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_If it takes the threat of hell to make you a moral person, then you are not at all moral, you are just a coward who responds well to threats._
-- Leo Wolf
If it takes the threat of being called an Anti-Semite to make you a moral person, than you are not at all moral, you just respond well to your Owner.
They're essentially a trained pet.
@@tarstarkusz In order to make judgement calls you have to have morals so all atheist have a moral system. It's pretty much impossible not to have one unless you're a religious fundamentalist. Religious fundamentalists abdicated their own moral judgement and just obey the commands of a god like a trained pet. There's really no thinking involved.
*tarstarkusz* -- Are you just a troll, or are you really that stupid?
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I am an atheist and I have better morals than any theist I know! More people have been murdered in the name of theism than all the worlds wars!
If it were legal for me to hurt other people, then it would also be legal for others to hurt me. I don't want that. No one wants that. That is the simplest explanation for morality.
Unless you're a masochist. That's the one flaw to the Golden Rule.
There is reciprocal altruism (which is like the nice way of saying morals) and reciprocal self-interest (which is "The Selfish Gene" title that Aron says is misleading).
But if the law say you can can hurt others but they can't hurt you because that is what the one true god wants, who is on your side and coincidentally that is your best interest... Interestingly no grassroot religion teaches you to be the slave.
It is legal (according to my local police department) for juveniles to use deadly weapons on adults with little or no consequence.
One police officer told me that If I harmed any teens (who were using deadly weapons against me in many attack incidents that I would go to prison.
I have been attacked over a period of several years as a senior citizen (heart patient)
My thoughts about such a response from a law enforcement officer representing an law enforcement agency are as follows
In the United States we (supposedly or use to have) have the inalienable right of life ,liberty and pursuit of happiness.
2 that we can protect our right of life
3 Our nation was created by rebellion and violent revolution against a tyranny in order to secure our rights.
4 When tyranny becomes law then rebellion becomes duty.
5 Since my local government has become a recognized tyranny then I should rebel against my government with the purpose of militarily overthrowing it by violent revolutionary warfare of the most underhanded means possible in order to overthrow and annihilate as many tyrants as possible even though it's extremely doubtful that I could win.
6.Even though I would lose the tyrant enemy could suffer a devastating loss and if I try as hard as possible they would only win a Pyrrhic victory (a bloody nose) which would not be forgotten by a righteous act of justifiable (though not lawful) violent revolutionary rebellion against such tyranny.
7. If enough citizens fought for l;liberty and civil rights the tyrants could be happily overthrown and those traitors even if they number in the millions could happily be facing mass hangings for their treason even if most of the traitors are the government or government of tyrants in power.
I don't get it. That's exactly why it does work. If there weren't the occasional people who break the rules, we wouldn't need rules in the first place. We make laws to protect people from those few who would cause the harm no one else wants.
When I was a fundie Christian I defended the horrendous doctrine of Hell and the violent passages. Boy was I wrong. Compassion lies within humanism, not religion.
Cowboy 1000 😸 Amen to that! Our common humanity is all we have in reality to guide us in our behaviour. Both altruism and compassion are exemplary qualities that distinguish us and some other creatures from being ,little more than tribes of psychopaths or sociopaths. Their abnormal actions horrify us into taking preventative steps to remove them from society. Even then, we try to find ways of restoring their mental status to something they, and we, can manage. That is the true measure of civilised conduct.
Cowboy 1000 Glad you were able to repent and change your wicket ways. But do say, my good boy, where you convinced Hell was Just, or even Good?
*Nathan El* _"Humanism and materialism has no moral foundation."_ -- Are you just a troll, or are you really this mind-numbingly ignorant of reality?
Dienekes Troll or ignorant, either way Nathan El is particularly vile. Don't bother with him.
Compassion is found in Christ...not humanism or religion.
Don't get discouraged. I had drinks with a friend awhile back who considered himself Taoist American/Japanese style. He still assumed that the Bible must be a source of moral content(having been raised Christian), so when I told him that there was no true morality in it, he looked at me like I was an alien, but it made him re-think it, and look it up for himself. I saw him again recently, and his view of Christian morality had completely changed. It makes a difference, a little at a time, but it makes a difference.
kkgauthier Well done! Very well done!
People, even non-believers, very often just assume (and are convinced even) the Bible is full of good morals. They don't know only two to four of the ten (eleven?) commandments are making totally sense to everybody.
Excellent! Glad to see someone out there doing the good work👍👌
Aron I want to thank you personally. Not for turning me away from religion, my own good sense did that for me years ago. No, what you've done for me is help give me the education to productively argue with creationists and their ilk. Also you've made evolution much clearer to me. I've always understood the basic concept but public education was not very informative on the subject. So again thank you very much for all you do. Your voice is one more people need to hear.
We are well aware of the evidence for evolution. The theory of natural selection was evident in China, The Former Soviet Union, and Germany during the 20th century.
Christians don't deny evolution. We acknowledge and condemn it when it was put into practice.
John H Nope, you have no idea what evolution is.
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Of course because the only people who know about evolution are those who suscribe to it.
Can you say Argument from Authority?
Natural selection (survival of the fittest) was Darwin's theory on why species thrive while others die out. To understand Darwin's theory of natural selection and then not see the connection between the tragedies of the 20th century is to be willfully ignorant.
This is best described as expedited natural selection because sometimes you need to speed up the process.
Ideas become valid or dangerous when put into practice and the results are documented.
John H Sorry sparky, you still have no understanding of what evolution theory actually proposes. You have that much in common with anyone who thought they could "speed up" human evolution through acts of mass murder.
John H social Darwinian isn't evolution fool.
for an omnipotent god , he sure can't manifest before us.
His name is Waldo.
@@momentoffaith2735
So you're saying god *didn't* make the universe.
@@momentoffaith2735 god is true because... Jesus
Jesus is true because... bible
bible is true because... god
god is true because... bible
bible is true because... Jesus
Jesus is true because... god
Moment Of Faith Another theist using their favorite scripture as though it were evidence of anything. It’s as meaningless to us as if a Hindu were using the Bhagavad Gita to try and convince you of the supposed truth of their religion.
which god?
You hit the nail on the head.
"The most moral person is fully selfish for he knows as he does harm to others, they will be justified to do unto him." - Lao Tuan
Yeah, proving that the "golden rule" isn't really a Christian invention.
SO LAO TUAN IS YOUR MORAL GUIDE FOR LIFE?
@@crismi144 No, that's just one little quote that is a part of the bigger message
I'm not sure that they will be "justified" to do unto him... but they will certainly be more likely to.
Yeah, whenever someone asks me why I don't kill people because I don't believe in a God I tell them, "If the only reason you can think of to not kill someone is because you believe your God doesn't like it then I'm not the immoral one."
Allen Schmucker, exellently put!
Allen Schmucker It seems obvious to me that YHW thrives on the sweet nectar of human tears.
I'll always say..."How do you know God didn't give me that mission?"
dick riley dishonest moron.
more then enough fundie christians said it dude.
Thank you for what you do, man. I'm in the middle of a "faith" crisis and over the last several days have begun to slowly unraveled the 26 years of indoctrination I've had. I still have questions that the "believer" part of me asks and am still working on separating myself from fear of eternal torture. Thank you for your educated information, I greatly appreciate it.
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace,
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
"your god is you" That statement is far more profound that one might imagine.
Hitler could have said that. Absolutely no argument.
@@itsamazeofmirrors I wasnt making any particular argument, perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.
I once asked a librarian close to my old house if they had the Satanic Bible on the shelves. She said no, but that if I wanted a copy she could get it for me and put it on hold for me to pick up. I said no, but it was nice to know that I could have gotten it if I wanted
We were visiting Florida and my mother-in-law was buying Harry Potter for my son. The sales lady looked sternly and said. "You know, this is about witchcraft!" I said "Her coven recommended it." :-)
@@lrvogt1257 these days I have both the entire Harry Potter series, books and movies, and every piece of satanic literature except for the Satanic Witch, plus a whole bunch of other books on mysticism, the occult, and of course Wicca and witchcraft
The point about not really being judged is extremely important and nuanced to me. The reason is because the very idea that you will go to heaven despite what you do by simply believing does literally mean there is no judgement what so ever outside of belief. Which means... They have no reason what so ever to be moral any way. Only those who don't believe have any real reason to be moral because we judge ourselves.
Common sense and logic superceded a obsolete book written thousands of years ago..
logic's good, not so sure about common sense.
That reminded me of how Ray Comfort loves to appeal to common sense.
Kind-of ironic, given he's trying to promote NONsense.
Well said Sir! I haven't commented before now, found your channel a month or so ago and have been a binge watching fool. Enjoyed watching your video this morning, great words. Have a great week and keep doing what you do.
Just has a way of making it clear doesn't he.
Absolutely! I don't understand how so many people, especially those with higher education can still follow the sky wizard in today's age of information and the free access to it. It is like a breath of fresh air to hear truths on science and debunk the beliefs and lies of religion.
Have you watched his debates on the non sequitur show? Brilliant on his part. And painful at times
@@StoneyCreekHeritageFarm - I mean, I like to keep an open mind. Ever since I saw Carl Sagan's Cosmos in my teens I can see no obvious place for a god in our universe, Carl explained it all.
I put the odd comment on here to see if I can get some idea of what drives people. Usually I get "read your Bible son or go to hell"! Occasionally I get a reasoned debate from some intelligent individuals. No epiphany for me however, nature is all we have, and it's fascinating. Reading "A Brief History of Time " right now, talk about eye opener!
@@alienape3171 Not yet, must listen to the full debate with Kent Hovind (may his private parts fester). It's about two hours long but Aron wipes the floor with him.
Very well spoken, thank you Aron.
I rather keep to this :
1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
3. One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone.
4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
5. Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
6. People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
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Awesome video, Aron! Please keep them coming!
I was a fearful catholic for my whole life. I turned atheist but still hid from being public about it because I felt a sense of shame the first year. I was enlightened but almost felt bad for feeling so free. I am raising my children as athiest and am proud to do so. I each them that kindness can only come from yours self to just be a good person,not for reward or fear. My kids are very well behaved and very kind heart. They are an example of being a product of there enviroment.
I feel like sharing a little story about how I become an atheist at 8 years old, maybe it will be covered in other comments but I'll do it anyway.
All started when I had a phase in which I was asking a lot about supernatural, also at the same age I learned about dinosaurs and I become really interested in them, but I'll learn more about evolution years later, around at 10 or 11 years old. Back at my questions about supernatural now. I heard a lot about this stuff from fairytales, kids board games, cartoons, other TV shows and movies, you name it. I started to ask questions to my parents and other adults if dragons, fairies, ogres, ghosts, Boogieman and other supernatural beings really exist, and the answer was the same, "no, they are just stories." Then I learned that Santa Claus, Easter Bunny and Saint Nicolas (or whatever equivalent is in other countries) does not exist either. Then how can god exist? Funny how everyone that told me that everything mentioned above is unreal while believing in god. And know what else made me not trust their god even more? The fact that every time I was nasty one of my neighbors or even my grandma, reacted to my actions with a line like "may god curse you!" or "may god smite you!" Really!? How can such benevolent being be so cruel to kill me for laughing too loud in front of my block of flats? How can I seek guidance from someone that will harm me for being a kid? Even a slap from my one of my parents when I was really nasty was nothing compared to being hit by a lighting send by god.
I live in a country where orthodox religion classes are obligatory since kindergarten. Since 3rd grade, I become really pissed with the fact that I must attend a class that was trying to fill my head with crap. Unlike the other clashes in the primary school that were attended by our teacher, religion was attended by another professor. In my country, there is nothing as detention, instead, if you don't behave the teacher can ask you to leave the classroom until you are invited back so you won't disturb the class any longer. I hated that class so everytime at the beginning I was starting to be a dickhead and annoy the professor until I sent out. I did dis so many times that at some point I was invited out from the moment he was entering the classroom so both of us will waste less energy with each other. He even called me at some point an animal in form of the classroom. This is how I avoided religion classes in 3rd and 4th grade without much consequence.
Because of Dexter's Laboratory and other cartoons depicting scientist as people capable of doing awesome stuff I become really interested in science since I was in primary school. I was 9 years old when I manage to create a really smelly liquid based on onion just because I thought it will be fun to create something that smells worse than a public restroom. From there I also become interested in space, and because of my early passion for dinosaurs, I learned about the evolution. I become really interested in documentaries about nature and paleontology. Those cemented my disbelief in god even more.
I was in 5th or 6th grade when during the history class there was a chapter about Jesus, the teacher told us that there are some people who believe in evolution instead and she asked if is there someone who really believes in it. I was the only one to raise the hand. My classmates were shocked, my teacher was shocked too. She asked me why and I replied that "I saw fossils of dinosaurs and monkeys that over times started to resemble humans more, but I never saw god or any of his actions." I was on good terms with her, and I continues to be on good terms with her even I exposed my different beliefs than her, but for my classmates, I become an outcast for a while, then back to normal, then from time to time someone will remember that I'm a filthy atheist that believes we evolved from a stupid ape (yeah, yeah, I know that evolution is more complex than that), and become an outcast again for a while. Wasn't only that the religion classes were mandatory, but there was religious crap shoved on our throats during other classes too. That chapter in the history book above mentioned, during the literature classes, I even heard biology teachers claiming that something in nature is because that was the god's will. I stopped being a brat during religion classes in 5th grade, instead, I was sitting there, ignoring everything and at the beginning and the end of it when we had to pray I was just pretending to do it, even doing the cross sing totally wrong because of none of the teachers where looking in my direction, sometimes I was saying nasty stuff during it really quietly so no one would hear me.
The fact that every teacher in middle and high school described me to be the nicest and the most well-mannered student made all my religion teacher believe that I'm a good christian but in fact, their classes were complete bullshit for me. In 12th grade, I even offered to paint an icon for the religion laboratory in exchange for being passed without taking any test or being listened. But here I had two more important selfish reasons to do it: 1) I used to be very humble and modest until I was told that bragging about your skills will bring you some benefits, in my case was painting; 2) I violated a stupid unconstitutional rule that my school had, and still has, besides obligatory uniform that I was following. That rule was that boys may not wear long hair, but I felt like wanting a long hair so I grew it. Well, this pissed the math teacher (adjunct director) that expelled me from some of her classes for refusing to obey that rule, then she stopped talking to me for the rest of the year. When she passed to us the books we needed for our finals, instead of giving it to me she just threw to me in disgust. The other I was in conflict was the general director.
Boys not allowed to have long hair? That is blatantly sexist...
Aron Ra, I love these concise PSA,(public service announcement) type videos. I've never understood how religious people can't see how their 'faith' is immoral. They say, if no god, bad people don't get punished and yet, they can do anything and just ask forgiveness. Yet, good goes unrewarded, in you don't believe. A favorite Hitch bit for me, " good people do good, bad do bad, but to get good people to do bad, you just need religion! Love and Peace
Even back when I was a church-goer I always got a chuckle when people would talk about the answers to their prayers (what to study, what job to try for, where to move to, etc.) and those always coincided exactly with what that individual (based on other conversations at other times) clearly already wanted themselves anyway.
Theists lost the creation argument and now they're losing the moral argument. 🤣
Theist have lost in every way, they just dont accept it.
My Atheist moral compass.
I call them the “Three Cons”
CONsequence
CONtext
CONsideration
I evaluate the consequences of my actions.
I evaluate the things that may have lead up to my choices and/or why I might go one direction instead of another.
I consider how I would feel if the choice I make was visited upon me.
There. Now everyone has an answer to that question when a Theist asks.
Beautiful!
You just described me
Other people's perspectives is a huge reason why I like RUclips threads...and I don't even have to ask. They volunteer what they think and know. It's mind-expanding.
I can't even tell you how often I have to point out that theistic "morality" is just as subjective as any other kind of morality. Just because someone says "God says so" doesn't make it objective, no matter how badly they want it to be.
Reminds me of the apologetic that god deems something good because he is good it's just pushing the goalposts further back
Right??
@@jc-wx5oo and yet they still can't seem to understand it.
Well, at its very foundation, morality is built on objective ground. Doing harm is bad, doing things that benefits yourself, others, and humanity in general is preferred. Everything else just stand on that. However, morality itself is subjective. Morality is not science.
Not as much as when the skeptic confuses terms. By you labeling theistic morality is you subjectively defining morality. Objective moral values came way before Christians.
The fact that we're unable to choose what we believe in, makes the sin of disbelief incomprehensible.
My one sister always believed she could do anything she wanted because, "god will forgive me". Very immoral. Hardly anybody liked her, not for her religion, but, because of her actions.
She mostly did sex and drugs?
Usually people that say that usually just do that
Drugs weren't around at that time
@@carolschneider8639 Drugs have always been around
Not in my area in the 1950's. They didn't show up here until the early 1970's. No one could even buy beer in my hometown. Not every place is like the big cities.
Throughout my life, I noticed early on that the more "religious" somebody was, the nastier person they seemed to be to everybody else. It's more of an authoritarian attitude than anything.
I listen to this series all the time. It's probably my favorite video series on RUclips. Anytime I have spare time I put in an ear bud and just listen to it on my Playlist. I have even downloaded this series so I can watch it when I'm out in the country camping with my family. I usually play it while I'm laying down for bed. It's just a good series with good information and it's well made. Thanks AronRa. You do a good job
This man is an absolute fucking champion of humanity
Aron, from one ex-Mormon atheist to another, I'd like to buy you a beer next time I'm in Texas.
Another great video Aron. If you look at it clearly, it’s really only the fundamentalists who are arguing honestly. As soon as theists start trying to reconcile the Bible or the Quran or whatever with secular morality, they give the game away.
Honest Christians should support slavery for the simple reason that it is sanctioned and codified in the bible and never once condemned. How do you get from there to a condemnation and outlawing of it? Yes there are general broad teachings that you might reach for to try to override the verses about slavery, but the slavery is mentioned very specifically and clearly, and such specific teachings must be authoritative over any general instructions, otherwise what’s the point of them being there?
Christianity started losing this battle almost as soon as it was established. This process has accelerated thanks to the Enlightenment and more recently, dissemination of excellent resources that falsify and debunk it, such as your channel!
Unfortunately, Islam seems to be a very long way behind. It’s cruelly strict and total prohibition of questioning any of its teachings in a secular context has made it far more resilient to attack from logical and reasonable arguments about it’s moral teachings. Conservative Muslims are much more firmly attached to their books as the sole source of moral teaching in the universe with all the horrible and unnecessary suffering that flows from that. But to give them their due, they are at least being consistent!
Preach!
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Old Testament say that Israelites have to be freed after a certain time? (atheist here)
Gay communist ...
Yes, but conditions apply and there are lots of loopholes, and it doesn’t apply to foreigners and visitors etc etc. NonStampCollector did a very funny video on this. I highly recommend it
ruclips.net/video/2MFmC6BD1B4/видео.html
Islam was founded several centuries after christianity, so it is behind several houndred years.
Marrs101
It really doesn’t work like that. Mormonism is 150 years old and Mormon culture, while stupid, is far less regressive than Islamic culture.
Yes! 09:31
If I had to name just one thing I like about AronRa, it's his diligence in providing evidence to back his assertions. I appreciate it but I've gotten spoiled for listening to lots of other people who don't share AaronRa's work ethic for debating controversy. This video is very edifying.
Wow.... This Video, Was... Exquisite !.
Bit of an off-topic comment here. I have discovered AronRa on RUclips a few months ago, but only now did I realise that I know him from reading the Usenet newsgroup talk.origins two decades ago! I am so old.
well hear I am again.
I don't know how many times I have watched this now.
you have always been a good speaker but I think you out done yourself
on this one.
8:50 There's something profoundly beautiful about this statement despite being quite obvious.
I love your videos!
If I pray to the ghost of Col. Sanders, do I get buckets of chickens and 3 sides if I'm devout in my Faith to the almighty Lord of Kentucky Fried Chicken. Praised be his sacred 13 herbs and spices.
I thought it was 11
@@cfltheman
Burn the witch. Col. Sanders demands your blood.
Joey Frye : ) 😅
Would that be herds of chickens?
@@snate56
I'm surrounded by hectics and witches. Bring wood and oil.
I've often struggled to explain concepts of objective and subjective morality to believers but I have never been able to put it as eloquently as you just did. Mr. Aron Ra you are one of the most rational, intelligent, and eloquent speakers I have ever encountered and I thank you for all you do.
Thanks, that was awesome. Religion: they can't all be right, but they could all be wrong.
Aronra n. Co. . Keep on rocking in the free world. 🌎
Hands down my favorite video...
I highly doubt you’ll see this comment, since you’re such a bigwig... but thanks for all your videos and information! I grew up in the Christian faith and just recently got out at 26.
I’m 27 now. For lack of a better word, it was a miracle that I got out of such deeply ingrained beliefs. Your information has and is continuing to help me learn things that I was never taught.
I have a very long way to go in my pursuit of knowledge! Thank you so much!
Someone once asked me, "Why is being moral good?" I found the question odd. It is good by definition. Why is not dying good? Why is the absence of pain good? Why is personal security and well being valuable? Because they are by definition better than the alternative. People want morality to be a complicated thing but to me it is ridiculously simple. It is good to be moral because it benefits me and others.
Sure you could come up with an example of a heinous action that benefits me, but those types of actions always render a temporary benefit whereas I am concerned, due to empathy, with a world that benefits me and others. I have been conditioned to think this way as a byproduct of millions of years of evolution... because it benefits my social population group to have individuals like me that see the benefits of being moral to each other, not just benefiting myself.
Valuing well being is good by definition and serves as an objective de facto basis for my morality. WHY value well being? Because doing so ensures my well being which is good by definition. I don't see the subjective issue here. It is not merely a personal opinion that valuing well being leads to a beneficial and safer existence for myself and my descendants. It is a demonstrable fact of our reality. After establishing that as my foundation, building a system of morals that promote or enhance well being and prevent or try to eliminate detractors from well being is also based on facts. NONE of it is subjective.
It is equivalent to worrying about why eating is good. It is just a fact of our reality that eating is beneficial because we are life forms and specifically animals that have to eat to remain alive. If you then have to ask why remaining alive is good, you need psychological help.
Absolutely perfect 💜👌
I am a retired Texas State Prole Officer. In my time, I will say that many a client used religion as a crutch when trying to control their urges. I came to view this crutch as a replacement for alcohol and other drugs that so many of them would use to medicate themselves with. I performed many roles as an officer, but when I took over a sex offender case load, it blew my mind that there were so many actual ex-priest and ministers that I was to supervise. And yes, there were a few times that Catholic priest and other clergy would come forward to try and protect, or "save" these people. I've even had guys who were rapist try to justify why they should be allowed to attend church. I think of myself more so as an Agnostic, but one thing is certain,and that is all those religious books are wrong .Religion is a man made thing used to control people.
The question is why is this a surprise to you? Did you presuppose religious people are morally perfect? Everyone (religious, Christians, and skeptics) still have sinful natures. The evidence of sexual immorality among Catholics in no way diminishes the truth of scripture....in fact it confirms it....as Jesus points out that among faithful Christians you will have religious hypocrites. You have focused on man and the bible warns about putting your trust in man. That trust is reserved for God alone.
Didn't your god say something about unwed rape victims having to marry their rapists? Seems to me rape is more of a property crime to him than a moral one (pay the bride price for damaged goods, and whatnot). But he's a fictional character, so of course he isn't perfect.
@@BlackEpyon
You are ignoring that God reserves the right to judge his creation. I need not defend God's actions. Your argument really doesn't hold water. These pagan nations rightly put themselves under God's righteous judgment. In addition why, in your worldview, would you be opposed to rape. On what grounds do you morally object to rape? Is your basis objective or subjective?
John H You claim scripture is your god's word when it suits you. Does your god reward ignorance?
+John H
Did you listen to Aron's arguments, or were your fingers in your ears? Go back and watch the video again.
I recognized that clip of Colonel Sanders from his appearance on "What's My Line?"
I am grateful for your courage in our demon haunted world. Teaching theism to children is child abuse.
Thanks Aron.
One of your best videos yet.
Watch and learn theist's, this is what critical thinking is. (And it's ok to be yourself and think this way. It's honest.)
Don't let the oligarchs know about it. They need useful idiots.
It's not critical thinking. He did not argue against the best argument for God as the source of objective morality (namely his unchanging nature) and the way he presented his form of objective morality was in fact subjective. Just because he asserted that it is objective doesn't make it so. This contained almost less critical thinking that his video against prophecy.
Simon Reye: God is the personification of the super-ego. A relationship with the "self". It's for extreme narcissistic supply. The theist is not moral he is selfish and delusional. That bubble of delusion is rationalized such as claiming morality comes from a god. It's really just empathy, which we see more of in less theocratic societies. Religion is the accepted insanity.
@@snoopster77 Actually you will find that there is literal mountains of evidence and research that this process occurs while the holy book has no proof of anything, just claims and stories
Thank you so much AronRa!
Love it!!! Can't get enough of your vids
Morality is a broad agreement about what we would or wouldn't want done to ourselves. It evolves in societies over time. Civil law codifies some of this but is not about morality per se. It's about limiting and punishing harmful behavior. It's about what and not why.
I love the idea of wearing the Bible verses Christians claim don't exist or isn't in their selected narrative.
If a Christian tries to convert me I'll just tell them there's no point in wasting your time on me, because I slandered the Holy spirit and cannot be forgiven.
The shirt reminds me of when my father told me ""Your just looking for bad Bible verses to discredit the Bible...""
And I would respond ""Okay so.. I'm testing Christian's claims to it, if the Bible is truly a good and moral book, we shouldn't have to worry about finding any horrible moralities from god.""
It like inspecting a house I'm about to invest in. If it's truly in good condition then it should survive any critical examination and the owner shouldn't need to worry of they're being honest. You don't find a leaky pipe and say "oh that pipes not really leaking, you need to look at it in the right context..."
A context where a leaky pipe is okay?!
Sure if that's the only way your capable of thinking about it. In the same respect I guess I must have hardened my heart towards Allah, Krishna, and Brahma too.
But actually my heart is quite open to any real god that might exist once there's proof for it. It's your heart that is in principle hardened towards God.
You know why? Because if it turns out your wrong, your faith will not allow your heart to go anywhere else besides the God on paper you've subscribed to and put faith in.
Faith is unquestioning loyalty to a single idea.
So even if say Krishna opened up the sky and announced he was God and the whole world witnessed it, you by faith would still be required to believe in Yahweh and believe that the god in sky is somehow Satan. You would be required by the qualities of remaining strong in your faith to tell yourself that, because that's what true faith requires. Never giving in to external ideas no matter what.
Faith's own virtue is it's own damning weakness. People of faith for this reason cannot be trusted. Whether they're right or wrong, their conclusion must always point to their faith.
Since I don't subscribe to a faith mentality there is nothing to bind me to a single ideology. My mind is allowed to change with the evidence, your's isn't. Your bound by faith and that's why you think in the simplicity of the only reason why people can't believe in your god is because they have a hard heart while be oblivious to all other implications.
mof you are insane end belong in the year 1000 not 2000.
Hey judge I have 500 witnesses to the murder.
Judge: Okay can they testify?
No.
Judge: Why not where are they?
They're not here.
Judge: Where are these witnesses then?
Oh, they're all dead.
Judge: Did you talk to any of them?
No, I read about these witnesses in a book written by someone.
Judge: Can we talk to this writer?
No, he's dead too.
Judge: So how can we know he saw any witnesses?
Oh he didn't see these witnesses, but he claims he had a vision of them.
Judge: You've made your case! The evidence of 500 witnesses is undeniable.
This is stupid and yet the judge is what Christians think good evidence is.
Yeah many men penned 66 separate books 69 if you consider the Catholic Bible and even more if you consider orthodox Bibles.
Like in hand in a glove?!
Lets see. Satan is cursed to never walk again then in revelation he walks again.
The all good, all loving, merciful god, kills babies, orders the rape of girls, tortures animals by setting them on fire, blood sacrifices 37 girls throughout the old testament and hated Esau before he was even born.
The Bible says God is not quick to anger and then says God is quick to anger.
Depending what gospel you read Jesus has two lineages, is born in both a house and a stable, curses the fig tree before dark and after dark, dies on the cross at different hours, says 3 different things as his last words on the cross. Both speaks to Pontius Pilate and never says a word in the same event.
Judas both keeps his 50 shekels silver and buys a field in one gospel and in another he throws it away and hangs himself.
And I could go on because there are so many more.
In story telling there is this thing called continuity. A good writer should be good at keeping it, but even some of the best writers and directors slip up. A continuity error is when something happens like a plot hole or things don't match up.
Reality cannot logically have continuity errors, the Bible is full of them and it in no way fits like a glove.
You've simply been lied to and you should probably make it a task to read the Bible from cover to cover and reflect and think about what you read, not that bullshit where people quick read through the Bible so they can get that badge that's says they've "read it" cover to cover.
No one in this comment section believes that humans are monkeys.
We're apes stupid, learn the difference and learn evolution. It might not seem like a big difference to you, but in biology and especially evolutionary biology there is a monumental difference. If humans were monkeys then evolution as we know it would be proven wrong. What you said is like if I said planes and bikes are the same thing because they're both modes of transportation. It's literally that level of ignorance on the subject.
Even if anyone did believe we are monkeys, you believe a woman ate a magic fruit that a magic talking snake told her to eat and then a Pandora's box like curse opened and disenchanted the whole world. And you believe people came from dirt.
Take a while to reflect on that, because being a former Creationist myself I know you never have.
I agree the monkey thing might seem weird at first because it's counter intuitive.
But the magic fruit, and snake is insane. If it wasn't for an indoctrinating fear of hell for not believing it, you'd think it's worthy of being locked up in a mental institution too.
Moment Of Faith
Two things:
1: You haven't addressed a damn thing that Dogma Hacker said. Almost like you have no confidence in actually reading the Bible or something.
2: That hypothetical isn't compatible with reality as we know it. A better comparison is that on that play, there were two uncalled penalties on the offense that allowed the 99 yard touchdown, and can be proven with video evidence to overturn the touchdown (non-theists). Then there's the fan of the other team, whose undying loyalty to his team compels him to continue saying the play was clean even after being shown raw untampered footage of the two penalties. One side of the argument is right, the other is just being a stubborn cunt who'd rather stay wrong then admit error. If God really is the divine inspiration for the Bible, then the continuity errors in the Bible are the fault of God, who's supposedly omniscient and wouldn't make such mistakes in the first place if he were actually omniscient. So, either God isn't as powerful as you think he is, or he doesn't exist. Either way, you're acting a lot like that stubborn cunt who won't admit error and would rather stay wrong. Actions define character, and right about now, you've the character of a child. Kinda odd, considering you're a grown ass man that has nothing better to do with his life than be a glorified wannabe shitposter disguised as a "virtual Priest". Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if you're on payroll to do this all day every day considering I see you everywhere.
I'll also add my congratulations on another great AronRa video. Cheers, and thanks, Aron!
He nailed it 😮
POINT
Evolution shapes brain wiring, which, in turn, shapes mental mechanisms.
Morals are created by mind and so they have a neurological basis and this then brings evolution into the picture as evolutionary processes shape neuronal networking which give rise to or mould mental ideas including morals.
Aron you are one of the best.
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Your argument is one of the most refined.
I always see all your videos at least 4 times and prepare my arguments based on it in my language hindi. I , mostly argue with the Muslims. They are the hardest to reason with. Sometimes, I am able to get the point across to them.
But your arguments are failproof.
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Great video Aron. I’m constantly accused of being less moral because of my lack of faith, it’s so frustrating. I watch your videos to arm myself with vocabulary necessary to combat the verbal abuse I receive on a regular basis.
This is excellent
If your morality is dictated by god, then it isn't morality; it is just obedience.
I work at NBC and I see famous people literally every single day and none of them impresses me enough to approach them and shake her hand or anything like that.. considering how AronRa change my life for the far better , along with Richard Dawkins, the either of those two I would stop and shake their hand and tell them how they change my life!
Thank you man, thank you for making this video.
I completely agree you Aron Ra, morality is as individual as we are. wether we believe in god or not, each one of us ultimately decides our level of morality. or lack of morality. and most of us know the difference between right and wrong and good and evil. and how we should treat others. since we are social animal's it's hard wired in to us though evolution. that the needs of the many, out weigh the needs of the few, or the one. so morality was already with us long before religion ever laid claim to it. however there are some that for whatever reason are less moral than the rest. because they either have less self control. and the more common reason that being religion. yet religion claims to be more responsible for morality, when it doesn't have anything to do with morality.
DOn't know how I missed this one. A great mirror held up to the hooey.
AronRa of President!!!
I’m an atheist now, but even as a Christian, I accepted the Big Bang and Evolution. At the time, I simply thought God made the Big Bang, and made use of evolution. But I also believed Jesus walked on water, so yeah. 🤣
this subject always surfaces as soon as I declare atheism.
Terrific video keep them coming.
Do what you will, and it harm none
Witches are about love and protection of nature and live we are a very mutual religion
Your like a majestic beast, great man.
The Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism had a corresponding transcript that made throwing quotes into a Fb post easier.
Excellent content
Excellent video, complete with infallible truths and a moral to the story type ending to boot! :-)
great video Aaron respect bro
I would like to see Aron take on inspiringphilosophy... Now that would be a good debate!
Awesome
I like the shirt!!
always enjoyable and enlightening watching your content aron, thanks you for being that voice for so many of us.
Kind of the bestestest most concise reasoning for a shift from faith based BS...👍.
very well said, keep up the good work, I can't speak for anyone else but you have been a fountain of knowledge that I have very much appreciated and learned from...thank you
Thanks. Always inspiring.
Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts, let him return to the Lord, And He will have mercy on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon. Isaiah 55:7
Another great thought provoking video AronRa.
AronRa for President
Bravo!
Love the videos
Yet another great video.
Well said Aron!
one of your best ever.
I watched it 3 times threw well spoken as always.
Simply awesome, as usual👍👍👍
It cracks me up that the preceding advertisement is for a Christian movie. hahahaahahaha
Faith, is belief without reason.
The greatest crime is defiance of authority.
I saw the ghost of Colonel Sanders!
Too much hair for me @AronRa.
Always interesting speeches and reliable information,
PEACE OUT ✌
Another great video Aron!
What we call "morality" is, in essence, the combination of instincts and behaviors that distinguish a social species from a solitary species.
I showed his videos to my family and they wouldn’t listen to anything that he says because they said he looks like the devil 😈.
BIG brain