I thought about a 3" lift w/ 33's but fortunately very early on getting into off roading Jeeps, many told me, their TJ became very sluggish going from just 32's to 33's in addition to a domino effect of needing additional expensive parts. And I'm glad I listened! Because I drove a TJ with this set up and it didn't have that low end torque and was very slow off the line. And most of them returned to 32's while some fell for the aftermarket bait, very expensive bait. I get many who want to know what is the perfect build. Which is not easy to answer because everyone does different things with their Jeep. But I would like to share mine since my '05 TJ Rocky Mtn drives and handles absolutely amazing on and off road. Keep in mind, I am NOT a rock crawler, I'm an adventurer who takes the family beach wheelin, beach camping, surf fishing, and we hit fun, moderate trails in the fall and winter getting to our favorite fishing holes and camp sites. Which is why the build is for what's near and for what we do, nothing was put on this TJ unnecessarily for show. I see too many "spotless Jeeps" with 33's - 38's. As long as you have good off road instincts and common sense, a modest, high quality build will allow you and your family to have a lot of fun! All in, I'm at $25k with my '05 TJ Rocky Mtn. And I can honestly say build wise, I'm done!! I might Raptor line it since the TJ has a few rough paint spots and won't ever have to worry about off road pinstriping again. The best part is, this TJ not only keeps up, but outperforms a lot of these $40k - $75k JK's & JL' s. Due in part to people's inexperience and just "over building". The '05 TJ has a modest build, yet is extremely capable, durable and best of all, affordable. I encourage any Jeeper to search for a rust free TJ 4.0 I6, preferably stock, 3.73's w/ LSD and a Dana 44. And to use my build as a "guide". But I highly recommend this build for anyone who is an adventurer, not a rock crawler. Best of all, it will eliminate you from chasing your tail, the aftermarket will have one less just empty every pocket victim out there. It was a lot of trial and error but it has been well worth it. 2" Old Man Emu coils 32" KO2's or 32" BFG MT's Quadratec Baja alloy rims - perfect backspacing - no rub! Currectlync steering Freedom Off Road front adj track bar M.O.R.E steering box brace JKS quick disconnects Freedom Off Road front lower Adjustable control arms The rest are Fixed Detroit Axles Transfer case drop kit Fox 2.0 Shox Fox steering stabilizer Professional 4x4 shop to do the alignment Since doing this, I have had the best experience with any vehicle I've ever had. Staying with 32's allows us Jeepers to maintain that great low end torque, saves us a lot of money on unnecessary aftermarket parts and still be able to wheel most anywhere. It's the best of all worlds! One of my favorite mods was added a Banks cat back exhaust giving it a throaty growl, but not obnoxiously loud. Absolutely perfect for the 4.0 I6. Most importantly, be honest with yourself, build your TJ for what you will be using it for. And know YOU CAN do great trails and much more with just a 2" lift and 32" ko2's or MT's! DO NOT let the aftermarket pushers fool or shame you into thinking you "need" 33" - 40" tires and a 5" lift to wheel. That's 🦬💩! They know full well, once they get you at 33's, it's a freaking cash cow for them! Because you just embarked on their multi thousand dollar build conveyor belt. And it's 100% unnecessary for moderate wheelin'! Your axles, drive train, drive shafts, engine, gearing and a host of a lot of other stuff now "needs" to be upgraded. The aftermarket pushers feast on naive people. Don't be that guy! Like cereal companies saying breakfast is the most important meal of the day, the aftermarket will continue to take advantage of the misinformed. O|||||||O 🇺🇲 Only in a 2 Dr 🇺🇲 '41- '06
what's OEM at the rockers ride hith ? are's is a 2006 lwb aka fully loaded unmodified but now needing work as it's rubbing the fender's/sagged a lot new you're right 33 or 34"in ( factory installation for 4"in lift vs the lowering kit RPO code's ) was good enough for us and im not a Goodyear guy ( and sense i couldn't get the same batches of tire it's now cooper's/misilaned tire's it's had afterward's ) but dealership's preparation 👍 i don't agree with the I6 engine or the automatic transmission as a combo junky and nose heavy ect and from day1 can't pass EPA-tests so i have a hard time getting tagged, jeep/FCA should have kept the commando's v8+auto package in some form aka 3d gen V8 and a RPO option for auto+v6, manual transmission's im not decided on as i haven't driven as many/much as others owners with these RPO, and OEM diesels are rarer so that should have been more common in the USA markets but it's not it's government and exports markets but really needs air ride ( not a fan of coils or leafs springs in automotive use aka car's ) tried using the tow package 👎it suck's and i couldn't get it to tow anything! even a light 4X4ft utility empty ( i could easily move by hand ) didn't work as it lifted the wheel/steering off the road
the 4.0l i don't agree it's lower rpm torque idling and 3k is hp, on are's that's part of the problem as the transmission gut's/setting are the same as the derango v6
One thing I noticed that wasn't mentioned in his installation of the sway bar links, is that there are two different types of metal sleeves that get pressed in. The front metal sleeves have an 12mm inside diameter and the rear have an 10mm inside diameter. Don't mess up and press the wrong sleeves in or else you'll have tons of fun pressing them back out.
Good video. Best practice, always clean re-usable bolt and apply anti-seize lubricant to the fastener please. Very lucky that no bolt broke. All came out somewhat easy with a power tool.
so glad to reuse the stock rusted hardware said no one ever. Also WD40 is very far from being a lubricant. It's a oil based solvent used to penitrate rust.
36:29 i did this same lift kit on my 1997 tj and all six nuts in the frame busted off the welds, the easiest way to get the stock bolts out when the nuts are busted loose is get a pry bar and pry down on the skid plate and you will get them out, and to get new nuts in, you can either cut into the frame and welds new ones or you can do what i did and drill some factory looking holes above the bolt holes and put a new nut in press on the top with a pry bar and buzz the bolts up in it
I’ve watched a few of these videos because I bought a 4in lift and some of the jeeps are pretty rusty under them I’m glad mine is really clean no rust gust dirt
Lift it with quality parts or don't lift it at all. Always best to save up for a Rubicon Express, Old Man Emu or a Teraflex lift. The TJ is at its' best with a 4" lift and 33" Duratracs or these Micky Thompson's.
"If you want to step down to a 31 inch tire , you can probably get away with a 2.5 inch lift kit" LOL. 31x10.5 tires should fit under the stock suspension with little to no rubbing.
For daily driving on the street or light trails, absolutely! If you want to disconnect your sway bars and flex your TJ out a little bit, having a 2.5" lift along with those 31s goes wonders though. -Zach
@@antwoinescars266 We see snow as entertainment and have to drive 3 hours to see it. If you live too close to the ocean(the dew zone), our cars will rust too.
This is why I don't pay people to work on my vehicles. Anytime I'm doing work to my Jeep, I'm also cleaning, painting, repairing and replacing any parts in the area that are worn or needs attention.
I’m planing on buying this same kit, I was wondering if I need to buy longer break lines, upper control arms, pitman arm. Or is this kit good to go and roll down the road as is? Thanks!
dont think the control arms are ment to point down... but hey down here and Australia we do things the way that gives you more clearance not less! #stayawayfrommyjeep
How do you behave with that lift driving on the road? Things that should be changed when lifting it with this kit. I am looking for a TJ jeep and I am interested in modifying it and I would like to know how it behaves that suspension, since I will not be doing all the time off road.
I dont think its good practice to tighten down the control arms while the suspension is at full droop. Better to let it down on the tires and then torque them up. Otherwise you'll bind the bushings.
If anyone is still watching this in 2024. Never put a 6” lift on a Jeep unless you really really really need it and are planning to do some serious off roading. You will regret it!!!
The compressor can get tangled up and be difficult to take out in such a tight space. With enough persuasion you can get the axle down and the spring into place!
I would recommend longer brake lines for both the front and rear of a Jeep with 4” of lift on it, especially if the Jeep will go off road and flex. - Ryan
Does anyone know whether or not installing the 4" lift kit is identical to the 3.25" RC lift kit installation? I can't find a proper installation video for my 01 TJ for the 3.25" kit.
between 02 and 03, Jeep made changes to how the Transfer case skid plate bolted up. The kit (minus the Transfer case drop bracket) are identical. **Side note. @ 18:55 either get a $35 track bar bracket, or a new adjustable trackbar. please never drill a new hole... you have so much force on a trackbar, and you're attempting to hold it by 1/16"-1/8" of metal. just say no. spend an extra $35 and get a trackbar relocation bracket that suits your lift size.
Welcome to the land of stripped threads and stretched/broken hardware. Do you guys even know what a torque wrench is? Starting bolts with an impact gun? Really? If I saw this idiot working on my vehicle, he would never touch it again...
he did it with a low powered electric drill, quit bitching you over sensitive fuckin millennial. if it cross threaded it would have stopped itself with no damage done..
Rough Country will not hold up off roading. Cheep Chinese thin metal parts. If you are going to put around town ok I guess but not for off roading. I have known to many people that had to be recovered due to broken suspension parts made by Rough Country. Something to think about..
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ExtremeTerrain.com just installed this exact lift in a 97 TJ. I know it works well with a 33. My question is, will a 35/12.50 fit??
@@tommyboyawesome921 they can
I have a jeep wrangler 98 and I will install a Rouht Country lift kit of 4
I have 35x12.50 R15 tires, is there any problem?
You got to be the luckiest person in that shop all that rust no bolts broke go play the lottery
Trying to....they are in back order until April 1 2021
I thought about a 3" lift w/ 33's but fortunately very early on getting into off roading Jeeps, many told me, their TJ became very sluggish going from just 32's to 33's in addition to a domino effect of needing additional expensive parts. And I'm glad I listened! Because I drove a TJ with this set up and it didn't have that low end torque and was very slow off the line. And most of them returned to 32's while some fell for the aftermarket bait, very expensive bait.
I get many who want to know what is the perfect build. Which is not easy to answer because everyone does different things with their Jeep.
But I would like to share mine since my '05 TJ Rocky Mtn drives and handles absolutely amazing on and off road.
Keep in mind, I am NOT a rock crawler, I'm an adventurer who takes the family beach wheelin, beach camping, surf fishing, and we hit fun, moderate trails in the fall and winter getting to our favorite fishing holes and camp sites. Which is why the build is for what's near and for what we do, nothing was put on this TJ unnecessarily for show. I see too many "spotless Jeeps" with 33's - 38's.
As long as you have good off road instincts and common sense, a modest, high quality build will allow you and your family to have a lot of fun!
All in, I'm at $25k with my '05 TJ Rocky Mtn. And I can honestly say build wise, I'm done!! I might Raptor line it since the TJ has a few rough paint spots and won't ever have to worry about off road pinstriping again. The best part is, this TJ not only keeps up, but outperforms a lot of these $40k - $75k JK's & JL' s. Due in part to people's inexperience and just "over building". The '05 TJ has a modest build, yet is extremely capable, durable and best of all, affordable.
I encourage any Jeeper to search for a rust free TJ 4.0 I6, preferably stock, 3.73's w/ LSD and a Dana 44. And to use my build as a "guide". But I highly recommend this build for anyone who is an adventurer, not a rock crawler. Best of all, it will eliminate you from chasing your tail, the aftermarket will have one less just empty every pocket victim out there.
It was a lot of trial and error but it has been well worth it.
2" Old Man Emu coils
32" KO2's or 32" BFG MT's
Quadratec Baja alloy rims - perfect backspacing - no rub!
Currectlync steering
Freedom Off Road front adj track bar
M.O.R.E steering box brace
JKS quick disconnects
Freedom Off Road front lower Adjustable control arms
The rest are Fixed Detroit Axles
Transfer case drop kit
Fox 2.0 Shox
Fox steering stabilizer
Professional 4x4 shop to do the alignment
Since doing this, I have had the best experience with any vehicle I've ever had.
Staying with 32's allows us Jeepers to maintain that great low end torque, saves us a lot of money on unnecessary aftermarket parts and still be able to wheel most anywhere. It's the best of all worlds!
One of my favorite mods was added a Banks cat back exhaust giving it a throaty growl, but not obnoxiously loud. Absolutely perfect for the 4.0 I6.
Most importantly, be honest with yourself, build your TJ for what you will be using it for. And know YOU CAN do great trails and much more with just a 2" lift and 32" ko2's or MT's!
DO NOT let the aftermarket pushers fool or shame you into thinking you "need" 33" - 40" tires and a 5" lift to wheel. That's 🦬💩! They know full well, once they get you at 33's, it's a freaking cash cow for them! Because you just embarked on their multi thousand dollar build conveyor belt. And it's 100% unnecessary for moderate wheelin'! Your axles, drive train, drive shafts, engine, gearing and a host of a lot of other stuff now "needs" to be upgraded. The aftermarket pushers feast on naive people. Don't be that guy! Like cereal companies saying breakfast is the most important meal of the day, the aftermarket will continue to take advantage of the misinformed.
O|||||||O
🇺🇲 Only in a 2 Dr 🇺🇲
'41- '06
what's OEM at the rockers ride hith ? are's is a 2006 lwb aka fully loaded unmodified but now needing work as it's rubbing the fender's/sagged a lot new you're right 33 or 34"in ( factory installation for 4"in lift vs the lowering kit RPO code's ) was good enough for us and im not a Goodyear guy ( and sense i couldn't get the same batches of tire it's now cooper's/misilaned tire's it's had afterward's ) but dealership's preparation 👍
i don't agree with the I6 engine or the automatic transmission as a combo junky and nose heavy ect and from day1 can't pass EPA-tests so i have a hard time getting tagged, jeep/FCA should have kept the commando's v8+auto package in some form aka 3d gen V8 and a RPO option for auto+v6, manual transmission's im not decided on as i haven't driven as many/much as others owners with these RPO, and OEM diesels are rarer so that should have been more common in the USA markets but it's not it's government and exports markets
but really needs air ride ( not a fan of coils or leafs springs in automotive use aka car's ) tried using the tow package 👎it suck's and i couldn't get it to tow anything! even a light 4X4ft utility empty ( i could easily move by hand ) didn't work as it lifted the wheel/steering off the road
the 4.0l i don't agree it's lower rpm torque idling and 3k is hp, on are's that's part of the problem as the transmission gut's/setting are the same as the derango v6
One thing I noticed that wasn't mentioned in his installation of the sway bar links, is that there are two different types of metal sleeves that get pressed in. The front metal sleeves have an 12mm inside diameter and the rear have an 10mm inside diameter. Don't mess up and press the wrong sleeves in or else you'll have tons of fun pressing them back out.
Thanks for the info!
yeah i just fucked up. struggling at the moment
Good video. Best practice, always clean re-usable bolt and apply anti-seize lubricant to the fastener please. Very lucky that no bolt broke. All came out somewhat easy with a power tool.
Great tip! Thanks for watching! -Zach
so glad to reuse the stock rusted hardware said no one ever.
Also WD40 is very far from being a lubricant. It's a oil based solvent used to penitrate rust.
36:29 i did this same lift kit on my 1997 tj and all six nuts in the frame busted off the welds, the easiest way to get the stock bolts out when the nuts are busted loose is get a pry bar and pry down on the skid plate and you will get them out, and to get new nuts in, you can either cut into the frame and welds new ones or you can do what i did and drill some factory looking holes above the bolt holes and put a new nut in press on the top with a pry bar and buzz the bolts up in it
I put the same lift in my 97 TJ. I wish I had this video when I was doing it!
Did you need a new pit arm or track bar?
Whatever Chrysler engineer thought installing torx bits into areas with potential for heavy rust was an idiot. #SomeoneHadToSayIt
This is the comment I was looking for. If you ever remove the torx bolts, save yourself a headache and replace the torx bolt with a normal one.
Looping background music for 42 minutes is sooooo annoying.
I actually liked it
I’ve watched a few of these videos because I bought a 4in lift and some of the jeeps are pretty rusty under them I’m glad mine is really clean no rust gust dirt
Thanks for watching!! -Zach
Wow, he really covered every detail of the job. Really good video and very educational.
Thanks for watching! -Zach
missed before mesurent's and after as im looking for numbers as mine is sagging so i don't know the final rocker's numbers for ride
Rough Country: Because you gotta save room in your budget to outfit your mall crawler with an angry eyes grill too
Rough country is budget friendly though
Lift it with quality parts or don't lift it at all. Always best to save up for a Rubicon Express, Old Man Emu or a Teraflex lift. The TJ is at its' best with a 4" lift and 33" Duratracs or these Micky Thompson's.
You'd be better off with lockers and 32's hell you can fit 33's if you trim the flares
@@JeepTJWheelin nah I’m good I’d rather spend my money on lockers than some expensive lift
fr lol
After watching this video if you still cant put on a lift sell your Jeep! Lol very detailed!
Great video, outstanding technician.
"If you want to step down to a 31 inch tire , you can probably get away with a 2.5 inch lift kit" LOL. 31x10.5 tires should fit under the stock suspension with little to no rubbing.
For daily driving on the street or light trails, absolutely! If you want to disconnect your sway bars and flex your TJ out a little bit, having a 2.5" lift along with those 31s goes wonders though. -Zach
Thanks for doing it all not just one side good job
30:00 yooo he had that hammer the whole time
All that rust is driving me crazy.
fernarias sorry some of us see snow a few months every year😂
@@antwoinescars266 We see snow as entertainment and have to drive 3 hours to see it. If you live too close to the ocean(the dew zone), our cars will rust too.
UnderCoating
This is why I don't pay people to work on my vehicles. Anytime I'm doing work to my Jeep, I'm also cleaning, painting, repairing and replacing any parts in the area that are worn or needs attention.
@@chipschleichardt5641 exactly. You'd be stupid not to replace those rusty bolts as you go.
Couldn’t the wd40 used on the bushings dry out the rubber since it’s a solvent and not an actual lubricant?
Logan Urrunaga yes
Yeah I wonder why just didn't use grease or silicone
For the a while I drove around on 32 by 11 KO2s on stock suspension and never rubbed
like the name
lol I love the name!!! Dale never goes by his government name lol
really, do we have to watch him take off all 4 tires?
Gotta be thorough. 😉 -Zach
Have this exact lift for my 98 TJ sport 5spd love it n3 is comfy
the n3s suck dude ive had them for about a year now and they ride like a wagon
I’m planing on buying this same kit, I was wondering if I need to buy longer break lines, upper control arms, pitman arm. Or is this kit good to go and roll down the road as is? Thanks!
Would be nice to see a reply here too
Always clean hardware and add small amount of grease to threads and shoulders.
4インチ35タイヤ最高な組み合わせですな！！
I fit 32x11’s on the stock suspension and they don’t rub 35’s would have to fit on a 4 inch lift
well explained video should watch this if planning to do this to a jeep. thanks for the video
Thanks for watching, Formdog! -Zach
Right on , I dig it .
I only have the rear of the kit installed, how far and how fast can I drive without the skit plate brackets installed?
Great video thanks for the help 👍
Thanks for watching! -Zach
Thanks for the video very very helpful
Does anyone know if the kit comes with a banner? I took mine to the shop to install and never checked the box
Do we need to down the transfer case even if u got an sye and cv driveshaft?
Why didn't you wire brush the rust off hard wear
I got this for my 02 TJ and the transfer case spacers bolts don’t line up, they are off by an inch
dont think the control arms are ment to point down... but hey down here and Australia we do things the way that gives you more clearance not less! #stayawayfrommyjeep
All the Jeeps I've seen have them facing down including my own. I've always wondered why they didnt face up for more clearance
Do they lift kit level the jeep or will the back sit higher?
crap music loop is driving me nuts!
Hey ya'll, I was wondering if someone could tell me how long a spring is for a 4' lift ? Or if anyone knows the length of 3'" and/or the 4" spring ?
Do you have to drill the hole for the track bar if you have a drop pitman arm?
Yes, if you do not want to drill we would recommend looking into an adjustable track back in addition to this kit!
I wonder why if never sprayed wd40 on the bolts and nuts before he stuck them back in . And how come he didn’t use a coil spring compress tool
How do you behave with that lift driving on the road? Things that should be changed when lifting it with this kit.
I am looking for a TJ jeep and I am interested in modifying it and I would like to know how it behaves that suspension, since I will not be doing all the time off road.
Nice claw hammer- lol
I dont think its good practice to tighten down the control arms while the suspension is at full droop. Better to let it down on the tires and then torque them up. Otherwise you'll bind the bushings.
¿Y cuánto se puede cobrar por ese trabajo ?
and how much can be charged for that job?
I would recommend calling a local shop for install quotes, every area is going to be a little different with pricing. -Zach
A mi me combraron $1100 por todo. Incluyendo mano de obra y partes
If anyone is still watching this in 2024. Never put a 6” lift on a Jeep unless you really really really need it and are planning to do some serious off roading. You will regret it!!!
Does the lift kit come with the sleeves that he pushes into the sway bar links. And if not where can I buy those sleeves
Did anyone ever answer this?
can i use that on my jeep YJ?
Alejandro Perez Villavicencio yes you can
yjs have different kits for their year
Yeah but they use leaf springs instead coils
am I crazy - I kinda like the look of the lift with the orig tires
A claw hammer??? Are you kidding me, I didn't think this was "this ole house on pbs! " HAHAHAHA
Why did he not use a spring compressor
The compressor can get tangled up and be difficult to take out in such a tight space. With enough persuasion you can get the axle down and the spring into place!
did you used the factor brake lines up front? I saw that you disconnected the line tab, but there was not further mention of the lines.
I would recommend longer brake lines for both the front and rear of a Jeep with 4” of lift on it, especially if the Jeep will go off road and flex. - Ryan
ExtremeTerrain.com would you need this for a 3 inch lift?
A little Rustoleum goes a long way, then fluid film that poor jeep.
Does anyone know whether or not installing the 4" lift kit is identical to the 3.25" RC lift kit installation? I can't find a proper installation video for my 01 TJ for the 3.25" kit.
Wearwoodude yes it is but I would suggest getting a adjustable track bar it will make life so much easier
So you buy a 4 inch lift kit to gain 2 inches of clearance with crappy shocks that you are going to replace anyway? I don't get it, so I won't buy it.
A claw hammer??? Wow.
Only if the bolts come loose as easily as he makes it look
Trust us... it was not as easy as he made it look. Lol.
why won’t this fit the 03-06?
nooksolo Rough country has two versions of this lift kit one of them is for 03 - 06
between 02 and 03, Jeep made changes to how the Transfer case skid plate bolted up. The kit (minus the Transfer case drop bracket) are identical.
**Side note. @ 18:55 either get a $35 track bar bracket, or a new adjustable trackbar. please never drill a new hole... you have so much force on a trackbar, and you're attempting to hold it by 1/16"-1/8" of metal. just say no. spend an extra $35 and get a trackbar relocation bracket that suits your lift size.
MoeGravey that’s the answer i was looking for. thank you!
Shop full of tolls uses a claw hammer.......
no safety glasses with rust smh
That rust on the frame look like some shit I see in Michigan lol
Can you spend a hundred bucks to replace those damn faded fender flares? It looks terrible.
Why is this lift kit so cheap?
The rust just bothers me
Welcome to the land of stripped threads and stretched/broken hardware.
Do you guys even know what a torque wrench is? Starting bolts with an impact gun? Really?
If I saw this idiot working on my vehicle, he would never touch it again...
Ron Le Vine lol
Cry about it pussy
that time of month again Ron
he did it with a low powered electric drill, quit bitching you over sensitive fuckin millennial. if it cross threaded it would have stopped itself with no damage done..
2.5 lift with 33x10.5r15 works just fine. But doesnt Look as cool
That's a lot of rust. I'd sell that jeep to the scrap yard and buy onother that isn't rusted.
Can you really take a technician serious when he is using carpentry tools in your vid .. NO the answer is no .. and that's where I shut it off
Please , Please , Please , turn off the stupid music in your vids.
No. Thanks for watching! 😎 -Zach
i fell asleep
Rough Country will not hold up off roading. Cheep Chinese thin metal parts. If you are going to put around town ok I guess but not for off roading. I have known to many people that had to be recovered due to broken suspension parts made by Rough Country. Something to think about..
i wouldnt let this guy fix me a sandwich,, terrible use of tools