Love the vlogs Ben. I think on that first hand you should just c-bet the flop. the KQ most likely folds and you can either build a pot for when you hit or you can barrel off when you pick up more equity when a heart comes in. or you can simply check back the turn when you don't hit or pick up more equity. Might be results oriented but I would almost always C-Bet a ace high rainbow flop after raising pre-flop.
I think how you played your straight is fine. I would never fold here because player could be doing that with set or 2 pair. I suppose it could be a toss up if you're familiar enough with the player to know if he/she is only shoving on the nuts or if they'll do that with anything better than top pair/single pair on a board like that.
I think you check call on that river, because he might have called ur big turn bet with some combo draws, expecting other players to come along. Since the flush missed and it's one card to the straight, and you're the opening raiser from the LJ he might think to try and bluff you off an ace with a big bet there, which you still pay off (obv)
Maybe it's a leak in my own game, but I'm likely playing the turn and river the exact same way. Just looks like a standard cooler that's near impossible to avoid. However, I'm most likely c-betting the flop with the range advantage. Maybe that's how I avoid the same result.
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Been following yr vlogs for while..love the content and u Def solid player...though this year it seems u been running kind of bad are you in green at the moment for the year or in red??
Ben, Not that it matters, here's my opinion on your call. Had you not described the player as a regular grinder, I think its an ok call. I found A J and the other Ace x two pairs possible over value punts or " blufffs". Thats a bad board and really bad SPR to be a bluff. I think that was blocker bet fold against a known. The infirnation will pay off for you in future encounters. Its just an investment.
The first hand you should have just followed through on the flop with a continuation bet. You can easily have an ace there plus your hand obviously hasn't come in yet and if you do get called then youre building a pot with 8 outs to the stones. That's not the worst spot to be on. He probably folds KQ on that flop. Hindsight is everything though but it's hard not to bet any A high or K high flop when you initially raise. Complete range advantage as the nerds would say.
I think I am going for a check/call line on that river against most opponents as played. I could also see a world where I decide to bet/fold against certain type of opponents as well who would never show up with a bluff or chop. The other option which I would take against some percieved weaker opponents is just jam it on them and hope to get called off by 2 pairs and sets. The option you took to bet the amount you did and call, in my opinion is the worst. If i do bet, I am certainly going for a bet/fold line... especially since a solid player. With all that said, you said yourself it is a rare situation to begin with, so you kind of have to find the right play in the moment. I think you played it the worst way possible but that is how it goes sometimes and we learn from it and move on! I am not trying to be results oriented here, there are probably worlds where i make this same mistake... but never make it again. All it takes is one time to put your hand on the oven and your probably not going to it again.
I think you have to ask yourself on the river if I bet what am I trying to accomplish..Obviously there's many times you're chopping here so a bet accomplishes nothing vs a hand that's chopping...If you're beat you're not only losing the amount you bet but obviously even more if they raise which in general will be more..I think as played I check fold or check call river depending on player type and the size of his bet...So I agree with your comment as well just saying the same thing a little differently..
Villain can also have Q9 suited there and float the turn picking up equity with straight and 2nd nut flush. Im playing this very cautious and going with my gut. Im curious if you called because you felt you had to ho,ding such a strong hand. Then again that board is pretty bluffable for him while your options are limited. Considering his raise I’m folding out and waiting for a better spot. Still a touch one to lay down. It’s like when you have AA but know your beat by some shitty set but still can’t fold it. We’ve all done it.
Ben I just got to see the offspring as well. They play down here in Ventura last night, which is Tuesday.…. It was such a good show.… took my 16-year-old daughter to her first concert and she got a bunch of stuff autographed including the set list. It was amazing.!!! Keep up the awesome poker and keep that winning streak alive brother!
First hand you have 9Th, board comes A87 one heart, turn Jh. You say you see that as the best possible turn card because it also gives you a flush draw along with the nuts…. then the hands play out and proves what you should have known already, the best possible turn cards would have given you the nuts with no flush draw possible.
The only hand that makes sense for the guy to have is KQ of hearts. Generally, when I’m calling a raise to maybe win half the pot or sometimes lose, I’m folding, especially in a tournament. Here in your cash game it looks like it costs you $400 to win $1000 - pretty good price even though a lot of the time I think you’re beat.
Me too. I think Ben is overthinking this hand because he paid him off. He played the hand pretty well. The river bet could indulce a light call or a bluff. Just a bad run.
Especially as the pre-flop aggressor, I question the flop check with 4 players in, you would have taken it down right there and moved on to the next hand. Anyone that did call a flop bet would have been drawing dead on the turn.
you are 1) out of position in a "way ahead/way behind" situation.. thus CHECK is suggested. Also, bart hanson is decent against weak players but he does poorly vs good players. and please explain the rationale with Bart's hand vs Sia. its a fold preflop.. but even if you call preflop, hitting top pair you are more likely behind, so when the K hits river, its never a call. . even bart realizes at end its a FOLD PRE, thus why he even says it..
RE: Hand 1, I’d have probably check called river jam expecting to see 2 pair or a set that he turned into a bluff. KQhh is the only hand that beats you & I’m not even sure if he has pot odds to call your turn raise.
I would have played the 10 9 hearts hand the exact same way. A) it looks weak and you get paid off light B) It looks weak and u get jammed on light (even though theres really no fold equity) C) your gonna lose all your money anyway as he's basically got KQ of Hearts or worse and you're never folding.
@@marktastic86 every game this season has had horrific calls. Browns had new QB, best RB in football out and with the best defense in the league, found a way to keep it close. You also failed to mention bad calls against the Browns as well. Absolutely the better team won, they got lucky to be sure, but little doubt the better team won
Ben you are a very solid winning player......of that there is no doubt. When the 9 is infinitely possible for you to have like it of course was in this spot, two pair paying off is a little fairly tailish. Though you obviously don't vlog every hand, your play style in general over the 100's of hands I've seen you play is just not really going to get paid off with less than a 9. I mean this as objectively as possible as I am a big fan. The perhaps hard truth to hear is that you over estimate your image as somebody who is a tricky player who is dead balanced and loves going for thin value. In actuality you are a touch on the nitty side, which honestly isn't even a bad thing.
Honestly I think I go with a check call line there. The only hand he can have that beats you is KhQh. I don't think he's ever calling KQo. It's a horrible card to land but he's going to have that so little that I don't think it's worth over thinking. But what a vile vile spot that is
As played I'm check calling there - It's difficult to figure out what he's paying you off with even for a smallish bet like that that you are beating I didn't follow the rationale for checking flop as I was watching this unfold though
I probably would have did what you did, including paying him off. But if he is really tight, and you know it I may have bet folded and never let him or the rest of the table know that I folded that hand. That info could be targeted in the future. Or maybe it would bring you some credit when you bluff. 🤷♂️
@@BenDeach and while you are at it, have him explain the AQo call out of position vs a 3bet from sia hand. he couldnt talk his way out of that hand play unless he simply says he was doing it for the stream. horrible play preflop and on the river. and you say he is the best? sigh
Obviously a horrible runout so in that spot I think a check is the best play, then u probably payoff a small bet and just fold to his all in but I think you know that
I really don’t think 99 flat flats the turn especially if he’s a good player as Ben says. Hes drawing to a four card straight and could likely be drawing to a chop already (which he would have been). He also would never jam the river there with just a 9. It’s also harder for him to have a 9 with Ben holding one. A smart player would have additional turn equity to take that line
@@nicholi2789, why couldn't he jam on the end with just a nine? He would know that the best hero had was a nine as well. And if he were to watch Ben's vlogs he would know that he's also capable of making a big laydown.
@@skelthouser2730 I mean he could. I just don’t see it. I think most good players just call there with a 9 9.5/10 times. Especially given how strong Ben’s line was. Ben could have had KQhh if he didn’t given the check, raise turn, bet river line. Just my opinion though.
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Ben --- On the 910hh hand, I would argue you both missed a bet on the flop and under raised the turn. Then to your question, on the river as you played it, I would say it is a bet fold situation as the blocker bet stops him from posturing all in with position if you check (you also get value from set or two pair if they choose to call you), but once he goes all in over you what hand is he pushing all in with that you can beat? Regarding flop, your logic for not betting is you won’t get an A to fold. True, but as no villain reraised you preflop, the villains are less likely to have big Aces in their range but you are more likely as the preflop raiser. Will a villain with a marginal Ace call bets across multiple streets against an uncapped preflop raiser who easily could have AK? Maybe? And, you have the straight draw to fall back on that comes in 30% of the time by the river, plus backdoor flush draw. I get in both situations of having straight and backdoor flush draw you end up dominated by KQhh which is worst hand for you in this. I think the reason why this hand is so difficult is you are facing the worst hand for your opponent to have. This hand is a cooler in many ways and I think that part you need to shrug off. But, getting back to betting on flop, it charges villian’s charging draws, knocks out marginal villain hands like under pairs, bottom pair, potential runner runner hands, and most importantly, helps to avoid you falling into predictable patterns. I’ll ask you this, if you’re not going to bet this hand on this board, what hands are you betting on this board to balance when you do flop an Ace if your logic is I’m not going to bet because I can’t get someone off an Ace? Are you just betting when you have a pair of Aces with a big Ace and checking when you have a small Ace or no Ace when you are the preflop raiser against multiple opponents on an A high board? Then there is the issue of the raise to 200 on the turn. Your raise puts the pot at 440. Yes, the villain does not have the correct odds to call in this situation as he has 10 outs once with you holding the 9 and 10 of hearts. But, he does get credit for the implied odds of you doubling him up. The implied odds can make his call profitable depending on his analysis of how often you will pay off when he hits the gin card and coolers you. All of his gin cards complete either a runner runner backdoor straight or backdoor flush. It is hard for players to not payoff when an opponent runner runners them especially when one of the runner runner card also improves the hero's hand significantly. If villain believed you would pay an all in off on the river if he hits his gin card, then you are giving him the right odds to call with your 200 dollar turn bet as he is effectively paying 200 to win 1040. Beyond trying to make his pot odds and implied odds less favorable, a larger raise also puts pressure on the villain. By betting 200, the villain has 600 behind after the turn call (60 big blinds) so he still has room to navigate in future hands if his draws brick out in this hand and he has to fold. I get that a larger turn raise will scream I have the 910 for the current nut straight but isn’t your raise to 200 dollars after checking the flop with a second heart coming on the board doing that anyway? You allowed the villain to play for the chance of doubling up (plus winning what is already in the pot) while only risking 1/4 of his stack. Some people also look at total dollar amount of hand. Paying 200 dollar to chase a potential double up feels different than 350 or 400 dollars in total money. I know that is the wrong way to look at things, it is big blinds and pot odds, but many players in cash games are influenced by the dollar amount as it is real money. Your giving him a "friendly" raise on the turn. Your turn raise does not put the "Fear of Phil Ivey" into him. I absolutely recognize that it is very possible this particular villain won’t go away even if you bet on flop as he has backdoor straight and flush draws on the flop and turning the J of hearts is a great card for him on the turn. Against KQhh specifically, this hand may have played out exactly the same and that is why the hand feels so difficult but, respectfully, I think you missed a flop bet and under raised the turn, but as you played, should have bet folded the river. But, I'm just some guy talking on the internet after the fact, no disrespect intended. Thanks as always for the outstanding vlog. Sincerely, A Monday Evening Quarterback.
@@skelthouser2730: Great point. My focus is hero should have bet flop and raised more on turn. You are correct it is likely a pot committed situation by river if there is a bet on flop and larger raise on turn with villain calling. But, I think there is a good chance the villain recognizes that he is pot committed on the turn if he calls so will either push all in or fold if hero makes a larger bet that makes villain stack to pot ratio under 1 on the turn. Getting all the money on the turn is a better result than how it was played in my opinion as now it is straight pot odds with no implied odds, hero is getting money in good at that point, and he has ability to run it twice. You are 100% correct that if villain calls a larger bet for some reason on turn then it is a pot committed situation with SPR well under 1. My point about bet folding on river was answering Ben's question about how hand was played with flop check and small turn raise but I realize it was not clear as written.
First hand (Th9h) - jam the river. I don't think he ever has Q9. If he has KhQh, good for him. But I think he's got a ton of sets, which will likely check back. But if he somehow has KQ, then he shoves and you call. So jam, collect from his sets, and say "Nice hand" if he has KhQh. Now I'll press "play".
My rule about this (that I learned from players better than me) is that if you're in a spot where you're going to get stacked by better hands, you need to be sure you stack the weaker ones. When your opponent cold-calls your raise on the turn, it seems that he should have a set almost always, and (as it played out) KhQh, maybe 6h5h? Anyway, there are 6 combos (3 @ 77, 88 - he shouldn't have AA or JJ). So you're 6:1 to have the best hand. But sets probably check the river, and KQ jams. So you jam first, collect from all the sets and value-own against KhQh.
I don't understand why you are so against playing 1-2 at the GSR. You'll get different content from around Reno. And I heard the games play much bigger than 1-2 and the games are way easier for a profit
Two comments: (1) How in the name of hell did the 49ers manage to lose to the Browns? (2) In that hand you talked about at the beginning, I thought the other player had Q9, for the turn would have given him a double-gutter. In either case, MAYBE a semi-bluff bet on the flop would have gotten that opponent to fold. Who knows?
Having one 9 doesn't mean u block anything. Saying u can rule out any possibility of a hand because u have one card drives me crazy. If u have 2 9s and there are 2 9s on the board then u block any chance of him having a 9. U having a 9 makes it less likely he has Q9 but doesn't block anything from happening
Non Pros will not bluff all in on the river. You knew he probably had it so why call the all in? The 250 bet on the river was OK for value but he was going to go all in regardless so it was just a gift as was you call.
Don't really understand the reasoning for not betting on flop. Yes the ace doesn't fold but wouldn't you want to fold out everything scared of the ace and if the ace calls you have like 30% equity going into the turn. Idk I've watched a lot of your videos and it seems you always get into weird spots because you play very conservative
Your reasoning for not betting the flop in the first hand is completely wrong-headed. You are the pre-flop raiser and it's an Ace-high board. Betting will fold out many hands that are better than your ten-high including, dare I point out, KQhh. Other good things will happen like gaining position when the button folds, and probably being checked to on the turn.
I think you got unlucky against a bad/loose player. I'm not an expert on pot odds, but I think that if he always calls your bet on the turn he will lose money in the long run. He should be winning this hand 22% of the time, but his bet needs 41% equity to make money long term. That was a loose call. He river'd the straight, he got lucky. This time. But I don't think you played the flop well. The board showing 78o gives potential draws, and there are a lot of hands in the button's range he can call with pre-flop that will connect here. Going into the turn 4 handed in this spot isn't my idea of a good time, and I would have bet the flop 1/2 - 2/3 pot to flush out anyone on a draw. He was on a backdoor draw at this point, so he might have tossed his cards. And the guys you were looking for action with may have paired a weak ace (all A# combos are in the SB's range.) But you raise to 200 (over-bet the pot) on the turn with the board showing 3 to the straight, that's gonna drive someone off a weak top pair, and keep a loose player like your opponent around hoping that he keeps improving (he's got 4 to the 2nd nut flush now too.) It's tough to bet out on a draw on the flop, but you can also learn the strength of other hands, and if maybe someone has top pair. Absolutely check an open ended draw heads up, but 4 way? No, you need to know what the deal is before that turn card.
I wonder if villain ever gets here with pocket nines at the end and decides to try to push hero off of a likely chop? The checks on the flop, small turn bet and picking up a gutshot, then hitting it on the river... Either way, not folding to the river shove.
Your making more of this then there is… He just called then goes all in…. bluff or Straight? Obviously, best YOU could do is chop there. EASY FOLD! My opinion ..
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Love the vlogs Ben. I think on that first hand you should just c-bet the flop. the KQ most likely folds and you can either build a pot for when you hit or you can barrel off when you pick up more equity when a heart comes in. or you can simply check back the turn when you don't hit or pick up more equity. Might be results oriented but I would almost always C-Bet a ace high rainbow flop after raising pre-flop.
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I think how you played your straight is fine. I would never fold here because player could be doing that with set or 2 pair. I suppose it could be a toss up if you're familiar enough with the player to know if he/she is only shoving on the nuts or if they'll do that with anything better than top pair/single pair on a board like that.
Check call the river for sure ... I was thinking kq of hearts and sure enough
I think you check call on that river, because he might have called ur big turn bet with some combo draws, expecting other players to come along. Since the flush missed and it's one card to the straight, and you're the opening raiser from the LJ he might think to try and bluff you off an ace with a big bet there, which you still pay off (obv)
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Maybe it's a leak in my own game, but I'm likely playing the turn and river the exact same way. Just looks like a standard cooler that's near impossible to avoid.
However, I'm most likely c-betting the flop with the range advantage. Maybe that's how I avoid the same result.
Check call river. Results were the same regardless, happens. Poker.
4:12 A) bet/call
Hey Ben, nice turn on the big hand and congrats on 12 in a row. Cheers from Cincinnati.
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On that first hand I put him on Ace Jack. That made the most sense to me on why he bet the way he did and maybe put you on AK or a busted flush draw.
Why did you not bet your range on the flop at the beginning?
That's what I'm wondering. KQs would likely fold with just a backdoor draw, and top pair would have stuck around to pay him off.
Try to fold hands which contain a ten....A10, Q10, 910,....it can be a troublesome spot. Play the higher Broadway cards.
Ben, you should send in the hand you discussed at the beginning of the video to Bart's call in show that he has on Mondays, if your schedule allows.
Been following yr vlogs for while..love the content and u Def solid player...though this year it seems u been running kind of bad are you in green at the moment for the year or in red??
True about the 1st hand, but semi bluffing there will get KK, QQ etc off tho.
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I would jammed on the river . I also think that flop is a mandatory C-bet . Based on your perceived range and hand
Check I think would have been appropriate, doubt he would have jammed and you could evaluate his sizing
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Option B
Im calling
my opinion: check call or bet all in
how many hands against the KH/QH did you see him play, and how what kind of player did you consider him
Ben,
Not that it matters, here's my opinion on your call.
Had you not described the player as a regular grinder, I think its an ok call.
I found A J and the other Ace x two pairs possible over value punts or " blufffs".
Thats a bad board and really bad SPR to be a bluff.
I think that was blocker bet fold against a known.
The infirnation will pay off for you in future encounters.
Its just an investment.
Option A
Ben, 250 sounds good value bet. And it would jad been insane to fold for 350 more. Sometimes thats how cookie crumbles.😢
The first hand you should have just followed through on the flop with a continuation bet. You can easily have an ace there plus your hand obviously hasn't come in yet and if you do get called then youre building a pot with 8 outs to the stones. That's not the worst spot to be on. He probably folds KQ on that flop. Hindsight is everything though but it's hard not to bet any A high or K high flop when you initially raise. Complete range advantage as the nerds would say.
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I think I would have bet fold. You call to bluff or at best split. Not best odds either way
In my state a tiger like that is catch and release
I think I am going for a check/call line on that river against most opponents as played.
I could also see a world where I decide to bet/fold against certain type of opponents as well who would never show up with a bluff or chop.
The other option which I would take against some percieved weaker opponents is just jam it on them and hope to get called off by 2 pairs and sets.
The option you took to bet the amount you did and call, in my opinion is the worst. If i do bet, I am certainly going for a bet/fold line... especially since a solid player.
With all that said, you said yourself it is a rare situation to begin with, so you kind of have to find the right play in the moment. I think you played it the worst way possible but that is how it goes sometimes and we learn from it and move on!
I am not trying to be results oriented here, there are probably worlds where i make this same mistake... but never make it again. All it takes is one time to put your hand on the oven and your probably not going to it again.
I think you have to ask yourself on the river if I bet what am I trying to accomplish..Obviously there's many times you're chopping here so a bet accomplishes nothing vs a hand that's chopping...If you're beat you're not only losing the amount you bet but obviously even more if they raise which in general will be more..I think as played I check fold or check call river depending on player type and the size of his bet...So I agree with your comment as well just saying the same thing a little differently..
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Villain can also have Q9 suited there and float the turn picking up equity with straight and 2nd nut flush. Im playing this very cautious and going with my gut. Im curious if you called because you felt you had to ho,ding such a strong hand. Then again that board is pretty bluffable for him while your options are limited. Considering his raise I’m folding out and waiting for a better spot. Still a touch one to lay down. It’s like when you have AA but know your beat by some shitty set but still can’t fold it. We’ve all done it.
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First hand you have 9Th, board comes A87 one heart, turn Jh. You say you see that as the best possible turn card because it also gives you a flush draw along with the nuts…. then the hands play out and proves what you should have known already, the best possible turn cards would have given you the nuts with no flush draw possible.
All dealers there show burn and mucked cards? (Check the AJs hand)
Curious Ben, u mention CLP best training, are u talking about videos, courses or all
Videos and podcasts. Both have helped me a lot. But the main CLP pod is the one thing I absolutely never miss.
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The only hand that makes sense for the guy to have is KQ of hearts.
Generally, when I’m calling a raise to maybe win half the pot or sometimes lose, I’m folding, especially in a tournament.
Here in your cash game it looks like it costs you $400 to win $1000 - pretty good price even though a lot of the time I think you’re beat.
My take on things:
I put him on pocket 9’s that caught the straight on the end.
I would have done exactly what you did.
Unlucky run out - all it was
Me too. I think Ben is overthinking this hand because he paid him off. He played the hand pretty well. The river bet could indulce a light call or a bluff. Just a bad run.
Especially as the pre-flop aggressor, I question the flop check with 4 players in, you would have taken it down right there and moved on to the next hand. Anyone that did call a flop bet would have been drawing dead on the turn.
you are 1) out of position in a "way ahead/way behind" situation.. thus CHECK is suggested. Also, bart hanson is decent against weak players but he does poorly vs good players. and please explain the rationale with Bart's hand vs Sia. its a fold preflop.. but even if you call preflop, hitting top pair you are more likely behind, so when the K hits river, its never a call. . even bart realizes at end its a FOLD PRE, thus why he even says it..
I didnt see kqh either
I think bet/call is the optimal play. You could make an argument for check/call but i think I'm betting in this spot. I'm never check/folding.
thats why you bet your draws on the flop
RE: Hand 1, I’d have probably check called river jam expecting to see 2 pair or a set that he turned into a bluff. KQhh is the only hand that beats you & I’m not even sure if he has pot odds to call your turn raise.
He needs like 30% equity and has 24% at best if all outs are clean, which, they are not.
I would have played the 10 9 hearts hand the exact same way.
A) it looks weak and you get paid off light
B) It looks weak and u get jammed on light (even though theres really no fold equity)
C) your gonna lose all your money anyway as he's basically got KQ of Hearts or worse and you're never folding.
Lol….. 49ers lose to the Browns!
Eagles lost to the Jets, what's your point? Niners still on top 👍
Sad 😞
lost 2 bets as a result
Niners lost to a better team.
@@warrenbrooks6057Better team being the refs?
@@marktastic86 every game this season has had horrific calls. Browns had new QB, best RB in football out and with the best defense in the league, found a way to keep it close. You also failed to mention bad calls against the Browns as well. Absolutely the better team won, they got lucky to be sure, but little doubt the better team won
I was in Barcelona last week and didn't play because of the language difference. I should have visited the casino.
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In the nicest way possible.. I always doze during your videos, lol
Ben you are a very solid winning player......of that there is no doubt. When the 9 is infinitely possible for you to have like it of course was in this spot, two pair paying off is a little fairly tailish. Though you obviously don't vlog every hand, your play style in general over the 100's of hands I've seen you play is just not really going to get paid off with less than a 9. I mean this as objectively as possible as I am a big fan. The perhaps hard truth to hear is that you over estimate your image as somebody who is a tricky player who is dead balanced and loves going for thin value. In actuality you are a touch on the nitty side, which honestly isn't even a bad thing.
As a 49er fan, it hurt when you said "on fire". F Cleveland!
I’m assuming you knew it was taped before that game
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Honestly I think I go with a check call line there. The only hand he can have that beats you is KhQh. I don't think he's ever calling KQo. It's a horrible card to land but he's going to have that so little that I don't think it's worth over thinking. But what a vile vile spot that is
As played I'm check calling there - It's difficult to figure out what he's paying you off with even for a smallish bet like that that you are beating
I didn't follow the rationale for checking flop as I was watching this unfold though
I probably would have did what you did, including paying him off. But if he is really tight, and you know it I may have bet folded and never let him or the rest of the table know that I folded that hand. That info could be targeted in the future. Or maybe it would bring you some credit when you bluff. 🤷♂️
A.
But why don't you do a call in on the CLP show with Bart and get his take?
Not a bad idea.
@@BenDeach and while you are at it, have him explain the AQo call out of position vs a 3bet from sia hand. he couldnt talk his way out of that hand play unless he simply says he was doing it for the stream. horrible play preflop and on the river. and you say he is the best? sigh
Obviously a horrible runout so in that spot I think a check is the best play, then u probably payoff a small bet and just fold to his all in but I think you know that
Disagree. A check or tiny bet almost induce a jam by villain, with or without it.
KQhh is the only hand.
Hes not flat flatting the turn with Q9 (can’t have Q9hh) and you can’t call off there to chop a small percentage of the time.
What about 99 in the hole? I could see that getting there and even jamming at the end.
I really don’t think 99 flat flats the turn especially if he’s a good player as Ben says. Hes drawing to a four card straight and could likely be drawing to a chop already (which he would have been). He also would never jam the river there with just a 9.
It’s also harder for him to have a 9 with Ben holding one.
A smart player would have additional turn equity to take that line
@@nicholi2789, why couldn't he jam on the end with just a nine? He would know that the best hero had was a nine as well. And if he were to watch Ben's vlogs he would know that he's also capable of making a big laydown.
@@skelthouser2730 I mean he could. I just don’t see it. I think most good players just call there with a 9 9.5/10 times. Especially given how strong Ben’s line was. Ben could have had KQhh if he didn’t given the check, raise turn, bet river line.
Just my opinion though.
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You may be right
When I was in Barcelona, English was more welcome than Spanish in the parts of the city where most of the peope speak Catalan. They study Spanish and English both in school.
Ben --- On the 910hh hand, I would argue you both missed a bet on the flop and under raised the turn. Then to your question, on the river as you played it, I would say it is a bet fold situation as the blocker bet stops him from posturing all in with position if you check (you also get value from set or two pair if they choose to call you), but once he goes all in over you what hand is he pushing all in with that you can beat?
Regarding flop, your logic for not betting is you won’t get an A to fold. True, but as no villain reraised you preflop, the villains are less likely to have big Aces in their range but you are more likely as the preflop raiser. Will a villain with a marginal Ace call bets across multiple streets against an uncapped preflop raiser who easily could have AK? Maybe? And, you have the straight draw to fall back on that comes in 30% of the time by the river, plus backdoor flush draw.
I get in both situations of having straight and backdoor flush draw you end up dominated by KQhh which is worst hand for you in this. I think the reason why this hand is so difficult is you are facing the worst hand for your opponent to have. This hand is a cooler in many ways and I think that part you need to shrug off.
But, getting back to betting on flop, it charges villian’s charging draws, knocks out marginal villain hands like under pairs, bottom pair, potential runner runner hands, and most importantly, helps to avoid you falling into predictable patterns. I’ll ask you this, if you’re not going to bet this hand on this board, what hands are you betting on this board to balance when you do flop an Ace if your logic is I’m not going to bet because I can’t get someone off an Ace? Are you just betting when you have a pair of Aces with a big Ace and checking when you have a small Ace or no Ace when you are the preflop raiser against multiple opponents on an A high board?
Then there is the issue of the raise to 200 on the turn. Your raise puts the pot at 440. Yes, the villain does not have the correct odds to call in this situation as he has 10 outs once with you holding the 9 and 10 of hearts. But, he does get credit for the implied odds of you doubling him up. The implied odds can make his call profitable depending on his analysis of how often you will pay off when he hits the gin card and coolers you. All of his gin cards complete either a runner runner backdoor straight or backdoor flush. It is hard for players to not payoff when an opponent runner runners them especially when one of the runner runner card also improves the hero's hand significantly. If villain believed you would pay an all in off on the river if he hits his gin card, then you are giving him the right odds to call with your 200 dollar turn bet as he is effectively paying 200 to win 1040.
Beyond trying to make his pot odds and implied odds less favorable, a larger raise also puts pressure on the villain. By betting 200, the villain has 600 behind after the turn call (60 big blinds) so he still has room to navigate in future hands if his draws brick out in this hand and he has to fold. I get that a larger turn raise will scream I have the 910 for the current nut straight but isn’t your raise to 200 dollars after checking the flop with a second heart coming on the board doing that anyway? You allowed the villain to play for the chance of doubling up (plus winning what is already in the pot) while only risking 1/4 of his stack. Some people also look at total dollar amount of hand. Paying 200 dollar to chase a potential double up feels different than 350 or 400 dollars in total money. I know that is the wrong way to look at things, it is big blinds and pot odds, but many players in cash games are influenced by the dollar amount as it is real money. Your giving him a "friendly" raise on the turn. Your turn raise does not put the "Fear of Phil Ivey" into him.
I absolutely recognize that it is very possible this particular villain won’t go away even if you bet on flop as he has backdoor straight and flush draws on the flop and turning the J of hearts is a great card for him on the turn. Against KQhh specifically, this hand may have played out exactly the same and that is why the hand feels so difficult but, respectfully, I think you missed a flop bet and under raised the turn, but as you played, should have bet folded the river. But, I'm just some guy talking on the internet after the fact, no disrespect intended.
Thanks as always for the outstanding vlog.
Sincerely,
A Monday Evening Quarterback.
But if hero's betting flop, then bigger on turn he'll be pot committed on river. Certainly no position to be bet folding at the end.
@@skelthouser2730: Great point. My focus is hero should have bet flop and raised more on turn. You are correct it is likely a pot committed situation by river if there is a bet on flop and larger raise on turn with villain calling. But, I think there is a good chance the villain recognizes that he is pot committed on the turn if he calls so will either push all in or fold if hero makes a larger bet that makes villain stack to pot ratio under 1 on the turn. Getting all the money on the turn is a better result than how it was played in my opinion as now it is straight pot odds with no implied odds, hero is getting money in good at that point, and he has ability to run it twice. You are 100% correct that if villain calls a larger bet for some reason on turn then it is a pot committed situation with SPR well under 1. My point about bet folding on river was answering Ben's question about how hand was played with flop check and small turn raise but I realize it was not clear as written.
Yeah, I can go along with that.
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I don't know if he ever addressed this but can someone tell me why Ben ONLY uploads when Brad uploads? Or am I the only one here who notice this?
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To be fair, I’m not looking for a relationship either…..
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hey ben! you’re pretty fly for a white guy
Folding is the worst possible option
First hand (Th9h) - jam the river. I don't think he ever has Q9. If he has KhQh, good for him. But I think he's got a ton of sets, which will likely check back. But if he somehow has KQ, then he shoves and you call. So jam, collect from his sets, and say "Nice hand" if he has KhQh. Now I'll press "play".
My rule about this (that I learned from players better than me) is that if you're in a spot where you're going to get stacked by better hands, you need to be sure you stack the weaker ones. When your opponent cold-calls your raise on the turn, it seems that he should have a set almost always, and (as it played out) KhQh, maybe 6h5h? Anyway, there are 6 combos (3 @ 77, 88 - he shouldn't have AA or JJ). So you're 6:1 to have the best hand. But sets probably check the river, and KQ jams. So you jam first, collect from all the sets and value-own against KhQh.
I don't understand why you are so against playing 1-2 at the GSR. You'll get different content from around Reno. And I heard the games play much bigger than 1-2 and the games are way easier for a profit
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I think your just supposed too lose money there I'm not folding
Two comments: (1) How in the name of hell did the 49ers manage to lose to the Browns? (2) In that hand you talked about at the beginning, I thought the other player had Q9, for the turn would have given him a double-gutter. In either case, MAYBE a semi-bluff bet on the flop would have gotten that opponent to fold. Who knows?
I keep staring at that turn card. What double-gutter?
@@joyride1598 wrong chat
@joyride1598 unless YT is being wonky, looks like you're commenting football opinions in a poker vlog
@@joyride1598 Aha! Forgot about his first part
Having one 9 doesn't mean u block anything. Saying u can rule out any possibility of a hand because u have one card drives me crazy. If u have 2 9s and there are 2 9s on the board then u block any chance of him having a 9. U having a 9 makes it less likely he has Q9 but doesn't block anything from happening
Can’t win them all, right!?
I suppose not
I bet that's one sweet kitty 😉
Non Pros will not bluff all in on the river. You knew he probably had it so why call the all in? The 250 bet on the river was OK for value but he was going to go all in regardless so it was just a gift as was you call.
Don't really understand the reasoning for not betting on flop. Yes the ace doesn't fold but wouldn't you want to fold out everything scared of the ace and if the ace calls you have like 30% equity going into the turn. Idk I've watched a lot of your videos and it seems you always get into weird spots because you play very conservative
I'm down this far in the comments and you are only the second one to say this.
Your reasoning for not betting the flop in the first hand is completely wrong-headed. You are the pre-flop raiser and it's an Ace-high board. Betting will fold out many hands that are better than your ten-high including, dare I point out, KQhh. Other good things will happen like gaining position when the button folds, and probably being checked to on the turn.
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I think you got unlucky against a bad/loose player. I'm not an expert on pot odds, but I think that if he always calls your bet on the turn he will lose money in the long run. He should be winning this hand 22% of the time, but his bet needs 41% equity to make money long term. That was a loose call. He river'd the straight, he got lucky. This time. But I don't think you played the flop well. The board showing 78o gives potential draws, and there are a lot of hands in the button's range he can call with pre-flop that will connect here. Going into the turn 4 handed in this spot isn't my idea of a good time, and I would have bet the flop 1/2 - 2/3 pot to flush out anyone on a draw. He was on a backdoor draw at this point, so he might have tossed his cards. And the guys you were looking for action with may have paired a weak ace (all A# combos are in the SB's range.) But you raise to 200 (over-bet the pot) on the turn with the board showing 3 to the straight, that's gonna drive someone off a weak top pair, and keep a loose player like your opponent around hoping that he keeps improving (he's got 4 to the 2nd nut flush now too.) It's tough to bet out on a draw on the flop, but you can also learn the strength of other hands, and if maybe someone has top pair. Absolutely check an open ended draw heads up, but 4 way? No, you need to know what the deal is before that turn card.
Nice shootin'!
those trophies look 30 yrs ago and basic. IMO
thats a straight flush draw buddy
I wonder if villain ever gets here with pocket nines at the end and decides to try to push hero off of a likely chop?
The checks on the flop, small turn bet and picking up a gutshot, then hitting it on the river...
Either way, not folding to the river shove.
Your making more of this then there is… He just called then goes all in…. bluff or Straight? Obviously, best YOU could do is chop there. EASY FOLD! My opinion ..
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Ugh 😩
What an awful opening spot