Update: Shortly after publishing this review, we noticed the Orion X has gone back up to the original £3799 asking price. It was already far too steep at £3299, but with the price now closer to four thousands pounds (!), it is simply not worth considering without major improvements.
Likely the 4080 would cost them more than 250 bucks. I’d say closer to 400 as Nvidia don’t give companies massive reductions. But regardless this system at this price needs a 4090. Right now I’d struggle to recommend this at 2500. Never mind 3800
Dominic, I felt your pain - i like the appearance of it - its a very attractive mini PC, but the cost increase over a system using similar parts is literally 200%. I imagine you will get some very rich kids buying this - with limited hardware knowledge. Once I saw 4080, in a system at 3800, I just couldnt believe Acer marketing sent you this for a review thinking you would say it was a great buy. Great analysis and honest results and conclusion!
It’s a beaut looking pc imo However, I feel Acer needs to change the following: - swap the i9-13900KS for an i7-13700K. (Due to the bad motherboard vrm design and unable to get any performance benefits of the i9 cpu) and reduce the sales price further! - Swap the CL46 5600 DDR5 (garbage tier) for CL34/36 7200 DDR5 ram (minimal cost difference) - if Acer is going for 2x Gen3 x4 PCI Express 1TB SSDs ….. swap them for 2x 2TB Gen 3 x4 drives for actual good storage capacity for the price being charge as there’s minimal cost difference for the system price being charged! In addition drop the price to £2,999 to make it a better competitor in the prebuilt market.
I got the I7 13700KF version with a 4080 for 2400 euros in Germany from Coolblue. Installed me another 990 2tb samsung drive. System is a beast. Can swap the RAM but it prob wont give any significant FPS boost. Turned XMP on from the start.
the AIO radiator "in and out" port position of the pump is perfect. that ensure the pump turbine chamber will always SUBMERGED no matter what. seeing the predator logo on the pump LED means that water cooling AIO made by acer? well, i would want to look for that. that pump I/O port is the correct position for any liquid pump engineering wise, should be positioned OVER the turbine chamber.
@@KitGuruTech yes, when I saw that it was quite a moment. they must be really worried about long term thermal build up inside the case and potential RMA
Hi, I got the system for my gaming needs and not gonna lie... the aesthetics were appealing. I got my version with an 4080 super and the i9 for 2.500€ (2.7k USD or 2130 pound) which in my opinion is more reasonable than the asking price in the uk. Thank you for the review! (Edit: I checked for the i7 and 4080 and this version was 1990 Pounds/2300€. I think you can get them for a reasonable price in germany:P)
Quite a cool running system for a 4k gaming PC they've done quite a good job in thermal management. I tend to prefer a cooler running system as heat tends just to age everything.
ts a really cool looking case, but I dont know who would in reality sacrifice building a system with a 4090 in it, for the same price. I can't see anyone looking at this who isnt aware of that - its such a high end niche audience. They need to drop that to £2,999.99 IMO
Nearly 4000 £?? No optical/digital out. The amount of USB ports is questinonable. Gen3 SSDs? really? The lack luster I/O combined with the basic systemlayout, does not recflect the asking price. On top of that, pairing the 13900KS with the formfactor/hardware seems to be not able to handle the heat load at all. So it makes no sense at all, to pair this cpu with the case/coolingsolution. Is it just to print big numbers/names on the box, and hope it sells itself? The price is way to high. Btw: Is the Ethernet 2.5 Gigabit? Also what WiFi standard is supported out of the box by the system? Thanks for the review.
They problaly choose 900KS for better profit, which is the only problem for me... Gen 3 SSD isnt any big deal, most ppl cant even feel difference between SATA and NVME. Pre-built is always overprice, if there exist a i7 version and provide reliable warranty, it will be all good.
Lol, putting a literally room heater in the form of 13900 KS and a 4090 in a tiny case. I see no problems with cooling or dissipating the heat from the case.
No offense to acer but what an absolute shambles of a system. Massive tdp limit hampering performance. Terrible motherboard which could likely overheat VRMs. And a system price to put a 4090 system to shame. Gen 3 drives ? 😮 Shocking really. Stunned they sent this to Kitguru expecting all of this to be ignored. 🤓
That design is kind of silly, but the right amount of silly. Nice one. SSD isn't really mission critical. Sure, PCIe 4 would be preferable. But you won't notice it much. I would probably prefer intel 13700 or even better - Ryzen 7800X3D, but whatever. The main problem though is the price point. It just slaps all reasoning in the face.
This is massively overpriced. Needs a pci gen 5. A better motherboard, double the memory and a 4090 to justify this price. CPU limiting is a massive issue here with the power restrictions too 🤷🏻♂️
High end "gaming" prebuilts are nearly always scam, you get low quality board ram ssd, bad cooling, absurdly bad designed complex and expensive cases, hellish temps and throttling CPUs (they always put burning hot i9 instead of cool 7800X3D..) , gimped BIOS etc.. that stands for Corsair, Dell Aliennware, and MSI too For comparison my 7950X3D scores 35K in CBR23 to 30K for this "thing"
Those ads in the middle of the video that keep going from one sentence in the actual video into a sentence from the ad with like half a second in between are kinda annoying. They're confusing, always make me pause and check if another video started playing randomly since the context completely changes. Would be nice if those could be a bit better separated.
Update: Shortly after publishing this review, we noticed the Orion X has gone back up to the original £3799 asking price. It was already far too steep at £3299, but with the price now closer to four thousands pounds (!), it is simply not worth considering without major improvements.
Almost 4 grand? what are they thinking !
Plenty of morons out there that would buy it🤔🤣
@@user-uv8qn1br8q even with a profit margin £3200 seemed excessive to me. they must get 4080s for £500 from nvidia factories
How much would a 4080 cost acer in bulk ? 250 bucks ? That’s some mark up. 😮
Likely the 4080 would cost them more than 250 bucks. I’d say closer to 400 as Nvidia don’t give companies massive reductions. But regardless this system at this price needs a 4090. Right now I’d struggle to recommend this at 2500. Never mind 3800
PCIE Gen 3 SSDs in a $4,000 pre-built system? That's two generations old and it shows in the speed benchmarks. Absolutely mental!
The spec for the price is absolutely insane isnt it ?! I dont know how they expect this to get a good review
It’s crazy.
Gen 3 drives and Gen 5 are about to be released. 😮
@@thetechdevil-jn1vo Gen 5 driver are here.
Most likely just the cheapest OEM drives in stock at that moment.
So basically four grand for a system with a 4080. Thanks for the honest review Dominic !
Good honest review. I’m just stunned they sent it to you guys knowing how Indepth you go on testing. 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks! 👍
Dominic, I felt your pain - i like the appearance of it - its a very attractive mini PC, but the cost increase over a system using similar parts is literally 200%. I imagine you will get some very rich kids buying this - with limited hardware knowledge. Once I saw 4080, in a system at 3800, I just couldnt believe Acer marketing sent you this for a review thinking you would say it was a great buy.
Great analysis and honest results and conclusion!
thanks!
It’s a mad price for what you get. And it’s power limited too. Way beyond what it shoule be
It’s a beaut looking pc imo
However, I feel Acer needs to change the following:
- swap the i9-13900KS for an i7-13700K. (Due to the bad motherboard vrm design and unable to get any performance benefits of the i9 cpu) and reduce the sales price further!
- Swap the CL46 5600 DDR5 (garbage tier) for CL34/36 7200 DDR5 ram (minimal cost difference)
- if Acer is going for 2x Gen3 x4 PCI Express 1TB SSDs ….. swap them for 2x 2TB Gen 3 x4 drives for actual good storage capacity for the price being charge as there’s minimal cost difference for the system price being charged!
In addition drop the price to £2,999 to make it a better competitor in the prebuilt market.
I got the I7 13700KF version with a 4080 for 2400 euros in Germany from Coolblue. Installed me another 990 2tb samsung drive. System is a beast. Can swap the RAM but it prob wont give any significant FPS boost. Turned XMP on from the start.
@@Denders-NLbist du zufrieden mit deinem pc ?
The case looks really cool and has some great features. I might try finding one second hand one day but Acer's dreamin with those prices!
Enjoyed this review Dominic. Thanks 👍🏻
the AIO radiator "in and out" port position of the pump is perfect. that ensure the pump turbine chamber will always SUBMERGED no matter what. seeing the predator logo on the pump LED means that water cooling AIO made by acer? well, i would want to look for that. that pump I/O port is the correct position for any liquid pump engineering wise, should be positioned OVER the turbine chamber.
i've got no problem with the AIO - it works fine, partly due to the fact the CPU is limited to 150W PL1!
@@KitGuruTech yes, when I saw that it was quite a moment. they must be really worried about long term thermal build up inside the case and potential RMA
Well done Dominic. Really well constructed analysis
Hey Dominic nice review. I like the system but it’s in serious need of a price reduction !!
At least someone is finally using that case.
Hi, I got the system for my gaming needs and not gonna lie... the aesthetics were appealing. I got my version with an 4080 super and the i9 for 2.500€ (2.7k USD or 2130 pound) which in my opinion is more reasonable than the asking price in the uk. Thank you for the review! (Edit: I checked for the i7 and 4080 and this version was 1990 Pounds/2300€. I think you can get them for a reasonable price in germany:P)
Wow that’s much better !!
Good review Dominic. What a crazy retail price for the hardware.
Agreed!
Quite a cool running system for a 4k gaming PC they've done quite a good job in thermal management. I tend to prefer a cooler running system as heat tends just to age everything.
Its nice but pricey
are you guys still using cougar s armor royal?
if so how is it holding up for 3 years?
ts a really cool looking case, but I dont know who would in reality sacrifice building a system with a 4090 in it, for the same price. I can't see anyone looking at this who isnt aware of that - its such a high end niche audience. They need to drop that to £2,999.99 IMO
Kind of like that case design reminds me of System Shock for some reason.
Nearly 4000 £?? No optical/digital out. The amount of USB ports is questinonable. Gen3 SSDs? really? The lack luster I/O combined with the basic systemlayout, does not recflect the asking price. On top of that, pairing the 13900KS with the formfactor/hardware seems to be not able to handle the heat load at all. So it makes no sense at all, to pair this cpu with the case/coolingsolution. Is it just to print big numbers/names on the box, and hope it sells itself? The price is way to high. Btw: Is the Ethernet 2.5 Gigabit? Also what WiFi standard is supported out of the box by the system? Thanks for the review.
It's WIFI 6E, Ethernet is unspecified so it may well just be 1Gb...
@@KitGuruTech Thanks for answering my question.
Great review that. That’s not a very well thought out system. Not sure what they are doing.
Great review!
Why was XMP off as default? Was it an oversight on their part?
Would have been interesting to see if there was any difference in the benchmarks by switching that on.
You could build a 7800X3D system with double the RAM, quadruple the SSD and an RTX 4090 for ~£3k...
I just want that case!
They problaly choose 900KS for better profit, which is the only problem for me...
Gen 3 SSD isnt any big deal, most ppl cant even feel difference between SATA and NVME.
Pre-built is always overprice, if there exist a i7 version and provide reliable warranty, it will be all good.
Very questionable. Yea that about sums it up. Are they just picking price figures from the air here ?
Wow. Just wow. 😮
Lol, putting a literally room heater in the form of 13900 KS and a 4090 in a tiny case. I see no problems with cooling or dissipating the heat from the case.
Pcie gen 3 drives with a 4080 and a power limited intel cpu for almost 4 grand. Yes please I will have two !
Cut down on your sponsor breaks in between, they’re really annoying when watching your videos!
Otherwise a good video👌
No offense to acer but what an absolute shambles of a system. Massive tdp limit hampering performance. Terrible motherboard which could likely overheat VRMs. And a system price to put a 4090 system to shame. Gen 3 drives ? 😮
Shocking really. Stunned they sent this to Kitguru expecting all of this to be ignored. 🤓
That design is kind of silly, but the right amount of silly. Nice one. SSD isn't really mission critical. Sure, PCIe 4 would be preferable. But you won't notice it much.
I would probably prefer intel 13700 or even better - Ryzen 7800X3D, but whatever. The main problem though is the price point. It just slaps all reasoning in the face.
This is massively overpriced. Needs a pci gen 5. A better motherboard, double the memory and a 4090 to justify this price. CPU limiting is a massive issue here with the power restrictions too 🤷🏻♂️
A good prebuilt these days is hard to find...
I love your reviews
I quite like acer but this is such an insanely priced system.
Nice very custom PC but it's a bit too expensive for me. Can get more for less.
Yeah I agree
Key part is the custom bit. Its very customised and therefore really expensive.
Should have used amd in this Dominic.
👍👍
my i7 13700k is getting 31,400 in R23
Wow this thing is literally £1500 overpriced.
i can't believe the price went back up - i figured it had been reduced because they realised how steep it was!
High end "gaming" prebuilts are nearly always scam, you get low quality board ram ssd, bad cooling, absurdly bad designed complex and expensive cases, hellish temps and throttling CPUs (they always put burning hot i9 instead of cool 7800X3D..) , gimped BIOS etc.. that stands for Corsair, Dell Aliennware, and MSI too
For comparison my 7950X3D scores 35K in CBR23 to 30K for this "thing"
Those ads in the middle of the video that keep going from one sentence in the actual video into a sentence from the ad with like half a second in between are kinda annoying. They're confusing, always make me pause and check if another video started playing randomly since the context completely changes. Would be nice if those could be a bit better separated.
What price is their 4090 version ? 10 grand 😂
Don't like the burning company Nvidia. They didn't pay for burning 4090 connectors even before or after cablemod
What on earth are acer doing !!!
Sad, system looks pretty cool. But Acer somehow manages to make it overpriced and under performing.
spoiler alert: it's not worth it
Spoiler alert: Do you want to have a good laugh?