Counselor in training here: people with schizophrenia are FAR more likely to hurt themselves and this stigma associating schizophrenia with violent outbursts makes it that much harder for people with schizophrenia to deal with the disease which is already so hard to deal with since it is a disease that heavily impacts a person's "functionality" in society.
I think they need to show every angle of what a person goes through with the illness and what they can potentially do. My great uncle (a pastor) took custody of a church member's children. She was....hysterical majority of the time and would act out against herself and against her children as well. Representation matters so yes they need to show how they can be violent and paranoid with themselves but also with their surroundings and others as well. Films and TV need to display more rather than the surface. Wanted to say they are all above 18 now three of them live together and work as well. One lives up north in the state going to university.
@@enyafeckenham5730 exactly this. CAN schizophrenia result in violent actions against others? yes. but has that been FAR too commonly represented in media? also yes. where's the representation for schizophrenics who don't hurt others, hmm? if we're supposed to be representing all sides of a certain mental illness, then where is THAT side of it?
the worst part imo is that the schizophrenic character was changed from the orignal story. in the comic, he had alzhiemers so shamylan made a deliberate choice to insert this harmful stereotype of an already vilified mental illness into his story.. one would think he had learned something from split and at least done a little homework on this sort of representation.
Pretty bad especially considering that people with dementia related mental illness *can* be violent towards people out of confusion and fear because they can't remember or fully realize what's happening in the moment. It's rare, but there *have* been cases of people with dementia killing people out of fear. One guy actually murdered his wife and then actually forgot that he did so because of dementia. It's a terrible illness.
I thought he had dementia/Alzheimers or something? The way he was portrayed didn't even seem like schizophrenia. It's like they kept the Alzheimer's behavior and slapped schizophrenia on it just BECAUSE.
I think the switch from Dementia to Schizophrenia makes the ableism worse because it's clearly /dementia/ rather than schizophrenia, dementia makes more sense. It matches the symptoms, the "worsening" with time, the deeply suspicious rages etc. either way sits badly on the tongue.
Also, people with dementia are far more likely than people with schizophrenia to be violent towards others. We just don't tend to think about that because we just think of it as the sad disease old people get, but old people can be freaking deadly and not all people with dementa are old. Dementia is an awful illness and yes, very tragic, but it's not just sweet, frail old ladies having sad yet touching moments where they think their son is their husband. Am I complaining that we don't get more killer Notebook grannies? No. Because you can guarantee the subject of dementia sufferers being violent wouldn't be treated with the sensitivity it deserves. But at the same time, it makes infinitely more sense in this context than schiziphrenia.
@@katharineeavan9705 I agree based on life experience working in a psych ward and then a nursing home...people with dementia were more violent than the people with schizophrenia by alot
I was convinced it was dementia until they mentioned it was schizophrenia in the last few minutes of the film. And I remember feeling very confused because it seemed like the doctor was presenting more with memory loss and confusion.
that makes sense because in the book the person initially has Alzheimer's (something that relatives of mine had) but either way it's still an awful representation whether it be Dementia, Schizophrenia, or Alzheimer's (keeping in mind that the book is so much better than the movie)
exactly, especially the aggressiveness, which is very common in dementia patients. I remember watching the movie, and thinking it was dementia until schizophrenia was mentioned. dementia makes so much more sense.
Out of pure curiosity, I read the graphic novel which inspired this movie, and I found it weirdly touching. There was no evil corporation that wanted to test drugs on them or anything, so I assume that was added in the movie only. The particular story of the graphic novel Sandcastle obviously has the same plot - a ''magic'' place that makes everyone fast forward - and the characters were also just briefly introduced. One part specifically made me really sad - in the evening, the aged up girl and the aged up boy talk, and he says ''Can we stay up all night? I've never done that! It must be really fun!'', knowing well they wouldn't survive the night. There's the same symbolism, but the Sandcastle just delivered it better, in my opinion.
I read the graphic novel too after seeing the trailers for this first come out since it seemed really weird. I enjoyed the graphic novel despite being kind of grossed/creeped out. I don’t remember a good deal of it but that’s probably for the best since it was suuuper unsettling (and I was reading it during zoom math class during the worst of the pandemic). It was sweet at some parts and I thought the art style was well-used. If I were a movie producer I can see why the guy wanted to do it, but I feel like a graphic novel was the best medium for this story.
I also just read the graphic novel after reading Pachyderme (another graphic novel with the same artist and then reading another called The Smell Of Starving Boys) and just read the summary because the trailer alone gave me existential depression so I'm only willing to put myself through that experience once. And yeah it was a depressing read
So if they age a year every 30 minutes does that mean that she was pregnant for 22.5 minutes? I haven't watched the movie but this is just one of many reasons why I'm not going to 😂
@@noa4644 yes but also at the same time (I don’t know how the logic of the movie works bc I didn’t see it) if they age so rapidly then their cycles would be so quick that they should essentially be constantly on their period. The only way this could happen is if the sperm reached the egg at exactly the right time, if intercourse began significantly before the egg dropped. But also on the other hand, the walls of the uterus wouldn’t be able to build up its lining quickly enough to expel it each ovulation, so they’d appear to be on the same stage of their cycle as when they entered. But then how would the egg implant if there was not sufficient uterine wall lining. There are many questions, and I doubt there are any answers.
shyamalan actually does this "x mental illness is violent and scary" thing in basically ALL of his movies... the most obvious one that comes to mind is how he depicted DID in split...it's just. pure ableism lol
My brother in law has schizophrenia and it always annoys me when people ask, "do you feel safe around him?" Like 🥴 I don't know why people still have that assumption and movies like this DON'T 👏🏾 HELP 👏🏾...he'll be more upset with himself before anybody else!!
I think people still associate mentally ill people with being dangerous is because people who haven't had a personal experience with mental illness (as in experiencing mental illness themselves or personally knows and regularly interacts with a mentally ill person) dont have a developed or nuanced idea of what mentally ill people are actually like. And when that happens we rely on media to fill in those gaps of informationfor us. Unfortunately the arbiters of mainstream media are just as underdeveloped in their understanding of mental illness as the averge person; so the quality of the representation mental illness gets is not competent or consistent (because there is SOME passible depictions of mental illness out there but the averge person doesn't know how to tell those apart from the bad representation) . It doesnt help that mass shooters and serial killers of every kind get labeled mentally ill at every turn or the idea that violent and dangerous individuals MUST something diagnose-able wrong with them, mentally. Some people are just evil and theres nothing mentally wrong with them even if their behavior is exceptional and abnormal. I guess that scares most people and its easier to cope with the knowledge of evil people in the world if you can blame it on a single phenomenon. Because its harder to stomach the idea that there are horrible people who are also not mentally ill and there is no satisfying and easy to understand answer as to what separates them from people who don't commit horrible acts on others besides the fact that they committed the acts they commit.
I think the fact that the understanding and acceptance of mental illness being still pretty new in modern human history is another thing. Currently no one struggles to understand how you get sick because germ theory has been around for as long as it has and its easy to test the theory. Whereas mental illness is still pretty new, as in, were only recently in human history traveling in the right direction on the right track to understanding mental illness and its still so new theres many things that still aren't understood. And its a crapshoot to curing/treating the mental illness. Its hard to replicate success of medicationa because medicstions that work for some dont work on others with the same diagnosis. Mental illness is just so complex and is a subject that the science community is learning new things about that I can see why its not a pop science thats easy to translate into mainstream media.
yeah that's so messed up... im sorry you both deal with that- also like, stigma like that makes it so much harder to get diagnosed and get treatement for a mental illness like that and to be able to talk about it in public and have support for it at *argh* *frustration noises*
M. Night's track record for portraying mental illness is just... so bad, and every time the issue comes up I'm just reminded of an assignment my psychology course had where we had to do an analysis of how a film of our choice portrayed a mental illness. It was up to us which film we chose, but the ONE recommendation that the professors had was: "please, for the sake of your grade, don't do Split"
saw someone tell their psych teacher made them watch split for education a while ago which uhhhhh let's just say i'm not sure that person should be teaching psych
@@paperigangsta it's possible they showed it to encapsulate how DID *doesn't* look. Like with House MD - it was actually shown to people for educational purposes but the inaccuracies were also highlighted by the educator.
I have a driving phobia so never learned how to drive. As a matter of fact at the age of 28 which is what I am now..I found out what a sedan was 🤣 . So what’s funny about the mid size sedan thing? Do they not exist? I’m legitimately confused. Closest thing to a car I know anything about is the go cart in crash team racing
I knew I wouldn’t be taking the movie seriously when the dad said; “HE HAS A KNIFE!” Very stupidly after everyone had already seen it. I completely lost it in the theatre when the blonde lady started transforming into a spider looking thing inside the cave. Shit was too funny to me.
No the dad shit was funny, but when her body kept breaking and healing in multiple places at the same time, I just couldn’t wrap my head around how insane that is.
I would literally laugh every time that lady would be like “DONT LOOK AT ME!!”, I felt so identified, I act the same way when I’m fresh off the bed in the morning
as a mentally ill/disabled person it is way more likely for someone with a disorder to be the victim of mistreatment and not the other way around like a lot of media suggests. i hate the “crazy mentally ill person” stereotype so much because it perpetuates untrue narratives and harms the vulnerable of us even more.thank you for standing up for us kennie
I can't stand that either...I used to work as a mental health technician...I've held hands, supported, and cried with my patients...I don't like how they misuse the word "crazy"...I find it disgusting. My heart goes out to you so much
@@najahrasheedahi really wish there was more of an emphasis on this side of mental health in school systems.i held a lot of the same harmful stereotypes when i was younger and only really learned and understood these issues when i was faced with my own. i was very ableist until my autism and adhd diagnosis and i wish so much i could’ve been a better ally before it directly affected me. i try not to beat myself up about it and work to be better every day. thank you for your compassion and empathy. i really look up to people like you who are so strong and caring. thank you for the kind words, i’m really grateful for such an amazing community of people to be a part of :)
Exactly!! My whole life I've watched my older autistic brother be affected by so many harmful disability stereotypes similar to these. And I've been living with multiple mental illnesses since I was 11, I'm almost 20 now and the weird damaging stereotypes/ways people treat me are still the same as well. It's so sad how it seems like ignorant people just never change. My heart goes out to you ❤❤
@@anonymousme3571 people with those disorders are also very likely to inwardly hurt themselves than lash out. you can be a good person or a bad person with or without mental health or personality disorders. it’s harmful to demonize a disorder, especially ones that already have stigma. diagnoses explain behavior, they do not excuse it, and many, many people with these disorders work very hard to be good people and prove those stereotypes wrong.
I thought the trailer was good and I wanted to see it till I realized it was from m night and then I was like ehhhh maybe not I also may have been drunk when I saw the trailer and thought it was cool ig lmfao
I remember watching the trailer w my friends and it was supposed to be a horrible but missed the scary element so we all watched it anyways and left so confused with everything 😭
@@mqctavish not really because the whole reason they even put people on the island was to create medicine, so the whole reason it came at the end was to show why they did that and to bring up the question is it ok to sacrifice a few people to help billions.
"Write that screenplay! The world is your oyster! You think I'm gonna let people try and stop me? And M Night Shyamalan hasn't made a good movie since 1999 and is still getting the bag?" Well damn that gave me some confidence lol
People with mental illness are actually way more likely to be the VICTIM of crimes, especially when their symptoms are more severe. It’s how people tend to think victims of sexual assault are the problem if it happens multiple times; victims have a much higher chance of being assaulted again.
The end of Sandcastle really fucked me up (though let be real the whole book is a trip), like the baby lived in the comic and was the last one alive at the end. you realize that she's gonna experience what the others experienced but by herself.
It was definitely fascinating and a worthwhile read, especially when they stomped on the castle because someone said the castle will outlive them and at the end the daughter makes a castle, I also appreciate the art for making everyone grow older thoughout the panels so naturally But for anyone going to read it, there is a lot of nudity
At this point he should just get a writer. It’s okay to admit that it’s not your strength. Find someone who can and just direct but his ego will never let him do it
Apparently the French comic is so deep and intense but he added the twist because that's his thing and it took a lot away from the story. Amanda The Jedi talks a bit about it
I believe the thing with Shyamalan is the fact that his movies are usually a great concept but are poorly executed. They are bad enough that a lot of people make fun of, but not enough for people to hate them they are just lacking, like "meh this could have been way better" more like wasted potential.
ngl it's kinda weird for me because some of Shyamalan movies are actually good imo? Like there's a few I can think of where I was like ' yeah that's a good movie ' but the problem is his catalog isn't great which always leaves me feeling when a movie comes out from him where i'm like will it be good? bad? luke warm? we never know until we watch it
As someone with DID ever since I saw the film spilt I felt sick bc it was just was so not true, my life as a child was a nightmare. I never was in control. This made me think these movies could be fun and laughted at. Im glad you don't take his movies seriously and make us laugh
i know how you feel. im also diagnosed with DID. i cant bring myself to even watch the trailer for split, i feel even sick just listening to people talk about the movie. im glad people are finding humor in this movie rather than taking it as a serious depiction of schizophrenia
M.Night has a very 'tell don't show' writing/directing style and it drives me insane - and he has a habit of wanting to be inclusive/representative, while simultaneously doing it SO FUCKING BADLY that people end up not wanting to be represented in his movies.
Kennie very slowly but surely becoming a pretentious art person after shaming every single art person on this planet in previous videos is what I live for 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The fact that the guy in the original graphic novel had dementia and Shyamalan changed it to schizophrenia says a Lot. Especially when added to Split and other characters like the "mentally ill/psychic" drug user that killed Bruce Willis in the 6th sense.
Thank you for being so upfront about the representation of mental illness in this film. I'm a trauma survivor, with DID, C-PTSD, Borderline Personality Disorder, ADHD, and Autism. Despite all of that, I've got a happy marriage, a family, a career, and am thriving and successful. People are frequently surprised when I reveal my complex diagnosis to them, as well as my struggles with the debilitating genetic disorder Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, and my reply to them always is, "there's a lot more of us out here than you realize."
I saw this in theaters and the collective gasp of horror that came from watching the reveal of the girl being pregnant is something that will never leave my mind
I took the whole family out, my mum, my aunt, my younger sister. I had to remind my mum that her hysterical laughing was probably disturbing other people who were actually finding the film tense and scary. I saw it at the cinema I work at so we got free tickets, and I still wanted a refund. At least we had a good time laughing at it.
One thing I noticed with how mental illness is portrayed in film, is that the focus is always on the reaction and feelings of other character's who are not mentally ill or disabled. It's essentially used as a plot device to further increase the stakes of the safety of the main character. And it's so frustrating knowing that people who are mentally ill or have a disability are way more likely to be the ones abused than to be the ones hurting others. While I absolutely loved this movie, that part really didn't sit well with me.
@@beck9238 I have one out about a sociopath who seduces her parole officer. It’s called Chenille if you’re interested, you can look up Chenille and Allison Miller. My other is a heartwarming young adult book about a girl who’s abandoned by her mother and her employer has to raise her. It’s set to come out the 22nd. But I have weird. I’m good at weird.
Lol this was the pettiest thing, but I didn't wanna second date because the dude not only picked this movie but didn't see nothing wrong or have anything to say about the film 🤣🤣🤣 sir that's all the red flags to me.
@@layton6202 with being over the internet idk your tone. But let me tell ya, it's not just black girls. His work just isn't for everyone. Idk what you want
@@PequenoGiant it's just that I see a lot of black girl's side eyeing him ....I know the reason for this girl was because he didn't do a cartoon show she liked justice with the live action and that seems to be the only reason she could come up with about why she thinks he's a horrible movie maker, but what or other people's excuses
@@layton6202 We all have what we like and what we don't. So if you like him, good for you, that's fine. But I would.like to point out that Kennie mentioned more as to why she doesn't like the movies he does. The live actions aren't disliked purely because of the hold of nostalgia, it's because there was already a basis for them and M Knight might as well thrown that all away. The executions of those were awful. As for other movies, maybe they look good in writing and on the storyboard, but once it all comes together to me they seem lackluster or choppy or overall disconnected. Like mentioned in this video, he can have very good actors, but they can only act as well as the script and direction they are given allows them to. I'm not saying all his movies are bad, I do like a few. But with a majority of his work, M Knight has a thing for going beyond out of pocket with his ideas and "visions" and it works for some but not for others. They're just hit or misses honestly 🤷🏿♀️
i was laughing so hard omg. The theater... was not empty. I'm still laughing at Giuseppe like 2 weeks later. Something that bothered me maybe too much is how in the first half of the film they have the kids continue to act like their kid selves, just in older bodies and then halfway through they just... drop that. And they talk like adults. Why?
The amount of joy this half second gave me was only topped by my subsequent discovery of the legend himself in this comment section. What a glorious day!
It’s a bit of a shame. The Sixth Sense was one of the best movies of the 90s. And I think Split, Unbreakable, Signs and even The Village are all passable. But M Night’s movies frequently lack finesse, lack vision, are very tone-deaf, and try too hard to be “intellectual” and “surprising” while at the same time being basic and safe. And that’s not even including the travesty of The Last Airbender.
shyamalan kinda screwed himself with the sixth sense being so good because it made him think he was the twist guy, when he was really just the guy who got lucky his actors were so good
Shamylan uses mental illness like a frigging set dressing without understanding the actual illness and it always makes me so mad. I refuse to watch Split, I know people who have DID and it's just offensive
How could Shymalan take such a good, depressing, heartfelt story and turn it into such a mess? It baffles me that he was given all the tools to make something amazing and he completely ruined it ( he did the same thing with avatar too lol)
Apparently in the comic the surgeon just had dementia. Shamyalan decided to make him have schizophrenia purely because of the stigmatization (which he is adding to)
you HAVE to do netflix's remake-ish of she's all that called he's all that. it's so bad i was nearly in tears its a must watch. i need !!!! your reaction to this movie
Aaron Pierre aka Mid sized Sudan is also in the Underground Railroad! He was amazing in the series, just dropping this in case y’all wanna be blessed by his presence (TW. It’s a very graphic series and delves into A LOT black Trauma so be careful)
Thank you so much for speaking up on the representation of mental illness and chronic illness in media. Overwhelmingly, people who are mentally ill are the victims of violence and abuse, rather then perpetrator! Haven't really heard the abelism issues mentioned in talks about this movie before, it's appreciated. SO tired of seeing dehumanizing depictions of people with chronic illness!!
@@rahbeeuh like how people with anti social personality disorder are always the villain, if I remember correctly they have low levels of sympathy, they aren't all murders. I just hate in general how the media portrays mental illness.
@@bloodieghostie they tend to be apathetic which gives "writers" enough fuel to create characters with that disorder as their reasoning. I mean if they're gonna use APD as a motive at least give a proper backstory instead of throwaway lines and breadcrumbs. I'm annoyed with villainizing characters with mental illnesses and find it doesn't do much but add to stigma. Also when I wrote "writers" I meant the lazy kind.
I feel like the only thing keeping this movie from being a pretty decent thriller really is the "Twist." Like, the concept of a movie where this strange phenomenon happens where everyone suddenly starts aging at a rapid pace and their underlying health conditions all start to get worse is a fantastic premise, especially when you consider the movie to be a supernatural thriller or hell even a better sci-fi thriller where you don't know if its magic or nature-based or some kind of chemical-hormone thing has leaked into the water. But it's really the ending that really kills it for everyone, because who the fuck thinks that people rapidly aging + Labyrinth-like remote beach that prevents anyone from escaping = hidden laboratory where people test miracle cures on people with underlying heath conditions and/or mental health conditions???????
I had a cousin who had schizophrenia he was a kind person. Most people with schizophrenia hurt themselves not others. It's so disgusting how this movie adds to the abelism towards those with schizophrenia.
The graphic novel was honestly just as bad. At least Shyamalan tried making something out of it. The novel was a waste of time. Excessive sexualization of children (and showing their private bits) and no resolution as to why is happening or why. And what happened with the hotel boy? I guess we'll never know 🤷
@@dataexpunged6969 I agree that the comic wasn't the best thing either...I feel like if you mixed some aspects of the comic with some aespects of the movie, you'd have a pretty good story. I do appreciate that Shyamalan tried to at least add nuance to the story instead of leaving it "open" aka opening various storylines and never concluding them
@@vibewithprince2467 yeeep exactly what I thought as well. It would be great if some decent director took both the movie and the book and made something watchable out of it 🤣
Honestly, Kennie, you're one of the few delights I have atm. I recently quit my job (2 years of narcissism, low pay/them lying about the pay at all, and racism from managers) and now I'm just trying to work on my manuscript lmfao
@@rahbeeuh Thank you so much! It was absolutely awful but I'm glad I'm out of there and I'm not looking back!! 😭 I'm hoping to work on myself for a little longer before getting back out there.
I thought the whole bit of “do you know what book I’m reading” was playing to the whole relationship struggles between the mom and dad. Like it was a passive aggressive way to call him out never paying attention to her.
It doesn't matter if you're a great actress/actor. If the director is bad, the movie is going to crash and burn. Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern is an example of that
saw the trailer on youtube and dragged my parents with me to watch it the first time, then i dragged my bestie with me to watch it the second time. i almost PEED myself from laughing throughout the whole movie and i lost my shit when he made his cameo. and i left the theatre thinking of u and HOPING you’d be just as obsessed with it as i was and still am. what gets me is he’s so proud of the movie like he thinks he ATE.. this movie was my joker idc
My boyfriend wanted to surprise me and take me out on a date to the movie theater (we had never been on a date there before due to covid) and the film we picked was this, because there were mostly things we'd already seen, and we had a wonderful time making fun of this...thing
This sentence alone made me laugh my butt off..I can only imagine seeing the actual scene in the cinema Edit: there's something about " baby bones rattle" that sends me
I took a horror film course in college and we dedicated a bit of time to discussing the use of mental illness in horror and how tricky it is to navigate that. Personally, I'm someone who has dealt with mental illness for the bulk of my life, and am far too familiar with the stigma that comes from that (especially when you are unwell to an extent that it cannot be hidden). However, I also can't deny that some of my favorite horrors and psychological thrillers revolve around mentally ill characters. I feel that naming the illness is one thing that we should maybe push to avoid when it comes to portraying mentally ill characters in film. Directly tying behavior to a specific diagnosis is often unnecessary and is almost always used as a device to play off of the audiences own preconceived notions about certain "scary" mental illnesses. Doing so is exploitative and harmful. I also feel that, perhaps more than anything, we need to focus more on putting more information out there about mental illness. Too many people go through life with their only experiences with certain conditions being through film, leaving them with completely false and extreme ideas about mental illness. There needs to be more good representation of mental illness out there so that when mental illness appears in horror, a person can already have the knowledge that this is not meant to be an accurate representation of mental illness.
I saw in an interview where M. Night actually could t get funding for this movie & had to pay for it himself 😂 he was saying it like it's a good thing, cause this way he could "take risks" Oh child.
21:06 As a film makeup artist my girl, probably a big part of the people that worked in this film or in any bad movie are just there to work 😂😂 we people in the industry love filming that’s why we are there (? but we understand that not every project that we work in is going to be A masterpiece ✌🏽😂😂
The surgeon apparently had dementia in the graphic novel I think I heard so I guess the misrepresentation of mental illnesses is just a Shyamalan thing.
It's the silence before the storm for me💀. That beginning had me dying for some reason. It just told me how bad this was going to be. M Knight Shymalan is..... a.... unique, yes unique man
I started writing a story based on a soap carving that I’m doing in my art class. It’s called Fredrick the roach and his revenge it’s about a roach named Fredrick who wants to get revenge on every single cave man because one killed his little brother named Jimmy jr.
Just wanted to put it out there that M. Night has been funding his own films for a while (Visit, Split, Glass and Old). Which is something that I respect since even though the movies haven't been good he is personally paying to create something he wants to create rather than just flushing investors' money down the toilet.
i appreciated the commentary on mental illness, i remember being greatly saddened and angry about the representation of mental illness in SPLIT, shayamalans last big movie i remember. he has a history of treating people with mental illness as violent stereotypes.
This is not the first time Shyamalan has had crappy mental health representation in one of his films. Anyone remember the clusterfuck that was Split? God forbid he makes a film without demonizing people who struggle with mental illness
When i heard that this movie was based on a comic i went and read it and oh boy... the existencial dread is intense in that one, letf me catartic for a few days :x
I tried watching this film a couple of days ago. I got through the first 5 minutes then I had to stop. You didn't tell us it literally starts with 'witty' chitchat about being young, being old, appreciating the present, mostly delivered by the mom who has cancer, while on a vacation with her family while doing work-stuff on her phone(!!!). I couldn't even laugh, I was just stuck in a loop of what is going on?! 🤤
I've been noticing lately the ABUNDANCE of black female therapists on screen. Horror movie "Swallow" - black female therapist, this movie - black female therapist, that Riverdale episode - black female therapist, My Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Mr. Robot, Bad Moms... I swear I could remember at least 5 more examples. Now representation is great and all but I can't shake off the feeling that Hollywood just continues to perpetuate the "wise black woman" trope by making them play therapists.
@@please_im_a_staaar Agree. I'm always skeptical about representative because most of the time falls into a stereotypical trope. One of the examples you mentioned (Bad Moms), Wanda Sykes character was a combination of the wise women trope with comedic relief.
@@please_im_a_staaar I mean that's not a bad trope and there kinda isn't any film out there that doesn't play on some kind of trope. So I dont really get what u mean by this.
As someone with mental illness, Id rather just take a beating than actually fight someone. Let alone actually hurt someone. And I have a feeling anyone with schizophrenia watching that movie hate the portrail of their mental illness
I REALLY wish I knew the name of the movie I found while channel surfing many years ago... The main character was schizophrenic and, while having to walk a good distance on crowded streets, couldn't stop the tics or talking to himself and all he could do was talk to himself about how everyone was staring. That was true horror: knowing exactly how other people are judging you but being unable to control your own body and feeling so exposed. The camera focused on him the whole time, and the background folks gawking at him we're just sort of blurry. It was a much better way to show the reality of mental illness and how it affects the patient themselves. If anyone can tell me the movie's title, I will bake you cookies.
I'm legitimately wondering if M. Night is an alien using movies to try to understand humanity or a failed form of mass mind control on a path of world domination. He makes me lean sideways in an attempt to see the cut off parts of a scene. He makes me lean back to avoid the zoom in faces being so huge. He did the same inconsistent framing he user in avatar when two characters share dialog. I actually began wondering if he's using it to hide continuity errors because it would be a reason better than the most likely "he thought it looked cool". Who would let him touch adaptations after Avatar? When will they learn! But I do like the random thoughts I get trying to figure out why he shot that like this, or why did I understand but not understand the human speech I just heard. The man is something. If he had less of an ego he would've been great…good-ish.
Thank you for bringing up the overrepresentation of mental health in horror/thrillers. It's used as the "why" for monstrous actions way too often! Dammit Old why'd you ruin the camp with that.
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I don't believe Shamylan has ever even TALKED to another human being
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shyamalan* It's okay you tried 🤣
Right. His movies make me laugh hysterically.
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@abigail mun that’s how it’s spelled in the disclaimer. It’s okay, you tried though
Counselor in training here: people with schizophrenia are FAR more likely to hurt themselves and this stigma associating schizophrenia with violent outbursts makes it that much harder for people with schizophrenia to deal with the disease which is already so hard to deal with since it is a disease that heavily impacts a person's "functionality" in society.
Occupational Therapy student and I couldn't agree more.
Thank you. My brother had paranoid schizophrenia and committed suicide - he never hurt _anyone_ else no matter how hard his illness got on him.
I think they need to show every angle of what a person goes through with the illness and what they can potentially do. My great uncle (a pastor) took custody of a church member's children. She was....hysterical majority of the time and would act out against herself and against her children as well. Representation matters so yes they need to show how they can be violent and paranoid with themselves but also with their surroundings and others as well. Films and TV need to display more rather than the surface.
Wanted to say they are all above 18 now three of them live together and work as well. One lives up north in the state going to university.
@@ShanyShannon yes, but stories with schizophrenic people as the scary violent villains are common, its an over represented stereotype
@@enyafeckenham5730 exactly this. CAN schizophrenia result in violent actions against others? yes. but has that been FAR too commonly represented in media? also yes. where's the representation for schizophrenics who don't hurt others, hmm? if we're supposed to be representing all sides of a certain mental illness, then where is THAT side of it?
the worst part imo is that the schizophrenic character was changed from the orignal story. in the comic, he had alzhiemers so shamylan made a deliberate choice to insert this harmful stereotype of an already vilified mental illness into his story.. one would think he had learned something from split and at least done a little homework on this sort of representation.
Shamylan and harmful stereotypes go hand in hand. Most of his movies put mental disorders in a bad light.
Even worse is that he based the character off of his dad with dementia.
m night shyamalan thinks that the DSM is a D&D monster manual
Pretty bad especially considering that people with dementia related mental illness *can* be violent towards people out of confusion and fear because they can't remember or fully realize what's happening in the moment. It's rare, but there *have* been cases of people with dementia killing people out of fear. One guy actually murdered his wife and then actually forgot that he did so because of dementia. It's a terrible illness.
I thought he had dementia/Alzheimers or something? The way he was portrayed didn't even seem like schizophrenia. It's like they kept the Alzheimer's behavior and slapped schizophrenia on it just BECAUSE.
I think the switch from Dementia to Schizophrenia makes the ableism worse because
it's clearly /dementia/ rather than schizophrenia, dementia makes more sense. It matches the symptoms, the "worsening" with time, the deeply suspicious rages etc.
either way sits badly on the tongue.
Also, people with dementia are far more likely than people with schizophrenia to be violent towards others. We just don't tend to think about that because we just think of it as the sad disease old people get, but old people can be freaking deadly and not all people with dementa are old. Dementia is an awful illness and yes, very tragic, but it's not just sweet, frail old ladies having sad yet touching moments where they think their son is their husband.
Am I complaining that we don't get more killer Notebook grannies? No. Because you can guarantee the subject of dementia sufferers being violent wouldn't be treated with the sensitivity it deserves. But at the same time, it makes infinitely more sense in this context than schiziphrenia.
@@katharineeavan9705 I agree based on life experience working in a psych ward and then a nursing home...people with dementia were more violent than the people with schizophrenia by alot
I was convinced it was dementia until they mentioned it was schizophrenia in the last few minutes of the film. And I remember feeling very confused because it seemed like the doctor was presenting more with memory loss and confusion.
that makes sense because in the book the person initially has Alzheimer's (something that relatives of mine had) but either way it's still an awful representation whether it be Dementia, Schizophrenia, or Alzheimer's (keeping in mind that the book is so much better than the movie)
exactly, especially the aggressiveness, which is very common in dementia patients. I remember watching the movie, and thinking it was dementia until schizophrenia was mentioned. dementia makes so much more sense.
Out of pure curiosity, I read the graphic novel which inspired this movie, and I found it weirdly touching. There was no evil corporation that wanted to test drugs on them or anything, so I assume that was added in the movie only. The particular story of the graphic novel Sandcastle obviously has the same plot - a ''magic'' place that makes everyone fast forward - and the characters were also just briefly introduced. One part specifically made me really sad - in the evening, the aged up girl and the aged up boy talk, and he says ''Can we stay up all night? I've never done that! It must be really fun!'', knowing well they wouldn't survive the night. There's the same symbolism, but the Sandcastle just delivered it better, in my opinion.
I read the graphic novel too after seeing the trailers for this first come out since it seemed really weird. I enjoyed the graphic novel despite being kind of grossed/creeped out. I don’t remember a good deal of it but that’s probably for the best since it was suuuper unsettling (and I was reading it during zoom math class during the worst of the pandemic). It was sweet at some parts and I thought the art style was well-used. If I were a movie producer I can see why the guy wanted to do it, but I feel like a graphic novel was the best medium for this story.
The end where the adult-baby is just sitting there surrounded by everyone else’s dead bodies is so weirdly touching
I also just read the graphic novel after reading Pachyderme (another graphic novel with the same artist and then reading another called The Smell Of Starving Boys) and just read the summary because the trailer alone gave me existential depression so I'm only willing to put myself through that experience once. And yeah it was a depressing read
Kara somehow getting pregnant yet somehow not getting her period is my villain origin story.
IKR I WAS LIKE HOWWW
Getting spontaneous preggo would have been REAL horror, since you know... they were babies wouldn't know how to copulate. Like come on.
So if they age a year every 30 minutes does that mean that she was pregnant for 22.5 minutes? I haven't watched the movie but this is just one of many reasons why I'm not going to 😂
It’s technically not impossible if she got pregnant from her first ovulation but its very unlikely
@@noa4644 yes but also at the same time (I don’t know how the logic of the movie works bc I didn’t see it) if they age so rapidly then their cycles would be so quick that they should essentially be constantly on their period. The only way this could happen is if the sperm reached the egg at exactly the right time, if intercourse began significantly before the egg dropped. But also on the other hand, the walls of the uterus wouldn’t be able to build up its lining quickly enough to expel it each ovulation, so they’d appear to be on the same stage of their cycle as when they entered. But then how would the egg implant if there was not sufficient uterine wall lining. There are many questions, and I doubt there are any answers.
shyamalan actually does this "x mental illness is violent and scary" thing in basically ALL of his movies... the most obvious one that comes to mind is how he depicted DID in split...it's just. pure ableism lol
Is lol your default
@@layton6202 ??
@@spooksboh6251 is lol your default ending
@@layton6202 is being rude your default setting?
@@EpiphanyDraws is being an air head yours ?
*”He can park that Midsized Sedan…right in this little garage. 🚗 💨”*
Oh, Kennie😂😂
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Lmaoooooo I was wheezing🤣🤣🤣
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Me next 😏
My brother in law has schizophrenia and it always annoys me when people ask, "do you feel safe around him?" Like 🥴 I don't know why people still have that assumption and movies like this DON'T 👏🏾 HELP 👏🏾...he'll be more upset with himself before anybody else!!
I think people still associate mentally ill people with being dangerous is because people who haven't had a personal experience with mental illness (as in experiencing mental illness themselves or personally knows and regularly interacts with a mentally ill person) dont have a developed or nuanced idea of what mentally ill people are actually like. And when that happens we rely on media to fill in those gaps of informationfor us. Unfortunately the arbiters of mainstream media are just as underdeveloped in their understanding of mental illness as the averge person; so the quality of the representation mental illness gets is not competent or consistent (because there is SOME passible depictions of mental illness out there but the averge person doesn't know how to tell those apart from the bad representation) . It doesnt help that mass shooters and serial killers of every kind get labeled mentally ill at every turn or the idea that violent and dangerous individuals MUST something diagnose-able wrong with them, mentally. Some people are just evil and theres nothing mentally wrong with them even if their behavior is exceptional and abnormal. I guess that scares most people and its easier to cope with the knowledge of evil people in the world if you can blame it on a single phenomenon. Because its harder to stomach the idea that there are horrible people who are also not mentally ill and there is no satisfying and easy to understand answer as to what separates them from people who don't commit horrible acts on others besides the fact that they committed the acts they commit.
I think the fact that the understanding and acceptance of mental illness being still pretty new in modern human history is another thing. Currently no one struggles to understand how you get sick because germ theory has been around for as long as it has and its easy to test the theory. Whereas mental illness is still pretty new, as in, were only recently in human history traveling in the right direction on the right track to understanding mental illness and its still so new theres many things that still aren't understood. And its a crapshoot to curing/treating the mental illness. Its hard to replicate success of medicationa because medicstions that work for some dont work on others with the same diagnosis. Mental illness is just so complex and is a subject that the science community is learning new things about that I can see why its not a pop science thats easy to translate into mainstream media.
yeah that's so messed up... im sorry you both deal with that-
also like, stigma like that makes it so much harder to get diagnosed and get treatement for a mental illness like that and to be able to talk about it in public and have support for it at *argh* *frustration noises*
M. Night's track record for portraying mental illness is just... so bad, and every time the issue comes up I'm just reminded of an assignment my psychology course had where we had to do an analysis of how a film of our choice portrayed a mental illness. It was up to us which film we chose, but the ONE recommendation that the professors had was: "please, for the sake of your grade, don't do Split"
I wonder why the professors said not to do Split
@@bubblegumplastic because it is the most ridiculous and offensive portrayal of Dissociative Identity Disorder, at least of the last decade lmao.
saw someone tell their psych teacher made them watch split for education a while ago which uhhhhh let's just say i'm not sure that person should be teaching psych
@@rutuesday yeah it made a bunch of people with did and schizophrenia lose their jobs and homes the way jaws made the shark population decrease
@@paperigangsta it's possible they showed it to encapsulate how DID *doesn't* look. Like with House MD - it was actually shown to people for educational purposes but the inaccuracies were also highlighted by the educator.
I was high and slightly inebriated when I saw this movie. I literally screamed in the theater when I heard the name “midsize sedan” LIKE HUH?! 😭😂
What about whatever the name of his hit song was? 😂
fr that sounds like a parody name what the hell shyamalan
Girl same.😂😂 I was high asf and didn’t watch the trailer for this and was so confused
I have a driving phobia so never learned how to drive. As a matter of fact at the age of 28 which is what I am now..I found out what a sedan was 🤣 . So what’s funny about the mid size sedan thing? Do they not exist? I’m legitimately confused. Closest thing to a car I know anything about is the go cart in crash team racing
@@pixiedust5239 it’s just a dumb name
Kennie: “that was such a funny comedy!”
Shyamalan: “It wasn’t a comedy.”
Kennie: “oh um >_>”
She just laugh harder she wouldn't even say um 🤣
The worst the movie the more snatched your makeup is and that’s art.
Except those damn baby hairs
@@AKilahVamp her baby hairs are cute
@@AKilahVamp what u saying 😒✋🏾 Chile
One of the ways my universe maintains balance 😌✌🏾✨
@@cxmls20 they trollin
I knew I wouldn’t be taking the movie seriously when the dad said; “HE HAS A KNIFE!” Very stupidly after everyone had already seen it. I completely lost it in the theatre when the blonde lady started transforming into a spider looking thing inside the cave. Shit was too funny to me.
Dad: Lemme see what you have
???: A KNIFE!
Dad: NO!
No the dad shit was funny, but when her body kept breaking and healing in multiple places at the same time, I just couldn’t wrap my head around how insane that is.
I would literally laugh every time that lady would be like “DONT LOOK AT ME!!”, I felt so identified, I act the same way when I’m fresh off the bed in the morning
@@winniethepooh8353 I was literally 😟 during thr whole scene 😭it did not sit well with me
i love how shymalan keeps putting himself in his films for little cameos like he's Hitchcock or something. the delusion of it all!!
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He tries so hard to do it like Stan Lee but fails each time
as a mentally ill/disabled person it is way more likely for someone with a disorder to be the victim of mistreatment and not the other way around like a lot of media suggests. i hate the “crazy mentally ill person” stereotype so much because it perpetuates untrue narratives and harms the vulnerable of us even more.thank you for standing up for us kennie
I can't stand that either...I used to work as a mental health technician...I've held hands, supported, and cried with my patients...I don't like how they misuse the word "crazy"...I find it disgusting. My heart goes out to you so much
@@najahrasheedahi really wish there was more of an emphasis on this side of mental health in school systems.i held a lot of the same harmful stereotypes when i was younger and only really learned and understood these issues when i was faced with my own. i was very ableist until my autism and adhd diagnosis and i wish so much i could’ve been a better ally before it directly affected me.
i try not to beat myself up about it and work to be better every day. thank you for your compassion and empathy. i really look up to people like you who are so strong and caring. thank you for the kind words, i’m really grateful for such an amazing community of people to be a part of :)
Exactly!! My whole life I've watched my older autistic brother be affected by so many harmful disability stereotypes similar to these. And I've been living with multiple mental illnesses since I was 11, I'm almost 20 now and the weird damaging stereotypes/ways people treat me are still the same as well. It's so sad how it seems like ignorant people just never change. My heart goes out to you ❤❤
With the exception of narcissistic disorders, psychopathy, and sociopathy - i’m sure.
@@anonymousme3571 people with those disorders are also very likely to inwardly hurt themselves than lash out. you can be a good person or a bad person with or without mental health or personality disorders.
it’s harmful to demonize a disorder, especially ones that already have stigma. diagnoses explain behavior, they do not excuse it, and many, many people with these disorders work very hard to be good people and prove those stereotypes wrong.
The trailer for this movie was everywhere and I knew I didn’t want to watch it so I’m glad you’re talking about it 🤣
Oh shiet I’m early
She be out here taking Ls so we can get the Ws 🥲
@@Smooveandpretty big facts
I thought the trailer was good and I wanted to see it till I realized it was from m night and then I was like ehhhh maybe not
I also may have been drunk when I saw the trailer and thought it was cool ig lmfao
I remember watching the trailer w my friends and it was supposed to be a horrible but missed the scary element so we all watched it anyways and left so confused with everything 😭
THIS FILM MADE ME LAUGH SO HARD THERE WAS NO STORYLINE AT ALL-
Go to love the bare minimum 😜
@@animebabe539 yup 😩😩
The story was people on the island get old to make medicine
@@layton6202 the medicine part was so rushed in 😭😭
@@mqctavish not really because the whole reason they even put people on the island was to create medicine, so the whole reason it came at the end was to show why they did that and to bring up the question is it ok to sacrifice a few people to help billions.
"Write that screenplay! The world is your oyster! You think I'm gonna let people try and stop me? And M Night Shyamalan hasn't made a good movie since 1999 and is still getting the bag?"
Well damn that gave me some confidence lol
People with mental illness are actually way more likely to be the VICTIM of crimes, especially when their symptoms are more severe. It’s how people tend to think victims of sexual assault are the problem if it happens multiple times; victims have a much higher chance of being assaulted again.
The life lesson for this video is to stop giving M. Night a budget. Give him a tyler perry budget and let’s watch him struggle
As if he isn’t struggling now. I think he enjoys the hate
let's give M. Night's budget to Neil Breen
@@larshansson1953 Finally a movement I can get behind! That man deserves to afford more than one stock explosion sound. :p
He funded this whole thing with his own money
Tyler perry is at least a millionaire. He does not have a small budget babe.
Kennie's laugh is so fucking cute i cant handle it, i love seeing her have fun and enjoy herself
Yes! When she scream laughs or snorts, whatever it is she’s laughing at gets 100x funnier
Yesss 🥺
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i’m glad i’m not the only one, her laugh is gorgeous
The end of Sandcastle really fucked me up (though let be real the whole book is a trip), like the baby lived in the comic and was the last one alive at the end. you realize that she's gonna experience what the others experienced but by herself.
OMG that’s soo freaking sad 🥺 awww
@@dp3260 you read it lmao
@@kodao.2 fr😅
I read the book after seeing 3 reviews of this movie and it was great?? I love the book tbh. Very spooky and idk sad and all
It was definitely fascinating and a worthwhile read, especially when they stomped on the castle because someone said the castle will outlive them and at the end the daughter makes a castle, I also appreciate the art for making everyone grow older thoughout the panels so naturally
But for anyone going to read it, there is a lot of nudity
Why couldn’t they give mid sized sedan an actual name? And why justify racism by hiding it behind mental illness. Hated it.
Wasn't his name Brendan or something?
Seems like M Night got mad at some rapper and took it out on this film lmao
Also, Who Dafuq would give themselves the stage name "Mid-sized Sedan"?
Why couldn't sedan give that old man the hands? That's what would've happened in real life.
Mental illness that was portrayed super offensively too. Like, is he trying to win a game for how badly one can write about diversity?
At this point he should just get a writer. It’s okay to admit that it’s not your strength. Find someone who can and just direct but his ego will never let him do it
Apparently the French comic is so deep and intense but he added the twist because that's his thing and it took a lot away from the story. Amanda The Jedi talks a bit about it
Kinda like what he did with the last air bender. Makes sense
Lol Amanda the Jedi lmffao
@Chrissy K with a twist that makes no damn sense 💀
@@Yukinoomoni What ?
It wasn’t that deep, but still better than the movie
“park that midsized sedan right in this lil garage” WHEN I TELL YOU I CHOKED ON MY BURRITO-
Saikis Profil pic makes it so much better omg 😂😂
did it touch that lil' dangly thing that swing in the back of your throat?
annoyed face saiki pfp 💕
I believe the thing with Shyamalan is the fact that his movies are usually a great concept but are poorly executed. They are bad enough that a lot of people make fun of, but not enough for people to hate them they are just lacking, like "meh this could have been way better" more like wasted potential.
Agreed, his ego makes it impossible for him to take a step back and get others advice or direction and it ends up going to crap.
Truth, which is why it bugs me when one of his trash movies is based off a better thing. Like ATLA or how this movie is based off a comic
True the Comic this Movie is based on in way better
This. The dialogue felt like Cliff's Notes.
ngl it's kinda weird for me because some of Shyamalan movies are actually good imo? Like there's a few I can think of where I was like ' yeah that's a good movie ' but the problem is his catalog isn't great which always leaves me feeling when a movie comes out from him where i'm like will it be good? bad? luke warm? we never know until we watch it
As someone with DID ever since I saw the film spilt I felt sick bc it was just was so not true, my life as a child was a nightmare. I never was in control. This made me think these movies could be fun and laughted at. Im glad you don't take his movies seriously and make us laugh
i know how you feel. im also diagnosed with DID. i cant bring myself to even watch the trailer for split, i feel even sick just listening to people talk about the movie. im glad people are finding humor in this movie rather than taking it as a serious depiction of schizophrenia
@@admiralmeow3161 I wanna hug you bc this will happen again. We are here together. But thankful there are channels like this that will respect us
M.Night has a very 'tell don't show' writing/directing style and it drives me insane - and he has a habit of wanting to be inclusive/representative, while simultaneously doing it SO FUCKING BADLY that people end up not wanting to be represented in his movies.
Kennie very slowly but surely becoming a pretentious art person after shaming every single art person on this planet in previous videos is what I live for 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The character development(?) we thought we would never see 🤣
The fact that the guy in the original graphic novel had dementia and Shyamalan changed it to schizophrenia says a Lot. Especially when added to Split and other characters like the "mentally ill/psychic" drug user that killed Bruce Willis in the 6th sense.
My girls eye makeup is POPPING, i can't even concentrate on what she's saying *-*
True… But when ISN‘T her makeup on point???
Thank you for being so upfront about the representation of mental illness in this film. I'm a trauma survivor, with DID, C-PTSD, Borderline Personality Disorder, ADHD, and Autism. Despite all of that, I've got a happy marriage, a family, a career, and am thriving and successful. People are frequently surprised when I reveal my complex diagnosis to them, as well as my struggles with the debilitating genetic disorder Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, and my reply to them always is, "there's a lot more of us out here than you realize."
I saw this in theaters and the collective gasp of horror that came from watching the reveal of the girl being pregnant is something that will never leave my mind
I took the whole family out, my mum, my aunt, my younger sister. I had to remind my mum that her hysterical laughing was probably disturbing other people who were actually finding the film tense and scary. I saw it at the cinema I work at so we got free tickets, and I still wanted a refund. At least we had a good time laughing at it.
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I didn’t realize this was from M Knight Shymalan… everything makes so much sense now
ONLY the greatest movie director of all time!!!
@@ari1758 the best director of bad movies
@@movedchannels1543 idk what you’re talking about man this is a pure genius right here
He's a good director tho
Really? He's in the movie...
One thing I noticed with how mental illness is portrayed in film, is that the focus is always on the reaction and feelings of other character's who are not mentally ill or disabled. It's essentially used as a plot device to further increase the stakes of the safety of the main character. And it's so frustrating knowing that people who are mentally ill or have a disability are way more likely to be the ones abused than to be the ones hurting others. While I absolutely loved this movie, that part really didn't sit well with me.
Lol loving the fact that you have “Shyamalan” himself as a trigger warning.
So you’re saying my book idea about aliens turning people into serial killers is not a bad idea and I should go for it.
I'll read it
@@beck9238 I have one out about a sociopath who seduces her parole officer. It’s called Chenille if you’re interested, you can look up Chenille and Allison Miller. My other is a heartwarming young adult book about a girl who’s abandoned by her mother and her employer has to raise her. It’s set to come out the 22nd. But I have weird. I’m good at weird.
@@AllisonMiller30been 2 years hows the writing coming?
@@mr.psychedelic chose tentacles and ancient Pangean gods over aliens.
@@AllisonMiller30 ancient pangean gods. nice.
Lol this was the pettiest thing, but I didn't wanna second date because the dude not only picked this movie but didn't see nothing wrong or have anything to say about the film 🤣🤣🤣 sir that's all the red flags to me.
Good call lol
Shyamalan is the definition of "don't just let your dreams be dreams"
Granted some of his should remain dreams, but here we are
What's with the personal vendetta with black girl's and M Knight
@@layton6202 you’re such a weirdo.
@@layton6202 with being over the internet idk your tone. But let me tell ya, it's not just black girls. His work just isn't for everyone. Idk what you want
@@PequenoGiant it's just that I see a lot of black girl's side eyeing him ....I know the reason for this girl was because he didn't do a cartoon show she liked justice with the live action and that seems to be the only reason she could come up with about why she thinks he's a horrible movie maker, but what or other people's excuses
@@layton6202 We all have what we like and what we don't. So if you like him, good for you, that's fine. But I would.like to point out that Kennie mentioned more as to why she doesn't like the movies he does. The live actions aren't disliked purely because of the hold of nostalgia, it's because there was already a basis for them and M Knight might as well thrown that all away. The executions of those were awful. As for other movies, maybe they look good in writing and on the storyboard, but once it all comes together to me they seem lackluster or choppy or overall disconnected. Like mentioned in this video, he can have very good actors, but they can only act as well as the script and direction they are given allows them to. I'm not saying all his movies are bad, I do like a few. But with a majority of his work, M Knight has a thing for going beyond out of pocket with his ideas and "visions" and it works for some but not for others. They're just hit or misses honestly 🤷🏿♀️
This movie is giving me "your day can only go up from here after you watch it" vibes
i was laughing so hard omg. The theater... was not empty. I'm still laughing at Giuseppe like 2 weeks later.
Something that bothered me maybe too much is how in the first half of the film they have the kids continue to act like their kid selves, just in older bodies and then halfway through they just... drop that. And they talk like adults. Why?
Now I won't issue a copyright takedown for that half second of my intro
but just know you're on thin ice
brooo you’re amazing!
The amount of joy this half second gave me was only topped by my subsequent discovery of the legend himself in this comment section. What a glorious day!
Is this legit real or is there context I’m missing cuz the two comments ain’t help 😂😂
Mista GG!!!!!!!
It’s mesmerizing to watch Kennie’s lips get progressively filled in
I swear I saw you on Nick DiRamio's channel recently in the comments lol hi!!
@@shelby8364 I’m sure you did! Hello fellow cultured individual
I was gonna leave my dorm to find my motivation to study but staying in bed to watch Kennie is more appealing than facing the realities of college.
oh my god me too
both of y’all better start that assignment/ revision right now!!! even if it’s only 10 mins get it done🗣
How often do you feel lonely
I start this year praying for you and me
It’s a bit of a shame. The Sixth Sense was one of the best movies of the 90s. And I think Split, Unbreakable, Signs and even The Village are all passable. But M Night’s movies frequently lack finesse, lack vision, are very tone-deaf, and try too hard to be “intellectual” and “surprising” while at the same time being basic and safe. And that’s not even including the travesty of The Last Airbender.
Ohhh the last air bender the most exaggerated movie of how bad it is I've ever come across
shyamalan kinda screwed himself with the sixth sense being so good because it made him think he was the twist guy, when he was really just the guy who got lucky his actors were so good
@@EpiphanyDraws hour quirky aren't you
@@layton6202 literally what lmao
I personally always loved lady in the water too. It wasn’t liked by critics but I think it was probably one of his last good movies.
Shamylan uses mental illness like a frigging set dressing without understanding the actual illness and it always makes me so mad. I refuse to watch Split, I know people who have DID and it's just offensive
How could Shymalan take such a good, depressing, heartfelt story and turn it into such a mess? It baffles me that he was given all the tools to make something amazing and he completely ruined it ( he did the same thing with avatar too lol)
Apparently in the comic the surgeon just had dementia. Shamyalan decided to make him have schizophrenia purely because of the stigmatization (which he is adding to)
i cant believe shyamalan is still being trusted with movies
Stop it then
@@layton6202 shyamalan, is that you?
@@shareetz3154 yes it is
It’s because he makes money. This movie made $81 M on a $18 M budget (which is pretty impressive in a pandemic)
I mean, studios doesnt give him money, he makes his movies since the Visit with his own money
you HAVE to do netflix's remake-ish of she's all that called he's all that. it's so bad i was nearly in tears its a must watch. i need !!!! your reaction to this movie
boosting this 😩
boosting this as well
Yes!
She wasn’t a bad actor
Boosting please
Aaron Pierre aka Mid sized Sudan is also in the Underground Railroad! He was amazing in the series, just dropping this in case y’all wanna be blessed by his presence (TW. It’s a very graphic series and delves into A LOT black Trauma so be careful)
Kennie bringing up “Rush Hour” confirms to me that that movie wasn’t just an insane fever dream I had in childhood.
The first ad I saw for Old was on Snapchat and I thought it was a sunscreen advert...
Thank you so much for speaking up on the representation of mental illness and chronic illness in media. Overwhelmingly, people who are mentally ill are the victims of violence and abuse, rather then perpetrator! Haven't really heard the abelism issues mentioned in talks about this movie before, it's appreciated. SO tired of seeing dehumanizing depictions of people with chronic illness!!
Agreed. The portrayal is often inaccurate and overdone especially in horror and it does nothing but further add to the stigma of mental illnesses.
@@rahbeeuh like how people with anti social personality disorder are always the villain, if I remember correctly they have low levels of sympathy, they aren't all murders. I just hate in general how the media portrays mental illness.
@@bloodieghostie they tend to be apathetic which gives "writers" enough fuel to create characters with that disorder as their reasoning. I mean if they're gonna use APD as a motive at least give a proper backstory instead of throwaway lines and breadcrumbs. I'm annoyed with villainizing characters with mental illnesses and find it doesn't do much but add to stigma. Also when I wrote "writers" I meant the lazy kind.
I wish horror movies would shift away from the narrative of "people being victims of the mentally ill"
Additionally, please shift away from the other narrative of "people being victims of their mental illness"
Lol that's literally ever horror movie ever 😭
I feel like the only thing keeping this movie from being a pretty decent thriller really is the "Twist." Like, the concept of a movie where this strange phenomenon happens where everyone suddenly starts aging at a rapid pace and their underlying health conditions all start to get worse is a fantastic premise, especially when you consider the movie to be a supernatural thriller or hell even a better sci-fi thriller where you don't know if its magic or nature-based or some kind of chemical-hormone thing has leaked into the water. But it's really the ending that really kills it for everyone, because who the fuck thinks that people rapidly aging + Labyrinth-like remote beach that prevents anyone from escaping = hidden laboratory where people test miracle cures on people with underlying heath conditions and/or mental health conditions???????
Yeah, when I saw the trailers, I was kind of intrigued. The premise had me curious as well as slightly disturbed, just like any good trailer should.
In the orignal Comic there is no Twist and apparenlty it was supposed to have a Twist but the Author thought it would hurt the Story.
That’s what I thought it was originally seeing the trailer, was so let down seeing thr movie 💀
I had a cousin who had schizophrenia he was a kind person. Most people with schizophrenia hurt themselves not others. It's so disgusting how this movie adds to the abelism towards those with schizophrenia.
Literally… all you have to say nowadays is “Shyamalan”… That’s it.
Can you believe he really thinks he's talented 🥴
@@emilyau8023 And blames us for not seeing the nonexistent talent…
The graphic novel is deeply melancholic and kinda depressing especially the way it ends. Kinda glad Shami mad it campy 😂😂😂 didn't know I needed it
Omg the graphic novel ending literally had me feeling so depressed
@@sassysnape3738 where can you read it?
The graphic novel was honestly just as bad. At least Shyamalan tried making something out of it. The novel was a waste of time. Excessive sexualization of children (and showing their private bits) and no resolution as to why is happening or why. And what happened with the hotel boy? I guess we'll never know 🤷
@@dataexpunged6969 I agree that the comic wasn't the best thing either...I feel like if you mixed some aspects of the comic with some aespects of the movie, you'd have a pretty good story. I do appreciate that Shyamalan tried to at least add nuance to the story instead of leaving it "open" aka opening various storylines and never concluding them
@@vibewithprince2467 yeeep exactly what I thought as well. It would be great if some decent director took both the movie and the book and made something watchable out of it 🤣
Honestly, Kennie, you're one of the few delights I have atm. I recently quit my job (2 years of narcissism, low pay/them lying about the pay at all, and racism from managers) and now I'm just trying to work on my manuscript lmfao
Hope you find a new better job 🙌
I'm glad you quit! That job doesn't sound healthy. So great you're pursuing work on your manuscript. May it prosper ✨
@@kyliesmith521 Thank you so much!!
@@rahbeeuh Thank you so much! It was absolutely awful but I'm glad I'm out of there and I'm not looking back!! 😭 I'm hoping to work on myself for a little longer before getting back out there.
sending love & support to ya! I just quit my toxic job too and i feel so free. Hopefully we both find more wealth elsewhere
I thought the whole bit of “do you know what book I’m reading” was playing to the whole relationship struggles between the mom and dad. Like it was a passive aggressive way to call him out never paying attention to her.
To this day I will never understand how Sixth Sense is so good and pretty much every other M Knight film is SO bad.
You Kat Blaque and Amanda the Jedi are the three people I know who talked about this movie
Exactly
They would make the best collab ever
The Armchair Auteur (dunno if i spell it right) also had some interesting takes.
I think Swell Entertainment also made a good one about it. I’ve seen all four reviews, but not the movie 😅
@@pterodactylpancakes4282 same. And i never will watch it. I make my money so hard i will not waste it on M Night.
We sat here and waited until this was posted. You officially own our Saturdays.
It doesn't matter if you're a great actress/actor. If the director is bad, the movie is going to crash and burn. Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern is an example of that
saw the trailer on youtube and dragged my parents with me to watch it the first time, then i dragged my bestie with me to watch it the second time. i almost PEED myself from laughing throughout the whole movie and i lost my shit when he made his cameo.
and i left the theatre thinking of u and HOPING you’d be just as obsessed with it as i was and still am. what gets me is he’s so proud of the movie like he thinks he ATE.. this movie was my joker idc
Aaron Pierre is in the Underground Railroad and he’s an amazing, beautiful, BEAUTIFUL actor btw
Not Sh*malyn being a trigger warning taking me out 😭
My boyfriend wanted to surprise me and take me out on a date to the movie theater (we had never been on a date there before due to covid) and the film we picked was this, because there were mostly things we'd already seen, and we had a wonderful time making fun of this...thing
I scream laughed in the theater when I heard the skeleton baby bones rattle
This sentence alone made me laugh my butt off..I can only imagine seeing the actual scene in the cinema
Edit: there's something about " baby bones rattle" that sends me
lmfaooooo
I took a horror film course in college and we dedicated a bit of time to discussing the use of mental illness in horror and how tricky it is to navigate that.
Personally, I'm someone who has dealt with mental illness for the bulk of my life, and am far too familiar with the stigma that comes from that (especially when you are unwell to an extent that it cannot be hidden). However, I also can't deny that some of my favorite horrors and psychological thrillers revolve around mentally ill characters.
I feel that naming the illness is one thing that we should maybe push to avoid when it comes to portraying mentally ill characters in film. Directly tying behavior to a specific diagnosis is often unnecessary and is almost always used as a device to play off of the audiences own preconceived notions about certain "scary" mental illnesses. Doing so is exploitative and harmful.
I also feel that, perhaps more than anything, we need to focus more on putting more information out there about mental illness. Too many people go through life with their only experiences with certain conditions being through film, leaving them with completely false and extreme ideas about mental illness. There needs to be more good representation of mental illness out there so that when mental illness appears in horror, a person can already have the knowledge that this is not meant to be an accurate representation of mental illness.
I saw in an interview where M. Night actually could t get funding for this movie & had to pay for it himself 😂 he was saying it like it's a good thing, cause this way he could "take risks"
Oh child.
21:06 As a film makeup artist my girl, probably a big part of the people that worked in this film or in any bad movie are just there to work 😂😂 we people in the industry love filming that’s why we are there (? but we understand that not every project that we work in is going to be A masterpiece ✌🏽😂😂
Everyone gonna get their coin 😅 bills gonna keep coming...unfortunately
The surgeon apparently had dementia in the graphic novel I think I heard so I guess the misrepresentation of mental illnesses is just a Shyamalan thing.
It's the silence before the storm for me💀. That beginning had me dying for some reason. It just told me how bad this was going to be. M Knight Shymalan is..... a.... unique, yes unique man
My theory about Shyamalan is that he’s trolling us because everyone calls him out for making shitty movies.
I started writing a story based on a soap carving that I’m doing in my art class. It’s called Fredrick the roach and his revenge it’s about a roach named Fredrick who wants to get revenge on every single cave man because one killed his little brother named Jimmy jr.
I would read this
NOT THE “Shyamalan” TRIGGER WARNING LMFAOO KENNIE
'writing characters that act like autoparts' is so fucking apt, kennie!! That's the most inspirational shit I've heard in awhile.
Please do Flowers In the Attic. Lifetime movie based on book. Pleaseeeee.
All content is great! Thank you 😊
Yaaassss, that movie is something
Naw is that the incest movie ??????
If the movie is like the book, then yes it's an incest movie.
If she does that,she has to do the entire Dollenganger/Flowers In The Attic film series. Go hard or go home,I always say.
omg YES
Just wanted to put it out there that M. Night has been funding his own films for a while (Visit, Split, Glass and Old). Which is something that I respect since even though the movies haven't been good he is personally paying to create something he wants to create rather than just flushing investors' money down the toilet.
i appreciated the commentary on mental illness, i remember being greatly saddened and angry about the representation of mental illness in SPLIT, shayamalans last big movie i remember. he has a history of treating people with mental illness as violent stereotypes.
when i seen this at the movies… i literally wanted to decompose. it was so bad.
Same, worst movie i’ve ever seen, the only thing that kept me from leaving during the movie was the fear of disturbing other people
@@Cocolagaffe18 what's with the over exaggeration
Who are you trying to lie to
@@layton6202 why are you up in the comments getting pressed? Lmao
@@blcksvvan cuz they need to be pressed
This is not the first time Shyamalan has had crappy mental health representation in one of his films. Anyone remember the clusterfuck that was Split? God forbid he makes a film without demonizing people who struggle with mental illness
The only thing that really scared me was the bone snapping scene where her bones would keep healing too fast and she became a mangled mess ugh 🤢🤮
kennie: “i’m not making as much money as shamalan”
vid: *ad plays*
me: okay i’ll won’t skip, giving u that coin you deserve
Girl I am sooooo ready for this 😂 M. Night and his shenanigans back at it again with another banger 😭😭
coincidentally, i sometimes call him M Night Shenanigan
When i heard that this movie was based on a comic i went and read it and oh boy... the existencial dread is intense in that one, letf me catartic for a few days :x
Left you catartic ? What does that mean?
@@goldenglowable I think they mean catatonic, even though that looks like a misspelling of cathartic.
You should its not a Masterpiece but its way better. But it has a lot of Nudity
Can we talk about how he has a directing school that people can go learn to be directors
Well, good luck to the students
@@elisamozo3808 I fear for the future of movies tho it's been questionable at times but I'm concerned lol
As long as they aren't letting him teach.
Just do the opposite of what he does
I tried watching this film a couple of days ago. I got through the first 5 minutes then I had to stop. You didn't tell us it literally starts with 'witty' chitchat about being young, being old, appreciating the present, mostly delivered by the mom who has cancer, while on a vacation with her family while doing work-stuff on her phone(!!!). I couldn't even laugh, I was just stuck in a loop of what is going on?! 🤤
"Damn"
-Midsize Sedan
Kennie: *mentions a black women playing a therapist*
Me: I swear if they do a "Deadly Illusions" mess 😫
I've been noticing lately the ABUNDANCE of black female therapists on screen.
Horror movie "Swallow" - black female therapist, this movie - black female therapist, that Riverdale episode - black female therapist, My Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Mr. Robot, Bad Moms... I swear I could remember at least 5 more examples.
Now representation is great and all but I can't shake off the feeling that Hollywood just continues to perpetuate the "wise black woman" trope by making them play therapists.
@@please_im_a_staaar Agree. I'm always skeptical about representative because most of the time falls into a stereotypical trope. One of the examples you mentioned (Bad Moms), Wanda Sykes character was a combination of the wise women trope with comedic relief.
@@please_im_a_staaar I mean that's not a bad trope and there kinda isn't any film out there that doesn't play on some kind of trope. So I dont really get what u mean by this.
@@please_im_a_staaar and Joker, the 2019 one!!
See I loved dr akopian in crazy ex girlfriend.
I’m just constantly questioning m knights goal in his life cause I don’t think he’s that serious about movies.
You shouldn't question a millionaire's life
i found M Knights burner accts yall
@@kweenleo2265 LMFAO
@Oz You clicked on a video with the title bad movie, criticizing a film made by M Night, what did you expect the comments to look like exactly?
@Oz m night isn’t gonna thank u bro 😭
As someone with mental illness, Id rather just take a beating than actually fight someone. Let alone actually hurt someone. And I have a feeling anyone with schizophrenia watching that movie hate the portrail of their mental illness
I REALLY wish I knew the name of the movie I found while channel surfing many years ago... The main character was schizophrenic and, while having to walk a good distance on crowded streets, couldn't stop the tics or talking to himself and all he could do was talk to himself about how everyone was staring. That was true horror: knowing exactly how other people are judging you but being unable to control your own body and feeling so exposed. The camera focused on him the whole time, and the background folks gawking at him we're just sort of blurry. It was a much better way to show the reality of mental illness and how it affects the patient themselves.
If anyone can tell me the movie's title, I will bake you cookies.
I'm legitimately wondering if M. Night is an alien using movies to try to understand humanity or a failed form of mass mind control on a path of world domination. He makes me lean sideways in an attempt to see the cut off parts of a scene. He makes me lean back to avoid the zoom in faces being so huge. He did the same inconsistent framing he user in avatar when two characters share dialog. I actually began wondering if he's using it to hide continuity errors because it would be a reason better than the most likely "he thought it looked cool". Who would let him touch adaptations after Avatar? When will they learn! But I do like the random thoughts I get trying to figure out why he shot that like this, or why did I understand but not understand the human speech I just heard. The man is something. If he had less of an ego he would've been great…good-ish.
Thank you for bringing up the overrepresentation of mental health in horror/thrillers. It's used as the "why" for monstrous actions way too often! Dammit Old why'd you ruin the camp with that.