the drawn out war and dying and wanted to end it quickly.
Interestingly enough, Star Trek is a marvelous lens for spirituality; what with dealing with totally nonphysical beings here and there that have their own sides' agendas for operating; and why you mustn't ever seek them out as well (think "Day of the Dove" for an example of a devil in "Star Trek" in the nonphysical entity that is seriously tempting the people in that for example.).
11:30 As taken from Memory Alpha, Gene Roddenberry himself realized that within _48 hours_ of the filming of the second pilot that people would very quickly point out that lasers don't work as shown and invented the phaser as a result. The lasers as seen in The Cage are thus considered to simply be mislabelled phasers as a result. When _Gene Roddenberry_ admits the laser concept was a mistake...YEAH....I'd've personally said that older-style phase cannons and photonic torpedoes were replaced with their superior and more advanced developments. Arguing with the creator of Trek is a mistake you do not want to make.
Having played, bought and read the FASA Corp. Star Trek the role playing game. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in Star Trek by Gene Roddenberry. Not the tripe out for the past few years. These books can be converted for use in the new Star Trek Adventures RPG by modipihius too. Klingons fight to survive and test their mettle! Qapla'!
I don't know where all the Roddenberry worship is coming from. He's also Mr. Mixed Message who would insist that Starfleet was not military. Which I guess mirrored the American fiction of calling Apollo an all-civilian enterprise in order to score propaganda points against the Soviets.
Two things you should know about Starfleet battle tactics 1. Rim side worlds are expendable they won't bother to defend when wars about. Second their most powerful tactics cause interstellar powers to over extend the lines so we can build up ours, overwhelm them and push back to the starting line. This no doubt one the the most effective if risky strategies in war. Burn them out and counter punch. It can be a fatal tactic if you can't bleed them dry, demoralize, and break their units. Thankfully the Klingons didn't go for the core 4 if one or two had been subjugated or even cindered the federation would have fallen in short order. The Feddies seem to use this tactic in every war they fight save the Borg! So if you find yourself suddenly in the trekverse know this get core bound or die!
I like to laugh at the Klingon’s carried the day because they were more savage …. Because I’m sure charging into machine gun fire in WW1 may have been savage but also useless… does the federation just knee cap itself in every battle??? I mean how would charging lazer wespons go?… or charging over mines… feels like that dumb DS9 planet battle against the jemhadar when the could have just had phaser rifles set to wide beam that we kept hearing about … I imagine weapons getting deadlier not reverting back to essentially musket fire.. but love this series and hopefully you can do a more detailed version … me and my dork friends used to love Starfleet battles back in The day
As an Andorian once said, "Don't push the pink skins to the thin ice." Us humans can go along as peaceful as a lamb for years if it suits us. But when it doesn't, we can make a Mama Grizzly bear look like a tame tabby cat.
This is the Star Trek: Discovery we apparently didn't deserve.
LOL a Star Trek fan that thinks a loose outline of non-existent events is better than an award-winning show that's still going strong and helped relaunch Star Trek television.
YOU are the fanbase Discovery doesn't deserve or need. Good riddance.
@@therexbellator lol
@@therexbellator Trolls are so funny
@@codeviper8665 Good thing I'm not trolling :)
@@therexbellator yeah....sure...good night!
The Federation itself is a double edge sword, the preach peace and have expert diplomats. This however makes them look weak to other races think the Federation is a bunch of hippies. This changes very quickly and scares many races including the klingons which by the time of the late 24th century would loose against a militarized starfleet.
As Quark once said humans are wonderful people as long as they have their creature comforts. Take that away and humans will show the galaxy just how violent and dangerous they can be. Thanks for the content.
The Federation always seemed a bit dystopian to me. Growing up only with TOS we regarded the federation as kind of an analog to the US. By the time TNG rolled around it felt much creepier more like the UN or the way some people now look on the EU.
For the record I'm not picking a political fight these are of course subjective and I'm one of those darn individualists.
@@lowereducation6631 For the record I'm not a trekkie and yea I couldn't get into tng either as I found it too utopia for my liking.
@@lowereducation6631 Nah, I personally liked TNG Federation, where poverty was virtually abolished, you were free to fulfill your potential, and living hand-to-mouth only happened if you were establishing a colony. However, as I got older, I realized there were "gaps", but I still think it's good.
@@zorkmid1083 I prefer utopia as well. Everything else is dystopian, and even smegging Discovery is dark and nihilistic.
Nothing more Dangerous than Space Hippies when you take away their Patchouli Oil and Birkenstocks...
Ahh the storyline that should’ve been canon! Thank you for bringing this to life well done sir!
Precisely bro. Although to me this Story line will always be canon.
tony carlson couldn’t agree more...the FASA Triangle should’ve been used too so many stories to go in that universe!
@@SCSuperheavy114 yes brother you are so right!The FASA Triangle deserves it's own movie trilogy. So stupid that never became official canon.
definitely what star trek discovery should have been about
Love the old-school blue phasers.
U can use them in STO online just need to find them : )
TOS red/orange/white Starfleet colors with blue phasers/torpedoes is a combination I always found novel, as much as I love TMP's Starfleet aesthetic.
This is a great story, I hope no one ever does a bad reboot of it..
FASA was awesome in the 80's. We played the "Starship Combat Simulator" I got this set for the lore and ship info. Great job! I wish FASA still had it all. They did such a great job with Star Trek, and Battletech!
The game changer of Phaser and Photorp tech is understated here. Previously, all combat occurred at sublight, and ships could not fight at warp.
With the new weapons starfleet could make attack runs at warp, while the Klingons could not retaliate - as their disruptors were strictly sublight.
Great comment which is your favourite Starfleet Starship mine is the Constitution class
@@ussakira7294 Tough question - and depends by era. She is definitely up there. Also a fan of the Chandley, and later the Excelsior (successor to the Connie).
@@lynngreen7978 OK Cool what about The TNG Era mine is The USS Voyager
@@ussakira7294 Sovereign is pretty high up for me.
@@lynngreen7978 Oh OK that is a lovely ship aswell r u a big Trekkie Fan I've been a fan since 2000
I'm going to date myself a little bit, I remember playing Star Trek the RPG in high school and I always preferred its attitude and storyline to what came out in TNG.
Thanks for resurrecting this.
Same here. One problem my group had with it, that you had to be higher ranked officers to actually do anything. Was your group able to solve this?
@@DoctorPhobos I don't recall specifics who but I remember running a lot of bridge officers as NPCs.
Same here bro. Only I was in JR High lol! TNG could have been so much better. The FASA game was amazing. A real shame that more people didn't get to enjoy it.
This is one of the best RUclips videos ever.
I always wished that they'd progressed a little more gradually, like actually following the Enterprise B and C in their eras, rather than skipping forward a century.
FASA is it's own little universe--thanks for this look inside!!
In a non-Discovery based headcanon, I like to think of the 'war', whether official or not, has having loosely happened, even if scaled down, and prior to the Cage.
@@chrissonofpear1384 I do wish fantasyflightgame would do a Star Trek, the D6 and d20 sucked.
Hmm, last I heard was of the Decipher, Last Unicorn Games, and the new Modiphius Entertainment series...
I enjoy listening to the 4 years war, FASA style. You did an incredible job giving us the visual story as well good narrative.
You mention your 2 part storytelling is a condensed version. Wouldn’t be surprised if everyone who had experienced your stories would love to hear a multitude episodes of the FASA 4 year war. I know I would! Well done and thank you for doing this amazing 2 part story.
Very nicely done! It's cool to see the FASA stuff realized in this manner.
I've always had a massive soft spot for frigates regardless of setting or era so the L-6 Defender, and Loknar classes are among my favorite ships created for Star Trek games. A very nice video. I had actually forgotten the the Four Years War was the end of the laser era for Starfleet.
As a die hard FASA Star Trek player in the 80s, my buddy and I were thinking of doing a Four Years War campaign back then... Too bad it's all forgotten now in the Star Trek community.
Defense in depth is the only thing that prevented the Klingons from quickly over running the Federation. The immense size of the Federation allowed them enough time and resources to build up their combat fleets. Great video series!!
Excellent and highly anticipated content. Thank you so much for your outstanding work.
I think all the FASA ships are in the Klingon/Romulon/Federation ship recognition guide/manual books. They also had cut out hex images on the back page.
"Thank you" for your time and resources into this video I appreciate it! It really takes me back to playing Starfleet battles with my brother and friends in the early 80's.
Those little models you would spend your time after school carefully painting to match the designs. Then planning tactics on the weekends to gain the upper hand in whatever scenario everyone agreed upon.
Of course I thank my parents for giving me the access to such frivolities! But, it was a thought provoking board game and I hope it makes a comeback after video games.
Very cool. I've always thought FASA did a great job with the Four Years War and sticking to established canon.
FASA stuck to cannon unlike the people who broke cannon after Roddenberry s death. First was with Romulan Empire was laser cannon defense and long range nuclear weapons. Not cloaking holographic ship drones as seen in Enterprise.
Somehow, I never got the RPG game bug, so I am FASA illiterate, but, DAMN, I admired those deliciously mysterious little pewter ships!
I know it's a subject that triggers some, but I understand the "Prelude to Axanar" fanfilm much better.
Those pewter ships were for table top gaming for Star Fleet Battles!
This is a very well done and enjoyable video. I really need to get into the FASA Trek. It sounds like a lot of fun. Watching this video reminds me of playing Starfleet Command when I was a kid! I still play that to this day, and especially loved Volume II.
Theere were two different FASA timelines, there was the one that was represented by the RPG and a very different timeline for the minatures wargame, Star Fleet Battles which included the Kzinti from Larry Nivens universe and a home brew war power known as the Lyrans.
Hydrans were mentioned in series several times as well as Lyrans. Kizinti were mentoned in cartoon. The "official" look of the Gorn cruiser again broke cannon to become cannon. Typical do anything to break the cannon of Star Trek of late.
@@wesleycrawford8500 Kzinti were mentioned and featured in the one episode written by their creator.
Yeah but did you ever play Star Fleet Battles board game? ;)
Yes!! I need to reinstall the game on my system
Excellent! I always wondered about the Klingon wars, it would make a great film!
Not now days the writers butcher the cannon to upstage each other at will.
Good videos. I read through the entire FASA manual for this and it's nice to see it visually represented. The more realistic(sorta) take on an interstellar civilization and how it deals with a war is great. The amount of detail they put into this was great for me as someone who loves world building.
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This two part history of FASA Trek brings back so many great memories, both combat and rpg! I managed to collect most of the essential books including this supplement of the Four Years War as well as The Romulan War. Keep it up!
You will find my name as one of play testers in the first supplement, the "Vanished".
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Great production! Live Long and Prosper.
Seperate ship videos.....yum!
Thanks for the hard work on these videos.
Nice! Thanks for the rundown of the war and putting the time and effort into animating it all.
First time I have seen this and I like what you have offered in a informative and enlightening, look forward seeing the first part. THANKS FOR YOUR HARD WORK on this project.
Fantastic work.
All the months waiting for part 2 have paid off. Thank you very much.
I also look forward to your look on each of those ships. :)
Great video i enjoyed it very much i love the sound of the photon torpedoes & phasers
This is prime canon in my heart.
From how I understand it, because "Canon" I star trek is so topsy tervy now, the development of laser weaponry and phaser weaponry happened at the same time in the decades after NX Enterprise. Phase weapons are the precursor to phasers, yes. But at some point laser weapons became more powerful and efficient. This all happening in the very early days of the Federation, I guess. Pre-2200s. That is until the Four Years war. That's actually how I've always thought of it. And in the sense of the development of technology and how technologies tend to evolve and develop, it makes some sense.
I suppose if anyone cared to resolve this then the Phasers can classified as Nadion Beam Weapons and that for a very sort period of time some Laser weapons or laser-fed particle weapons (non-nadion beam type) were used - until improvement in Phaser tech rendered them obsolite.
I'd have to check to see if NZ-01 era Phase Pistols and Phase Canon still use Nadion Particles as if they used a different particle that would at least give them some technological distinction.
Other wise like Starship phaser's having a stun stetting then not then having it then not - back and forth then I guess one just has to shrug.
Oh I think it's nice how the Loknar Template just keeps coming back again and again (both ways up). It's a good shape.
@Evilmike42 I suppose we should be grateful they didn't call them Ray-pistols that wouldn't have aged as well as Phaser does as it does at least seem to stand for Phased Rectification - even if Gene didn't think of that at the time.
@Evilmike42 I think It's self evident fictional weapons in a fictional show are fictional - I was just stating that it's nice that there is a terminological explanation for the word these days that I think is a decent enough fit. & that it could have been a lot worse they could have called them "Ray Guns"
Makes sense, early guns were inferior to bows and arrows outside of specific circumstances. The ancient Chinese even had rocket-propelled missiles, but they weren't as good as a sword. So it's not like a new invention immediately trumps an old one, and they may develop in parallel for many years (see also cost and size, in the days when computers cost millions and filled buildings, you'd get a typewriter for your small business)
@Evilmike42 Dude. Knock it off. You're walking in on a lore discussion waving your hands going "it's all made up! You're all wrong cause its all made up!"
We know it's fiction, you don't have to point it out to the one group who meshes science with it. Of all fiction lovers, science fiction lovers tend to look for the difference between illusion and reality.
Also: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Phaser
It is also reference does the meaning behind the word phaser is phased energy rectification in the Star Trek the next generation technical manual on the USS enterprise-d created by Rick Sternbach and Michael Okuda, who by Roddenberry's direction came up with all of the technical workings.
So not only are you being chauvinistic, but you don't even know what you're talkin about.
I’d like to see more of these FASA videos. Good work.
The opening really is something.
Kirk himself is a double-edged sword. He understands peace is paramount and works hard towards it, but wake him up and his "I don't like to lose" attitude comes out.
Imagine, if many of the co-conspirators in The Undiscovered Country were veterans of this war, you might actually come to understand them a bit more after learning all this.
I've been on a Star Trek/Federation history lesson tonight, watching Axanar, the Earth-Romulan War, and this, felt like watching The Old Republic vids. I'm amazed at what expansive, yet intricate lore exists to these properties that's never filmed. But, I guess it would cost more money to produce than is actually spent on both franchises.
Awesome ship designs, graphics and CGI animation. I really liked this video.
Good lord!.All the time I spent playing the Fasa Trek rpg back in the 80's!.I know most rpg gamers of the time played D&D.But somehow we fell into ST and the Marvel Superheroes rpg games..I'll never forget the excitement when a new module for these games would come out!.I just happened along this video and it really took me back..So to everyone who ever played the Trek Fasa game.Live Long and you know the rest..
excellent work
The FASA laser and accelerator cannon stats were so incredibly inferior compared to the Klingon disruptors it wasn't even funny.
@Evilmike42 Yeah but the newer weapons came so late in the timeline that the Federation would likely have already been conquered
Amusing how FASA did far more with Star Trek than Paramount or CBS ever did!
Amazing what can be done with a franchise when you hire people who genuinely love and respect the source material. I wish those in charge would stick to that sort if thinking. You can even slip in a moral lesson or two far more effectively keeping it that way.
FASA Trek still has a devoted fanbase making new sites and sourcebooks and content after 30 years. It also inspired some official canon and countless spinoffs.
I doubt the same will be said about CBS Trek once they finally decide to stop pouring more money and mroe Big Names into it.
@DevMag 52 Discovery season 1 was better than TNG season one. If the internet were as big in 87 as it was today, the arguments would have been just as bitter.
Ant509y
That is more false than
The lie that empire strikes back was hated
@@foresta-2684 It wasn't hated, but some people didn't like it, and just about everyone preferred the first one. People like to overstate their case and hyperbolic online.
I used to play int he FASA universe and did so for years and loved every second of it. The ship classes you mentioned like the L-6 which is also my favorite ship was a trip down memory lane. I wish FASA would sign a deal with paramount. I once called a few years back and their representative said they still had a vast amount of FASA Star Trek materials but hey could not sell them. Thes books still exist but are not being distributed. Great way to make more people aware of the great RPG material FASA made.
A few of the ships thankfully still popped up in Star Trek Legacy (game) and some mods.
I remember playing the FASA games back in the 80's. I wish I still had the books.
Fascinating
Nice overview. I agree with your concluding thoughts too. Jerry Pournelle once wrote that while preparing for war might trigger it, understanding the nature and causes of war was also essential to preserving peace.
Thanks, I really enjoyed these two episodes
Still light years better than Discovery.
Discovery is good. It has as many fuck-ups as TNG or any of the other series. You whiners are just afraid of women.
@@volgawolfhounds741 Uhm I don't like Discovery and I'm a woman.....
Volga Wolfhounds
Wow afraid of women that is the most juvenile accusation I have ever seen
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Nice Troll
@@Marlena_M Yeah it's not the fact that STD is garbage. Nah, everyone just 'hates' women. STD belongs in the trash.
Excellent
I totally played and GM'd several FASA STRP games. LOVED the system. "The Klingons" module was priceless.
I would love to see this kind of treatment on the Starfire Universe, originally put out by Task Force Games as a kind of "Star Fleet Battles Lite".
Already done thru Star Fleet Command Computer game.
@@brucemclean9824 That's not Starfire.
Awesome. Thank you.
Also nice to see Klinzai (the _real_ name of the Klingon home world).
My brother had an interesting idea: what if Klinzai was the “Earth” of the Imperial race (ie pure blood) Klingons, and Quo’nos was the capital of the Empire, located at the epicenter?
15:13 it would be interesting to see you tackle the FASA Klingon data (ie the human fusions) and *The Final Reflection.*
Well done
Great conclusion
Thank You so very much for this.
I love classic trek! Even the wars are better in classic mode.
Great video!
Great video loved it! I love star trek
Great narration. Interesting Star Trek history.
AMAZING! So glad I subscribed and became a Patreon! Woo Hoo!
Great work! This is one of the best videos ever uploaded to RUclips. Would love to see you make a video about The Triangle from the FASA game. I'm clicking subscribe just in case you do.
My bad I'm already a subscriber lol!
NX-01 started out with plasma cannons and spatial torpedoes and later got upgraded first with phase cannons and then with photonic torpedoes while still utilizing the spatial ones as well.
However, phase cannons are NOT the more advanced phasers and photonic torpedoes are NOT the, again, more advanced photon torpedoes.
Wrong universe. Enterprise Is not compatible with FASA.
Who else is here after the recent INTERLUDE to AXANAR broadcast?
Love the videos, but I really wished you used the ST:TOS sound FX
13:50 never mind. :)
Excellent video and audio.
Great stuff.
Great videos! Love your love of FASA
"Klinks" I have never heard that slang word about Klingons.
You never played SFB. lol :-)
@@saturn0660 I will admit. No, I haven't...as a lot of Star Trek games slipped by me. Either A: had cool demos but never were made into full games. B: They were cool games but could never find them to buy them. C: They just plain sucked and were a cash grab. D: They went VR and I really cannot do VR......
@Qardo Star Fleet Battles was analog until Starfleet Command came out by Interplay.
@Evilmike42 Yup, Amarillo Design Bureau managed to secure a license to produce their version of Star Trek that is forever back in the 1970s from Viacom I believe. We used to call it Starfleet Squabbles because the arguments over the rules sometimes lasted longer then the actual game. LOL
@Evilmike42 Too bad. To be honest, I thought the movies' designs had major cosmetic improvements. Higher budget and all.
This is really excellent work. Thank you!
This was better than the last 3 trek movies combined.
Well done.
Nice.
This video was more entertaining than a entire season of Discovery could ever be.😁👍
What do you use to create these models and battles? They look gorgeous.
8:23 I think you may be the first person to get the size of the D-7 right.
The deck of the front pod has to be at least as thick as the Constitution’s saucer section (if not thicker) if the band of lights around the midsection of the pod are windows (indicating 2 decks).
Most depictions of the D-7 are smaller than the Constitution, where the bridge takes up most of the forward bulge on top of the pod deck (as opposed to residing inside the cylindrical tower behind the bulge).
Dunno, it kind of bothers me that a Klingon general defected to save the Empire. I think it's too vague a reason, since giving the Feds valuable intelligence just means Klingon resources will be destroyed faster with fewer Fed losses. Also, it bothers me that a 30k strong Klingon army was captured alive. Maybe Klingons were more bound to the warrior code by TNG, but I would not have expected them to give up without, say, 80-90% of their forces killed and the rest starved out (i.e., a much more extreme situation than the Germans at Stalingrad).
Anyway, thanks for doing this, Resurrected Starships! It's good to see the summary of an old alternative history!
So, in the early days of FASA and TOS, the Klingons were not the honorable warriors who believed in Victory or death. They did have a warrior ethos, but were fine with retreat, surrender, surprise attacks, and civilian casualties. In reality they were more of a analog to the Soviets than they were with any Samurai or Spartan ideal.
In that sense, a defecting General makes more sense, same with the garrison. Some of those "Crack Klingon" forces could have been subject races, the General may have been a Klingon Colonial and not one of the later Great Houses, or maybe he was just sock of the drawn out war and dying and wanted to end it quickly.
Very well done.
Loved that fasa game
I have waited a long time for this.
Thank you really enjoyed the video I know a lot of very hard work went into it appreciate it well done
Great work as always! :D
Interestingly enough, Star Trek is a marvelous lens for spirituality; what with dealing with totally nonphysical beings here and there that have their own sides' agendas for operating; and why you mustn't ever seek them out as well (think "Day of the Dove" for an example of a devil in "Star Trek" in the nonphysical entity that is seriously tempting the people in that for example.).
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As taken from Memory Alpha, Gene Roddenberry himself realized that within _48 hours_ of the filming of the second pilot that people would very quickly point out that lasers don't work as shown and invented the phaser as a result. The lasers as seen in The Cage are thus considered to simply be mislabelled phasers as a result.
When _Gene Roddenberry_ admits the laser concept was a mistake...YEAH....I'd've personally said that older-style phase cannons and photonic torpedoes were replaced with their superior and more advanced developments. Arguing with the creator of Trek is a mistake you do not want to make.
Your reference to the wars fought inside our bodies by our immune system was kind of prophetic.
It was stated by the writers of ENT that Phase Cannons were not phaser weapons but a ancestor of them.
Having played, bought and read the FASA Corp. Star Trek the role playing game. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in Star Trek by Gene Roddenberry. Not the tripe out for the past few years. These books can be converted for use in the new Star Trek Adventures RPG by modipihius too.
Klingons fight to survive and test their mettle! Qapla'!
I don't know where all the Roddenberry worship is coming from. He's also Mr. Mixed Message who would insist that Starfleet was not military. Which I guess mirrored the American fiction of calling Apollo an all-civilian enterprise in order to score propaganda points against the Soviets.
Aside from the original series, this is better than all the other Star Trek movies and tv shows.
Excellent and fascinating video! 🖖🏽
This is awesome.
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That, is exactly why one studies war. To prevent them, or end them quickly.
"Great warrior? War does not make one great."
The D7 is kind of the Klingons Excelsior with its "refit ancestor" the K'tinga being around in the late 24th century.
I still have the FASA board game. It is the best version of Star Trek history.
Two things you should know about Starfleet battle tactics 1. Rim side worlds are expendable they won't bother to defend when wars about. Second their most powerful tactics cause interstellar powers to over extend the lines so we can build up ours, overwhelm them and push back to the starting line. This no doubt one the the most effective if risky strategies in war.
Burn them out and counter punch. It can be a fatal tactic if you can't bleed them dry, demoralize, and break their units. Thankfully the Klingons didn't go for the core 4 if one or two had been subjugated or even cindered the federation would have fallen in short order. The Feddies seem to use this tactic in every war they fight save the Borg! So if you find yourself suddenly in the trekverse know this get core bound or die!
really good series do you have more of these?
Brilliantly done
Computer Game
"Stsr Trek Armads" was set in the TNG time frame but was on a fleet scale with hints of FASA strategy.
Excellent game
Were any constitution-class ships destroyed during the four years war?
Awesome video!! I really love it.
I like to laugh at the Klingon’s carried the day because they were more savage …. Because I’m sure charging into machine gun fire in WW1 may have been savage but also useless… does the federation just knee cap itself in every battle??? I mean how would charging lazer wespons go?… or charging over mines… feels like that dumb DS9 planet battle against the jemhadar when the could have just had phaser rifles set to wide beam that we kept hearing about … I imagine weapons getting deadlier not reverting back to essentially musket fire.. but love this series and hopefully you can do a more detailed version … me and my dork friends used to love Starfleet battles back in The day