The Internet Says Toyota Got The Land Cruiser Wrong: Is It REALLY That Bad?
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- ( www.alltfl.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! After a slight gap, Toyota replaced the old 200 Series Land Cruiser with the new and smaller '250 Series' here in North America. But...was that a wise decision on Toyota's part? In this video, Tommy covers whether the Internet has it wrong or 100% right on the brand-new Land Cruiser!
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Mary is out of control. I love it
"leave your comfort zone, Mary" . - challenge accepted!
"Like a vibrator?"
"Mary-"
The unscripted remarks between Tommy and Mary are priceless. I love that you left them in.
Paying 75k plus for a 4 banger SUV is absolutely insane.
"Small brain, big personality...only thing I'm good at is getting pounded...crying to my gym teacher..." At some point a best of or Tommy bloopers/roast will have to rolled out. They're funny enough to warrant it. Humility and laughing at ourselves is a skill we've been losing to much of lately. Everyone seems to be getting way to serious and humorless in recent years. Banter is fun, always will be.
I miss when 35,000 seemed like a high price for cars
Just inflation and usury at work
Land Cruiser used to be 85000 dollars
Isn’t that $70k now from inflation effect?
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@@stevelikesrhino The full size LC300 is still that price and more
Your reviews at 10 x better than Doug's... so don't worry. Much more relax, way better explained.. much more fun to watch.
Wow, thanks!
Couldn’t agree more 💯👌🏾
@@GhislainLeduc 100%!!!!!!
I can't handle watching Doug's mouth. Completely distracts me from the content. Not in a good way.
I quit watching Doug years ago when I found better, less obnoxious auto journalists like those at TFL and others.
The mental gymnastics are strong in this vid, Toyota apologists go ahead and talk yourselves into how the LC250 is not an atrociously poor value. Such a disappointment in so many ways.
The prices are insane.
compared to what?
The price on this new Land Cruiser is a solid $30,000 less than the last one. And yes, I own a 2021 LC.
@@alexanderdeburdegala4609 every trucks are too expensive by 30-35% in the last 3 years. The price went up way too quickly. I know a lot of my friends can't afford a new car anymore
welcome to 2025
Worldwide inflation. Wake up
'Like a vibrator?" ...Mary killed me 💀😂
I'm only 6-minutes in and this is the best TFL video of all time. Sorry, Roman and Andre. 😂 Of course, we bought a First Edition and have no regrets.
Thanks for the kind words! -Tommy
I watch your videos. I liked how capable your first edition is in snow and all your test tracks. Made me want one.
Love that barf color. It screams "I paid too much for this because I need to signal my worth through buying whatever Toyota tells me to."
Mary & Tommy are KILLING IT.
I've driven two of them. My local Toyota Dealer has I think 25 sitting on their lot.. yes collecting dust, no joke. I wasn't impressed, the engine has torque but the story ends there. Driving is weird as the turbos whine up and then the electric turns off at speed and your left with an underwhelming, underpowered 4 banger in a heavy SUV. Lots of cheap feeling parts. If it was 45k I could understand.
Trying going from a 2016 jeep rubicon 4 door with all the off road parts(heavy) and jump into a 1958 LC250…. Feels like a huge improvement! So I bought it and am very satisfied
Are those LCs still on the lots the 1958 versions? Almost all LC LCs in my area still have dealer markups and the ones that don't are flying off the lots. And regarding the "cheap feeling parts", can't say I share that opinion, the interior of my LC LC is more premium than my partner's Mercedes.
@@jensdriller1160 Autonation Pinellas Park, Fl. You'll have to check their website. They have about 10 on their main lot and 20 or so on their back lot I think most of them are 1958 model. I think they are trying to hide how many they have in inventory, pretty common right now for Tundra and LCs most of them are hidden from the website and main lots.
@@DTC-LC250don't put a bunch of off road heavy parts on your land cruiser
@@adamton7274
It’s hard when you want all the cool off road gizmos. My UpTop roof rack is 75 lbs, the 4 traction boards are probably 50lbs( on roof) the rotopax 3.5 gallon is only there when camping/ off roading, full size shovel, 50” S8 light bar, 15lbs. Don’t ask about the shit I carry inside!😂
OMG, this was hilarious 😂. Tommy and Mary work very well together.
They make a great team!
Tommy’s wife 👀 from home. 😃
@@is6566 Yeah right, no one wound mary him
He literally got married a few months ago. Also in the “Free EV” to lease video he took his Father in Law with him and both of them leased a “free” Fiat 500e. So, yeah he is married. Freshly.
Like Carol Burnette and Harvey Korman.
In all honesty, the 250 just “ain’t” it.
If it had the 4.6 v8, it would be worth it. But 77k for a 4 cylinder hybrid, no way.
thing is, the Prado never came with a V8. (except the GX460 and GX470) before the 250, Prados only come with either a 4.0L V6, same as the one you'll see in the 4Runner, or a 2.8L turbodiesel 4 cylinder.
14 K on my 2024 and the engine has been nothing but a plus so far. Better than my 2018 4 runner and never trails my brothers Lexus GX. I think it handles off road better than the GX, but will have a better idea next summer. Has been able to go everywhere my 4 Runner went so far.
Again 77k is the first edition price. Watch the video. Most of them are 55-65k range.
I guess you don’t own one yet…;) keep whining “4 cyclinder…” but no ideas what this LC is about. Watch Disscentoffroad with their 1958
@@99toyotacorollathey don’t know. Plus prado is $30k less than the J300.
If this vehicle was 45-60k starting from the 1958 and maxed at 60k for the top fully loaded trim people wouldn’t complain. The pricing just make this INSANE
Yeah you can get a 4Runner for that. Or get like a Kia.
These are 90k euro here in Europe for the diesel.
Agree, it's too expensive.
@@crooney824runner tops almost 70k
@@DaciaProject128,000 € in Austria for the First Edition 🤨
In Australia, the Prado (what you know as the Land Cruiser), is only available as a mild hybrid 2.8 Turbo Diesel 4 cyl.
One reviewer took it through a water crossing, probably about a foot / 30 cm deep, he went a bit quick to get a good picture of water flying (for the video)... it got water in the air cleaner, got into the hybrid system (uses air from the air cleaner to cool hybrid system ... possibly inverter, not sure)... two days later, it died. the water killed it... I would drive my sedan through water herder than he drove that Prado...and I am confident it would not fail me in the way this brand new "toyota tough" 4x4 failed him.
Another criticism here, concerns the hybrid battery, it takes up a lot of cargo space in the rear... the prado has been a favourite of the off road crowd. and they use that space for off road gear.... fridge, camping / house battery, storage drawers etc.... now it is full of hybrid battery... people are not very impressed with the new model here.
ours has a outlet in the back in can run almost anything here in the states, good for camping i suppose
honestly they shoulda released a non hybrid diesel. the placement of the battery makes it a little bit worse than the 150 series.
the prado we got in the philippines didn't come with the turbodiesel, instead we got the non hybrid 2.4L turbo 4 banger.
well that was a difficult conversation with toyota
Sounds like those garbage Broncos here in the US. The alternator is mounted low on the engine and if you go through a water crossing you run the risk of submerging it and having it fail very soon afterwards. In one of the videos I saw this happen, several Wranglers and Gladiators went through the same crossing followed by 4Runner and none of those vehicles had a failed alternator, just the Bronco lol.
My local dealer has a bunch of them and they all have layers of dust on them and no one is buying them.
I always come to you guys for reviews anyway but the raw edits between you and Mary were hilarious. 😆 Love that the channel is willing to take risk and keeps evolving.
Hahaha. 0:28 in and Mary calling out the “pounded” comment. 😂
“Phrasing”
The point you made at 13:00 was perfectly said. People always run to the comments and beg manufacturers to build XYZ, then the manufacturer does so and then no one puts their money where their mouth is when the time comes. The majority of the comments are people not even in the market to buy the damn thing, but feel the need to comment on it.
I purchased the LC250 standard trim model which was about $15K cheaper than the First Edition, yet has all the same bells and whistles for off-roading purposes. While there are some definitely objective complains about it (fuel tank size is a joke, the 2.4L definitely is not the smoothest engine out there, etc), this thing is overall a beast and I have been loving it so far.
Or perhaps the reason why they weren’t sold was because they were starting at 75,000?
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No one asked for a Prado, since we already have the GX. We want the 300.
@@icuyouseemeif Toyota DOES release the 300 series in America, will it sell as well as the Prado did? better yet, will it sell as much as the Sequoia did?
the reason that the full size LC was discontinued in America was due to laughably pathetic sales figures. sales figures also show that Americans just prefer the Sequoia over the Land Cruiser, which is why Toyota just decided to axe the big boy LC in favor of making the Sequoia the halo SUV in America.
Tommy is right about people not buying the big boy LC.
No one ever puts their money where their mouth is lol , people just love to complain and we all love to dream about buying all these cars but when it comes down to it and it’s your money on the line you end up choosing differently than you thought.
This was more like a YT car review I used to love. Honest opinions, funny and relatable. Other big channels have become too much fluff.
The 1958’s would be $48K if they didn’t have the garbage iforce hybrid junk.
I own a 1984FJ 60 and I just got the new Land Cruiser 250 series, I am very happy with my 1958 trim of the Land Cruiser 250. Getting it for $4000 under starting price was also a nice plus.I find it so far to be well sorted and checking all of my boxes.
I like the 1958 trim
I also have a 2025 in the 1958 trim. So far, I love it.
I got mine for 6k under paid 65k for a premium package one. Feels better than the entry level over trail in terms of comfort and features. It actually has quite a few features the base over trail doesn't have.
I haven't seen many LC without the premium package in them. Either 1958 or LC with premium.
“Like a vibrator?”
Mary!
This killed me! 🤣🤣🤣
Toilet jokes in car-review videos ... Why did we come this low ?
A 73k Lexus GS overtrail is a much better buy than a loaded 77k LC.
Bought the LC instead of the Overtrail. My loaded LC was $70K and has several features missing from the Overtrail. Leather is not an option, three zone climate control with roof vents aren't available, and the lack of physical controls makes the Lexus GX miserable to operate. Neither is perfect, just a series of trade-offs that allows someone to pick the right version for their wants and needs. For me, it was the LC and not particularly close. Having said that, if the LC came with the V6TT as an option, I might've chosen that powertrain over the hybrid 4.
Doesn’t exist. They’re going for $100k.
and i'll add they're built on the exact same line and are nearly mechanically identical, except for some interior options and the powerplant.
@ What doesn't exist? What's going for $100K?
@ While the LC and GX have the same underpinnings (TNGA-F architecture, wheelbase, sheet metal from the A-pillar on back), they have some significant differences mechanically - the engine, the transmission, and the suspension are entirely different. Even the brake system appears to be different. An argument can be made to buy either one, but a lot depends on what you value individually and your own likes/dislikes.
I'll never stop being amazed by how there's only 2 opinions the internet recognizes: "Sheer Idolatry", or "Get the pitchforks, we're running this thing out of town". Like almost everything out there right now, this is a perfectly good vehicle that's way too expensive. Now I'm off to copy and paste this into 10 other car reviews.
The problem with that though is, at least from an outside perspective, looking in is that it's easy to lump even fairly middle ground opinions into either camp.
I am not a car reviewer, I am not going to post an entire article in a YT comment section of what I like and dislike about a vehicle. If something stands out to me I will post it. For example I might post "I think the way the battery pack was integrated into this 58k vehicle is poorly done, and at that price point I expect something a little more seamless."
Someone on the outside looking in would easily lump that into the "Pitchforks" category. Personally I think Toyota should just clean that up in a mid cycle refresh as well as offer more interior colors (I just hate black interiors, but seem to be cursed with them) Otherwise, if I could afford it I would happily own one of these.
@@AHungryHunkyWell said! I love the truck, but that battery is embarrassing.
Are we the first copy or is this one of the copy and pastes? I need to know!
@Max… It’s probably from 2021 and he is just copy-pasting this into every review comment all those years. It’s an evergreen comment as far as prices go. 😃
It’s all fake bullshit made up for clicks. All of it.
I watched BMW and Mercedes totally destroy their reputations as being reliable cars that will run forever. It took over two decades. Toyota seems to have done it in the span of four years. Toyota went from building the most reliable cars available to basically being Chevy it only four years
wow I haven't seen all the data that shows they are unreliable. do you have any data to share? or...are you just trolling
@ really? Haven’t heard about the problems the Tundra is having?
The demand on the LC also reflects its popularity. Local Toyota dealer is selling base version of LC with $4k discount.
That might be worse now that the 4Runner will undercut the lower trim LC (Prado).
The 1958 might be tempting around 50k for sure. Hopefully they do some different versions in the future-get rid of the hybrid and get some cargo space back.
@@is6566 All of them are sitting now, used to be just the 1958, now the LC LC isn't moving here.
What Toyota isn’t sitting on lots?
Mary has been a great addition to the channel.
Toyota destroyed the LandCruiser by putting a 4 cyl hybrid turbo that most true LandCruiser enthusiasts do not want. When Toyota exports the Series 70 to the States they will sell like hot cakes. Love the body and interior that's it. 😊
Great video! For some context: I drive a Land Cruiser 200 that I bought new in 2015. This is my 4th LC since 1987. Drove both the 1958 and Land Cruiser Land Cruiser for several hours yesterday. I was not impressed. The engine noise, the wind noise, the lack of grunt, the cheap interior plastics, and the very high price contributed to the general feeling that we are getting ripped off. When I got back into my 200 it just made the feeling stronger. As a vehicle in general, the new LC250 isn’t bad. Actually quite nice. Even as a Land Cruiser it’s okay. But for all those issues for that price, it is very unappealing. This vehicle feels like a $40k vehicle, not a $60k (or more) vehicle. So many other choices at that price point. Sorry, but it is a miss.
What other vehicles at that price point? Full time 4 wheel drive, center locker, stabilizer disconnect, tri zone climate, 2400 watt plug, all kinds of the new safety stuff, top safety rating , roof ac vents, with inflation if the 200 series was sold here and updated with all the new tech which yours does not
Have, it would be easily 110k, so 38k cheaper, seems like a bargain to me, you get what you pay for
Check out some Australian you tubers. A diesel mild hybrid one died after going through a puddle. Another one had a front strut fall off on corrugated road. Very little rear storage due to hybrid battery in back.
Less fuel than previous Prado 150. Questionable if it’s an improvement on the 150 in several ways.
Love Cammisa, but he is not a Land Cruiser/Defender/Jeep guy. That said this LC is in no man’s land. On the top end GX is a better choice. On the low end 4Runner might be.
agree, cammisa can be insufferable sometimes for something he doesn't understand, and that's basically the issue.
guy doesn't get it. but tbh, most of the vocal folks on the land cruiser facebook groups, ih8mud, and critics don't get it.
The engine is def peppy and comparable to my 200s acceleration. Steering wheel w/ electronic steering is great around the parking lot and the trail too. The wheel wells being able to fit 35s without major modifications is GOAT.
that said, my 250 isn't perfect.
* i need a bigger fuel tank (having to fill up every 270-300 miles really sucks)
* battery should've been lithium iron phosphate
* cold weather battery management features should've been included. (climate control on in parking mode, being able to charge up the battery before the end of the day).
* swing out rear door w/ tire mounted on the back
* swaybar disconnect should be available on all trims
* 12v battery needs to be in the engine bay for the winch hookup, there's plenty of room up there!
@@styledlivingyeah I like the 250 so far a lot but these are legit things I wish they would fix. Gas tank is the biggest issue by far. I took mine to Moab on some serious trails and it was like a mountain goat so I am overall very happy with it but they could make some improvements.
@@kingofthesofas Some of the Japanese engineering directors are really stubborn about how they build things and when a director changes so does the direciton of the project. This is why we get such a huge change between the 80 series 100 series and 200 series vs the LC250 and other TNGA-F products.
It's great that they're very dedicated to the projects, but they don't ever do any actual peer interviews with people who open their wallet to pay for these vehicles. Similar to OG Italian craftsmen who're like, it's my way or GTFO.
Tetsuya Tada and Sadaoyshi Koyari were the Lead Project Engineers for the J200.
Keita Moritsu for the 250.
The focus on the TNGA-F is for disability/mobility. That was a huge focus in the design language over the past decade leading up to 250. The choice to do away with the double tailgate probably had to do with making it easy to access wheelchairs. Though I feel like a side swinging door like the GX460/470 and FJ Cruiser would've been compatible w/ that goal. Plus they'd also be able to do a window that slides down like the 4runner.
If Jason doesn't like the LC250, he'd probably run away from the Jeep pickup, too. And then you get the reviewers comparing LC250/GX550 to unibody softroader SUVs. And as a point of fact, Jason C prefers old manual cars anyway. Ha!
@@texlad04 Every automotive journalist will say that the Gladiator is an ugly, slow, long and expensive vehicle because that is the truth. Clearly it has a market though as it has been on sale for a few years.
It's objectively awful when the existence of both the 4Runner and GX550 are considered. Terrible product planning by Toyota. Shame.
Most buying the new Land Cruiser are posers… never gonna see dirt. Grossly overpriced!
said someone who has never owned one and doesn't plan on it
It's not that the Landcruiser is bad, it's bad for the price. $80k for an unrefined 4 banger is nuts. $60k is almost as nuts. The 4Runner should be $35k and this should be $43k.
The news best due in TFL.
Roman and Nathan were the reason I started watching TFL but Tommy and Mary are doing killer videos.
At anything over 65k you should get the gx overtrail instead of the land cruiser.
Sticking with Bronco’s & old Jeep’s
Nobody wants a 4 cylinder landcruiser. Or even a turbo 4 mid size truck. Cmon Man.
Apparently 21000 americans do :) sometimes you need too listen to statistics.
I prefer the 4banger over the v6 or v8. 27mpg is NIIIICCCEEE
You must have missed the part where LC sales are 8x higher than previous V8 generation
They don't but Toyota marketing will have many bots post comments otherwise on videos like this one. lol
@horseathalt7308 you calling me a bot ninja? Shheeeiit.... i ain't a bot lol
Maybe I’ll come around someday, but I can’t do the buzzy vibrating power train in this latest gen of Toyota trucks.
Good job Tommy, and good editing.
Glad you enjoyed it
Yes. They were so close but yet so far. Nailed the exterior and for the most part interior design. Engine choice was wrong. Should’ve done TTV6 and EKDSS. LC 250 is the GX550 instead is too much like 4R which was always a step child of the real LC family
1958 needs SDM and appropriate sized tires.
The issue everyone has with the North America version is the drivetrain. The Land Cruiser is known for is being built for durability (which is why people buy Toyotas), even at the expense of new tech and power, and a gasser 4 cyl turbo hybrid does not seem like it will be long-term reliable. But if you change out cars within every 5 years then it's a non-issue. If we had the 2.8 diesel like the rest of the world I think more people would praise the new Land Cruiser.
The Lexus GX and LX is a non-hybrid turbo 6 cylinder and the whole vehicle just seems more old school, built for more durability, and Land Cruiser-y. The new Land Cruiser seems like more like a more tech based FJ or 4Runner (Which is almost the same vehicle now) than the old school Land Cruiser. But it looks good and has a much cheaper base price than the older generation, the older generation is selling for more even now on the used market, which is why I think many people are buying them.
They complain that 300hp+ is weak, I wonder if they would love the 200hp.
@aryesXNA The main complaint is how it makes power or how it feels when it makes power. It's high strung because you have to ring it out to get to the peak. Peak power is at 6000 rpms. That's not what you want in a Land Cruiser. Then there's questions about the hybrid battery from the average consumer.
@ I agree. I'm in Europe and have 2.8D on order (no hybrid here). It's slow, but I think it's fine. I want car to travel, speed is quite irrelevant if it can do highway comfortably. I'm happy there isn't hybrid here, I would probably just ignore the car if that happened.
@@WyattWillpeak torque is at 1700, I’ve put 15k miles and have never been above prob 4k rpm’s, but I don’t drive like a maniac either
I kinda agree… it needs a third row and a V6.
I love the 4banger tho, I'm getting 25mpg in my LC250 and its plenty fast
@@noctilucent7396 Hello Toyota Marketing USA ...🤣
“More than adequate” is unacceptable for this price level
This thing should have a 5.0L V8 or larger to be a true Land Cruiser.
My choice is the GX Overtrail. V6, nicer interior, no 3rd row and no battery hump. And hood struts which for some reason bothers me that the LC and 4Runner dont. My only concern is range, seems less than my 2022 4Runner which averages 380 miles at 19mpg.
For the most part I agree with you. I just think the Land Cruiser looks better than the GX Overtrail. The front end on all of the Lexus vehicles have gotten ugly in my opinion over the past 6-10 years. The GX Overtrail does make the best of the new Lexus front end design theme but it's not great.
And then there’s the price difference!
Do you even get memory seats? Real leather? Tri zone, roof air vents? 2400 plug in, power tilt wheel? Seems like you have to get the overtrail plus to get the stuff that the premium has and still not all of it, digital mirror? Im curious what all the overtrail gets
Jason's review was the definitive Land Cruiser history and current model review. Also, check out Tinkerer's reviews. He actually puts the current gens on a lift and measures frame and drive parts to compare old vs. new. And even the service manager at my Toyota dealership told me to keep my FJ Cruiser if I wanted to keep off-roading because the new Land Cruiser "isn't as rugged (his words)." Toyota gave us in the US another mall cruiser with the hybrid. Give us the diesel or gasoline versions!
The cut 5:49... 10/10
Mary is out of control. 😂
Yes the moment they slapped the same V4 + electric turbo on both the Land Cruiser and 4Runner , is the definition of “Dud”
While listening and watching all the new 4Runner first drive videos put out I noticed a few reviewers that stated the new 4Runner's engine feels smoother than the new Land Cruiser. In addition, the new 4Runner doesn't require premium fuel like the land cruiser and this is because the tuning for the land cruiser has to meet a global market while the 4Runner only has to meet the US market. I wonder if the tuning of the new Land Cruiser for premium fuel is causing it to run rougher than the new 4Runner, if the new 4Runner's engine truly does run smoother.
I have an LC and have also driven the GX550. The V-6TT in the GX is smoother and feels more like a conventional ICE, but my hybrid 4 isn't rough at all.
I think the Land Cruiser 4cylinder gas hybrid is only available in North America. But i bet you the new gen 6, 4 Runner takes at least 91 min Octane.
@ The owner's manual for the 4Runner states 87 octane. But, it's not clear from the manual if that would apply to both engine variants for the 4Runner.
@@johnrose7212 one of the videos put out on the new 4Runner had a Toyota engineer on it and he said the new 4Runner doesn't need premium and he specifically said the Land Cruiser is tuned for a global market versus the 4Runner.
For about $70k, it’s PATHETIC
I would have bought the GX 550 overtrain, however, there is a major lack of supply in southwest USA, dealers in Phoenix and surrounding area price gouging several thousand above MSRP (like 10k + more). bought landcruiser premium trim instead. It may not be as nice as a Lexus, but is very nice with loads of features and creature comforts. Sure I'm concerned regarding longevity, I may lose a chunk of money with this decision, but only time will tell. For now I will enjoy my landcruiser and the outdoor time it provides with my family.
The LC premium is nicer than the GX Overtrail in several ways...leather seats, physical controls, and three zone climate control with roof vents. I even prefer the stability bar disconnect over E-KDSS (makes the LC easier and cheaper to modify, if so desired.) Three things I'd love to have in my LC that are in the GX - Mark Levinson sound, acoustic glass all around, and the V6TT.
I am just loving the outtakes lately. And it can't be said enough: Mary's presence significantly adds to the "fun factor." You all at TFL have been killing it the past few months.
Overall, it seems like a good truck. But that engine sounds horrible. Why did Toyota not realize it sounds like a GM econobox from the 80's? It's a premium car with a premium price and should sound like one, too. *Surely* they could have made an engine that doesn't sound like it's eating itself? Come on. It's 70k!
70? Local one at Toyota dealer was far beyond 70
I appreciate a quiet driving experience in my 2024 1958. But I do love me a Mustang GT growling past !!
But the 250 isn’t a proper successor to the 200. You said it yourself the Prado is supposed to be smaller and cheaper. What America should sell is the 300 and compare that to the 200.
How can you justify the price of a Prado to cost as much as this especially to customers knowing and coming from a 150?
My problem with the new land cruiser is the hybrid technology, and the lack of any real benefits with improved mileage! The fact that you have to use premium gas?
You have a very expensive vehicle, that has reduced space in the back because of the battery; like I said, is it really that beneficial? Then there’s the low ground clearance.
My guess is this drivetrain is a risk for longevity, not to mention the cost of upkeep, make it a risk after all the recent drivetrain problems from Toyota‘s new product line.
Don’t believe for a second that I am anti-Toyota, because I’ve owned a Camry, FJ cruiser, Tacoma before!
Yes, it’s deserving of the hate. We want a 70 series in the states
Tommy is a much better reviewer than Jason. Less annoying content and much better with the facts. I’ll take nerdy over annoying any day.
Nah Jason all day, he's excellent. He keeps it real. TFL falls for a lot of the gimmicks and act more like salesmen for the car they're reviewing.
I respectfully disagree. Jason's vids are always well researched, well presented, extremely well produced, and very engaging. Nothing against TFL (I'm subbed to 4 of their channels), but Jason is a master that every CarTuber should take lessons from.
@@TheJohn8765Well said
As a long time Cruiser owner… they absolutely got it wrong.. seriously Toyota .. clean sheet and this is all you could develop??
EXCELLENT VIDEO! FINALLY SOMEONE WITH LOGIC!!!
The $77k LC doesn't exist anymore. They only made 5,000. It kind of always bugged me that people were using that marker since it was limited. My LC LC with the premium package was just under $70k. I think a similarly equipped GX OT is over $75k if you can find one. As the guys have mentioned, everything is $10k too much these days. It's not just a problem with the LC. Look at Jeep... I really like my LC.
It's a nice vehicle but commands too high a price to just get in the base models door..at that point just get a 4Runner and call it a day.
To get a comparably equipped for Runner, you have to spend about the same amount….
@@DTC-LC250these people don’t understand that, RUclipsrs say they are the same so they are!
It’s not about the numbers on paper, the Prado feels over-burdened. It’s fast and powerful enough but completely unrefined. It’s rough and loud. Sounds and feels like a Subaru Crosstrek.
The battery pack load floor is bad.
Once you open and close the doors, it becomes apparent. The Prado is looks over substance. It’s a false equivalency to say this car is cheaper than the 200 series truck.
I hurried and bought the last of the Gen 5 4Runners. Purpose, to have it until bugs on either the Land Cruiser and or 4Runner worked out for engine and especially transmission. I was in for a free oil change and saw the Land Cruiser for the first time. Wow, was I disappointed. It was the old phase of "Plastic Fantastic" inside. Just looked and felt cheap. But i thought price would be less so looked at window sticker. Wow! Nearly 60k! I can't wait to see new 4Runner in person and see if it is better. I am so thankful for getting my Gen 5 for now.
Funny, I have a friend with a Gen 5 4Runner (great vehicle!) To me, the inside of the 4Runner feels dated and cheap compared to my LC. I also like the 5th Gen 4Runner better than the new one. So, I think you got the right 4x4 for you!
You were looking at the 1958. Its interior was designed for durability first.
Smart move buying a gen5.....the gen 6 approaches $70k in top trim....Toy-Yugo has once again shot themselves in the foot....
@ Sales of the new LC would suggest otherwise. They've sold more in 7 months than the old 200 sold in a decade or so.
@Rich-ol7sw only Karens and Kennys buy this farse...just to cruise the mall and brag about the sway bar disconnet... and the majority of LCs are leased...why? Because there is no way in he// the latest Toy-Yugo hybrid products will last 100k miles without major repairs.... the days of Toyota reliability, quality and longevity died years ago...
I don’t want a hybrid. I want a 2 speed transfer case. I want factory lockers.
Mary is the best.
Hit the snowy trails in my daughter’s 1958 today and I really liked it. We like the few frills this base model comes with, but it has a rear locker and other off-road goodies. Powertrain seems fine and mpg is pretty good for something of its size. Stock tires aren’t great, but a set of chains for the front allowed us to recover and tow an old Trailblazer up an icy hill that slid off the trail.
You know there is a problem when you have to make this video to convince us it is ok.
How come you didn’t mention any of the issues Camisa brought up until now?
Because we didn’t have a Land Cruiser test car on hand
@ first off, I love your reviews and channel. But c’mon you may not have had a test car but you were on the product release when you drove it around their track.
You would have noticed the vibey sounds like it is broken (quote from Camisa) engine the moment you got behind the wheel. Plus that RAv4 quality interior that Camisa also complained about!
Hey, at least you are being cool and talking about it now.
Finally an honest review. For the internet haters, the "no one wants a 4-cyclinder" crowd, turns out it was the V8 200 series that no one wanted, check the sales stats. Money talks, if you want that bigger engine and "Real Land Cruiser", head on over to Lexus and pick up an LX for $115,000+. For people that think the LC is too expensive, read that last sentence again. You want more car, well you're paying almost double the 1958 trim for an LX700. You want a cheaper domestic product like a Ford or Jeep? Enjoy being stranded when something inevitably breaks before 50k miles.
For the car reviewers, I think this video was a good lesson for trying to put yourself in the average buyers shoes. People coming from a 5th gen 4Runner, Wrangler, older 4WD vehicle. The LC250 is an obvious step above those, and where most buyers are coming from or have previous experience with. I get it you reviewers drive awesome cars every week, but the average consumer doesn't.
Still not enough ground clearance to be called an offroad vehicle
Just add spacers !!
Ha e you see all the videos of it off-roading, it does better than some taller vehicles for some reason. Must be wheel base
works well off-road
I added 2” spacers a few months ago, 33” mud terrain’s UpTop kilo roof rack (strongest design I’ve seen) lots of Baja Designs and some small leds inside the hatch and in the headliner. Oh, a LiTime 100ah lifepo for my Engel frigid, strapped into the spot the “60”% back seat was.
Its Literally 60-70k at Dealers. You're Paying 2019 Ford F150 Raptor Pricing for a 4cyl Turbo. Screw that.
As a 2021 4Runner TRD OR owner and having driven all three trims of the Land Cruiser, I’ll be buying one in three years when the bugs are cleared. My daughter will be 16 and she gets the 4Runner, the Land Cruiser is totally fine across the board for my purposes of a daily driver that can handle moderate off-roading. As for the prices, take a look a the total garbage you can buy for $10k less…because most options at cheaper prices are junk.
Also, my 4Runner has a 2 inch lift, 275/70/r17 Falken Wildpeak AT4W tires and an OTT tune, so it ain’t “fast”…IDK what these folks are expecting, a 911?
My wife immediately crossed it off the list due to no 3rd row.
And not only that it doesn’t have a 3rs row but they took away trunk space.
Yeah they definitely got the price wrong.
Toyota did the same thing. Every other car company is doing. They're overcharging for a pile of crap Toyota could have hit it out of the park if they had given us the 70 series instead of this pile of junk.
It looks great, but why is it so hard to get other engine options!!!
The number one thing WHY are people cross shopping 70k vehicles? Who are these people. Where do they work do they still live at home with there parents? HOW!?!?!
It has limited size, capacity and a buzzy complex drive train for such an expensive vehicle. A nice vehicle at half the price.
As with almost every new vehicle, the buyer is gut-punched and off-put by the price. They are resentful of pain caused by the massive profit expansion by auto companies since 2019.
Auto purchase, except at the market base (Jetta mt, Maverick, Prius, base Camry, Carolla Cross, new Nissan mini truck) in the low $20ks, is an unpleasant exchange
The real world MPG is poor. Battery packaging is poor. Too many issues for the price
I own one with bigger tires and my mpg on road is 20 for a 7,000lb vehicle. What does better? What are the issues?
Having Mary be the peanut gallery behind the camera is hilarious, lol.
Its priced right if you get $6K off msrp. IforceMax is rough, surges, jerky transmission on starting, thud to life on stop, not ready for prime time. Most reviewers kiss toyotas ass by saying nice things. Powertrain is terrible...stop and go feels terrible but overall its very comfortable.
I am a Toyota fan. All I have owned for decades is Toyota. While getting one of them serviced recently I went to the showroom to go hands on with the Land Cruiser. I was not impressed. Too small and a bit cheap feeling in certain areas. They should have called it the Land Cruiser Sport and chop $10K off the price. The Lexus LX is the real Land Cruiser. Having the Land Cruiser and the 4 Runner in the lineup makes no sense with them being so similar underneath the bodywork.
@@huntmachine4505 Which Land Cruiser do you own??
one doesnt resemble a Tacoma, and it has full time 4 WD
@@johnrose7212 Lol, I have both Tacoma and LC.😂
For you it doesn’t matter. You can not afford one.
@@johnrose7212 I do have to say, I like the look of the new land cruiser from the outside better than the new 4runner.
Was anxiously waiting for the new LC to be released. Very disappointed when I got the chance to test drive it. Just closing the door, it sounded cheap, and that translated into also being loud on the road. Power was OK, but uninspiring. Being hybrid didn’t seem to have much impact on mileage improvement. The space taken up by the battery was bigger, lift height higher than expected - unlikely to get the dog back there. And finally the price was too high - paying a premium price for apparently the LC nameplate . Wanted to love it, and no regrets about walking away.
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Love my Land Cruiser…it has turned out to be as dependable as my old 4 runners…and boy does it scoot down the road…I think it’s getting a bad rap
This issue needed someone to address it, Cammisa had an important voice in the business, he maybe wanted to exagerate stuff. But apparently the mild-hybrid battery is prone to flooding, Australians discovered this recently.
Prado. Light duty landcruiser
yup! you get it! I love my Light Duty Land Cruiser! heavy duty 70 series is cool too
@@noctilucent7396 Hello Toyota marketing USA shill. lol
I wish they gave us a non-hybrid option. Not everyone wants hybrids. Put the Toyota 3.4V6 in it 👀
Honestly, I don't think anyone would really care what the 0-60 would be in a Land Cruiser. It's not about speed with a rig like that, like Jason said, it's about effortless power, which is what gives you the confidence to tackle off-road trails. And this Prado does not have it....anywhere. Toyota's obsession with putting a hybrid in literally everything is a mistake, and it shows in this anemic and underwhelming drive train. It's overly complicated, poorly executed, and I wouldn't trust it anywhere off road. The 2nd row seats are way too small for a vehicle this size. The passenger doors don't open wide enough to load gear, larger adults, or car seats. The cargo area is compromised with the ridiculous battery pack. And in no trim is it worth what they're asking. There are literally acres of cheap materials in this thing, inside and out.
If you want a hybrid and tons of MPGs, buy a Sienna. Done. If you want an off road rig, you put a manual transmission and a simple, NA, bulletproof engine in it that people can trust. Drop all of the incessant interference by electronic gimmickry and just keep it simple. Nobody wants to take something this twitchy off road, only to have it brick itself in the middle of nowhere because one of it's computers is having a tantrum. I'm frankly amazed to hear that Toyota has sold any of these. I think the LC250 looks fantastic from a design perspective, but it's overpriced trash in its execution. And that's not because I'm a Land Cruiser purist, I'm just judging the thing on its lack of merits. Toyota phoned it in and built a $35K SUV with a $70K price tag.
And you can't really blame people for not buying more of the LC200, which was ridiculously overpriced for what it was, and say that's the reason we now have this slightly cheaper, but still ridiculously overpriced LC250 in its place. You're missing the point in a comparison like that. People want Toyota to build an affordable, reliable, tough SUV they can fall in love with and be proud to still own 20 years later, which is what the LC heritage has always been about, but they just don't do that anymore.
Meadmaker. I agree with everything you said. There is one huge problem. Gov regulations don’t allow car makers to build what we want. Simple reliable naturally aspirated bulletproof vehicles. Price isn’t really an issue. People will pay for something that will last 400k miles. IMO.
EPA refs kill naturally aspirated engines. Safety regs at a bunch of bs that we don’t need or might not want and that’s why base model cars of today have more tech than highest level trims of 20 years ago. The simple car from Toyota is dead. Sadly.
The smaller fuel efficient engines are a mandate from government. It's too late to unravel the whole engine issue now, it will have to wait for a face lift in 3 years times.
@@cpdennis11 - The V6 is available in the GX550, which is the exact same platform and a significantly better power train. So that's possible. The manual transmission and 2.4L 4-cyl is available in the Tacoma, which is the exact same platform and a significantly better power train. So that's possible. Deleting all of the off-road electronic gimmickry would have zero effect on MPG. So that's possible. These are all options that currently exist within the platform and comply with government mandates, and would arguably make the vehicle significantly better, but Toyota has CHOSEN not to implement them. So, it's not down to governmental oversight, it's down to Toyota's decision making. It would take zero re-engineering to implement any of these changes, since they're already building them on that exact platform. The body shell is the only thing that's different, and it's literally interchangeable. It's the whole point of their shared architecture.
@@meadmaker4525 Yeah I don't know what these other guys are saying. It isn't government regulations. Otherwise no new cars would have V8's and we still see them. It's Toyota trying to appease their customers that are worried about the environment because of the fear mongering. It's not even about fuel economy. If these get at least 20MPG and the price was $20k lower, people are just simply not going to care about the MPG. You just have to understand what the trends are. The old guard at Toyota has mostly retired, and the younger people have been lied to about the environment so they don't mind making a unrefined 4 banger hybrid that makes them (and the customers) feel good. The fact that these have already sold so much proves that their strategy worked. If Toyota sold the 200 series for the same price, it would still not sell as well as this new Prado.
sure...which one do you own? Oh you don't...shocker. Have you even driven one? I doubt it and not off-road.
I don't see a reason to buy this over a 4Runner.
Well said man ! It is easy to criticize is not a 200 and then nobody buys. You are completely right on all aspects here, well done
Look Toyota should just sell the 250 series in the US as a Prado like they do everywhere else and also bring back the original Land Cruiser.
Say what you want. Toyota was only selling 3000 land cruisers per year with the 200 series. That is totally unsustainable.
How many GX550’s we sold in 2024?
It is a Dud … check out the reviews coming out of Australia…vehicle going dead from water ingress in 48v assist 😅 due to low air intake etc
In my humble opinion, stop comparing your car reviews to other RUclipsrs. You guys have a lot of experience and a lot of actual off-roading miles under your belts. Don’t sell your self short. Thanks for another great video 👍
He was making his opinion relative. With no one roasting it, he may have sounded more negative, so he was able to play good cop and publish a favorable review. Well, that’s what it seems like.
Brown noser!
"is it deserving all that hate?"
- v4 hybrid
- crappy build quality
- 70k$
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yes son, it deserves all that hate
My 94 fzj80 was right at $50,000 new, and if you was going to pass anybody, it was going to be downhill cuz it was a slug. But it was an absolute Beast.